One thing with the action figures for the Navis, maybe there is a service in the universe where you can scan a copy of your Navi and they would make a figurine of them for you to buy and own. In a world like this, it wouldn’t be too far out, considered similar things do exist.
Brotherband? I used a tagline from the BNLC ads (which was originally from BN1 commercials I believe). But hey, I guess the concept of BN's internet is similar to SF's brotherbands lol
@@kaisaan I think they're one and the Same Starforce comes after the BN series And it's heavily implied that Lan created the Concept of Brotherbands Calling it that due to his bond with his literal Brother Hub/MegaMan.EXE
I mean yeah probably, but I'm just saying the little quote I had in my comment comes from the BN games and not SF. BrotherBands pretty much is what the original vision of the SoulNet. And yeah it's revealed in SF2 that Lan did create the brotherbands.
I need to clarify the difference between Robot Masters and X and Reploids. Robot Masters are robots with programmed personalities. They can't do anything that isn't in their programming just like any regular machine. They can act human-like but they are limited to how their makers programmed them to act like. Also, they have to follow Asimov's rules of robotics. On the other hand, X is completely free to do, think and feel anything. He doesn't need to follow the rules of robotics or any sort of programming/any pre-rendered personality. X has absolute free will which is exactly why he needed to undergo 30 years worth of testing to check his logic chip.
I hope we get more of the battlenetwork timeline / IP out of this, or a proper spiritual successor. This game has lasted as long as pokemon, with 20 years less of production, resources etc, man it deserves it for being such a well constructed game and universe
Glad to see some much Battle Network stuff trending on my timeline! While Mega Man.EXE wasn't the Mega Man I grew up with, the more I learned about the Battle Network games as a whole, the more I understand how this series became a massive hit and is as beloved as it is. Plus, so many of the Net Navi redesigns look great, especially Bass.EXE and Shadow Man.EXE
1:55:54 - In The Count’s case, it’s because he set up several home castles and put a few spare bats in each. So when Django kills him, he can just reconstitute from his leftover bats, bide time till his power is peaked again, and then resume business as usual once he’s all put together again. So ShadeMan is just really stubborn since he can’t cheat the system like that.
We sure you’re not referring to Mega-Shredder from Same as it Never Was? The bad future Shredder that Don killed by dragging his mech suit into a laser drill, which gored him face first and then disintegrated his remains.
2:03:10 & 4:00:56 "There I am Gary! There I am!" LOL for real, thank you so so much for adding my recommendation! I've always wanted to see Anetta's change in the anime to be talked about in some degree on the internet since it's always been my favorite adaptation of a Battle Network character. And thank you for crediting me on it, it felt nice being included in this huge project! 😊
Dumb idea about how Mr.Match reforms in BN6 while being absent in BN5, especially when BN4 is involved but bear with me here: The hotdog saleswoman. Be cause he was fond of her maybe he wanted to change for her and that's why he perused the path of becoming a teacher despite his several counts of arson? Again, this is from BN4 BUT this is ONE story, as well as JunkMan's story which makes TWO, that I want to get behind.
2:26:37 my contribution. i just assume that Gow would originally be envisioned to be called Rush to make the Classic-EXE connection more prominent. the Katakana would fit exactly. i'm guessing the idea that Tadashi Hikari originally digitized an animal's mind as a project to see if people can interact with the internet, however it wasn't feasible and work went towards autonomous Navis (like Bass). but after the Alpha scenario, Navis were heavily scaled back. Technology advanced a lot within 20-30 years of his death, so Yuichiro finding the idea of human digitization decided to use it on Hub. but it'd make the Hub spoiler too weird, so they had him infodump that near the end when Megaman got heavily damaged by Magicman instead. Dr Cossack being one of the scientists around during Alpha's attack+being the creator/operator of Bass might also fit into that. the technology wasn't far enough, so Tadashi simply inserted ghost data inside Alpha to keep it contained. other technology such as Wily's mind surfing chairs is just another half into the advancement of tech. Battle Network 4 was literally made since they already told the story they wanted to do. and needed to ride the christmas season; and unlike Zero, it just wasn't enough. Battle Networks 5 and 6 just completes the whole "digitizing beings" shtick since now you have Copyroids (Iris, Colonel), and they at least used Gow to post-humorously introduce him into the series since almost every trace of Tadashi's data would have been long lost. (even his Navi, a generic, crumbles)
he doesn't even crumbles, he just slowly defrag and decompile dut to be too scrozzled by time the old man have created the fabbric, but his mates and the children are the one that put in the work after that. between soulnet and the copyroids, it actually makes sense the direction it took between the end of BN and SF
... I hate myself for missing out on this. I've been a huge fan of the EXE series since the day I decided to skip out on buying X6 in favor of this new GBA title. I fell in love instantly. Even took the box to school as an assignment to talk about my personal interests.
@@FlashingBladesProductions That has absolutely no bearing on whether not Capcom themselves will make another game. About as much bearing as Sukapon being an assist trophy in Smash Ultimate being a sign of Nintendo not abandoning Joy Mech Fight or Bahn III and Valkyrie in Project X Zone being a sign that Fighting Vipers and Legend of Valkyrie will get ssequels.
The point I was getting at is that they are still willing to use the IP at all. Bear in mind that particular portion of the script was written before the Legacy Collection was announced, and everything following in its wake. While that segment comes from Part 3 of the initial Iceberg videos, the main script was written before editing on Part 1 began. A few things here and there are a little out-dated.
@mattwo7 did you know that PxZ are already spin-offs of another game (Look up Namco x Capcom). Bahn and Valkyrie were only added to fit the theme of the series already, popular characters from popular IPs in a grand, universal hopping game, where the character are only involved because plot pulled them from thier orginal plots. Sequels to those games were not hinted at with them being in this game.
As for Gauss crossdressing, that's a common comedic trope from anime, similar to the pervy old man, or comedic fanservice. It's fairly common in anime of the time, with another example being James crossdressing in an episode of the Pokémon anime that never got localized.
Glad be here less than two days after upload for once. 14:33 - If I’m recalling right, Cross Fusion also has a hard cap of five Battle Chips per usage in Axess. I didn’t get to see Stream, Beast, or Beast+ in full, so I’m not sure if this limit was ever upgraded out or something. Though I did check out the final episode of Beast+ and counted five chips (and it was a pretty lousy selection for a final fight, Program Advance notwithstanding), so likely not. Also in Lan’s case, he can use Double Souls in lieu of regular chips but he only bothered using this exploit against Dark CrossFusion LaserMan and never again.
2:52:18 Dr. Halsey was still alive when when Cortana was made and is a reoccurring character throughout most of the Halo series in the games' present-day. Cortana is just a brain clone like The Alpha in RvB. Though Halsey's process also involved physically cloning herself 20 times, violating civilian laws and UNSC and even UN regulations and then digitizing H-1's mind and incinerating the body. IDK what happened to the other clones other than that H-2, H-3, and H-4 were put into cyro suspension and at least one those three was made into an Anti-Cortana AI called "The Weapon".
The books have another Hasley clone brain AI made before Cortana as a prototype acting as Haslieys assistant in fall of reach. And I think it was mentioned there were failures before they got the process right
Dude this video is awesome. I was watching this while grinding out Battle Network 2 on the Legacy Collection and this kinda helped give me closure on the series and inspired me to continue to try to beat the post game in all of the main games in the Legacy Collection 1 and 2. I have Battle Network 1 done and am close to finishing 2s postgame. Anyway, great video big mcthankes from mcspankies.
51:07 Weird thing is that these two were actually later replaced in Beast and Beast+ by GroundMan, DustMan and giant Mettaur in Beast+ known as the *_Mach_* Pickaxe (the writers knew exactly what they were doing) that the writers seem to have *_somehow_* forgotten about only six eleven-minute episodes later when Lan confronts Zero.
2:44:45 Muramasa probably is a reference to the rumor cursed swords created by the sword smith Muramasa, it's said that they are most vicious and blood thristy blades that seek blood particulary of a certain ruling family which i can't remember right now. It more possible that the battle chip and weapon that ShadowMan uses, are 2 different version making reference to the multiple blood thristy blades. Now why would anyone create this kind stuff in EXE... Muramasa.exe exist is the only possible answer...
3:28:08 - Oh right. This PA is both an exclusive to the Battle Chip Coliseum arcade game that this bonus chapter was made to promote and another example of Navi image data as it summoned a supercharged ChargeMan through the aforementioned PA.
2:35:54 Well for one thing, he'd probably have an optical cable port or HDMI port and a I'd wager he'd have DVD laser diode instead of the tape, which would likely shoot laser beams.
Kalinka being in BN was never considered the OCW for BN has the note that the designer of Cossack designed Kalinka because they thought that if 1 is around the other wouldn’t be far behind so they did some designs. Would’ve been neat if BN3 and onwards had her be around to tie into Bass’ stuff happening maybe the 2 were friends before the betrayal so she’s trying to find Bass to get him back
1:26:48 I've been watching Kaijudo: Rise of the Duel Masters (Hasbro's failed attempt to reboot the localization of Duel Masters on what was at the time, the Hub Network) recently, it'd be an even bigger trip if that show had a crossover with NT Warrior somehow.
47:15 "KillerMan" might have also been a reference to Illbleed (or even if it was a coincidence, I choose to see it as a reference to Illbleed) To me, KillerMan sounds way cooler, and it also fits Dark Scythe's character since he comes across as a "teen going through an edgy goth phase and trying too hard at it" sort of kid, so it'd make sense for him to have his Navi named as edgy as possible.
wouldnt't megaman junior be Patch's cousin? megaman/hub is Lan's brother, if megaman junior uses data from megaman, that would be the same as saying it's kind of his son, making it Patch's cousin, also, huge missed opportunity of calling him X.EXE, or Megaman-X.EXE
1:02:42 Honestly the amount of effort they put into censoring Revolver Dragon into Barrel Dragon is actually impressive, especially by 4kids' standards (and it's certainly more effort than what Saban put into censoring the Deputymon in Digimon Fusion) but that one was one of the already censored cards (the episode aired November 2002 and the Metal Raiders booster was released in June that year, a whole half a year beforehand) so that was on either Konami Japan or Upper Deck.
I was recently learning about a scifi novel, where in it humanity used their advanced technology to PROVE they WERE living in a simulation. I did play BN2 as a kid, but i never beat it. So hearing about how the world was warping because of the net, it makes me think the world of BN is canonically a simulation, and that a program powerful enough in the cyber world could effect the "real" world. Probably not intended/ not true, but its fun to think about About the battlechips, i always assumed the ones where megaman were on them were like "stock" chips. Things you could buy from a store that almost any navi could use. While chips with different navis on them were more rare, or custom chips. Types that were either more powerful or had been hand made for a specific navi, but since megaman was so advanced he could use anyways
yk what's funny about Mr. Match? While he has 3 navis, the only navi that he hasn't committed arson or arson attempts with is Heatman (A optional boss in 2 and a link navi in 6) and I think that's a nice detail with him becoming a teacher, especcially as both the Fireman appearences are linked to WWW somehow and both are the navi he uses before we see Heatman and I just explain Flameman as 'Wily wouldn't let Match use Fireman due to him failing WWW with him so gave him a navi explicity for the second WWW incarnation' TLDR: When Match operates Heatman, he's actually not doing illegal stuff
Great video. One small thing is that colonel and iris are a reference to megaman X4 where they are reploid siblings in the game who are both fall under influence of sigma and then defeated by zero
1:15:37 - If I’m recalling right, aren’t Asteroids also sometimes physically larger than their originals and also given exemptions to elemental weaknesses?
2:41:33 Here’s another Digimon connection for you: some of the Digimon anime’s English dub staff did some adaptation work on the NT Warrior anime. Mary Elizabeth McGlynn(dub director for Tamers) was credited as Story Editor for roughly half of the first season, and VAs Steve Blum(voice of Guilmon, Yamaki in Tamers and BlackWarGreymon in Adventure 02)and Jeff Nimoy(Gennai and Tentomon in Adventure) were credited for script adaptation in episodes for both NT Warrior and Axess.
Fun fact about 15:15 character: an info board on BN2 confirms Mr. Famous uses the infamous GaterMagic folder on his duels with Gaterman, which i find funny how in-gameverse it's somehow allowed to use something so fuckin broken and degenerate like that Program Advanced without any tournament regulations for it.
I feel like the mega buster chip was originally gonna work like how the buster sword chip works, Use the weapon for 1 turn but I guess it would ultimately make the game either much more difficult to play through if you didn’t have an attack to use till your custom gauge fills.
Fun fact to add to this iceberg somewhere, but it's that the reason you face Cutman as a mini boss, prior to fighting Shadowman in BN2 could a reference to Megaman: The Power Battle where Shadowman's stage was remixed for when you are fighting Cutman in that game. Speculation? Yes. Crazy Megaman connection because the developers love doing that in these games? Possibly.
Just putting this in here to see if Exe and Lan are included in Onimusha Blade Warriors along with MMZ Zero. Edit: 2:57:57 Thank you, I am so glad people know about this cameo. It's such a weird, but fun one in a wack but enjoyable arena fighter!
Back when Legends 2 first came out there was an interview where they said that the Megaman universe is a TV show and video games in the Legends universe
2:51:41 To be entirely fair, that could conceivably fall under the Third Law of Robotics. "A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law." While it does potentially introduce a plot hole, and Wily is Wily... Wily is also WILY, an intelligent manipulative bastard. He never says he's going to reprogram the bots in 9 to lead an uprising. They want don't want to be tossed aside, they want to 'be of use to people' and ask Wily to repair them. Granted, this is the English dialogue, so someone else can lemme know if the Japanese dialogue changes this at all.
In the Battle Network Legecy Collection released on several Consoles MegaMan.EXE voiced by his anime dub VA says Pet instead of PET on the Game select Screen when you boot up the game and let him speak at times
I think the ZeusHammer battle chip is actually a reference to Phoenix Wright given that it looks like the Judge from Phoenix's Nightmare in Justice For All.
It's not so much forbidden, just taboo to make biblical, or rather, religious references as a whole in cartoons. It still happens, most of the time people don't pay it any heed. It also depends on who the translation company is, like 4kids was very known for censorship. Such as with jelly donuts and straight up removing episodes. Where as Saban was pretty lax. It's also likely in this case it was WB calling the shots telling Viz what to censor. Heck, if it were forbidden, Vegitales wouldn't been a thing.
I always was under the impression that the two series were in alt timelines with the cyber world forming some form of connecting bridge between the two similar to how Digimon's digital world works.
On the D Reaper thing, to be fair both series borrow alot from Tron, Ultraman/gridman (the basis for Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad in the west), and likely Cyberpunk to begin with and if you're gonna have some kind of lovecraftian/Kaiju style monster in your cyber setting there's only so many ways most people would approach it narratively
My 2 favorite megaman series battle network and legends. Also megaman x xommand mission is one of my favorite GameCube games. Love when a series does an rpg version of there game.
You can see Megaman's PET in the pile of PET's in the dump in Star Force. It's the only blue one and it has a red circle on it. No way that's a coincidence!
I can confirm that woodman glitch would destroy save data. My friend had blue moon and I had red sun. We transferred Navi data and when I got to the woodman stage it broke my game. No battles, could never fight woodman, game needed a total reset for it to work again 😭
Not completely dismissing that it was WoodMan's glitch, but I've heard from a friend that trading Navis between games TOO SOON, as in, before you've at least completed Game 3, can cause your game to bug out and possibly corrupt data. There's a possibility that because he was a Blue Moon native, that him showing up in Red Sun actually made it WORSE, though.
Damn this is amazing I love the battle network series and I’m glad that it’s getting a lot more love now that the collection is out! Megaman is one of my favorite series ever and even though I still like the X series more the battle network games are awesome too and I like that the battle network games are a little more “mature” than you would thing there’s some actual funny dialogue and wtf moments in these games
The story of battle network happens because Dr Light has wife and son. Which mean everything that happens in the main timeline happens because Dr Light gets no bitches
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I literally didn't knew that Battle Story was only localized in french, for me it was just the BN manga, and I thought all the darker stuff I was seeing was just part of the same thing since I never got any after the third one
Turns out I was actually incorrect in saying it was "Only" in French and Japanese. It also was released in a few other Asian countries like Indonesia, but the only one that is called "MegaMan NT Warrior" instead of "Rockman EXE" is the French release.
On the NT warrior footage used in other countries Here on latinoamerica was pretty common stuff to get licenses from USA, specially in Mexico Most 4kids and Viz anime got they lat Spanish dubs made in mexico, most shows that aired in WB got split between channels, if memory doesn't fail NT warrior aired in Fox kids/Jetix over here
So, I know its late to put this here since the Iceberg is finished but they actually did resolve the Portal issue in the Gospel HQ. In a blink and you'll miss it line its reveal that the portal spitting out evil navis in Gospel HQ is actually linked to the Gospel Servers. The More the servers grow and fuse the digital and real worlds together the more powerful the portal becomes and more evil navis it made. So, at the end when the Gospel Beast is defeated, and everything is returned to normal the Portal collapsed in on itself without the needed amount of power to maintain itself. However, that still leaves 2 questions: Where were the Evil Navis coming from and where did they go after the portal collapsed? For where the evil navis were coming from: my theory is much like the Bass clones and Gospel the Evil Navis are actually multi-bug organisms that failed to become Bass but took on navi forms. As evidenced by beings such as Cache, Zero, and Bug Raiser. As for where they went. I think without I leader they mostly just ran crazy around the undernet until they found dark energy, which felt similar to the powers from the Gospel Servers, and thus were recruited by Nebula. With the strongest among them being upgraded in to darkloids. Since all the darkloids of BN4 and 5 except Laserman were all solo-navis. And it's not impossible to upgrade a virus or bug program to a navi. Again, this happened in the Network transmission game. (Spoilers) Where if you fulfill certain requirements before fighting Zero instead of deleting him, he gets transformed from a virus to a full on net navi while still retaining his trojan virus abilities.
Side note I think before the made him a Solo naiv and Serenades follower Yamatoman/Japanman was meant to be Inspector Oda. As the design for Oda's personal Navi is very similar to Japanman with his only being slightly bulkier.
3:04:41 I’ve always assumed that the Cyberworld being a physical space was to make it easier to navigate. The idea behind NetNavigators is that network integration in modern society is so complicated that most people need a NetNavi to effectively utilize it. So I always just assumed the physical space was a way to simplify cyber-phenomenon for Navis. So like, for example, pushing a physical switch in the Cyberworld is supposed to represent the toggling of a script or flag. Or things like battle chips and Navi Weapons are conduits for antivirus protocols. Then stranger things like fire, water, and plants were maybe more just a consequence of the eventual advancement of the concept of Navi’s having a physical space, and as such Navis might want more things to interact with for recreational purposes, or operators might want to decorate their homepages with such things, or maybe it’s just capitalism at work again, etc. Granted, it’s all definitely stuff that you have to suspend your disbelief for, but it’s still really interesting to think about
At the 2:49:26 time mark , I believe the mayor admits that he created a fake cybeast cult in attempt to capture megaman so he can collect the other cybeast?
Sorry, I just recently watched this the day the collection released. Here's a theory for your ice berg. I have to wonder... In every game you virus bust you get zenny. Lan's gotta be a millionaire at this point or not spending on upgrades and battle chips. Makes you think if Lan's parents took that Zenny from each game and put it away as a college fund. Another idea to think about battlechips. In mmbn2, when you enter Electopia and get kidnapped and lose your battlechips. The kidnapper says your chips "muat be rare" and sells them to Ms. Millions. If battlechips are like trading cards, whats the market like in every country since the PETs can make and download battlechips like a 3D printer?
X is actual the first robot to have free will in the Mega Man Universe, the Mega Man 7 ending is english only and is not considered to be canon, Proto Man doesn't have freewill either since Light never told him he must get fixed and most of the other examples of suposed free will in the classic series have other explainations
I like to think that our world is a bit more serious about cyber security than the BN world. Sky Town is one of the most terrifying things I can imagine.
"Giga chips either have high power or strong special effects" Also a Giga Chip, GutsmanV5 lmao. I never understood why they didn't like triple the power if they were gonna make that a Giga
3:21:14 Blackbeard likely uses the alias because in Japanese the word, Kurohige, uses hige which doesn’t actually mean beard, it’s just a word for facial hair.
3:54:55 It's likely a generic mecha from the looks of it, but the design is unlikely to be Mazinger given how much more red and blue it uses as well as the shape of the hip connection being more like a skirt/kilt than and that it looks like it's got a samurai style helmet. Certain elements - especially the horns on the helmet - still feel a bit similar to either Raideen (one of the mecha that inspired the plot of RahXephon) or possibly even Zambot 3. Makes more sense against Grendizer since it'd be a bit of a deeper cut than just going with Mazinger and calling it a day. Completely unrelated, but it might've been fun if they updated that sprite to look like the Mazinger stand-in that they have in Tech Romancer, one of Capcom's mecha fighting games from the Dreamcast era.
The video mentions the spelling errors in MMBN4, but not MMBN1 or MMBN2… In MMBN1, for a good chunk of the game, ProtoMan.EXE calls Chaud "Load Chaud" until late game when he starts properly referring to him as "Lord Chaud". There are a number of other typos, but I can only remember "Load Chaud" due to it being a recurring typo. There are also some typos in, at the very least, the early game of MMBN2. It's possible that the entire series is riddled with typos, but in MMBN4 the localization team was under way more crunch than usual and instead of putting out "good enough" they had to put out "it'll have to do" for MMBN4.
Oh, right… Gospel's leader is a great case of this… It was in the NA English GBA versions, but he has at least three names; • Sean • Shaun • Shawn All of these names are pronounced the same, but in my GBA cartridges (MMBN2 if he is named there, and MMBN3W) it was like the localization team knew what his name sounded like, but nobody on the team talked to each other, and different people translates different sections of text, resulting in a different spelling each time.
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In fairness, I can't think of anything more disruptive to the nervous system that a gun.
One thing with the action figures for the Navis, maybe there is a service in the universe where you can scan a copy of your Navi and they would make a figurine of them for you to buy and own. In a world like this, it wouldn’t be too far out, considered similar things do exist.
Yes, usually a "donor" brain for the AI in Halo comes from a deceased person. Didn't Halsey actually face criminal charges for using a clone's brain?
@@FlashingBladesProductions Even worse, it was a clone of herself
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Okay, Mr. Brotherband.
Brotherband? I used a tagline from the BNLC ads (which was originally from BN1 commercials I believe). But hey, I guess the concept of BN's internet is similar to SF's brotherbands lol
@@kaisaan
I think they're one and the Same
Starforce comes after the BN series
And it's heavily implied that Lan created the Concept of Brotherbands
Calling it that due to his bond with his literal Brother Hub/MegaMan.EXE
I mean yeah probably, but I'm just saying the little quote I had in my comment comes from the BN games and not SF. BrotherBands pretty much is what the original vision of the SoulNet. And yeah it's revealed in SF2 that Lan did create the brotherbands.
1:12:26 to be fair Mu is a real world myth not just in star Force so it makes sense for it to be referenced with Atlantis I suppose
ive seen these iceberg videos but....tomorrow the collection comes out so what else will i watch whilst at work!
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I need to clarify the difference between Robot Masters and X and Reploids. Robot Masters are robots with programmed personalities. They can't do anything that isn't in their programming just like any regular machine. They can act human-like but they are limited to how their makers programmed them to act like. Also, they have to follow Asimov's rules of robotics. On the other hand, X is completely free to do, think and feel anything. He doesn't need to follow the rules of robotics or any sort of programming/any pre-rendered personality. X has absolute free will which is exactly why he needed to undergo 30 years worth of testing to check his logic chip.
I hope we get more of the battlenetwork timeline / IP out of this, or a proper spiritual successor. This game has lasted as long as pokemon, with 20 years less of production, resources etc, man it deserves it for being such a well constructed game and universe
Glad to see some much Battle Network stuff trending on my timeline!
While Mega Man.EXE wasn't the Mega Man I grew up with, the more I learned about the Battle Network games as a whole, the more I understand how this series became a massive hit and is as beloved as it is.
Plus, so many of the Net Navi redesigns look great, especially Bass.EXE and Shadow Man.EXE
1:55:54 - In The Count’s case, it’s because he set up several home castles and put a few spare bats in each. So when Django kills him, he can just reconstitute from his leftover bats, bide time till his power is peaked again, and then resume business as usual once he’s all put together again. So ShadeMan is just really stubborn since he can’t cheat the system like that.
1:03:59 You're right, 4kids would have been an improvement considering *_Cyber Shredder was brutally murdered by Donatello_* in his Turtle X suit.
We sure you’re not referring to Mega-Shredder from Same as it Never Was? The bad future Shredder that Don killed by dragging his mech suit into a laser drill, which gored him face first and then disintegrated his remains.
2:03:10 & 4:00:56
"There I am Gary! There I am!"
LOL for real, thank you so so much for adding my recommendation! I've always wanted to see Anetta's change in the anime to be talked about in some degree on the internet since it's always been my favorite adaptation of a Battle Network character. And thank you for crediting me on it, it felt nice being included in this huge project! 😊
Dumb idea about how Mr.Match reforms in BN6 while being absent in BN5, especially when BN4 is involved but bear with me here:
The hotdog saleswoman. Be cause he was fond of her maybe he wanted to change for her and that's why he perused the path of becoming a teacher despite his several counts of arson?
Again, this is from BN4 BUT this is ONE story, as well as JunkMan's story which makes TWO, that I want to get behind.
2:26:37 my contribution. i just assume that Gow would originally be envisioned to be called Rush to make the Classic-EXE connection more prominent. the Katakana would fit exactly. i'm guessing the idea that Tadashi Hikari originally digitized an animal's mind as a project to see if people can interact with the internet, however it wasn't feasible and work went towards autonomous Navis (like Bass). but after the Alpha scenario, Navis were heavily scaled back. Technology advanced a lot within 20-30 years of his death, so Yuichiro finding the idea of human digitization decided to use it on Hub. but it'd make the Hub spoiler too weird, so they had him infodump that near the end when Megaman got heavily damaged by Magicman instead.
Dr Cossack being one of the scientists around during Alpha's attack+being the creator/operator of Bass might also fit into that. the technology wasn't far enough, so Tadashi simply inserted ghost data inside Alpha to keep it contained. other technology such as Wily's mind surfing chairs is just another half into the advancement of tech. Battle Network 4 was literally made since they already told the story they wanted to do. and needed to ride the christmas season; and unlike Zero, it just wasn't enough. Battle Networks 5 and 6 just completes the whole "digitizing beings" shtick since now you have Copyroids (Iris, Colonel), and they at least used Gow to post-humorously introduce him into the series since almost every trace of Tadashi's data would have been long lost. (even his Navi, a generic, crumbles)
he doesn't even crumbles, he just slowly defrag and decompile dut to be too scrozzled by time
the old man have created the fabbric, but his mates and the children are the one that put in the work after that. between soulnet and the copyroids, it actually makes sense the direction it took between the end of BN and SF
... I hate myself for missing out on this.
I've been a huge fan of the EXE series since the day I decided to skip out on buying X6 in favor of this new GBA title. I fell in love instantly. Even took the box to school as an assignment to talk about my personal interests.
Sorry you missed it too!
I feel like that was a wise choice, though. I wasn't a huge fan of X6.
3:23:55 Capcom doesn't own Medabots, Imagineer does and that game in particuar was made by a company called "SoWhat" .
But Capcom has to agree to let them use the rights to Rockman EXE.
Next art project. Since the converted EXEs to medabots, lets convert medebots to EXEs.
@@FlashingBladesProductions That has absolutely no bearing on whether not Capcom themselves will make another game.
About as much bearing as Sukapon being an assist trophy in Smash Ultimate being a sign of Nintendo not abandoning Joy Mech Fight or Bahn III and Valkyrie in Project X Zone being a sign that Fighting Vipers and Legend of Valkyrie will get ssequels.
The point I was getting at is that they are still willing to use the IP at all.
Bear in mind that particular portion of the script was written before the Legacy Collection was announced, and everything following in its wake. While that segment comes from Part 3 of the initial Iceberg videos, the main script was written before editing on Part 1 began. A few things here and there are a little out-dated.
@mattwo7 did you know that PxZ are already spin-offs of another game (Look up Namco x Capcom). Bahn and Valkyrie were only added to fit the theme of the series already, popular characters from popular IPs in a grand, universal hopping game, where the character are only involved because plot pulled them from thier orginal plots. Sequels to those games were not hinted at with them being in this game.
As for Gauss crossdressing, that's a common comedic trope from anime, similar to the pervy old man, or comedic fanservice. It's fairly common in anime of the time, with another example being James crossdressing in an episode of the Pokémon anime that never got localized.
Great video! Basically the ultimate MMBN curiosity and theories compilations.
Thank you for this video :)
I’m so ready for this
3:26:06 yeah i can see why navis can logout when they heavily damaged in anime
Thank you guys for keeping Battle Network content popular
Glad be here less than two days after upload for once.
14:33 - If I’m recalling right, Cross Fusion also has a hard cap of five Battle Chips per usage in Axess. I didn’t get to see Stream, Beast, or Beast+ in full, so I’m not sure if this limit was ever upgraded out or something. Though I did check out the final episode of Beast+ and counted five chips (and it was a pretty lousy selection for a final fight, Program Advance notwithstanding), so likely not.
Also in Lan’s case, he can use Double Souls in lieu of regular chips but he only bothered using this exploit against Dark CrossFusion LaserMan and never again.
2:52:18 Dr. Halsey was still alive when when Cortana was made and is a reoccurring character throughout most of the Halo series in the games' present-day. Cortana is just a brain clone like The Alpha in RvB. Though Halsey's process also involved physically cloning herself 20 times, violating civilian laws and UNSC and even UN regulations and then digitizing H-1's mind and incinerating the body. IDK what happened to the other clones other than that H-2, H-3, and H-4 were put into cyro suspension and at least one those three was made into an Anti-Cortana AI called "The Weapon".
The books have another Hasley clone brain AI made before Cortana as a prototype acting as Haslieys assistant in fall of reach. And I think it was mentioned there were failures before they got the process right
This makes me want an ultimate pvp tournament with EVERYONE in the new collection!! (After everyone is truly ready for it of course)
Dude this video is awesome. I was watching this while grinding out Battle Network 2 on the Legacy Collection and this kinda helped give me closure on the series and inspired me to continue to try to beat the post game in all of the main games in the Legacy Collection 1 and 2. I have Battle Network 1 done and am close to finishing 2s postgame. Anyway, great video big mcthankes from mcspankies.
It was such an experience to watch all four hours of this. Thank you so much for making it!
1:11:15 I LOVE that the board game gets mentioned! 😭
Watched this between playing the LC over the last few days. Great job man, thank you do much for putting this together!
MMBNLC IS ONLY 24 HOURS AWAY ❤❤❤❤ LET'S GOOO
I like to think Gauss is a drag queen on the side. Which almost makes the "error at the cleaners" line make some sort of sense
Bummed out I missed the live but I’m so excited to watch this!
51:07 Weird thing is that these two were actually later replaced in Beast and Beast+ by GroundMan, DustMan and giant Mettaur in Beast+ known as the *_Mach_* Pickaxe (the writers knew exactly what they were doing) that the writers seem to have *_somehow_* forgotten about only six eleven-minute episodes later when Lan confronts Zero.
I'm really excited for the Digimon comparison video!
2:44:45 Muramasa probably is a reference to the rumor cursed swords created by the sword smith Muramasa, it's said that they are most vicious and blood thristy blades that seek blood particulary of a certain ruling family which i can't remember right now. It more possible that the battle chip and weapon that ShadowMan uses, are 2 different version making reference to the multiple blood thristy blades. Now why would anyone create this kind stuff in EXE... Muramasa.exe exist is the only possible answer...
3:28:08 - Oh right. This PA is both an exclusive to the Battle Chip Coliseum arcade game that this bonus chapter was made to promote and another example of Navi image data as it summoned a supercharged ChargeMan through the aforementioned PA.
2:35:54 Well for one thing, he'd probably have an optical cable port or HDMI port and a I'd wager he'd have DVD laser diode instead of the tape, which would likely shoot laser beams.
I imagined he might have DVD launchers on his wrists, where he fires them like shurikens or boomerangs.
Kalinka being in BN was never considered the OCW for BN has the note that the designer of Cossack designed Kalinka because they thought that if 1 is around the other wouldn’t be far behind so they did some designs. Would’ve been neat if BN3 and onwards had her be around to tie into Bass’ stuff happening maybe the 2 were friends before the betrayal so she’s trying to find Bass to get him back
1:26:48 I've been watching Kaijudo: Rise of the Duel Masters (Hasbro's failed attempt to reboot the localization of Duel Masters on what was at the time, the Hub Network) recently, it'd be an even bigger trip if that show had a crossover with NT Warrior somehow.
47:15 "KillerMan" might have also been a reference to Illbleed (or even if it was a coincidence, I choose to see it as a reference to Illbleed)
To me, KillerMan sounds way cooler, and it also fits Dark Scythe's character since he comes across as a "teen going through an edgy goth phase and trying too hard at it" sort of kid, so it'd make sense for him to have his Navi named as edgy as possible.
wouldnt't megaman junior be Patch's cousin?
megaman/hub is Lan's brother, if megaman junior uses data from megaman, that would be the same as saying it's kind of his son, making it Patch's cousin, also, huge missed opportunity of calling him X.EXE, or Megaman-X.EXE
Or Quint for a curveball
Mr. Famous sealing that guy moves. I can't help but imagine him having just stuck a wad of gum in that guy pet's battle chip slot.
Amazing video! I grew up with this series and I cherish it a lot! Watching this video was an experience and it made me happy :)
1:02:42 Honestly the amount of effort they put into censoring Revolver Dragon into Barrel Dragon is actually impressive, especially by 4kids' standards (and it's certainly more effort than what Saban put into censoring the Deputymon in Digimon Fusion) but that one was one of the already censored cards (the episode aired November 2002 and the Metal Raiders booster was released in June that year, a whole half a year beforehand) so that was on either Konami Japan or Upper Deck.
Leg's go
6:31 Wait a goddamn, if Hub Style requires perfect syncnhro in the manga, how the hell did Bass, a solo navi, copy it at full power?
If you don't have someone else to synchro with, you sychro with yourself
I was recently learning about a scifi novel, where in it humanity used their advanced technology to PROVE they WERE living in a simulation.
I did play BN2 as a kid, but i never beat it. So hearing about how the world was warping because of the net, it makes me think the world of BN is canonically a simulation, and that a program powerful enough in the cyber world could effect the "real" world.
Probably not intended/ not true, but its fun to think about
About the battlechips, i always assumed the ones where megaman were on them were like "stock" chips. Things you could buy from a store that almost any navi could use. While chips with different navis on them were more rare, or custom chips. Types that were either more powerful or had been hand made for a specific navi, but since megaman was so advanced he could use anyways
Thank you for the video. Your mic sounds so much better now!
Let's go! I finally get to play the rest of battle network in a legitimate fashion 🙌
yk what's funny about Mr. Match? While he has 3 navis, the only navi that he hasn't committed arson or arson attempts with is Heatman (A optional boss in 2 and a link navi in 6) and I think that's a nice detail with him becoming a teacher, especcially as both the Fireman appearences are linked to WWW somehow and both are the navi he uses before we see Heatman and I just explain Flameman as 'Wily wouldn't let Match use Fireman due to him failing WWW with him so gave him a navi explicity for the second WWW incarnation'
TLDR: When Match operates Heatman, he's actually not doing illegal stuff
How did Mr famous seal that guy from net battling. He poured glue into the chip slot
This was an amazing video, thank you for the hard work!
I would like to think Bass in BN6 is the True Original Bass while all the other ones we fought before were Gospel clones
Pretty good video to watch along while replaying the collection games.
Great video. One small thing is that colonel and iris are a reference to megaman X4 where they are reploid siblings in the game who are both fall under influence of sigma and then defeated by zero
56:48 - Hope someone does a double feature with an Aia Amare mod. Specifically in a Denny’s parking lot.
Metabots was another favorite gba game of mine so I love the recent crossover mentioned
Such good videos. Thank you
1:15:37 - If I’m recalling right, aren’t Asteroids also sometimes physically larger than their originals and also given exemptions to elemental weaknesses?
Yeah when they appear in the real world they look bigger.
I definitely remember they didn't have weaknesses either
2:41:33 Here’s another Digimon connection for you: some of the Digimon anime’s English dub staff did some adaptation work on the NT Warrior anime. Mary Elizabeth McGlynn(dub director for Tamers) was credited as Story Editor for roughly half of the first season, and VAs Steve Blum(voice of Guilmon, Yamaki in Tamers and BlackWarGreymon in Adventure 02)and Jeff Nimoy(Gennai and Tentomon in Adventure) were credited for script adaptation in episodes for both NT Warrior and Axess.
on the topic of digimon mega man similarities. Gulusgammamon (Digimon Ghost game) is literally just Forte/Bass lol
Great video. Mega man need more love in 2023 and this was it
Fun fact about 15:15 character: an info board on BN2 confirms Mr. Famous uses the infamous GaterMagic folder on his duels with Gaterman, which i find funny how in-gameverse it's somehow allowed to use something so fuckin broken and degenerate like that Program Advanced without any tournament regulations for it.
I feel like the mega buster chip was originally gonna work like how the buster sword chip works, Use the weapon for 1 turn but I guess it would ultimately make the game either much more difficult to play through if you didn’t have an attack to use till your custom gauge fills.
Fun fact to add to this iceberg somewhere, but it's that the reason you face Cutman as a mini boss, prior to fighting Shadowman in BN2 could a reference to Megaman: The Power Battle where Shadowman's stage was remixed for when you are fighting Cutman in that game. Speculation? Yes. Crazy Megaman connection because the developers love doing that in these games? Possibly.
29:43 OMG! There's a reference to this in DeltaRune!!!
Just putting this in here to see if Exe and Lan are included in Onimusha Blade Warriors along with MMZ Zero.
Edit: 2:57:57 Thank you, I am so glad people know about this cameo. It's such a weird, but fun one in a wack but enjoyable arena fighter!
Back when Legends 2 first came out there was an interview where they said that the Megaman universe is a TV show and video games in the Legends universe
OH MY GOD YES OH YES OH YES
amazing video
2:51:41 To be entirely fair, that could conceivably fall under the Third Law of Robotics. "A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law."
While it does potentially introduce a plot hole, and Wily is Wily... Wily is also WILY, an intelligent manipulative bastard. He never says he's going to reprogram the bots in 9 to lead an uprising. They want don't want to be tossed aside, they want to 'be of use to people' and ask Wily to repair them. Granted, this is the English dialogue, so someone else can lemme know if the Japanese dialogue changes this at all.
In the Battle Network Legecy Collection released on several Consoles
MegaMan.EXE voiced by his anime dub VA says Pet instead of PET on the Game select Screen when you boot up the game and let him speak at times
This video is awesome
Amazing job
4 hour video. NICE ! Alright time to get comfortable!
I think the ZeusHammer battle chip is actually a reference to Phoenix Wright given that it looks like the Judge from Phoenix's Nightmare in Justice For All.
It's not so much forbidden, just taboo to make biblical, or rather, religious references as a whole in cartoons. It still happens, most of the time people don't pay it any heed. It also depends on who the translation company is, like 4kids was very known for censorship. Such as with jelly donuts and straight up removing episodes. Where as Saban was pretty lax.
It's also likely in this case it was WB calling the shots telling Viz what to censor.
Heck, if it were forbidden, Vegitales wouldn't been a thing.
I always was under the impression that the two series were in alt timelines with the cyber world forming some form of connecting bridge between the two similar to how Digimon's digital world works.
On the D Reaper thing, to be fair both series borrow alot from Tron, Ultraman/gridman (the basis for Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad in the west), and likely Cyberpunk to begin with and if you're gonna have some kind of lovecraftian/Kaiju style monster in your cyber setting there's only so many ways most people would approach it narratively
Megaman basically is the gateway drug for becoming a cyberpunk fan.
My 2 favorite megaman series battle network and legends. Also megaman x xommand mission is one of my favorite GameCube games. Love when a series does an rpg version of there game.
You can see Megaman's PET in the pile of PET's in the dump in Star Force. It's the only blue one and it has a red circle on it. No way that's a coincidence!
Buried in a Junkyard, being Megaman is suffering.
I can confirm that woodman glitch would destroy save data. My friend had blue moon and I had red sun. We transferred Navi data and when I got to the woodman stage it broke my game. No battles, could never fight woodman, game needed a total reset for it to work again 😭
Not completely dismissing that it was WoodMan's glitch, but I've heard from a friend that trading Navis between games TOO SOON, as in, before you've at least completed Game 3, can cause your game to bug out and possibly corrupt data. There's a possibility that because he was a Blue Moon native, that him showing up in Red Sun actually made it WORSE, though.
Damn this is amazing I love the battle network series and I’m glad that it’s getting a lot more love now that the collection is out! Megaman is one of my favorite series ever and even though I still like the X series more the battle network games are awesome too and I like that the battle network games are a little more “mature” than you would thing there’s some actual funny dialogue and wtf moments in these games
The story of battle network happens because Dr Light has wife and son. Which mean everything that happens in the main timeline happens because Dr Light gets no bitches
I literally didn't knew that Battle Story was only localized in french, for me it was just the BN manga, and I thought all the darker stuff I was seeing was just part of the same thing since I never got any after the third one
Turns out I was actually incorrect in saying it was "Only" in French and Japanese. It also was released in a few other Asian countries like Indonesia, but the only one that is called "MegaMan NT Warrior" instead of "Rockman EXE" is the French release.
On the NT warrior footage used in other countries
Here on latinoamerica was pretty common stuff to get licenses from USA, specially in Mexico
Most 4kids and Viz anime got they lat Spanish dubs made in mexico, most shows that aired in WB got split between channels, if memory doesn't fail NT warrior aired in Fox kids/Jetix over here
So, I know its late to put this here since the Iceberg is finished but they actually did resolve the Portal issue in the Gospel HQ. In a blink and you'll miss it line its reveal that the portal spitting out evil navis in Gospel HQ is actually linked to the Gospel Servers. The More the servers grow and fuse the digital and real worlds together the more powerful the portal becomes and more evil navis it made. So, at the end when the Gospel Beast is defeated, and everything is returned to normal the Portal collapsed in on itself without the needed amount of power to maintain itself. However, that still leaves 2 questions: Where were the Evil Navis coming from and where did they go after the portal collapsed?
For where the evil navis were coming from: my theory is much like the Bass clones and Gospel the Evil Navis are actually multi-bug organisms that failed to become Bass but took on navi forms. As evidenced by beings such as Cache, Zero, and Bug Raiser. As for where they went. I think without I leader they mostly just ran crazy around the undernet until they found dark energy, which felt similar to the powers from the Gospel Servers, and thus were recruited by Nebula. With the strongest among them being upgraded in to darkloids. Since all the darkloids of BN4 and 5 except Laserman were all solo-navis. And it's not impossible to upgrade a virus or bug program to a navi. Again, this happened in the Network transmission game. (Spoilers) Where if you fulfill certain requirements before fighting Zero instead of deleting him, he gets transformed from a virus to a full on net navi while still retaining his trojan virus abilities.
Side note I think before the made him a Solo naiv and Serenades follower Yamatoman/Japanman was meant to be Inspector Oda. As the design for Oda's personal Navi is very similar to Japanman with his only being slightly bulkier.
3:04:41
I’ve always assumed that the Cyberworld being a physical space was to make it easier to navigate. The idea behind NetNavigators is that network integration in modern society is so complicated that most people need a NetNavi to effectively utilize it. So I always just assumed the physical space was a way to simplify cyber-phenomenon for Navis. So like, for example, pushing a physical switch in the Cyberworld is supposed to represent the toggling of a script or flag. Or things like battle chips and Navi Weapons are conduits for antivirus protocols. Then stranger things like fire, water, and plants were maybe more just a consequence of the eventual advancement of the concept of Navi’s having a physical space, and as such Navis might want more things to interact with for recreational purposes, or operators might want to decorate their homepages with such things, or maybe it’s just capitalism at work again, etc.
Granted, it’s all definitely stuff that you have to suspend your disbelief for, but it’s still really interesting to think about
At the 2:49:26 time mark , I believe the mayor admits that he created a fake cybeast cult in attempt to capture megaman so he can collect the other cybeast?
By the way, I too would love to have my own NetNavi
1:38:58 "Sort" types chips too lol
51:11 They remind me of Bocoe and Decoe from Sonic X
1:01:30 “TikTok here comes the Cuckoo Clock”. The name change would make sense
1:25:23 Duskull
Leg's Go!
Sorry, I just recently watched this the day the collection released. Here's a theory for your ice berg.
I have to wonder... In every game you virus bust you get zenny.
Lan's gotta be a millionaire at this point or not spending on upgrades and battle chips.
Makes you think if Lan's parents took that Zenny from each game and put it away as a college fund.
Another idea to think about battlechips. In mmbn2, when you enter Electopia and get kidnapped and lose your battlechips. The kidnapper says your chips "muat be rare" and sells them to Ms. Millions.
If battlechips are like trading cards, whats the market like in every country since the PETs can make and download battlechips like a 3D printer?
X is actual the first robot to have free will in the Mega Man Universe, the Mega Man 7 ending is english only and is not considered to be canon, Proto Man doesn't have freewill either since Light never told him he must get fixed and most of the other examples of suposed free will in the classic series have other explainations
I like to think that our world is a bit more serious about cyber security than the BN world. Sky Town is one of the most terrifying things I can imagine.
Yeah. We're about to have another X4 Sky Lagoon incident all over again.
Or Avengers Age of Ultron.
"Giga chips either have high power or strong special effects"
Also a Giga Chip, GutsmanV5 lmao. I never understood why they didn't like triple the power if they were gonna make that a Giga
3:21:14 Blackbeard likely uses the alias because in Japanese the word, Kurohige, uses hige which doesn’t actually mean beard, it’s just a word for facial hair.
Lunarlux poster has Megaman EXE and Beck from Mighty No 9
3:54:55
It's likely a generic mecha from the looks of it, but the design is unlikely to be Mazinger given how much more red and blue it uses as well as the shape of the hip connection being more like a skirt/kilt than and that it looks like it's got a samurai style helmet.
Certain elements - especially the horns on the helmet - still feel a bit similar to either Raideen (one of the mecha that inspired the plot of RahXephon) or possibly even Zambot 3. Makes more sense against Grendizer since it'd be a bit of a deeper cut than just going with Mazinger and calling it a day.
Completely unrelated, but it might've been fun if they updated that sprite to look like the Mazinger stand-in that they have in Tech Romancer, one of Capcom's mecha fighting games from the Dreamcast era.
Leg's go, Lan!!
The video mentions the spelling errors in MMBN4, but not MMBN1 or MMBN2…
In MMBN1, for a good chunk of the game, ProtoMan.EXE calls Chaud "Load Chaud" until late game when he starts properly referring to him as "Lord Chaud". There are a number of other typos, but I can only remember "Load Chaud" due to it being a recurring typo.
There are also some typos in, at the very least, the early game of MMBN2.
It's possible that the entire series is riddled with typos, but in MMBN4 the localization team was under way more crunch than usual and instead of putting out "good enough" they had to put out "it'll have to do" for MMBN4.
Oh, right… Gospel's leader is a great case of this…
It was in the NA English GBA versions, but he has at least three names;
• Sean
• Shaun
• Shawn
All of these names are pronounced the same, but in my GBA cartridges (MMBN2 if he is named there, and MMBN3W) it was like the localization team knew what his name sounded like, but nobody on the team talked to each other, and different people translates different sections of text, resulting in a different spelling each time.