Back in the very late 90s, MTL in Liverpool were selling off their ex LT Titans at the unbelievably cheap price of £300 !! After raising the cash needed I was disappointed to find out about the tyres that were on lease at an astronomical price. Im glad people are working to preserve the best ever double deck bus with the exception of the Metropolitan Scania .
In the 60's and 70's my mum and dad were always taking me around London. Good assortment of London buses then, great times. Then about '75 I saw this new type of bus on route 24, but they called it the B15.
@@ROCKINGMAN DMS heralded the modern shape of the Ts and MCW Metropolitan Scanias and in turn the Metrobus. Those vents were for a purpose I forget. Only the last batches received the Delorean style chutes.
I did have the pleasure of driving that old girl at BX when I was there from 94 to 98, there used to be a garage number system as to what was a good one, with a score from 1 to 10, 1 being the worst thing you could ever use, biggest problem at BX was that NX, Q and PM used to swap our good buses for there older crap. T1060 we had used to have a rear axle from an airbus so could eventually get to do 70 on the motorway, but show it a hill and forget it.🤣🤣
The Titan was an integrally built vehicle with subframes which was probably overly complicated by the requirements of London Transport. As a result it was expensive and limited in appeal. The Olympian was a much simplified version of the Titan which had a separate chassis and was thus suitable to be bodied by the bodywork of the operator's choice. This made it cheaper with a wider appeal and could also be bodied as a low height vehicle. There are a few other differences too but that's the main one.
Still a very state of the art looking decker. The Leyland National influence helped there. That looks like it's one of the later batch from 83 or 84 going by the scroll badge. I always liked that one on the Titan better than the round L badge. Edit: upon review I see it's ex 1080. Among the last few built.
@@JakeSCOC They really are a modern equivalent of a Routemaster. First 250 were built at AEC Southall and Park Royal in London, they ended up practically exclusive to LT, were of integral construction and had an electro pneumatic fluid flywheel gearbox with auto mode. At least for me, they were iconic and as much of an attraction to visiting London as the RM-Ls in the 1990s. PS they even built a rear engine prototype Routemaster. The Titan really became it's spiritual production model!
@@jamesfrench7299 Yes it's a shame they didn't become more widespread. I personally prefer a Titan to an Oly if I'm honest. Our other one former 553 is going to be kept as a single door bus. She's currently having and interior makeover too to make her a bit more NBC!
@@JakeSCOC I heard from an ex driver they were a really well built and designed product and a delight to drive with good power. The Olympian was simpler but more backwards in many ways. The Titan was really technically advanced but were pretty sophisticated which made maintenance finnicky. LT clearly were used to them and it helped they bought so many and had the staff with knew how to look after them. PS another thing to back up my "argument" over it being an RM successor was air over hydraulic brakes!
@@deanrampling9532 I didn't drive any of the BX ones, only the PM ones and the occasional NX one. Took my test at BX though so I probably saw this old girl...
@@JakeSCOC that’s really excellent to hear and look forward to seeing it when it’s done. I used to catch these in South East London on the route to Catford and around Lewisham back in the day.
@@dennisblake2498 I learned to drive buses on these - the London Central ones - so have a big soft spot for them. She's currently waiting in queue for the restoration to start. She will be a big job but it's a few years off.
I was so glad to see the front door excavated. Thank goodness the centre door wasn't filled in as some got with subsequent owners. Cannot understand the UK's penchant for single door buses.
why the clowns called it a leyland when its got a Gardner engine in i do not know, same with the Daimler feetline which had a Leyland 0.680 engine. some one is acting the goat.
It is weird that they chose to put in Leyland engines in the DMS instead of the normally chosen Gardner, then fit Gardners to all the Leyland Titans. My theory is that because of all the trouble they had with the Daimler F Fleetlines they chose to go with the Gardner option with the Titans hoping that would ensure reliability.
No as an operstor. It just doesn't work like that. The basic design here, is a Leyland Olympian. That is its designation. It can have differing engines for a specific job or area, as well as different bodywork too. It happens with cars too with different engine types offered in differing cars. That can be down to a specific reason relating to the terrain the vehicle is mostly going to encounter, or even emission levels not being met by the original engine for a specific country. It is still the car that the purchaser wanted, as it is mostly what the vehicle gives the potential owner that is most important, not necessarily the name on a block under the bonnet. Same for a bus.
The Japanese manufacturers believe the engine is the heart of the product hence why they have steadfastly stuck with their own engines despite struggling to meet emission requirements for years. They just won't entertain the thought of sticking in a foreign made engine Iin their trucks.
You sound like the kind of person that drives an electric car? Firstly these aren't run day in and day out. I think this particular one was last run last year at some point. Secondly, if everything old was sent to the scrap yard, how would we teach the next generation about the transport of yesterday? You'll probably answer by a book or video, but nothing beats seeing things in the flesh.
The loony greens conveniently forget the environmental impact of making new Vs reusing existing. It's called whole lifecycle analysis, it's generally ignored by politicians for financial gain, IE ,taxation on the new product.
"Thanks for Watching" it says at the end. Thank you for posting. Hope eventually she rides out again.
You're welcome. I'm sure she will
Ah yes, I remember riding on these in the mid 90's around central London. Most of them I rode on were on the 8, 25, and 38 routes.
I went to school in Bexley Village and remember when the first Titans started to replace the Fleetlines as they were so much nicer to travel on.
I like the DMS but I have to agree that the Titans have the edge.
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Back in the very late 90s, MTL in Liverpool were selling off their ex LT Titans at the unbelievably cheap price of £300 !! After raising the cash needed I was disappointed to find out about the tyres that were on lease at an astronomical price. Im glad people are working to preserve the best ever double deck bus with the exception of the Metropolitan Scania .
Goodness that was cheap. Yes the rental tyres and in some cases VAT can certainly bump up the price.
good luck and look forward to seeing her running again remember her from bromley drove her a few times in the early 90's
Thanks Steve.
Drove Titans from brand new when they arrived at West Ham garage. Good luck with the restoration 😊
Thanks. They're cracking motors.
@@JakeSCOC Hope not!
Thanks for saving her. Looking forward to updates.
No problem
Fantastic news, I bode you good luck on your restoration work!
Thanks very much. It's a very very long term restoration but she's very muhh loved.
In the 60's and 70's my mum and dad were always taking me around London. Good assortment of London buses then, great times. Then about '75 I saw this new type of bus on route 24, but they called it the B15.
That would have been the prototype which looked different to the final product.
@@jamesfrench7299 B15 was Leyland project B15 such B20, remember those horrible DMS' with vents at the rear? Wasn't keen on any of these.
@@ROCKINGMAN DMS heralded the modern shape of the Ts and MCW Metropolitan Scanias and in turn the Metrobus.
Those vents were for a purpose I forget. Only the last batches received the Delorean style chutes.
Very interesting, lot of work required though.
Oh yes. Going to be a fair few years yet...
I did have the pleasure of driving that old girl at BX when I was there from 94 to 98, there used to be a garage number system as to what was a good one, with a score from 1 to 10, 1 being the worst thing you could ever use, biggest problem at BX was that NX, Q and PM used to swap our good buses for there older crap.
T1060 we had used to have a rear axle from an airbus so could eventually get to do 70 on the motorway, but show it a hill and forget it.🤣🤣
I passed my test at BX and worked at PM. I always think it's strange that I probably walked past 1080 and didn't even notice her 😂
Forgive my ignorance, but what are the differences between a titan and the olympians we had in Yorkshire?
The Titan was an integrally built vehicle with subframes which was probably overly complicated by the requirements of London Transport. As a result it was expensive and limited in appeal. The Olympian was a much simplified version of the Titan which had a separate chassis and was thus suitable to be bodied by the bodywork of the operator's choice. This made it cheaper with a wider appeal and could also be bodied as a low height vehicle. There are a few other differences too but that's the main one.
@@JakeSCOC did not know london was so particular. Thanks for that. 👍
Still a very state of the art looking decker. The Leyland National influence helped there.
That looks like it's one of the later batch from 83 or 84 going by the scroll badge. I always liked that one on the Titan better than the round L badge.
Edit: upon review I see it's ex 1080. Among the last few built.
Yes T1080 which now joins T553 in our little collection.
@@JakeSCOC They really are a modern equivalent of a Routemaster.
First 250 were built at AEC Southall and Park Royal in London, they ended up practically exclusive to LT, were of integral construction and had an electro pneumatic fluid flywheel gearbox with auto mode.
At least for me, they were iconic and as much of an attraction to visiting London as the RM-Ls in the 1990s.
PS they even built a rear engine prototype Routemaster. The Titan really became it's spiritual production model!
@@jamesfrench7299 Yes it's a shame they didn't become more widespread. I personally prefer a Titan to an Oly if I'm honest. Our other one former 553 is going to be kept as a single door bus. She's currently having and interior makeover too to make her a bit more NBC!
@@JakeSCOC I heard from an ex driver they were a really well built and designed product and a delight to drive with good power.
The Olympian was simpler but more backwards in many ways.
The Titan was really technically advanced but were pretty sophisticated which made maintenance finnicky. LT clearly were used to them and it helped they bought so many and had the staff with knew how to look after them.
PS another thing to back up my "argument" over it being an RM successor was air over hydraulic brakes!
Will you try to save the stagecoach titan in Autocar too?
No I doubt it. I have too many already
@@JakeSCOC not to worry, me and a bunch of enthusiasts might try to save it from Wealsden for restoration, though it may end up in Northamptonshire
Was it a NX bus New Cross Garage think so ?
BX in later years.
Was actually one of the better titans I drove at bx
@@deanrampling9532 I didn't drive any of the BX ones, only the PM ones and the occasional NX one. Took my test at BX though so I probably saw this old girl...
Proper Bus!😂
Please keep the front and rear doors, it’s better as an original piece of transport history .
When done she'll be restored as a London Central bus with both both doors.
@@JakeSCOC that’s really excellent to hear and look forward to seeing it when it’s done. I used to catch these in South East London on the route to Catford and around Lewisham back in the day.
@@dennisblake2498 I learned to drive buses on these - the London Central ones - so have a big soft spot for them. She's currently waiting in queue for the restoration to start. She will be a big job but it's a few years off.
I was so glad to see the front door excavated. Thank goodness the centre door wasn't filled in as some got with subsequent owners.
Cannot understand the UK's penchant for single door buses.
Of course it will start, it's a Gardner.
A poorly Gardner though. But certainly not dead.
@@JakeSCOC heads off, block off. And take a few con rods out from the top.
(eyland love me buses england
why the clowns called it a leyland when its got a Gardner engine in i do not know, same with the Daimler feetline which had a Leyland 0.680 engine. some one is acting the goat.
It is weird that they chose to put in Leyland engines in the DMS instead of the normally chosen Gardner, then fit Gardners to all the Leyland Titans.
My theory is that because of all the trouble they had with the Daimler F Fleetlines they chose to go with the Gardner option with the Titans hoping that would ensure reliability.
No as an operstor. It just doesn't work like that.
The basic design here, is a Leyland Olympian.
That is its designation.
It can have differing engines for a specific job or area, as well as different bodywork too.
It happens with cars too with different engine types offered in differing cars. That can be down to a specific reason relating to the terrain the vehicle is mostly going to encounter, or even emission levels not being met by the original engine for a specific country.
It is still the car that the purchaser wanted, as it is mostly what the vehicle gives the potential owner that is most important, not necessarily the name on a block under the bonnet.
Same for a bus.
The Japanese manufacturers believe the engine is the heart of the product hence why they have steadfastly stuck with their own engines despite struggling to meet emission requirements for years.
They just won't entertain the thought of sticking in a foreign made engine Iin their trucks.
Irritating music
needs to be taken to the nearest scrapyard and done away with polluting the atmosphere with the crap that comes out of these things👎
You sound like the kind of person that drives an electric car? Firstly these aren't run day in and day out. I think this particular one was last run last year at some point. Secondly, if everything old was sent to the scrap yard, how would we teach the next generation about the transport of yesterday? You'll probably answer by a book or video, but nothing beats seeing things in the flesh.
@@JakeSCOC yes point taken
The exhaust was clear. What else do you want?
The loony greens conveniently forget the environmental impact of making new Vs reusing existing.
It's called whole lifecycle analysis, it's generally ignored by politicians for financial gain, IE ,taxation on the new product.
@@tangerinedream7211 100%. I personally don't see the newer stuff lasting this long.