Shiv never tries to partner, support or learn from anyone. Karl, Frank, Gerri went to school, have 20+ years, and are self made. Why would they respect an outsider with no knowledge, barking orders at them.
@@Diegesis She (an other kids) has been taken down from her high horse way to few times in the series. The strongest example was in the first season I think, when she tried to push a narrative for a senator who was her client at the time, and the lady from the TV station openly said to her that the only reason we are speaking is because your name is matching the one carved on the building... She lived in a self delusion, not aware that she had the clients in the first place was not because of her skills, but because of the family connections, and perceived influence on ATN... Anyway, as OP said, Karl, Gerri, and Frank are veterans, people who know the company inside out, have experience, knowledge, and coudl've been working at any major company. She should be learning from them (and she needs it, because in contrast to Ken she does not have any business education, or experience), not trashing them. There was a scene in the Argestes episode I think, where she was left out in the US with Frank, and he wanted to do a an audit with her, and she blew him off like it was something beneath her, and not understanding that she needs to have at least a basic understanding of economics terms, various KPIs, standards etc. To speak the same language as the rest of them. She was also too dumb to realize that it could've been a TEST by Logan. How she would react, how Frank would evaluate her etc. All the kids are bad, but Shiv when it comes to the business is just to impatient, and as Rhea said, thinks that she is smarter than everyone else. Even Roman was, and is involved with the daily running of a company on a greater scale than she.
this whole episode is so uncomfortable...all the power moves....but i like the scene of Tom's admission to Greg that he'd rather "marry" him than going to prison/being with shiv.
Yet another sensational episode. This one had me glued and anxious all throughout, truly an incredible experience. Succession is so far the only show that takes me there.
"Ask your fucking IPhone" was SOOO personal of a line. Logan actually broke and asked Ken for water. That's as, "You're my son, I need your help" as Logan gets. And Kendall turns on him. He turns on his Dad because he's been hardened to be a killer on the business over his Dad's health. This episode showed that the father/son bond is broken forever.
I think also maybe Kendall was so caught up in his anger that he didn't really noticed that Logan was really feeling bad. That "Ask your fucking iPhone" was just automatic angry response
@@wildpendulum Nah, that's more than just anger. That's decades of watching Logan be on the phone. Connor said the same thing in season one about "waiting for a few calls." Ask your fucking iPhone was so cutting by Kendall. That was a huge fuck you.
It's a real switch of the roles. Usually when someone's vulnerable like that to Logan he snaps and makes a snarky comment, now he's the one being vulnerable and it's being shoved right back in his face
That meal on the beach. All of that food. Just wasted. People cooked that. And then multiple people had trudge it out and set it up. And they didn't eat it. Scenes like that stick out to me because it's probably realistic with Billionaires.
Reminds me of that summerhouse lunch in season 2 where Sooo much delicious food was made and logan told them to throw it all out and that they will order pizza due to the 'odour'.
@@the_crypter But at least I could understand him thinking the food was contaminated. And he replaced it with pizza so that would be a win for me. Even though I do love lobster and seafood.
yes and no. Sure it is a waste, and it is disgraceful, but people you've named were paid for their job, as well as everything there was bought (so the sellers also earned). Sure, it was poitnless, but at least it created employment.
@@Sig509 True. But what is your major malfunction if you can sit in front of that spread and then walk away like it was just ritz crackers and cheese. I would have completely forgotten why I was even there and been stuffing my face like a kid in a candy store.
Poor little Shiv got the business this episode. It's so funny how she thinks that because she has the name that she has control, when in reality she's a joke (like the rest of the kids tbh)
So your Monday fix is Walter White and your Tuesday fix is Kendall? lol just pointing out how those vague descriptions could practically describe both shows
Why are you so insistent that Kendall is a good person? No one on this show is good. He only gave documents to the DOJ once he was the one who was taking the fall (he knew about it for years, which he admitted a couple of episodes ago). Don't get me wrong, we can have our favorites but let's not forget they're all bad people.
@samgradyfilm Very childish to think the characters that are shown repeatedly to be bad people, might in fact be bad. I'm pointing to a part in the video where everyone was insistent that Kendall is a good person, despite being involved in cover ups, doing cocaine off his kids ipads, multiple sexist incidents, being legally responsible for the death of someone (if you are intoxicated and behind the wheel you're responsible), neglecting his kids, he destroyed the reputations of the two women at that art startupt up because he was rejected, allowed a fascist to be voted in to advance his own position and get back at his sister - these are the ones off the top of my head. My favorite is a bad person too. But I enjoy that part of his character - I don't have my head in the sand about it. I'm a little over the Kendall fans excusing his behaviour where they don't show other characters the same grace.
@@samgradyfilm Watching this entire show and thinking Ken's an innocent is a child's view. He's not the devil, but he's no particularly good either. S4 should've proven that. He's more of a performative activist than Shiv, which is saying something, yet he's permissive of terrible shit so long as it benefits him. Just about every character in this show is deeply, deeply flawed, and there's not many net good people around. It's fine to sympathize with Ken, but why pretend he's any better than the rest of them lol. After seeing the show, that's a hard position to defend.
Thank you for the great breakdowns, guys. Apart from anything else, it gives me an excuse to rewatch the series again :-) I want to say, though, that this is EASILY my least favourite episode of Succession. The scenes with Adrian Brody's character really just go over old ground - Logan and Ken are annoyed at each other, the company is in a difficult corner etc. etc. We knew ALL of that stuff already, and from the start of the episode to its end, none of the events do anything to alter the stakes. It's a weirdly flat effort from a team of writers who normally floor me with their brilliance. Hard to understand, really. Plus, Brody's character retains the self-interested and assholish qualities of all the others on the show, but the writers haven't given him any other real characteristics to pique my interest. He's less developed than 'Angela', the art dealer from Season 1 Episode 8, and she was on screen for about five minutes total. No shade on the actor of course - I think Adrian Brody is convincing and quite charismatic in the role. The fact that I find my attention wandering is (again) purely down to the writing. That's not a thing I could say about ANY of the other 38 episodes I d'know ... I guess this one was just an attempt to do a 'bottle episode' that backfired. That said, before re-watching I'd totally forgotten that S3 Ep04 is also the one where the Nero and Sporus thing was introduced. For me, this and the other Tom & Greg stuff kind of rescues 'Lion in The Meadow' from being unique among Succession episodes, in that it's otherwise completely skippable 😞
I feel like no one wanted to listen to Shiv because she gave respect to no one and never cared to shadow/ learn from people like Karl and Gerri. She just came in and started giving out orders.
The Nero and Sporus scene is one of the funniest yet emotionally complex scenes I’ve ever seen
"Stewy with his boat shoes and no socks is the most annoying thing." - wait till you get a load of Lucas Mattson!
They met him on patreon and yeah. Big personality lol
Josh and his five layers is even better
The Nero and Sporis story adds a lot to the two characters of Tom and Greg.
I am not familiar with that IP.
Shiv never tries to partner, support or learn from anyone. Karl, Frank, Gerri went to school, have 20+ years, and are self made. Why would they respect an outsider with no knowledge, barking orders at them.
Cause shiv has big "do you know who my father is?" Energy
@@Diegesis She (an other kids) has been taken down from her high horse way to few times in the series. The strongest example was in the first season I think, when she tried to push a narrative for a senator who was her client at the time, and the lady from the TV station openly said to her that the only reason we are speaking is because your name is matching the one carved on the building... She lived in a self delusion, not aware that she had the clients in the first place was not because of her skills, but because of the family connections, and perceived influence on ATN...
Anyway, as OP said, Karl, Gerri, and Frank are veterans, people who know the company inside out, have experience, knowledge, and coudl've been working at any major company. She should be learning from them (and she needs it, because in contrast to Ken she does not have any business education, or experience), not trashing them. There was a scene in the Argestes episode I think, where she was left out in the US with Frank, and he wanted to do a an audit with her, and she blew him off like it was something beneath her, and not understanding that she needs to have at least a basic understanding of economics terms, various KPIs, standards etc. To speak the same language as the rest of them. She was also too dumb to realize that it could've been a TEST by Logan. How she would react, how Frank would evaluate her etc.
All the kids are bad, but Shiv when it comes to the business is just to impatient, and as Rhea said, thinks that she is smarter than everyone else. Even Roman was, and is involved with the daily running of a company on a greater scale than she.
Adrien Brody got Emmy nominated for this episode alone.
the auto-caption saying "welcome back to diet jesus" always cracks me up
Sometimes mine says die Jesus instead of diet.
this whole episode is so uncomfortable...all the power moves....but i like the scene of Tom's admission to Greg that he'd rather "marry" him than going to prison/being with shiv.
Yet another sensational episode. This one had me glued and anxious all throughout, truly an incredible experience. Succession is so far the only show that takes me there.
Nero and Sporus are my favorite
I think this and the final got him that Emmy😂
That's not an IP that I'm familiar with.
Haha
"you're so hard to riff with Greg!"
I'm so here for Adrien Brody in anything. I'll watch that guy eat cereal.
"Ask your fucking IPhone" was SOOO personal of a line. Logan actually broke and asked Ken for water. That's as, "You're my son, I need your help" as Logan gets. And Kendall turns on him. He turns on his Dad because he's been hardened to be a killer on the business over his Dad's health. This episode showed that the father/son bond is broken forever.
I think also maybe Kendall was so caught up in his anger that he didn't really noticed that Logan was really feeling bad. That "Ask your fucking iPhone" was just automatic angry response
@@wildpendulum Nah, that's more than just anger. That's decades of watching Logan be on the phone. Connor said the same thing in season one about "waiting for a few calls." Ask your fucking iPhone was so cutting by Kendall. That was a huge fuck you.
Door Dash can bring you water. Kendall actually thought he was being helpful. He thinks asking your phone is how you get things.
It's a real switch of the roles. Usually when someone's vulnerable like that to Logan he snaps and makes a snarky comment, now he's the one being vulnerable and it's being shoved right back in his face
@@John_Locke_108 sure bud 🤣
That meal on the beach. All of that food. Just wasted. People cooked that. And then multiple people had trudge it out and set it up. And they didn't eat it. Scenes like that stick out to me because it's probably realistic with Billionaires.
Reminds me of that summerhouse lunch in season 2 where Sooo much delicious food was made and logan told them to throw it all out and that they will order pizza due to the 'odour'.
@@the_crypter But at least I could understand him thinking the food was contaminated. And he replaced it with pizza so that would be a win for me. Even though I do love lobster and seafood.
yes and no. Sure it is a waste, and it is disgraceful, but people you've named were paid for their job, as well as everything there was bought (so the sellers also earned). Sure, it was poitnless, but at least it created employment.
@@Sig509 True. But what is your major malfunction if you can sit in front of that spread and then walk away like it was just ritz crackers and cheese. I would have completely forgotten why I was even there and been stuffing my face like a kid in a candy store.
Seeing Adrian Brody makes me want them to watch another one of my favs, Peaky Blinders
Need to check that out. Just finished watching him in Winning Time. Loved him in The Jacket.
@jxchamb He isn't all over in the show mostly just one season but he is one of the standouts
Yeah I wanna cover PB soon
@Diegesis Yes pls would love that keep up with this trend of covering some of the best shows ever imo
@@belowpressureyes but we are running low lol
Poor little Shiv got the business this episode. It's so funny how she thinks that because she has the name that she has control, when in reality she's a joke (like the rest of the kids tbh)
My Monday fix is greed and power.
My Tuesday fix is lessons in meth.
Love this channel.
We 🫶🏼 you
Don’t forget improv and assassination.
So your Monday fix is Walter White and your Tuesday fix is Kendall?
lol just pointing out how those vague descriptions could practically describe both shows
23:57 look forward to her upcoming peaky blinders reaction.
Don't be shy, drop this episode now
Some of the episodes get so wild I wish everyone watched this show
I'm rewatching your reactions because I miss this show! 😢
Things will start to pick up after this 😊
Why are you so insistent that Kendall is a good person? No one on this show is good. He only gave documents to the DOJ once he was the one who was taking the fall (he knew about it for years, which he admitted a couple of episodes ago).
Don't get me wrong, we can have our favorites but let's not forget they're all bad people.
That's a child's view.
@samgradyfilm Very childish to think the characters that are shown repeatedly to be bad people, might in fact be bad.
I'm pointing to a part in the video where everyone was insistent that Kendall is a good person, despite being involved in cover ups, doing cocaine off his kids ipads, multiple sexist incidents, being legally responsible for the death of someone (if you are intoxicated and behind the wheel you're responsible), neglecting his kids, he destroyed the reputations of the two women at that art startupt up because he was rejected, allowed a fascist to be voted in to advance his own position and get back at his sister - these are the ones off the top of my head.
My favorite is a bad person too. But I enjoy that part of his character - I don't have my head in the sand about it.
I'm a little over the Kendall fans excusing his behaviour where they don't show other characters the same grace.
@@samgradyfilm Watching this entire show and thinking Ken's an innocent is a child's view. He's not the devil, but he's no particularly good either. S4 should've proven that. He's more of a performative activist than Shiv, which is saying something, yet he's permissive of terrible shit so long as it benefits him. Just about every character in this show is deeply, deeply flawed, and there's not many net good people around. It's fine to sympathize with Ken, but why pretend he's any better than the rest of them lol. After seeing the show, that's a hard position to defend.
watch you and succession every Monday after work. Now i am in vacation and dont use youtobe.. but i did watch this!
i love diet jesus !1!!
Thank you for the great breakdowns, guys. Apart from anything else, it gives me an excuse to rewatch the series again :-)
I want to say, though, that this is EASILY my least favourite episode of Succession.
The scenes with Adrian Brody's character really just go over old ground - Logan and Ken are annoyed at each other, the company is in a difficult corner etc. etc. We knew ALL of that stuff already, and from the start of the episode to its end, none of the events do anything to alter the stakes. It's a weirdly flat effort from a team of writers who normally floor me with their brilliance. Hard to understand, really.
Plus, Brody's character retains the self-interested and assholish qualities of all the others on the show, but the writers haven't given him any other real characteristics to pique my interest. He's less developed than 'Angela', the art dealer from Season 1 Episode 8, and she was on screen for about five minutes total.
No shade on the actor of course - I think Adrian Brody is convincing and quite charismatic in the role. The fact that I find my attention wandering is (again) purely down to the writing. That's not a thing I could say about ANY of the other 38 episodes
I d'know ... I guess this one was just an attempt to do a 'bottle episode' that backfired.
That said, before re-watching I'd totally forgotten that S3 Ep04 is also the one where the Nero and Sporus thing was introduced. For me, this and the other Tom & Greg stuff kind of rescues 'Lion in The Meadow' from being unique among Succession episodes, in that it's otherwise completely skippable 😞
I feel like no one wanted to listen to Shiv because she gave respect to no one and never cared to shadow/ learn from people like Karl and Gerri. She just came in and started giving out orders.
This is not an IP I'm familiar with.
Finally
Chad what’d you think of Oppenheimer and Talk To Me
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I think this is actually the worst episode of the whole show.
Wokehontas xD, Roman does not fail to amuse.