Just a note that the episode is called Gaugamela since that was the name of the battle where Alexander the Great destroyed the main Persian Army and ended the Achaemenid Empire. Pretty fitting given the episode!
40.000 Macedonians against 250.000 Persians, Medians, Baktrians and Indians and they got their asses handed to them because Alexander knew exactly where to strike to disintegrate the Persian army. Almost like a cheat code... :D
@@immortaljanus I mean mainly because Alexanders forces had spears that were twice as long as the Persians and they had no idea how to combat Hellenic Phalanx formations.
@@faqgougle7641 Alexander's troops were battle-hardened veterans from wars in Greece and drilled together everyday, compared to the Persians who levied troops from across the empire, and hired mercenaries from abroad, and none of these people had the synergy or training to compare - so it wasn't necessarily lack of know-how, the Persians had defeated Greek phalanxes before
The death toll will definitely be in the billions. The first three episodes felt like one long pilot, but this episode honestly blew me away. If this is indicative of how the whole season will be then I am insanely excited.
@@will2brown50 "I know but that is far too low for the population density of earth" this does not make any sense ... because it is not true: the density is not such. and because it depends on the impact zone since the deaths stated in the episode referred only to those directly related to the impact and not to subsequent consequences such as tsunamis, air shock waves, nuclear winter, etc. and besides, it was only a provisional estimate linked to the first moment after.
A thing I was worried about, after the episode was over, is "how trustworthy is the Roci to fly?" knowing that the main tech in charge of repairs was the ringleader in stealing the protomolecule and killed Fred. Would she have sabotaged it instead? Would she have found a way to put herself in command of it (remembering the computer recognizes the main 4 as the only crew that can fly it)?
The Roci was getting all those free upgrades and black market munitions. I expect they were planning on taking the Roci. That does not mean the ship is not booby trapped.
About Amos visiting Clarissa: This show is very deliberate about what it shows and they chose to show us the phone call between Amos and Clarissa back in season 4 ep 1. That scene didn't add anything to the plot of season 4 but it did setup having him go visit her in season 5.
Yeah. The books goes thorough the months that Clarissa is on the Roci as she's being flown to Luna on her way to being imprisoned. During those months Amos and Clarissa become friends. I think she becomes his de facto mechanic apprentice during those months.
Marco has been planning this from season 1 episode 1. Remember when Chrisjen was interrogating that OPA guy? I think that was one of his people. Wow, full circle. Also, Marco gets on my damn nerves, especially because he's so diabolical. He reminds me of a cult leader, who convinces people of their bullsh**. Great episode.
Mars basically gave a monkey a AK-47. In Sauveterre's speech he's criticizing the people in power for being to cautious. He's doing the same thing as Nancy Gao but with violence
Marco's closing speech mentioned how his brave new nation is going to be one free of "corruption, greed, and hatred". Apparently this guy never bothered to really read human history.
@@mapsandviolins1 Which is funny because he used the corruption on Mars to obtain weapons, the hatred of the Belters to the inners to have the people necesary to get the plan in action and also he is a greedy populist who only care more about himself more than what the belters want. His own history is the history of the worst things of humanity...
@@steveeriksen7652 It's even more funny because he speaks against greed and then claims the system, the ring, and all of its systems in the same breath.
Marco's ship is called Pella, the birthplace of Alexander The Great. He named his son Fillip, or Philip. This can be an allusion to either his half brother who succeeded him or their shared father, Philip of Macedon. Gaugamela is where Alexander defeated the Persian Achaemenid Empire. :3
In the books, Bull (the guy you thought was the traitor) was kinda a jerk because he has no patience for idiots, people who break rules or waste his time. But he is also very loyal to people he respects (like Fred Johnson) and the type of guy when crap goes down he would be the last person in the escape pods because he would be too busy making sure everybody else is safe first.
Also, isn’t much of what we saw Drummer do in earlier seasons taken from Bull’s actions in the books? I’ve not read the books, but I think I’ve seen that mentioned. Basically, by this point in the books you would never question Bull’s loyalty. Still, it worked well for the show.
@@ksbsnowowl3569 Yeah. Bull was introduced in book three, what would have been season 3. But Drummer was so popular with the fans and Cara Gee was so popular with the crew they kind of combined several characters together and gave their jobs to Drummer to give her a reason for being there.
@@ksbsnowowl3569 they have well and truly mixed those characters up now! Drummer in S3 played Bulls part from the book (opposite Ashford) In book 5 Drummer plays Bulls current role as Fred's No.2 Drummers current role is closest to a character called Pa in book 6 who is also in book 3 under Ashford but ends up helping Bull... my brain is fried trying to separate it all🤣 Over all I think I prefer the show versions in most cases, I think they have taken the best bits of the characters and made it feel a lot more like 1 continuous world.
WHAT AN EPISODE!😲 Even kind of knowing what was coming from the books I sat there bug eyed and mouth open! Devastating story, unpredictable twists and it looked phenomenal! Also, Dominique (Naomi) acted the HELL out of her scenes at the end
@@Jmespo83 I'm going to read them anyway so you can say whatever spoiler you want. But I assume fred was going to die anyway actually I'm surprised he lasted until season 5 I assume he was going to die sooner than that
@@rakwraithraiser7315 Gotcha. I’ll leave a little surprise to you. He does die in the books, but not in that manner and not in book 5. Glad he was still around. I think with how much he was an advocate to the belt it makes sense, but he wouldn’t want it the way Marco does.
This was the episode for those people wondering, "Why don't we see robots on The Expanse?" (There have been plenty all along, they just didn't have legs.) Moles never present themselves as jerks. Considering that Bull was giving her so much crap all the time should have been a clue that she'd have a grudge Marco could capitalize on. Marco offended Filip in front of the crew. As you said, everything in this show means something. I think the show clued us to a weakness in that relationship that will eventually grow into a fissure.
I don't really remember how it all ended up in the books. All I know is I want Filip to eat a nuke torpedo or a rail gun round every bit as much as Marco... maybe more. No point saving this piece of shit.
Demeanor, facade, goals, morality, integrity are not the same things. People with good intentions lead the charge to bad outcomes all the time. Intelligent people abuse their power all the time. Friendly people deceive others all the time.
In my opinion the stuff that comes later is worst. I'm not bothered because it doesn't mean the end of humanity and they have technology to quickly rebuild. The watchtower is working so even though inaros has a couple more rocks still out their they can't harm earth
In the book it is even more extreme. There are NO hints whatsoever of what's about to happen. It all seems calm, you only know that Marco has some plan to do... bad things. Suddently, multiple attacks at all the Leaders of the solar system. Multiple rocks crash on Earth, killing billions. The protomolecule, gone. Shocking, shocking indeed.
Keon Alexander plays such a good Marco. That speech at the end was great. He's such a good villain because while his actions are reprehensible he still has a fuckin point about everything
It wasn’t mentioned much in the episode, and you didn’t talk about it, so I’m wondering if you both missed that the Martian Parliament was attacked and blown up. To be fair, it was only mentioned once, plus a note on the chyron at the bottom of a news feed, so it is something that could be missed. I wonder if the Martian Parliament was attacked with stealth missiles? I’m sure we’ll learn more in the coming episodes.
I was a bit surprised that they made so little of it, but maybe it's also a question of resources, but it would have maybe made us aware that this is a system-wide attack. Then we would have been more on our toes on Tycho.
@@christophercordy8946 I honestly feel it would have been too much for one episode, resources or not, also we have no emotional stakes there, bobbie is off world with alex, and we don't know/like anyone on mars, so we will see the aftermath of that later.
Maybe stealth missiles, but considering they suspect a Martian admiral of being in with Marco Inaros I’m sure they had lots of potential avenues of attack.
@@kimflyvholmkjaer5969 The stealth material they are talking already exists. It's called vantablack. Derivatives will likely be orders of magnitude better 200 years from now.
Your are right, although I think Drummer isn't that far along the whole cause-and-effect chain of reasoning. Naomi is, though: the law of unintended consequences.
The Expanse :D one of those shows you just can't stop thinking about..Great episode!! RIP Fred...I yelled a 'Nooooooooo' when he got blasted :( Holden could of done with that Beskar staff wrenching that drone spider. His reaction to it was hilarious :D
This is one of the best episodes of TV I've seen in a while. Marco went from an entertaining villain, to being on the level of the Ramsay Boltons of the world in ONE EPISODE!
I don't think Melba is a variety of peach? (I could be wrong?) But there is certainly a well-known dessert with peaches and ice cream called Peach Melba.
Vanilla ice cream drizzled with raspberry sauce and garnished with peach slices. Created by a french chef to honor a famous soprano named Nellie Melba.
Marco's "freedom" is more or less 5 minutes of comeuppance for the belters but really trap his people in generations more of the cycle of hatred. Fred on the other hand provide livelihood for many belters. Rest in Peace, Fred Johnson, you were a leader who broke away from the cycle of hatred and provide an oppressed people a real way forward.
It's sad to see Fred go. He was an upstanding character who put his love for the Belt to good use. Marco said his new Belter society would be one free of "corruption, greed, and hatred". It's like, dude, I give that a week. Maybe read some history before you go trying to make it.
@@mapsandviolins1 I know. That IS the shittiest part about Marco's load of BS. Free of... hatred?! Does he even listen to himself?! He literally just drop 3 asteroids on earth out of the hatred he has for the "inners". How is that being free of it?
So imagine no foreshadowing to all these events in the show. That is what book readers got to experience. Only a slight mention of a meteor hitting Earth off the coast of Africa as Amos goes to visit Peaches.
Well, this episode was everything I've been waiting for. The wait hasn't been too long, but considering the strong premise season four left us with, the writers sure did take their time. This was the kind dramatic game changing episode I love the show for.
Speaking of no throw-aways, in the previous episode Admiral Sauaveterre is going on in his academic-sounding War College speech about asymmetries of power & conflict, talking about the Ring Space, when the biggest potential asymmetry of them all (for Mars & Earth) is right under their noses-Marco and his rocks and his protomolecule, and Sauaveterre is his enabler!! (stealth missiles, anyone?)
Ok... before the show even started, I had to pause the opening theme song sequence a bunch of times and noticed some very interesting things: 1. Just before you see the graphic of the asteroid impact, you see the asteroid flashing towards Earth from the upper right corner of the screen. 2. Someone is standing on the shore in the wide shot of what looks like New York. 3. The most interesting one: the last shot is an image of a ring gate, and a label pointing to it appears which says, “Laconia.” Hmmm...
The Red Wedding. Negan vs Glenn and Abraham. And now, Marco Inaros vs The Inner Planets. Yes. I believe this episode of The Expanse will achieve that kind of legend.
Amos and Alex where checking her work before they left but that joke she made about needing 12hrs to do it right and 18 to do it perfect might be foreshadowing
For any of my fellow metro Philadelphia/south Jersey area commenters on here; looks like the 2nd asteroid hit the Oaks/Valley Forge Park area (sad thing is 200 years and one asteroid hit later, Rt. 422 will still be a bitch to drive on).
Oh I noticed ... no more than 2 miles from where I live in Oaks (40km from City Hall, if I pointed NW accurately with the Google measure distance tool). And I disagree, this is a Final Solution to 422 traffic.
Dominique Tipper is amazing this season. "Amos needs to get off of Earth" Uh, yeah. 10 floors down with homicidal criminals with body modifications and, even that far underground, the blast was strong enough to crack the fortress prison walls. Everything means something is right. You might wanna go back and listen to Sauveterre's end of term speech at some point. :) So many people living with the consequences of their actions. I know I've said this many times, but book 5 is just off the charts, and the showrunner, writers, crew and cast are slaying. I had high expectations for this season and they are just killing it. I'm gonna have such an emotional hangover when this season ends.
There's something subtle going on you're almost catching, it's how the authors wrote Marco. Marco is a narcissist with delusions of grandeur, he will never accept that he was wrong and he will belittle those around them and shift blame to manipulate them. You picked up on this briefly when he stated that Felipe couldn't do without his mother. Keep paying attention to their relationship as this and the next season progress. The big giveaway though is at the end when it's revealed that the remaining asteroids are going to miss. He set up the asteroids to come down on Earth, but the majority of them failed due to bad trajectory, one being shot down by the UN. But, he turns this 1/3rd success rate into a rousing speech to his crew. He'll continue to do this where he'll claim success from failure and reframe it like he's a mastermind. It's a nice touch from the books, keep looking for it.
That's how you lead. Remember the words of Sauveterre (probably Free Navy himself) about that executing a half assed plan is better than to endlessly analyzlse and essentially doing nothing, being stagnant.
His Ring space strategy is exactly what Marco implemented plus destabilizing Earth and Mars, making the Ring and the worlds it connects to the only way out for humanity. Ring space the Free Navy controls.
@@louiscachet7681 that's not how you lead, that's how you REACT and leaders DO NOT react, leaders lead, but Marco is great in presenting his reactions as leadership, but that's what most of the leaders do, even if they shouldn't..
@@louiscachet7681 not looking to spoil anything but Sauveterre isn't Free Navy, it is important to remember that he is in logistics though. I like that you're looking for meaning from other incorporated elements within the show, just keep in mind his tendency to reframe things. You'll see it more often I'm willing to bet.
Earth's population was about 30 billion. One imagines that if that rock had hit the west coast of North America, it would have set off "the big one". Amos didn't plan to see Clarissa. That inspiration came from his experiences with Charles and Erich and the memories of Lydia, and also...kept him on Earth.
Not sure if you intend to read the books but Carlos "Bull" c de Baca aka "Arsehole security guy" was actually 3rd in command of the Behemoth when it passed through the ring gates. He's a prick, for sure, but fanatically loyal to Fred Johnson. Now that Fred has died, that prick is going. to. be. furious. I'm looking forward to it.
People keep talking about the GOT Red wedding. I kinda know what they mean. But Nancy Gao's death blew me out of my seat, I sat there open-mouthed. Fred's death only 5 minutes later was like the final hammer blow.
I did the ugly cry when Fred died, and when Naomi broke down in her chambers. This episode was truly amazing 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 BUT I need the team back together!!
I think ROCI crew will be Holden, Alex, Amos, Bobby, Monica & Clarissa (peaches). Mission rescue Naomi and kill Marco. But I think Drummer will get Marco first. He's responsible for killing her 2 daddies (Ashford & Fred).
Assuming that all of the rocks are between 1-4 megatons like the guy stated last episode (though the first one that impacted was stated this episode to be a few hundred kilotons, which is decidedly FAR LESS than even 1 megaton), then doing the math on everything with EIGHT of these rocks...not quite enough to fully destroy the entire Earth and Humanity but definitely enough to plunge the entire planet into an extensive apocalypse and nuclear winter.
@@aerithgrowsflowers Tsar Bomba was deployed in a remote area and was somewhat contained. There's a big difference between intentional and unintentional detonation. 4 rocks crashing into Earth in different locations all between 500 kt-4mgt with no warning? The amount of debris and ash that would result would certainly block out the sun and plunge huge swaths of Earth into darkness for at least a few years. Remember in 2010 there was a massive volcano in Iceland that erupted. It was classified as one of the largest eruptions in 30 years and it sent enough ash and debris into the sky to disrupt most flights across Europe and Northern Russia for 2 years and the effect was still felt on crops for a while after that. Take that and do it 3 more times.
Great reactions as usual. I wish I could watch this show in person with others that love the show as much as I do. I cant wait to see the next episode.
I love when Chrisjen loses her shit, she looked like she was about to jump through her little Ipod thingy! I was waiting for her to slap someone, anyone who was around her! 🤣
Am I the only one that felt like this episode was kind of the Red Wedding of The Expanse? Not that allot of main characters get killed but more in intensity, in SERIOUS events taking place that will effect EVERYTHING going forward! What a fu**ing episode! Season 3 was one of the best seasons of television ever in my opinion, four was entertaining but not anywhere near the third or even second season. But this episode...if this keeps ramping up and going this way...MAN! Love this show! :-D
I'll go with you there, parts of S2 are astonishing, but the first half of S3 is a real roller-coaster. S4 is almost a diversion, but of course it isn't really, it gives up some answers. And S4 has the rescue of the belter ship on a tow-line, which is a nail-biting sequence with brilliant graphics.
So, in the books, initially millions die from the earthquakes, tidal waves, and direct impacts. Over the next several weeks billions die in the ensuing chaos from starvation and such. I forget, how many people initially lived on Earth in this story? Also, Fred dues slightly later in the books in a completely different way. So his death here was a surprise to book readers as well
What I discovered about shows through this one. The better the villains, the more they make you hate them, the more engaging the show. By creating a truly hatable enemy, it makes the heroes that much more triumphant.
11:55. "Too bad, so sad." I knew I'd heard this before. In the movie, Van Helsing, the vampire bride Marishka says it to V.H. as she toys with him. Same Hungarian accent, too.
(I did not read past book 1) Remember the Pit was 10 or so stories underground! That means the prison on the surface is no more, that subcontinent may be blasted. They are going to have to climb back up that elevator shaft and hopefully the path up wont be completely blocked by debris. And what will the surface even be like if they do?
Marco Inara has decided that only the Belters have the right to exist and that the inners are to be genocided. With such hatred there is no measure that can be called extreme.
"The Pit" is probably somewhere in or near Pittsburgh. The Pit is a fairly common nickname for the city in other media (unsure if it is true IRL, but probably). That second rock would have easily been devastating from that distance, having hit northwest of Philly. The news showed a blast radius reaching all the way into Ohio and Michigan.
Naomi didn't really try to buy Filip's love. She naively tried to save him. But Filip understood that as she's trying to do this, or similar. Interesting is Naomi's reaction when Filip said that he is proud to do his part. Like her look was saying, "Oh, kid, you don't know that he manipulated you to do it". That when she said that he putted blood on Filip's hand like he putted on her is about something he made her to do and why she left. There is hint in 1st episode, but I am not going to name it, because it would be spoiler. Interesting thing about Marco... Right, he did big damage, but his plan was that all 9 hit (or 10, including this one by Venus - or it is maybe one of 3 misses). But he takes what he got and claims that this was initial plan. This is, right now, not disadvantage, because of damage, but... However, he, self, is not truly satisfied. Avasarala reaching to that chef was finding backdoor like she did with Ana. We can already talk about her MO. :) I think second one dropped by Philadelphia (they name it on the plane), and Amos is in Chesapeak (nature park or something - it was written on the screen). However, USA east coast. So, it is near. Let us Clarissa from now call Peaches (Amos named her so in 4x1). Did you get, Pella (Marco's ship) is same as Roci (or Roci used to be, before upgrades, railgun and paintjob)? Writers call her RociNaughtie or Roci's evil twin. :) Surely, they use Roci sets. Did you get change of name of Razorback: "The Razorback - between Mars and Belt" >> "The Screaming Firehawk - between Mars and Belt"? They didn't mentioned it, but it is probably them changing ship's ID. That guy on Tycho - Bull (real name Carlos Bakka - or similar) is Fred's Amos and Alex combined. He's one of those good solders, figurative and literally, because he served under Fred.
Don't worry about revealing details that we've already been exposed to. Naomi told Lucia in season 4 how Marko manipulated her into blowing up the Augustin Gamarra on Luna and killing hundreds of innocent people. It's not a spoiler. Rocks. 3 hit, 3 missed, 1 broke up, 1 was shot down. 8 out of 9 accounted for. One left. (Cue ominous thunderclap.)
@@TheDetailsMatter I don't remember did she mentioned exact name, so I didn't want to risk spoilers. But this is it. Augustin Gamarra Memorial on Luna (when Amos is there).
@@sabkobds She did. "The first ship we tried it on was the Augustin Gamarra." Lucia was puzzled at first. "Why do I know that name?" Then Naomi explained that it was the one that blew up on Luna.
@@Martiancamel Then either there were more rocks than red tracks, or a couple of those tracks represented bound clusters of rocks that separated once in or near atmo. (MIRV meteors) Now that I'm thinking of it, back in season 1, when Crisjen lay on her roof with her grandson worrying about people who throw rocks, they did watch as one shooting star MIRVed. Foreshadowing?
Super intense episode! I'm worried for Amos. Also the plot twist caught me so off-guard I would have never have expected her to be a traitor! RIP Fred Johnson, he was always just trying to do the right thing
Not sure if you noticed, but Marco's ship the Pella is a Martian warship. *Possible joke spoilers:* In the Book during Naomi's captivity aboard the Pella, one of the belters shows up wearing a martian military outfit and starts doing a mocking Alex impersonation complete with Texas accent.
I get that they are trying to draw parallels between Marco and ISIS with that flag back ground in the video he broadcasts, but why would Belters have a waving flag? Belters dont experience wind on a regular basis
They are still humans and a lot of their history and culture still comes from Earth..the waving flag of a rebel movement is well enshrined in human history
yeah I was wondering about that too and the weird thing is there is nothing Expanse related on Chad L Coleman's Instagram page, and no mention of Fred's death on the Expanse Aftershow ... I'm guessing either Chad wanted to pursue other projects, wasn't happy with his pay, or the showrunners just grew tired of the guy... very sad, I loved the character.
You said how could civilization survive after those impacts. Those asteroids were landing at between 200 to 300 kilotons. The US has over a dozen submarines carrying 16 1 megaton warheads. So 1 submarine has about 40x of the destructive power of what we just saw.
It could also be that the voiceover made a mistake and it was 230 megatons, which seems way more sensible given what we saw. Easy thing to overlook as it was probably added in post. For reference, the airburst in Chelyabinsk (2013) was around 500 kt
@@brilobox2 doubt they would make that mistake, but 230 megaton explosions would be devastating. When Krakatoa exploded that was about 200 megatons and changed the weather across the entire planet for years.
The book indicated that the first asteroid hit off of Africa. If you haven't read the books or the cliff notes, sh#$ is about to get real wild!! The mechanical robot is something out of a Japanese Anime (Ghost in a Shell) Yep, and Marco has got Martian Tech. 1😳😡 I love your reaction!!! Enjoy!!! Man!! I can't wait until next week!!
@@Danny_Boel She did. And she had a politically valid reason for not doing so. However, since then he had "violated his parole" by attacking Earth and he has killed Klaes Ashford. I think that she is going to light him up.
In the book there is absolutely none of the foreshadowing the show have given us. The asteroids literally came like a bolt from the blue in the middel of book 5. That's why that book shook all its readers. It was kinda like a 'red wedding' situation. I still can't decide if the shock or the slow build-up was more impactful (pun very much intended).
"This show is so good at planting seeds"
Avasarala S1: "I worry about people who throw rocks"
This series is amazing at planting seeds!
Also interrogating a belter looking to get some stealth tech.
Also, in Ep01, Avasarala was interrogating a belter stealing Stealth Composites
"The people of earth will hold you personally responsible when the 1st rock falls from the sky" - it's all Jules-Pierre's fault😜
This episode literally shook my soul!!
I was immediately took back to 9-11...
All I could do was scream F*^k!!!!
She also said "I worry about the OPA and Mars sharing a toothbrush"
Just a note that the episode is called Gaugamela since that was the name of the battle where Alexander the Great destroyed the main Persian Army and ended the Achaemenid Empire. Pretty fitting given the episode!
40.000 Macedonians against 250.000 Persians, Medians, Baktrians and Indians and they got their asses handed to them because Alexander knew exactly where to strike to disintegrate the Persian army. Almost like a cheat code... :D
From a ship named the Pella which was the ancient capital of Macedonia and Alexander's hometown.
@@immortaljanus I mean mainly because Alexanders forces had spears that were twice as long as the Persians and they had no idea how to combat Hellenic Phalanx formations.
@@faqgougle7641 Alexander's troops were battle-hardened veterans from wars in Greece and drilled together everyday, compared to the Persians who levied troops from across the empire, and hired mercenaries from abroad, and none of these people had the synergy or training to compare - so it wasn't necessarily lack of know-how, the Persians had defeated Greek phalanxes before
The funniest thing is, the actor playing Marco is called Keon ALEXANDER.
Damn, the visuals in this episode are beyond astounding.
Tell me about it, the visuals in the whole damn show are outstanding, my gawd!
They really stepped it up for this season
The episode could be summed up as: "Shit, meet fan"
When the fecal matter meets the rotary impeller.
accurate af
more like "sewage drain valve, meet turbosupercharger"
When Fred used his last words to tell Holden where the protomolecule was I got chills. This episode is insane!
That and also ‘WTF Fred you were literally sleeping on it this whole time?!!??’
The death toll will definitely be in the billions.
The first three episodes felt like one long pilot, but this episode honestly blew me away. If this is indicative of how the whole season will be then I am insanely excited.
Billions? No. The show says the early death tolls are 1-2 million
@@GhostInPajamas I know but that is far too low for the population density of earth
@@will2brown50 no.
@@manumaster1990 what.
@@will2brown50 "I know but that is far too low for the population density of earth"
this does not make any sense ... because it is not true: the density is not such.
and because it depends on the impact zone since the deaths stated in the episode referred only to those directly related to the impact and not to subsequent consequences such as tsunamis, air shock waves, nuclear winter, etc.
and besides, it was only a provisional estimate linked to the first moment after.
everything about this show at the moment is class. This episode was brilliant.
It’s really so good
@@NikkiStevenReact yep, also........Amos and Peaches ftw!!
A thing I was worried about, after the episode was over, is "how trustworthy is the Roci to fly?" knowing that the main tech in charge of repairs was the ringleader in stealing the protomolecule and killed Fred. Would she have sabotaged it instead? Would she have found a way to put herself in command of it (remembering the computer recognizes the main 4 as the only crew that can fly it)?
The Roci was getting all those free upgrades and black market munitions. I expect they were planning on taking the Roci. That does not mean the ship is not booby trapped.
Exactly!
@@Awol991 doesn't mean they aren't going to take it at some point
I have no doubt she did something. Too much opportunity to pass up. The question is: Will Holden realize it?
I assume she would have sabotaged it. But if I can come up with suspicions, then so can Holden.
Nadine Nicole plays a very convincing Clarissa Mao, she's a very good actress.
Great character. Hated her from the beginning, ended up rooting for her.
I agree!
@@Aaron46L same. I like her character and the actress. Great choice on the shows part.
That scene with her and Amos was beautiful. The Expanse is so good at flashing short, subtle gems in our faces.
She is really outstandingly this show.
About Amos visiting Clarissa: This show is very deliberate about what it shows and they chose to show us the phone call between Amos and Clarissa back in season 4 ep 1. That scene didn't add anything to the plot of season 4 but it did setup having him go visit her in season 5.
Yeah. The books goes thorough the months that Clarissa is on the Roci as she's being flown to Luna on her way to being imprisoned. During those months Amos and Clarissa become friends. I think she becomes his de facto mechanic apprentice during those months.
Marco has been planning this from season 1 episode 1. Remember when Chrisjen was interrogating that OPA guy? I think that was one of his people. Wow, full circle.
Also, Marco gets on my damn nerves, especially because he's so diabolical. He reminds me of a cult leader, who convinces people of their bullsh**. Great episode.
Mars basically gave a monkey a AK-47. In Sauveterre's speech he's criticizing the people in power for being to cautious. He's doing the same thing as Nancy Gao but with violence
Marco's closing speech mentioned how his brave new nation is going to be one free of "corruption, greed, and hatred". Apparently this guy never bothered to really read human history.
@@mapsandviolins1 Which is funny because he used the corruption on Mars to obtain weapons, the hatred of the Belters to the inners to have the people necesary to get the plan in action and also he is a greedy populist who only care more about himself more than what the belters want. His own history is the history of the worst things of humanity...
@@steveeriksen7652 It's even more funny because he speaks against greed and then claims the system, the ring, and all of its systems in the same breath.
The mole that shot Fred worked on the Roci for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if she did something to the ship.
100%
I will be surprised if holden doesn't figure it out.
😉
Too baa.....so saaa
... OwO
Marco's ship is called Pella, the birthplace of Alexander The Great. He named his son Fillip, or Philip. This can be an allusion to either his half brother who succeeded him or their shared father, Philip of Macedon. Gaugamela is where Alexander defeated the Persian Achaemenid Empire. :3
Marco is also played by Keon ALEXANDER
Good job.
In the books, Bull (the guy you thought was the traitor) was kinda a jerk because he has no patience for idiots, people who break rules or waste his time. But he is also very loyal to people he respects (like Fred Johnson) and the type of guy when crap goes down he would be the last person in the escape pods because he would be too busy making sure everybody else is safe first.
As someone that also watches Agents of SHIELD its very easy to be sus about him lmao he's cool tho. Great actor
Also, isn’t much of what we saw Drummer do in earlier seasons taken from Bull’s actions in the books? I’ve not read the books, but I think I’ve seen that mentioned. Basically, by this point in the books you would never question Bull’s loyalty. Still, it worked well for the show.
@@ksbsnowowl3569 You are correct. In Season 3 Drummer is actually Bull in the books. When I finally heard the name Bull it put a smile on my face.
@@ksbsnowowl3569 Yeah. Bull was introduced in book three, what would have been season 3. But Drummer was so popular with the fans and Cara Gee was so popular with the crew they kind of combined several characters together and gave their jobs to Drummer to give her a reason for being there.
@@ksbsnowowl3569 they have well and truly mixed those characters up now!
Drummer in S3 played Bulls part from the book (opposite Ashford)
In book 5 Drummer plays Bulls current role as Fred's No.2
Drummers current role is closest to a character called Pa in book 6 who is also in book 3 under Ashford but ends up helping Bull... my brain is fried trying to separate it all🤣
Over all I think I prefer the show versions in most cases, I think they have taken the best bits of the characters and made it feel a lot more like 1 continuous world.
WHAT AN EPISODE!😲
Even kind of knowing what was coming from the books I sat there bug eyed and mouth open!
Devastating story, unpredictable twists and it looked phenomenal!
Also, Dominique (Naomi) acted the HELL out of her scenes at the end
She has been knocking it out of the park. /bravo
This show is so great. Having read the books I assumed there was no way I could be surprised, but here we are. RIP Johnson.
So in the books he's still alive
@@rakwraithraiser7315 Don’t mind book spoilers, do you?
@@Jmespo83 I'm going to read them anyway so you can say whatever spoiler you want. But I assume fred was going to die anyway actually I'm surprised he lasted until season 5 I assume he was going to die sooner than that
@@rakwraithraiser7315 Gotcha. I’ll leave a little surprise to you. He does die in the books, but not in that manner and not in book 5.
Glad he was still around. I think with how much he was an advocate to the belt it makes sense, but he wouldn’t want it the way Marco does.
I read the books too, and I think the show just hugely improved on "Nemesis games"... better than they did last year with "Cibola Burn"
This was the episode for those people wondering, "Why don't we see robots on The Expanse?" (There have been plenty all along, they just didn't have legs.)
Moles never present themselves as jerks. Considering that Bull was giving her so much crap all the time should have been a clue that she'd have a grudge Marco could capitalize on.
Marco offended Filip in front of the crew. As you said, everything in this show means something. I think the show clued us to a weakness in that relationship that will eventually grow into a fissure.
I'm not convinced that Tycho's construction drones didn't have legs even in earlier episodes. But this one clearly does.
I don't really remember how it all ended up in the books. All I know is I want Filip to eat a nuke torpedo or a rail gun round every bit as much as Marco... maybe more. No point saving this piece of shit.
Moral of the story, a jerk can be a good person and a friendly looking person can be bad. :D
Bull said last episode: "Just because someone is an underdog doesn't make them a good person."
@@hoos3014 Also, Amos once said, "Just because someone is good to you, it doesn't mean you can trust them."
the same goes for politics.
@@AngeloBarovierSD Always listen to Amos. You'll live way longer.
Demeanor, facade, goals, morality, integrity are not the same things.
People with good intentions lead the charge to bad outcomes all the time.
Intelligent people abuse their power all the time.
Friendly people deceive others all the time.
This was like the Red Wedding of the Expanse. I'm still in shock.
Literally the words that came out of my mouth. The result of this episode on the rest of the show, in general, is huge.
LOL I just commented the same before seeing your comment. So Im not alone in this thought! :-D
In my opinion the stuff that comes later is worst. I'm not bothered because it doesn't mean the end of humanity and they have technology to quickly rebuild. The watchtower is working so even though inaros has a couple more rocks still out their they can't harm earth
Game of Thrones 3x09
Hannibal 2x13
Mr Robot 3x06
And now
The Expanse 5x04
All game changing episodes for their show.
In the book it is even more extreme. There are NO hints whatsoever of what's about to happen. It all seems calm, you only know that Marco has some plan to do... bad things. Suddently, multiple attacks at all the Leaders of the solar system. Multiple rocks crash on Earth, killing billions. The protomolecule, gone. Shocking, shocking indeed.
Keon Alexander plays such a good Marco. That speech at the end was great. He's such a good villain because while his actions are reprehensible he still has a fuckin point about everything
Keon Alexander IS a good actor. He totally convinced me that Marco is a sanctimonious a-hole with the charisma of a psychopath.
My jaw is still droping from this episode, it's been a loooooong time a tv episode get this high level of intensity at the highest quality
Holdens face seeing the proto molecule was epic. The crazy shit he went through with it, its like he saw his worst nightmare return. great acting
It wasn’t mentioned much in the episode, and you didn’t talk about it, so I’m wondering if you both missed that the Martian Parliament was attacked and blown up. To be fair, it was only mentioned once, plus a note on the chyron at the bottom of a news feed, so it is something that could be missed.
I wonder if the Martian Parliament was attacked with stealth missiles? I’m sure we’ll learn more in the coming episodes.
Yeah we caught that.
I was a bit surprised that they made so little of it, but maybe it's also a question of resources, but it would have maybe made us aware that this is a system-wide attack. Then we would have been more
on our toes on Tycho.
@@christophercordy8946 I honestly feel it would have been too much for one episode, resources or not, also we have no emotional stakes there, bobbie is off world with alex, and we don't know/like anyone on mars, so we will see the aftermath of that later.
Maybe stealth missiles, but considering they suspect a Martian admiral of being in with Marco Inaros I’m sure they had lots of potential avenues of attack.
I don't know if you notice, the Razorback has been renamed to Screaming Firehawk.
Good catch! I only caught on the 2and viewing!
Yep, I cought it, and immediatlely I thought of Steven 😂
And no reaction?! I've been waiting for this reaction for days!
@@AndreHonorio I didn’t catch it immediately so there really wasn’t much of a reaction.
The Belters' mole on Tycho Station was perfect. No one had a clue it was her until she put 3 in Fred's back.
I was shook they killed Fred. I thought OMG they killed a belter!... but wait... Fred was an Earther lol
.my mouth is still dropped open. Things are looking bad for earth and mars. BUT i have faith in Averserala and Bobbie. Marco better watch out!
Totally! Plus, the UN still has the most powerful navy in the system, while Marco only has a handful of Martian ships.
"The Expanse" isn't a television show.
It's a time machine.
I sure hope not.
@@kimflyvholmkjaer5969 I totally get what you mean LOL
@@kimflyvholmkjaer5969 The stealth material they are talking already exists. It's called vantablack. Derivatives will likely be orders of magnitude better 200 years from now.
@@Brownyman I was thinking about the events that unfolds.
The big A flag and craziness just makes me look at em as Antifa, and his speak fellt like Hitler's speak to Germany back before ww2 😱
Lydia: "People like us, the world can mess us up."
Peaches: "You can't help me.l"
Amos: "I can try to help."
I can’t tell you how excited I am to watch them react to this one, my mind was blown here.
I love that Monica saved Holden, instead of the other way around as it usually happens.
She changed after seeing all that ring shit 👀
For once, she was useful.
She contributed at the end of season 3.
Luckily Holden is a small guy lol
@@sci-fihorizons2867 He's not though. He is 6.2.
All of Naomi’s decisions are catching up with her at once. Drummer, too. I feel really bad for her.
Your are right, although I think Drummer isn't that far along the whole cause-and-effect chain of reasoning. Naomi is, though: the law of unintended consequences.
Christopher Cordy True. I love Drummer so much.
The Expanse :D one of those shows you just can't stop thinking about..Great episode!!
RIP Fred...I yelled a 'Nooooooooo' when he got blasted :( Holden could of done with that Beskar staff wrenching that drone spider. His reaction to it was hilarious :D
This was the Expanse's "Empire Strikes Back" episode
You ain't seen nothing yet
This is one of the best episodes of TV I've seen in a while. Marco went from an entertaining villain, to being on the level of the Ramsay Boltons of the world in ONE EPISODE!
Melba is a variety of peach, hence "Peaches.'
I don't think Melba is a variety of peach? (I could be wrong?) But there is certainly a well-known dessert with peaches and ice cream called Peach Melba.
Vanilla ice cream drizzled with raspberry sauce and garnished with peach slices. Created by a french chef to honor a famous soprano named Nellie Melba.
Thank you for correcting me. Peach Melba sounds much more divine.
It’s also a type of toast....which is what she’s looked like when Amos showed up. A burnt piece of toast 😂
Marco's "freedom" is more or less 5 minutes of comeuppance for the belters but really trap his people in generations more of the cycle of hatred. Fred on the other hand provide livelihood for many belters. Rest in Peace, Fred Johnson, you were a leader who broke away from the cycle of hatred and provide an oppressed people a real way forward.
It's sad to see Fred go. He was an upstanding character who put his love for the Belt to good use.
Marco said his new Belter society would be one free of "corruption, greed, and hatred".
It's like, dude, I give that a week. Maybe read some history before you go trying to make it.
@@mapsandviolins1 I know. That IS the shittiest part about Marco's load of BS. Free of... hatred?! Does he even listen to himself?! He literally just drop 3 asteroids on earth out of the hatred he has for the "inners". How is that being free of it?
Best gift for Christmas? This episode was unbelievable good, thanks The Expanse, and thanks for your reaction of course. Merry Christmas to you all!
So imagine no foreshadowing to all these events in the show. That is what book readers got to experience. Only a slight mention of a meteor hitting Earth off the coast of Africa as Amos goes to visit Peaches.
Oh man, I'm reading book 2 now but that book 5 experience sounds amazing
@@normalmighty I've never had a jaw dropping experience reading a book until Nemesis Games.
Well, this episode was everything I've been waiting for. The wait hasn't been too long, but considering the strong premise season four left us with, the writers sure did take their time. This was the kind dramatic game changing episode I love the show for.
Merry Christmas guys!
Speaking of no throw-aways, in the previous episode Admiral Sauaveterre is going on in his academic-sounding War College speech about asymmetries of power & conflict, talking about the Ring Space, when the biggest potential asymmetry of them all (for Mars & Earth) is right under their noses-Marco and his rocks and his protomolecule, and Sauaveterre is his enabler!! (stealth missiles, anyone?)
I think belters are scared of the protomolecule but the Sauveterre's group isn't scared at all of the protomolecule
Ok... before the show even started, I had to pause the opening theme song sequence a bunch of times and noticed some very interesting things:
1. Just before you see the graphic of the asteroid impact, you see the asteroid flashing towards Earth from the upper right corner of the screen.
2. Someone is standing on the shore in the wide shot of what looks like New York.
3. The most interesting one: the last shot is an image of a ring gate, and a label pointing to it appears which says, “Laconia.” Hmmm...
I've been waiting for this episode for the past 5 years. Fuck. Yeah.
I've read the books and you need to keep mind of the old adage, "the murder train has no brakes".
That episode could've been a season finale. And it was only episode 4! I have no idea where it can go from here.
The Red Wedding.
Negan vs Glenn and Abraham.
And now, Marco Inaros vs The Inner Planets.
Yes. I believe this episode of The Expanse will achieve that kind of legend.
I know, it literally shook my soul!
not the same shock value but expanse much better show.
Hate is the presence of judgement and love is the absence judgement.
Well if there was ever a reason for earth and mars to come together Marco would be it!!
Amos and Alex where checking her work before they left but that joke she made about needing 12hrs to do it right and 18 to do it perfect might be foreshadowing
I don't think all of the Belt is going to fall in line with Inaros.
Keon Alexander is amazing 🤩 the speech at the end was phenomenal...goosebumps all the time ‼️Best Episode so far ❤️
For any of my fellow metro Philadelphia/south Jersey area commenters on here; looks like the 2nd asteroid hit the Oaks/Valley Forge Park area (sad thing is 200 years and one asteroid hit later, Rt. 422 will still be a bitch to drive on).
😂
Oh I noticed ... no more than 2 miles from where I live in Oaks (40km from City Hall, if I pointed NW accurately with the Google measure distance tool). And I disagree, this is a Final Solution to 422 traffic.
Im so happy to see these reactions back and im loving this new season of expanse! :)
I've been waiting on y'all video on this episode. FINALLY!
Dominique Tipper is amazing this season.
"Amos needs to get off of Earth" Uh, yeah. 10 floors down with homicidal criminals with body modifications and, even that far underground, the blast was strong enough to crack the fortress prison walls.
Everything means something is right. You might wanna go back and listen to Sauveterre's end of term speech at some point. :)
So many people living with the consequences of their actions.
I know I've said this many times, but book 5 is just off the charts, and the showrunner, writers, crew and cast are slaying. I had high expectations for this season and they are just killing it.
I'm gonna have such an emotional hangover when this season ends.
Amos isn't trapped with the homicidal cyberpsychos; the homicidal cyberpsychos are trapped with Amos. Poor, poor homicidal cyberpsychos.
@@mbpoblet 😂🤣👍
@@mbpoblet So right. 🤣😂🤣😂
As for Nancy Gao's fate, the blast not only sent the UN-1 tumbling, it ripped off one of its wings.
I'm imagine such a plane would have contingencies. I haven't seen the plane blow up.
That was the most shocking moment for me
Steven must have screamed for joy when he saw the Razorback's new name! lol
It honestly flew over my head at first. Nikki reacted more than I did.
Found myself saying "That just happened!" way to many times, lol.
There's something subtle going on you're almost catching, it's how the authors wrote Marco. Marco is a narcissist with delusions of grandeur, he will never accept that he was wrong and he will belittle those around them and shift blame to manipulate them.
You picked up on this briefly when he stated that Felipe couldn't do without his mother. Keep paying attention to their relationship as this and the next season progress.
The big giveaway though is at the end when it's revealed that the remaining asteroids are going to miss. He set up the asteroids to come down on Earth, but the majority of them failed due to bad trajectory, one being shot down by the UN. But, he turns this 1/3rd success rate into a rousing speech to his crew. He'll continue to do this where he'll claim success from failure and reframe it like he's a mastermind. It's a nice touch from the books, keep looking for it.
That's how you lead. Remember the words of Sauveterre (probably Free Navy himself) about that executing a half assed plan is better than to endlessly analyzlse and essentially doing nothing, being stagnant.
His Ring space strategy is exactly what Marco implemented plus destabilizing Earth and Mars, making the Ring and the worlds it connects to the only way out for humanity. Ring space the Free Navy controls.
@@louiscachet7681 that's not how you lead, that's how you REACT and leaders DO NOT react, leaders lead, but Marco is great in presenting his reactions as leadership, but that's what most of the leaders do, even if they shouldn't..
@@louiscachet7681 not looking to spoil anything but Sauveterre isn't Free Navy, it is important to remember that he is in logistics though.
I like that you're looking for meaning from other incorporated elements within the show, just keep in mind his tendency to reframe things. You'll see it more often I'm willing to bet.
The traits of a well written villain
Earth's population was about 30 billion.
One imagines that if that rock had hit the west coast of North America, it would have set off "the big one".
Amos didn't plan to see Clarissa. That inspiration came from his experiences with Charles and Erich and the memories of Lydia, and also...kept him on Earth.
Not sure if you intend to read the books but Carlos "Bull" c de Baca aka "Arsehole security guy" was actually 3rd in command of the Behemoth when it passed through the ring gates. He's a prick, for sure, but fanatically loyal to Fred Johnson. Now that Fred has died, that prick is going. to. be. furious. I'm looking forward to it.
I'm glad they finally have him in the show
People keep talking about the GOT Red wedding. I kinda know what they mean. But Nancy Gao's death blew me out of my seat, I sat there open-mouthed. Fred's death only 5 minutes later was like the final hammer blow.
I did the ugly cry when Fred died, and when Naomi broke down in her chambers. This episode was truly amazing 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 BUT I need the team back together!!
Agreed
I think ROCI crew will be Holden, Alex, Amos, Bobby, Monica & Clarissa (peaches). Mission rescue Naomi and kill Marco. But I think Drummer will get Marco first. He's responsible for killing her 2 daddies (Ashford & Fred).
In the books Fred survived the attack. This is going to be interesting.
@@FaithfulDana I'm wondering if actor just had to leave for some reason, so they gave him an out.
Assuming that all of the rocks are between 1-4 megatons like the guy stated last episode (though the first one that impacted was stated this episode to be a few hundred kilotons, which is decidedly FAR LESS than even 1 megaton), then doing the math on everything with EIGHT of these rocks...not quite enough to fully destroy the entire Earth and Humanity but definitely enough to plunge the entire planet into an extensive apocalypse and nuclear winter.
I wonder about after effects
If the tsar bomba was 50-58 megatons why would few 1-4 megaton blasts cause nuclear winter?
@@aerithgrowsflowers Tsar Bomba was deployed in a remote area and was somewhat contained. There's a big difference between intentional and unintentional detonation.
4 rocks crashing into Earth in different locations all between 500 kt-4mgt with no warning? The amount of debris and ash that would result would certainly block out the sun and plunge huge swaths of Earth into darkness for at least a few years.
Remember in 2010 there was a massive volcano in Iceland that erupted. It was classified as one of the largest eruptions in 30 years and it sent enough ash and debris into the sky to disrupt most flights across Europe and Northern Russia for 2 years and the effect was still felt on crops for a while after that.
Take that and do it 3 more times.
Great reactions as usual. I wish I could watch this show in person with others that love the show as much as I do. I cant wait to see the next episode.
I love when Chrisjen loses her shit, she looked like she was about to jump through her little Ipod thingy! I was waiting for her to slap someone, anyone who was around her! 🤣
Am I the only one that felt like this episode was kind of the Red Wedding of The Expanse? Not that allot of main characters get killed but more in intensity, in SERIOUS events taking place that will effect EVERYTHING going forward! What a fu**ing episode! Season 3 was one of the best seasons of television ever in my opinion, four was entertaining but not anywhere near the third or even second season. But this episode...if this keeps ramping up and going this way...MAN! Love this show! :-D
I'll go with you there, parts of S2 are astonishing, but the first half of S3 is a real roller-coaster. S4 is almost a diversion, but of course it isn't really, it gives up some answers. And S4 has the rescue of the belter ship on a tow-line, which is a nail-biting sequence with brilliant graphics.
"Earth, got lots of problems there." - Steven, 2020.
Yep, just like in real life. So The Expanse is onto something, maybe.
Dang! I wanted to see your reaction to the Razorback being names Screaming Firehawks.
So, in the books, initially millions die from the earthquakes, tidal waves, and direct impacts. Over the next several weeks billions die in the ensuing chaos from starvation and such. I forget, how many people initially lived on Earth in this story?
Also, Fred dues slightly later in the books in a completely different way. So his death here was a surprise to book readers as well
30 billion before the attack and 15 billion after the attack.
@@youngstar312 Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
The actor who plays Marco does a good job at never changing his facial expression. Marco is clearly a psychopath, not a zealot.
What I discovered about shows through this one. The better the villains, the more they make you hate them, the more engaging the show. By creating a truly hatable enemy, it makes the heroes that much more triumphant.
11:55. "Too bad, so sad." I knew I'd heard this before. In the movie, Van Helsing, the vampire bride Marishka says it to V.H. as she toys with him. Same Hungarian accent, too.
That WAS Rock #9. It broke up, that doesn't mean it vanished. Notice the meter we see come down was actually a cluster of rocks.
(I did not read past book 1) Remember the Pit was 10 or so stories underground! That means the prison on the surface is no more, that subcontinent may be blasted. They are going to have to climb back up that elevator shaft and hopefully the path up wont be completely blocked by debris.
And what will the surface even be like if they do?
The droid has "Savage Industries" on it which is an easter egg for Adam Savage as he is a huge fan of the series and had a cameo as well
Marco Inara has decided that only the Belters have the right to exist and that the inners are to be genocided. With such hatred there is no measure that can be called extreme.
"I'm from Philadelphia, and I say kill 'em all".
"The Pit" is probably somewhere in or near Pittsburgh. The Pit is a fairly common nickname for the city in other media (unsure if it is true IRL, but probably).
That second rock would have easily been devastating from that distance, having hit northwest of Philly. The news showed a blast radius reaching all the way into Ohio and Michigan.
This was this show's Red Wedding event.
Naomi didn't really try to buy Filip's love. She naively tried to save him. But Filip understood that as she's trying to do this, or similar.
Interesting is Naomi's reaction when Filip said that he is proud to do his part. Like her look was saying, "Oh, kid, you don't know that he manipulated you to do it".
That when she said that he putted blood on Filip's hand like he putted on her is about something he made her to do and why she left. There is hint in 1st episode, but I am not going to name it, because it would be spoiler.
Interesting thing about Marco... Right, he did big damage, but his plan was that all 9 hit (or 10, including this one by Venus - or it is maybe one of 3 misses). But he takes what he got and claims that this was initial plan. This is, right now, not disadvantage, because of damage, but... However, he, self, is not truly satisfied.
Avasarala reaching to that chef was finding backdoor like she did with Ana. We can already talk about her MO. :)
I think second one dropped by Philadelphia (they name it on the plane), and Amos is in Chesapeak (nature park or something - it was written on the screen). However, USA east coast. So, it is near.
Let us Clarissa from now call Peaches (Amos named her so in 4x1).
Did you get, Pella (Marco's ship) is same as Roci (or Roci used to be, before upgrades, railgun and paintjob)? Writers call her RociNaughtie or Roci's evil twin. :) Surely, they use Roci sets.
Did you get change of name of Razorback: "The Razorback - between Mars and Belt" >> "The Screaming Firehawk - between Mars and Belt"? They didn't mentioned it, but it is probably them changing ship's ID.
That guy on Tycho - Bull (real name Carlos Bakka - or similar) is Fred's Amos and Alex combined. He's one of those good solders, figurative and literally, because he served under Fred.
Don't worry about revealing details that we've already been exposed to. Naomi told Lucia in season 4 how Marko manipulated her into blowing up the Augustin Gamarra on Luna and killing hundreds of innocent people. It's not a spoiler.
Rocks. 3 hit, 3 missed, 1 broke up, 1 was shot down. 8 out of 9 accounted for. One left. (Cue ominous thunderclap.)
@@TheDetailsMatter I don't remember did she mentioned exact name, so I didn't want to risk spoilers. But this is it. Augustin Gamarra Memorial on Luna (when Amos is there).
@@sabkobds She did. "The first ship we tried it on was the Augustin Gamarra." Lucia was puzzled at first. "Why do I know that name?" Then Naomi explained that it was the one that blew up on Luna.
@@TheDetailsMatter I think they said earthers shot down three rocks
@@Martiancamel Then either there were more rocks than red tracks, or a couple of those tracks represented bound clusters of rocks that separated once in or near atmo. (MIRV meteors)
Now that I'm thinking of it, back in season 1, when Crisjen lay on her roof with her grandson worrying about people who throw rocks, they did watch as one shooting star MIRVed. Foreshadowing?
That episode was sensational!
Super intense episode! I'm worried for Amos. Also the plot twist caught me so off-guard I would have never have expected her to be a traitor! RIP Fred Johnson, he was always just trying to do the right thing
before I've even seen the video , the thumbnail says it all 😂😂
Not sure if you noticed, but Marco's ship the Pella is a Martian warship.
*Possible joke spoilers:*
In the Book during Naomi's captivity aboard the Pella, one of the belters shows up wearing a martian military outfit and starts doing a mocking Alex impersonation complete with Texas accent.
"We are free!"
Meanwhile, has his ex locked in his ship... Yeah, he's just a psychopath.
well in Marco's defense, he had never wanted her there, but he had to adapt to what his son has done
I get that they are trying to draw parallels between Marco and ISIS with that flag back ground in the video he broadcasts, but why would Belters have a waving flag? Belters dont experience wind on a regular basis
That is a very interesting point.
They are still humans and a lot of their history and culture still comes from Earth..the waving flag of a rebel movement is well enshrined in human history
Episode 4 felt like a season ender, just 4 episodes in. Damn this season is going to be crazy.
Damn that speech. Got me all psyched up to follow Marco and destroy humanity. Lmao!! He’s so good.
The most important substance in the solar system and he hid it under his bloody bed!
In book 5 they attempted to take Fred’s life but he lived. Was surprised to see him actually dead!
yeah I was wondering about that too and the weird thing is there is nothing Expanse related on Chad L Coleman's Instagram page, and no mention of Fred's death on the Expanse Aftershow ... I'm guessing either Chad wanted to pursue other projects, wasn't happy with his pay, or the showrunners just grew tired of the guy... very sad, I loved the character.
You said how could civilization survive after those impacts. Those asteroids were landing at between 200 to 300 kilotons. The US has over a dozen submarines carrying 16 1 megaton warheads. So 1 submarine has about 40x of the destructive power of what we just saw.
It could also be that the voiceover made a mistake and it was 230 megatons, which seems way more sensible given what we saw. Easy thing to overlook as it was probably added in post.
For reference, the airburst in Chelyabinsk (2013) was around 500 kt
@@brilobox2 doubt they would make that mistake, but 230 megaton explosions would be devastating. When Krakatoa exploded that was about 200 megatons and changed the weather across the entire planet for years.
Amos is crawling out of there with Clarissa & his Timmy mug.
The book indicated that the first asteroid hit off of Africa. If you haven't read the books or the cliff notes, sh#$ is about to get real wild!! The mechanical robot is something out of a Japanese Anime (Ghost in a Shell) Yep, and Marco has got Martian Tech. 1😳😡
I love your reaction!!! Enjoy!!! Man!! I can't wait until next week!!
If Amos was in there doing time, he would make that prison his bitch.
#facts
i can already tell this is gonna be the best season of the expanse so far, this ep was crazy
So good
this was the best ever episode of the expanse for me personally
Remembering the way that the Belters reacted to Drummer, 'tis going to be interesting to see what happens when/if she faces off against Marco Inaros.
do you remember she had the chance of spacing the guy last season?
@@Danny_Boel She did. And she had a politically valid reason for not doing so. However, since then he had "violated his parole" by attacking Earth and he has killed Klaes Ashford. I think that she is going to light him up.
Steven: Dude what is earth going to look like if all of these hit.
Better than if there had been a colony drop.
ZMEYA in most slavic languages means SNAKE ;)
And thus we all were taken unaware by a misdirection, such excellent work by the makers of the show!
In the book there is absolutely none of the foreshadowing the show have given us. The asteroids literally came like a bolt from the blue in the middel of book 5. That's why that book shook all its readers. It was kinda like a 'red wedding' situation. I still can't decide if the shock or the slow build-up was more impactful (pun very much intended).
My man, I said the same thing "this is sketchy as hell" at the exact same time when I saw that epiosde 😂👌🏼