Charismatic Gifts: The Gift of Tongues
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- Speaking in tongues. Is it real? Why is this called the least amoung the gifts yet it's the only one that made a comeback? How come nobody is raising anyone from the dead? Be careful about those who claim to 'speak in tongues". For more please visit www.luke1128.org & remember to say 3 Hail Marys for the priest
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I had the gift of tongues three times in 2005 when I was in Japan. I was a practicing Jehovah’s Witness and I had no idea what had happened to me. All I know is my head felt funny and people that couldn’t speak a word of English were talking to me in English and I couldn’t hold a conversation in Japanese but they were hearing Japanese! It took about 12 years after this happened to finally understand what had happened to me. The Watchtower doesn’t really focus on Gifts of the Holy Spirit and in fact, teach that it doesn’t happen anymore because we have the Bible. It was only after God directly got my out of the JW cult that I slowly began talking to other people about what happened to me. Of course, I initially talked to protestants and evangelicals and because I’ve also been given the Gift of premonition, they told me that I was possessed and need to stop practicing witchcraft. Lol. I couldn’t find anyone to tell me why these things were happening to me. Then I talked to a Catholic (I considered them to not even be Christians at the time) who sent me a private message and she cleared everything up. I wasn’t possessed and I certainly wasn’t practicing witchcraft, I was given gifts of the Holy Spirit. And now I know why, just because you receive the Gifts id the Holy Spirit doesn’t validate your beliefs or that you’re even on the right path. It’s just God’s way of helping you to him and later, having you help others to him. It is as Father said, we don’t receive these gifts on an individual level but to help the Church. I was baptized and confirmed into God’s Holy Catholic Church on April 20th, 2019 after much struggle and a whole LOT of prayers for the truth and guidance of Jesus Christ. Praise be to God. Gloria tibi Domine.
This probably is the only believable story of tongues I’ve ever heard.
It is quite believable, but that doesn’t mean it’s from God. People who are demonically possessed also speak in tongues. It’s one of the hallmark signs of possession. I’ve seen it myself in a childhood friend who became possessed in front of my eyes while playing with an Ouija board. In her case, she suddenly spoke perfect French despite being 10 years old and no exposure to any foreign languages.
Welcome home
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Then the devil had his grip on you not God. You first problem is being a part of a cult. Second, you dont know what you were saying which is extremely dangerous. The devil is very cunning, you dont know what you were saying and could have very easily been speaking to and of satan. Speaking in tongues is not necessarily something good when you dont know who and where it comes from.
validation of what I have always suspected and why I love the Catholic Church----quiet, holy, reflective------no wailing, sobbing, flailing, etc
We are loud, we express our love for God...and we are out beyond the walls of the church!
This is false teaching. He is effectively denying that people can speak in tongues by the power of the Holy Spirit by claiming that it is exceedingly rare (and just among saints) and only means speaking in known languages that can be verified.
He is also diminishing this gift by, incredibly, mocking it as the least of the gifts and then, like the pure sophist that he is, wryly asking "Why is this the only one making a comeback?" Well, he obviously lives under a rock since it is not the only gift "making a comeback." That was just rhetorical nonsense used in place of argument because he doesn't have an argument. The gifts are part of our Catholic heritage and this clown cannot erase them nor degrade them nor mock God and those whom He has gifted.
This man is wrong and his claims are bizarre. I've been around forever and I've never actually heard claims like this. I'm kinda shocked that this is even out there. He says that there must be a natural way of verifying that someone is prompted by the Spirit. How exactly is that done? There's no way to do that with tongues or prophecy. It requires discernment, and we are told that. Scripture refers specifically to tongues that are not known. It also says that one who speaks in a tongue talks to God and edifies himself. So, obviously, if the person is experiencing the Holy Spirit by speaking in a tongue and knows that he is receiving a benefit, he doesn't have to prove by natural means to this guy that it is authentic. It's not even possible. It's something that God does to help us to pray, to console us, to help us to worship and adore and praise Him with the angels. That is how people experience it. It's spiritual and supernatural. Perhaps this guy can show us a natural way of "verifying" that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood, or perhaps he can show us the soul under a microscope or fancy Soul-Finding X-Ray Machine? Sure, you can just call people crazy who speak in tongues. So what? There are armies of non-Catholics calling Catholics crazy 24/7. As if that's an argument.
Tongues, and the other gifts, are actually disproportionately represented in Scripture, in place of issues that aren't even covered but are probably more important, so it's really ironic that he tries so hard to downplay these phenomena. People like him who think themselves above it all are shocked by how clearly and how often tongues are mentioned and explained. Notice how he is careful not to show himself like a Protestant dispensationalist who denies charismatic gifts for today. He effectively does, because he cannot deal with it, with the spurious argument that only rare saints have had these experiences. Imagine someone arguing that holiness was rare since "Why aren't the great mystics, martyrs, saints, and confessors making a comeback"? Gee, maybe God is stingy with grace and holiness is ultra rare? Of course not. You cannot argue from absence, especially when the NT is replete with miracles, healings, exorcisms, tongues, prophecy, etc. If there is an absence it is due to sin or ignorance, not God. It is creepy weirdo Protestant territory to claim that the early Church was somehow unique in time and that these things are not for us and are not the norm. Dangerously close to heresy this man is, and you can see right through him how he tries to use the trick of claiming rarity and some qualification of sainthood for the gifts to exist authentically. Ridiculous.
This is garbage phony theology and ought not be allowed on a Catholic channel. It is in no way Catholic. The Catholic Church affirms the gifts and also affirms the role of discernment. There is no ban on speaking in tongues. The Church doesn't say we somehow have to prove tongues and prophecy by natural means. Prophecy can only be tested that way insofar as it is predictive. If it is consoling or instructive, then as long as it doesn't contradict doctrine there is no way to prove it false. And, of course, that doesn't mean it's authentic either. Thus discernment, the bearing of fruit, etc. We all understand that there are always fakers, frauds, phonies, or deluded or demonized people. We also understand that there is no shortcut to holiness and the gifts are not signs of holiness in an of themselves.
MillionthUsername very well said.Godbless!
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Ah yes, the bat crazy current interpretation of the charismatic gifts i.e. standing up, jumping up and down, while yelling, screaming, laughing hysterically or sobbing and then poof, falling over like a dead possum. I too grew up in this rubbish and was embarrassed for the adults who acted so ridiculously. It's just man centered emotionalism. And the "speaking in tongues" is gibberish. Thank you Father for bringing back sanity and clarity to this issue that has infected the Church, especially the Novus Ordo. God bless~
Those in the crowd ar pentecost thought the apostles were drunk.Perhaps they would have been more believable if they had stayed in their seats, respectfully.
@@robertnieten9844 Scripture doesn't recount why people thought they were drunk...not that I recall as I type this:+) Doubtful it was the current emo weird charismatic stuff that I also don't recall reading about with any saints life. Maybe it was just recuperating from the intense experience of having pillars of fire over you and filled with God's grace intensely as an adult? Something to ask or discover if we are blessed enough to enter heaven one day:+) God bless~
@@MMC-jp1gl Except for the vision of the tongues of fire it's as powerful an experience to everyone that recieves the Holy Spirit today.Recieving the Spirit is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.It's an overfowing filling that, once a believer has first experiences it, happens over, and over again as God blesses us with fresh baptism in church."Out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water".
@@robertnieten9844 I don't understand your terms. When anyone, child or adult is baptized, they receive the Holy Spirit which is a sacrament. The sacrament of Confirmation is when the child or adult is confirmed and strengthened in the faith via the Holy Spirit. I have never experienced any kind of "overflowing filling" nor have I witnessed it in as much as the people act like the current charismatics do. We are "filled" with the Holy Spirit in as much as we are a) open/predisposed to it b) prepared for it mentally c) devoid of sin. There is no "fresh baptism" in the Church. There is baptism. Period. There is a cleansing/cleaning from the sacrament of confession and a strengthening from the sacrament of the eucharist but no re-do on baptism.
The Catholic faith is not dependent on feelings or experiences...it is rooted in objective truth and reality. Our spirits are comprised on our intellects and our wills. Passions and emotions are managed and do not lead the spiritual bus:+) Faith is using our wills to assent to the truth presented to our intellects. If we "feel" or "experience" anything as a result, that is beside the point and not important. Truth is not a feeling and only truth sets us free:+)
God bless~
@@MMC-jp1gl Our salvation is based on what the Word of God says and that's what we will be judged by when we stand before God.There are no sacraments of confirmation or confession in the Bible.These are man made terms.We must stick to the Word.The Word says that in order to be saved ws must repent and be water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and we shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit( Acts 2:38).Baptism is far more that just an outward confession of faith or a ceremony, it is what's essential to be adopted spiritually into Gods' family.It's what makes us children of God and that requires a process.This process begins by putting our new found faith in the truth of the gospel(" faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God")in action through obedience.The Word says that "God gives the Holy Spirit to those that obey".Once we repent or turn from our old sinful life we must step out in obedience in our new life.Repentance is completed by water baptism.Acts 2:38 says to "Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin.." As a result of repenting and being water baptized in Jesus name the Spirit remits our sins by circumcising our consciences, removing the guilt from past sins and restoring it to its' childlike sensitivity to sin.(Col.2:11,12)(Rom.2:28)(Phil 3:3).Then we are baptized in the Holy Spirit.In John ch.3 Jesus told Nicodemus that,"Ye must be born of water and of the Spirit or you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven".Water baptism is " born of water" and Spirit baptism is " born of Spirit".Scripturally there are two baptisms that make up the one baptism,(One Lord, One faith, and One baptism)( Eph.4:5,6).The second part of the "One" baptism is Spirit baptism.The Spirit baptism is how we recieve the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.It is to be filled to overflowing.When Jesus described it He said" Out of your bellies shall flow rivers of living water"( John 7:38).Imagine that happening to a believer and them not being able to tell when or not to be profoundly moved.The Word says that we must "ask" for the Holy Spirit and keep asking until the Lord answers our prayer.( Matt.7:11).Baptism, by definition, is to be immersed.In water baptism we are immersed in water and in Spirit we are filled to overflowing to where His Spirit is not only in us, but a hedge of protection all around us.In order for this overflowing immersion to happen we must yield our tongue to the Spirit.When we do He bears witness, using our tongge, in His language, that we have been "born of the Spirit".His Spirit then remains in us and we have recieved the Holy Spirit.His Spirit joins with our spirit and we become "One".Just like Jesus said he did when he walked the earth,"I and the Father are One, Him in me and i in Him".This is being born again of water and Spirit and is essential to salvation.
This talk changed my life and eventually led me to tradition
The outpouring of the Spirit and His gifts are part of Tradition.
@@MillionthUsername yes. True outpouring of the spirit and his gifts. Not the Protestant-inspired “charismatic” mockery and aping of it.
@@thomasmichael6509 The Catholic Charismatic Renewal is Catholic.
The only mockery seems to be coming from people who openly mock the Spirit and His gifts and who abuse those who love the Lord and humbly receive His gifts.
@@MillionthUsername you’re very confused
@@thomasmichael6509 No, you're very confused. Protestants did not invent the gift of tongues. Read the New Testament and the Catechism. No Protestants in sight in the first century. Please stop mocking God and His gifts.
Catholics should not participate in this "tongue-speaking" nonsense. The Apostles spoke actual languages, not a bunch of random babbling. "In praying, do not babble like the pagans, who think that they will be heard because of their many words." Matthew 6:7 (NAB)
Ask the HOLY Blessed SPIRIT Annoinenting of tounges. It's not baffled or babble chit
Or chat speaking in tongues directly speaking n approaching the throne of God direct
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@@sandiefox44 The modern "tongue-speaking" is a bunch of Protestant nonsense. Most of it is fake.
@@T_frog1 I really don't appreciate U CALLING me a
Protestant I am Roman Catholic n
Charasmatic.. the HOLY SPIRIT filled me with graces for God alone.. My JESUS n
Saviour . I TRUST in in ALONE not humanity
Also you Terry should ask the HOLY SPIRIT 2 enlightened U above beyond all Around U..
@@sandiefox44 I didn't say you were Protestant, but it's an undeniable fact that the Charismatic movement comes from Protestantism. And who's Terry?
YOU: "Catholics should not participate in this "tongue-speaking" nonsense."
THE BIBLE: "Eagerly seek the gifts..."
Thank you Father, for this clear headed, logical, Church Fathers verified explanation. I had attended the Charismatic Renewal meetings on an off in my teen and early adult years. But I always was uncomfortable with the “speaking in tongues”. Then, when they started offering “classes” in doing that, well, that was just over the top!!! They will say that this one or that one is interpreting the tongues at the prayer meeting, therefore it is in line with Scripture. But using that “logic”, each person ‘speaking in tongues’ would have to have someone to ‘interpret’ them. Otherwise there is no proof that they are praising God or cursing God or just babbling.
God would not have His children writhing on the floor or cackling or acting like other animals as has been witnessed in some of these meetings. He made us in His image. Any of that would be beneath our dignity as imparted to us by our God.
Wherever they appear in biblical accounts, the gifts of the Holy Spirit are spontaneously manifested. Anyone who says it's possible to teach someone else how to manifest any of them is instantly suspect IMO.
.....and those "interpreting" the tongues are being led by the nose to think they have a "special" gift. The leaders of these meetings are always the last word in who has the "gifts". It is not of God.
My husband and I were in a church where one of the elders had attended what was called “The Toronto Blessing in Canada. He returned with stories of people making animal noises, hysterical laughing, crying that went on and on for hours on end, and other emotional hype. He was eager to see the same thing happen in our church. Fortunately, the other elders were wise enough to it the brakes on this as it wasn’t biblical and certainly not edifying to the local body. Thank God for brave Godly leaders who exercise Godly discernment. I am a now a Catholic and find it surprising and somewhat disheartening that much of what is sheer emotionalism is allowed to happen in the Catholic Church and not be addressed more publicly. Satan is always in the business of counterfeiting true spiritual gifts and planting in the heart of men a desire for more ”exciting” spiritual experiences. He gives us Himself in the Holy Eucharist of which nothing can compare.
Fantastic talk, Father. All those con-jobs babbling like morons. I accompanied a friend to a 'Charismatic' meeting and they seemed to be mad. She tried to tell me it was 'The Holy Spirit' but it always seemed more like demonic to me. Thank you for your clear and concise explanation. Truth is so reasonable!!!
That's what they said about the disciples on Pentecost...drunk (Acts 2:13)...the fruit of the charismatic movement is good! We are in the jails, speaking to youth, having Biblical conferences, healing Masses, etc..charismatic till I die!
Joseangel, he's not saying that is a useless movement. That movement has fruits, very noticeable. The problem is some things that charismatics have because of their protestant heritage. Some things that are not related with the church's faith, and tradition. Which are utterly important for us as catholics.
One of those things is indeed the false concept about the gift of tongues.
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Pride goeth before the fall.
Thank God for Holy Mother Church. I hope all heretics can find the humility to repent and be restored to the body of Christ.
Mary has come in many appriations not once had she spoken in Tongues, she leads by example
Thank you, Father, for wanting to teach us. But it appears that you may have a bias AGAINST the gift of tongues.
When, after a retreat 30 years ago I was seeking to know God better, I attended a Catholic Charismatic prayer group. I did receiver prayer, and "spoke in tongues." However, this prayer language I spoke was something I had experienced as a child (after MY CONFIRMATION) but I would not allow myself to speak because I did not understand it. My experience with tongues is as St. Paul teaches in Romans 8:26, " the Spirit too comes to the aid of our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but the Spirit itself intercedes with inexpressible groaning." At every sacrament, I pray, meditate, and quietly pray in tongues in thanksgiving and praise.
I have seen God work through this gift: it brought a family member BACK TO THE CHURCH after being away 20 years. I guess I am just saying: we each must be discerning, but we also should not limit how God can work!
May God greatly bless you!!
Amen. I received the baptism in the Holy spirit. when i was 14 when I was in the Assembly of God Church. And it absolutely was the most amazing thing that ever happened to me in my life. I am Catholic now. Every Christian should ask for this.
We can't be sure these "groanings" are of God, because the evil one knows full well the "gifts' received, as you mentioned after confirmation, the evil one can repeat exactly what occurred. Just as very holy saints who had Jesus and Mary appear to them said at time's the devil himself appeared as Jesus or Mary, and it took them a little while to decern whether or not it was authentic. Don't waste time pondering these thing's when we can use the time in prayer, and do some real good for the Lord!
@@stephanielane1821 which good are you talking about? Did you saw any of the apostle without a gift? To build the church we need charismatic gift and the gift of tongues is the key door of other gift , by listening to what father says , it seems like is misunderstand the "Gift of Tongues" or He just against may be
@@emmanuelfolly9206 The gift of tongue's, with the apostles, was when gathered one spoke in tongue's, as from the holy Spirit, another then had the gift of decerning or know what that person said in tongue's, another gift of the Holy Spirit. The apostle's, didn't just all speak together in tongue's, the gift was for the community. So one person speaks in tongue's, and waits for another person who by another gift of the Holy Spirit, knows what was said. People who are possessed by a demon, can also speak in tongue's, (not from the Holy Spirit) We need proper discernment, and proper leadership, in this area, to avoid being misled. We can pray and say the Rosary, a very powerful prayer, miracle's come from this !!
@@stephanielane1821 how can you speak about the gift of tongue without even has experience ,the point here is there is different kind of tongues that occurs in act chap 2 and the one that st Paul talk in 1 cor 14,u said that speaking in tongues is a sign. Of being possess by a demons , and also to levitate is a sign also of being possess by a demons , can you said that saints were possess because they were levitate ,I don't think so ,Jesus said you will see them by their fruits that is the only discernement .if speaking in tongues is edifying my self , is helping me to come close to God .means it come from God .what father is doing here is like a protestant who assume that catholic worship Mary .to pray in tongues is to pray in the perfect will of God, is the spirit that praying through you as the book of Romans 8:26 said .no body understand what you said unless he has the gift to interpret .even the devil himself can understand all the language , except the tongue gift.i am so glad to pray in this gift and I saw many changing in my life and in the life of those ,I pray with
Three types of Tongues mentioned in Bible:
1). Praying in Tongues :
1 Corinthians 14:2
For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:14
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
Romans 8:25-27
But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait with endurance. In the same way, the Spirit too comes to the aid of our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but the Spirit itself intercedes with inexpressible groanings. And the one who searches hearts knows what is the intention of the Spirit, because it intercedes for the holy ones according to God’s will.
2). He who has the gift of interpretation can interpret what someone speaks in tongues for the good of the society. That is why Paul said those who speak in tongues should be silent in church, unless they have the gift of interpretation. As this message was given by God it is therefore considered as prophecy.
Please note that Praying to God with the the gift of tongue and speaking to the society by tongue with the help of gift of interpretation are two things :
1 Corinthians 14:13
Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray to be able to interpret.
1 Corinthians 14:27-28
If anyone speaks in a tongue, let it be two or at most three, and each in turn, and one should interpret. But if there is no interpreter, the person should keep silent in the church and speak to himself and to God.
3). In the early church when the apostles spoke to thousands in their language those who gathered there heard the speech in their own languages :
Acts 2:1-11
When the time for Pentecost was fulfilled, they were all in one place together. And suddenly there came from the sky a noise like a strong driving wind,* and it filled the entire house in which they were. Then there appeared to them tongues as of fire,* which parted and came to rest on each one of them. And they were all filled with the holy Spirit and began to speak in different tongues,* as the Spirit enabled them to proclaim.
Now there were devout Jews from every nation under heaven staying in Jerusalem. At this sound, they gathered in a large crowd, but they were confused because each one heard them speaking in his own language. They were astounded, and in amazement they asked, “Are not all these people who are speaking Galileans? Then how does each of us hear them in his own native language? We are Parthians, Medes, and Elamites, inhabitants of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya near Cyrene, as well as travelers from Rome, both Jews and converts to Judaism, Cretans and Arabs, yet we hear them speaking in our own tongues of the mighty acts of God.
You are correct! --I don't know why our separated Catholic brethren ignore these inspired Scriptural passages.
/St. George of Hyperlink ✞
I think it is very useful today to pray in tongues ,even privately,because " we don't know how to pray correctly to God"
@@lidiabarb6445The holy sacrafice of the mass is the perfect prayer to God
If nobody is raising anyone from the dead, does it mean that Gifts of the Holy Spirit is not real ?
It is God who raise the people or heal them through his servants, if it is necessary. Please note that all gifts were not given to all :
1 Corinthians 12:7-11
7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
8 To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
11 All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
Not true, there are some very uncharitable persons that are disagreement with the gift of tongues! You need to look again!
dud, speaking in unknown tongues is demonic. why, because in acts2 it's a language that the speaker did not know. but a person in the crowd understood it. in his language. In Corinthians, the church was messed up. across the way from Corinth, is acro Corinth. they had temple prostitutes with there hair shaved. they came to the church and started to speak in unknown tongues. Paul was trying to show them there error. 1corinthians 14, at the end says, tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but for unbelievers. the sign of tongues was a judgment on Israel. so, after reading this, how can you say you believe in prayer tongues. that's not the true sign of tongues. there is nothing to say about this. Romans 8:26, says the Holly spirit intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. did you get that. it can't even be uttered. the Holly spirit intercedes for us. God is not a God of confusion. this is so simple. anytime you have a problem in Corinthians, just go back to acts2. that's the it was things designed for. not mumbo jumbo words. God bless
Romans 8:26: "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans." The Holy Spirit is praying through us in words we do not understand. Is mystery so hard comprehend. Usually its then that the Lord brings a word to our mind for the sake of someone or all of us in the context of a prayer group. It is more for the individual then the group because as someone below said we cannot understand it. Our priest described it as noisy contemplation. Let's be positive about it since St Paul speaks well of it and it is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it is not real and from God.
"Words you can't understand"... but you can utter them... interesting...
Thank you Father for answering the question I have always asked myself, I am a practicing Catholic and teach Catechism and I have heard other Catholic talk about speaking in tongue's and they would like to obtain this so call speaking in tongue, I told them why would I come to listen to this, if it's not understandable, they said it happen on the day of Pentecost, when the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT came upon the disciple's and the Blessed Mother they began speaking in tongues, I said yes but it's the speaking of other languages so people of other Nations could understand what they are preaching, that day of Pentecost they stepped out side and they were speaking to each other with amazement and overwhelmed with joy there were people from other nationality that were able to understand what the disciple's were saying, so the way that I understand it, it was given to the disciple's to be Fishermen of men of every Nation's. A language has to have coherence to be able to understand a person's conversation, teaching's and story telling. I certainly don't want to listen or speak to some one who is speaking mambo jambo well not seeing the picture of what the person wants to get across, Father I agree with you. Thank you and may GOD bless you and also with wisdom.
So how come Paul explains the gift of tongues in a context that excludes it being for the benefit of foreign language speakers in the congregation? You guys obviously have not even read the relevant scriptures on this and so you don't know what you're talking about. People who are peddling these anti-Catholic teachings - Yes, they are anti-Catholic teachings - against the charismatic gifts cannot even come up with a coherent argument. I suggest you do a study yourself on the gift of tongues in the NT and you will see that what this man is teaching is false and not in line with Catholic teaching. The Church does not teach that tongues are only for miraculously preaching to foreigners in their language. They are for prayer and personal as well as corporate edification. The public gift of tongues where one speaker alone speaks out in an unknown tongue is followed by an interpretation. This is also a gift. It's really the gift of prophecy. There is no way to twist what Scripture says into this doctrine of denial. There just isn't, and it's shameful that this sort of thing is appearing on what is represented as being an orthodox Catholic channel.
@@MillionthUsername if you are Catholic then go ahead and give the Catholic documents that support your position as well as the scripture that supports your position.
@@KMF3 Read Acts, 1 Cor, and the Catechism.
Nowhere does Scripture say you have to know the language you are speaking for the gift of tongues to be authentic. Paul says explicitly that "he who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God, no one understands him for he utters mysteries in the Spirit." This is why an interpretation is required for the prophetic gift of tongues in the assembly.
@@MillionthUsername yes I agree I think that some people do have a very specific charism like Saint Padre Pio. He was able to hear confession in languages that he did not know and when the people heard him speak they heard him speak in their own language.
Thank you Father for expounding the " speaking in tonques" to us Catholics
The protestant gullibility has no end it seems.
It pains me to see some of them following these trends.
A vast majority of protestants don't believe speaking in tongues is for today.Catholics definately don't believe it.
@@robertnieten9844, at least where I live, in a Protestant country, about two thirds of active Protestants tacitly approve and the remaining third silently disapproves. Of those who approve, maybe half have tried it and maybe one in ten does it eagerly or publicly. There's a thing called "the emerging church" or Radical Orthodoxy that puts human emotion and intuition to the front. We have very few "confessional" movements, Reformed or Lutheran, but all kinds of "third wave" movements or "new ways of doing church". Lutheran doctrine is not really a faith, but a way to believe in the secular society. And as the secular society becomes increasingly chaotic, hostile and meaningless, people withdraw into their imagination. Most of the Evangelical stuff is about making people feel good and inviting others to come and also feel good.
@@robertnieten9844 What are you talking about? The gift of tongues is part of Catholic teaching and always has been.
To deny that the gifts are for today is called the cessationist heresy, which was originated by Protestants.
Sorry father, my wife was healed during a Catholic "charismatic" prayer session among many others. They prayed in tongues too. If some traditional priest could listen to the testimony of Father James Manjackal, a Catholic Priest from India Kerala, and comment. Please, people are being healed emotionally, spiritually and physically.Thanks. Ave Maria +
Healing taking place in charismatic circles, I do believe, for God Is sovereign & loving toward his children. Although I don’t dismiss the gift of tongues, I’d be extremely cautious about it. Praise God for your wife’s healing.
@@jmslangevin it is through their own faith they heal not through what you think is a gift
Thats was from God not fake faith
If they are healed it is despite the charismatic gibberish not because of.
Very true.
Some charismatic catholic groups have members who pray in gibberish.
They say this is praying in tongues where no one understands what the person is praying.
Some in these groups says it is the Spirit within the person that is talking to God hence no one understands.
They say they are not talking in tongues but "praying in tongues"!!
Please shed some light on this too.
I agree. This should be addressed as well. Particularly 1 Cor 14:1-5.39
Do not listen to them, they are talking no sense.
The word UNKNOWN isn't in the original Greek
You can read Fr. Lapides commentary online for free to see what he says.
Continue reading the passage Corinthians 14:1. The answer that you search is there.
The gift of tongues is not "gibberish." As a gift of the Holy Spirit it is something holy, and you ought to have reverence for things that are holy.
It's fine to say "praying in tongues" when referring to people using their prayer tongues in private prayer or together in a gathering to praise and thank God.
"Some in these groups says it is the Spirit within the person that is talking to God hence no one understands."
That comes from St. Paul. You can read about instances of tongues in Acts - the Pentecost event, the time when Peter preached to the household of Cornelius, and when Paul met up with disciples who had not heard about the Holy Spirit. In the latter cases, the Spirit fell on them and they spoke in tongues as a sign of this. The tongues there were not used for evangelization, did not require interpretation, did not solve a communications difficulty, etc.
In 1 Cor, St. Paul gives extensive teaching on tongues as well.
Oh Lord Jesus, it saddens me to read all these postings of name-callings, insults and debasings basing on individual inclinations, may the Holy Spirit open our hearts and minds to the truth, Amen!
Maybe it was the truth in kindness, not an insult
I was prayed over during a portion of a Steubenville youth conference several years ago…I realize now they were speaking in “tongues”-one speaking incoherently and one “interpreting”.
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Such a good explanation. Someone in my Catholic mothers group likes to pray over us in tongues. I'm not the only one uncomfortable with it I'm sure, but everyone seems too scared to tell her to stop. Next time I'll just leave the room until she's done I think. It doesn't feel right to me. She even says "if I'm questioning if the feeling is from me or from God, then I know it's from God". Um, nope. Pretty sure that's not how it works.
"If I'd want to get like seriously drunk, but if I hesitate at first, then I know God approves. If I would not hesitate, God would not approve." Or even better. There are two kinds of feelings: me-feelings and God-feelings. And when one has a God-feeling about something, then the thing is necessarily so. But how does one know it is a God-feeling? Because he has a me-feeling that it is a God-feeling.
You should tell a priest about it
I love going to videos of people speaking in “tongues” then turning on the captions. It always makes me laugh.
Very good sermon and much needed
I believe that the gift of "speaking" in tongues exists. I just don't buy to "praying" in tongues that one does not understand.
The concept of praying in tongues started in 19th century when the Pentecostals interpreted the word "tongues" as "heavenly or angelic language" other than what the English interpreters of the Greek letters actually meant it to be, which is just "language". I would give you 3 biblical context of how the term "tongue" is used in KJV, one of the most ancient English translation:
1. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
[Acts 2:4, 6]
2. After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
[Revelation 7:9]
3. For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
[Isaiah 28:11]
What is very clear in Paul's letter is that we cannot pray or sing in a tongue we don't understand. If we want to do so, then we should pray for the gift of interpreting that tongue.
We often misinterpret scripture when we single it out and read it out of context with the whole chapter, book or the entire Bible.
Take a look at that verse in context with the verses above and below it:
Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unproductive. What should I do then? I will pray with the spirit, but I will pray with the mind also; I will sing praise with the spirit, but I will sing praise with the mind also.
[1 Corinthians 14:13-15]
Ponder on the statement: "What should I do then?"
Yes, the Spirit interceeds for us to God because we sometimes do not know what to pray, but not with strange tongues but with groans that cannot be uttered or spoken. Except the meaning of the word "groanings" has changed over the years. This verse is often misinterpreted by Charismatics to support their angelic language. The Spirit's intercession is not in uttered words like the so called angelic language:
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
[Romans 8:26]
Charismatics have really misunderstood Paul in the entire chapter of 1st Cor 14 inorder to get biblical support for the so called "praying in heavenly language"; some with good intent though.
This is not a surprise as Paul's letters have always been misread and misunderstood since antiquity:
So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
[2 Peter 3:15-16]
If you read the entire verse in context with chapters 12, 13 and 14, it would be clear that Paul is diplomatically telling the Corinthians that speaking in tongues is of least value among the gifts.
Paul never talked about "praying with tongue". He used the analogy in that verse to show them that it is not even logical to pray in a tongue you don't understand since prayer is from the mind and spirit. In essence, one can only pray and sing with his mind and spirit if he understands what he is saying.
The Holy Spirit gave the disciples the utterance to speak in tongues so I don’t understand why some Pentecostal would teach you to speak in tongues. I will never do it again.
Nothing in the Scriptures implies that incoherent babbling is a gift of the holy spirit, and yet that's what I see so many with the supposed gift of tongues doing. Why would God give out a "gift" that only spreads confusion? It makes more sense then, that the actual gift of Tongues would be closer to what was documented at Pentecost, where the Apostles spoke in languages they themselves did not know for the benefit of onlookers from a multitude of nations who understood those languages.
The understanding of tongues would then likewise not an understanding of mindless gibbering, but a supernatural understanding of languages one does not himself know.
I love how some of these people who have made comments on here think they know better than a traditional priest. I have been to these charismatic conferences and please many if not all of those people there were faking it. The band would be playing music and the woman singing would start talking in tongues then all of a sudden almost everyone in the whole room would start so called talking in tongues. I highly doubt it was everyone at the same time. I do believe some people have been given the gift but unfortunately I believe it is an abused gift and faked most of the times.
There are many priests now in charismatic renewal. Look up FEARLESS on utube. Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict , Pope Francis, have all said they want Renewal in the Church. Jesus is renewing his Church. I hope that Father above is in renewal now. God Bless him.
Yup, clear, solid examples, context explained, and authoritative sources noted. Great job.
1 Corinthians 14:4-6
4 He that speaketh in a tongue, edifieth HIMSELF: but he that prophesieth, edifieth the church.
5 And I would have you all to speak with tongues, but rather to prophesy. For greater is he that prophesieth, then he that speaks with tongues: unless perhaps he interprets, that the church may receive edification.
6 But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, unless I speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in doctrine?
Thinks to think about:
1. One that does not purify himself (and we're talking years of purification) and practice of virtues will never achieve such gifts by God.
2. There is nothing about jibberish babble here! Only revelation, knowledge, prophecy and doctrine! All things that help the Church grow in fruitfulness.
3. How is the church gaining any fruits from this?
4. This is the praying in constant babble that the pagans did, this is what we were warned not to do!
It's funny that the protestants think that the rosary is bad. When they are doing the very exact thing that the bible warned them not to do. It's very sad that Catholics are following this trend. Our Lady of Good Success warned us of all these things that the Church would go through. To neglect her writings will be to your end. HOLD TO YOUR FAITH BECAUSE ITS GOING TO BE A BUMPY BOAT RIDE! Thank you, Mother Mary, for Loving us enough to tell us about such things and heresies as to avoid the pitfalls ahead.
OUR LADY OF GOOD SUCCESS PRAY FOR US!
PART 1
A few thoughts on “tongues” - due to length, presented in two parts.
Let me first preface this post by making it clear that it is not written with any deliberate intention of offending anyone who practices glossolalia (a/k/a ‘speaking in tongues’).
As a Linguist, I have studied the phenomenon of glossolalia from both a linguistic and cultural point of view. My primary concentration was on the linguistic aspect of this phenomenon. What follows is extracted from what was a considerably longer post - I have tried to edit it to be as brief as possible, but it’s still a bit long….presented in two parts.
The results of my study (as well as many I’ve read) can be summed up as follows:
Results were rather straightforward from which only one reasonable conclusion may be drawn: glossolalia in and of itself is simply an advanced form of subconscious word-play or "free-vocalization", consisting of *only* those sounds found in the speaker’s native language (and any language they may have been exposed to); anyone can learn to produce it relatively easily. Further, ‘word’ stress and general accent are typically those of the speaker’s native language. A person from Georgia is going to sound like a person from Georgia when “speaking tongues”, i.e. there’s no “foreign accent”, so to speak, in their glossolalia. American speakers do however typically trill their r’s when “speaking in tongues” - it makes the glossic utterance sound more foreign. Glossolalia only has specific significance in a cultural or religious context where it is part of that cultural or religious belief system’s practice. In these instances, with the possible exception of Christian glossolalia, it is viewed as a *tool* (with which to connect to the deity) rather than a means (by which the deity communicates to man, and visa versa). It must also be noted that certain forms of schizophrenia will present with glossolalia - this is an example glossolalia in a non-cultural/religious context.
Ermaneglossia (a/k/a “interpretation of tongues”), which in most cases goes hand in hand with glossolalia, can be viewed as nothing more than a Christian form of what is known as ‘direct spirit channeling’. Practitioners are simply channeling the Holy Spirit (sometimes via the tool of glossolalia, sometimes not). It can be done instantly by the practitioner - i.e. there’s no ‘preparation’ that needs to be done beforehand. As in other traditions that practice channeling, the method/tool used to initiate the process is not necessarily related to the actual ‘message’(the glossa). Practitioners will argue that channeling and what happens when one is speaking in tongues are two very different things; however, it really boils down to semantics - from every description given by Christian practitioners I have read or been told - both Christian and non-Christian practitioners describe essentially the same thing.
The above said however, it can be argued (and frankly comes across to me as such more often than not) that in the modern Christian tradition, interpretation of glossolalia are nothing more than random spontaneous generic praise or message phrases, typically inordinately longer than the actual glossic utterance itself. In this respect it has really nothing whatsoever to do with any supposed corresponding glossic utterance.
The results of the many studies done regarding interpretation were very non-inspiring: Yes, there are people who can supposedly interpret a glossic string; however, if one were to record said string and play it to ten different people who are said to have the ability to interpret; you essentially get ten totally different answers.
The all too common come-back to the issue of ‘multiple interpretations’ is that God/the Holy Spirit simply gives different interpretations to different people. As one writer quips (and I couldn’t have said it better myself), “Pentecostal Darwinism does not exist - there’s no mutation or transformation of one message into several for the sake of justifying an obvious discrepancy. If this were the case, it would completely eradicate the need for glossolalia in the first place.”
A very strong argument for tongues as being divine in nature frequently referred to by proponents is a study done by the University of Pennsylvania on the phenomenon of glossolalia. In a nutshell, the study determined via SPECT imaging that when a person exhibits glossolalia, the language producing areas of the brain are not really engaged; i.e. ‘tongues’ do not originate in the speech center of the brain. These results have been used to support its supposed divine origins or that a person is not in control of what s/he is saying. After reading the study, I would argue the results are exactly as what one would expect; it stands to reason the brain’s language producing center is not really being engaged simply because glossolalia is not language. It’s just free vocalization -simply playing with sounds does not require the language producing centers in the brain to be overly engaged. The results of the UP study are inconclusive at best in that they can be skewed to equally support either argument.
What I have also noticed is that any glossolalia that is non-Christian is automatically deemed “demonic” in origin by Christian practitioners despite the fact it’s produced the exact same way. Non-Christian practitioners of glossolalia (and schizophrenic glossolalics for that matter) are speaking and producing their glossolalia in the EXACT same way Pentecostal/Charismatic Christians are - it can’t be stressed enough that there is absolutely ZERO difference between what they are doing and what Pentecostal/Charismatic Christians are doing. For any Christian practitioner to think that simply because they are Christian and these other practitioners are not, that what these others are doing is somehow “Satanic”, “demonic”, or “false” in nature (even though you’re both doing the exact same thing in the exact same way), is utter nonsense and religiocentric in the absolute extreme.
Biblical “tongues” (in Greek - ‘glossa’, but also ‘dialektos’) as referenced particularly in Acts and Corinthians is to always be translated and understood as real language(s), not ecstatic utterances. The only ecstatic utterances may have been those imported into the church in Corinth by converts who came from non-Christian traditions where glossolalia was quite common (e.g. Temple of Aphrodite in Corinth).
Perhaps you should set your sights next on "debunking" the sacraments. Don't need to be a linguist for that one. A short trip under the microscope will clearly show bread and wine and no divinity in sight.
That is sarcasm, of course.
Can you tell me how or why I fell to the ground in an ecstasy of joy and peace unlike anything I had ever experienced or even imagined when I was first prayed over by a priest? Can you tell me how or why a human being alone can just instantly produce a previously never experienced heavenly bliss accompanied by a deep and profound change of life that has lasted 30 years so far? Do you claim that it's chemicals run amuck? I ingested no foreign substances, so according to your "scientific" logic it ought to be reproducible - what, by will? But I didn't will it. Nevertheless if all spiritual experience is reducible to the material, then someone like you could make billions and probably trillions packaging and selling it. Because it can't be spiritual, right? It can't be from God. It must be material causes, right? I wonder why this hasn't been done yet with all the smart scientific people running around out there.
Can you tell me how or why, on another occasion shortly after, I first spoke in tongues in an explosive, loud, powerful and virtually "uncontrollable" manner even though I had not seen this before or particularly wanted/expected that to happen? Can you tell me why it was accompanied by the same sense of joy and peace but also intensified due to the overt physical participation that I had in it? I was not intending to "play with sounds" or "freely vocalize" like jungle dwellers dancing around a fire calling on the Moon god or anything. I got prayed over at a prayer meeting. It is you who equate this life-changing enduringly blessed experience to just mindlessly and foolishly blabbing away, so you must have further insights, given your scientific acumen and all, into this phenomenon. How do you claim I generate this when my experience shows me that I really can't? I cannot reproduce an ecstasy of joy and peace by my will. I cannot summon an overwhelming experience of God's presence, love, power, by willing it. If I could, I would no doubt do so as often as possible because it's better than anything.
Can you tell me how or why such things happened to me even though I had never previously wanted/expected or even thought about them? I had never sought those experiences qua experiences. I was not in any kind of heightened emotional state beforehand. I was never hysterical. I am very logical and rational, though passionate person. Probably over-sensitive but definitely not hyper or out of touch with reality. If people like you want to claim that everything spiritual is explainable via the material world and physics, be my guest. Go ahead and explain it, demonstrate it, reproduce it.
You cannot, of course. You cannot reproduce the fruit, the changes in the soul, that accompany an authentic experience of God.
I have no interest in "playing with sounds." That's absurd, except as some sort of silly game. I am not playing games. These things happened to me - many times. Scripture speaks about the same things and I can relate exactly to what it describes and the meaning behind it. What is that, a coincidence? No, I was not studying or even reading this stuff before it happened to me. I didn't dream about speaking in tongues. It's not even appealing, looking from an objective position outside the phenomenon, but that's not the point. It's an incredible experience and it feels wonderful, but that's because God is at the center of it, and apparently was His idea.
I believe that one of the reasons God does this is precisely to confound people who think they are wise in their own estimation. He gives people who think they are smarter than Him plenty of outlets for their pride so that only the humble can draw near to Him. He says this in various ways in Scripture. But you would have to be a fool to believe that God speaks to man, right? : )
You should listen to the sermons of Father Chad Ripperger on "Speaking in tongues", etc.( exorcist's view)
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The holy Spirit never works in uncontrollable manner
@@mellisugahelenae yes and he also says don't trust feelings. These can be easily manipulated by Satan.
@@carynschmidt5061man changed his life and dedicated to God and this could be of satan. Interesting 🫤
Speaking in tongues is real.we need to look for truth .
How a father can explain you , something that he never experiment , st Paul say in 1 Corinthians 14:2 " when you speak in tongues you don't speak to man but to God".if Father say how to verify if is truth , that is lacking of faith .
Another point is if an EXORCIST which this priest is he has a PHD also tells us it can open you up to evil spirits then he would know better than the average priest which he is not.
Neither the bible nor the Church say that speaking in tongues opens you up to evil spirits.
Actually no one can be certain whether it's of God or not, but if the fruit of the Holy Spirit is present in such person then even if the language is gibberish I still consider it coming from God, I only judge base on the fruit.
Speaking in tongues is very real.
1 Corinthians- 13:8 But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
Please do not mislead the people
Sensus Fidelium,
I know these priests do not wish their identity revealed. Is this particular sermon part of a series on the charismatic gifts? If so, is there anywhere I can find the other part of the series? Thank you
that right materdeiparish.com/sermons/ will have more. This priest is the lower link in this link
@@SensusFidelium That’s my church!
Hi, you're a Catholic. I'm a Catholic. Your video about speaking in tongues is a bit judgemental. These are not things that are wrong. They are just things you can't verify. First, I don't speak in tongues in real life but I have prayed in spirit in my dreams. Second my opinion, God looks at intent and you know something by its fruits. You talked about humbling themselves. This is charismatic gift AKA charisma. God wants worship in either way. Jesus might have been meditating. But David shouted. You also said about understanding new languages. This is one of the 4 gifts of tongues. So you had a quarter truth. This was many years ago. We have praying in tongues AKA gift of prayer - Where I speak to God directly. We have gift of tongue you talk about which needs interpretation. We also have singing in tongues. St. Theresa of Avila also prayed in tongues personally no interpretation was needed. Can you fake? Whether it's fake or real it's up to your faith. As James said, you must not expect to receive anything from the Lord. The other concept St. Augustine said the Holy Spirit is all reneweing. God changes his works thy purpose unchanged. It's now time to embrace charismatic gifts. You still can't verify healings and apparitions only 1-10% are verified by the church. If you need verification you may as well be a scientist. Now gifts of tongues is NOT in any way inferior. Paul said he prays in tongues more than 'other apostles' It's just you have to accompany it with love. Search "is gift of tongues catholic?" DivineUK The spirit is opposed to the flesh all these laughs, seizures, tongues will not make you comfortable at first.
30 minutes Before mass I pray using the gift of tongue wholeheartedly and usually found myself in tears during the mass and when receiving holy communion. My disposition to Eucharist and confession has change ,my peace and encounter with the Lord is more frequent. I hope more people will be bless with these gift.
the gift is for the Church to benefit not personal…Hope you are paying attention
@@pepper72375Paul actually talks about tongues for personal edification. 1 Corinthians 14:4
What are the benefits of this to God and his church?
@@tomski2671 tongues for personal edification ends up benefiting the church as a whole. It’s like saying why do people living a healthy lifestyle benefit their family? Smh
@@juboy04 I don't think so, it makes no sense. For example if the line was translated impropriety or pulled out of its context improperly. It's meaning might be opposite of our interpretation.
Is there a benefit of keeping gifts from God to ourselves? I believe other parts of the Bible speak to this.
Tongues are meant for 'unbelievers'. The Bible tells us to 'Pray all the time, asking for what you need, praying in the Spirit on every
possible occasion. (Eph 6:18). The people who are against tongues are those who don't have the gift. In Acts 8 the Samaritans welcomed the word of God with great joy. Peter and John went there and when they laid hands on them they received the Holy Spirit. How did they know? They knew because like Cornelius in Acts 10 they spoke in the heavenly language, that was the evidence.
Thank you for this! 🙏
I don’t see why the Holy Spirit would give people the gift of tounges if nobody can understand them. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of clarity as Bp Mar Mari has explained. I have never seen, heard or even slightly mentioned from anyone or any priests amongst my relatives and their friends in the Vietnamese Catholic communities in the US and Vietnam about anyone speaking in tongues, even when I was growing up there many decades ago. By that I mean someone speaking gibberish none of us can understand.
Never appreciated the gift of tongues. Its scary, unbeneficial and dangerous. Agree with this wonderful priest. Prefer to keep my prayer simple and to avoid protestant pentecostal style of praying in gibberish frightening sounds which does not sound holy at all
We all know that speaking in tongue is a special gift from the Holy Spirit. How can the 3rd person of the Holy Trinity dwells in such person with out Confession. Can the Holy Spirit the true spirit of God dwells in the heart of a sinful person? For us Catholics without confessing our sins with the priest, God can not grant his forgiveness through his representative (the priest) if we ignore Confession.
Gifts of the Spirit are exactly that, gifts. No one can earn them. Remember what Jesus said, ask and it will given to you.
Do you think if you ask God for a gift of prophecy, or healing so you can glorify God and to promote his kingdom. Would he say, no? Or does God have favourites? We’re all Jesus’s disciples.
"For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. ... The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself" (1 Corinthians 14:2-4 ESV)
Best talk on this topic I’ve heard. Thank you.
Don't authoritatively speak on what you don't know or understand. That could lead souls astray. The Holy Spirit has been imparting various Charismatic gifts on the faithfuls (Christians) right from Pentecost. And I don't know why He would ever cease to do so. "All good and perfect gifts come from God" James 1:17; and "God gives generously without looking at faults" James 1:5. Agreed, some people could fake speaking in tongues, while some could be demonic. However, this does not stop the Holy Spirit from imparting the gift of tounges on some of the faithfuls. Discerment, which also comes from Him is key here. Do not limit the Holy Spirit. Discover the gifts He has given you, instead of bashing people who express/utilize the gifts He has given them.
To God and our Father be all the glory both now and forever. Amen
Why does St. Paul say in 1Cor 14,2 "the one who speaks in strange tongues does not speak to others, but to God, because no one understand him." and 1Cor 14, 4: "/he/ helps only himself". And why would the interpretation be given and needed at all? (1Cor 12,30)
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Thank you for your comment. My intention was to humbly remind the speaker of the reality of the gift of tongues, but your comment did enlarge my understanding with this communitarian vs personal dimension
God bless!
Paul is rebuking this usage...
If I spoke German in a Greek church.....
this teaching is against the latest teachings acceptable by the church and backed by the Papal office
Absolutely!!
That’s why it’s true 🙏🏻
Though I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, the term "latest teaching" indicates a reversal or substantial modification to prior teaching...and the constant teaching of the Church is that any such change cannot be Magesterial and is therefore not in force
Some charismatics would claim to have the gifts of healing and prophesy in addition to tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:9, 14,19,21,22,
14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth: but my understanding is without fruit.
19 But in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may instruct others also: than ten thousand words in a tongue.
21 In the law it is written: In other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people: and neither so will they hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to believers but to unbelievers: but prophecies, not to unbelievers but to believers.
Catholics do not fall for this Protestant heresy, just because something feels good does not mean it is from God.
We are here on Earth to reunite with God, to purify ourselves of worldly things and pleasures( the illusions of the devil). Practice purifying yourselves, practice the virtues, practice your devotions and that's all you need to worry about. If God wants you to speak in tongues or any other gift he will give it to you after you have completed those three or in an emergency for a brief time to complete a task. Don't toil in these Mysteries until you've been purified, for that is when the devil gives them to you!
Good advice! 👍 Praise God! ✝️🙌❤️
@@polassalop You have it exactly backwards. In verse 4 where St Paul writes that "he who speaks in tongues builds himself up" this is a pejorative, not a compliment. How do I know? The entire context of Ch 14 is that the gift of tongues should not be exercised unless there is someone to interpret it because otherwise it doesn't edify the Church...that's why the second half of the sentence in verse 4 is "but whoever prophecies builds up the church". By comparison: one spiritual gift in practice is proud, haughty and useless, the other is fruitful for bringing the truth of the Gospel to people.
But don't take my word for it, you can read the official teaching of the Church on Charisms in the Catechism 799-801 and Lumen Gentium 12.
BRAVO ! PERFECT ANALYSIS !
Prople are being healed from the sick and even raised from the dead though
Exactly, where? You are quick to defend it so WHERE ??
Notably, the tongues in I Cor. 14:2 (apparently gibberish) is not the same as the tongues in Acts 2:4 (foreign languages).
Because Paul is chastising the people of Corinth for the exact same things the modern Charismatics think he is advocating.
I have been in services where it is done right and it is a blessing from God. But what I see on tv with the big churches is chaos and disorder, not scriptural at all.
Totally faulty understanding of the gift of tongues. There are various manifestations of the gift, speaking in tongues is just one aspect of the gift. Sensus Fidelium Has not experienced this beautiful gift hence he is skeptical. Fact is it is a beautiful gift of prayer and Intercession. Gift of healing and miracles still happen today, people are still raised from the dead, the speaker suspects it just because it is being manifested among lay people more than priests or bishops. That’s a faulty understanding, the Holy Spirit gives his gifts to all the baptized for building up the church and for Evangelization which unfortunately the Radical traditionalists have given up on.
There is a significant difference between speaking in tongues and praying in tongues. Speaking in tongues along with interpretation of tongues is for the edification of the group/gathering/church. "Praying in tongues" may actually be a misnomer as it is actually "praying in the Spirit", and this is for the edification of the self or for personal spiritual growth.
I was born in a Catholic family, but truly had a conversion and a God experience (a cleansing by the Holy Spirit, where I experienced an indescribable interior cool feeling go up and down from my head to my toes, along with praying in tongues) at a world-famous Catholic charismatic retreat centre. That experience when I was 19 and my subsequent 17 retreats there over the next 13 years cemented and strengthened my faith and knowledge of the Catholic Church and Catholic living. My brother and I praying in the Spirit saw us being tools in the conversion of many of our choir members' families, including those who hated priests. You can know the spirits by the fruits they produce. Fr. Ripperger may not have experienced praying in tongues and its fruits.
I'm sure you're very special and your comment isn't nearly as prideful as it sounds but can you actually answer any of the questions Fr Ripperger poses? If you haven't actually watched the video, they're at the end. They are valid questions.
I wasn't given the gift of speaking in a foreign language.
However, I know (linguistically) that that is not Fr. Ripperger's voice.
It doesn't really make a difference which person is speaking, only that they are speaking the truth.
@@gray_mara when you don't know about something ,what you can do is to ask the author of all the gift ,father in is preaching he don't explains what St Paul said in 1cor 14 :2 .(the tongues that human being can't understand only God ) but Is spoke about the tongues that human being can understand in act 2 .when a tongues is like a babbling it call baby tongues ,when is a language audible without u understanding it call fullness of tongues and if you want to understand both St says you need to pray for the gift of interpretation of tongues ....know the truth and the truth will set u free🔥
@@emmanuelfolly9206 So... can you answer the questions the speaker poses at the end of the video?
And i hope you can touch again the topics on Humility and Forgiveness😇
Thank you💐🙏
Yes ended maybe you are not sure about what Spesking of tounges means., and your judging individual and critisizing others even christian., its division father and im sorry not totally agree with you., im born as a catholic but yet i believe God works in different ways and cannot put judge by no descerning and completely judge people who had spritual gifts.,. Can you ask that for your self father if you have given hope and encouragement your fellow christian, ? Well maybe you can check it out from your conscience or when you talk to God in deeper worship of your time. Father sorry but im not totally agree with you.:-) but Godbless you more in your mission and priesthood.:-)
Thx this clarifies
Sadly you are wrong.If you want to see priests with all these gifts come to India,kerala.And all ordained don't have preaching gift.
No he's not wrong.
Sad, the speaker seems to mislead himself about the Holy Spirit gift of speaking in tongues which is extensively covered in 1 Corinthians 14. He deliberately chooses to ignore the scripture and uses his inclined view to try and convince listeners. Sorry that other people may be misled. Until you have the gift of tongues which addresses God and not man, it will always be gibberish, just as some people in Acts 2 talked of " drunken" men/people.
And it clearly states that it must be interpreted.
The scripture in 1 Corinthians 14:2, talks about the gift of tongues for praying ( in mysteries and also) directly to God...which type does not need to be interpreted, while the other type "prophetic" tongues need interpretation. Try to read the whole chapter (14) with an open mind and the richness of the word of God will come out clearly, blessings!
Good News Translation, which is pretty much plain English…
“14:4 Those who speak in strange tongues help only themselves, but those who proclaim God's message help the whole church.
14:5 I would like for all of you to speak in strange tongues; but I would rather that you had the gift of proclaiming God's message. For the person who proclaims God's message is of greater value than the one who speaks in strange tongues-unless there is someone present who can explain what is said, so that the whole church may be helped.
14:6 So when I come to you, my friends, what use will I be to you if I speak in strange tongues? Not a bit, unless I bring you some revelation from God or some knowledge or some inspired message or some teaching.
14:7 Take such lifeless musical instruments as the flute or the harp-how will anyone know the tune that is being played unless the notes are sounded distinctly?
14:8 And if the one who plays the bugle does not sound a clear call, who will prepare for battle?
14:9 In the same way, how will anyone understand what you are talking about if your message given in strange tongues is not clear? Your words will vanish in the air!
14:10 There are many different languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.
14:11 But if I do not know the language being spoken, those who use it will be foreigners to me and I will be a foreigner to them.
14:12 Since you are eager to have the gifts of the Spirit, you must try above everything else to make greater use of those which help to build up the church.
14:13 The person who speaks in strange tongues, then, must pray for the gift to explain what is said.
14:14 For if I pray in this way, my spirit prays indeed, but my mind has no part in it.
14:15 What should I do, then? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray also with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will sing also with my mind.
14:16 When you give thanks to God in spirit only, how can ordinary people taking part in the meeting say “Amen” to your prayer of thanksgiving? They have no way of knowing what you are saying.
14:17 Even if your prayer of thanks to God is quite good, other people are not helped at all.
14:18 I thank God that I speak in strange tongues much more than any of you.
14:19 But in church worship I would rather speak five words that can be understood, in order to teach others, than speak thousands of words in strange tongues.
14:20 Do not be like children in your thinking, my friends; be children so far as evil is concerned, but be grown up in your thinking.
14:21 ⓘ In the Scriptures it is written, “By means of people speaking strange languages I will speak to my people, says the Lord. I will speak through lips of foreigners, but even then my people will not listen to me.”
14:22 So then, the gift of speaking in strange tongues is proof for unbelievers, not for believers, while the gift of proclaiming God's message is proof for believers, not for unbelievers.
14:23 If, then, the whole church meets together and everyone starts speaking in strange tongues-and if some ordinary people or unbelievers come in, won't they say that you are all crazy?”
Side shows, carnival acts😂😂
Is this Fr. Robert Altier? It doesn't say who it is, but it sounds like him.
Lucy Marion no.
@@SensusFidelium okay, thank you!
Me being a Catholic a am surprised that your saying this is gibberish. I am from India and here we give priority to Charismatic ways of praying. Father you don't know the number of miracles that has happened here anyway even if you see it on UA-cam you wouldn't understand the language cause it is the spirit that is filling us body mind and soul with tremendous faith. I myself was not a charismatic itself but recently 1n half weeks before the feast of pentecost I got a word from God to fast for 10 days and pray for the people . Ha!! a person like me who used to listen to dubstep and rock and heavy metal and werid movies and was under a lot of depression . so began and I was in charismatic the whole 10 day and when ever I pary and open the bible I only get versus related to the holysprit the whole time/10days imagine me a guy who sinned badly obviously I did confess to a preist that was very important . And on the last day or during the feast of pentecost my wife and me prayed the whole night and prayed in toungs and my 2nhalf year old son was asleep and the fan in full speed and I started to pray in full strength I was praying for more than kneeling down praying in toungs I got to see Jesus and by the way there is a diffence between imagination N seeing in a vision trust me I felt it and I saw the holysprit in human form but I couldn't see the hands or face or legs but in full robe white and full bright and I went full power praying in toungs praise and worship and after itwas over my wife held my hand by mistake and I was the only one sweating and you can believe it or not normally its was suppose to be my wife who sweats more and In regular life I don't sweat much like what happened in the last day of pentecost in my room at 11 to 1 ish am non stop and my door was locked and while praying I felt a evil presence out side my door I wanted to should get out but I couldn't. Imagine a person like me who used to go to pubs and clubs and night parties and full on alcohol and etc. Remember even the angels shout out loud to praise God. There were so many visions I received but don't want to explain it now. My uncle who is a Catholic priest I explained to him everything. Trust me it's a different experience. I m not worried about other Christian groups. But what I experienced was truly truly amazing I tell you. Sorry if there are errors in typing I'm at a public place. I hope this will help out Catholic people. If you need father son n holysprit we'll get out of you comfortable zone Jesus didn't die on a comfortable couch but he died on a cross I a lot and I am lot of pain. You need something kneel down and pray for hours that is how God will rest your patience and give you what you desire. Most of us kneel down on rocks or pray and kneel walk on hot sunny afternoon for Jesus. My fingers are paining anything revert back.
Thank you for your comment
Sound sermon. Thank you.
How should one pray to the lord and ask for the gift of healing to be a instrument for him ?
You sound very young with the gift of the gab and without the Holy Spirit in your priest hood you will not have the power to lay hands to heal the sick or do a deliverance You will be the ordinary every day run of the mill you will get bored and want to resign in time to come especial when you see lay people doing some things that you can not do DO A LIFE IN THE SPIRIT SEMINAR AND YOUR EYES WILL OPEN or carry on doing what you do every till the day you die without bearing any fruit
Your friend Joe From S.A
Aha. So. It's this lust for power that drives it.
@ Joe Simon It is satanic pride that leads you to believe in heretical teachings and participate in gibberish.
I was yesterday in an one day Charismatic conference. I sat on the back reading a book and observing. It's a stage act with clumsy showmanship. They don't know anything about the Holy Spirit, not according to the Bible, not according to tradition, not according to sane doctrine and teaching of the Church.
After Paul's completion of the bible..There was no need for tongues because when that "which is perfect/in completion has come"..tongues would be done away with,1Cor.13:10-12.
AJaXX JaM the Devils work is tongues
Kevin Odell That's right..a form of mystism and occult practices. A perversion of true tongues that are no longer in effect.
Kevin Odell Constant reminder that Satan is the god of this world system..and he mimicks god with false or fake signs and lying wonders.
Whether real or imagined.. signs and wonders..it's all coming from Satan.
If Paul had raised someone from the Dead , we would know that as well .
Much of what you doscuss is right but you are off on the bit regarding tongues. 2 different kinds of manifestation are 1. public which is referred to in chapter 12 of 1 Cor. and should be interpreted for the benefit of the gatherers. It is different from the 2nd manifestation which is private language the Holy Spirit speaks uses while in personal devotion. You are correct in your observation that these gifts are often misused as a result of lack of any proper leadership, training, authority and discernment. When Paul spoke of praying in tongues" more than all of you" he made it plain in this context that in public worship an understandable speaking is to be used.
I was praying the Holy Rosary when I first started speaking in tongues. God works in mysterious ways. It's better not to speak about something you don't have a full knowledge of. God bless you all.
Charles A. Asamoah perhaps you ought take your own advice
Thomas Michael The Bible makes it clear that the apostles prayed in tongues but Paul advocates that we do it in private. Please refer to 1 Corinthians 14:14-19. The Catechism of the Catholic Church doesn't condemn praying in tongues either.
Let's be careful not to fall into the sin of pride, the sin that toppled Lucifer, if we are not learned in the field, what we think we have could be diabolical!
I used to be very skeptical - like, yeah, right - it's the miracle and gift, which can not be done by someone who says 11 a.m tomorrow, we'll start speaking in tongues. But recently I re-read the passage from the letters of Paul (somewhere? Corinthians, may be?) where he encourages to speak in tongues, but also says to shut up, if you can not translate what you speak. Yet he tells not to forbid the practice.
That's a Protestant misinterpretation of the Bible. The modern version is a bunch of Protestant nonsense.
T-Dog, it’s the same New Testament not a different set of books. The only error here is your ignorance toward the sacred texts here described where St. Paul writes explicitly “do not forbid speaking in tongues” and “despise not prophesying”.
@@danieldefoncewhy only the gibberish type of tongues today ??
Paul stated in his First Epistle to the Corinthians that “A man who speaks in tongues is talking not to men but to God. No one understands him, because he utters mysteries in the Spirit” (14:2). It’s evident that St. Paul saw a value in tongues, “I should like it if all of you spoke in tongues” (14:4) and “Thank God I speak in tongues more than any of you” (14:18).
I draw your attention to verse 2.....no one understands him because he utters mysteries in the Spirit. Father what you are preaching is only half of the truth. The Gift of Tongues was used by certain saints to speak in a language foreign to them that much is true, St Francis Xavier being the cardinal example, but equally in the history of the church and all through it's history the charisma have been present.
Saint Teresa of Avila Doctor of the Church prayed in tongues and in fact wrote a whole chapter on it in the interior castle. Many monks through the centuries have been known in the privacy of their cells to burst forth in jubilant praise and worship in tongues such was the force of supernatural joy that filled their hearts.
Tongues have ALWAYS been present in the Church and just because it's not your lived experience does not mean that they are gibberish. We have to be very careful about attributing the things of God to being made up or from a worse source.......if they truly are from God and we say otherwise.......I think we are in deep trouble!!!
William McGuire thanks 4 your comments.....so much confusion . Could u please tell me what chapter St Teresa Avila talks about tongues? I would love to hear what a dr of church says....Also , I recall reading in bible something about "gift of interpretation"....so I always assumed this meant a "divine" speech that could not be learned.
"Tongues have ALWAYS been present in the Church" Really?
1 Corinthian 14: 13-19, Paul speaks about how mentally fruitless tongues is without interpretation for oneself and for everyone else. This is significant since the single highest law is to love the Lord your God with all one's soul AND mind, not neglecting the latter.
1 Corinthian 14: 20-25, Paul speaks about tongues being meant for foreigners and unbelievers, not for those in the faith. This is contrary to much "speaking in tongues" which occurs today. Prophesying is the gift for believers.
1 Corinthian 14: 26-33, Paul instructs the faithful to not speak in tongues unless there is one to interpret. He also says to keep one's peace until an individual is finished (which rarely occurs in Charismatic meetings).
1 Corinthian 14: 36-40, Paul erges people to desire prophesy and allow tongues BUT to do so discretely and orderly.
Catechism of the Catholic Church (768) furthermore says that charismatic gifts are for missionary purposes of edifying others (from Lumen Gentium).
St. Teresa of Avila also greatly warns all who asks for charismatic gifts, for "when a person has a great desire, he convinces himself he is seeing or hearing what he desires." Thus we must desire gifts for no other good than God himself lest we fool others and ourselves that we have a gift from God which is actually of the world, flesh, or devil.
If someone claims to have such gifts, love them but “test all things and hold fast to that which is true.” -1 Thessalonians 5
Fully agreed Nathan, only the Scripture quotes are necessary though. The Theresa of Avila and Cathecism are one of the few occasions when Roman Catholic doctrine is derived from Scripture.
There is no decret prayer language.
Yes ended maybe you are notnalsonsure about what Spesking of tounges means., and your judging individual and critisizing others even christian., its division father and im sorry not totally agree with you., invorn as a catholic but yet i believe God works in different ways and cannot put judge by no descerning and completely judge people who had spritual gifts.,. Can you ask that for your self father if you have given hope and encouragement yo fellow christian, ? Well maybe you can check it out from your conscience or when you talk to God in deeper worship of your time. Father sorry but im not totally agree with you.:-) but Godbless you more in your mission and priesthood.:-)
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and your point is that you can copy/paste from wikipedia? what is your point, exactly?
Thank you, thank you Father 🙏
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Thanks to the false understanding of Charles F. Parham in 1901
Thank you! Very helpful and informative!
Its definitely a gift from God to help others ❤❤❤
You don't know what you're actually saying, so how would you know from who and where it came from? Don't be so complacent, the devil is clever.
I don't understand why there is no background information on this. Like, who is the priest? Where and when did he give this talk?
This priests’ analysis is flawed at nearly every level. His needlessly pejorative descriptions and head-spinningly inconsistent argumentation border on sins against charity and truth.
-His main argument is that the gift of tongues is miraculously speaking in a foreign language, and not speaking in incomprehensible words.
First, it’s clear from scripture that that’s not the only sense in which the term ‘tongues’ is used. 1 Corinthians 14 shows that it can also be a form of private devotion, (“Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves” 1 Cor 14:4) and that it isn’t always intelligible (“The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.” 1 Cor 14:5, “I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.” 1 Cor 14:18-19 etc). Whatever definition Paul is actually talking about, if Paul were around today this priest would call Corinth a carnival side show.
Second, even if the priest is correct in saying that tongues as described in the Bible is only speaking in foreign languages, that doesn’t prove that the ‘tongues’ phenomenon isn’t a gift, only that it’s been mislabeled. The list of gifts given in scripture is intended to be a representative list, not an exhaustive one.
-He also complains that tongues aren’t falsifiable, and are the only gifts that can be faked. I suppose he thinks soul reading can be confirmed in a laboratory. He claims that an ordained individual can possess the gift of preaching, even if he’s not a good preacher… sounds falsifiable to me! Does he think it’s impossible to fake the gift of faith? It’s funny how he boldly preaches all sorts of beliefs and practices which aren’t falsifiable, but becomes conveniently skeptical when those beliefs or practices don’t fit his personal preferences.
With regard to his three problems
1. ‘Why would God have one person speak gibberish and have another person translate? It’s needlessly complicating things’
First, gibberish is perjorative and uncharitable, second, this question could be applied to what he believes is the authentic gift of tongues: why would God give someone the grace to speak a language that no one in the Corinthian congregation understood, requiring someone else in the congregation to have the gift of interpretation? How is that not needlessly complicating things?
2. ‘Why is this the only gift that has come back after a 2000 year hiatus?’
This line of argument in truly bizarre. Does he believe that the gift of faith has taken a 2000 year hiatus? That no one has been able to discern spirits since the time of the apostles? The gifts have been around throughout the history of the Church, and the priests’ own examples (Padre Pio, Don Bosco, the gift of preaching) prove that! Go to the Wikipedia page on Glossolalia and read St. Augustine’s commentary on jubilation, or St. Patrick describing how “I was astonished and wondering, and I pondered who it could be who was praying within me.” Would it be appropriate or charitable to label what they’re describing as gibberish?
As for the question of why tongues is common today, and yet we don’t see people being raised from the dead, the answer seems obvious: tongues are the least of the spiritual gifts, so it makes sense that they’re widespread, and raising people from the dead is one of the greatest spiritual gifts, so it’s relatively uncommon. Where’s the problem?
And again, why does he think tongues is the only gift that can be faked?
3. ‘What would be the point of these gifts now?’
For devotion and edification (1 Cor 14:4).
Any gift of the spirit can be faked or abused (e.g. the priests example of heretics having the gift of preaching), and these may be widespread with tongues, but that doesn’t give the priest license to arbitrarily and categorically dismiss them. It would be bad enough if this sermon were just intellectually bankrupt, but it is also sowing the seeds of pointless division between the traditionalist movement, and other movements in the Church where orthodoxy and the spiritual/devotional life are being revived (e.g. Scott Hahn/Stubenville Ohio) which include the speaking of tongues.
you love that word perjorative but you are using it incorrectly and spelling it incorrectly. It is pejorative.......
hermajesty52 "Pejorative: a word or phrase that has negative connotations or that is intended to disparage or belittle"
I am using the word correctly. Words and phrases like "gibberish" and "carnival side show" most certainly fall under this definition.
You've read my comment closely enough to spot the fact that I used the same word twice and misspelled it once. Do you have any comments on the content?
DrOman5596 I recently attended a "Life in the Spirit" seminar and received the "Baptism" of the Holy Spirit. We were encouraged to just begin "babbling" (this is the real word used) because that is how the gift would eventually come, (after the laying on of hands of course). We were also told the "gift of tongues" is not a real language, rather it is an unintelligible language the Holy Spirit is manifesting through us, for no one else but oneself. This is really what we were told. We were told the gift of tongues is not for others but , rather it is the "perfect prayer" to God because it comes from the Holy Spirit, even though the person does not know what he/she is saying. I was so confused and every time I asked a question for clarification, eventually part of the response would be that "overanalyzing" leads to blocking the Spirit. So, in what we were told, it seemed very much like they were saying I was merely a puppet that did not know or understand what I was saying to God, but it didn't matter because the Holy Spirit was doing it all for me.
Anyway, that was my experience. I would say I think what the priest is trying to get at here, is that the gift of raising people from the dead, healing, reading souls, etc. is a lot more difficult to fake because if the dead person did not come back alive, well, you know the gift is not there. If you read someone's soul but told that person stuff about them that is not true, well, that person knows you do not have the gift of reading souls. If a sick person is not healed of their illness after you pray over them, then it's evident the gift of healing is not present. So I think that's what he means, that with those gifts, it's a lot easier to conclude whether the gift is present or not. But if a gift is unintelligible speak, then it's extremely hard to determine whether it's present or not, because essentially, the gift is not meant to be understood, (and in the case of my leadership, isn't even understood by the person saying it). So the person could be making it all up but you'd never know it, where if the gift was say, raising the dead, you'd definitely know.
that right Those explanations and methods are definitely suspect. I've never encountered them in the charismatic prayer meetings that I've attended. But keep in mind that poorly formed Catholics saying and doing weird things isn't unique to charismatics. There are many TLM chapels where people will speak with straight faces and in hushed tones about how Pope Francis is a secret free mason enacting the final stages of a centuries long plot to bring about a one world government.
Your point about tongues being easier to fake is well taken, but I think charity and intellectual honesty should prevent us from drawing the conclusion that all people claiming to speak in tongues are just speaking gibberish. In 1 Cor 14 Paul talks extensively about the gift of tongues, and it's clear that the gift was commonplace, that people couldn't understand each other, and that there was a danger that outsiders would think the corinthians were out of their minds.
I agree with everything you've stated here. Unfortunately, I've distanced myself from particular devotions to Our Lady's apparitions because I've found extreme, conspiratorial, schismatic behavior that, in my opinion, does not seem to come from God. I still believe Our Lady appeared at Fatima and I still believe in the miracle, but I no longer feel at easy joining groups that seem to take this to a whole other level. After this experience with the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" (quotations because it really is NOT a baptism), I don't assume and/or doubt EVERY person is either making it up or possessed by demons, but I'm also no longer interested in being part of their spirituality. A priest, a deacon and a religious sister were the ones that offered this seminar at my parish. I can understand lay Catholics being uninformed but I think our leaders should be held to a higher standard.
Thank God for the Charismatic Movement. You can't understand the Holy Ghost until receive it.
I haven't seen or heard anyone understand "it" even after they have received "it".
If the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth (and He is), then we don't need a particular charism to understand Him. You sound like a gnostic talking about special knowledge.
You need to search the scriptures. Until then, you need not comment.
@@antdell8730 I know the scriptures relatively well and I have studied the Church's teaching on Charisms. What you wrote matches neither, so actually I am compelled to comment in order to rebuke your false teaching and help the faithful avoid being led astray by you.
You missed the part about spiritual discernment and revelation. We don't know all, but God gives wisdom to those that ask it of him!
I'm not Catholic. so God bless
The Charismatic movement has the Kundalini Spirit (false Holy Spirit from Hinduism) it's not Christian and it's especially not Catholic.
I grew up in a pretty progressive Catholic church. They combined the Eucharistic Processions with the Charismatic movement. We would react, start laughing, etc etc. It felt like a mockery to me. Jesus was mocked enough during the crowning of the thorns and the carrying of the cross and especially in this modernism heresy.