Understanding ADHD in Autistic Adults
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Hi! I'm Orion Kelly and I'm Autistic. On this video I explore the topic of ADHD in Autistic people. Plus, I share my personal lived experiences as an #actuallyautistic person. #orionkelly #autism #asd #autismsigns #whatautismfeelslike
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"When ADHD exists with autism, the presentation can be very...unique".
LMAO... truer words have never been spoken. 😆
My grandma says I'm a good egg but an odd bird.
Oooo my grandparents used to call me a good egg too! Or bad egg... depending on how I acted 😂 I've never heard anyone else use this phrase before. That's awesome
Aww, I love that!
You have a cute grandma 😊
@@ANinjasMom I have the most awesome grandma ever. She's currently 94, I absolutely adore her, she's always been my advocate. ^__^
Me trying desperately to listen to what you are saying but having to rewatch this because I can't focus
@@bert8616 Try x2. Helps me.
✋I watch my favorite podcast twice every week. It's a feature!
Sometimes my ADHD and Autism cancel each other out.
In other ways they seem to multiply each other.
Such fun!🥴
Exactly.
It’s all gravy till I get over stimulated in my ASD but still craving stimulation for my ADHD. Or the need to have no routine to keep my ADHD happy while really, really needing a healthy routine to keep my ASD happy. 😅
ADHD x ASD = A ² HD ³
Autism Hyperactivity Disorder /to the power of three/
(this is a joke)
I thought my child was "typical," but started to suspect when he started voicing concerns about his own anxiety. Even after his AuADHD diagnosis, i didnt believe it, because everything they said was a symptom I thought was a normal part of the human condition that everyone struggled with. I mean it's only been a few days now, but I'm realizing that my son isn't the only one with AuADHD.
I have gotten into alot of arguments mimicing accents. People get offended. I try to explain it, it's because i like it. They think I'm covering for myself.
It sucks when it happens
@@Synical777this made me think of doing the same thing and, I think it's also about that I might be recounting the phrase or information as I heard it, so if I heard it originally with an accent I feel like I need to replicate the accent when I'm repeating that same information or phrase.
I probably have no awareness of doing this at that moment but in reflection it makes sense.
That’s why I only do certain echolalia around my partner, like when I say “mothafucka” like Samuel L. Jackson because I love his voice, not because I’m trying to make fun of anybody
Oh really? I have only ever received complements and curiosity when I do it. Or, the one time I showed up at Ireland Customs on holiday, the agents asked if I was an actor. No one has ever taken offense to it. I have fun with it and enjoy it. Have specific shows and clips I can use to get back into an accent if needed. Maybe because I only mimic UK and other European accents, and we are all cool with that around here?
If I'm quoting someone I can't not do their accent if they have an interesting voice to my ears, if I don't, it feels like I'm just saying dead words with no life in it
I feel like my autism drives the bus but someone gave the map to the ADHD😂
This was an excellent one for me. I'm actually hyper-aware of some social cues since I've built it up over decades of mistakes. Im fairly literaI and it took time to realize that I rarely understand the true meaning of song lyrics, that there was subtext. I have some blind spots that add to anxiety. I often don't get a social clue for up to days afterward, and I have that terrible moment of realization. Otherwise, that's me. Thank you for the video! It helps a lot.
When you said, "to which you reply, I LOATHE YOU. I'VE TOLD YOU 700 TIMES." I busted up laughing so hard. 😂 Yes, that's accurate.
Thank you Orion. Also the edits are very funny 🤣 does anyone else just sometimes stop and get almost paralysed and have to really try to snap themselves out of it?
"Inappropriate is my middle name" t-shirt when?
ETA: the last part of the video was really helpful to me understanding some stuff I've never understood about myself. I have disorganized organization, I think I've applied pattern recognition to how people act so I can understand them better (comes in handy being an author too), and I can hyperfocus through writing a book for weeks and spend the next month rattling around the house wondering if I broke my brain. Thank you for the clarity!
I've been nicknamed a piler. It's apt. I have very specifically organized piles all over the place. The problem is when they become so unbalanced that they fall over or if I have to clean a surface. They're now dead to me.
If you call us, your viewers, "your stars of Orion" because we are the stars that make you a constellation as in "I could not be here on youtube without you" I have to say : thank you for the pretty image and value you give us :)
TY so much for this. Putting into words every struggle I/ we AuDHD'ers face! AuDHD is almost its own thing imo - we don't quite "click" with the ADHD'ers or the ASD'ers - but feel deep empathy and some connection/validation with both, whilst feeling different at the same time. This can also feed into/trigger Imposter Syndrome even with official dx's of both! (and ofc self-dx is 100% valid for those that choose/ are compelled by circumstances/ other to do so). The monotropic theory does seem explain a lot of this - again, only imho - through the idea of lantern vs torch analogy - and AuDHD'ers get a "double dose" of this intense focus/adherence to interest/pattern matching and sorting. Possibly also why so many of us late-dx'd have both ASD and ADHD (again in my experience only - not scientific ofc, yet) - in that the conditions have a way of masking each other - allowing us to pass/mask as NT's/ allistics, whilst being "just" as ADHD/ASD as those with only a single presentation or different comorbidity and facing similar struggles/need for supports. Just a thought - I am only an expert on my presentation - all others are just as/ more valid.
Really great info. I'm still learning a lot about my AuDHD (the Au part only officially confirmed in April)...
Love what you talked about
Only one small correction. ADHD people ARE also neurodivergent and not neurotypical. The word you were looking for is allistic (non-autistic)
Great video mate! Another very ADHD trait is overcompensation via perfectionism and rigid maintenance of routine as evidenced by the overcompensating AuDHD guy right here... 😂 I may have also got distracted by reading the comments while "watching" the video.
I have to talk to my primary doctor tomorrow to see how I go about being evaluated for having both I've been diagnosed with ADHD since I was a kid but it never thought that all the other stuff was associated with autism I just thought I was a little bit more weird than most people come to find out watching your videos and others online has made me come to the conclusion that I need to pursue some kind of validation for myself I just wish I would have figured it out around 30 some years ago .. things makes so much more sense now I just don't know where to go from here LOL I appreciate your videos
Good luck. My son was just diagnosed, and now I'm talking to my wife about helping me get over my social anxiety to get the diagnosis and begin the process. If you can do it, I can do it.
Love you Orion! Thank you for being my perhaps first (and certainly one of the very best) autistic role models.
When you did the air quotes for 'inappropriate', I nearly spat out my coke. I _hate_ that word - the people who say it tend to be real pieces.... of work.... lol
It's right up there with "it is what it is".
I was diagnosed with Autism, but nowadays, im also suspecting that I have ADHD as well, but more on the inattentive side rather than the hyperactive side of it.
I fit soo many of the criteria for ADHD. I was forgetful in my childhood years, also tend to have an issue with being late to things, struggled to pay attention in class when I was a student in school, and was seen as lazy and very disorganized.
I've tooken a bunch of tests online and have scored high for ADHD, and even reading back old evaluations from school days years ago, I found when moving houses, that a lot of my teachers said that I was a good student, but I struggled to pay attention, and was very inattentive in class.
With ADHD I feel like the inattentive side of ADHD is overlooked, because it doesn't follow stereotypical hyperactive ADHD traits.
Very good video Orion.
My experience was the opposite. Got diagnosed with inattentive adhd and now I suspect I' autistic as well.
Thank you Orion for your informative podcasts. I feel sorry that some commenters take extremist views about what 'qualifies' as Autism or ADHD or any other 'invisible' condition, presuming to judge us for not being 'disabled enough' or 'suffering enough' to speak on a topic by their standards.
It is sad that others suffer much more greatly than others but suffering cannot be measured from without. Nobody has a monopoly on it.
Keep doing your great work because you provide valuable information and validation and are saving lives doing this important work.
"hail, thunder, lightning" ... very very frightening
:)
Thank you for the video mate, i feel like you communicated the aspects and differentiations pretty clearly.
AUTISM FEELS!! Well it feels better if you have self education and understand it all better. Reading your book and watching your entertaining UA-cams certainly will help in that regard. ADHD is a potential super power, it all depends. Andre
I had never felt so called out by a video.
Beautiful shirt Orion, love it 😊
Oof. I dunno if it was just me, but, yeah... this was so information dense, and moved so fast, that I kept backtracking after nearly every sentence or two as I thought back through my history and double checked all the boxes... or at least the parts that apply to my unique AuHDH self. I can tell this is going to be an ADHD heavy day... at any rate. xD
Wow... thank you for sharing this! 😮 I recognise even some parts myself aswell as my friend of what you explane in this video! Which puts my to a whole new level 🙏🏻❤️
Thank you Orion, great video❤
Finally..... LoL I have an actual name for my weirdness and challenges. And I can honestly say that I am very happy about it! Most days...... I still have a lot of stuff to work on. Question, echollia and pallolalli, are they both used by the same person? I ask because I use them both and I don't know if you have ever discussed that possibility...... everything else is spot on! I very much appreciate the way you explain what it's actually like to be AuDHD .....it has helped me out tremendously! So thanks again for another very valid video 😊
There's certain combinations of conditions that didn't used to be diagnosable because it was assumed they couldn't exist. OCD+ADHD is a pretty common one. I don't know that anybody really knows why, although selective breeding probably plays a role as the traits can balance each other out. Similarly, there is a lot of people that have ADHD and ASD, but I'm not sure there's really the same level of benefit from it.
Great topic Orion! This sounds somewhat like me! Thank you for being this up!
5:40 because of my adhd trait of my chronic lateness when I used to be in high school, instead of the teachers being understanding they instead punished me with double Friday détentions, having to clean up the school grounds after school, thinking it would fix everything. It was so humiliating for me. it was that moment where i felt inferior. no matter how hard i try to be early, I just can't it's something i can't control
You're the best, Orion. Thank you for your work; i look forward to reading your book
Nailed it! Feeling this one on a spiritual level 😆🎉
This is a wonderful video. Thank you sir, Andre
shared to Facebook.
Yupp. Ya got me. Lol . Thank you Orion, a marvelous romp through my life insufficiencies, (and yet still undiagnosed). Lols, must LOLs.
Fab video, thanks! Next time can you please discuss the impact of medicating ADHD on AuDHDers? While it addresses the lack of focus and motivation, reducing ADHD symptoms severely impacts the Autistic side...
You tagged me on every point of ADHD. I had to self train out of or rather reduce the worst of the traits.
Thank you Orion! Good video!
Those ADHD symptoms sound so mundane. I’m not just impulsive, I’m sometimes violently impulsive and procrastination feels like I’m physically incapable of doing the thing I need to do.
So weird how so much can disappear under the veil of clinical language.
Hey friend 👋 haven’t seen you around in a while. Was wondering if you were going through some burnout. Sorry if you were. But you kept putting out content, that’s monumental even on a regular day. So glad to see you again. Hope you’re doing ok/better.
Great video! AuDHD here.
My hyperfocus is the thing that saves me all the time. Because of my hyperfocus I was able to have a masters degree in fields I am interested the most (before that I didn't have a school degree for years).
Because of my hyperfocus I learned the skills for being a freelancer. I learned marketing, SEO, copywriting for web and webdesign in very little time.
Plus I had to, because I have many health problems so I have to work only at home.
Because I am autistic I have no problems with being orderly and organized.
And yeah, I am unique.😂
I really like your shirt! Great video! 👏💞
Super helpful. Thank you!
Yup I need to save this vid and come back to make notes because you're describing like 99% of me here , I wish I had more than one post assessment chat with a Doctor I don't wanna bore my friends to death with this but I need to process all this out loud somehow!
I don't remember a word you said, but I love your shirt @orion 👌🏻
As AUDHD ❤ this is all spot on more or less 😂 used to think I have two demons that are totally different .. now I know I'm just audhd.
Orion I really enjoy your videos. But at 9:10 you say that ADHD appears differently in autistic people compared to how it appears in neurotypical people. The problem is that neurotypical people can't be ADHD, ADHD is a neurodivergence in itself. So it would be better to say in allistic people, because neurotipical isn't the opposite only of autistic
THANK YOU!!! was so ridiculously distracted & frustrated by that struggled to pay attention after 😬 oh well, at least i already know i'm auDHD, lol
@@r_and_a no problem 👍🤣
😲 this is soooo accurate!!!! 😁👏🏼
"People love talking to me." Ha, heh, hmm. :: looks around awkwardly feeling called out::
I hate that I massively identify with these traits, but the psychiatrist I'm seeing "just can't see ADHD being a possibility". She really didn't listen to me, and kept explaining things away.
"Smart people procrastinate school work because they know they can do it"
"Tapping your leg constantly is just anxiety"
"You're just experiencing bias due to family members with their diagnosed conditions"
And more 🙃
The amount of F bombs I dropped every time you listed something that was literally me was insane lol
I thought I missed a video on this topic but apparently it was just released! :D
You just described about 95% of what makes up me. Except for a couple things on your list, I do almost every trait on your list. I also have a friend that has both ADHD and autism, and he has no clue what either one of them are. He thinks that being and acting the way he does is just the normal state of how a human being works. Because of his ADHD, I've seen him waste 2 or 3 hundred thousand dollars buying junk impulsively that he never uses.
All of it. I feel terrible when I think about it. Does my head in
But I digress! We need a t shirt! Lol
Right on ❤.
AuDHD taking over before I got this all watched 😂 (But what I saw, fits.)
I recently had a visit with a doctor who said I was autistic but he didnt think I had ADHD but instead I had Trauma responses.
Clearly psychology isn't a strong point. Experts only sometimes
wind! really a random gust of wind can disrupt my attention easily
Wow , recently diagnosed as Autistic at 43 and they said while I waited for the ADHD assessment, I might as well assume it because the same people would see me for that and said they are fairly sure, just can't make it official.
But all my life I've never fitted in , some people love it and some haven't, but what you said about the mix presenting in unique ways 😅 I've been called variations on that, both flattering and less so , ever since I was a kid and grown ups would ask me to say certain things because they found it funny how my oddly well spoken voice said them . 'He's not from round here/he's not like others/where did you get him ' my parents would be asked.
And just recently, I got asked what planet I was off so I haven't changed much from 5 to 43 it seems !
It could explain why I have deep internal conflict over nearly every aspect of my personal experience of myself and life. I may have found the 'codes' for me at 43. Pity I had to drop out of uni twice and end up homeless first but believe it or not the Doctot said I have excellent self awareness and confidence levels for someone AuDHD, which maybe explains odd stuff like I've gotten up on stage and had a go at stand up with no preparation, and it was fine but I stammer v badly and get v anxious if I have ti catch a bus and speak quickly to the driver.
But also, well I would have the combo wouldn't I, yet again not finding a group to totally fit into . Many would say that's so me 😅
Apologies to any reader for lack of full stops and I can't correct my typos on the phone ! My mind goes too quick for my fingers to type
If my friends family or co-workers would watch this video, life would be so much better. But they won't. Good luck my beautiful fellow aliens.
When you said literal thinking,I read it as if it meant ' literally thinking'" 😅 and I almost asked if you meant " figurative " 😂
I feel like ADHD is just a part of Autism; maybe that's just because I have it. I feel as though the DSM will be adjusted in future revisions.
Can you maybe make a video about ADD and Autism? I have both but I don't have the Hyperactivity Part. There is nearly no videos out here! Thank you for your nice video!
Not only do I have a unique constellation of traits from the DBZ style Fusion of my ADHD Goblin and my Autism Dwarf, but they ebb and flow depending on who is more in control of the steering wheel at any given time lol.
I like your shirt
I'm watching this video to avoid starting work...
I'm watching it to avoid going to bed because there's still so many things I want to finish but will never start, especially not at 2am. :P
I'm autistic and my wife has ADHD,im dead.She has 0 time management skills.I love her.
Sounds like bingo to me 🤪💙👊
I never had echolalia outspokenly, but words would often get stuck on repeat in my head, quite literally like an echo. Echolagia I think it's called. Makes it very hard to read books as you might imagine. Doesn't help that I have almost complete aphantasia. I'm diagnosed with ADD (inattentive ADHD) and ASD lvl 1.
ADHD seeking novelty fighting with autism's desire for routine and stability. So some time you just take the road not taken after driving the same way to work for 3 years. Then the new way becomes the routine.
I am beginning to think that Johnny 5 from Short Circuit had ADHD lol
Currently being assessed for both, I got sick of people like you describing my normal
The externalised hyperactivity presentation is so well-known, but I didn't know much about the way it manifests internally... until I started ADHD meds & my brain went blissfully quiet.
kind of surprised only saw one comment noting the issue at 9:10 as if you have adhd you're inherently *not* neurotypical - even if you're allistic instead of autistic you're still neurodivergent/atypical, lol, was super distracted after that
I have autism/adhd and my autism takes center stage and I present as very autistic, stutter and stammer because my autism speech comes from another place than my adhd, I am a heavy stimmer with many vocal stims. My adhd voice does not stutter and I am able to speak off the cuff very fluidly. It feels so weird!! 👻🤪🌶🤘😎♾️
This would have been interesting to watch but my pill is wearing out so I couldn't focus long enough on it :D
high winds can def trigger me, too. eg many years after having experienced a twister on the island & the wind took the canoe & turned it into a giant balloon that then overturned the 3 sections of dock as if it was nothing. & a huge tree at the nw corner fell down & missed the boat / carriage by a couple of inches & the lake fused with the sky. but, had all blown over in minutes.
today the high winds tore a loose piece of aluminum off the facia / soffit area & i start to shake & became very disregulated. 🥴
"I already told you"
Well I forgot!
lol this is gonna be funny cause I have ADHD diagnosed combined type mixed with ASD level one dyslexia, audio processing disorder and attention deficit disorders
Forget yes I do damn I'm lucky if I make it to the kitchen I usually forget what I was going to do so yes then I'm on to 5 other projects
Does anyone here know any adults with Asperger's online meeting groups, on zoom ,or wherever?
Orion: "inappropriate".
Also Orion: 'awkwardness'.
Me: I guess the second ones are the Aussie air quotes.
Also me: spends 1h researching about air quotes' origin and double quotes' uses in English language.
I talk alot I'm 56 female autistic with hdhd and sensoryvprocessing disorder people automatically think when I talk alot I'm must be a methead .I mean he'll no that's so sad that people don't educate themselves
What if you're not allowed to be yourself
You're saying we BIG-O... I always thought you're a male me. You identity ASD but I see AUD-HD male me. Sorry if that's direct, I have absolutely no qualification but being an intense extrovert I tell strangers kindly. I'm either met with what gave me away, or yes I think I am too or definitely knowledge and laughter. I only provide observational examples I quietly observed which displayed the skills ADHD gifts. People respond as seen and I haven't once been met negatively. I learned all from content providers such as ADHD chatter, Thomas Henley, and Dr Kojo Safarti. I see my behaviour more reflected in your lack of mask, vulnerability, and yet inspirinationally inspiring advocate currently YOU are on the national Australian website. I know you're a humble autistic unplugged and unedited politically and morally driven man... know you make a DIFFERENCE 🎉
gee...if i add neurofibromatosis to being on the edge of the spectrum and adhd...that means i'm ... well normal but with a unique skill set...
Sounds like me
OCD and Autism.
ADHD sucks I am audhd and my brain loves to fight with itself :/
Why does nobody talk about PDDNOS and living with it
Both my elder brother and my mother were diagnosed with PDD-NOS.
PDD-NOS was rolled into ASD (level 1, I think) when the DSM 5th edition came out in 2013. Same with the diagnosis of Asperger's and at least one other condition I forget the name of. They were all rolled into ASD because clinicians were highly inconsistent in giving those diagnosis out. There was no reliable way to differential between them, so they simplified things.
I say I'm ADtistic because it's easier to remember due to the fact there's only one way to say it, "AD-tistic" and one way to spell it.
And to anyone who is thinking of adding the H to it, not necessary. All types of ADHD have one thing in common: the AD in the beginning.
It's already all encompassing.
Oh Jesus this is if you have watched my life on camera.... STILL waiting for my self diagnosis as AUD-HD, CPTSD alphabet soup. Netherlands have NO national autism policy... WTF???? They are put in locked wards for being grumpy. If you have ADHD you're manic. Then there is NO clear way or brave enough lawyer to take on the government health minister, the mayor of Amsterdam, and the monopoly of the *government" component of what The Netherlands boast about on ggzingeest website as "innovative healthcare" Involuntarily admitting neurodivergent ADHD, Autistic and PTSD survivors. The mental healthcare industry apparently totals 4.5% of national GDP. Chemical, physical restraints, human rights violations daily, culture of cruelty order of the day, *deleted medical files* It is insane what they are getting away with here.. .all about the money 💰
Orion it seems like you are hinting at you might be ADHD? but I do not know for sure because you do not say you have ADHD or say you think you do. A whole lot of symptoms do not help determine if a person has ADHD as well as autism, because most of these symptoms you speak of are also symptoms of autism.
We always must look at the bigger picture and what is driving a person to do these things. A good clinician will be able to figure this out with the right questions. Many cannot and why we have misdiagnosis either way. Co-occurring conditions make diagnosis complicated. There is a huge overlap of the same symptoms between autism and ADHD. The clue whether it is autism or ADHD is what are the drivers for the symptoms, as that will determine if it is being fuelled by autism or adhd.
When you put anxiety and social anxiety in the mix which many autistic people have, that further complicates things for thinking it is ADHD. For instance, running around the house dysregulated and not being able to complete tasks and acting in a hyper mode can be anxiety, because a person needs to get busy to try and dissipate the uncomfortableness of the anxiety, so this would not be ADHD as the driver would be executive dysfunction which can further complicate things.
Autistic people also have executive function issues for different reasons than people with ADHD. People with executive dysfunction due to ADHD want novelty and stimulation so it is hard for them to stay focused on tasks that take longer. Many people also think they have ADHD when it is a trauma response driving the symptoms. It would be hard to find an autistic person without trauma because being autistic sets us up for a life of ridicule and abuse, and why many have some sort of anxiety disorder or trauma diagnosis as well. In the end its much more complicated than a bunch of symptoms when diagnosing co occurring conditions.
STOP PROFITING FROM A CONDITION **YOU DON'T HAVE!** 😡 IT'S VERY OFFENSIVE TO THOSE OF US WHO DEAL WITH THIS CURSE THAT IS AUTISM.
You don’t have autism. How do I know?
Because I’m a random commenter without a medical degree who didn’t diagnose you myself and didn’t review with other experts in a controlled setting following the diagnostic criteria.
Therefore I know for a fact you are not autistic.
Very solid logic there pal.
Not like youtube videos are edited or people trying to put their best foot forward to get a point accross to all people.
And regardless you lossed the memo on the “S” in ASD. People like you are the worst, regardless if you have a diagnosis or not.
I am sorry you are suffering so badly, but it's called a spectrum for a reason. It can present with or without intellectual or physical impairment. As you know, it requires a rigourous diagnosis by a trained professional.
Perhaps you are thinking literally about this.
Say I have Trisomy 21 (Downs
Syndrome) and have a job and live independently. It's indisputable that I have Down's Syndrome, but by your criteria, I would be profiting from and offending those with Trisomy 21 with severe intellectual or physical impairments if I were to make a podcast or write a book about it. Yet if I don't speak and write about it, and be a voice for those who perhaps can't, who else will? Those with no lived experience?
With all due respect, you are the one being disrespectful here.
Why do I feel like I listened to 15minutes of painfully accurate summations of my behavior, I know I have both ADHD and ASD but did I really need to tick every box 😅😞