Why do we need to thank them? The GT products make huge profits for them. How about giving thanks to Porsche when they let regular buyers actually get an allocation.
Believe me, we thank them by buying EVERY SINGLE ONE they make..... and thank the dealers even more by paying huge overages. I paid $40k over for a Touring allocation and actually feel like I got a great deal 🤦🏻♂️
I think I like the Touring more. But if I want a “Touring” I would probably choose the 991.2. Smoother ride, and the extra front end grip and responsiveness from the double wishbone isn’t really needed on the road.
@@samwisee Of course I do or I would not comment, do you?
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Yeah sometimes it’s good to take a step down with tires. We did the same with McLaren 765LT and put Michelin PS4S on. The car became fluid and much more drivable even in wet conditions.
Great video. Great engineering. Bad ethics/sales: 1. How they treat people in terms of allocation deserves some shade. 2. The car is a poor street car (see review by Harry Metcalfe). It has gone too hardcore. Simple to fix really...more shock settings and it woudl be perfect...and stock front end rise. Done. Make it 120k. Make normal 911 78k. Make boxter/cayman 45 k. Done. Lots of happy people. Porsche would be just fine.
I really liked this video and John's presentation, well done! Beautifully presented with all the right emotions and all the information you'll ever need. And I appreciate the 21:9 ration of the video, I can use all of my screen and it feels even more cinematographic.
Everyone thanking porsche and the review here mentions if u won't the lottery. Well here's the thing I phoned porsche to buy one - proper intention and quite simply you'll never get one. So when asked the question as per this review of what car to buy if u won the lottery well it won't be this one as you can't get one!!!
We don't always need you buy NEW..a "certified-pre-owned" from a Porsche dealer is still a worthwhile option.... Tell there's a naturally aspirated 911 midweek between the S and GTS....
Looking forward to a GT3 touring in manual! Having driven the 991.2 GT3 and 992 GT3, I do enjoy the increased handling of the 992. However, this difference was really only appreciated to any great extent on track and made more apparent because it was back-to-back. Love the manuals for B-road driving and in all honesty, if it wasn’t for my long desire for a GT3 touring, I would have stopped with the 718 Spyder manual. I actually find the smaller, more nimble Spyder to be the better B-road car!
Great follow up review and focus on the questions buyers have. One suggestion for any later 911 review that addresses ride quality, tires, etc - please speak to the tire pressures being used. 911s are incredibly sensitive to tire pressures and can be set at Porsche’s ‘Comfort Pressure’ setting. I’m always curious if for safety reasons Porsche delivers press cars with very high pressures (just as many dealer demonstrators are) which can make the car ride harshly and feel like it has an entirely different suspension versus the lower pressure rates that most owners actually run their cars at for road use. The difference can be dramatic and it would be great to have some context on that from a thoughtful review like this. Thanks…
As a follow up to this, I have often wondered why tire pressures are not discussed in all videos about all cars-not just 911. Raising the tire pressures to psi above recommended settings does crazy thing to the handling and dynamics of cars that I wish people would discuss. Manufacturers recommended settings are one thing, but all tires have a safe range that you can play with up to max psi, that, if you change it, it really affects the dynamics of the car. And it’s okay to change them, despite what people say. For example, car manufacturers have long known and accounted for the need to raise cold psi to much higher above the manufacturer settings for high speed runs (which is why they probably deliver the tires much more inflated to the press). If you are running 150 mph, you need at least 10 psi above manufacturer’s recommendations. This should be discussed. Thank you for pointing this out.
Oh, at 7:35 seconds, it shows the tire pressures at around 2.6-2.7 bar for the tires. I’m not sure if that is comfort or sport setting for the 911, but there you go.
Great review John, keep them coming. As an owner I appreciate your insight on the two OE tires. You perspective on that topic may go a long way towards explaining the different perspectives on ride/steering between the early reviews of the winged car. Thx
Come on! I'm not an engineer and even I realise that tinkering with tow and camber - both of which are adjustable on the GT3 - can make a massive difference to how the car behaves over cambers and imperfections in the road. Blaming it all on the tyres alone is plain dumb, especially from a motoring journalist.
Pzero’s can obviously be fitted to a winged gt3, so this is not a magically better street car. People pretending the touring is inherently different is disingenuous. You didn’t really fall into that trap, like so many other reviewers, so thank you for that.
That's not how you should look at it. They are in fact a bit different. The rear dampers are tuned to be slightly firmer in the SPASM system on the winged car. But the rest is the tyres. They make a MASSIVE difference. Not sure what you mean by "can obviously be fitted". The Pzero is not unique to the Touring. What a winged GT3 gets, solely depends on what's in stock on the day the wheels are fitted at the factory. I have about 6000 km on my Touring by now, and I have quite a bit of seat time in the winged version, and they do feel a bit different.
911 turbo colour calypso mett 😍with all exposed carbon bonnet spoiler carbon roof carbon bucket Seats carbon fixed) Manual gearbox with silver wheels with carbon ceramic… Black calipers for the discrete look 😎 Keeping the wheels on the ground and spin up faster and stop faster also 🤌 Full Alcantara interior with black stitching throughout with white dials 👌😍😍😍😍 with Pirelli Trofeo r tires With the upgraded front lights
Re : Drive ride , it’s either tires, (cup 2 vs P zero , ) or roads . I just got my GT3 with cup 2 , in Victoria BC. The drive is firm but fine . Our roads aren’t the greatest . The big threat are stones wedging between the brake caliber and rim. Gouging . Our turbo S in 4 weeks had this happen 3 times. Your rim is gouged out . 650 dollars to fix. Not fun. Took the tire and rim insurance on this car. So far this car could be a keeper 👍
Will Smith but it's such an amazing car for $200,000 anything is f****** amazing. even a 2000 Chevy Suburban with a 5.3 when you can invest $600 into the motor and get the same horsepower what a piece of trash
I have tried and you cannot buy one. I contacted Porsche UK who said the dealers have a cartel. You must buy at least four Porsches before they will sell you a GT3 or GT3 Touring and Porsche UK do not go along with this. I have it writing.
If I could build the touring with old school (1973) “Carrera” side script, offer numerous wheel color choices, manual, PTS paint from the early 1970s, and offer an OEM duck tail, and cease the ridiculous ADMs/limited availability, then I’m all in on the touring. Great review. Cheers/B
I'm American all the way, every time I see a expensive car with the steering column on the opposite side of American cars I wanna just take a steel wrecking ball to it! I wouldn't even want to drive it because it would feel so awkward!
This is the best Drivers Car on this Planet in the Moment. With the Touring Package it´s also the best looking GT3. No big Spoiler at the End it looks amazing.
ok so i owned few porsches, so aside from blind love to gt3... you werent ringing it to 8 grant... and u forgot to mention there is f all power down the rev range... where are you going to ring your touring to 7 or 8 thousand rpm? track? b roads? lol
its a shame they dont drive too fast but camera editing, trickery and using high rev engine notes at low speed all serve to deceive the public. wudnt expect anything more from PH.
its not pretty is it. that bonnet with air vents, those intakes under the front lights, its not elegant.. nor is that backend with the diffuser and silly moving spoiler
Does this not have a gpf? Because it sounds a lot more like the 911r or the gt3rs of the last generation. If thats the case, why on earth would people buy the normal gt3 which sounds a lot worse?
It really irritates when car journos giggle like teenage girls.It is a trend. A chris starts it and Henry has nis nose in Chris’ ass ja the howles and car vloggers follow. Also it is amazing the from the generation to generation they all say: “This has none of the understeer left of the previous 911-generation.” But 911 is a heaven. I got one. This complain was not about the car but the stereotype of a car journo.
great car, great review - but the audio is horrible in this video... I don't know if it's the background music/noise or simple the volume of the speaker.... it's hard to follow and listen...
Okay/ drove a GT3 at the experience center LA today and that car is not that big a deal. The instructors I talked with agreed with my conclusion, GT4 is a lot nicer car overall.
"It's a little bit raw" That's exactly why this car is totally exciting. And I plan my next 911 to be a GT3 Touring while my beloved one would prefer a Targa 4S (violet, no less!).
Porsche should offer a storage pack option for the missing rear seats. Would transform practicality. Then owners really could go touring! (I realise this comment is a hanging offence of misplaced priority for of all things, a GT3🤣)
“That is just joy” I don’t think truer words about 911 gt3 have ever been spoken, and when I think about it, cars for us petrolheads/gearheads in general...
The gearbox choice for road/track is backwards IMHO. You go to the race track to explore the limits of both you and the car and most important of all to have fun, not to chase the ultimate lap time. That is the reason the manual is better on track. The PDK is better on the road for obvious reasons.
My guess is the car you drove on track had Porsche's track alignment settings. More camber, zero toe up front, negative toe in the rear. It transforms the car on track but gets to be really darty on the street.
Porsche could make more of these but have relised that the unattainable creates the perfect buzz around the GT cars and the brand. Yep one day I hope to get one - in the meantime ill watch these great vids and day dream.
I thought it was Chris Harris presenting just hearing the voice in the beginning.
"it's a little bit raw, that's the point" what a refreshing perspective
That's what Porsche is all about, 75year without major changes if it's not broke don't fix it!!😎
This is a great review from this guy , very enjoyable and what a machine he's driving . Thanks guys .
Seriously, a big thank you to Porsche, for keeping the GT3 badge alive at the moment when people are moving towards EVS🤗
Why do we need to thank them? The GT products make huge profits for them. How about giving thanks to Porsche when they let regular buyers actually get an allocation.
@@TML34 x 1,000,000 - well said and could not agree more. The current behavior by Porsche is elitist and wrong.
@@jeffreyb.1657 Couldn't agree more! Its hurting the brand.
Believe me, we thank them by buying EVERY SINGLE ONE they make..... and thank the dealers even more by paying huge overages. I paid $40k over for a Touring allocation and actually feel like I got a great deal 🤦🏻♂️
@@jameswillard1 $40k for optional extras?
Not against the wing, but removing it and replacing it with a hidden wing is dumb. It should be a duck tail. Simpler and less weight.
Agree, but I hope you mean the duck tail 😂
This is my ultimate car
I don’t want a Lamborghini or a Ferrari ! I want it
Cheers from San Diego California
I think I like the Touring more. But if I want a “Touring” I would probably choose the 991.2. Smoother ride, and the extra front end grip and responsiveness from the double wishbone isn’t really needed on the road.
And imo, it looks better. Not that the 992 looks bad, it's just the 991.2 is perfection.
@@HiddenWen As you Know, that’s totally subjective, I personally think that the old car looks dated now
Of course it is needed, not everywhere has a 70 mph national speed limit.People who drive these cars also break speed limits.
@@melreid122 have you driven any GT3s?
@@samwisee Of course I do or I would not comment, do you?
Yeah sometimes it’s good to take a step down with tires. We did the same with McLaren 765LT and put Michelin PS4S on. The car became fluid and much more drivable even in wet conditions.
How does the 765 put its power down with the PS4S’s?
@@jameswillard1 surprisingly good
Great video. Great engineering.
Bad ethics/sales:
1. How they treat people in terms of allocation deserves some shade.
2. The car is a poor street car (see review by Harry Metcalfe). It has gone too hardcore. Simple to fix really...more shock settings and it woudl be perfect...and stock front end rise.
Done. Make it 120k. Make normal 911 78k. Make boxter/cayman 45 k. Done.
Lots of happy people. Porsche would be just fine.
I really liked this video and John's presentation, well done! Beautifully presented with all the right emotions and all the information you'll ever need. And I appreciate the 21:9 ration of the video, I can use all of my screen and it feels even more cinematographic.
Everyone thanking porsche and the review here mentions if u won't the lottery. Well here's the thing I phoned porsche to buy one - proper intention and quite simply you'll never get one. So when asked the question as per this review of what car to buy if u won the lottery well it won't be this one as you can't get one!!!
His voice is like the one from chris harris 😳
Yeah, when I heard the voiceover at the start I was like “Is that Chris”?
I would say even better, because Chris is already too much over the cars - if can understand me ;) Chris is already missing the authenticity
@@CandyX1979 No, I can’t. Sorry.
@@jryalls me too 😂
@@CandyX1979 no i wouldn't say that
Porsche certainly know how to make a great car 👏🏻
Quite agree, would have this over any hypercar. As the for the tyres, you’d no doubt notice even more difference with some Pilot Sport 4S.
Are they even better on dry roads? I heard they were better for mixed conditions.
Chris Harris looks different
Definitely the best thing you've done since leaving Hollyoaks 👍🏻
This is a Tony Hutchinson joke yeah?
Great video lads!
I’d go for the the touring version but can’t go wrong with either
lohith : you can't afford this car !!! stop dreaming ! You better watch GR86 or MX-5 videos, they are good affordable sports cars !
Great video. Well done John and PH team. Keep it up and have fun!
Great to see Jason Segel loves the GT3 just as much as I do.
It’s amazing that Marshall Erikssen fits in a 911 too
Tony from Hollyoaks clearly likes GT3s too. Great review Pistonheads.
We don't always need you buy NEW..a "certified-pre-owned" from a Porsche dealer is still a worthwhile option....
Tell there's a naturally aspirated 911 midweek between the S and GTS....
Looking forward to a GT3 touring in manual! Having driven the 991.2 GT3 and 992 GT3, I do enjoy the increased handling of the 992. However, this difference was really only appreciated to any great extent on track and made more apparent because it was back-to-back. Love the manuals for B-road driving and in all honesty, if it wasn’t for my long desire for a GT3 touring, I would have stopped with the 718 Spyder manual. I actually find the smaller, more nimble Spyder to be the better B-road car!
Great follow up review and focus on the questions buyers have. One suggestion for any later 911 review that addresses ride quality, tires, etc - please speak to the tire pressures being used. 911s are incredibly sensitive to tire pressures and can be set at Porsche’s ‘Comfort Pressure’ setting. I’m always curious if for safety reasons Porsche delivers press cars with very high pressures (just as many dealer demonstrators are) which can make the car ride harshly and feel like it has an entirely different suspension versus the lower pressure rates that most owners actually run their cars at for road use. The difference can be dramatic and it would be great to have some context on that from a thoughtful review like this. Thanks…
As a follow up to this, I have often wondered why tire pressures are not discussed in all videos about all cars-not just 911. Raising the tire pressures to psi above recommended settings does crazy thing to the handling and dynamics of cars that I wish people would discuss. Manufacturers recommended settings are one thing, but all tires have a safe range that you can play with up to max psi, that, if you change it, it really affects the dynamics of the car. And it’s okay to change them, despite what people say. For example, car manufacturers have long known and accounted for the need to raise cold psi to much higher above the manufacturer settings for high speed runs (which is why they probably deliver the tires much more inflated to the press). If you are running 150 mph, you need at least 10 psi above manufacturer’s recommendations. This should be discussed. Thank you for pointing this out.
Oh, at 7:35 seconds, it shows the tire pressures at around 2.6-2.7 bar for the tires. I’m not sure if that is comfort or sport setting for the 911, but there you go.
First time watching John. I absolutely love this guy! Please, more of him!
First time watching John. I absolutely love this guy! Please, more of him!
Great review John, keep them coming. As an owner I appreciate your insight on the two OE tires. You perspective on that topic may go a long way towards explaining the different perspectives on ride/steering between the early reviews of the winged car. Thx
Come on! I'm not an engineer and even I realise that tinkering with tow and camber - both of which are adjustable on the GT3 - can make a massive difference to how the car behaves over cambers and imperfections in the road. Blaming it all on the tyres alone is plain dumb, especially from a motoring journalist.
aleksandar : motoring journalist are random newbies talking about cars. sad.
This guy is brilliant. His enthusiasm for driving really shines through. 👍
Pzero’s can obviously be fitted to a winged gt3, so this is not a magically better street car. People pretending the touring is inherently different is disingenuous. You didn’t really fall into that trap, like so many other reviewers, so thank you for that.
That's not how you should look at it. They are in fact a bit different. The rear dampers are tuned to be slightly firmer in the SPASM system on the winged car. But the rest is the tyres. They make a MASSIVE difference. Not sure what you mean by "can obviously be fitted". The Pzero is not unique to the Touring. What a winged GT3 gets, solely depends on what's in stock on the day the wheels are fitted at the factory. I have about 6000 km on my Touring by now, and I have quite a bit of seat time in the winged version, and they do feel a bit different.
I loved you in hollyoaks tony
Great review - editing, sound, and just great honest commentary. More please!
When you say raw compared to a late eighties 911 it’s probably quite refined!
Thought I was hearing Chris Harris’s voice at the beginning before I saw who it was
Love tony from Hollyoakes doing the review
What a video. So connecting. Legendary car! Thanks for such a wonderful compilation 🙏🏻🌺
911 turbo colour calypso mett 😍with all exposed carbon bonnet spoiler carbon roof carbon bucket Seats carbon fixed) Manual gearbox with silver wheels with carbon ceramic… Black calipers for the discrete look 😎 Keeping the wheels on the ground and spin up faster and stop faster also 🤌 Full Alcantara interior with black stitching throughout with white dials 👌😍😍😍😍 with Pirelli Trofeo r tires With the upgraded front lights
Good video and good reviewer. Never seen this chap but he’s good.
Re : Drive ride , it’s either tires, (cup 2 vs P zero , ) or roads . I just got my GT3 with cup 2 , in Victoria BC. The drive is firm but fine .
Our roads aren’t the greatest . The big threat are stones wedging between the brake caliber and rim. Gouging . Our turbo S in 4 weeks had this happen 3 times. Your rim is gouged out . 650 dollars to fix. Not fun. Took the tire and rim insurance on this car. So far this car could be a keeper 👍
Will Smith but it's such an amazing car for $200,000 anything is f****** amazing. even a 2000 Chevy Suburban with a 5.3 when you can invest $600 into the motor and get the same horsepower what a piece of trash
I have tried and you cannot buy one. I contacted Porsche UK who said the dealers have a cartel. You must buy at least four Porsches before they will sell you a GT3 or GT3 Touring and Porsche UK do not go along with this. I have it writing.
If I could build the touring with old school (1973) “Carrera” side script, offer numerous wheel color choices, manual, PTS paint from the early 1970s, and offer an OEM duck tail, and cease the ridiculous ADMs/limited availability, then I’m all in on the touring. Great review. Cheers/B
I'm American all the way, every time I see a expensive car with the steering column on the opposite side of American cars I wanna just take a steel wrecking ball to it! I wouldn't even want to drive it because it would feel so awkward!
This is the best Drivers Car on this Planet in the Moment. With the Touring Package it´s also the best looking GT3. No big Spoiler at the End it looks amazing.
Absolute perfection from Porsche...take my money!
terrence : you can't afford this car !!! stop dreaming ! You better watch GR86 or MX-5 videos, they are good affordable sports cars !
Absolutely Exceptional. Hands Down 💯
Not sure I get it. If you don’t want a GT3, plenty of other 911’s to choose from - in fact far too many. Track car GT3. Road Turbo S.
GT3 Touring with PDK in Midnight purple and Yellow Brake calipers, plz.
Beautiful video. What you said at 7:19 really is how I feel about this car.
A bit too shooty? Just look at the crazy bodykit of the new gt3 rs. Very much like designed in Taiwan...
ok so i owned few porsches, so aside from blind love to gt3... you werent ringing it to 8 grant... and u forgot to mention there is f all power down the rev range... where are you going to ring your touring to 7 or 8 thousand rpm? track? b roads? lol
its a shame they dont drive too fast but camera editing, trickery and using high rev engine notes at low speed all serve to deceive the public. wudnt expect anything more from PH.
I would pop over to pistonheads to research and buy my next car...if the website wasn't so shit.
Wish for a fixed duck tail rear end
its not pretty is it. that bonnet with air vents, those intakes under the front lights, its not elegant.. nor is that backend with the diffuser and silly moving spoiler
991s are so much better looking!! The wing in gt3 992s make me wanna 🤮
Leave the Cup 2 tyres for the sunny track, awful on cold wet pitted roads
I'd go for the big wing (and the manual gearbox), but this Touring is almost every bit as perfect as that... 🤩
PORSCHE 911 GT3 is the perfect porsche.
If I could, it would be the GT3 Touring with a PDK
Looking at the scenery, I assume this Is Somerset, Wiltshire, or Dorset....
Great video. I’d like see more reviews from this guy.
Lovely detailed and informative review, thanks.
A really good review. Well played.
How ugly is this 911? I like the track focus GT3s
Touring all day. every day
Wondered what the guy from Holyoaks was up too!
swear this dude looks like tony hutchinson from hollyoaks
I'll take two.
car review 8/10 . sweater review 1/10 do not recommend
3 pedal Touring all day, every day. Signal orange.
Mmm...tomato red Touring, please...
Great respectable review..well done!!
I just can't get to grips with the carp face.
Do you test any other brand PistonHeads?
what more do you need than a 911 gt3??? sahhahahah
Can u guys do a fiesta st vs miata maybe even an alpine
Does this not have a gpf? Because it sounds a lot more like the 911r or the gt3rs of the last generation. If thats the case, why on earth would people buy the normal gt3 which sounds a lot worse?
It does. What you hear on the inside is the induction, but it's very quiet outside.
*Porsche GT3 ? WHO CARES !*
*Almost nobody can afford it !*
👎
Make more reviews of affordable sports cars like the GR86 and MX-5 ND 2.0 !
Am I the only one that hears Chris Harris?
There is only one GT3, the Touring.
After this ride he retired with spina bifida.
It really irritates when car journos giggle like teenage girls.It is a trend. A chris starts it and Henry has nis nose in Chris’ ass ja the howles and car vloggers follow. Also it is amazing the from the generation to generation they all say: “This has none of the understeer left of the previous 911-generation.”
But 911 is a heaven. I got one. This complain was not about the car but the stereotype of a car journo.
great car, great review - but the audio is horrible in this video... I don't know if it's the background music/noise or simple the volume of the speaker.... it's hard to follow and listen...
this guy sounds exactly like Chris Harris... commentary is very enjoyable
Okay/ drove a GT3 at the experience center LA today and that car is not that big a deal. The instructors I talked with agreed with my conclusion, GT4 is a lot nicer car overall.
Bellof S erster Rechtsbogen einfach Schleppgas?
"It's a little bit raw"
That's exactly why this car is totally exciting.
And I plan my next 911 to be a GT3 Touring while my beloved one would prefer a Targa 4S (violet, no less!).
Loving your videos.
I have 992 GT3 finished in shark blue and it’s my daily car.. 💙💙
Porsche should offer a storage pack option for the missing rear seats. Would transform practicality. Then owners really could go touring! (I realise this comment is a hanging offence of misplaced priority for of all things, a GT3🤣)
Don't get me wrong I love this version of the 911GT3 but does the number plate OPR 911 stand for old persons rear 911GT3
“That is just joy”
I don’t think truer words about 911 gt3 have ever been spoken, and when I think about it, cars for us petrolheads/gearheads in general...
These cars should be celebrated in today's world where cars are quickly becoming soulless appliances.
i Would Choose a Manual 992 Touring All Day Every Day ... It's Perfection .
The gearbox choice for road/track is backwards IMHO. You go to the race track to explore the limits of both you and the car and most important of all to have fun, not to chase the ultimate lap time. That is the reason the manual is better on track. The PDK is better on the road for obvious reasons.
I don’t understand why it’s called “touring” it’s just a GT3 without the wing
Lotus has the best steering in the world. And also the Elise has double wishbones in the mid-90s. Would still love a Touring tho’.
My guess is the car you drove on track had Porsche's track alignment settings. More camber, zero toe up front, negative toe in the rear. It transforms the car on track but gets to be really darty on the street.
1:01 Space Sheriff Gavan
I will never even get on the list
Wow wow wow. What. A. Car. Stunning in silver, such an under rated colour. This lads superb as well
Porsche could make more of these but have relised that the unattainable creates the perfect buzz around the GT cars and the brand. Yep one day I hope to get one - in the meantime ill watch these great vids and day dream.