Pretending That My Third Is My Natural | Beating Grandmasters With Stupid Stuff
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2021
- Very high level edition.
game 1 vs serral
game 2 vs maxpax
nice
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"Serral slightly better than your average zerg player" :D
you know, just slightly
Hes kinda good I think.
You could say that
Funny thing is his worst MU is zerg
Understatement of the year...
This is the kind of dumb shit that works in gold and plat, then stops working in diamond cause people expect it. Then starts working again in GM because no expects you to do this plat-stuff and scout for proxies. SC2 is so amazing.
I was thinking the same thing.
Harstem: "But then again, who plays like this right? There has to be something wrong with you to play like this".
Me, proxying my natural all the way from Bronze to Gold 1: "Uhhmm....."
Me who proxies my nexus inside the enemie's main quite often
"Sweats intensily"
people like you are the reason why i scout like an AI.
It works at those leagues most of the time, but in platinum I always scout for bases if I don't see their natural or 3rd on time. So the issue is that it's a high risk, moderate reward strategy.
@@joshuaxiong8377 for real
Doesn't work in plat. If I see that you didn't take your expo in time I already know that it's either cheese or hidden nexus.
Harstem is the first guy to ever cheese/trick himself.
12:00 "I completely forgot that this base counted for me. I was like: Ah man, I'm so far behind. He's on three bases and I'm on two."
That's something special only Harstem can do. XD
Harstem hid the hidden base so well, he hid it from himself, too. XD
XDDDD
Watched this game in Serral stream and he was so confused :D
Is there somewhere I can watch it?
yo please hit us up with where we can check it out :D
He should have put in on youtube.
@@peterthepeter7523 whats his youtube?
@@whateverppl1229 judging by links in this video's description he doesn't have one. Huh. I thought Harstem did promote his channel in collabs or something like that.
ua-cam.com/video/GVxtn7oIi18/v-deo.html
I play like this.
We know
Yes, and we all know there has to be something wrong with you... Greatly entertaining! ... but wrong ^_^
THE LEGEND
That's why we love you!
We still love you even though there's something wrong with you.
Only against Serral, Harstem will say, “We’re in a decent spot.”
If it were any others it’ll be the usual, “We’re in a great spot,” or “We’re winning”.
I know he usually seems overly optimistic but considering the difference in their army population at the time there is no way it would have been better than "decent".
wrg
He said "We're winning" at 7:00
@@I__-- And you missed my point since it was about any of the opening he goes with that puts him in a decent spot, Harstem will often say he’s in a better position.
He said it at 7 minutes
I just remembered the last IODIS, proxy Nexus by Heavensblade. Harstem learning from the best :D!
Cannon rushing agaist Serral, I am proud of you captain
Harstem: '' Did I accidentally invent a build that might be capable of beating serral?''
Observer: '' Unlikely''
Harstem: '' It's very possible''
Observer: '' yeah sure man, we'll just give you this one''
Maxpax might have had trouble determing where 400 minerals went because he's not used to accounting for a finished pylon, and a cybernetics core that you didn't cancel.
BGMWSS: The Planetary Nexus. Build macro nexuses in your wall, on the map, with your army, in your main, etc. You can now get creative with recalls with your army to strange locations, super batteries on the front lines, extra chrono boosts (and probes) that you shouldn't have to get your tech and upgrades faster, etc.
That means Harstem has even less, very weird argument.
You hid the base so well in the first game that you have forgotten about it yourself
Can't make an omelette without broken eggs: Your army is based around AoE like disruptors, but you have to hit your own units with each use.
Leapfrog: You play Terran and your army is centered around permanently sieged tanks that you can only move via Medivac.
Supply Hunter: Your objective is targeting enemy supply structures/units.
Stupid Shit: Mr. Gorbachev Tear Down This Wall
In the spirit of friendship and progress there shouldn't be walls diving the great races of StarCraft. You should do your upmost to make sure that all barricades that seek to divide us are torn down.
You cannot wall. Additionally you must completely destroy any opponents walls that you come across.
2:00 - strange *_pylon_* you got there captain!
This is my favourite series you produce. Just seeing you have fun is so amusing in itself. !
Idea for BGMWSS - The Has wheel of fortune builds - (See your Has cast at the 40 min 39 sec mark ua-cam.com/video/4Pldi1EyKGU/v-deo.html). I think you should probably allow pylons at any time and any building you cant build because it is tech locked you go down a level of tech. You could have a simple wheel that just says (gate/robo/stargate) and a more complex wheel that has all the buildings. You probably need a timer of how often to spin each wheel. Modify as necessary, but I think this would be really fun.
.... not a bad idea at all. Stupendous way to throw your elo down the drain but that is a small price for glory.
"Beating grandmasters with stupid stuff"
Proceeds to both proxy base in random corner and cannon rush, thank you Florencio
Marauder King: You have to rush 1 marauder early and keep him alive (no
other marauders allowed to be built). He your king and always needs to
lead your main army on the front lines. If he dies you lose the game.
You must inform your opponent of this fact once your marauder is built.
Otherwise a normal game with this extra lose condition.
One of the rules is never to involve your opponnent in the mix, so it's a no no
@@DiegoRodrigues-es4ph Ah fair enough
Harstem: Yea yea yea!
Got me saying it after wins now too.
We have come full circle. Hidden Proxy base (something that happens constantly in lower leagues) is now considered an advanced Play!
Serral was saying "am I being beaten with stupid stuff heeeer??"
Hidden mothership, Build a ground army and hide stargate and fleet beacon tech. Bonus points if you cilick an observer onto mama and clear creep with it lol.
I was watching the game vs serral on his stream and I can tell you guys that Serral thought he is getting DTed.
BGMWSS Suggestion: The maphacker: For each base, build 2 observers. The natural can be taken normally, but you can only take the third if you have at least 4 observers. Use the observers to snipe drops, make the perfect runbys or just Basetrade as soon as he leaves his base.
Pretending like playing video games is a good way to spend my life. Got it
"what am I doing with my life" 10:38
LOL
Fast ninja base is actually very common (and good) in lower leagues. It works very well even in diamond league, but not so much in masters or gm.
Thanks for the video Harstem!
I thought they would really early all in you!
That first game was sick 😂 it really shows how good both harstem and serral are it’s incredible
First game will be seen in next week's IIIODIS, stay tuned.
Dumb Idea: Have something hold down your '+' key so that the camera is always at 90 degrees different to normal gameplay. Experience confusion over such a small thing.
It might mess with hotkeys, but sure is a fun idea
This reminds me of Astrea vs Impact in the GSL a couple of years ago- he went nexus first at his third, and Impact just assumed he was getting allined, and just sat back to defend a push that never came. By the time he realised, it was too late and Astrea won
Hey Harstem! Can you do a video analysis on gfuel king of battle series between maru and serral ? That was a series of the year for sure. Thank you!
"So now we are going to pretend this is our third base"
Ended up fooling himself that he was behind on bases
The one good part about starting a match against Serral with a casual nexus at 4th base into a cannon rush: he'll think you're such a idiot that he might waste time checking for other stupid stuff in future matches XD
You had the right pronounciation for "awry" the first time :)
Very good games, was getting really nervous when you thought you had the game wrapped up against Maxpax and didn't seem to be building for the future, I get after checking the replay you realized it was a lot closer than you thought. I think you're way too used to playing from behind so when it's even you feel like you're winning, I think you're so much better than you used to be and that you should examine some of your decision making because you aren't getting behind like you used to so maybe the safer play that will let you fight out a win is better than the risky play that lets you fight for a win from behind but loses more often if you know what I mean. Against Serral I think you were just in shock that it was working so well, I think you just got a little overexcited and you gave Serral too much respect, you were super greedy and got way ahead, the only way Serral could keep up was by cutting a ton of workers but you were thinking that even though you saw how much he had that he also somehow was able to greedy as well. I also think you were respecting Serral's late game too much, with the advantage you had the only way he could get into the late game without being behind would be for you to trade into him unfavorably, when you've been super greedy and he's got nothing for the future then the future is where your advantage is going to be even stronger. Even though Serral is godly at this game, he still has the same game reality as everybody else.
"Welcome to beating Grandmasters with stupid stuff, my first opponent here is going to be... Serral"
lol.
I suggested this for Terran after your recent first Terran BGMWSS game, but it could work for Protoss.
Mass Upgrades (Not like ep #13) - get roughly equal Ground and Air (and Shield) upgrades (+/- 1) - mass lots of Zealots, Colossi, and Void Rays (+few Warp Prisms, and Observers).
Bonus "I have Returned": mass out ~6 Colossi to start, then transition into Immortals, HTs, and DTs (+Archons); No more Colossi after the initial mass. Do Not use Colossi and Immortals together unless defending (they can only attack in separate groups).
defend early game with whatever gateway units you need, a few adept, stalker, or sentry. try to keep them minimal.
and mass out 2/2/2/2/2+++++ upgrades asap.
That game against Serral was fantastic. When you play against that guy, you GOTTA throw him a curveball.
Harstem, I have noticed that recently you have not been killing any Karaks, or creatures alike. To atone for your sins, challenge yourself to a game wherein prior to engagement with your enemy, you must make a sacrifice. Be it an animal, or a set amount of workers - blood must be paid in blood
You should name that first build against Serral as 'Accidental Florencio'
Need more of these bgwss series! 😂😂
You sound very similar to Lowkey I had to double check. I thought I was on his channel for a second. Nice video!
YES the proxy base idea!💡
How about mid/late game reaper? Attack the enemy with 4-10 (don't know what is most effective) reapers and clear his mineral lines like that! (sadly no longer wings of liberty reaper with bonus dmg against buildings :D )
But not as a reaper rush, but as a hit squad in mid-game.
Idea, We forgot how to throw. No ground units with ranged attacks may be made because your ground units have forgotten how to throw. Disruptors are spell casters so that's OK, maybe HT but they have the range attack so maybe not. Flying ranged attack is OK, no sentry, adept, stalker, archon, immortal, or colossus
Idea for BGMWSS- Everytime you build something it has to be in alphabetical order until you reset and end the alphabet. So if you build a probe then zealot thats the chain ended. But you can fit other units or buildings in the chain but must end the chain on a zealot. You can begin the chain with any unit but must end with zealot and buildings are also included. Also it may help if you bring out the old singing voice and sing the abc's as you build or spawn buildings or units.
Do a Protoss 1-1-1 build, where you have to do an early push with gateway, robo, Stargate before adding additional production
Harstem: I Tricked Serral!
Serral: K
Harstem: GG
You weren't even close...lmao
The things you can do with this overpowered race lol
That you spotted him spotting your ninja expo should have been winning intel.
Good Games:) nice to watch:)
My suggestion would be: go for a strategy that allows colossal drops in the mineral line
You should try BGMWSS Bowling League edition. You have to get more than 10 disruptors alive at one point during the game. Your disruptor control always impresses me.
Taking lessons from hevansblade from the last Iodis I see.
Idea: Sentry/zealot drops... send a sentry with your prisms and use it to keep people from running up their own ramps while zealots wreak havoc on their workers?
In some game, I saw SoS do this years ago. On a charge timing, sent in an observer until there were no queens or army in the main, blocked the ramp, and dropped+warped a sack of zealots and killed the Hive and most of the workers.
@@MadChickenz42 lol awesome!!! Yeah figured it could be great but only very situationally.
dumb idea 3: bait enemy into going roach, stalker or marauder. then unleash a horde of immortals
The templar archive gave away the proxy location to serral
Its almost 2022. Harstem invents a hidden corner base.
Idea for BGMWSS - The worker butcher - Kill as many workers as you can (at least 50) in every game.
Serral even called it: "I'm getting beaten by stupid stuff here"
serrals unit control is fucking terrifying. The guys not even human.
nice episode, a real stupid move would be to unbind the cancel hotkey
Ah yes, the Sewer Mermaid nexus opener...
Next: build your nexus in the low ground wall against zerg, in the reaper wall against terran and in the ramp wall against protoss
A click your own Nexus as the game starts with your probes. Same result.
@@jakeman52 no lol
@@cobble3231 yes lol
BGMWSS Idea: Hungry Hungry Gator. Win, but build as many Gateways as you can. Never stop building Gateways.
Harstem: “Who plays like this”
Me: have you even played NA ladder?
Does it actually help to hotkey map locations?
Keven I thought of it, the supply slayer, the pylon punisher, the overlord obliterator xD
At a much lower level gameplay, open with a nexus first into a quick cannon rush just to cancel the natural of the enemy ... can be a really good opening, I feel ... (disconsidering the proxying base, just nexus first on your natural normally) ...
I apologize by advance if you get asked that question often: why do you have a control group for the warpgates, even though there is a special shortcut for them?
You also forgot to cancel several buildings with MaxPax, which would be why you weren't actually ahead at the beginning.
How long did you want to leave his overseer in ur base?
People never make up excuses for winning, though. _"Oh, you know, I only won because I was lagging!"_
:)
The cheese was the better play. Just needed the map-wide micro to be up to snuff vs. Serral. Fun game to watch!
Serral is a real one doesnt hide behind a cheap tactic like barcoding his name, he is truly the goat
Ah yes, the Florencio build
Florencio strat v serral. Should have gone void ray into mass oracle.
Lol! When Harstem was doubting he said he should have gone for sky toss. Typical protoss.
For most of the game Serral thought it was a two base all in but when the attack never came he was just confused until he found the hidden natural which confirmed it lol.
For Serral's perspective:
ua-cam.com/video/66KLZt9loy0/v-deo.html
Starts at 1:15
BGMWSS Idea: build stuff around the base you will take later on, for example build gates and tech and static D on your third way before you even build a Nexus there
anyone else find it bizarre how MaxPax was able to have that many archon in that game?
At no point was he ahead of Harstem in gas/resources, yet somehow he had an insane amount of gas-heavy units.
Well he didn't have disrupters and mightve been behind on upgrades maybe
When the first natural fake build is your main strategy as a toss player 😅🥴
I wish we could see a world where Serral had focused almost solely on Protoss and Terran. He changed the game so much in one season that I assume those alternate versions might have been capable of the same. Yes, people have caught up. What he did was astounding.
What did he do that made him "change the game" in one season ? I don't watch as much of Starcraft.
Harstem's skill would win him against lower ranked noobs, but this -Strategy- would never work against lower ranked noobs, because they'd always assume there's a hidden base.
I'm guess the conversation before making these types of video goes something like this:
"Hey Serral, let's make a video where I use some dumb trick to beat you and you pretend to fall for it and lose! I'll split the video income with you 50/50!"
🤣
I imagine serral was playing two games of sc2 at once that first game hahaha
Harstem played great and had a winning strategy. The only issue was, his opponent was Serral.
Something is wrong with me. I have no idea what is going on, what this game is about, or what anything, and I can not stress this enough, at all, does or is doing, yet I keep watching these videos, constantly reminded that I have not enough minerals.
*Edited for grammar.
suggestion: play whatever you want, but you have to constantly tell your opponent what you're doing
he doesn't do chat stuff because it's bm
Hello, cap'n! o7 Here's a bronze idea: proxy a Colossus and have it sneak up a cliff inside someone's main while you attack their front gate. It's like a really delayed, expensive and unreliable reaper rush.
I've always wondered why hidden expos are not a more common thing. There are so many places that would need to be scouted, how would it not work at least sometimes?
Might be too difficult?
Beating Grandmasters With Stupid Stuff suggestion:
As Protoss, get your first +1 upgrade (air or ground) before starting your first unit (except probes) and make sure to continuously upgrade until 3/3. Cannon rushing is OK (encouraged).
14:55 What was supposed to be cancelled? The stalkers?
Maybe try proxying everything for BGMWSS, but every proxy is in a different location. Max 2 buildings per proxy pylon (Canons or batteries don't count ofc)
SENRTY FORCEFIELD - STORM DROP combo , herd all the drones in the center then storm.
Could you, please, do this stupid stuff - play push in every matchup but against wrong race: in PvT play glave-adept push, in PvZ play blink-push, in PvP play archon drop?
Sending suggestion energy to our GOAT