CANTER VS UNIMOG
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- Опубліковано 30 січ 2022
- Not that much of a VS thing but the trucks doing their thing out in the bush, we couldn't find a good challenging trail but we bumped into some decent obstacles min 08:00, 12:00 and 16:55
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MITSUBISHI CANTER 2007 FG649
- In line 4cy 3.9l factory turbo and intercooled
- 5T as in the video, 6TGVM
- 40x13.5 inch GLADIATOR MT tyres17 inch rim
- 4’ lift SSA leafs, powerdon shocks
- 310mm clearance rear diff being the lowest
- Harrop front diff elocker
- Rear LSD diff (factory)
- 17.000lb sherpa winch
- Custom 3 inch exhaust, 4 inch intake pipe
- 5 speed manual hi and low range
- Fuel economy 19lph
- Range 1000ks ish
- Comfortable cruise speed 100kph
- Wheel base 3300mm
- H 2770mm
- W 2100mm
- L 6200mm
MERCEDES UNIMOG 1985 U1700L Ex ADF
- In line 6cy 5.7l factory turbo
- 6.5T as in the video, 12TGVM
- 335/85R20 (42.5’) Good Year ATs
- Factory coil springs all around
- 470mm clearance
- Factory portal axles
- Factory front, center and rear diff locks
- 25.000lb sherpa winch
- factory 3 inch exhaust, custom 4 inch intake
- 8 speed manual
- Fuel economy 22lph
- Range 1000ks ish
- Comfortable cruise speed 80kph
- Wheel base 3850mm
- H 2740mm
- W 2400mm
- L 6800mm
January 2022
Watagans State Forest
So we learn that a Unimog handicapped by poor tyres, excessive pressures and a very mild driving style still seems to achieve everything thrown at it.
not to forget....without any load, not even an empty cabin ;-)
Lol….
@@metastaticmince2386 and the driver seemed hesitant.
No lo hace mal el canter. Per tiene nada que hacer con el unimog a pesar de lo mal de llantas que esta y lo mal conducido.
Там грунт сухой,сложностей нет
Change the Omnibogs on the Unimog over to some half decent tyres and deflate them a little, and you’ll have a very different result
I agree with you....this video was obviously made to 'up' the Canter, In truth had you put some real tyres on either of them the results would have been entirely different. Michelin XM47s on a Unimog absolutely transform its capabilities, I'm sure they would do the same to the Canter, but the Unimog would still come out on top. I have owned a U1300L for some 13 or so years and it came to me with brand new Michelin XZL (the ones beloved of the military and overlanders - a farmer wouldn't even consider them). They were OK on Salisbury plain in UK (tank training area) and it would go where a challenger tank would go.......But then I moved to Eastern Poland, where the soil is a poor mix of sand and clay and those tyres just sat and spun.....I changed to a set of new Michelin Loader tyres, good deep chevrons (not really rated for speed - but happy at 45 MPH) and the transformation was unbelievable. They are still good after 10 years in Poland and sit in the barn waiting to be used or sold on.....(I recently went up a couple of sizes to 14.00 Mitas semi chevrons which are equally as good but with the extra ground clearance).
What about Hino truck 4x4 72000 usd here in Laos
@@Pinzpilot101Good points, I had XZL 395/85 R20 on previous Mog and tyre of choice on current one, but trying 14R20, fractionally taller and narrower. No significant opinions so far beyond excellent in snow, sand and river crossings.
I have owned both vehicles in full motorhome format and whilst the Canter which I currently is absolutely plenty capable for most situations the 1300 Unimog would run rings around it! As stated by several viewers tyre choice on the Unimog is very poor. The only reason I changed over to the Canter was changing tyres and maintenance on my own was getting too heavy for someone in their late 60,s. We travelled around 115,000 klm in the Mog and so far around 50,000 in the Canter
I agree. I own a Mog (U1700L) with a removable camper on the back. Its a weapon and providing I dont encounter bottomless mud or narrow tracks that wind between trees, its unbeatable EVERYWHERE (maybe not so much on the road)... I'm now 55 but I figure I'm keeping the Mog for many more years to come.
The UniMog is a much more stable platform even watching what was being done here I saw at least twice where the Canter almost flopped on its side.
Hi Robert , how do they compare as far as top speed goes , fuel consumption , maintenance cost , 2nd hand cost .? I do like Unimog's but the Canter did very well seeing its diffs are much closer to the ground . which can take a bigger home on the back or which one is easier to set up as a Earth truck ? I see the military auctions are coming up or is there a better place to look for a truck ? Thanks
Do you find the canter a better truck in normal highway driving ? I thought the mog was to industrious in that space. With a slightly wider track and some taller gearing on the canter it might be a bit closer
I really want a mog camper but having monocular vision makes it hard for me to get a heavy truck license in my country. Looks like I will need to settle for the canter or maybe Isuzu. Is there many place’s in Australia that do the upgrades? Iv only see AAV but not sure if I should just buy all the upgrades and do the work over here in New Zealand.
though to be fair the tile should say “highly modified Canter vs stock Unimog”
versus 22 year old unimog! Lol
Would be great to see again but with unimog having off road tyres on it. 🤙
Shows you how much of a difference a decent driver and decent tyres can make. Canter is a bloody tough rig, but a MOG should easily outdrive it!
Great video guys.. thank you. I read all the comments and differences in driver experience plus tyres and mods on the canter are all valid. An important point that hasn't been covered so far:
The Unimog is designed from the outset as an off road vehicle with some on road capabilities. The Canter is designed as an on road vehicle with some off road capabilities. Both great trucks.
Lots of unimog owners modify their vehicle for better on road capabilities, while Canter owners modify their trucks for better off road capabilities.
Ultimately as long as your happy with what your truck does, who cares what anyone else thinks. For off road capabilities and load carrying.. there's no argument..the unimog design is by far the better vehicle.
Ive never seen a Canter used extensively for off road use by any military around the world. I've also never seen a Canter entered into European truck trials or rallys.
You pretty much got it spot on, can't argue with any of that, glad you enjoyed the video, thanks 👍🏻
canter was designed as a cheap civilian truck that can do what an expensive mog can do. mog should be compared with a similarly priced mil-spec toyota type 73 medium truck.
A fire station (Brisbane, Australia) has one of each in their stable.
The Canter is a single cab, and the difference in size is massive. It doesn’t matter how well designed a mog is if it’s doesn’t fit where you want to take it.
@@ian9toes the hill climb at 950 was let down by too much pressure in the tyres. Those tyres are designed for load not off road. 12 ton compared to canter 5 ish ton.
@@4wtruckingaus654 is there anyone manufacturing portal axles for the Canter yet?
I’m surprised at how well the canter was, the mog should have had less pressure in the tyres. Also surprised at the line the mog driver took some times.
I can’t believe this has popped up on my feed after a year.
Incredibly capable vehicles both, but pale into insignificant to the agile, sure footed, 2 leg-drive photographers - running backwards up a slope what's more. Bloody brilliant coverage.
Great video, though to be fair the tile should say “highly modified Canter vs stock Unimog”
My point as well.
How is it highly modified canter? It just got aftermarket tyres.
@@johnsmithschannel999 and suspension and diff locks and underbody protection, to name just a few. Just check out your off the shelf Canter...
@Tudor Tanase I'm a Daimler mechanic, we work on Benz, freightliner and Fuso. So that fuso doesn't look highly modified.
Technically both have diff locks and 37's one is coils and one is leaves, I think it's fair
The Canter is better prepared (tires & pressure) and better driver.
Both very capable machines.
Nature's playground explored with offroading passion. This video is a visual feast of untamed joy.
i'd pick canter, because here (indonesia) the parts for canter is very abundant and insanely cheap, unimog is very capable indeed... but something broke down i have to import it from germany while canter engine is literally the same as commercial light truck which is proven to be very reliable, also roadside repair shop could handle the engine...
if i had the money (and live in europe) though, ill pick unimog
Now put the street tread on the Canter, and do it again. No airing down either!
Awesome... I have driven Unimogs with NZ Army and our local council use Canter 4WD....4x4xfar!... thanks from across the ditch 👍🇳🇿
Fantastic video! Love the trucks! Fido is a dream truck!
Swapp tyres and drivers and the outcome would be totally different . That said I"m still impressed by the Canter.
during my service i have seen Unimogs doing things that you could normally only do with tank/tracked vehicle. of course with more experienced off road drivers and propper tyre/pressure+load.
nevertheless the Canter is impressive and i assume that to show off was the intend of the video...despite that i would anytime decide for the Unimog if i was young, rich and in the market for uncompromising durable and capable expedition vehicle - in all other cases i would go for the Canter. hahahahahahahah love those mogs especially the older 404
20 seconds in and I already know how this is going to go since the Unimog has the factory omnitracs on... this will just come down to the Unimog being let down by the tyres as it is factory portaled with better clearance and is twin locked so technically a far better performing vehicle
Not factory fitted, the ADF just went for the cheap option... unfortunately! Factory fitment is Michellins im pretty sure $$$$
10 seconds in I knew the Mog was on the back foot with the stock ADF tyres. They are literally as useless as tits on a bull. 🤣
Tyre pressure on the unimog to high.
Excellent Video thanks. I know the Bistaremissing is more modified but I think Id rather it as you can derate them so they not a heavy vehicle, no weight stations and other crap. Maybe cheaper rego to. Smaller footprint and its great that I potenially could have my caravan on the tray and still mad 4b ! Wow amazing capability
A trick for the unimog driver: stand on the pedal - don´t stop and go - thats wrong
Set the hand throttle and let it climb!!
If you get the hang of these rigs there is no going back to smaller popular 4wds😎
Love you Mitsubishi for all the sweet things & memories🧡💗
Cool video, thank you!
Your Canter is a weapon and you sure know how to wheel it 👌🏼
the air prressure in the wheels of canter is much lower as the unmogs wheel - so different no equal test
No, that's no a comparison at all. Stock-Mog with highly modified Canter? Why.? Just put decent tires on the mog, keep the air pressure very low and there will be no probs at all for the Merc. I made almost 50.000 km on Mogs. Most of them in Africa. Letting alone tracked vehicle (BV206 or alike) there is no better off-road vehicle than the Unimog. Pinzgauer 6x6 comes close but has not enough power. And something else is very important: you have to learn to drive an Unimog. It's a special kind of driving school.
love it!
Fun video! Never heard of Canter before. Looks quite capable. The mog is 22 years older but actually liked more stable.
That'd be because the Mog has no load and the Canter seems to be carrying a fair bit.
@@steely1neverwane The Mog would have been MORE stable with a ton or 3 on the back. They are setup from stock to carry 5T. So no load means they dont get to flex like they are designed to.
It’s called a Mitsubishi Fuso Canter overseas. In Australia we generally drop the Fuso for the lighter truck range.
Great video !
Both vehicles are outstanding.
Would of been good to see some weight in the back of the unimog .
I love both vehicles , well done to all 😎👍
I like both, but I’m not going into the nasty with the canter unless I 100% know the transfer box belly plate is good for a huge rock slap :o)
Another great video delivered!! Love both trucks! Wouldn't trade my canter. Particularly when it comes to the highway on the way home.
Didnt know about the canter till today. Have a big love for Unimogs… does the canter need less fuel than the unimog?
@@deepwaterattracted709 I am really just familiar with the canter. It is significanty lighter than the Unimog so I would think so. Our camper is 10k Lbs and we consistently get 13.1 mpg.
@@deepwaterattracted709 Canter fuel usage: 19L/100. Unimog Fuel usage 22L/100. Per the notes from the OP above.
Mogs are NOT the greatest on the road. So yeah... Sitting on 80-90kph sucks. If you do mod things to travel at 110-120kph you have to watch the portal temps. They overheat after a few hours at them speeds (in Australian summer). But in the bush!!! All you fear is really tight windy tracks that fiddle through larger trees and oh yeah, bottomless mud.
The Mog was screwed up on purpose. Not only because of the tires and the pressure but also how it was driven.
The Canter might be capable but it will get stuck where a Mog still goes through.
wow amazing machine that cantor and hats off to operator
It appears that you haven’t reduced the unimog tyre pressure for off road driving
More of this please! Great video showcasing capabilites of the Canter! Isuzu, Canter, or Hino.....hmmm?
Well you were both lucky to do it before the big rain!
Not wrong!
a) would be interesting watching the unimog on similar tracks with much more weight rather than empty.
b) I wonder how both trucks handle mud, hills that require some wheel speed to eject mud and maintain momentum.
You can not beat a Unimog, no matter how many poorly videoed examples you can muster. But you have to have the right driver behind the wheel.
Rubbish, I beat Unimogs all the time.
Unimogs have lack of wheel speed and momentum working against them.
The mogs gearing is an advantage and a disadvantage.
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don't have my Canter yet
2023 Feb
Oklahoma US
but am pleased with my choice
Considered izusu 4 dr
but leaning towards other
Mitsubishi vehicles
read the comments
tires on the mog
didn't represent well
Thank you
excellent side by side
situational comparison
Well Done
Be Well
...
Needs more over priced 79 series to tag along for LOL's. It is always good seeing that Canter working, certainly my capable than mine.
Really nice front suspension movement on your canter, plenty of flex available with whatever you did to the front leaf springs. Good comparison. Cheers
Thanks mate 👍🏻
@@4wtruckingaus654 hey mate, great vid..
Keep em coming please..
Can you link me to the air box please?
I would love to put one on mine
Actually, it was a poor comparison.
Your Canter was modified with partially deflated off-road tires and clearly setup for that weight and driven by someone who had some idea of how to drive (you?).
The Unimog was bog stock with road pressure road tires. The person driving it (no offence intended) clearly has not driven off-road much.
The much harder thing to adjust for is the different weight class's. Payload difference of 1T vs 5.5T. But even with all the inequalities, it still managed to do OK.
You guys get the best off-roaders....
Now that is magic......they managed to make up a timid 12 year old girl to look like a bloke in his 30's and then they gave her a little training on how to drive a Unimog!
Apart from the tyres, diff lock and suspension, any other mods on the Canter?
It also has a 3' exhaust, 4' intake and bigger intercooler
like they said. Prep the unimog the same as the canter, it'd be a different story. The canter does well for something not really built as an off-road truck in the first place, but it lacks clearance and axle articulation compared to the unimog.
Two funny things ... both trucks are from the same "group manufacturer", Daimler !! .... 4x4 Mitsubishi Fuso Canter and Unimog are different brands from the same boss (Mitsubishi Fuso Trucks is a company only 10% related with Group Mitsubishi, was sold to Daimler, also owner of Mercedes / Unimog) !! Another funny thing is that maybe with the price of a new unprepared Unimog you could buy 2 or 3 serial new prepared Canters 4x4 like the ones on the video (e.g. AUD +- 225K Unimog vs 75K AAV4x4 Canter )!! Are they comparable? No, the Unimog in a Serial Enginered Heavy Duty Vehicle, so is Heavy duty / Off road from conception, the Canter is Serial Consumer / Construction 4x4 Vehiche that can be acessorized to for Heavier Off road ... the Unimog is a professional vehicle, the Canter is Leasure Vehicle, even if both Offroad.
lovin the mitsu canter
Great video. What Tyre pressure do you run on the canter. How often do you have four wheel drivers tell you that you won't get a truck up there or through some track?
I find 18psi a sweet spot for beach, mud, and rocksteps. Funny, its usually the opposite most people look at it and think it would go up anything and get very disappointed if I don't 😅
2 great trucks good comparison I just got a bit worried with the canter tray looked like it was going to fold the mounts sideways bit to much movement but i don't know if it was designed like that seemed a bit accesive nice truck iv owned a canter never owned a Mog good video
Cmon you lot. The canter maybe modified by definition, but the mog is pretty hardcore from factory. That canter was fantastic and great to see som thing different. I feel he was also a bit better behind the wheel with no disrespect to mr mog
so cool
nice video
Mog needs some tyre's
I never seen a Unimog with 1 and half cab. That was sick.
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Wooww it's like snow runner game in real life.
😀
Knowing how to cut the lines of travel is inpotrtant on this stuff as weather you gut stuck or keep going , both are good trucks but a pinz is best fr off roading👍
キャンターってこんなところ走れるのか、、、知らなかった。
高度なカスタムがされているようですね。どちらのトラックも格好いいです。
キャンターは日本では2ｔかな？トラックとして活躍しています。
Hi, liked your video.
I’m interested to know about the extra cab on the mig. We are looking at purchasing a mig, and that would be a great mod for us.
Видео Хорошее!!! Но машины разные- колеса, моторы, даже подвеска разная. Мерину как то больше доверяю! У самого 609 есть. Машина вечная , только следить нужно. Мне конструкция мостов в unimog понравилась, даже не видел такой.
Not a fair comparison, the unimogs tyres are almost road only tyres, not 4x4 tyres. And they where very worn, not alot of tread left.
Mantap
Hey 4wtrucking Aus, check out 13:19 it looks like the two rails under the box are about to separate from the box because of lateral racking. The C channels are trying to lay down as the weight of the box pushes side to side, can see them separating from the box floor structure in a way that doesn't look good 😳
I just sold my unimog, it was great fun and I was sad to see it go, but honestly the biggest reason I sold it is that it was soo rough, as in you have to go 1/4 the speed of everyone else on the trails and dirt roads and even then it literally jolts and shakes everything about so violently that its honestly just useless. I found I actually never wanted to go out camping and 4x4ing anymore due to the effort of just taking it somewhere was so laborious. I cannot describe how rough it is when it comes to literally any small bump in the road, regardless of pressures - they are just a rough truck.
Also going anywhere, some of my favourite places around where I live that are generally within 2-2.5 hours to get there, became 5 hours to get there. And that time is not because of me babying it on the highway, I'd sit it around 90-95km/h basically flat chat all day. It's the time wasted doing 7-10km/h on the dirt roads when all the other 4x4's around are doing 40km/h and just soaking up the bumps with ease, meanwhile my entire setup was just getting shaken apart. The actual reality is, if you genuinely have 500,000-750,000 dollars to INVEST in one (preferably a new one) and do all the upgrades required and put the proper fibreglass/ss (not ali/timber) camper on the back, then I am sure it would've been great (but still think significantly slower off road), but we talking the proice of a house there.
Check out the Australian made Oka, it’s extremely capable.
Both trucks I'd very happy with. The Uni has better gearing but the Canter had much better tires.
Have you towed a 6m boat or caravan with the Canter?
Does it have plenty of power to do this..
The drivers the biggest variance and the tire difference
Great vid and see the differences of the 2 trucks. Im surprised that the Unimog needed so much brake use; I wouldve thought the low range gearing would be so super low that walking would be faster. Also, was there a reason he didnt air down?
He did air down a fair bit but for what he said the walls are very thick on them tyres and bearly bag out, he reckons he will upgrade to grippier 46s soon
Good question why he wasn't down pressure Tyrese.
Those wheels are also not good at retaining tire beads at low pressure. Highway tires are not meant for airing down.
He couldn't have aired down much. Yes, they need to loose a lot of pressure to bag, but mine come with the same ties and they DID bag when I let them down on the beach. Just dont try corner fast!
But let your mate know that the BIGGEST improvement to his truck will be Tires. 46" is a good size for a Mog. Next biggest thing will be get some experience and confidence behind the wheel and learn to commit to lines when taking them. Only experience will help there.
He didn't need to braking as much as he did. The gears are low enough to do the job. The extra breaking was just inexperience (IMHO).
Put someone into the unimog who can drive it
I like the underdog
Prefer the one with the drivers seat behind the front wheels. Other than that they both got to camp job done what else did we expect? Ps what do ex adf instructors drive on the weekends or travels.... same same utility sectors? Enjoy.
Awesome what stock army road tires + mog can handle.
Goodd
Hallo,
dafür, dass der Unimog einen schlechten Fahrer und die falschen Räder drauf hat, kommt er erstaunlich weit...
Ich fahre seit 1995 Unimog und dieses Gelände ist bestimmt keine Herausforderung...
Da ist der Canter viel besser vorbereitet, richtige Reifen mit dem entsprechenden Luftdruck und der Kerl kennt sein Fahrzeug...
Trotzdem cooles Video.
Gruß Heiko aus dem Siegerland
1st time I've seen an ADF Mog with a cab behind the driver
First thing I noticed was the Unimogs tyres - change them.
El aprendiz contra el maestro
As cool as a portal mog is I don't think I'd own 1 over a canter it's not the capability difference it's the limited access to parts and cost of service. I'm happy enough with my l400 Delica, but think tricked up canters are great.
agree. I have a deli s! lwb high roof. but Im stuggling to be able to live in fulltime. thinking of canter now.
I had 2 l400 delicas. Diesel then the v6. We now live full time in a u1700l unimog house truck. The delicas were great but definitely toys compared.
Unimog just needs one tone of weight at the back .
are the tyres on the canter legal for maximum vehicle weight?
Yeah 131Q plenty for a 6t truck
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I'd pick the Canter before the Unimog
Modified canter vs stock mog isnt much of a comparison. Mog wins
Change the unimog driver and see the difference
Unimog driver doesn't appear to have much off road driving experience.
@4wtrucking Aus hey mate, great vid..
Keep em coming please..
Can you link me to the air box please?
I would love to put one on mine
Hi mate, thanks. I made the airbox myself, I made about 8 of them but sold them all, might make a few more in the future
@@4wtruckingaus654 I'm S.E vic.
I'll buy one please
Wieviel Platz hat man eigentlich als Fahrer im Canter? Ernste Frage; bin 1,93m bei 110 kg
Hi, just to ask for opinion... between canter and isuzu nps... which one better?
I think the Canter might be better off road since the isuzu has a very rigid chassis and very little flex, just my opinion 👍🏻
@@4wtruckingaus654 does any companies make diff locker for this kind of trucks? Sorry I'm not live in Aussie...
@@zefrimohd2619 harrop eaton makes a front ealocker for this truck, I have it fitted. You can buy it from AAV (australian adventure vehicles), they ship internationally
@@4wtruckingaus654 thanks mate...
Is the Cantor 4x4 from factory? The unimog had not weight on it. The cantor has a box 5000 lbs
Yes the Canter is factory 4wd.
@@newlife8318 Yeah, close enough.
The difference is that the Unimog can do what it does carrying the Canter in it's bed and still come in under gvwr.
I see all these vehicles on a regular basis, I think they come from the north down the Tonkin to Albany hwy then shoot up Armadale rd to freeway south.
Should’ve provided equally same tyres to both vehicles
Yep not bad brad
Have to come next time mate
it's hard to beat factory portal axles and dual lockers
Ternyata mobil canter ada juga di Australia. Kami dari Indonesia
.... and me in a $400 unmodified 998cc Suzuki 410 (with deflated tyres at least) completing all the above (but 13:00 may have required a different line due to the tiny length)..
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hi, can you tell me the average consumption of canter 4x4 on mix highway/roads/4x4?
19lph in average at 5 or 5.5T, that's including a bit of 4wdriving as well
@@4wtruckingaus654 did you mean 19 lpg?
@@4wtruckingaus654 or did you mean mpg?
@@edwardpeter2652 na that's liters per hundred, pretty sure it equals 12mpg ish 👍🏻
@@newlife8318 unloaded just like in the video 22lph, but can go up to 30 depending on how heavy is the set up you put on it
Let's see the price tag comparison.
From Pickles Auction, 1985 Mog (37 yo) probably about $20K-$30K depending on condition and accessories it was sold with. Current value sold privately, about $35K-$40K.
Private sale, 2007 Canter (15 yo) probably about $40K-$50K plus Camper and mods.