Ayanokoji VS Sakayanagi Chess Match Analysis | Classroom of the Elite Season 3, Episode 11
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- #classroomoftheelite This chess match was DECENT but I'm pretty sure the anime did both Ayanokoji and Sakayanagi dirty in comparison to the source material. Idk though, I'm ignorant.
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00:00 intro
01:35 the REAL move
05:00 context
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Edit* Common comments responses: All the moves shown in this video are made by Ayanokoji and Sakayanagi (y'all are passionate), chess is more about pattern recognition and memorization than intelligence, it's the last thing I say in the video but I say "Not a genius at chess" very specifically, I'm not judging the author, the episode was still amazing, yes it was a time scramble and you can't expect accurate moves even from geniuses, ratings vary depending on your daily mental condition even if you're generally rated higher, Sakayanagi and Ayanokoji take over from the mid game after the other two take like 45 minutes to make something like 16 moves, Sakayanagi had suspicions but didn't figure it out COMPLETELY on her own.
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The chess match was first played with two different classmates that are inexperienced in chess, only in the last few minutes the „captains“ stepped in
Bro do you even read ln or watch the show? If you think that real life geniuses are better than ayanokoji then name a real genius person that can fight know multiple martisl arts, obtain all human academic knowledge before turning 18 know how to play instrument can solve highschool level math problem at age below 9 and can speak multiple language
@@karmaakabane1113Don't get me wrong, I like classroom of the elite, but that just isn't realistic 💀
@@hyperbuilder yes thats why they are better than a real genius cuz they are the perfect human genius the author want them to be they arent meant to be realistic they are meant to be superhuman
@@karmaakabane1113 yes, I agree. You also can't really compare fiction to non-fiction tho
I believe she said "I didn't expect you would make such mistake" after the match
This is true but if I ever play Magnus Carlsen and he blunders a counter punch that's only like 3 moves deep, I'd assume he was in a coma
@@Rane501They were playing very fast, almost like bullet. Magnus did indeed blunder quite a lot of times in that time control.
@@lebannen6056they were playing classical wdym? it was 60 minutes each
@@blade7535 Rewatch the episode if you didn't notice, they were blitzing out moves basically without thinking, the time control was 60 minutes but they were playing bullet-like.
@@lebannen6056 Bro even in bullet games players like magnus and hikaru have over 90-95 accuracy.... No way they are missing such an easy mate in 3!!
Magnus even plays fully drunk and beats 2600-2700 rated bullet players
Fun fact, in Japan, even if she was only 1400, she'd still be in the top 20 for women chess players in the country, and if she was 1600 shed nearly be top 100 overall lol
Ain't no way I'm top 30 or even lower in japan 💀
Lmao 😂
What even is this comment like are you delusional maybe in the 1800s but rn top 100 for women is like 2300 very very very different than 1600 buddy
@@BS_Kuji He's talking about Japan where the competitive chess scene is basically non existent because most people there play shogi
@@henczzz2035 I mean just go to the official Fide rankings for Japanese women and you'll see that the current rank 15 is only rated 1485
I think it's worth mentioning that the LN only shows the first 1 or 2 moves, and specifically mentions a queen sacrifice - other then that, it's up to the reader's imagination. The anime kinda did those two dirty - they should have just used an actual match between two grandmasters instead of trying and failing to make a "genius" game
or better yet, stockfish against stockfish. you could either make arisu's stockfish worse in rating or make it play a worse opening. you just gotta make sure you include the 2 moves that were mentioned
This.
There are dozens of well known games with queen sacrifice above 2500+ elo, or just some of Nezhmedinov would be cool.
Yeah watching these 2 play was pretty upsetting when theres so many brilliant games they could easily have allowed to influence the game
The saddest part is with the position a couple moves ago. Ayanokoji had a completely winning position and he made 2 huge blunders in a row that ended up giving Sakayanagi yhe completely winning position, but Sakayanagi couldn't gind the easy win and went for the fancy queen sac that loses the game on the spot if Ayanokoji finds the counter.
No anime mostra que os lances foram alterados pela Escola. 😢
no its not like that, the chairman rigged the moves
@@yourtechnicalassistant6672 no. it was a shitshow of a match. ridicolous through and through
@@simonenoli4418 thats the fault of either the novelist or adaptation writers(i dont remember if the chess game has the same details in both)
he canonically lost because the game was rigged by the chairman
There was no actual chess game details in the novel, most we got was E4 and E5 and then the rest was a general description of the match @@Zyluki
Ayano found it in less than a minute
Yup I agree like 4 seconds
In like a few seconds, he was just thinking about Horikita's thighs with the other 57 seconds
@@Rane501 relatable
@@Rane501who wouldn't be lol
Bruh it fiction anyone can create a character stronger and smarter then any in existance lol 😂
The Light Novel's author probably doesn't know much about chess, the intention, especially confirmed in Volume 0, is that these 2 (especially koji) are really good. In volume 0 Ayanokoji beat GMs as a child.
GMs? Seriously?
@@king_of_badassness no never mentioned.
GM's was not mentioned but PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS were mentioned...
Its mentindo "Professional players"
Can be Fide Masters too
@@victorhugo-gb7kx not that I recall. Give me the chapter
If I remember right, it did say in the LN that Ayanokouji was ahead serveral times in the game and mr.chairman has to interfere a few times just to get Sakayanagi a winning chance, like make 2-3 questionable move in a row (which only abandon the oppotunity to improve, not to blunder if it make sense)
That's how even before the Queen sac, Ayanokouji was way ahead in points of material.
I guess the studio decided that they can't be in the GM's level so they just pick a random puzzle and plug it in.
I don't remember them saying that, I think the only confirmed intervention was the one at the end.
Also Ayanokoji stated while training Horikita that if she could beat him while he is going easy then he can beat there opponent, and Ayanokoji clearly wasn't trying very much considering he didn't report his answer had been altered. So like usual he is down playing himself so Ayanokoji while going easy with a bad start is 1800. So it still isn't accurate.
The match was firstly played my amateurs, if you don't remember, Ayanokoji and Sakayanagi only stepped in by the end of the game
Thanks for covering their chess game. I was waiting for someone to do it.
Sameeee
I was waiting for Gotham chess or hikaru Nakamura tho..
the game in the anime involves a really bad animation error, so i'm not surprised that it's not featured anywhere 😭😭
Samr
6:26 The writer isn't an artificial genius therefore the only thing he can do is just write that his character is a genius and try to make it work😮
there are engines so not really
funny how dumb people even fall for this garbage.
Use stockfish, use historical games, or ask chatgpt. It isn't that hard
awesome video
just seen the video mself and was glad that you took the time to break down the board for us!
GRACIAS, yo necesitaba ver este vídeo.
She did realize it was a weird move thats why they had a rematch to continue from where it was left and Ayanakoji beat her with that amazing move
Yes!
Yeah ayano could only give horikita help and not play the game so she could choose to move that move or not
@@Undercoverguy-qu3vzthat’s true but she’s definitely choosing his moves over her own 😂
@@Senzu_Beannn No shit but sakayanagi doesn’t know if horikita choosed to move her move or ayano‘s moves
But also it was halfway through the game anyway he could’ve probably destroyed her out of the opening
I think Sakayanagi is genuinly a 1600, and its not like she got any real chess training apart from just playing it with others. So, even that is impressive. But, I think Ayanokoji is just holding back and playing at her level, just like he does always.....
Agreed
Nope, in the very episode she said she started learning chess after looking ayanakoji
No she’s a gm she literally been playing since she was 4
The anime did them dirty
I can't speak for the anime, since they do a very questionable job at adapting the story, but in the novels Ayanokoji had to go all out to just barely beat her at the end. They basically recognized each other as equals in chess.
4:20 LN game was a completely different game it started with e4 e5 Nf3... And Ayanokoji sacced the queen earlier
It was still a 600 elo level game play
@@MANGAMASTERS_ in the novel you wouldn't be able to tell how the game exactly went
The anime just made it look low level
@@MANGAMASTERS_you wouldnt be able to tell since we barely see any moves
@@MANGAMASTERS_if baku says it than it must be true
@@MiraS24 that's the neat part we can't tell how the game went cuz of writer's inability to write a gm level game that' why it would still be a 600 elo gameplay .
Also you have to understand that they weren’t playing chess at the start of the match so they both needed to make improvements and adapt to the game to save themselves. Also it was a 60min game and they got involved around the 30min mark.
I'm barely 700 but I was screaming when I saw this, If I (after more than 3 minutes tbh) understood that Qg5 was the best move because of the pawn there's no way that a chess genius shouldn't see it
Possibly to let more viewers understand the match
You probably found this because you expected a brillant move. There is no way a 700 rated player find this move in a match (unless you're not 700 elo).
@@Lecultedumicro-ondes people usually says that I'm good at founding great moves but I'm very slow, so most of the games I'm rushing because I'm short on time
@@Lecultedumicro-ondes This is true. I am less than 600elo and I can find the sacrifice moves in puzzles. But in a match, I would not be able to do it.
@@Lecultedumicro-ondesyeah actually i am 850 elo and i only found like 4 brilliants, best accuracy rate is 91-92 and it was me with pride boost bc i was playing with my friend who is my rivale 💀💀 if i play like that every game i would be like 1100 or 1200 at least but yeah i am playing chess just for fun i mean somtimes i start trolling in the mid game and doing random sacrifices and yeah one of them was a brilliant and i literally found it 😂😂😂
BTW my friend elo is 1200 but he was half sleeping and our score is 32/9 😭😭😭
Bro explained a 1000 play and acted like it was profound
Dude, i've never seen a 1000 doing moves like that, don't talk shit
@@sebastianguerrero8252 all those moves were like sht except the last move which was controlled by the principal
@@lyntran7997 yup, they literally played all the mid moves and the only brilliant move of the game had been altered and not even made
@@sebastianguerrero8252quit dickriding man, even chess streamers would look like Hikaru if they matched them
if i was writing such a novel, i'd just steal some historic game with a really good twist. There's a ton of analysis' online on such games and it's not like illegal to copy the chess moves to your story lol
crazy position, so many perfect sequences and details on both sides
not really i’m a higher elo than them
Actually, no. The two of them are blundering constantly. They're actually playing worse that the newbies playing before them.
the real question is why your video is the first video ive seen covering this. i subscibed, give more super frequent anime related content!
LOL
I've been waiting for this
Ayanokoji is not a Chess Genius, he is a Human stockfish 🦖
Qxe7, but with Bxf3 instead of Qxf3 ayonokoji will lose
You're exaggerating. Like that's a huge exaggeration.
Dude literally beat a supercomputer on a speed chess and he's only 9 yrs old that time
@@vyrenizauxus7538 then blundered in this game like a 1500 elo
@@KentarouML He intentionally blundered it, rewatch the episode
I see both sides to this but yes, you are correct about her being oblivious to certain moves that her rating is a bit lower than what is actually said but you have to remember that they did not start playing from the start so you can't really make an estimated guess, not too clearly because of the last few minutes of the game since other people were playing before them. Though Sakayanagi and how Ayanokoji were playing could make you guess how they think endgame, still not a clear way to guess their ratings but yeah other than that nice video. Loved someone making an analysis on it. My rating is around 1600 btw LOL.
i read the ln
basically, there was only one defensive resource in the situation, and kiyo entered that into the computer, but tsukishiro and his several teams of cronies calculated tirelessly to find a move that looked like it wasn't immediately losing but had presumably even longer follow-up before the eventual loss
the anime, imo, had a very hard time with figuring out how to show this off especially with the game that was already planned out(?), but i only watch the dub... so idk yet
@technoeye6142 they don't have to necessarily be better than engines, alice is merely a natural-born genius, and a sort of chess prodigy by portrayal; something i am intimately familiar with; one would expect her to be 2300-2400 fide, if not a little higher
although, one could suppose kiyo would be quite a bit stronger still. I believe it was once mentioned that kiyo surpassed all the masters that came to challenge him, so perhaps it has implications about kiyo in relation to something or other
the match was changed in the anime from the ln i think cause in the ln the ln the opening was e4 and e5 ... so i think in anime version they just animated a real match from some website
Maybe they should've taken one of my games.
The reality is that your perfect human is not so perfect.
@@user-gz2px6eh7s are u dumb? its a fictional character
@@user-gz2px6eh7s the reality is that the anime butchered the chess scene
@@randominternetuser7431 The anime died before the chess scene appeared
i didn't see all this deep detailed situation watching the anime, thanks for explaining the double queen sacs were amazing to me.
Ayanokoji and Sakayanagi are not really meant to be even close to Magnus. All that they are are prodigies, not necessarily enough to beat Magnus. The WR used chess to teach/scale their intelligence and thinking abilities, but not to make them reach Magnus level of skill in CHESS. Only improve their abilities outside chess, using chess. It doesn't mean Ayanokoji is gonna be really high GM level or something. Magnus would absolutely destroy Ayanokoji even with narrative/statements.
That is not correct Ayanokoji in the LN beat a super computer funded by the government in a chess match this same computer can think 20,000,000 times in a single second that would mean Ayanokoji's actual rating would be over 3600 but some people can't write chess games properly so this was just a statement so we have to base how good Ayanokoji is at chess off that
@@aizenuchiha4998a valid point but still invalid in terms of fictional and real life scenarios.
There is a person who has defeated a supercomputer in real life too who can one side dominate magnus is chess.
@@-victim. Well we are literally comparing a fictional characters to a Grandmaster
@@aizenuchiha4998 yeah i agree 👍🏻💯
The guy in the end said Ayanokoji would have won. When sakajanagi played her queen sac, Ayano had around 1 minute left. So I believe Ayanos rating must be pretty high to find that move in a time to makeit still winnable
He defeated a super computer or stockfish if you prefer but it wasn’t shown in the anime but it was stated in the novel and there’s a document based on that feat or the statement
@@ashithink the only thing he did was FINDING that move before stockfish, something that happens IRL sometimes when GMs play. He never defeated stockfish and that document is bs.
@@m3k569 That only shows that koji was faster than stockfish and why are you highlighting finding?
What's your point?
@@gamershub992 nope stockfish can find mate in 10+ in seconds. Ayanokoji doesn't hold a candle against stockfish.
@@gamershub992 Also the skill level of Sakayanagi is very inconsistent. The guys who were behind making this game clearly didn't know anything about chess. Like Sakayanagi was flabbergasted when Ayanokoji took a piece which resulted in a check, but was able to find a way to sacrifice her queen. When her queen was taken, she said that no ordinary person could achieve that move, although 99% of the population would play that move. In other words, stop overrating COTE!
This was anime direction invention. The game was never showed in the novel (original). Its just explained later that was a simple pawn move that decided the match (which was altered by the staff). They sit few days later and he shows her what was the real move he wanted to do.
Actually in Light Novel the chess game is not shown except the opening moves so they have to create a chess game all by themselves. I don't think they had the budget to bring a professional chess player just to create a 5 min scene so they did what they knew ig
They do. All they had to do was simulate a game between chess bots. It's free. Stockfish is free
@@thatonenoob7854 but the opening has to be shit can they change the level in the middle of the game?
@@thatonenoob7854 they dint use chess bot.If they use the battle will be fire🔥🔥
@@ackermandz8485 I believe you can simulate a crappy game yourself first and then let stockfish/bot play midway.
@@ackermandz8485stock fish can adjust elo.
"They play stupidly like pigs" - An Vietnamese chess youtuber🗣🔥🔥🔥
Quick note: Before all of you jump me, you should watch the entire match before this moment. it's not just some blunders, it's FULL of blunders, mistakes and missed opportunity.
Love that she find losing Qxf3 instead of winning Bxf3 that was putting White in completly losing position
in the light novels, the chess match is vaguely describe, thats why im surprise that they show it on the anime because im pretty sure that it'll be analyze by the professionals to see their real level.. they probably just find this play on some chess match in some way, and patch it on the anime..
The moves weren't shown in the light novel. It was just stated as a very intense chess game where when ayanokoji was ahead, the guy had to change his moves into bad ones. It's the animation studio who had to show the match because it was filled mostly of inner monologue, so they tried to improvise i guess
Tbf consider that the match started with 2 people who have been playing for a couple weeks and they picked up over halfway through which if you start with a bad game you can't expect god tier moves immediately following it, because it starts at the beginning. Also keep in mind that one of them started later then the other genius meaning he started from a bad position and had to figure out a way to get out of that and come up with a winning strategy.
I can understand your complaints or problems with how the game was going if the board state came to that if both were playing from the beginning but they weren't.
sure but even then, Sakayanagi's winning move was BxN which would force checkmate no matter what. even if you make the argument that Ayanokoji's moves were rigged and that him blundering checkmate with the QxR move and that doesn't show his skill is true, it shows that Sakayanagi isn't that good since she missed forced mate
@@calvincarson8301I guess you can sac the Queen on e4 to then play f3 After Bxe4 but yes white can resign after Bxf3
@@rats0155 after BxNf3, even if white plays Qe4, black just plays Qxg2#
@@calvincarson8301 To be fair, they never really said Sakayanagi was a top tier chess player, she probably overestimated herself, or just wanted to play against ayanakoji anyway
@@rats0155 Qxe4. If gxf3, Rg6+, Kh1, Qxf3#. If g3, nothing can stop the queen from going to g4 to h3 to g2. White can throw in a check if they want but it won't do anything. If white plays anything else, the most resistance being playing Rfe1. Black can play Be2, swing the rook over to g6, and mate is coming on g2 in some fashion. If white throws f3 in there, the queen will just shuffle to e3 then f2 before mating on g2. It isn't worth going over the variations but mate is still forced in relatively short order.
The cleaner way to go is not to play Bxf3 but to leave the pin as is and play Rg6 to begin with. If g3, then Qxf3 and Qg2#. If Ne1, Bxg2. If Nxg2, Qxg2#. If basically anything else, the bishop moves back on any square on the long diagonal which forces Ng2, Qxg2#.
So yeah, Ayanokoji was a piece up then blundered away to get to this position. Then Sakayanagi proceeds to ignore two different forced wins that are simpler to see and use the same basic idea that she's trying to use. Even worse, she does it in such a way that narrows the opponent's options so much that as long as the opponent knows enough to see the mating pattern, they're left with all of 2 moves to consider, one of them being Qg5 and the other being Qe8+ which results in black having a winning position (active Q and R vs B and a pair of inactive rooks) but not a forced win. So I don't really take serious issue with how the game was going before even if I do think the moves were a bit poor. If anything, the others who were playing before played better than the captains who both almost immediately blundered the game back and forth in obvious ways. When a "good" player joins, you don't expect god tier brilliancy moves right off the bat right after hopping into the middle of a game because there's been no setup. Rather, you'd expect good moves which improve the position and get working on a plan. Both of them had plans, absolutely garbage ones that threw away the game almost immediately.
So this is the actual record upon him hopping in. Ayanokoji never centralizes his rooks, instead messing around with his knights which were in plenty fine position already. Sakayanagi opens the position which is fine but then blunders a piece in short order. Ayanokoji ends up a solid piece but instead of defending, he trades off his most active piece and lands himself in this position where he's thrown the game. Sakayanagi overlooks two forced mates and throws the win. Ayanokoji finds a rather pretty rebuttal, albeit one that he's almost forced to find by the position offering so few candidate options. So I'd say that they were both putting out one unmitigated disaster after another. The actual play is probably about 800-900 which commonly has the traits of "has some good ideas but makes a lot of errors and has a tendency to tunnel vision which results in overlooking basic principles". Maybe even a little less given the leadup to it. I'd say the other students played better than they did and not by a small margin. At least they didn't blunder ever other move.
Ever since the scene got released I've been searching for one that fully explains whats happening. Thank goodness you appeared on my recommendations
Forgot to mention that in the anime the leaders were supposed to play for a maximum of 30 minutes (which is enough, but watching them blitzing moves make it seems like it was supposed to be a blitz game at that point), so it is fair to suppose that a very strong player made a mistake because they were in zeitnot (low on time), which is why she didn't question that a mistake like that could happen even if the opponent is strong.
Overall, I analyzed the game and I realized that a certain point of the episode (which apperently is made up) the position didn't quite matched the position some moves before, though it resemble it. in particoular, the knight in f6 has suddenly vanished at a certain point. Also the moves shown at the start of the game (b3 Nc6 d3) didn't match with the position some moves later, but I could guess what the first 16 moves of the game were supposed to be anyway if I suppose that e3 was played and not d6, so I guess something like that might happened later on, but it's alright (I think a professional chess player helped the production of the anime to make up this game, sending them a proper game, in fact the move sheet that was shown was accurate, but the anime didn't displayed it well lmao)
In the middlegame there were some mistakes here and there and some misses that were quite easy to catch, but it's understandable due to the production being held by people who don't know anything about chess (and lighr novel's author too).
But the endgame was quite fun, and Qg5 was a very impressive move that quite fit the narrative.
awsome analysis
I don't know anything about chess but this video and the anime makes me wanna learn and start playing
"To be able to play chess a sign of a gentleman.
To be able to play chess well is the sign of a wasted life."
-Some world champion a long time ago
@@MobSnek paul morphy, arguably the best chess player to ever live
@@Rane501 its correct although my rating is not super high but I can feel the depth in this sentence
@@MobSnek emory tate wasnt close to being world champ, he wasnt even a gm
i definitely agree with him (I'm 1300 elo rated player in irl)
There is another context to the game too, that most of the early game was played by the Ayano and Sakayanagi's classmates whom they taught before. It wasnt played by them from the start. They had to play with the positions their students had left in the game. So, there's that variable in the equation too. But still, i am no expert and dont know how much do positions change a person's play in a game.😅
In the anime (idk bout the manga) Ananokoji and Sakayanagi weren't playing most of the game, they just took the end of the game which is why it's depicted as "genius" because they took the position left to them by average or above average players and had to mold it into a winning game
I knew this was mid , but what the hell was the opening , tell us about that too
Anime loves to have a chess scene to show off how smart the characters are. But the creators aren't seasoned chess players and they assume those watching aren't either. It's like when a movie includes scientific gibberish and impliedly requests the audience to suspend its disbelief and pretend it's accurate.
truuuuee
I rlly liked the video and i agree with what you say, but it is also worth to keep in mind, specially after the last episode came out, that Ayanakoji never rlly tried, he's always at 70-80% of his true ability or even less, so in my opinion it would be such an Ayanokoji move to just play at Sakayanagi's level but slightly higher to unsure a win without standing out or smth like that. Plus, idk much about chess, but if Ayanakoji was higher than 2000 rating all the way through the whole match i would find it hard that he wouldnt just be absolutely destroying her and not even letting her be in the position she was.
Thank you sir for the explanation
Great analysis! The match was changed in the anime from the "original story". Some people said it was better match the original one, you should do a analysis of that one too
Can't, there's only 2 moves noted in the novel
E4 and E5 plus a knight move but that wasn't noted
wait are you talking about, the novel didnt cover everything
Didnt 2 other people play out the game before they took over??? Then from that position the captains handled the rest? It would be possible to believe they are higher but played with the hand they were dealt
yeah
Sakayanagi was completely winning but made a blunder at the end. The queen sacrifice near the end that shocked everyone was actually a move that made her from completely winning to completely losing assuming ayano found the queen sacrifice
Great video, Everyone saying that he is 3000+ rated when he most likely isn't trained for that level is crazy. Pretty accurate elo for a person who is a literal genius and hasn't played chess for a long time or haven't prepared for the high level.
In the light novel the moves aren't specified so the anime had to make up some moves to show but screwed up terribly.
Qxg5 sure its good but black should have taken the f3 knight with the c6 bishop and then is completely losing for white.
Haven't thought about it, but if true,, Sakayanagi was done dirty with that move frrr
Pawn to G3 will prevent the mate
Qh3 would be lethal
Qh3 and white has nothing to defend@@near6291
No actually,
Qe8 Ayano
Kh7 sakayanagi
g3 Ayano
Qh3 sakayanagi
Qe4 Ayano
Bxe4 sakayanagi
f3 Ayano
And the game goes
If I'm not mistaken, the vast majority of this match was played by other students. They could only send suggestions to them for a price and Ayakokoji chimed in much later than his opponent did which was a tad odd. In hindsight he was probably aware of the possibility that the match was rigged.
I don't think he was ever really playing a game against class A, but rather setting a lure to the admins to see if all this was all futile.
He immediately caught it and just quit then and there as there was no hope of any of this working if he wasn't in control, plus he had already achieved his true objective.
This makes sense because Ayanokoji does often sacrifice one objective to secretly achieve another which almost nobody else would dare do or suspect anyone of doing (pawn sacrifice variant IRL?).
Also, Sakayanagi maybe was a bit of a disappointment if you were expecting her to have closed the gap between them more, however it's fine. I'd expect nothing less from her realistically speaking. She got further that I would have.
Sakayanagi actually asked ayano why did he blunder that obvious move, and then that guy interfered. I really thought they would mess the chess part but they did it great.
Did black move twice? because when the queen took the knight there was no move from white beforehand.
The question is what will ayanokoji do if instead of Qf3, Sakayanagy plays Bf3, it is a completely lost position for white.
white has an extra rook so that wouldn't matter. Also the position is completely winning for white after g3.
@@user-tl1id9hz7z Bxf3 forces checkmate. Hate to admit it, but these punks are right for once.
@@kshitiz6376wym by these punks?
@@user-tl1id9hz7z you have to sacrifice the queen to avoid checkmate, try using Stockfish in this position.
I know chess isn't for everyone but knowing that a queen is worth way more than a single rook isn't supposed to be hard to understand...
Remembering that in the LN it took 20 GM + Supercomputers to hinder Ayanokoji moves so he can't come back with a win con, let that sink in...
The anime did them so dirty, they were supposed to have like 2800 Elo for Sakayanagi and 3000 Elo (difficult to estimate) for Ayanokoji, but instead we got a 1400-1500 Elo match if we're generous
That makes no sense. Im no where near gm level, only 2100, but good god man if I could replace even a single move from a stockfish game, i could make it lose almost instantly.
But that's not what Tsukishiro did. The LN explained that the move he changed to wasn't the worst move or anything like that, it was a reasonable move that opened up the opportunity for Sakayanagi tocheckmate
That's an over exaggeration
@@PJ.N3G4 what is exaggerated?
@@leobiju3787 It was never said that it is 20 grandmasters lol. The original statement is "chess professionals" which is a general term for those who has high ratings+has chess as their number one career.
You forgot that the openings and the first part of the middle game was being played by horkita and hashimoto so of course it would look like some 1600 are playing. Cause they provided thebopening position. If they both played it from the start i think the difference could have been noticed.
Do u play chess ? Idk why but u don't seem like u have played much. It doesn't matter whether the opening was played by them, the move in question was not high level and that move was played by them .
no one takes the knight with the queen instead of the bishop bro. It's beyond absurd
I m sorry if i m not very good at chess (I m around 1600) but I don't know what s the problem with BxKf3 instead of the QxKf3. It stills threatens checkmates in g2 and, even if QxKf3 is prettier, I think the move I mentioned is better because it keeps control of everything. Maybe I missed something: If it s the case, please help me to solve this hahahah
The problem with your move is writer doesn't know anything about chess (I am around 2100) and yes your is correct
1:00 here bishop takes f3 and the white loses right?
I think white can just go g3 and be completely fine (not really you will still lose ur queen)
@@pavelmatusu4457queen goes h3 and next move is check mate, no?
Not necessarily but you will lose your queen
@@pavelmatusu4457how??
yep
The manga one has a danish gambit and he was fire
Which chapter
I gotta read the manga, I love the danish gambit wth
you should read the light novel. It's the actual source material of the anime, and only the second year of the manga is actually good. The ligh novel is amazing@@Rane501
Danish gambit? I used to play that when I was 800
@@Rane501 read the Light Novel, not the manga
I dont understand why she would sacc Queen if she could capture knight with bishop and its unstoppable mate anyway. Could someone explain, why its "dope move" as Rane said?
Actually the moves were different, the queen was already in g4, also after that koji made a mistake and same for her.
Exactly relatable!😄 animator
Don't know about chess
In case of
COTE - BEGINNER LEVEL
Code geas - the first time human playing chess.
No disrespect to any animator but,
In codegeas
1. luluech opppent miss one move checkmate.
2.king in front of king.
😂like wtf. I'm being average chess player just reading the board make me laugh 😂. And more over In yt there are videos like
How to play chess like Ayanokoji / luluech.
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Really enjoyed the whole video bro.🎉
Glad someone said this, I have seen so many people claiming her to be 2400 or at least an im level
The anime butchered the chess game. It was supposed to be two GM against each other and against several operators and a supercomputer at the same time.
I found it interesting this most recent video of yours became the most viewed in your channel.
She is not a genius in chess, she said that she wanted to beat Ayanokoji in his own game cause she considers that to be the genius move. She herself says that
Imagine being a genius and missing bxf3
There was an analysis about why Sakayanagi didnt move bxf3 and why Koji didnt countering it.
@@Shicva2029can you show me?
@@DamonCaulfied aight wait for me a bit, im at work rn
@@Shicva2029 im waiting too pls tag me when u send it
Then what could checkmate
ayanokoji defeated the most advanced chess bot in the world which on one else has done
I mean, in fiction, you have character like Shiro beating a program that explored two hundred million possibilities a second. She won twenty times in a row, alternating who moved first just to demonstrate the imperfection of the program.
Ye and also the author says he can see 100 moves into the future, news flash bro its all fake. It's fiction, ayanokoji is seen as perfect in his own verse but when u include real life and other verses u have to take into consideration the level at which both are competing at. The best chess bot was probably 2000 elo or something at that time(remeber chess bots have evolved) cuz at one point the most advanced chess but was1200 then when it got beat they created better ones then even better then even better
Remember, they took over part way through. These 2 ratings cannot be judged after taking over the game of 2 ametures. They adjusted to what they were dealt as the positionings were likely not their ideal.
I’m at 1900 level but honestly I’ve seen 1800-2000 rated players to do much worse stuff I had a FM just blunder a knight move 12 against me and resigned I think the last position is a brilliant puzzle find it’s also cool to see that Qd8+ also wins cause you could go to g5 after and threatening the same thing but great video though
I think that the author of the video is overestimating his own chess skills. As you say I doubt that even in a Classical game an FM would easily play that Qg4 instead of taking the queen.
@@danieldestinocrafteroyt4605 no one above 800 would take the queen in a classical game its an obvious forced mate in 3 and finding Qg4 is not as Hard because there is no other way to reasonable prevent the checkmate in on g2
This game was a shitshow.
im not watching your analisys but im glad there is one outlet to vent.
Ayanokoji opened with a fking Nimzolarser attack that basically sacks the center control to play for counter then at move 3 decides to go e3 and i was like "wtf is this"
then it jumped to several moves later and its shown the white bishop being in Bb5 which is IMPOSSIBLE to achieve with a Nimzolarsen opening where you play 3. e3 (you literally are closing the door on that bishop until past midgame.
then towards the end Ajanokoji does 2 stupid moves in a row and hands a +5!!!!! advantage to Sakajanagi the BLUNDERS the fk out with QxNf3??
like are we supposed to think these people are genious?
there are SO MANY Fisher games that they could have pulled out from any database that would fit the narrative but they HAD to make this mess of a game
The move change was irrelevant tbh, yes it handed the victory to sakajanagi but honestly if they she didnt blunder she'd be winning ANYWAYS.
crazy
lmaoooooo real chess fanatics KNOW
subpar response coming from such a chess fanatic, makes me think youre just saying this for your ego/chess sake and you havent really done your homework lol. youll have to understand that it wasnt ayanokoji who opened with the Nimzolaser attack, it was horikita, the girl who was set to fight another student from another class, ayanokoji and Sakayanagi were set as leaders to tap in if the students they selected to fight were having trouble, thats why its their match, ayanokoji and Sakayanagi only played some mid-end game and even then he didnt go all out, but besides how the story is played out, you also have to realize that this is all taken from a light-novel, which this exact scene was written in 2018, I'm not sure about you but i dont think that this writer is on level with Magnus Carlsen to be able to write a chess game of such level. he would have to use stockfish or something but that also wouldnt work well due to writings sake. the chess game they actually played didnt really matter for it to deliver the message the writer wanted to deliver. so to analyze this chess match from a hardcore chess perspective then youre missing the point. TL;DR you missed the point blud and your response basically means nothing and is subpar to what it meant in the actual anime. and you got your information wrong ;)
@@jj3472 you're totally right
@@jj3472 You absolutely make no sense whatsoever
Horikita explicity tells us she was coached by Ajanokoji.
do you think for a second that she can forget a chess opening 3 moves in? THREE. MOVES. IN?
Nimzo larsen attack is
1. b3
2. Bb2
3. Nf3
4. d3 (depends on variations, d3 being the classical one that i suppose Ayanokoji taught her)
NOWHERE in any variation is e3 a move. Horikita shouldnt even consider that! Why? because e3 walls the other bishop in, forever and prevents you from castling.
they RECOGNIZE THAT midgame and INSTEAD of fixing the animation (fair enough) they presented us with another board state a few seconds after
(horikita and the guy are still in control)
in which the bishop that was supposedly buried in the wall pawn (that you can clearly see!) is in b5 which is IMPOSSIBLE to achieve!
not unless the other guy turns around for a second and Horikita fking cheats!
and yes i know that the author isnt magnus carlsen or bobby fisher or Mikail Tal or fking GOD of Chess.
but DATABASES EXIST!!! you can literally PULL OUT A FAMOUS GAME and TRACE THE MOVES!! you DONT EVEN NEED to pull out shit from thin air!!
and more to that. before Sakajanagi bluders her queen like a 1500elo shmuck who thinks they good cause they saw a mate in 2 that DOESNT WORK
Ajanokoji that WAS IN CHARGE AT THE TIME. BLUNDERS by playing QxR!!!
man just go to an analisys board and see that with optimal play from sakajanagi after QxR?? Ajanokoji is DEAD LOST!!
QxR? BxNf3!
g3 Qh3
Qe8+ Kh7
Qe4 BxQ
f3 [...]
and Sakajanagi has a Q for a R with an attack still mounting. She's winning completely.
but she Blunders and plays QxNf3?? handing the advantage to Ajanokoji with Qg5!! to get the advantage.
mind me. Qg5 there is actually a great move. like, a really great move IF WE DIDNT CONSIDER THE DOUBLE BLUNDER THAT HAPPENED RIGHT BEFORE!!!!
like cmon, and they REPEAT the game later on and she doesnt go "oh wow i lost cause im DUMB AS FK" but says "oh shit you win those"
NO HE DONT WIN THOSE. you made him WIN!
Just... cmon man.
@@Rane501 i wasnt trying to be mean btw, i really enjoyed YOUR video but i feel like some things should be clarified immediately. i personally really like classroom of the elite, having read the entirety of the light novel series, the manga and the anime adaptation. and as a chess fan i think respect should be paid where respect is due and the creativity and writing of this series i havent seen anywhere else. thats why i think it should be generally defended due to how hard it is to display a genius and his problem solving skills and methods while not being a genius yourself while also trying to make a series that instills dramatic, heart racing and tragic perception within someone. im talking about this more than about chess but i view this chess match as a very important part for the writer and the reader. some chess enjoyer would obviously do a lot to find the chess match of someone who is apparently "smarter" than Magnus Carlsen only to be met by the sad reality that the chess game wasnt allat lmao. in the writing perspective, the chess didnt matter as much as the message being delivered through writing. and in a chess perspective the idea of the writing being displayed to a chess audience should be more important and studied from a subjective and thorough way. EDIT: i forgot to mention my first response was meant to the guy who made the comment we are replying to rn btw
hey, im sorry if you are offended from this. Just let it be bro, the author is trying the best for this story. Anyway it should also be common for supposedly genius character to play around with her words, especially in this context where they are not close buddy who'd love to express all their "clever" thought to oposition. Have you ever heard of sarcasm or rhetoric question 🙏
Oh no, not offended at all, appreciate the perspective
Curious bro but have you accounted the fact that maybe the first 2 players made it look like a 1600 mmr game? ( they played for the first 30 mins of the game) I'm not chess buff but aren't openings to mid game determine stuffs like MMR basing from your judgment? Just to clarify the players who played the game without them (leaders) interfering were only newbies (iirc the other one from the side of A class only played/learned the game for a month while on D side did it in 2 weeks) so I'm curious if that could affect it? I mean one even said that the game they just played looked like child's play. But again I'm not a chess buff so I don't know if that could affect your rating.
I've never watched the anime, but just looking at the positions you're showing I wish I know how we get to the key position.
Being 1450 5+3, Black's plan is nasty, but you feel something is "wrong" about the move.
It's definitely harder to find White's move. On a 5+3, I'd probably miss the move. But since it's classical I'd probably figure out after a couple of minutes (maybe 10?). As there is nothing much more to calculate as a counter... It's all or nothing, right? The only sensible move that even makes sense to prevent mate. Also, it almost seems the dark bishop in fianchetto is here because the plot requires it to be here.
Like with white why in first place it's here, did the guy play a super weird opening first place? I really don't get it 😂
I mostly agree on the ratings you give, they can't be higher. Only reason why this position happens is white doing pedagogical game or smt😂
The endgame was genius its the exact opposite from the middle and opening
in fact, the match was played between Masayoshi Hashimoto and Suzune Horikita, but Ayanokoji (Horikita's helper in the match) and Sakayanagi (Hashimoto's helper in the match) were the captains for the "final test"
Why is there witcher music playing in the background?
Chess lover and anime lover here watching this....nice video bro
If you analyze the full match or all the parts shown in the anime, you can see that there were a lot of mistakes and ineffective moves in the match. Even right at the third move of the game, I think. Ayanakoji's side moved a pawn, completely blocking the bishop's path a few moves later but somehow she can still move it without the pawn moving anywhere else. That is enough to see that the anime maker did not care about this chess scene at all.
And they still even wrote that the pawn moved way later on despite the fact that the pawn was shown moved in the beginning.
But the point is that Kiyo saw this move quickly. The game in the light novel was different, although it is not shown in detail.
An interesting point to highlight is that in the white room, he always beat professionals in chess, even as a child (7 years old or so).
Do we know if that was the only move that the other guy replaced of Ayanokoji's?
In the show it's canon that Ayanokoji does the bare minimum to win, never showing his true ability.
Yes, he still should've won even in that position but the chairman guy wants him expelled.
I think the battle was only rated 1400-1600 because that's Sakayanagi's skill, not Ayanokoji's.
1: 52 you can also move queen to 1 step up word that is more efficient than other moves . why are making critical . but nice video
After that episode i put that position into stockfish and was surprised to find that ayanokoji would have actually won with perfect play
I understand flashy move and why not just take free queen on start?
2 things, 1. 2 amateurs were playing first for a while, and 2. in the ln I believe that they were taking like 5 seconds at most in between turns, they were essentially playing blitz against each other during their part and then ayanokoji got screwed over by the dude
They didnt played from the beginning, just after half the time is down. We need to understand what was the power level in the first half.
Wait. So blacks moved Qg4 and then Qxf3. White didn't move? That or somethings else changed on the board and I didnt notice it.
Also, I'm very low elo, so this might be a very silly question. Why didn't white take the with the bishop? I mean, the pawn seems to be pinned.
not surprised that the anime doesn't do justice for their match, but it doesn't matter in my head when I read the LN lol
Horikita played E4 saying that it's the most reliable 1st move that she learned in a weak and playing Nf3 to reinforce it so I'd give some credit to the author for looking that up cuz it is a very standard and good move to play for a beginner.
I also wished to see them enter a legitimate endgame tho. The LN mentioned that they entered endgame but the anime ends more in a mid game scenario. Still props to finding Qg5 in short time is a pretty sick move.
Finally someone said it. As a chess player myself I also noticed this mistakes that would happen around my level or even lower (my elo is 1400)
As someone that hasn’t fully read the on or manga nor seen the anime but has heard about the supposed lore of what was going on, based on what I’ve heard it seemed that they didn’t play this match out from the start but rather jumped in and took over a math that was already on going by 2 players that are approximately 1500s so they probably had a bad position when they jumped in and had to continue it from there. So might just be me but it is hard to come back from an already losing position especially if it’s 2 geniuses. And from what I’ve heard ayanokoji joined in later in the match meaning he had less time to turn the tables, not to mention the tampered communication device. But I’ve also heard that they supposedly had a second match (idk under what conditions) but ayanokoji wins the second one and was a better representation of their intellect, however I am unsure if it’s animated or just in ln.
It would be accurate only if those premises were true but it isn't. Ayanokoji actually had a pretty close to even at the start. Then he immediately makes his position much worse. Sakayanagi proceeds to blunder away a piece. Ayanokoji takes a position where he's a piece up and instead of ever finishing his development, consolidating, and winning, he grabs more material and throws away the game, getting into a position where Sakayanagi has her choice of 2 forced wins. She proceeds to do neither and instead choose to do something that results in throwing away the game. Not only is it a terrible move but it is one that makes Qg5 incredibly easy to find by the mate in 1 threat eliminating almost every other option. So if you just look at the 2-3 prospective moves, you only need to go about 2-3 moves deep to find the results of each. That's not very complicated at all.
@@NevarKanzaki I havent watched the entire game but having an open center and rooks still at the starting position screams low elo to me
@@siema14123 I'd bet on an 800 rated player to beat either or 10 out of 10 times.
Tsukushiro didnt just have one little room with 4 men inside to track everything... it was a huge server room trying to keep up with them. Atleast thats what it said in the Light Novel
I think that chairman iq is not at that lvl he was unable to neutralize that ayano move so he use to change that move and then sakyanagi didn't get the chance to play her move according to orignal ayanokozi's move so it's wrong to assume that she is not that genius 🤔
Maybe, and I'm putting a big IF, Sakayanagi thought Ayanokouji didn't have the time to calculate so Horikita moved herself (?) Idk. Either way thanks for the explanation!
Nice Video 🔥
Sir i have two doubts i really hope you would explain this.
1. What if white plays e8. How the match would go.
2. If white plays Queen to g5 and Black plays Queen to f6. How the match will turn.
Hope someone could explain.
(i'm new to chess here, so don't judge if if i'm wrong) at 0:24 can't sakayanagi move bishop f3? the pawn can't take back cuz it's pinned and its mate in 1
Yes, she can, and this would be a winning move
so why didn't she do it? i thought she is a genius@@Boris_Dyadyora
@@JJ-gb5j To be honest, because the authors screwed up
@@JJ-gb5j Оn my channel I also uploaded a video about this chess game, where I analyzed more than 23 of its moves. The bad news is that the video is in Russian
ig so🤣@@Boris_Dyadyora
In the novel the director changed all of his moves
Intelligence is more than able to play chess. The base Intelligence (G) help with kognitive tasks like playing chess, but that doesn't mean that someone withe higher IQ winns evry match, how often you play and if you have the Methods how to play is also relevant.