Ayanokoji VS Sakayanagi Chess Match Analysis | Classroom of the Elite Season 3, Episode 11

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  • @Rane501
    @Rane501  8 місяців тому +685

    Edit* Common comments responses: All the moves shown in this video are made by Ayanokoji and Sakayanagi (y'all are passionate), chess is more about pattern recognition and memorization than intelligence, it's the last thing I say in the video but I say "Not a genius at chess" very specifically, I'm not judging the author, the episode was still amazing, yes it was a time scramble and you can't expect accurate moves even from geniuses, ratings vary depending on your daily mental condition even if you're generally rated higher, Sakayanagi and Ayanokoji take over from the mid game after the other two take like 45 minutes to make something like 16 moves, Sakayanagi had suspicions but didn't figure it out COMPLETELY on her own.
    Do NOT subscribe if you expect frequent anime related content. Glad you liked this tho ^.^

    • @Goatjofal
      @Goatjofal 8 місяців тому +28

      The chess match was first played with two different classmates that are inexperienced in chess, only in the last few minutes the „captains“ stepped in

    • @karmaakabane1113
      @karmaakabane1113 8 місяців тому +10

      Bro do you even read ln or watch the show? If you think that real life geniuses are better than ayanokoji then name a real genius person that can fight know multiple martisl arts, obtain all human academic knowledge before turning 18 know how to play instrument can solve highschool level math problem at age below 9 and can speak multiple language

    • @hyperbuilder
      @hyperbuilder 8 місяців тому +39

      ​@@karmaakabane1113Don't get me wrong, I like classroom of the elite, but that just isn't realistic 💀

    • @karmaakabane1113
      @karmaakabane1113 8 місяців тому +9

      @@hyperbuilder yes thats why they are better than a real genius cuz they are the perfect human genius the author want them to be they arent meant to be realistic they are meant to be superhuman

    • @hyperbuilder
      @hyperbuilder 8 місяців тому +8

      @@karmaakabane1113 yes, I agree. You also can't really compare fiction to non-fiction tho

  • @oliverrobinson5541
    @oliverrobinson5541 6 місяців тому +631

    Anime loves to have a chess scene to show off how smart the characters are. But the creators aren't seasoned chess players and they assume those watching aren't either. It's like when a movie includes scientific gibberish and impliedly requests the audience to suspend its disbelief and pretend it's accurate.

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  6 місяців тому +46

      truuuuee

    • @P_I_G_G_A
      @P_I_G_G_A 4 місяці тому +6

      Insert the flash for scientific scenes

    • @FrozenAXL
      @FrozenAXL 3 місяці тому +7

      Lol I adore the light novels, but it's even worse there. I don't know chess that very well, but I know enough to know when I read that part that that's not how chess works.

    • @colinadams5419
      @colinadams5419 2 місяці тому +8

      they should really just make stockfish play against each other

    • @Insignia-bv6gj
      @Insignia-bv6gj Місяць тому

      yeah it's a no-brainier to use some world championship games but they didn't

  • @allanjones1170
    @allanjones1170 7 місяців тому +255

    Bro explained a 1000 play and acted like it was profound

    • @sebastianguerrero8252
      @sebastianguerrero8252 7 місяців тому +49

      Dude, i've never seen a 1000 doing moves like that, don't talk shit

    • @lyntran7997
      @lyntran7997 6 місяців тому +26

      @@sebastianguerrero8252 all those moves were like sht except the last move which was controlled by the principal

    • @siema14123
      @siema14123 6 місяців тому +9

      @@lyntran7997 yup, they literally played all the mid moves and the only brilliant move of the game had been altered and not even made

    • @austinadvincula4410
      @austinadvincula4410 5 місяців тому

      @@sebastianguerrero8252quit dickriding man, even chess streamers would look like Hikaru if they matched them

    • @CaptainWeaboo007
      @CaptainWeaboo007 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@sebastianguerrero8252 bruh you can found something like this at 1500

  • @gamershub992
    @gamershub992 8 місяців тому +2078

    I believe she said "I didn't expect you would make such mistake" after the match

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  8 місяців тому +835

      This is true but if I ever play Magnus Carlsen and he blunders a counter punch that's only like 3 moves deep, I'd assume he was in a coma

    • @lebannen6056
      @lebannen6056 8 місяців тому +93

      ​@@Rane501They were playing very fast, almost like bullet. Magnus did indeed blunder quite a lot of times in that time control.

    • @blade7535
      @blade7535 8 місяців тому +52

      ​@@lebannen6056they were playing classical wdym? it was 60 minutes each

    • @lebannen6056
      @lebannen6056 8 місяців тому +78

      @@blade7535 Rewatch the episode if you didn't notice, they were blitzing out moves basically without thinking, the time control was 60 minutes but they were playing bullet-like.

    • @imsoyam
      @imsoyam 8 місяців тому +130

      ​​@@lebannen6056 Bro even in bullet games players like magnus and hikaru have over 90-95 accuracy.... No way they are missing such an easy mate in 3!!
      Magnus even plays fully drunk and beats 2600-2700 rated bullet players

  • @EranB
    @EranB 8 місяців тому +747

    I think it's worth mentioning that the LN only shows the first 1 or 2 moves, and specifically mentions a queen sacrifice - other then that, it's up to the reader's imagination. The anime kinda did those two dirty - they should have just used an actual match between two grandmasters instead of trying and failing to make a "genius" game

    • @chottomatekudasai-kun3887
      @chottomatekudasai-kun3887 5 місяців тому +47

      This.
      There are dozens of well known games with queen sacrifice above 2500+ elo, or just some of Nezhmedinov would be cool.

    • @Zilliguy
      @Zilliguy 5 місяців тому +27

      Yeah watching these 2 play was pretty upsetting when theres so many brilliant games they could easily have allowed to influence the game

    • @timwhite1783
      @timwhite1783 4 місяці тому +5

      I agree, it's a subtle detail most would not notice but those who did would appreciate it.

    • @GodzillaFreak
      @GodzillaFreak Місяць тому +7

      They coulda contacted some chess computer devs to get an actual superhuman game

    • @isaiahsams8790
      @isaiahsams8790 26 днів тому +5

      @@GodzillaFreakcoulda just had stockfish play itself and force it to sacrifice queen

  • @Pot_steam99
    @Pot_steam99 8 місяців тому +64

    6:26 The writer isn't an artificial genius therefore the only thing he can do is just write that his character is a genius and try to make it work😮

    • @LuisBustos-jq8sz
      @LuisBustos-jq8sz 6 місяців тому +8

      there are engines so not really

    • @linconuo8949
      @linconuo8949 5 місяців тому

      funny how dumb people even fall for this garbage.

    • @anonymousbanana204
      @anonymousbanana204 5 місяців тому

      Use stockfish, use historical games, or ask chatgpt. It isn't that hard

    • @pj4901
      @pj4901 2 місяці тому +4

      That was just lazy, he could've used bots to make a decent -genius like- game.

  • @vietcongnva1197
    @vietcongnva1197 7 місяців тому +53

    "They play stupidly like pigs" - An Vietnamese chess youtuber🗣🔥🔥🔥
    Quick note: Before all of you jump me, you should watch the entire match before this moment. it's not just some blunders, it's FULL of blunders, mistakes and missed opportunity.

    • @jonsnow2791
      @jonsnow2791 4 місяці тому +1

      I mean the first 70% of the match is done by amateurs so isn't that expected?

    • @vietcongnva1197
      @vietcongnva1197 4 місяці тому +13

      @@jonsnow2791 not because of that, but because in both manga and anime, both Ayanokiji and Sakayanagi are described as chess-gods with no mistake, part of their high intelligence.
      In that chess match, not only all four of them make bad and blunder moves. One of them (Suzune Horikita, black hair girl playing) even made ilegal move: bishop jumped over pawn.
      Clearly, they are not that good at chess.

    • @Bob-je7lg
      @Bob-je7lg Місяць тому

      @@jonsnow2791no I analysed the game and horikita and hashimoto actually played better than ayanokoji and sakayanagi

    • @Real777Lucky
      @Real777Lucky 9 днів тому

      ​@@vietcongnva1197Você sabe que o jogo oficial é o da novel, esse do manga e anime é totalmente sem sentido

    • @vietcongnva1197
      @vietcongnva1197 9 днів тому

      ​@@Real777Lucky yes, they do play much better in the novel.
      BUT
      this is criticising on the anime, not novel nor manga.
      Animators don't even give a middle finger. They didn't even animate half of the match.

  • @daviwoo
    @daviwoo 8 місяців тому +56

    The match was firstly played my amateurs, if you don't remember, Ayanokoji and Sakayanagi only stepped in by the end of the game

    • @shubhamgamer5213
      @shubhamgamer5213 3 місяці тому +3

      Fr but the annylissees is also this postion only

  • @mikeevans4341
    @mikeevans4341 8 місяців тому +579

    The saddest part is with the position a couple moves ago. Ayanokoji had a completely winning position and he made 2 huge blunders in a row that ended up giving Sakayanagi yhe completely winning position, but Sakayanagi couldn't gind the easy win and went for the fancy queen sac that loses the game on the spot if Ayanokoji finds the counter.

    • @aguacomgas200
      @aguacomgas200 8 місяців тому +14

      No anime mostra que os lances foram alterados pela Escola. 😢

    • @yourtechnicalassistant6672
      @yourtechnicalassistant6672 8 місяців тому +108

      no its not like that, the chairman rigged the moves

    • @simonenoli4418
      @simonenoli4418 8 місяців тому +20

      @@yourtechnicalassistant6672 no. it was a shitshow of a match. ridicolous through and through

    • @Zyluki
      @Zyluki 8 місяців тому +66

      @@simonenoli4418 thats the fault of either the novelist or adaptation writers(i dont remember if the chess game has the same details in both)
      he canonically lost because the game was rigged by the chairman

    • @Monokrom
      @Monokrom 8 місяців тому +70

      There was no actual chess game details in the novel, most we got was E4 and E5 and then the rest was a general description of the match ​@@Zyluki

  • @hymnjay0097
    @hymnjay0097 8 місяців тому +204

    Thanks for covering their chess game. I was waiting for someone to do it.

    • @VincentMolleno
      @VincentMolleno 8 місяців тому +2

      Sameeee

    • @HitPeace
      @HitPeace 6 місяців тому

      I was waiting for Gotham chess or hikaru Nakamura tho..

    • @unova3557
      @unova3557 6 місяців тому

      the game in the anime involves a really bad animation error, so i'm not surprised that it's not featured anywhere 😭😭

    • @TheA2HI6
      @TheA2HI6 5 місяців тому

      Samr

  • @tunguyen3288
    @tunguyen3288 8 місяців тому +240

    If I remember right, it did say in the LN that Ayanokouji was ahead serveral times in the game and mr.chairman has to interfere a few times just to get Sakayanagi a winning chance, like make 2-3 questionable move in a row (which only abandon the oppotunity to improve, not to blunder if it make sense)
    That's how even before the Queen sac, Ayanokouji was way ahead in points of material.
    I guess the studio decided that they can't be in the GM's level so they just pick a random puzzle and plug it in.

    • @cinnay99
      @cinnay99 7 місяців тому +9

      I don't remember them saying that, I think the only confirmed intervention was the one at the end.

    • @Altacount-mf3uj
      @Altacount-mf3uj 7 місяців тому +6

      Also Ayanokoji stated while training Horikita that if she could beat him while he is going easy then he can beat there opponent, and Ayanokoji clearly wasn't trying very much considering he didn't report his answer had been altered. So like usual he is down playing himself so Ayanokoji while going easy with a bad start is 1800. So it still isn't accurate.

  • @the_phen0m639
    @the_phen0m639 8 місяців тому +1998

    Ayano found it in less than a minute

    • @radhakirshan20
      @radhakirshan20 8 місяців тому +145

      Yup I agree like 4 seconds

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  8 місяців тому +1925

      In like a few seconds, he was just thinking about Horikita's thighs with the other 57 seconds

    • @the_phen0m639
      @the_phen0m639 8 місяців тому +242

      @@Rane501 relatable

    • @CJ-D-GOAT
      @CJ-D-GOAT 8 місяців тому +142

      ​@@Rane501who wouldn't be lol

    • @RajeevRanjan-tp1ku
      @RajeevRanjan-tp1ku 8 місяців тому +55

      Bruh it fiction anyone can create a character stronger and smarter then any in existance lol 😂

  • @kamcio8586
    @kamcio8586 8 місяців тому +47

    if i was writing such a novel, i'd just steal some historic game with a really good twist. There's a ton of analysis' online on such games and it's not like illegal to copy the chess moves to your story lol

  • @archindar5665
    @archindar5665 8 місяців тому +18

    the real question is why your video is the first video ive seen covering this. i subscibed, give more super frequent anime related content!

    • @Toxa2
      @Toxa2 8 місяців тому

      LOL

  • @TerabyteGaming_12345
    @TerabyteGaming_12345 8 місяців тому +132

    I think Sakayanagi is genuinly a 1600, and its not like she got any real chess training apart from just playing it with others. So, even that is impressive. But, I think Ayanokoji is just holding back and playing at her level, just like he does always.....

    • @darkalexander9158
      @darkalexander9158 7 місяців тому +1

      Agreed

    • @prazum
      @prazum 7 місяців тому +5

      Nope, in the very episode she said she started learning chess after looking ayanakoji

    • @DerBAM
      @DerBAM 7 місяців тому +3

      No she’s a gm she literally been playing since she was 4

    • @DerBAM
      @DerBAM 7 місяців тому +12

      The anime did them dirty

    • @cinnay99
      @cinnay99 7 місяців тому +2

      I can't speak for the anime, since they do a very questionable job at adapting the story, but in the novels Ayanokoji had to go all out to just barely beat her at the end. They basically recognized each other as equals in chess.

  • @TruthOfZ0
    @TruthOfZ0 8 місяців тому +109

    She did realize it was a weird move thats why they had a rematch to continue from where it was left and Ayanakoji beat her with that amazing move

    • @hewwo5439
      @hewwo5439 8 місяців тому +2

      Yes!

    • @Undercoverguy-qu3vz
      @Undercoverguy-qu3vz 8 місяців тому +2

      Yeah ayano could only give horikita help and not play the game so she could choose to move that move or not

    • @Senzu_Beannn
      @Senzu_Beannn 8 місяців тому +2

      @@Undercoverguy-qu3vzthat’s true but she’s definitely choosing his moves over her own 😂

    • @Undercoverguy-qu3vz
      @Undercoverguy-qu3vz 8 місяців тому +1

      @@Senzu_Beannn No shit but sakayanagi doesn’t know if horikita choosed to move her move or ayano‘s moves

    • @rileycudney3455
      @rileycudney3455 8 місяців тому

      But also it was halfway through the game anyway he could’ve probably destroyed her out of the opening

  • @CJ-D-GOAT
    @CJ-D-GOAT 8 місяців тому +766

    The Light Novel's author probably doesn't know much about chess, the intention, especially confirmed in Volume 0, is that these 2 (especially koji) are really good. In volume 0 Ayanokoji beat GMs as a child.

    • @king_of_badassness
      @king_of_badassness 8 місяців тому +48

      GMs? Seriously?

    • @1_ofthose
      @1_ofthose 8 місяців тому +129

      ​@@king_of_badassness no never mentioned.

    • @gamershub992
      @gamershub992 8 місяців тому +278

      GM's was not mentioned but PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS were mentioned...

    • @victorhugo-gb7kx
      @victorhugo-gb7kx 8 місяців тому +73

      Its mentindo "Professional players"
      Can be Fide Masters too

    • @1_ofthose
      @1_ofthose 8 місяців тому +8

      @@victorhugo-gb7kx not that I recall. Give me the chapter

  • @TheBros721
    @TheBros721 8 місяців тому +2

    awesome video
    just seen the video mself and was glad that you took the time to break down the board for us!

  • @redpacific359
    @redpacific359 3 місяці тому +42

    The most confusing thing here is, the author could just literally use 2 stockfish(s) battle eachother and choose a game with no draw result, and there we have "genius" game (stockfish is _)

    • @Trxnyts
      @Trxnyts 2 місяці тому +2

      Tan real. Que desperdicio de escena.

    • @imabotatrobloxskyblock6355
      @imabotatrobloxskyblock6355 2 місяці тому +3

      eh nah, the first half of the game was played by average players so it woudent make sense

    • @MoltenCheesetart
      @MoltenCheesetart 2 місяці тому +2

      you cannot just make 2 engines play as amateurs at the first half of the game, switch to GM mode after, and at the same time expect the position of countering queen sack with another queen sack

    • @niceuuuuuu
      @niceuuuuuu 18 днів тому

      no cause the author doesn't want sakayanagi to be displayed as stockfish level

  • @SJ3845
    @SJ3845 8 місяців тому +117

    4:20 LN game was a completely different game it started with e4 e5 Nf3... And Ayanokoji sacced the queen earlier

    • @MANGAMASTERS_
      @MANGAMASTERS_ 8 місяців тому +8

      It was still a 600 elo level game play

    • @MiraS24
      @MiraS24 8 місяців тому +59

      ​@@MANGAMASTERS_ in the novel you wouldn't be able to tell how the game exactly went
      The anime just made it look low level

    • @rax1899
      @rax1899 8 місяців тому +7

      ​@@MANGAMASTERS_you wouldnt be able to tell since we barely see any moves

    • @sskyfire6345
      @sskyfire6345 8 місяців тому +4

      ​@@MANGAMASTERS_if baku says it than it must be true

    • @MANGAMASTERS_
      @MANGAMASTERS_ 8 місяців тому +4

      @@MiraS24 that's the neat part we can't tell how the game went cuz of writer's inability to write a gm level game that' why it would still be a 600 elo gameplay .

  • @LumiSlime
    @LumiSlime 8 місяців тому +9

    I don't know anything about chess but this video and the anime makes me wanna learn and start playing

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  8 місяців тому +11

      "To be able to play chess a sign of a gentleman.
      To be able to play chess well is the sign of a wasted life."
      -Some world champion a long time ago

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  8 місяців тому +4

      @@MobSnek paul morphy, arguably the best chess player to ever live

    • @prazum
      @prazum 7 місяців тому

      @@Rane501 its correct although my rating is not super high but I can feel the depth in this sentence

    • @bananamonkeygaming14
      @bananamonkeygaming14 7 місяців тому

      @@MobSnek emory tate wasnt close to being world champ, he wasnt even a gm

    • @alibyigo
      @alibyigo Місяць тому

      WELCOME TO THE CHESS WORLD

  • @joshuafaith-st5hf
    @joshuafaith-st5hf 8 місяців тому +7

    crazy position, so many perfect sequences and details on both sides

    • @ROLLO_NOTOVER
      @ROLLO_NOTOVER 8 місяців тому +3

      not really i’m a higher elo than them

    • @NevarKanzaki
      @NevarKanzaki 8 місяців тому +6

      Actually, no. The two of them are blundering constantly. They're actually playing worse that the newbies playing before them.

    • @Watashi-Wa-Kat-Desu
      @Watashi-Wa-Kat-Desu 2 місяці тому

      @@ROLLO_NOTOVERimagine being proud over the fact that you have a higher Elo than some non existent drawings, That’s why u get no play

    • @lightyagami4560
      @lightyagami4560 Місяць тому

      @@Watashi-Wa-Kat-Desu imagine getting offended someone called out your fav cartoon for being dumb that's why you don't get no play.

  • @salva__sk1645
    @salva__sk1645 8 місяців тому +5

    GRACIAS, yo necesitaba ver este vídeo.

  • @The100ss
    @The100ss 8 місяців тому +6

    I see both sides to this but yes, you are correct about her being oblivious to certain moves that her rating is a bit lower than what is actually said but you have to remember that they did not start playing from the start so you can't really make an estimated guess, not too clearly because of the last few minutes of the game since other people were playing before them. Though Sakayanagi and how Ayanokoji were playing could make you guess how they think endgame, still not a clear way to guess their ratings but yeah other than that nice video. Loved someone making an analysis on it. My rating is around 1600 btw LOL.

  • @jackpest
    @jackpest 8 місяців тому +93

    Tbf consider that the match started with 2 people who have been playing for a couple weeks and they picked up over halfway through which if you start with a bad game you can't expect god tier moves immediately following it, because it starts at the beginning. Also keep in mind that one of them started later then the other genius meaning he started from a bad position and had to figure out a way to get out of that and come up with a winning strategy.
    I can understand your complaints or problems with how the game was going if the board state came to that if both were playing from the beginning but they weren't.

    • @calvincarson8301
      @calvincarson8301 8 місяців тому +15

      sure but even then, Sakayanagi's winning move was BxN which would force checkmate no matter what. even if you make the argument that Ayanokoji's moves were rigged and that him blundering checkmate with the QxR move and that doesn't show his skill is true, it shows that Sakayanagi isn't that good since she missed forced mate

    • @rats0155
      @rats0155 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@calvincarson8301I guess you can sac the Queen on e4 to then play f3 After Bxe4 but yes white can resign after Bxf3

    • @calvincarson8301
      @calvincarson8301 8 місяців тому

      @@rats0155 after BxNf3, even if white plays Qe4, black just plays Qxg2#

    • @racool911
      @racool911 8 місяців тому +1

      @@calvincarson8301 To be fair, they never really said Sakayanagi was a top tier chess player, she probably overestimated herself, or just wanted to play against ayanakoji anyway

    • @NevarKanzaki
      @NevarKanzaki 8 місяців тому

      @@rats0155 Qxe4. If gxf3, Rg6+, Kh1, Qxf3#. If g3, nothing can stop the queen from going to g4 to h3 to g2. White can throw in a check if they want but it won't do anything. If white plays anything else, the most resistance being playing Rfe1. Black can play Be2, swing the rook over to g6, and mate is coming on g2 in some fashion. If white throws f3 in there, the queen will just shuffle to e3 then f2 before mating on g2. It isn't worth going over the variations but mate is still forced in relatively short order.
      The cleaner way to go is not to play Bxf3 but to leave the pin as is and play Rg6 to begin with. If g3, then Qxf3 and Qg2#. If Ne1, Bxg2. If Nxg2, Qxg2#. If basically anything else, the bishop moves back on any square on the long diagonal which forces Ng2, Qxg2#.
      So yeah, Ayanokoji was a piece up then blundered away to get to this position. Then Sakayanagi proceeds to ignore two different forced wins that are simpler to see and use the same basic idea that she's trying to use. Even worse, she does it in such a way that narrows the opponent's options so much that as long as the opponent knows enough to see the mating pattern, they're left with all of 2 moves to consider, one of them being Qg5 and the other being Qe8+ which results in black having a winning position (active Q and R vs B and a pair of inactive rooks) but not a forced win. So I don't really take serious issue with how the game was going before even if I do think the moves were a bit poor. If anything, the others who were playing before played better than the captains who both almost immediately blundered the game back and forth in obvious ways. When a "good" player joins, you don't expect god tier brilliancy moves right off the bat right after hopping into the middle of a game because there's been no setup. Rather, you'd expect good moves which improve the position and get working on a plan. Both of them had plans, absolutely garbage ones that threw away the game almost immediately.
      So this is the actual record upon him hopping in. Ayanokoji never centralizes his rooks, instead messing around with his knights which were in plenty fine position already. Sakayanagi opens the position which is fine but then blunders a piece in short order. Ayanokoji ends up a solid piece but instead of defending, he trades off his most active piece and lands himself in this position where he's thrown the game. Sakayanagi overlooks two forced mates and throws the win. Ayanokoji finds a rather pretty rebuttal, albeit one that he's almost forced to find by the position offering so few candidate options. So I'd say that they were both putting out one unmitigated disaster after another. The actual play is probably about 800-900 which commonly has the traits of "has some good ideas but makes a lot of errors and has a tendency to tunnel vision which results in overlooking basic principles". Maybe even a little less given the leadup to it. I'd say the other students played better than they did and not by a small margin. At least they didn't blunder ever other move.

  • @rXunwuteamwork
    @rXunwuteamwork 7 місяців тому +2

    I mean in code geass they sacrificed king.

  • @mirchiiii
    @mirchiiii 8 місяців тому +102

    the match was changed in the anime from the ln i think cause in the ln the ln the opening was e4 and e5 ... so i think in anime version they just animated a real match from some website

    • @iThqralt
      @iThqralt 8 місяців тому +3

      Maybe they should've taken one of my games.

    • @Темирлан-и9ш
      @Темирлан-и9ш 8 місяців тому +7

      The reality is that your perfect human is not so perfect.

    • @guilhermemateus5263
      @guilhermemateus5263 8 місяців тому

      @@Темирлан-и9ш are u dumb? its a fictional character

    • @randominternetuser7431
      @randominternetuser7431 8 місяців тому +21

      @@Темирлан-и9ш the reality is that the anime butchered the chess scene

    • @Темирлан-и9ш
      @Темирлан-и9ш 8 місяців тому +2

      @@randominternetuser7431 The anime died before the chess scene appeared

  • @coatares3716
    @coatares3716 8 місяців тому +15

    Ever since the scene got released I've been searching for one that fully explains whats happening. Thank goodness you appeared on my recommendations

  • @kiptop3418
    @kiptop3418 8 місяців тому +257

    Ayanokoji is not a Chess Genius, he is a Human stockfish 🦖

    • @KentarouML
      @KentarouML 8 місяців тому +12

      Qxe7, but with Bxf3 instead of Qxf3 ayonokoji will lose

    • @santoshkumar-cr6gi
      @santoshkumar-cr6gi 8 місяців тому +23

      You're exaggerating. Like that's a huge exaggeration.

    • @vyrenizauxus7538
      @vyrenizauxus7538 8 місяців тому +8

      Dude literally beat a supercomputer on a speed chess and he's only 9 yrs old that time

    • @KentarouML
      @KentarouML 8 місяців тому +23

      @@vyrenizauxus7538 then blundered in this game like a 1500 elo

    • @AlmasarLakkian
      @AlmasarLakkian 8 місяців тому +3

      ​@@KentarouML He intentionally blundered it, rewatch the episode

  • @Nagitudo
    @Nagitudo 8 місяців тому +137

    Ayanokoji and Sakayanagi are not really meant to be even close to Magnus. All that they are are prodigies, not necessarily enough to beat Magnus. The WR used chess to teach/scale their intelligence and thinking abilities, but not to make them reach Magnus level of skill in CHESS. Only improve their abilities outside chess, using chess. It doesn't mean Ayanokoji is gonna be really high GM level or something. Magnus would absolutely destroy Ayanokoji even with narrative/statements.

    • @aizenuchiha4998
      @aizenuchiha4998 8 місяців тому +69

      That is not correct Ayanokoji in the LN beat a super computer funded by the government in a chess match this same computer can think 20,000,000 times in a single second that would mean Ayanokoji's actual rating would be over 3600 but some people can't write chess games properly so this was just a statement so we have to base how good Ayanokoji is at chess off that

    • @-victim.
      @-victim. 8 місяців тому +16

      ​@@aizenuchiha4998a valid point but still invalid in terms of fictional and real life scenarios.

    • @aizenuchiha4998
      @aizenuchiha4998 8 місяців тому +11

      @@-victim. Well we are literally comparing a fictional characters to a Grandmaster

    • @-victim.
      @-victim. 8 місяців тому

      @@aizenuchiha4998 yeah i agree 👍🏻💯

    • @Svetevev
      @Svetevev 8 місяців тому +18

      @@aizenuchiha4998 , that's just ridiculous given what stockfish is lol... Author apparently doesn't know anything bout chess bots or he straight up wanted to create fantasy mc from some isekai

  • @blank_kami3618
    @blank_kami3618 7 місяців тому +3

    Remember, they took over part way through. These 2 ratings cannot be judged after taking over the game of 2 ametures. They adjusted to what they were dealt as the positionings were likely not their ideal.

  • @cafecat-iy8vv
    @cafecat-iy8vv 8 місяців тому +2

    I found it interesting this most recent video of yours became the most viewed in your channel.

  • @FlexMcCool
    @FlexMcCool 7 місяців тому +7

    If I'm not mistaken, the vast majority of this match was played by other students. They could only send suggestions to them for a price and Ayakokoji chimed in much later than his opponent did which was a tad odd. In hindsight he was probably aware of the possibility that the match was rigged.
    I don't think he was ever really playing a game against class A, but rather setting a lure to the admins to see if all this was all futile.
    He immediately caught it and just quit then and there as there was no hope of any of this working if he wasn't in control, plus he had already achieved his true objective.
    This makes sense because Ayanokoji does often sacrifice one objective to secretly achieve another which almost nobody else would dare do or suspect anyone of doing (pawn sacrifice variant IRL?).
    Also, Sakayanagi maybe was a bit of a disappointment if you were expecting her to have closed the gap between them more, however it's fine. I'd expect nothing less from her realistically speaking. She got further that I would have.

  • @NotDanch
    @NotDanch 4 місяці тому

    Very interesting. Thank you for sharing because I was curious myself

  • @itsadrianntk
    @itsadrianntk 7 місяців тому +8

    Also you have to understand that they weren’t playing chess at the start of the match so they both needed to make improvements and adapt to the game to save themselves. Also it was a 60min game and they got involved around the 30min mark.

    • @shubhamgamer5213
      @shubhamgamer5213 3 місяці тому

      Nothing really matters that much cindering the facts both got same meterial left for themselves it's like 2 amature was playing Frist then 1 master and 1 GM started playing aginst each which not a big deal

  • @emanuelezizza
    @emanuelezizza 8 місяців тому +159

    I'm barely 700 but I was screaming when I saw this, If I (after more than 3 minutes tbh) understood that Qg5 was the best move because of the pawn there's no way that a chess genius shouldn't see it

    • @Renard-ks6hj
      @Renard-ks6hj 8 місяців тому +8

      Possibly to let more viewers understand the match

    • @Lecultedumicro-ondes
      @Lecultedumicro-ondes 8 місяців тому +12

      You probably found this because you expected a brillant move. There is no way a 700 rated player find this move in a match (unless you're not 700 elo).

    • @emanuelezizza
      @emanuelezizza 8 місяців тому +5

      @@Lecultedumicro-ondes people usually says that I'm good at founding great moves but I'm very slow, so most of the games I'm rushing because I'm short on time

    • @asherahmed8165
      @asherahmed8165 8 місяців тому +6

      @@Lecultedumicro-ondes This is true. I am less than 600elo and I can find the sacrifice moves in puzzles. But in a match, I would not be able to do it.

    • @AkramMeridja-eu1vx
      @AkramMeridja-eu1vx 8 місяців тому +1

      ​​@@Lecultedumicro-ondesyeah actually i am 850 elo and i only found like 4 brilliants, best accuracy rate is 91-92 and it was me with pride boost bc i was playing with my friend who is my rivale 💀💀 if i play like that every game i would be like 1100 or 1200 at least but yeah i am playing chess just for fun i mean somtimes i start trolling in the mid game and doing random sacrifices and yeah one of them was a brilliant and i literally found it 😂😂😂
      BTW my friend elo is 1200 but he was half sleeping and our score is 32/9 😭😭😭

  • @lucasamorim6457
    @lucasamorim6457 6 місяців тому +2

    This was anime direction invention. The game was never showed in the novel (original). Its just explained later that was a simple pawn move that decided the match (which was altered by the staff). They sit few days later and he shows her what was the real move he wanted to do.

  • @xledifx8752
    @xledifx8752 8 місяців тому +24

    Great analysis! The match was changed in the anime from the "original story". Some people said it was better match the original one, you should do a analysis of that one too

    • @MiraS24
      @MiraS24 8 місяців тому +6

      Can't, there's only 2 moves noted in the novel
      E4 and E5 plus a knight move but that wasn't noted

    • @ersakusuma7865
      @ersakusuma7865 8 місяців тому +3

      wait are you talking about, the novel didnt cover everything

  • @UxhatUs
    @UxhatUs 8 місяців тому +2

    The endgame was genius its the exact opposite from the middle and opening

  • @oscarchen6081
    @oscarchen6081 8 місяців тому +60

    The guy in the end said Ayanokoji would have won. When sakajanagi played her queen sac, Ayano had around 1 minute left. So I believe Ayanos rating must be pretty high to find that move in a time to makeit still winnable

    • @ashithink
      @ashithink 8 місяців тому +21

      He defeated a super computer or stockfish if you prefer but it wasn’t shown in the anime but it was stated in the novel and there’s a document based on that feat or the statement

    • @m3k569
      @m3k569 8 місяців тому +28

      ​@@ashithink the only thing he did was FINDING that move before stockfish, something that happens IRL sometimes when GMs play. He never defeated stockfish and that document is bs.

    • @gamershub992
      @gamershub992 8 місяців тому +9

      @@m3k569 That only shows that koji was faster than stockfish and why are you highlighting finding?
      What's your point?

    • @mr.death7267
      @mr.death7267 8 місяців тому +16

      @@gamershub992 nope stockfish can find mate in 10+ in seconds. Ayanokoji doesn't hold a candle against stockfish.

    • @mr.death7267
      @mr.death7267 8 місяців тому +11

      @@gamershub992 ​ Also the skill level of Sakayanagi is very inconsistent. The guys who were behind making this game clearly didn't know anything about chess. Like Sakayanagi was flabbergasted when Ayanokoji took a piece which resulted in a check, but was able to find a way to sacrifice her queen. When her queen was taken, she said that no ordinary person could achieve that move, although 99% of the population would play that move. In other words, stop overrating COTE!

  • @Ka_ede77
    @Ka_ede77 2 місяці тому

    Underrated youtuber, chess player. While watching this video as an Not reall good chess-player, ive still understand much thanks to you showing us what they did right, wrong. Probs😮‍💨

  • @Jei3am
    @Jei3am 8 місяців тому +5

    Love that she find losing Qxf3 instead of winning Bxf3 that was putting White in completly losing position

    • @shaun2686
      @shaun2686 2 місяці тому

      how? if Bxf3 then White takes Queen and h3 after that and his fine and black is losing.

    • @Jei3am
      @Jei3am 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@shaun2686 I dont know what are you Talking about Bxf3 is top engine move that makes white lose no matter what and Qxf3 is making white win this game

    • @DanielRodriguez-hj5nh
      @DanielRodriguez-hj5nh 2 місяці тому +1

      YES! you mean the Bishop getting the Horse, i recreated the game as well and seems no matter how White loses even getting check on the King, Black Queen still moves on a winning position, Genious on you and not on the supposed lab genious Sakayanagi supposed to be LOL.

    • @DanielRodriguez-hj5nh
      @DanielRodriguez-hj5nh 2 місяці тому

      @Jei3am Also, even if the move was the right choice, the game had almost 2min or less showing Horikita with more pieces in points, just to make then Sakayanagi a check mate.

  • @wham_sandwitch
    @wham_sandwitch 8 місяців тому +3

    i read the ln
    basically, there was only one defensive resource in the situation, and kiyo entered that into the computer, but tsukishiro and his several teams of cronies calculated tirelessly to find a move that looked like it wasn't immediately losing but had presumably even longer follow-up before the eventual loss
    the anime, imo, had a very hard time with figuring out how to show this off especially with the game that was already planned out(?), but i only watch the dub... so idk yet

    • @wham_sandwitch
      @wham_sandwitch 8 місяців тому

      ​@technoeye6142 they don't have to necessarily be better than engines, alice is merely a natural-born genius, and a sort of chess prodigy by portrayal; something i am intimately familiar with; one would expect her to be 2300-2400 fide, if not a little higher
      although, one could suppose kiyo would be quite a bit stronger still. I believe it was once mentioned that kiyo surpassed all the masters that came to challenge him, so perhaps it has implications about kiyo in relation to something or other

  • @slayastroclips5262
    @slayastroclips5262 8 місяців тому +7

    i definitely agree with him (I'm 1300 elo rated player in irl)

  • @goodname6600
    @goodname6600 8 місяців тому +1

    I rlly liked the video and i agree with what you say, but it is also worth to keep in mind, specially after the last episode came out, that Ayanakoji never rlly tried, he's always at 70-80% of his true ability or even less, so in my opinion it would be such an Ayanokoji move to just play at Sakayanagi's level but slightly higher to unsure a win without standing out or smth like that. Plus, idk much about chess, but if Ayanakoji was higher than 2000 rating all the way through the whole match i would find it hard that he wouldnt just be absolutely destroying her and not even letting her be in the position she was.

  • @sw3562
    @sw3562 8 місяців тому +18

    Qxg5 sure its good but black should have taken the f3 knight with the c6 bishop and then is completely losing for white.

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  8 місяців тому +8

      Haven't thought about it, but if true,, Sakayanagi was done dirty with that move frrr

    • @near6291
      @near6291 8 місяців тому

      Pawn to G3 will prevent the mate

    • @mustaphad1319
      @mustaphad1319 8 місяців тому

      Qh3 would be lethal

    • @Shinramenpro45
      @Shinramenpro45 8 місяців тому

      Qh3 and white has nothing to defend​@@near6291

    • @fareshegazy408
      @fareshegazy408 8 місяців тому

      No actually,
      Qe8 Ayano
      Kh7 sakayanagi
      g3 Ayano
      Qh3 sakayanagi
      Qe4 Ayano
      Bxe4 sakayanagi
      f3 Ayano
      And the game goes

  • @abdulnafay2486
    @abdulnafay2486 9 днів тому +1

    Ayanokoji: "No one can beat when I am being serious".
    Meanwhile Bobby, Mikhail, Magnus, Hikaru, Garry, Alireza, Gukesh, Nepo, Prag, Raport, Boris Spassky, Hans Nieman, and even Levy: "R u serious bruv."

  • @richardemanuel3231
    @richardemanuel3231 8 місяців тому +6

    The question is what will ayanokoji do if instead of Qf3, Sakayanagy plays Bf3, it is a completely lost position for white.

    • @Abirup-z5q
      @Abirup-z5q 8 місяців тому

      white has an extra rook so that wouldn't matter. Also the position is completely winning for white after g3.

    • @kshitiz6376
      @kshitiz6376 8 місяців тому +1

      @@Abirup-z5q Bxf3 forces checkmate. Hate to admit it, but these punks are right for once.

    • @ahornypotato5397
      @ahornypotato5397 8 місяців тому

      ​@@kshitiz6376wym by these punks?

    • @richardemanuel3231
      @richardemanuel3231 8 місяців тому +1

      @@Abirup-z5q you have to sacrifice the queen to avoid checkmate, try using Stockfish in this position.

    • @Lecultedumicro-ondes
      @Lecultedumicro-ondes 7 місяців тому

      I know chess isn't for everyone but knowing that a queen is worth way more than a single rook isn't supposed to be hard to understand...

  • @daltonbooth2738
    @daltonbooth2738 6 місяців тому +1

    2 things, 1. 2 amateurs were playing first for a while, and 2. in the ln I believe that they were taking like 5 seconds at most in between turns, they were essentially playing blitz against each other during their part and then ayanokoji got screwed over by the dude

  • @MacElMasMancoDeTodos
    @MacElMasMancoDeTodos 6 місяців тому +3

    I'm a 900, I will never see these moves neither I knew about this anime at all. Im just here cause of the thumbnail

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  6 місяців тому

      was it the thighs? my friend literally said "bro it's the thighs" smh

    • @MacElMasMancoDeTodos
      @MacElMasMancoDeTodos 6 місяців тому

      @@Rane501 yes🗿👌

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  6 місяців тому

      @@MacElMasMancoDeTodos hiyahhhhh😂😂

  • @anime_enjoyer5507
    @anime_enjoyer5507 8 місяців тому +1

    in the light novels, the chess match is vaguely describe, thats why im surprise that they show it on the anime because im pretty sure that it'll be analyze by the professionals to see their real level.. they probably just find this play on some chess match in some way, and patch it on the anime..

  • @sourangshu7731
    @sourangshu7731 8 місяців тому +11

    Actually in Light Novel the chess game is not shown except the opening moves so they have to create a chess game all by themselves. I don't think they had the budget to bring a professional chess player just to create a 5 min scene so they did what they knew ig

    • @thatonenoob7854
      @thatonenoob7854 8 місяців тому +4

      They do. All they had to do was simulate a game between chess bots. It's free. Stockfish is free

    • @ackermandz8485
      @ackermandz8485 8 місяців тому

      @@thatonenoob7854 but the opening has to be shit can they change the level in the middle of the game?

    • @Kerinsp
      @Kerinsp 8 місяців тому

      @@thatonenoob7854 they dint use chess bot.If they use the battle will be fire🔥🔥

    • @Thewingsoffreedom.
      @Thewingsoffreedom. 7 місяців тому +1

      @@ackermandz8485 I believe you can simulate a crappy game yourself first and then let stockfish/bot play midway.

    • @electroninja7419
      @electroninja7419 6 місяців тому

      @@ackermandz8485stock fish can adjust elo.

  • @electroelysium2281
    @electroelysium2281 5 місяців тому +1

    If I was the writer, I would've used that Stockfish VS Google AI match and replicated it move by move in the anime.

    • @Yash7031_
      @Yash7031_ 2 місяці тому

      Wrong. Horikita and Hashimoto were playing in the first part of the match, Ayanokoji and Arisu only played the second part.

  • @backdoorguy1
    @backdoorguy1 8 місяців тому +7

    Glad someone said this, I have seen so many people claiming her to be 2400 or at least an im level

    • @jivraj2110
      @jivraj2110 8 місяців тому +10

      The anime butchered the chess game. It was supposed to be two GM against each other and against several operators and a supercomputer at the same time.

  • @jrn913
    @jrn913 7 місяців тому +1

    (it's probably just a fun easy puzzle for the kids watching the cartoon to solve)

  • @jhakquezyx
    @jhakquezyx 8 місяців тому +10

    When I look at their starting position I was just screaming take the queen its free no traps and not protected. It is just me or Am I just missing something here? 0:07

    • @AlendrucasPalma
      @AlendrucasPalma 3 місяці тому +2

      I dont really remember that much that episode but maybe whites wanted to change queens.

    • @karmaackerman6674
      @karmaackerman6674 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@AlendrucasPalmahow you change queen i your queen isn't protected???

    • @KaranKumar-u2q8m
      @KaranKumar-u2q8m 3 місяці тому

      0:20 ​@@karmaackerman6674
      I think he placed the queen wrong

    • @TomPoster-y5z
      @TomPoster-y5z 3 місяці тому

      Quen E3 is just a Better move

    • @shaun2686
      @shaun2686 2 місяці тому

      The game isn't about taking pieces, but finding checkmate, but I think taking the queen would've been better here.

  • @Truthful653
    @Truthful653 8 місяців тому +1

    Great video, Everyone saying that he is 3000+ rated when he most likely isn't trained for that level is crazy. Pretty accurate elo for a person who is a literal genius and hasn't played chess for a long time or haven't prepared for the high level.

  • @dokkino7105
    @dokkino7105 8 місяців тому +16

    Remembering that in the LN it took 20 GM + Supercomputers to hinder Ayanokoji moves so he can't come back with a win con, let that sink in...
    The anime did them so dirty, they were supposed to have like 2800 Elo for Sakayanagi and 3000 Elo (difficult to estimate) for Ayanokoji, but instead we got a 1400-1500 Elo match if we're generous

    • @zerozedzaki
      @zerozedzaki 8 місяців тому +5

      That makes no sense. Im no where near gm level, only 2100, but good god man if I could replace even a single move from a stockfish game, i could make it lose almost instantly.

    • @leobiju3787
      @leobiju3787 8 місяців тому +1

      But that's not what Tsukishiro did. The LN explained that the move he changed to wasn't the worst move or anything like that, it was a reasonable move that opened up the opportunity for Sakayanagi tocheckmate

    • @RoyTagliaferro-k2r
      @RoyTagliaferro-k2r 8 місяців тому +1

      That's an over exaggeration

    • @leobiju3787
      @leobiju3787 8 місяців тому

      @@RoyTagliaferro-k2r what is exaggerated?

    • @RoyTagliaferro-k2r
      @RoyTagliaferro-k2r 8 місяців тому +2

      @@leobiju3787 It was never said that it is 20 grandmasters lol. The original statement is "chess professionals" which is a general term for those who has high ratings+has chess as their number one career.

  • @YGhost_05
    @YGhost_05 2 місяці тому +1

    It's like when a hacker types fast on the keyboard

  • @painofanime3321
    @painofanime3321 8 місяців тому +7

    The manga one has a danish gambit and he was fire

    • @gojoteosatoru5606
      @gojoteosatoru5606 8 місяців тому

      Which chapter

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  8 місяців тому +1

      I gotta read the manga, I love the danish gambit wth

    • @Nagitudo
      @Nagitudo 8 місяців тому

      you should read the light novel. It's the actual source material of the anime, and only the second year of the manga is actually good. The ligh novel is amazing@@Rane501

    • @hater5740
      @hater5740 8 місяців тому +1

      Danish gambit? I used to play that when I was 800

    • @Nagitudo
      @Nagitudo 8 місяців тому +2

      @@Rane501 read the Light Novel, not the manga

  • @minhouc4120
    @minhouc4120 7 місяців тому +1

    Bruh…it’s both amusing and traumatizing seeing weebs defending a 500 elo player, also stockfish currently has 16 depth levels and your main character probably beat stockfish 1 which is about 850 elo

  • @hchandu3366
    @hchandu3366 8 місяців тому +4

    Exactly relatable!😄 animator
    Don't know about chess
    In case of
    COTE - BEGINNER LEVEL
    Code geas - the first time human playing chess.
    No disrespect to any animator but,
    In codegeas
    1. luluech opppent miss one move checkmate.
    2.king in front of king.
    😂like wtf. I'm being average chess player just reading the board make me laugh 😂. And more over In yt there are videos like
    How to play chess like Ayanokoji / luluech.
    ====================
    Really enjoyed the whole video bro.🎉

    • @Watashi-Wa-Kat-Desu
      @Watashi-Wa-Kat-Desu 2 місяці тому

      Your comment is so cringe ong. Like tf you mean “animator”? There are 1000s of people working over the anime my guy, this just goes to show that you have no knowledge of anime or be it any show production at all. Also it’s actually hilarious people saying “oH iM bEttEr tHAn AyANoKoji” like what? They’re just drawings my guy, NO ONE CARES

  • @rileycudney3455
    @rileycudney3455 8 місяців тому +2

    I’m at 1900 level but honestly I’ve seen 1800-2000 rated players to do much worse stuff I had a FM just blunder a knight move 12 against me and resigned I think the last position is a brilliant puzzle find it’s also cool to see that Qd8+ also wins cause you could go to g5 after and threatening the same thing but great video though

    • @danieldestinocrafteroyt4605
      @danieldestinocrafteroyt4605 8 місяців тому

      I think that the author of the video is overestimating his own chess skills. As you say I doubt that even in a Classical game an FM would easily play that Qg4 instead of taking the queen.

    • @lugenbold
      @lugenbold 7 місяців тому

      ​@@danieldestinocrafteroyt4605 no one above 800 would take the queen in a classical game its an obvious forced mate in 3 and finding Qg4 is not as Hard because there is no other way to reasonable prevent the checkmate in on g2

  • @rath_I0
    @rath_I0 8 місяців тому +3

    3:49 there is no players rated 3000 in the classical chess match

    • @sanhakim1335
      @sanhakim1335 8 місяців тому +1

      As a 1400, I could probably win that position more times than not against a 5000000 rated supercomputer playing literal perfect moves. There's just not much black can do in an endgame down a rook

    • @Watashi-Wa-Kat-Desu
      @Watashi-Wa-Kat-Desu 2 місяці тому +1

      @@sanhakim1335I believe a 1400 shouldn’t boast all that considering your low ass elo. Also that position is clearly winnable even with a rook down, especially if you’re talking about a 50000 rated computer. If 2 equals were to play, then white wins easy (unless blunder). But you vs supercomputer is just bullshit. The computer clears

    • @sanhakim1335
      @sanhakim1335 2 місяці тому

      @@Watashi-Wa-Kat-Desu You're dumb on 3 levels.
      Level 1. I wasn't boasting about my elo, I was saying that even with my middling elo, it's unlikely to lose this position as white unless white blunders massively. Your reading comprehension is horrid.
      Level 2. I acknowledged that I probably wouldn't win all games against a supercomputer. I never said this position was unwinnable, I said I would win it more times than not. Again, your reading comprehension is horrid.
      Level 3. This position is massively losing as black, and there's not much anyone or anything can do as black vs a lower intermediate level player who even has a general idea of how to close out an endgame up a rook. No matter how good anything is, there's just a set limit on the number of possible moves that can be played in this position, and all of them are losing unless white blunders. For example, I can 100% draw every single game of tic-tac-toe against an omniscient god. There's just nothing within the rules of the game that lets god beat me in tic-tac-toe because no matter how smart they are, there's no winning moves. Your logical reasoning is horrid.

    • @Insignia-bv6gj
      @Insignia-bv6gj Місяць тому

      ​@@sanhakim1335Bxf3 is forced win by black

  • @RajPraveen1312
    @RajPraveen1312 8 місяців тому +1

    There is another context to the game too, that most of the early game was played by the Ayano and Sakayanagi's classmates whom they taught before. It wasnt played by them from the start. They had to play with the positions their students had left in the game. So, there's that variable in the equation too. But still, i am no expert and dont know how much do positions change a person's play in a game.😅

  • @RedTheLegend9
    @RedTheLegend9 7 місяців тому +4

    Didnt 2 other people play out the game before they took over??? Then from that position the captains handled the rest? It would be possible to believe they are higher but played with the hand they were dealt

    • @alecalb2749
      @alecalb2749 7 місяців тому

      yeah

    • @siema14123
      @siema14123 6 місяців тому

      Sakayanagi was completely winning but made a blunder at the end. The queen sacrifice near the end that shocked everyone was actually a move that made her from completely winning to completely losing assuming ayano found the queen sacrifice

  • @zepredalux2159
    @zepredalux2159 7 місяців тому +1

    The moves weren't shown in the light novel. It was just stated as a very intense chess game where when ayanokoji was ahead, the guy had to change his moves into bad ones. It's the animation studio who had to show the match because it was filled mostly of inner monologue, so they tried to improvise i guess

  • @HenryReisP
    @HenryReisP 8 місяців тому +9

    1:00 here bishop takes f3 and the white loses right?

    • @pavelmatusu4457
      @pavelmatusu4457 8 місяців тому +1

      I think white can just go g3 and be completely fine (not really you will still lose ur queen)

    • @HenryReisP
      @HenryReisP 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@pavelmatusu4457queen goes h3 and next move is check mate, no?

    • @pavelmatusu4457
      @pavelmatusu4457 8 місяців тому

      Not necessarily but you will lose your queen

    • @HenryReisP
      @HenryReisP 8 місяців тому

      ​@@pavelmatusu4457how??

    • @AdrianNightt
      @AdrianNightt 8 місяців тому

      yep

  • @needledealer9971
    @needledealer9971 2 місяці тому +1

    It's so funny to me how Horikita and Hashimoto made less Blunders than Ayano and Arisu
    What they should have done is have some randos play, then have Stockfish vs a weaker bot play

  • @JJ-gb5j
    @JJ-gb5j 8 місяців тому +4

    (i'm new to chess here, so don't judge if if i'm wrong) at 0:24 can't sakayanagi move bishop f3? the pawn can't take back cuz it's pinned and its mate in 1

    • @Boris_Dyadyora
      @Boris_Dyadyora 8 місяців тому +3

      Yes, she can, and this would be a winning move

    • @JJ-gb5j
      @JJ-gb5j 8 місяців тому

      so why didn't she do it? i thought she is a genius@@Boris_Dyadyora

    • @Boris_Dyadyora
      @Boris_Dyadyora 8 місяців тому +2

      @@JJ-gb5j To be honest, because the authors screwed up

    • @Boris_Dyadyora
      @Boris_Dyadyora 8 місяців тому

      @@JJ-gb5j Оn my channel I also uploaded a video about this chess game, where I analyzed more than 23 of its moves. The bad news is that the video is in Russian

    • @JJ-gb5j
      @JJ-gb5j 8 місяців тому

      ig so🤣@@Boris_Dyadyora

  • @vedantgoswami5788
    @vedantgoswami5788 8 місяців тому +2

    You forgot that the openings and the first part of the middle game was being played by horkita and hashimoto so of course it would look like some 1600 are playing. Cause they provided thebopening position. If they both played it from the start i think the difference could have been noticed.

    • @thatoneguy871
      @thatoneguy871 8 місяців тому

      Do u play chess ? Idk why but u don't seem like u have played much. It doesn't matter whether the opening was played by them, the move in question was not high level and that move was played by them .

    • @stelixhyx808
      @stelixhyx808 8 місяців тому +1

      no one takes the knight with the queen instead of the bishop bro. It's beyond absurd

  • @joymongamer6113
    @joymongamer6113 8 місяців тому +3

    I knew this was mid , but what the hell was the opening , tell us about that too

  • @Aym-Sky
    @Aym-Sky 7 місяців тому

    in fact, the match was played between Masayoshi Hashimoto and Suzune Horikita, but Ayanokoji (Horikita's helper in the match) and Sakayanagi (Hashimoto's helper in the match) were the captains for the "final test"

  • @simonenoli4418
    @simonenoli4418 8 місяців тому +6

    This game was a shitshow.
    im not watching your analisys but im glad there is one outlet to vent.
    Ayanokoji opened with a fking Nimzolarser attack that basically sacks the center control to play for counter then at move 3 decides to go e3 and i was like "wtf is this"
    then it jumped to several moves later and its shown the white bishop being in Bb5 which is IMPOSSIBLE to achieve with a Nimzolarsen opening where you play 3. e3 (you literally are closing the door on that bishop until past midgame.
    then towards the end Ajanokoji does 2 stupid moves in a row and hands a +5!!!!! advantage to Sakajanagi the BLUNDERS the fk out with QxNf3??
    like are we supposed to think these people are genious?
    there are SO MANY Fisher games that they could have pulled out from any database that would fit the narrative but they HAD to make this mess of a game
    The move change was irrelevant tbh, yes it handed the victory to sakajanagi but honestly if they she didnt blunder she'd be winning ANYWAYS.
    crazy

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  8 місяців тому +1

      lmaoooooo real chess fanatics KNOW

    • @jj3472
      @jj3472 8 місяців тому +3

      subpar response coming from such a chess fanatic, makes me think youre just saying this for your ego/chess sake and you havent really done your homework lol. youll have to understand that it wasnt ayanokoji who opened with the Nimzolaser attack, it was horikita, the girl who was set to fight another student from another class, ayanokoji and Sakayanagi were set as leaders to tap in if the students they selected to fight were having trouble, thats why its their match, ayanokoji and Sakayanagi only played some mid-end game and even then he didnt go all out, but besides how the story is played out, you also have to realize that this is all taken from a light-novel, which this exact scene was written in 2018, I'm not sure about you but i dont think that this writer is on level with Magnus Carlsen to be able to write a chess game of such level. he would have to use stockfish or something but that also wouldnt work well due to writings sake. the chess game they actually played didnt really matter for it to deliver the message the writer wanted to deliver. so to analyze this chess match from a hardcore chess perspective then youre missing the point. TL;DR you missed the point blud and your response basically means nothing and is subpar to what it meant in the actual anime. and you got your information wrong ;)

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  8 місяців тому

      @@jj3472 you're totally right

    • @simonenoli4418
      @simonenoli4418 8 місяців тому +2

      @@jj3472 You absolutely make no sense whatsoever
      Horikita explicity tells us she was coached by Ajanokoji.
      do you think for a second that she can forget a chess opening 3 moves in? THREE. MOVES. IN?
      Nimzo larsen attack is
      1. b3
      2. Bb2
      3. Nf3
      4. d3 (depends on variations, d3 being the classical one that i suppose Ayanokoji taught her)
      NOWHERE in any variation is e3 a move. Horikita shouldnt even consider that! Why? because e3 walls the other bishop in, forever and prevents you from castling.
      they RECOGNIZE THAT midgame and INSTEAD of fixing the animation (fair enough) they presented us with another board state a few seconds after
      (horikita and the guy are still in control)
      in which the bishop that was supposedly buried in the wall pawn (that you can clearly see!) is in b5 which is IMPOSSIBLE to achieve!
      not unless the other guy turns around for a second and Horikita fking cheats!
      and yes i know that the author isnt magnus carlsen or bobby fisher or Mikail Tal or fking GOD of Chess.
      but DATABASES EXIST!!! you can literally PULL OUT A FAMOUS GAME and TRACE THE MOVES!! you DONT EVEN NEED to pull out shit from thin air!!
      and more to that. before Sakajanagi bluders her queen like a 1500elo shmuck who thinks they good cause they saw a mate in 2 that DOESNT WORK
      Ajanokoji that WAS IN CHARGE AT THE TIME. BLUNDERS by playing QxR!!!
      man just go to an analisys board and see that with optimal play from sakajanagi after QxR?? Ajanokoji is DEAD LOST!!
      QxR? BxNf3!
      g3 Qh3
      Qe8+ Kh7
      Qe4 BxQ
      f3 [...]
      and Sakajanagi has a Q for a R with an attack still mounting. She's winning completely.
      but she Blunders and plays QxNf3?? handing the advantage to Ajanokoji with Qg5!! to get the advantage.
      mind me. Qg5 there is actually a great move. like, a really great move IF WE DIDNT CONSIDER THE DOUBLE BLUNDER THAT HAPPENED RIGHT BEFORE!!!!
      like cmon, and they REPEAT the game later on and she doesnt go "oh wow i lost cause im DUMB AS FK" but says "oh shit you win those"
      NO HE DONT WIN THOSE. you made him WIN!
      Just... cmon man.

    • @jj3472
      @jj3472 8 місяців тому +1

      @@Rane501 i wasnt trying to be mean btw, i really enjoyed YOUR video but i feel like some things should be clarified immediately. i personally really like classroom of the elite, having read the entirety of the light novel series, the manga and the anime adaptation. and as a chess fan i think respect should be paid where respect is due and the creativity and writing of this series i havent seen anywhere else. thats why i think it should be generally defended due to how hard it is to display a genius and his problem solving skills and methods while not being a genius yourself while also trying to make a series that instills dramatic, heart racing and tragic perception within someone. im talking about this more than about chess but i view this chess match as a very important part for the writer and the reader. some chess enjoyer would obviously do a lot to find the chess match of someone who is apparently "smarter" than Magnus Carlsen only to be met by the sad reality that the chess game wasnt allat lmao. in the writing perspective, the chess didnt matter as much as the message being delivered through writing. and in a chess perspective the idea of the writing being displayed to a chess audience should be more important and studied from a subjective and thorough way. EDIT: i forgot to mention my first response was meant to the guy who made the comment we are replying to rn btw

  • @VincentMolleno
    @VincentMolleno 8 місяців тому

    I've been waiting for this

  • @Ambattukam
    @Ambattukam 8 місяців тому +17

    Imagine being a genius and missing bxf3

    • @Shicva2029
      @Shicva2029 8 місяців тому

      There was an analysis about why Sakayanagi didnt move bxf3 and why Koji didnt countering it.

    • @DamonCaulfied
      @DamonCaulfied 8 місяців тому

      @@Shicva2029can you show me?

    • @Shicva2029
      @Shicva2029 8 місяців тому +1

      @@DamonCaulfied aight wait for me a bit, im at work rn

    • @mirchiiii
      @mirchiiii 8 місяців тому

      @@Shicva2029 im waiting too pls tag me when u send it

    • @Elys_Nikotene
      @Elys_Nikotene 8 місяців тому

      Then what could checkmate

  • @SouhaibDjenane
    @SouhaibDjenane 8 місяців тому +2

    Sakayanagi actually asked ayano why did he blunder that obvious move, and then that guy interfered. I really thought they would mess the chess part but they did it great.

  • @vickysunjaya3202
    @vickysunjaya3202 8 місяців тому +3

    hey, im sorry if you are offended from this. Just let it be bro, the author is trying the best for this story. Anyway it should also be common for supposedly genius character to play around with her words, especially in this context where they are not close buddy who'd love to express all their "clever" thought to oposition. Have you ever heard of sarcasm or rhetoric question 🙏

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  8 місяців тому

      Oh no, not offended at all, appreciate the perspective

  • @eiliatheclown1404
    @eiliatheclown1404 7 місяців тому +1

    this is 16000 rating in my opinion
    2800 is max for human beings
    meanwhile anime is made and developed by human

  • @Mendys27
    @Mendys27 8 місяців тому +3

    ayanokoji defeated the most advanced chess bot in the world which on one else has done

    • @skryndo6691
      @skryndo6691 8 місяців тому

      I mean, in fiction, you have character like Shiro beating a program that explored two hundred million possibilities a second. She won twenty times in a row, alternating who moved first just to demonstrate the imperfection of the program.

    • @DryLeo-ut9yy
      @DryLeo-ut9yy 8 місяців тому +1

      Ye and also the author says he can see 100 moves into the future, news flash bro its all fake. It's fiction, ayanokoji is seen as perfect in his own verse but when u include real life and other verses u have to take into consideration the level at which both are competing at. The best chess bot was probably 2000 elo or something at that time(remeber chess bots have evolved) cuz at one point the most advanced chess but was1200 then when it got beat they created better ones then even better then even better

  • @tourment2381
    @tourment2381 6 місяців тому +1

    In the anime (idk bout the manga) Ananokoji and Sakayanagi weren't playing most of the game, they just took the end of the game which is why it's depicted as "genius" because they took the position left to them by average or above average players and had to mold it into a winning game

  • @stephaniemarquez9661
    @stephaniemarquez9661 8 місяців тому +10

    3:02, wouldn't the pawn just take the queen?

    • @mr.nobody3702
      @mr.nobody3702 3 місяці тому

      Yeah I was just about to say that

    • @mr.nobody3702
      @mr.nobody3702 3 місяці тому

      Nvm, if black takes queen with pawn your queen gets taken by whites pawn basically a queen trade but white is winning

    • @shaun2686
      @shaun2686 2 місяці тому

      Did you watch the video? it blocks the mate and you both lose a queen.

    • @tinaqingfen
      @tinaqingfen 2 місяці тому

      Yall are 1iq, if you take the queen, queen takes king

    • @tinaqingfen
      @tinaqingfen 2 місяці тому

      Queen takes king lmao

  • @wallflower7016
    @wallflower7016 7 місяців тому +1

    you're wrong if you think 2800 grandmaster has never blundered a mate in 3, you need to watch more chess

    • @harishnetam502
      @harishnetam502 7 місяців тому

      not in a simple open position like this and with time on clock

  • @OGTwist
    @OGTwist 24 дні тому +1

    A lot of things that authors don't understand either, is that ayanokoji would never be able to beat magnus at chess even if he was somehow able to calculate best moves somewhat accurately, because people like magnus have memorized certain lines 50 moves down the board on certain openings, even if he existed in real life. He lacks the memorization and prearrangement that magnus knows to stand a chance, and regardless how many best moves ayanokoji would make, if magnus is in an advantageous position because he dominated in the opening, he can still play the top 5 best moves each turn and he would slam ayanokoji on his neck

  • @rumoaimo
    @rumoaimo 4 місяці тому +1

    In the LN they don't show the game this is only in the anime, but at least for people bellow that ratting it's still a really interesting position, consider chess not being a popular game in Japan if they made a high level game literally nobody would be able to understand it

  • @eddiesmundopr
    @eddiesmundopr 7 місяців тому

    awsome analysis

  • @davidmunar8453
    @davidmunar8453 8 місяців тому +1

    at least the position made sense, some animes they dont even show the position or even the moves dont make any sense xD

  • @6Monto
    @6Monto 8 місяців тому

    i didn't see all this deep detailed situation watching the anime, thanks for explaining the double queen sacs were amazing to me.

  • @cringestealer
    @cringestealer 8 місяців тому +1

    Idk much about you or your chess rating but giving Sakayanagi 1400 shows me that there is 3 options:
    1. You don't know what you are talking about
    2. You play chess online, but never played a classical game or
    3. You just forgot to consider the low time... I mean I could see a GM in time trouble play Qxf3 in that position, thinking it's game over for the opponent. While Bxf3 is clearly winning, Qxf3 looks like a game ending move and simply overlooking Qg5 in low time could have easily happened to a GM. A 1400 would never even consider Qxf3 as a possibility and it already takes a lot of understanding to play that move. On the other hand Ayanokoji simply blundered Bxf3 with his whole Nxe7+ and Qxe7 and you could say that Qg5 is a lucky resource he had. Everything considered it is the only defensive moves and spotting moves like that when you are forced to see them is often easier.
    You could basically say that Sakayanagi played at a higher or equal level to Ayanokoji, but both of them really aren't anywhere near 2000. You are giving way too much credit for the Qg5 move

  • @MaisChiot3340
    @MaisChiot3340 7 місяців тому +2

    Good video

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  7 місяців тому

      Thanx! Appreciate it fr

  • @dbzkings2626
    @dbzkings2626 7 місяців тому +1

    I could be wrong, but I believe the author wasn't trying to convey some kind of high-level game play. I believe he was using some kind of fore shadowing for the story. Like the Mate-to-Mate threat you explained could be some kind of event that happens in the future. The author might have looked up some kind of chess strategies and found this one. Again, I could be wrong.
    Edit: I also wanted to add that even in high level chess, cheating is common. So, the author could be alluding to the effects of cheating to win.

  • @holyelixir4580
    @holyelixir4580 2 місяці тому +1

    Ayanokoji is supposed to have beaten a Super computer and every Chess Grandmaster at age 11 lol.
    In defense of the anime tho I don't think the Light Novel goes particularly in depth in the moves of Chess. Just like "The Movie that Sakyanagi made was amazing"
    1 last thing to consider is they are also picking up where 2 chess Novices started from not a fresh start

  • @nimzu4859
    @nimzu4859 7 місяців тому +2

    I would say that Ayanokoji has higher elo at chess since he has beaten every master and a supercomputer at chess. Kasparov beat deep blue in 1997 if l recall correctly and Ayanokoji beat the supercomputer in the 2000s l would assume. I would say that Ayanokoji just toyed with Sagayanagi and wanted to see what she is capable of. Ayanokojis elo would be maybe 2600+ idk really but just my thoughts about the matter. What do you people think? Let me know if l got something wrong here.

  • @nupynups2002
    @nupynups2002 6 місяців тому +1

    Ngl that game looked like 800s playing

  • @Lohpezhoh
    @Lohpezhoh 7 місяців тому

    Maybe, and I'm putting a big IF, Sakayanagi thought Ayanokouji didn't have the time to calculate so Horikita moved herself (?) Idk. Either way thanks for the explanation!

  • @SamarthKoul-rx1vg
    @SamarthKoul-rx1vg 2 місяці тому +1

    I think he did that because he knew that due to time pressure she would instantly play the tempting queen sac could this be right ??

  • @fr0ntend
    @fr0ntend 7 місяців тому +1

    totally missed an opportunity to abuse stockfish for a "perfect" match

  • @matninet0
    @matninet0 8 місяців тому +1

    In the novel the director changed all of his moves

  • @anbunuz
    @anbunuz 7 місяців тому

    Finally someone said it. As a chess player myself I also noticed this mistakes that would happen around my level or even lower (my elo is 1400)

  • @-ZH
    @-ZH 8 місяців тому +1

    Hmm, normally, for “super geniuses” in anime like this, they would just steal all the moves of a super GM game that fit the story they needed.