@@Sig509but it's worse with Kendall since he pretends that he wants to listen to everyone and take their thoughts into consideration but then he just doesn't
Kendall doesn't have morals, he has ideas about having the morals. Because his motivation is ultimately selfish - he wants to be seen as a hero. And sometimes he convinces himself that he's that hero, other times he just pretends to believe it.
Kendall’s Nirvana needle drop/troll was especially savage since this was Shiv’s coronation into the company. Her escalation was off the charts but started from that wound.
I forgot all about that scene until a few minutes before it started. Then the anticipation kicked in. Shiv and Kendall are both the anti-christ. Roman looks better and better every episode.
One episode ago, Kendall was saying to Shiv that her only value is her "teats". Her older brother. And in this episode while his sister is speaking in front of the company for the first time (because historically she's never been valued) she gets taunted and humiliated with a song about rape. In the same episode he co-opts language like f*** the patriarchy and refuses to listen to anything his female lawyer or female PR person says. Please, please remember that Kendall is not a victim or a baby boy.
I agree. It feels like sometimes people don't hold the men in the show accountable the way they do with Shiv. They're all terrible people in this show and everyone knows that but Shiv gets a different treatment. It's like they never forget what she did wrong but they do forget what the men have done/said.
I've never viewed Kendall as a victim, but he's an easy character, relatively speaking for this show, to sympathize with and even root for while also being totally cognizant of his deep personal failings (particularly later in the series). I often root for Shiv more than any of the siblings because i share her general politics and being a woman in this industry she's an underdog, which makes her sympathetic. And I also understand that she's not above compromising her political beliefs and indeed the future of the nation if it means she gets a bigger share of the pie. And arguably none of that compares to Ken literally taking a life. It's good to have complex feelings about multilayered characters.
This is the episode where season 3 really takes off, imo, and it doesn't let up for the rest of the season (dare I say, rest of the series?). The next 16 weeks' journey with you guys is gonna be a joy to watch!
shiv is not a good person, none of them are, but i think it IS actually harder for her bcos they belittle her so often that she can never actually believe in anything or anyone
In terms of the political atmosphere, Shiv is the "nice one" she's the liberal in the group lmao. Kendall shot first, it's not her fault that her shots hit harder than his. Kendall has been kind of manic lately and he forgot who he is and what he's done. His family has always pulled his card. Logan did it in seasons 1 and 2. Shiv did it here.
Yup. People always talk about how Shiv reacts to things as if she doesn’t have reasons to react the way she does. Kendall came for her first. The brothers always do messed up shit, but when Shiv does it or does it back to them it’s a problem. Watching them react to season 4 is gonna be something else.
@@oo7362 omg trying to understand the motivations behind the characters' actions is not "justifying" them!! that would be a pretty shallow way to interact with art
0:49 know so many guys that are like this. Pretend they are in on the joke/able to laugh off stuff like that but they arent. Insecurity feigning security by being a good sport
I look forward to these reactions every Monday! Getting into your breaking bad watch too as I'm currently watching and almost finished the series. Maple, your hair is to die for
i wish more people discussed the direction of this episode. for a majority of the runtime it uses less zooms, slightly slower pans, and just overall more steadiness so that when the fbi raid happens and the camerawork goes back to its usual, shaky, mockumentary style it’s much more tense and anxiety inducing.
Kendall was so wronged in his childhood. Now he does everything to get ahead and be "the man", but when he is ahead, when he is in a good position, he just CAN´T trust in himself, he can´t trust that he can do it or that he is fit for it, again, because of his raising. He is condemned to do everything he can to "win" in life, while dealing with a parallel impulse to destroy any good position he can get in life. Just like Don Draper was for most of "Mad men". Sadly, Kendall doesn´t get to know his real self and accept it
"It's like he listens to rap that he thinks he should listen to, not because he actually likes it" this is literally 80% of the youth in the last 18 years. Everyone hides their music taste to fit in with the only socially accepted party music.
Kinda true but Ken even does it when he's alone. Like in episode 1. I don't think he has any real taste to hide. He just wants to like what he thinks he's supposed to like. Much like Patrick bateman. Also I wouldn't say it's the last 18 years. Older men who wanted to seem distinguished have pretended to like classical music for a century
@@Diegesis 18 years ago this phenomenon was definitely prevalent with rap music, I remember all of my preteen friends and older sister's friends I knew would all pretend to like rap music way more than they actually do. And now with my little sister and all of her friends, embarrassed to be caught listening to the music they like and instead blasting rap from their headphones. It just blows my mind people don't talk about this more. It's just everywhere. Kendall's issue is way different, yeah, I just thought it was worth noting. I'm sure classical music elitism is a thing. Most of it sucks ass, but some of it is gold. You should check out La Follia from Vivaldi, or Max Richter's revamp on Vivaldi's Four Seasons. Now that is some good shit Kendall might pretend to like.
I love seeing Shiv fall. Kendall and Roman are scum but Shiv is a different level of scum that feels entitlement to everything that's deserves nothing but ash in her mouth.
for real, how is each sibling in this family not insanely entitled? connor literally asked for a 100 mil like it's nothing like three episodes ago. kendall has believed he is owed the company from day 1. lol like why would shiv in particular piss you off this much
It's so weird how mad they get about Logan. It's like getting mad at a hurricane or tsunami. Besides, everyone else in the family is pretty much equally as bad. Just not on the surface. And at least he paid his dues. Built his fortune from nothing. Unlike his kids.
The built the empire part is always under appreciated. It’s not just some yeah but bit of context. It’s kinda the only reason anyone is in the room vying for a crown at all
The fact that Roman couldn't think of a single happy memory with Logan spoke volumes to me.
That hurt me. As annoying as Roman is, he's just a sad, lonely kid that was never loved by his father
after seeing this episode again everything makes even more sense now in the end
So true, all of these character beats carry over…this show is so well thought out
Kendall makes a point to hire smart successful women as his advisors. Then he refuses to listen to any of their advice.
I guess you could say that he's not a serious person
It's not like Shiv listens to advice. Such people just need poster childs.
@@Sig509but it's worse with Kendall since he pretends that he wants to listen to everyone and take their thoughts into consideration but then he just doesn't
Kendall doesn't have morals, he has ideas about having the morals. Because his motivation is ultimately selfish - he wants to be seen as a hero.
And sometimes he convinces himself that he's that hero, other times he just pretends to believe it.
Kendall’s Nirvana needle drop/troll was especially savage since this was Shiv’s coronation into the company. Her escalation was off the charts but started from that wound.
I forgot all about that scene until a few minutes before it started. Then the anticipation kicked in. Shiv and Kendall are both the anti-christ. Roman looks better and better every episode.
I would have vomited if someone gave me a watch and then asked for 40k.
"yeah sure.. Be right back" and I'd jump off the balcony
If I didn’t sign anything I’d just laugh it off and hand it back
@@bigpictureguys8415 Crazy thing about the situation is that with his wealth, that's the equivalent of me giving you a $40 watch.
One episode ago, Kendall was saying to Shiv that her only value is her "teats". Her older brother. And in this episode while his sister is speaking in front of the company for the first time (because historically she's never been valued) she gets taunted and humiliated with a song about rape. In the same episode he co-opts language like f*** the patriarchy and refuses to listen to anything his female lawyer or female PR person says. Please, please remember that Kendall is not a victim or a baby boy.
yep! the way women enable horrible men in the show and don’t hold them to the same standard is just sad
I agree. It feels like sometimes people don't hold the men in the show accountable the way they do with Shiv. They're all terrible people in this show and everyone knows that but Shiv gets a different treatment. It's like they never forget what she did wrong but they do forget what the men have done/said.
Perfectly put. I’ve had to read so many justifications for Logan, Kendall and Roman its insane.
finally a coherent comment, I can't stand how they portrait Shiv to be this so evil woman, and they treat the men as innocent babies.
I've never viewed Kendall as a victim, but he's an easy character, relatively speaking for this show, to sympathize with and even root for while also being totally cognizant of his deep personal failings (particularly later in the series). I often root for Shiv more than any of the siblings because i share her general politics and being a woman in this industry she's an underdog, which makes her sympathetic. And I also understand that she's not above compromising her political beliefs and indeed the future of the nation if it means she gets a bigger share of the pie. And arguably none of that compares to Ken literally taking a life. It's good to have complex feelings about multilayered characters.
Its so fucking funny the fact that logan in his privilege actually thinks that they can ask the fbi if they can come back tomorrow. Insane
This is the episode where season 3 really takes off, imo, and it doesn't let up for the rest of the season (dare I say, rest of the series?). The next 16 weeks' journey with you guys is gonna be a joy to watch!
Tom: I'll buy you a watch Greg.
Ken: I'm not your sugar daddy that will buy you a watch.
I think there's a ''subtle'' hint there. 😆
“Every time he gets a little ahead he just…”
The word for that is ‘hubris’.
Cringe God Kendall might be my favourite guilty pleasure character. It's SO hard to watch him but I can't look away
Always great rewatching my favourite show of all time on this platform. Looking forward to more episodes and more reactions
I wanna see Connor and his ponytail
Same
“Laws like cobwebs, strong enough to hold only the weak.”
shiv is not a good person, none of them are, but i think it IS actually harder for her bcos they belittle her so often that she can never actually believe in anything or anyone
Nah because Logan calling Roman the F word just said everything about the dynamic between the two.
Roman is kinda faggy though
In terms of the political atmosphere, Shiv is the "nice one" she's the liberal in the group lmao. Kendall shot first, it's not her fault that her shots hit harder than his. Kendall has been kind of manic lately and he forgot who he is and what he's done. His family has always pulled his card. Logan did it in seasons 1 and 2. Shiv did it here.
Yup. People always talk about how Shiv reacts to things as if she doesn’t have reasons to react the way she does. Kendall came for her first. The brothers always do messed up shit, but when Shiv does it or does it back to them it’s a problem. Watching them react to season 4 is gonna be something else.
the point of the show is everyone is awful and wrong in their own way.Stop justifying and defending them.
Shiv proves that your political orientation has nothing to do with empathy.
@@oo7362 omg trying to understand the motivations behind the characters' actions is not "justifying" them!! that would be a pretty shallow way to interact with art
@@vbb2076 the state of media literacy is abysmal.
0:49 know so many guys that are like this. Pretend they are in on the joke/able to laugh off stuff like that but they arent.
Insecurity feigning security by being a good sport
It's impossible not to crush on Shiv. It's almost distracting.
I look forward to these reactions every Monday! Getting into your breaking bad watch too as I'm currently watching and almost finished the series. Maple, your hair is to die for
i wish more people discussed the direction of this episode. for a majority of the runtime it uses less zooms, slightly slower pans, and just overall more steadiness so that when the fbi raid happens and the camerawork goes back to its usual, shaky, mockumentary style it’s much more tense and anxiety inducing.
Tom is never beating the Sugar daddy allegations 😂
That Sophie Iwobi character is the most annoying type of social commentator that you see on TV.
It’s a times new roman firing squad is such an underrated piece of writing.
This was a great episode, chills at the ending
is this episode the first mention of gojo
I noticed that too and I think it is
I thought the same thing about the blondes eyeing Tom.
love maples headband . so Cute
Kendall was so wronged in his childhood. Now he does everything to get ahead and be "the man", but when he is ahead, when he is in a good position, he just CAN´T trust in himself, he can´t trust that he can do it or that he is fit for it, again, because of his raising. He is condemned to do everything he can to "win" in life, while dealing with a parallel impulse to destroy any good position he can get in life. Just like Don Draper was for most of "Mad men". Sadly, Kendall doesn´t get to know his real self and accept it
All I see is Michael Scott’s roast 😂💔
It's a Times New Roman firing squad
started watching your guy's succession reactions. i love the vibe and you have all the right opinions. you have no idea what you're in for yet lol
i’m so excited for you to get to piss mad
9:01 he isn’t though 🤷🏼♂️.
As far as the kind of stuff in the story/ what Lester did
"It's like he listens to rap that he thinks he should listen to, not because he actually likes it" this is literally 80% of the youth in the last 18 years. Everyone hides their music taste to fit in with the only socially accepted party music.
Kinda true but Ken even does it when he's alone. Like in episode 1.
I don't think he has any real taste to hide. He just wants to like what he thinks he's supposed to like. Much like Patrick bateman.
Also I wouldn't say it's the last 18 years. Older men who wanted to seem distinguished have pretended to like classical music for a century
@@Diegesis 18 years ago this phenomenon was definitely prevalent with rap music, I remember all of my preteen friends and older sister's friends I knew would all pretend to like rap music way more than they actually do. And now with my little sister and all of her friends, embarrassed to be caught listening to the music they like and instead blasting rap from their headphones. It just blows my mind people don't talk about this more. It's just everywhere.
Kendall's issue is way different, yeah, I just thought it was worth noting. I'm sure classical music elitism is a thing. Most of it sucks ass, but some of it is gold. You should check out La Follia from Vivaldi, or Max Richter's revamp on Vivaldi's Four Seasons. Now that is some good shit Kendall might pretend to like.
what in god's name are you talking about.
@@samgradyfilm ?
Out of curiositry, what's up with the constant zooming?
I assume it's to avoid copyright issues
It’s also funny 🤷🏼♂️
More breaking bad
tuesdays
I love seeing Shiv fall. Kendall and Roman are scum but Shiv is a different level of scum that feels entitlement to everything that's deserves nothing but ash in her mouth.
Damn
they are all the same shit
the only thing different is that she is a woman lmao
from this comment alone, I can tell this is a bigger issue for you that goes beyond the show.
@@samgradyfilm What?
for real, how is each sibling in this family not insanely entitled? connor literally asked for a 100 mil like it's nothing like three episodes ago. kendall has believed he is owed the company from day 1. lol like why would shiv in particular piss you off this much
It's so weird how mad they get about Logan. It's like getting mad at a hurricane or tsunami. Besides, everyone else in the family is pretty much equally as bad. Just not on the surface. And at least he paid his dues. Built his fortune from nothing. Unlike his kids.
Obviously the kids chose to be born to Logan and be abused by him is what you are getting at.
Are you saying Logan wasn't abused by his guardians growing up?@@kvm6
The built the empire part is always under appreciated. It’s not just some yeah but bit of context. It’s kinda the only reason anyone is in the room vying for a crown at all
this is an insane take.
@@samgradyfilm Which part? That everyone sucks but at least he’s somewhat transparent and not a nepo baby? Am I wrong?