Why Ayanokoji VS Johan Isn't Close

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  • Why Aynokoji VS Johan in overall outsmarting Isn't Close. They are both sly, manipulative, and cunning. They are the peaks of their verse in terms of intelligence and manipulation. But, who really is the smarter character? Ayanokoji from Classroom of the Elite or Johan from Monster. I have the TRUE answer to your question.
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    The video teaches you more about CLASSROOM OF THE ELITE AND MONSTER, Ayanokoji Kiyotaka Johan Liebert and other characters. Outsmarting, Intelligence, Manipulation and Psychology.
    Not a review, not an analysis, not a video essay, but a discussion. Which has the best characters like Ayanokoji Kiyotaka, Johan Liebert, Tenma Kenzo, and Horikita Suzune. A video on CLASSROOM OF THE ELITE X MONSTER - Who's Smarter?

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  • @NuchaReviews
    @NuchaReviews  2 місяці тому +4

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    • @moshisnt
      @moshisnt 2 місяці тому +4

      koji tbh, he's just HIM

    • @walnoemispoyt5604
      @walnoemispoyt5604 2 місяці тому +1

      Johan is better than Ayanokoji. If you are talking about playing just mental chess within particular set of rules like in a game then it is my guy Ayanokoji. However if it is about making a plan to kill people then it goes to Johan.
      To truly test intelligence you have to give the combatants a well defined hypothetical goal to think about a thought experiment. Ayanokoji is my favourite character but I give the edge to Johan because he was able to use or kill without showing many emotional repercussions. Ayanokoji maybe be able to treat people as tools but never did any of his actions ever resulted in anyone dying.
      If however Ayanokoji uses Dr Tenma to end Johan then the win automatically goes to Ayanokoji.
      Ayanokoji is not a murderer whereas Johan is a murderer and it is that difference in perspective, knowledge and view is what makes Johan better.

    • @cotefan
      @cotefan 2 місяці тому +1

      @@walnoemispoyt5604 what are you talking about? If anyone is able to kill without emotional repercussions it's Ayanokoji; if you'd read volume 0 you would know that his poker face and emotional numbness are as high as they get. He was able to maintain a steady heart rate after almost beating 6 professional fighters to death and when asked why he did this, he simply said that he was ordered to kill if he wanted, he just didn't see the need to. We can see from this that Ayanokoji is perfectly fine with killing people despite never directly killing anyone.
      You can't call Johan better simply because he has killed someone before that's just stupid. There are more important factors such as intelligence, connections, and physical ability all of which undeniably go to Ayanokoji, meaning that he claps that nerd Johan any day.

    • @walnoemispoyt5604
      @walnoemispoyt5604 2 місяці тому +1

      @@cotefan It does look like Ayanokoji have the ability to beat up people but his first instinct even in that battle was not to kill. Johan would have chosen the knife not the baton if the mission was to kill vs not battle. Ayanokoji is not a murderer. Perfectly fighting has nothing to do with assassination techniques. Fighting techniques are related to killing techniques but they are different set of skills.
      It does look like if Ayanokoji was in a CQC combat that he would wreck Johan but to kill is an intelligence game. Besides the video is asking who is more intelligent and all I am saying is that the thought experiment has to be well defined to actually examine ones intelligence.
      On pure intelligence with respect to fabricating other people to kill without lifting a finger that is Johan. Ayanokoji was never able to control Koenji and although Ayanokoji mentioned that he fabricated his fight with Ryuen the author gave him plot armour to protect Ayanokoji's intelligence to make him seem smart when there was really no other way for Ayanokoji to handle the Kei situation.
      Fighting ability does not equate to intelligence.

    • @walnoemispoyt5604
      @walnoemispoyt5604 2 місяці тому +1

      @@cotefan Ayanokoji would lose to Johan because he would allow Johan to try to instill fear in Ayanokoji and it is that lapse in judgment that would cost Ayanokoji his life. If there is anyone who can instill fear in Ayanokoji it is Johan hands down as he is known as the greatest villain in all of anime!
      Johan is far ahead of Ayanokoji when it comes to intelligence and psychological warfare.

  • @kingdragongamer2648
    @kingdragongamer2648 2 місяці тому +40

    Just a friendly reminder the goat Koenji was benching 200kg for reps at the end of his workout.

    • @NuchaReviews
      @NuchaReviews  2 місяці тому +12

      While laughing as well. crazy

    • @Redhestle
      @Redhestle 2 місяці тому +5

      Bro was also carring a wild boar approx 400-450 kg .

    • @LightNovelFan28
      @LightNovelFan28 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@Redhestle No boar weight mac 100 kg but still Chadenji was doing it like it was nothing truly perfect existence

  • @anidrafreak3739
    @anidrafreak3739 2 місяці тому +26

    I usually hate this kind of video… but you are a person full of knowledge and insane analytical skills. You are not just a regular anime reviewer. I like your reasoning, keep going ❤. You are on my top tear You-tuber list already with 1-3 videos I watched.

  • @Johanbetter2332
    @Johanbetter2332 22 дні тому +2

    7:46 in the manga anime Johan was capable of manipulate several psycos just by analyzing them based on their morals and wiev of society, not only, Johan had the capability of analizing the weakness of every adult in the kinderhim, if it wasn't so it would be untealistic that he conviced firstly the adulta to kill the director and then to kill each other, not to mention that Johan convinsed a PTSD to kill his family just by meeting him in a bar, for doing so you sould analyze the person in a psyco-analysis way then in the moral one and finaly the manipulation

  • @GeniusOfTomorrow
    @GeniusOfTomorrow 2 місяці тому +7

    Btw a couple very good feats for Johan's EP include, The Springer's killer, Kinderheim/Christoff, Anna, Tenma, The Doctor(killer), Blue Sophie etc. There are more but these are a few.

    • @Kamado_kualops
      @Kamado_kualops 2 місяці тому

      oo so these meant i am true that johan is better

    • @Zoro-t4z
      @Zoro-t4z Місяць тому

      This is just EP
      Johan is better in eq not overall outsmarting​@@Kamado_kualops

    • @GeniusOfTomorrow
      @GeniusOfTomorrow Місяць тому

      ​​@@Kamado_kualopsit is interpretation based. Johan takes EQ, SQ, Manipulation, Planning, Deception and Foresight imo. The rest idrk

    • @Kamado_kualops
      @Kamado_kualops Місяць тому

      @@GeniusOfTomorrow okay i also thing the same but i do not cARE BECAUSE they are not coming to safe me in my life

  • @Johanbetter2332
    @Johanbetter2332 22 дні тому +1

    4:15 No one of the kids knew Johan because he was kept in a secret place and he was always on drugs just for the fear that the monster could arise. So he didn't knew anyone exept some adult of the place.

  • @alidokadri
    @alidokadri 2 місяці тому +6

    Very insightful video. Can you please explain to me what the difference between strategy and planning is?

    • @NuchaReviews
      @NuchaReviews  2 місяці тому +2

      Planning is the main preparation phase for the strategy and strategy is the execution of said plan

    • @malusikhathi3903
      @malusikhathi3903 2 місяці тому +2

      @@NuchaReviews Planning is coming up with an idea. Strategy is how exactly you'd go about putting that plan into action. Executing is doing said plan.

  • @Crimsoncloak_
    @Crimsoncloak_ 2 місяці тому +12

    My Opinion
    EQ: Johan Full Scale IQ: Koji
    SQ: Johan Intelligence: Koji
    Social skills: Johan Strategy: Koji
    Reasoning: Johan Perception: Koji
    Thinking: Johan Trap evasion: Koji
    Planning: Johan Perception: Koji
    Deception: Johan Knowledge: Koji
    Manipulation: Johan Adaptibality: Koji
    Setting up traps: Johan Trap evasion: Koji
    Psychology: Johan
    Foresight: Johan
    Experience: Johan
    Execution: Johan
    Methods: Johan

    • @rashmishukla3294
      @rashmishukla3294 2 місяці тому

      Distribution is good but I don't think we have seen any reasoning or thinking feat by johan since we didn't see his pov

    • @Akiyama_33
      @Akiyama_33 2 місяці тому +2

      Koji takes Reasoning and Thinking

    • @Crimsoncloak_
      @Crimsoncloak_ 2 місяці тому

      his psychological analysis on his victims is very impressive

    • @Crimsoncloak_
      @Crimsoncloak_ 2 місяці тому

      @@Akiyama_33 fair

    • @skolpionek4848
      @skolpionek4848 2 місяці тому +1

      in what way does johan take thinking and reasoning?

  • @mrstrange1062
    @mrstrange1062 Місяць тому +3

    35:05 it should have been “ The Monster or The Demon"

  • @Johanbetter2332
    @Johanbetter2332 22 дні тому +1

    22:00 Johan is like Moriarty, he is a lord of crime, he strarted killing at young age to protect his siter and doing so he gained hundreds of victims and unaolved homicides, after the anime, Johan had killed twohundred people, and a hundrend people were suspected to be killed because of the lack of evidence, even Lunge said that the Johan's organization isnt human but devil, after his criminal scenes there was nothing else, the only proofs were hypotesis from the police and from the principal caratchers who analyzed Johan's crime career, like the professor Gillen.

    • @yokofoot6772
      @yokofoot6772 10 годин тому

      is there a novel to read after the anime?

    • @Johanbetter2332
      @Johanbetter2332 9 годин тому

      @@yokofoot6772 yes, it's called Another Monster, and It drives deep into the Lifes of the charatchers from the eyes of an investigator who's working on a case similar to Johan's one.

    • @Johanbetter2332
      @Johanbetter2332 9 годин тому

      @@yokofoot6772 i raccomend you read It, it's well written.

  • @slasher8682
    @slasher8682 10 днів тому

    Can you make a video about Shigoku Kyou vs. Johan Liebert?

  • @araragi687
    @araragi687 2 місяці тому +4

    Epic video ❤

  • @PoH27
    @PoH27 2 місяці тому +4

    Make a patrick jane video pls good vid btw

  • @user-cu9ug5wv2r
    @user-cu9ug5wv2r 2 місяці тому +6

    I like your videos a lot keep making more videos

    • @NuchaReviews
      @NuchaReviews  2 місяці тому +2

      Thanks, more videos are coming for sure

  • @Hanster537
    @Hanster537 2 місяці тому +78

    People tend to overrate Johan a lot. He's just a big fish in a small pond

    • @adityachauhan9085
      @adityachauhan9085 2 місяці тому +9

      It's about how well written the character is

    • @juniorschwazz1979
      @juniorschwazz1979 2 місяці тому +17

      so is ayanokoji

    • @Zero-ef4sc
      @Zero-ef4sc 2 місяці тому +16

      ​@batmann348 the pond of ANHS is bigger than the world of Monster. Literally, the average joe in COTE like Ryuen is smarter than anyone in Monster that is investigating Johan, heck, even Johan wouldn't even be number 2 at ANHS.
      That's why people don't like COTE, it's because it's unrealistic, it's stupid, and people don't like that these high schoolers are smarter than the smartest characters in these better written, more realistic and more terrifying stories.
      To be fair, Johan himself is as unrealistic as any COTE character, but he works only cuz of the mystery surrounding him, I bet you anything if we knew more about Johan, nobody would view him as that smart.

    • @juniorschwazz1979
      @juniorschwazz1979 2 місяці тому

      bro started an underground business at the age of 15 that converted illegal money to legal money convinced someone to kill them self brain washed multiple children and adults and left no traces of murders except for the ones to lure tenma to him for his mastermind plan

    • @Zero-ef4sc
      @Zero-ef4sc 2 місяці тому +6

      @@juniorschwazz1979 yeah, anyone can write a character like that. Just say it happened off screen and have characters dramatically react to that news.

  • @arindamchanda2099
    @arindamchanda2099 2 місяці тому +17

    johan eats koji alive in a battle of wits
    its not even remotely close
    bro is the epitome of manipulation

    • @mqurx
      @mqurx 2 місяці тому +19

      in manipulation only johan wins he gets slammed in general outsmarting

    • @tokiuchiha8845
      @tokiuchiha8845 2 місяці тому +4

      @@mqurxhave you seen monster? Johan is just as smart as koji

    • @mqurx
      @mqurx 2 місяці тому +8

      @@tokiuchiha8845 nope his feats are offscreen and has only shown good manipulation

    • @Bic-daxc69
      @Bic-daxc69 2 місяці тому

      Nigga I can name 5 characters at minimum better than him in manipulation lmao

    • @arindamchanda2099
      @arindamchanda2099 2 місяці тому

      @@mqurx go watch that first bruv

  • @Satoru_gojo_sixeyes
    @Satoru_gojo_sixeyes 2 місяці тому +3

    Johan is so hard to scale for me

  • @anime_freaks69
    @anime_freaks69 2 місяці тому +22

    Koji simply better 🗿

  • @user-yy3ke2my2w
    @user-yy3ke2my2w 2 місяці тому +11

    Overall Intelligence In Every Aspect Is By Far Ayanokoji

    • @AiMinhaVoiada
      @AiMinhaVoiada 2 місяці тому +2

      Linguistic, Social, Emotional, Interpersonal, Naturalistic, Existencial? I’m not attacking u or anything in this way, but imo Johan easily takes this points, and takes espacial Imo, but I understand the people who thinks Koji takes this one

    • @jackthezodiac6136
      @jackthezodiac6136 2 місяці тому +2

      @@AiMinhaVoiadaand Ayanokoji takes linguistic, crystallised, fluid, academial, intrapersonal, musical and bodily-kinesthetic.

    • @AiMinhaVoiada
      @AiMinhaVoiada 2 місяці тому +1

      @@jackthezodiac6136 why linguistic?

    • @jackthezodiac6136
      @jackthezodiac6136 2 місяці тому +1

      @@AiMinhaVoiada oops sorry not linguistic, that definitely goes to Johan. I was meant to say mathematical. My bad

    • @AiMinhaVoiada
      @AiMinhaVoiada 2 місяці тому

      @@jackthezodiac6136 chill man, W opinion btw 🔥

  • @izannaaaa_
    @izannaaaa_ 2 місяці тому +10

    they are on the same level and we are only at year 2 in cote, imagine year 3...end of series koji will no diff johan

    • @NuchaReviews
      @NuchaReviews  2 місяці тому +7

      We hope Kinugasa cooks in Y3

    • @Kamado_kualops
      @Kamado_kualops 2 місяці тому

      @@NuchaReviews just read my perspective

    • @TempestEditzz
      @TempestEditzz Місяць тому

      It wont be happen bro we need unıversity arc. What will koji do ıf johan pulls m249 to koji in order to kill kojigoat

  • @SerpentineWisdom
    @SerpentineWisdom 2 місяці тому +5

    Not even a big fan of Ayanokoji but he no diffs Johan Midbert. Johans only hype comes from the viewers imagination🤣 take that somewhere else.

  • @PepeEditz204
    @PepeEditz204 22 дні тому

    Bro got Ayanokoj analysis level☕🗿

  • @emmanueldiaz4306
    @emmanueldiaz4306 2 місяці тому +1

    Kaito Kid vs Shinichi kudo or Baku madarame vs Hal

  • @elitereborn6688
    @elitereborn6688 2 місяці тому +1

    Patrick jane vs johan liebert please

  • @Kamado_kualops
    @Kamado_kualops 2 місяці тому +2

    I think Nucha You did not bring alot of Johan's feats. But I am kinda okay with answer but i think nor Koji nor johan draw their max abilities and the thing is that johan even strategizes the plan of his death. johan is killing which is different . Johan when in classroom of elite by his manipulation tactics he will take control of students and teachers and get ayanakoji expelled as we can see he did killed 50 people by just words (tell me is this sensible or not Nucha) one i noticed that the 2004 anime is still in hype what a character they made by only 30mins visible johan in this whole anime. i think if their second part of it johan will just kill koji.

  • @fanta_editz
    @fanta_editz 2 місяці тому +4

    Johan decimates this edgy teenager

    • @lashensplash9504
      @lashensplash9504 2 місяці тому +3

      Nah.

    • @Monsterhunter16
      @Monsterhunter16 Місяць тому +3

      How is he edgy? (I’m genuinely curious because I see a lot of people say this)

    • @l4ut4r06
      @l4ut4r06 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@Monsterhunter16 Haters who only watched the anime, or not even that and think that Koji is edgy for not having emotions, although he does have lmao

    • @Monsterhunter16
      @Monsterhunter16 Місяць тому +2

      @@l4ut4r06 that’s what I was thinking because his upbringing literally explains why he is the way that he is, it’s pretty known in psychology that upbringings similar to ayanokoji’s result in psychological issues(there’s many paths the mind can take in these cases, but one of the more common ones is the route ayanokoji’s took)

    • @l4ut4r06
      @l4ut4r06 Місяць тому +2

      @@Monsterhunter16 Yes, it's funny how so many people have no idea about Koji's writing and how he is the opposite of what they think, he's a tragic character lmao, he has emotions, he doesn't want to be the way he is, and all his psychology has an explanation

  • @Akane_k.l
    @Akane_k.l 28 днів тому

    Ruenheim, Munich library, hospital candy strategies not even mentioned properly. Koji doesnt even take strategy from Johan 😭. Just some intellect points at max

    • @dislikebutton543
      @dislikebutton543 26 днів тому +2

      Dawg koji outdoes midhan in strategy by far lil bro, midhan overrated featless off-screen fodder

    • @Akane_k.l
      @Akane_k.l 26 днів тому

      @@dislikebutton543 🤓 🤡☝️. Bro is stuck in early 2023

    • @Nhoadkoko
      @Nhoadkoko 24 дні тому

      @@dislikebutton543 Cry more midkoji fanboy

  • @Kamado_kualops
    @Kamado_kualops 2 місяці тому +3

    johan is killing and koji is manipulating with higher schoolers while he has an adult kownledge it is different

  • @garyzhu1913
    @garyzhu1913 2 місяці тому +3

    Koji underrated ngl
    FSIQ (VCI debatable) - Koji
    EP EE - Johan
    EM EP - Koji
    SQ - Johan
    thinking - koji
    reasoning - koji
    planning - johan
    strategy - Koji
    Manipulation - Johan
    Deception - Johan
    Gardener's theory of multiple intelligences - Koji
    Miscellaneous (Observation, Perception, Psychology knowledge) - Koji
    Overall
    FS - Koji
    IRL + Influnce - Johan
    NFS - Koji
    Mind games - Johan
    C&M - Koji
    Outsmarting - Koji High diff (+)

  • @Zacian34
    @Zacian34 2 місяці тому +3

    I know that this is random but kid Koji loses to kid Koenji extreme diff

    • @Kamado_kualops
      @Kamado_kualops 2 місяці тому

      nah i think not so because nucha missed alot of feats

    • @Zacian34
      @Zacian34 2 місяці тому

      @@Kamado_kualops what do you mean I am talking about kid Koji.

  • @X_ADI_
    @X_ADI_ 2 місяці тому +12

    Tell me you didn't read the johan doc without telling me you didn't read it

    • @Gintoki-dg2nr
      @Gintoki-dg2nr 2 місяці тому +15

      i have the entire johan doc with me
      i still have koji high diffing him
      people have opinions buddy

    • @X_ADI_
      @X_ADI_ 2 місяці тому +2

      @@Gintoki-dg2nr Having the Johan doc and reading it are two entirely different things lil bro

    • @Avery_casyrdark
      @Avery_casyrdark 2 місяці тому +14

      @@X_ADI_how is that different he said he read it and has it but has koji high diffing your making no sense blud

    • @X_ADI_
      @X_ADI_ 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Avery_casyrdark Alright? Let's debate then

    • @X_ADI_
      @X_ADI_ 2 місяці тому

      @@Avery_casyrdark Alright, idk if you wanna debate or not but for just clarity, let me state johan's feats
      FSIQ:
      VCI- Tenma learns that Johan was taught French and English by
      an older man. And by the time of his disappearance, Johan was already
      fluent in these languages. Johan wrote to Jurgen's in a letter with exact instructions for the location of the basement, what he should do. He saw that the killer was experiencing strong emotions associated with the murder of the jopp family. This allowed him to figure out the nephew was the killer of the Yopps, and also found out the motivation of the killer. Lunge also later on reconstructed the scene where the body of the husband and wife lay and the patterns he had created. Schubart began to go blind therefore hired students from the university of Munich to read him books in Latin, and Johan decided to enter the university of Munich and began to read Schuvald's books on Fridays to establish a good connection with him. And also began to manipulate Faren so that he deceived Shuvald. Johan knew he wouldn't have a problem with Schuvald being depressed. Indeed, in the biography of Shuvald, Johan noticed that Shuvald
      was bankrupt three times, and then disappeared
      somewhere, after which he returned with a restored
      state. He realized that the place (the Forest) gave him
      peace. And he used this information to restore the
      emotional state of Shuvald. He also took into account
      the information that there were apples in the forest,
      because it was through the apple that Johan convinced
      Schuvald that the forest had not lost its beauty and
      remained the same. Johan used the apple as evidence
      that the forest has not lost its beauty, which means
      that it can be evaluated as a visual solution to tasks in
      order to control Schuvald's emotions and issue a
      positive response. He created his strategies and learned
      information through observation and surveillance of the
      situation. For example, we saw that Johan, studying
      information about Schuvald, for example, he took into
      account the fact that in old age he begins to go blind, so he
      hires students from the University of Munich to read him
      books in Latin. Therefore, Johan entered the University of
      Munich, and before that he had a lot of surgery in order to
      enter there. He came up with a strategy (based on
      information about his missing son) where Shuvald would
      make him secretary. We also saw that Johan was very
      careful in his strategy, for example he noticed that
      Schuvald's acquaintance did not have a common connection between each other. So they can be killed and
      presented to the police as different crimes and situations
      that have no connection with each other. With the help of memorization of
      information, he noticed that all of Johan's victims were
      connected with Schuvald. After questioning the relatives of
      the victims, he concluded that in fact the purpose of killing
      these victims was the emotional isolation of Shuvald. + This
      can also be attributed to non-standard thinking, because few
      people will guess about it. Fingerprint forgery, which Johan paid attention to, is
      responsible for non-verbal reasoning and visual problem
      solving as evidence (for example, that Richard drank. And
      Johan did it (fingerprint) with a broken bottle) (Johan
      arranged everything so that Richard fell off the roof in a
      drunken state (According to the police). If Richard had
      committed suicide with a knife or in another way, it would
      not have convinced the police. So Johan directed Richard to
      the roofs). Teamwork with Roberto. And Johan gave him
      instructions. Johan saw Grimmer killing Zeman. So yes, Johan took this into account too,
      because he cured Jan's Mother (Temporarily). Now at this point, as you see, Grimmer and Tenma are reunited again. Ian is
      taken to the hospital. And they show news about it on TV. But in Czech.
      So they start talking about languages. Grimmer tells Tenma that he is from
      Kinderheim 511 And that he studied world languages (English, French, Spanish
      and Russian)
      Grimmer's statement in VCI

  • @thename-of-fax
    @thename-of-fax 2 місяці тому +5

    Johan vs koji isn't close !!
    Johan simply no diffs koji
    Just imagine johan was in anhs
    Koji isn't even comparable to johan

    • @Bic-daxc69
      @Bic-daxc69 2 місяці тому

      Sure bud koji very high diffs koji
      Saying no diff is pure biased

    • @Redhestle
      @Redhestle 2 місяці тому +2

      ☠️ kid koji ( LN ) has statements which even PM Hal needs mid diff to beat and Hal no diffs Johan .

    • @thename-of-fax
      @thename-of-fax 2 місяці тому

      @@Redhestle Those are only CPI bullshit and comes nothing to anything

    • @yesbyeno1458
      @yesbyeno1458 2 місяці тому +1

      least dumb johan fan

    • @Redhestle
      @Redhestle 2 місяці тому

      @@yesbyeno1458 shut up dude I have his doc ready
      Infact your dumb LN Kid koji mid diffs Johan at max .
      As
      Ayanokoji Kiyotaka DOC ( My own )
      He has the same feat as PM Hal known as 4D chess and his WR training "( Beta curriculum )was dimensions harder than normal curriculum" this is a statement" ( so if Koji was in Death note he could see their life as he was able to pass WR Beta curriculum. Takuya and ichika passed 4 level in the normal curriculum and koji surpassed beta curriculum 10th level
      His adaptability is so good that he solved many difficult games , memory games , he gets experience as he fought shiro and other smart PEOPLE over 5500 times ( diff PPL ). This statement alone puts kid koji 10* above Johan :
      "Ayanokoji Kiyotaka, a top WR Student absorbs all the knowledge given to him as if his Intelligence ( ICQ ( intelligence capacity Quotient ) ) is bottomless" .
      You yourself have to have so much intelligence to simply scale Kid koji every action he took has meaning. I myself took his quotes and analyzed them in Wikipedia and Books . His question to Chabashira at S1 Made Chabashira side with him later. The time gap here is 1yr , every thing and I mean everything that koji does has a meaning .
      His emotional intelligence is also on a different level he manipulated nanese , hosen , Takuya , Chabashira, horikita , ryuuen , Ichinose , everyone in the verse even Arisu at WR he noticed her manipulated her into thinking he didn't have human warmth and got Arisu's sympathy .
      Ayanokoji can perceive a whole dimension currently in LN and manga he is displaying only 4%% of his FP ☠️ .
      He completed the Highest level of the beta curriculum and went above it where 1 level of beta curriculum is 10 levels of the normal curriculum Takuya got to peak 4 level in the normal curriculum and koji beat him with 4%% of his power and Johan extreme diffs Takuya .
      And why are you using German and European influence? you do realize that it's stated that Koji would be able to rule continents right + the series was conducted in a school so talking about it is useless .
      Kojis first memory is when he was 9 months and 10 days and Johan manipulated PPL who are basically idiots and koji manipulated many PPL whom Johan himself would need to get ( Mid - high diff )
      Kid Koji alone wins against Johan .
      He perceived a whole another dimension which a PM Hal noticeable feat and beta curious levels are different dimensions higher than normal curriculum . Don't debate when you haven't read LN. I watched Monster And right now Yuuichi beats him mid - high diff .

  • @sayyidiliyahalavi
    @sayyidiliyahalavi 2 місяці тому +5

    This is a biased discussion since i saw your old takes on the same topic where you gave emotional intelligence abs emotional perception to koji which is a universal lie in the scd community which tells your know of this scaling community either you're just telling your opinions or are Just unknown to scd

  • @justinwhaley1288
    @justinwhaley1288 2 місяці тому +3

    No doubt Johan solos Koji. He just pulls his Glock and it's over

    • @hypergg681
      @hypergg681 29 днів тому

      nah y'all really think koji has his hands tied or something??

  • @12nekobunny27
    @12nekobunny27 Місяць тому

    Waar kom je vandaan

  • @OmniDan26
    @OmniDan26 2 місяці тому

    Both are General Zod victims.

    • @loloman0
      @loloman0 Місяць тому

      Alien fodder

    • @hypergg681
      @hypergg681 29 днів тому

      'ENDLESS' victims ( the character i created in my dreams solos everything(not even joking)

  • @user-pj6gi6vh3l
    @user-pj6gi6vh3l 2 місяці тому +2

    Johan>>>>>>>>Ayanokoji

  • @noengueguim4881
    @noengueguim4881 2 місяці тому +1

    Johan slams Mid diff

  • @nethanielortega8566
    @nethanielortega8566 2 місяці тому

    I wish Naoki shows Johan past experiences though, so we would know how Johan past is.

    • @mostofamorshed4274
      @mostofamorshed4274 Місяць тому

      Manga.
      Based on Manga, Johan’s academics and skills are equal/near equal to Koji. And 511 not only worked on creating better genetics but also smart people whereas white room only worked on creating smart people.
      Johan can easily defeat Koji as his biggest move is making people believe he doesn't exist. He is also 10 steps earlier than his opponent

  • @axonymous_thevoice
    @axonymous_thevoice 2 місяці тому

    Johan badly slams the entire verse, so does Tenma and Lunge

  • @seherbazmoody368
    @seherbazmoody368 2 місяці тому +4

    well, to the story or background ayonokoji so smart for most of the anime universe but when this come to the practice cote just use the spaces of rules in exams to show ayonokoji smart or every important girls manipulated by ayonokoji just for his handsome.Dont be mistaken ı love cote and ı finished novel(novel in 22) but writers are not smart enough for their genius characters so that is not important. to the lore ayonokoji wins

    • @kanatatakonys5318
      @kanatatakonys5318 2 місяці тому +2

      tbh I wanted to argue with you that girls are not falling for his handsomeness, but then remembered CHABASHIRA, A GROWN ASS WOMAN, is feeling feelings for him so yup, this is just a dumb harem novel

    • @mqurx
      @mqurx 2 місяці тому +14

      the girls do not fall for his looks what are you on about 😭 u proved u r a fake reader by that single line

    • @ATRIUM5
      @ATRIUM5 2 місяці тому +6

      @@kanatatakonys5318 Lmao she doesn't have that type of feelings for koji. Read volume 10/11 carefully again. You seem to have low reading comprehension or maybe instead of reading u believed those baseless rumors you've seen in the internet.

    • @seherbazmoody368
      @seherbazmoody368 2 місяці тому +1

      @@kanatatakonys5318 I don´t remember chabashira love ayono she was in love with her old classmate.but nevermind this,actually all manipulations in cote is generally love for our mc and there is no other romantic relationship in anime(ı dont count ike shihonora)

    • @seherbazmoody368
      @seherbazmoody368 2 місяці тому

      ​@@mqurx pls read novel and come again.YES, ayonogoat actually did SOME plans for they fall for him( just kei, others love him for he is mc) but in reality this just a ridiculous thing that writer added.Example why ichinose and sakayanagi love him?espacially sakayanagi,this character is very clever so ı waited for her dont love kiyo.Yes sakayanagi already comfirmed she love him but she dont know after she beat ayono her love to him will continue or not.howewer nobody can change my thoughts ı think.

  • @ISMAILISMAIL-ys4gf
    @ISMAILISMAIL-ys4gf 2 місяці тому +6

    Johan controlled the whole Germany man😂

    • @scrxtch2021
      @scrxtch2021 2 місяці тому +11

      you can say Koji is predicted to do the same with Japan. He stated that his HS years will be the only normal years he will ever have in his life.

    • @hunterkage2842
      @hunterkage2842 2 місяці тому +8

      He didn't control Germany, he just made a plan that would let him control a company which was a major economic power and we never see how that plan would had turned out.
      That's impressive and all but it's a plan that took multiple years

    • @hunterkage2842
      @hunterkage2842 2 місяці тому +6

      ​@@batmann348Ayanokoji is obviously smarter than his father so what's your point. Johan's plan also needed Schuwald, now Johan isn't an heir to Schuward but I don't see why Ayanokoji with multiple years of planning couldn't kill Schuward friends to isolate him and convince him of his abilities like Johan did

    • @Redhestle
      @Redhestle 2 місяці тому

      He has the same feat as PM Hal known as 4D chess and his WR training "( Beta curriculum )was dimensions harder than normal curriculum" this is a statement" ( so if Koji was in Death note he could see their life as he was able to pass WR Beta curriculum. Takuya and ichika passed 4 level in the normal curriculum and koji surpassed beta curriculum 10th level
      His adapabity is so good that he solved many difficult games , memory games , he gets experience as he fought shiro and other smart PPL over 5500 times diff PPL . This state ment alone puts kid koji 10* above Johan :
      "Ayanokoji Kiyotaka a top WR Student absorbs all the knowledge given to him as if his Intelligence ( ICQ ( intelligence capacity Quatient ) ) is bottomless" .
      You yourself have to have so much intelligence to simply scale Kid koji ever action he took has ever meaning I myself took his quates and analysed them in Wikipedia and Books every one had a meaning his question to Chabashira at S1 Made Chabashira side with him later the time gap here is 1yr , every thing and I mean everything that koji does has a meaning .
      His emotional intelligence is also on a different level he manipulated nanese , hosen , Takuya , Chabashira, horikita , ryuuen , Ichinose , everyone in the verse even Arisu at WR he noticed her manipulated her into thinking he didn't and got Arisu's sympathy

    • @Redhestle
      @Redhestle 2 місяці тому

      @@batmann348 being anti Christ doesn't mean he is invisible
      And iam using LN Statements here dude so everything in LN Statements are true that's is why Shion Volume 21 LN >>>>>>>>>>> Anos perfect reincarnation.
      And why would you take a English comparative statement seriously .
      ☠️

  • @koraydemirci9729
    @koraydemirci9729 Місяць тому

    Lol if Johan were in White room or the highschool, he would make everybody kill themselves including without lifting a finger. That is why Ayanokoji vs Johan is not even a debate :D

    • @loloman0
      @loloman0 Місяць тому +3

      You really think Ayanokoji would give a fuck about Johan's words?

    • @koraydemirci9729
      @koraydemirci9729 Місяць тому +1

      Ayanokoji won't but everybody else will. That is the point. Ayanokoji being not affected won't change anything. And, Johan would also give no fuck about Ayanokoji's words

    • @Ayanokoji-Senpai607
      @Ayanokoji-Senpai607 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@koraydemirci9729thats not really a good feat. Its easy to let everyone kill themselves if you bully them. Imagine if you are in a whiteroom as a child force everyday in torturous activity. One little push and you can do what you. Johan did. Its not that impressive. Even normal people can do what johan did as long as you know as the person is suicidal and one word or joke would do the job. Stop overratinh johan

    • @hypergg681
      @hypergg681 29 днів тому +1

      NAH LIL BRO SORRY BUT KOJI'S VERSE AINT NO DUMB DYSTOPIAN OLD AH WITH NO TECH WORLD 🤡

    • @hypergg681
      @hypergg681 29 днів тому +1

      @@Ayanokoji-Senpai607 HE'S FROM THE 2022 11YO'S (YO-HAN) FANBASE SQUAD DONT WORRY