Ayanokoji VS Sakayanagi Chess Match Analysis | Classroom of the Elite Season 3, Episode 11

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  • #classroomoftheelite This chess match was DECENT but I'm pretty sure the anime did both Ayanokoji and Sakayanagi dirty in comparison to the source material. Idk though, I'm ignorant.
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  • @Rane501
    @Rane501  3 місяці тому +465

    Edit* Common comments responses: All the moves shown in this video are made by Ayanokoji and Sakayanagi (y'all are passionate), chess is more about pattern recognition and memorization than intelligence, it's the last thing I say in the video but I say "Not a genius at chess" very specifically, I'm not judging the author, the episode was still amazing, yes it was a time scramble and you can't expect accurate moves even from geniuses, ratings vary depending on your daily mental condition even if you're generally rated higher, Sakayanagi and Ayanokoji take over from the mid game after the other two take like 45 minutes to make something like 16 moves, Sakayanagi had suspicions but didn't figure it out COMPLETELY on her own.
    Do NOT subscribe if you expect frequent anime related content. Glad you liked this tho ^.^

    • @Goatjomind
      @Goatjomind 2 місяці тому +19

      The chess match was first played with two different classmates that are inexperienced in chess, only in the last few minutes the „captains“ stepped in

    • @karmaakabane1113
      @karmaakabane1113 2 місяці тому +9

      Bro do you even read ln or watch the show? If you think that real life geniuses are better than ayanokoji then name a real genius person that can fight know multiple martisl arts, obtain all human academic knowledge before turning 18 know how to play instrument can solve highschool level math problem at age below 9 and can speak multiple language

    • @hyperbuilder
      @hyperbuilder 2 місяці тому +30

      ​@@karmaakabane1113Don't get me wrong, I like classroom of the elite, but that just isn't realistic 💀

    • @karmaakabane1113
      @karmaakabane1113 2 місяці тому +9

      @@hyperbuilder yes thats why they are better than a real genius cuz they are the perfect human genius the author want them to be they arent meant to be realistic they are meant to be superhuman

    • @hyperbuilder
      @hyperbuilder 2 місяці тому +3

      @@karmaakabane1113 yes, I agree. You also can't really compare fiction to non-fiction tho

  • @gamershub992
    @gamershub992 3 місяці тому +1453

    I believe she said "I didn't expect you would make such mistake" after the match

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  3 місяці тому +617

      This is true but if I ever play Magnus Carlsen and he blunders a counter punch that's only like 3 moves deep, I'd assume he was in a coma

    • @lebannen6056
      @lebannen6056 3 місяці тому +73

      ​@@Rane501They were playing very fast, almost like bullet. Magnus did indeed blunder quite a lot of times in that time control.

    • @blade7535
      @blade7535 3 місяці тому +41

      ​@@lebannen6056they were playing classical wdym? it was 60 minutes each

    • @lebannen6056
      @lebannen6056 3 місяці тому +58

      @@blade7535 Rewatch the episode if you didn't notice, they were blitzing out moves basically without thinking, the time control was 60 minutes but they were playing bullet-like.

    • @imsoyam
      @imsoyam 3 місяці тому +89

      ​​@@lebannen6056 Bro even in bullet games players like magnus and hikaru have over 90-95 accuracy.... No way they are missing such an easy mate in 3!!
      Magnus even plays fully drunk and beats 2600-2700 rated bullet players

  • @christianflores3510
    @christianflores3510 2 місяці тому +1038

    Fun fact, in Japan, even if she was only 1400, she'd still be in the top 20 for women chess players in the country, and if she was 1600 shed nearly be top 100 overall lol

    • @vil9000
      @vil9000 2 місяці тому +137

      Ain't no way I'm top 30 or even lower in japan 💀

    • @hanlin7024
      @hanlin7024 2 місяці тому +7

      Lmao 😂

    • @BS_Kuji
      @BS_Kuji 2 місяці тому +52

      What even is this comment like are you delusional maybe in the 1800s but rn top 100 for women is like 2300 very very very different than 1600 buddy

    • @free_instructions2259
      @free_instructions2259 2 місяці тому +205

      ​@@BS_Kuji He's talking about Japan where the competitive chess scene is basically non existent because most people there play shogi

    • @free_instructions2259
      @free_instructions2259 2 місяці тому +54

      ​@@henczzz2035 I mean just go to the official Fide rankings for Japanese women and you'll see that the current rank 15 is only rated 1485

  • @EranB
    @EranB 2 місяці тому +149

    I think it's worth mentioning that the LN only shows the first 1 or 2 moves, and specifically mentions a queen sacrifice - other then that, it's up to the reader's imagination. The anime kinda did those two dirty - they should have just used an actual match between two grandmasters instead of trying and failing to make a "genius" game

    • @kaiser-qe7iy
      @kaiser-qe7iy 18 днів тому +23

      or better yet, stockfish against stockfish. you could either make arisu's stockfish worse in rating or make it play a worse opening. you just gotta make sure you include the 2 moves that were mentioned

    • @chottomatekudasai-kun3887
      @chottomatekudasai-kun3887 16 днів тому +3

      This.
      There are dozens of well known games with queen sacrifice above 2500+ elo, or just some of Nezhmedinov would be cool.

    • @Zilliguy
      @Zilliguy 6 днів тому +3

      Yeah watching these 2 play was pretty upsetting when theres so many brilliant games they could easily have allowed to influence the game

  • @mikeevans4341
    @mikeevans4341 2 місяці тому +415

    The saddest part is with the position a couple moves ago. Ayanokoji had a completely winning position and he made 2 huge blunders in a row that ended up giving Sakayanagi yhe completely winning position, but Sakayanagi couldn't gind the easy win and went for the fancy queen sac that loses the game on the spot if Ayanokoji finds the counter.

    • @aguacomgas200
      @aguacomgas200 2 місяці тому +8

      No anime mostra que os lances foram alterados pela Escola. 😢

    • @yourtechnicalassistant6672
      @yourtechnicalassistant6672 2 місяці тому +81

      no its not like that, the chairman rigged the moves

    • @simonenoli4418
      @simonenoli4418 2 місяці тому +17

      @@yourtechnicalassistant6672 no. it was a shitshow of a match. ridicolous through and through

    • @Zyluki
      @Zyluki 2 місяці тому +50

      @@simonenoli4418 thats the fault of either the novelist or adaptation writers(i dont remember if the chess game has the same details in both)
      he canonically lost because the game was rigged by the chairman

    • @Monokrom
      @Monokrom 2 місяці тому +52

      There was no actual chess game details in the novel, most we got was E4 and E5 and then the rest was a general description of the match ​@@Zyluki

  • @the_phen0m639
    @the_phen0m639 3 місяці тому +1373

    Ayano found it in less than a minute

    • @radhakirshan20
      @radhakirshan20 3 місяці тому +92

      Yup I agree like 4 seconds

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  3 місяці тому +1397

      In like a few seconds, he was just thinking about Horikita's thighs with the other 57 seconds

    • @the_phen0m639
      @the_phen0m639 3 місяці тому +182

      @@Rane501 relatable

    • @CJ-D-GOAT
      @CJ-D-GOAT 3 місяці тому +109

      ​@@Rane501who wouldn't be lol

    • @RajeevRanjan-tp1ku
      @RajeevRanjan-tp1ku 3 місяці тому +40

      Bruh it fiction anyone can create a character stronger and smarter then any in existance lol 😂

  • @CJ-D-GOAT
    @CJ-D-GOAT 3 місяці тому +649

    The Light Novel's author probably doesn't know much about chess, the intention, especially confirmed in Volume 0, is that these 2 (especially koji) are really good. In volume 0 Ayanokoji beat GMs as a child.

    • @king_of_badassness
      @king_of_badassness 2 місяці тому +40

      GMs? Seriously?

    • @1_ofthose
      @1_ofthose 2 місяці тому +99

      ​@@king_of_badassness no never mentioned.

    • @gamershub992
      @gamershub992 2 місяці тому +221

      GM's was not mentioned but PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS were mentioned...

    • @victorhugo-gb7kx
      @victorhugo-gb7kx 2 місяці тому +60

      Its mentindo "Professional players"
      Can be Fide Masters too

    • @1_ofthose
      @1_ofthose 2 місяці тому +7

      @@victorhugo-gb7kx not that I recall. Give me the chapter

  • @tunguyen3288
    @tunguyen3288 2 місяці тому +154

    If I remember right, it did say in the LN that Ayanokouji was ahead serveral times in the game and mr.chairman has to interfere a few times just to get Sakayanagi a winning chance, like make 2-3 questionable move in a row (which only abandon the oppotunity to improve, not to blunder if it make sense)
    That's how even before the Queen sac, Ayanokouji was way ahead in points of material.
    I guess the studio decided that they can't be in the GM's level so they just pick a random puzzle and plug it in.

    • @cinnay99
      @cinnay99 2 місяці тому +4

      I don't remember them saying that, I think the only confirmed intervention was the one at the end.

    • @Altacount-mf3uj
      @Altacount-mf3uj 2 місяці тому +3

      Also Ayanokoji stated while training Horikita that if she could beat him while he is going easy then he can beat there opponent, and Ayanokoji clearly wasn't trying very much considering he didn't report his answer had been altered. So like usual he is down playing himself so Ayanokoji while going easy with a bad start is 1800. So it still isn't accurate.

  • @daviwoo
    @daviwoo 2 місяці тому +14

    The match was firstly played my amateurs, if you don't remember, Ayanokoji and Sakayanagi only stepped in by the end of the game

  • @hymnjay0097
    @hymnjay0097 3 місяці тому +150

    Thanks for covering their chess game. I was waiting for someone to do it.

    • @ThirtySocks
      @ThirtySocks 2 місяці тому +2

      Sameeee

    • @HitPeace
      @HitPeace Місяць тому

      I was waiting for Gotham chess or hikaru Nakamura tho..

    • @unova3557
      @unova3557 Місяць тому

      the game in the anime involves a really bad animation error, so i'm not surprised that it's not featured anywhere 😭😭

    • @TheA2HI6
      @TheA2HI6 14 днів тому

      Samr

  • @user-fd2jh1qx6c
    @user-fd2jh1qx6c 2 місяці тому +24

    6:26 The writer isn't an artificial genius therefore the only thing he can do is just write that his character is a genius and try to make it work😮

    • @LuisBustos-jq8sz
      @LuisBustos-jq8sz 18 днів тому +4

      there are engines so not really

    • @linconuo8949
      @linconuo8949 3 дні тому

      funny how dumb people even fall for this garbage.

    • @anonymousbanana204
      @anonymousbanana204 День тому

      Use stockfish, use historical games, or ask chatgpt. It isn't that hard

  • @TheBros721
    @TheBros721 2 місяці тому +1

    awesome video
    just seen the video mself and was glad that you took the time to break down the board for us!

  • @salva__sk1645
    @salva__sk1645 2 місяці тому +4

    GRACIAS, yo necesitaba ver este vídeo.

  • @TruthOfZ0
    @TruthOfZ0 3 місяці тому +87

    She did realize it was a weird move thats why they had a rematch to continue from where it was left and Ayanakoji beat her with that amazing move

    • @hewwo5439
      @hewwo5439 3 місяці тому +1

      Yes!

    • @Undercoverguy-qu3vz
      @Undercoverguy-qu3vz 2 місяці тому +1

      Yeah ayano could only give horikita help and not play the game so she could choose to move that move or not

    • @Senzu_Beannn
      @Senzu_Beannn 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Undercoverguy-qu3vzthat’s true but she’s definitely choosing his moves over her own 😂

    • @Undercoverguy-qu3vz
      @Undercoverguy-qu3vz 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Senzu_Beannn No shit but sakayanagi doesn’t know if horikita choosed to move her move or ayano‘s moves

    • @rileycudney3455
      @rileycudney3455 2 місяці тому

      But also it was halfway through the game anyway he could’ve probably destroyed her out of the opening

  • @TerabyteGaming_12345
    @TerabyteGaming_12345 2 місяці тому +98

    I think Sakayanagi is genuinly a 1600, and its not like she got any real chess training apart from just playing it with others. So, even that is impressive. But, I think Ayanokoji is just holding back and playing at her level, just like he does always.....

    • @darkalexander9158
      @darkalexander9158 2 місяці тому +1

      Agreed

    • @prazum
      @prazum 2 місяці тому +4

      Nope, in the very episode she said she started learning chess after looking ayanakoji

    • @DerBAM
      @DerBAM 2 місяці тому +3

      No she’s a gm she literally been playing since she was 4

    • @DerBAM
      @DerBAM 2 місяці тому +8

      The anime did them dirty

    • @cinnay99
      @cinnay99 2 місяці тому

      I can't speak for the anime, since they do a very questionable job at adapting the story, but in the novels Ayanokoji had to go all out to just barely beat her at the end. They basically recognized each other as equals in chess.

  • @SJ3845
    @SJ3845 3 місяці тому +100

    4:20 LN game was a completely different game it started with e4 e5 Nf3... And Ayanokoji sacced the queen earlier

    • @MANGAMASTERS_
      @MANGAMASTERS_ 2 місяці тому +7

      It was still a 600 elo level game play

    • @MiraS24
      @MiraS24 2 місяці тому +52

      ​@@MANGAMASTERS_ in the novel you wouldn't be able to tell how the game exactly went
      The anime just made it look low level

    • @rax1899
      @rax1899 2 місяці тому +6

      ​@@MANGAMASTERS_you wouldnt be able to tell since we barely see any moves

    • @sskyfire6345
      @sskyfire6345 2 місяці тому +4

      ​@@MANGAMASTERS_if baku says it than it must be true

    • @MANGAMASTERS_
      @MANGAMASTERS_ 2 місяці тому +4

      @@MiraS24 that's the neat part we can't tell how the game went cuz of writer's inability to write a gm level game that' why it would still be a 600 elo gameplay .

  • @itsadrianntk
    @itsadrianntk 2 місяці тому +4

    Also you have to understand that they weren’t playing chess at the start of the match so they both needed to make improvements and adapt to the game to save themselves. Also it was a 60min game and they got involved around the 30min mark.

  • @emanuelezizza
    @emanuelezizza 2 місяці тому +151

    I'm barely 700 but I was screaming when I saw this, If I (after more than 3 minutes tbh) understood that Qg5 was the best move because of the pawn there's no way that a chess genius shouldn't see it

    • @Renard-ks6hj
      @Renard-ks6hj 2 місяці тому +8

      Possibly to let more viewers understand the match

    • @Lecultedumicro-ondes
      @Lecultedumicro-ondes 2 місяці тому +11

      You probably found this because you expected a brillant move. There is no way a 700 rated player find this move in a match (unless you're not 700 elo).

    • @emanuelezizza
      @emanuelezizza 2 місяці тому +5

      @@Lecultedumicro-ondes people usually says that I'm good at founding great moves but I'm very slow, so most of the games I'm rushing because I'm short on time

    • @asherahmed8165
      @asherahmed8165 2 місяці тому +6

      @@Lecultedumicro-ondes This is true. I am less than 600elo and I can find the sacrifice moves in puzzles. But in a match, I would not be able to do it.

    • @AkramMeridja-eu1vx
      @AkramMeridja-eu1vx 2 місяці тому

      ​​@@Lecultedumicro-ondesyeah actually i am 850 elo and i only found like 4 brilliants, best accuracy rate is 91-92 and it was me with pride boost bc i was playing with my friend who is my rivale 💀💀 if i play like that every game i would be like 1100 or 1200 at least but yeah i am playing chess just for fun i mean somtimes i start trolling in the mid game and doing random sacrifices and yeah one of them was a brilliant and i literally found it 😂😂😂
      BTW my friend elo is 1200 but he was half sleeping and our score is 32/9 😭😭😭

  • @allanjones1170
    @allanjones1170 2 місяці тому +45

    Bro explained a 1000 play and acted like it was profound

    • @sebastianguerrero8252
      @sebastianguerrero8252 Місяць тому +3

      Dude, i've never seen a 1000 doing moves like that, don't talk shit

    • @lyntran7997
      @lyntran7997 Місяць тому +3

      @@sebastianguerrero8252 all those moves were like sht except the last move which was controlled by the principal

    • @siema14123
      @siema14123 21 день тому +1

      @@lyntran7997 yup, they literally played all the mid moves and the only brilliant move of the game had been altered and not even made

    • @austinadvincula4410
      @austinadvincula4410 6 днів тому

      @@sebastianguerrero8252quit dickriding man, even chess streamers would look like Hikaru if they matched them

  • @kamcio8586
    @kamcio8586 2 місяці тому +28

    if i was writing such a novel, i'd just steal some historic game with a really good twist. There's a ton of analysis' online on such games and it's not like illegal to copy the chess moves to your story lol

  • @joshuafaith-st5hf
    @joshuafaith-st5hf 2 місяці тому +4

    crazy position, so many perfect sequences and details on both sides

    • @RolloNotOver
      @RolloNotOver 2 місяці тому +2

      not really i’m a higher elo than them

    • @NevarKanzaki
      @NevarKanzaki 2 місяці тому +2

      Actually, no. The two of them are blundering constantly. They're actually playing worse that the newbies playing before them.

  • @archindar5665
    @archindar5665 2 місяці тому +12

    the real question is why your video is the first video ive seen covering this. i subscibed, give more super frequent anime related content!

    • @Toxa2
      @Toxa2 2 місяці тому

      LOL

  • @ThirtySocks
    @ThirtySocks 2 місяці тому

    I've been waiting for this

  • @kiptop3418
    @kiptop3418 2 місяці тому +232

    Ayanokoji is not a Chess Genius, he is a Human stockfish 🦖

    • @KentarouML
      @KentarouML 2 місяці тому +9

      Qxe7, but with Bxf3 instead of Qxf3 ayonokoji will lose

    • @santoshkumar-cr6gi
      @santoshkumar-cr6gi 2 місяці тому +15

      You're exaggerating. Like that's a huge exaggeration.

    • @vyrenizauxus7538
      @vyrenizauxus7538 2 місяці тому +8

      Dude literally beat a supercomputer on a speed chess and he's only 9 yrs old that time

    • @KentarouML
      @KentarouML 2 місяці тому +16

      @@vyrenizauxus7538 then blundered in this game like a 1500 elo

    • @AlmasarLakkian
      @AlmasarLakkian 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@KentarouML He intentionally blundered it, rewatch the episode

  • @hyaku_tsuyoi
    @hyaku_tsuyoi 3 місяці тому +4

    I see both sides to this but yes, you are correct about her being oblivious to certain moves that her rating is a bit lower than what is actually said but you have to remember that they did not start playing from the start so you can't really make an estimated guess, not too clearly because of the last few minutes of the game since other people were playing before them. Though Sakayanagi and how Ayanokoji were playing could make you guess how they think endgame, still not a clear way to guess their ratings but yeah other than that nice video. Loved someone making an analysis on it. My rating is around 1600 btw LOL.

  • @wham_sandwitch
    @wham_sandwitch 2 місяці тому +3

    i read the ln
    basically, there was only one defensive resource in the situation, and kiyo entered that into the computer, but tsukishiro and his several teams of cronies calculated tirelessly to find a move that looked like it wasn't immediately losing but had presumably even longer follow-up before the eventual loss
    the anime, imo, had a very hard time with figuring out how to show this off especially with the game that was already planned out(?), but i only watch the dub... so idk yet

    • @wham_sandwitch
      @wham_sandwitch 2 місяці тому

      ​@technoeye6142 they don't have to necessarily be better than engines, alice is merely a natural-born genius, and a sort of chess prodigy by portrayal; something i am intimately familiar with; one would expect her to be 2300-2400 fide, if not a little higher
      although, one could suppose kiyo would be quite a bit stronger still. I believe it was once mentioned that kiyo surpassed all the masters that came to challenge him, so perhaps it has implications about kiyo in relation to something or other

  • @mirchiiii
    @mirchiiii 3 місяці тому +99

    the match was changed in the anime from the ln i think cause in the ln the ln the opening was e4 and e5 ... so i think in anime version they just animated a real match from some website

    • @iThqralt
      @iThqralt 2 місяці тому +3

      Maybe they should've taken one of my games.

    • @user-gz2px6eh7s
      @user-gz2px6eh7s 2 місяці тому +7

      The reality is that your perfect human is not so perfect.

    • @guilhermemateus5263
      @guilhermemateus5263 2 місяці тому

      @@user-gz2px6eh7s are u dumb? its a fictional character

    • @randominternetuser7431
      @randominternetuser7431 2 місяці тому +17

      @@user-gz2px6eh7s the reality is that the anime butchered the chess scene

    • @user-gz2px6eh7s
      @user-gz2px6eh7s 2 місяці тому +2

      @@randominternetuser7431 The anime died before the chess scene appeared

  • @6Monto
    @6Monto 2 місяці тому

    i didn't see all this deep detailed situation watching the anime, thanks for explaining the double queen sacs were amazing to me.

  • @Nagitudo
    @Nagitudo 3 місяці тому +119

    Ayanokoji and Sakayanagi are not really meant to be even close to Magnus. All that they are are prodigies, not necessarily enough to beat Magnus. The WR used chess to teach/scale their intelligence and thinking abilities, but not to make them reach Magnus level of skill in CHESS. Only improve their abilities outside chess, using chess. It doesn't mean Ayanokoji is gonna be really high GM level or something. Magnus would absolutely destroy Ayanokoji even with narrative/statements.

    • @aizenuchiha4998
      @aizenuchiha4998 2 місяці тому +58

      That is not correct Ayanokoji in the LN beat a super computer funded by the government in a chess match this same computer can think 20,000,000 times in a single second that would mean Ayanokoji's actual rating would be over 3600 but some people can't write chess games properly so this was just a statement so we have to base how good Ayanokoji is at chess off that

    • @-victim.
      @-victim. 2 місяці тому +15

      ​@@aizenuchiha4998a valid point but still invalid in terms of fictional and real life scenarios.

    • @_ren_293
      @_ren_293 2 місяці тому +2

      There is a person who has defeated a supercomputer in real life too who can one side dominate magnus is chess.

    • @aizenuchiha4998
      @aizenuchiha4998 2 місяці тому +10

      @@-victim. Well we are literally comparing a fictional characters to a Grandmaster

    • @-victim.
      @-victim. 2 місяці тому

      @@aizenuchiha4998 yeah i agree 👍🏻💯

  • @oscarchen6081
    @oscarchen6081 3 місяці тому +58

    The guy in the end said Ayanokoji would have won. When sakajanagi played her queen sac, Ayano had around 1 minute left. So I believe Ayanos rating must be pretty high to find that move in a time to makeit still winnable

    • @ashithink
      @ashithink 3 місяці тому +21

      He defeated a super computer or stockfish if you prefer but it wasn’t shown in the anime but it was stated in the novel and there’s a document based on that feat or the statement

    • @m3k569
      @m3k569 3 місяці тому +26

      ​@@ashithink the only thing he did was FINDING that move before stockfish, something that happens IRL sometimes when GMs play. He never defeated stockfish and that document is bs.

    • @gamershub992
      @gamershub992 3 місяці тому +9

      @@m3k569 That only shows that koji was faster than stockfish and why are you highlighting finding?
      What's your point?

    • @mr.death7267
      @mr.death7267 3 місяці тому +16

      @@gamershub992 nope stockfish can find mate in 10+ in seconds. Ayanokoji doesn't hold a candle against stockfish.

    • @mr.death7267
      @mr.death7267 3 місяці тому +10

      @@gamershub992 ​ Also the skill level of Sakayanagi is very inconsistent. The guys who were behind making this game clearly didn't know anything about chess. Like Sakayanagi was flabbergasted when Ayanokoji took a piece which resulted in a check, but was able to find a way to sacrifice her queen. When her queen was taken, she said that no ordinary person could achieve that move, although 99% of the population would play that move. In other words, stop overrating COTE!

  • @lucasamorim6457
    @lucasamorim6457 Місяць тому +1

    This was anime direction invention. The game was never showed in the novel (original). Its just explained later that was a simple pawn move that decided the match (which was altered by the staff). They sit few days later and he shows her what was the real move he wanted to do.

  • @sourangshu7731
    @sourangshu7731 2 місяці тому +11

    Actually in Light Novel the chess game is not shown except the opening moves so they have to create a chess game all by themselves. I don't think they had the budget to bring a professional chess player just to create a 5 min scene so they did what they knew ig

    • @thatonenoob7854
      @thatonenoob7854 2 місяці тому +4

      They do. All they had to do was simulate a game between chess bots. It's free. Stockfish is free

    • @ackermandz8485
      @ackermandz8485 2 місяці тому

      @@thatonenoob7854 but the opening has to be shit can they change the level in the middle of the game?

    • @Kerinsp
      @Kerinsp 2 місяці тому

      @@thatonenoob7854 they dint use chess bot.If they use the battle will be fire🔥🔥

    • @Thewingsoffreedom.
      @Thewingsoffreedom. 2 місяці тому +1

      @@ackermandz8485 I believe you can simulate a crappy game yourself first and then let stockfish/bot play midway.

    • @electroninja7419
      @electroninja7419 Місяць тому

      @@ackermandz8485stock fish can adjust elo.

  • @vietcongnva1197
    @vietcongnva1197 2 місяці тому +5

    "They play stupidly like pigs" - An Vietnamese chess youtuber🗣🔥🔥🔥
    Quick note: Before all of you jump me, you should watch the entire match before this moment. it's not just some blunders, it's FULL of blunders, mistakes and missed opportunity.

  • @Jei3am
    @Jei3am 2 місяці тому +3

    Love that she find losing Qxf3 instead of winning Bxf3 that was putting White in completly losing position

  • @anime_enjoyer5507
    @anime_enjoyer5507 2 місяці тому +1

    in the light novels, the chess match is vaguely describe, thats why im surprise that they show it on the anime because im pretty sure that it'll be analyze by the professionals to see their real level.. they probably just find this play on some chess match in some way, and patch it on the anime..

  • @zepredalux2159
    @zepredalux2159 Місяць тому +1

    The moves weren't shown in the light novel. It was just stated as a very intense chess game where when ayanokoji was ahead, the guy had to change his moves into bad ones. It's the animation studio who had to show the match because it was filled mostly of inner monologue, so they tried to improvise i guess

  • @jackpest
    @jackpest 2 місяці тому +90

    Tbf consider that the match started with 2 people who have been playing for a couple weeks and they picked up over halfway through which if you start with a bad game you can't expect god tier moves immediately following it, because it starts at the beginning. Also keep in mind that one of them started later then the other genius meaning he started from a bad position and had to figure out a way to get out of that and come up with a winning strategy.
    I can understand your complaints or problems with how the game was going if the board state came to that if both were playing from the beginning but they weren't.

    • @calvincarson8301
      @calvincarson8301 2 місяці тому +15

      sure but even then, Sakayanagi's winning move was BxN which would force checkmate no matter what. even if you make the argument that Ayanokoji's moves were rigged and that him blundering checkmate with the QxR move and that doesn't show his skill is true, it shows that Sakayanagi isn't that good since she missed forced mate

    • @rats0155
      @rats0155 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@calvincarson8301I guess you can sac the Queen on e4 to then play f3 After Bxe4 but yes white can resign after Bxf3

    • @calvincarson8301
      @calvincarson8301 2 місяці тому

      @@rats0155 after BxNf3, even if white plays Qe4, black just plays Qxg2#

    • @racool911
      @racool911 2 місяці тому +1

      @@calvincarson8301 To be fair, they never really said Sakayanagi was a top tier chess player, she probably overestimated herself, or just wanted to play against ayanakoji anyway

    • @NevarKanzaki
      @NevarKanzaki 2 місяці тому

      @@rats0155 Qxe4. If gxf3, Rg6+, Kh1, Qxf3#. If g3, nothing can stop the queen from going to g4 to h3 to g2. White can throw in a check if they want but it won't do anything. If white plays anything else, the most resistance being playing Rfe1. Black can play Be2, swing the rook over to g6, and mate is coming on g2 in some fashion. If white throws f3 in there, the queen will just shuffle to e3 then f2 before mating on g2. It isn't worth going over the variations but mate is still forced in relatively short order.
      The cleaner way to go is not to play Bxf3 but to leave the pin as is and play Rg6 to begin with. If g3, then Qxf3 and Qg2#. If Ne1, Bxg2. If Nxg2, Qxg2#. If basically anything else, the bishop moves back on any square on the long diagonal which forces Ng2, Qxg2#.
      So yeah, Ayanokoji was a piece up then blundered away to get to this position. Then Sakayanagi proceeds to ignore two different forced wins that are simpler to see and use the same basic idea that she's trying to use. Even worse, she does it in such a way that narrows the opponent's options so much that as long as the opponent knows enough to see the mating pattern, they're left with all of 2 moves to consider, one of them being Qg5 and the other being Qe8+ which results in black having a winning position (active Q and R vs B and a pair of inactive rooks) but not a forced win. So I don't really take serious issue with how the game was going before even if I do think the moves were a bit poor. If anything, the others who were playing before played better than the captains who both almost immediately blundered the game back and forth in obvious ways. When a "good" player joins, you don't expect god tier brilliancy moves right off the bat right after hopping into the middle of a game because there's been no setup. Rather, you'd expect good moves which improve the position and get working on a plan. Both of them had plans, absolutely garbage ones that threw away the game almost immediately.
      So this is the actual record upon him hopping in. Ayanokoji never centralizes his rooks, instead messing around with his knights which were in plenty fine position already. Sakayanagi opens the position which is fine but then blunders a piece in short order. Ayanokoji ends up a solid piece but instead of defending, he trades off his most active piece and lands himself in this position where he's thrown the game. Sakayanagi overlooks two forced mates and throws the win. Ayanokoji finds a rather pretty rebuttal, albeit one that he's almost forced to find by the position offering so few candidate options. So I'd say that they were both putting out one unmitigated disaster after another. The actual play is probably about 800-900 which commonly has the traits of "has some good ideas but makes a lot of errors and has a tendency to tunnel vision which results in overlooking basic principles". Maybe even a little less given the leadup to it. I'd say the other students played better than they did and not by a small margin. At least they didn't blunder ever other move.

  • @coatares3716
    @coatares3716 2 місяці тому +14

    Ever since the scene got released I've been searching for one that fully explains whats happening. Thank goodness you appeared on my recommendations

  • @asd.nathan8334
    @asd.nathan8334 2 місяці тому

    Forgot to mention that in the anime the leaders were supposed to play for a maximum of 30 minutes (which is enough, but watching them blitzing moves make it seems like it was supposed to be a blitz game at that point), so it is fair to suppose that a very strong player made a mistake because they were in zeitnot (low on time), which is why she didn't question that a mistake like that could happen even if the opponent is strong.
    Overall, I analyzed the game and I realized that a certain point of the episode (which apperently is made up) the position didn't quite matched the position some moves before, though it resemble it. in particoular, the knight in f6 has suddenly vanished at a certain point. Also the moves shown at the start of the game (b3 Nc6 d3) didn't match with the position some moves later, but I could guess what the first 16 moves of the game were supposed to be anyway if I suppose that e3 was played and not d6, so I guess something like that might happened later on, but it's alright (I think a professional chess player helped the production of the anime to make up this game, sending them a proper game, in fact the move sheet that was shown was accurate, but the anime didn't displayed it well lmao)
    In the middlegame there were some mistakes here and there and some misses that were quite easy to catch, but it's understandable due to the production being held by people who don't know anything about chess (and lighr novel's author too).
    But the endgame was quite fun, and Qg5 was a very impressive move that quite fit the narrative.

  • @eddiesmundopr
    @eddiesmundopr Місяць тому

    awsome analysis

  • @Krex-Mahn
    @Krex-Mahn 2 місяці тому +5

    I don't know anything about chess but this video and the anime makes me wanna learn and start playing

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  2 місяці тому +10

      "To be able to play chess a sign of a gentleman.
      To be able to play chess well is the sign of a wasted life."
      -Some world champion a long time ago

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  2 місяці тому +4

      @@MobSnek paul morphy, arguably the best chess player to ever live

    • @prazum
      @prazum 2 місяці тому

      @@Rane501 its correct although my rating is not super high but I can feel the depth in this sentence

    • @bananamonkeygaming14
      @bananamonkeygaming14 Місяць тому

      @@MobSnek emory tate wasnt close to being world champ, he wasnt even a gm

  • @slayastroclips5262
    @slayastroclips5262 3 місяці тому +7

    i definitely agree with him (I'm 1300 elo rated player in irl)

  • @RajPraveen1312
    @RajPraveen1312 2 місяці тому +1

    There is another context to the game too, that most of the early game was played by the Ayano and Sakayanagi's classmates whom they taught before. It wasnt played by them from the start. They had to play with the positions their students had left in the game. So, there's that variable in the equation too. But still, i am no expert and dont know how much do positions change a person's play in a game.😅

  • @tourment2381
    @tourment2381 25 днів тому +1

    In the anime (idk bout the manga) Ananokoji and Sakayanagi weren't playing most of the game, they just took the end of the game which is why it's depicted as "genius" because they took the position left to them by average or above average players and had to mold it into a winning game

  • @joymongamer6113
    @joymongamer6113 2 місяці тому +3

    I knew this was mid , but what the hell was the opening , tell us about that too

  • @oliverrobinson5541
    @oliverrobinson5541 Місяць тому +3

    Anime loves to have a chess scene to show off how smart the characters are. But the creators aren't seasoned chess players and they assume those watching aren't either. It's like when a movie includes scientific gibberish and impliedly requests the audience to suspend its disbelief and pretend it's accurate.

  • @goodname6600
    @goodname6600 2 місяці тому +1

    I rlly liked the video and i agree with what you say, but it is also worth to keep in mind, specially after the last episode came out, that Ayanakoji never rlly tried, he's always at 70-80% of his true ability or even less, so in my opinion it would be such an Ayanokoji move to just play at Sakayanagi's level but slightly higher to unsure a win without standing out or smth like that. Plus, idk much about chess, but if Ayanakoji was higher than 2000 rating all the way through the whole match i would find it hard that he wouldnt just be absolutely destroying her and not even letting her be in the position she was.

  • @a_personperson9785
    @a_personperson9785 2 місяці тому

    Thank you sir for the explanation

  • @xledifx8752
    @xledifx8752 3 місяці тому +24

    Great analysis! The match was changed in the anime from the "original story". Some people said it was better match the original one, you should do a analysis of that one too

    • @MiraS24
      @MiraS24 2 місяці тому +5

      Can't, there's only 2 moves noted in the novel
      E4 and E5 plus a knight move but that wasn't noted

    • @ersakusuma7865
      @ersakusuma7865 2 місяці тому +3

      wait are you talking about, the novel didnt cover everything

  • @RedTheLegend9
    @RedTheLegend9 2 місяці тому +4

    Didnt 2 other people play out the game before they took over??? Then from that position the captains handled the rest? It would be possible to believe they are higher but played with the hand they were dealt

    • @alecalb2749
      @alecalb2749 2 місяці тому

      yeah

    • @siema14123
      @siema14123 21 день тому

      Sakayanagi was completely winning but made a blunder at the end. The queen sacrifice near the end that shocked everyone was actually a move that made her from completely winning to completely losing assuming ayano found the queen sacrifice

  • @Truthful653
    @Truthful653 2 місяці тому +2

    Great video, Everyone saying that he is 3000+ rated when he most likely isn't trained for that level is crazy. Pretty accurate elo for a person who is a literal genius and hasn't played chess for a long time or haven't prepared for the high level.

  • @user-xh3fn2vd7k
    @user-xh3fn2vd7k 2 місяці тому

    In the light novel the moves aren't specified so the anime had to make up some moves to show but screwed up terribly.

  • @sw3562
    @sw3562 3 місяці тому +17

    Qxg5 sure its good but black should have taken the f3 knight with the c6 bishop and then is completely losing for white.

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  3 місяці тому +7

      Haven't thought about it, but if true,, Sakayanagi was done dirty with that move frrr

    • @near6291
      @near6291 3 місяці тому

      Pawn to G3 will prevent the mate

    • @mustaphad1319
      @mustaphad1319 3 місяці тому

      Qh3 would be lethal

    • @NatNguyrn
      @NatNguyrn 2 місяці тому

      Qh3 and white has nothing to defend​@@near6291

    • @fareshegazy408
      @fareshegazy408 2 місяці тому

      No actually,
      Qe8 Ayano
      Kh7 sakayanagi
      g3 Ayano
      Qh3 sakayanagi
      Qe4 Ayano
      Bxe4 sakayanagi
      f3 Ayano
      And the game goes

  • @FlexMcCool
    @FlexMcCool 2 місяці тому +6

    If I'm not mistaken, the vast majority of this match was played by other students. They could only send suggestions to them for a price and Ayakokoji chimed in much later than his opponent did which was a tad odd. In hindsight he was probably aware of the possibility that the match was rigged.
    I don't think he was ever really playing a game against class A, but rather setting a lure to the admins to see if all this was all futile.
    He immediately caught it and just quit then and there as there was no hope of any of this working if he wasn't in control, plus he had already achieved his true objective.
    This makes sense because Ayanokoji does often sacrifice one objective to secretly achieve another which almost nobody else would dare do or suspect anyone of doing (pawn sacrifice variant IRL?).
    Also, Sakayanagi maybe was a bit of a disappointment if you were expecting her to have closed the gap between them more, however it's fine. I'd expect nothing less from her realistically speaking. She got further that I would have.

  • @SouhaibDjenane
    @SouhaibDjenane 2 місяці тому +2

    Sakayanagi actually asked ayano why did he blunder that obvious move, and then that guy interfered. I really thought they would mess the chess part but they did it great.

  • @georgian4516
    @georgian4516 2 місяці тому +1

    Did black move twice? because when the queen took the knight there was no move from white beforehand.

  • @richardemanuel3231
    @richardemanuel3231 2 місяці тому +3

    The question is what will ayanokoji do if instead of Qf3, Sakayanagy plays Bf3, it is a completely lost position for white.

    • @user-tl1id9hz7z
      @user-tl1id9hz7z 2 місяці тому

      white has an extra rook so that wouldn't matter. Also the position is completely winning for white after g3.

    • @kshitiz6376
      @kshitiz6376 2 місяці тому

      @@user-tl1id9hz7z Bxf3 forces checkmate. Hate to admit it, but these punks are right for once.

    • @ahornypotato5397
      @ahornypotato5397 2 місяці тому

      ​@@kshitiz6376wym by these punks?

    • @richardemanuel3231
      @richardemanuel3231 2 місяці тому

      @@user-tl1id9hz7z you have to sacrifice the queen to avoid checkmate, try using Stockfish in this position.

    • @Lecultedumicro-ondes
      @Lecultedumicro-ondes 2 місяці тому

      I know chess isn't for everyone but knowing that a queen is worth way more than a single rook isn't supposed to be hard to understand...

  • @dokkino7105
    @dokkino7105 2 місяці тому +14

    Remembering that in the LN it took 20 GM + Supercomputers to hinder Ayanokoji moves so he can't come back with a win con, let that sink in...
    The anime did them so dirty, they were supposed to have like 2800 Elo for Sakayanagi and 3000 Elo (difficult to estimate) for Ayanokoji, but instead we got a 1400-1500 Elo match if we're generous

    • @zerozedzaki
      @zerozedzaki 2 місяці тому +4

      That makes no sense. Im no where near gm level, only 2100, but good god man if I could replace even a single move from a stockfish game, i could make it lose almost instantly.

    • @leobiju3787
      @leobiju3787 2 місяці тому +1

      But that's not what Tsukishiro did. The LN explained that the move he changed to wasn't the worst move or anything like that, it was a reasonable move that opened up the opportunity for Sakayanagi tocheckmate

    • @PJ.N3G4
      @PJ.N3G4 2 місяці тому +1

      That's an over exaggeration

    • @leobiju3787
      @leobiju3787 2 місяці тому

      @@PJ.N3G4 what is exaggerated?

    • @PJ.N3G4
      @PJ.N3G4 2 місяці тому +1

      @@leobiju3787 It was never said that it is 20 grandmasters lol. The original statement is "chess professionals" which is a general term for those who has high ratings+has chess as their number one career.

  • @vedantgoswami5788
    @vedantgoswami5788 2 місяці тому +2

    You forgot that the openings and the first part of the middle game was being played by horkita and hashimoto so of course it would look like some 1600 are playing. Cause they provided thebopening position. If they both played it from the start i think the difference could have been noticed.

    • @thatoneguy871
      @thatoneguy871 2 місяці тому

      Do u play chess ? Idk why but u don't seem like u have played much. It doesn't matter whether the opening was played by them, the move in question was not high level and that move was played by them .

    • @stelixhyx808
      @stelixhyx808 2 місяці тому +1

      no one takes the knight with the queen instead of the bishop bro. It's beyond absurd

  • @abdelazizabdelkefi4973
    @abdelazizabdelkefi4973 2 місяці тому +1

    I m sorry if i m not very good at chess (I m around 1600) but I don't know what s the problem with BxKf3 instead of the QxKf3. It stills threatens checkmates in g2 and, even if QxKf3 is prettier, I think the move I mentioned is better because it keeps control of everything. Maybe I missed something: If it s the case, please help me to solve this hahahah

    • @SyedSaad-ug8uc
      @SyedSaad-ug8uc 21 день тому

      The problem with your move is writer doesn't know anything about chess (I am around 2100) and yes your is correct

  • @HenryReisP
    @HenryReisP 3 місяці тому +8

    1:00 here bishop takes f3 and the white loses right?

    • @pavelmatusu4457
      @pavelmatusu4457 3 місяці тому

      I think white can just go g3 and be completely fine (not really you will still lose ur queen)

    • @HenryReisP
      @HenryReisP 3 місяці тому

      ​@@pavelmatusu4457queen goes h3 and next move is check mate, no?

    • @pavelmatusu4457
      @pavelmatusu4457 3 місяці тому

      Not necessarily but you will lose your queen

    • @HenryReisP
      @HenryReisP 3 місяці тому

      ​@@pavelmatusu4457how??

    • @AdrianNightt
      @AdrianNightt 3 місяці тому

      yep

  • @painofanime3321
    @painofanime3321 3 місяці тому +6

    The manga one has a danish gambit and he was fire

    • @gojoteosatoru5606
      @gojoteosatoru5606 3 місяці тому

      Which chapter

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  3 місяці тому +1

      I gotta read the manga, I love the danish gambit wth

    • @Nagitudo
      @Nagitudo 3 місяці тому

      you should read the light novel. It's the actual source material of the anime, and only the second year of the manga is actually good. The ligh novel is amazing@@Rane501

    • @hater5740
      @hater5740 3 місяці тому +1

      Danish gambit? I used to play that when I was 800

    • @Nagitudo
      @Nagitudo 3 місяці тому +2

      @@Rane501 read the Light Novel, not the manga

  • @madteaparty1347
    @madteaparty1347 2 місяці тому +1

    I dont understand why she would sacc Queen if she could capture knight with bishop and its unstoppable mate anyway. Could someone explain, why its "dope move" as Rane said?

  • @mattias5945
    @mattias5945 3 місяці тому +2

    Actually the moves were different, the queen was already in g4, also after that koji made a mistake and same for her.

  • @hchandu3366
    @hchandu3366 2 місяці тому +4

    Exactly relatable!😄 animator
    Don't know about chess
    In case of
    COTE - BEGINNER LEVEL
    Code geas - the first time human playing chess.
    No disrespect to any animator but,
    In codegeas
    1. luluech opppent miss one move checkmate.
    2.king in front of king.
    😂like wtf. I'm being average chess player just reading the board make me laugh 😂. And more over In yt there are videos like
    How to play chess like Ayanokoji / luluech.
    ====================
    Really enjoyed the whole video bro.🎉

  • @backdoorguy1
    @backdoorguy1 2 місяці тому +6

    Glad someone said this, I have seen so many people claiming her to be 2400 or at least an im level

    • @jivraj2131
      @jivraj2131 2 місяці тому +10

      The anime butchered the chess game. It was supposed to be two GM against each other and against several operators and a supercomputer at the same time.

  • @cafecat-iy8vv
    @cafecat-iy8vv 2 місяці тому +2

    I found it interesting this most recent video of yours became the most viewed in your channel.

  • @joshuasam9695
    @joshuasam9695 28 днів тому +2

    She is not a genius in chess, she said that she wanted to beat Ayanokoji in his own game cause she considers that to be the genius move. She herself says that

  • @Ambattukam
    @Ambattukam 3 місяці тому +15

    Imagine being a genius and missing bxf3

    • @Shicva2029
      @Shicva2029 3 місяці тому

      There was an analysis about why Sakayanagi didnt move bxf3 and why Koji didnt countering it.

    • @DamonCaulfied
      @DamonCaulfied 3 місяці тому

      @@Shicva2029can you show me?

    • @Shicva2029
      @Shicva2029 3 місяці тому +1

      @@DamonCaulfied aight wait for me a bit, im at work rn

    • @mirchiiii
      @mirchiiii 3 місяці тому

      @@Shicva2029 im waiting too pls tag me when u send it

    • @Quiznnature
      @Quiznnature 3 місяці тому

      Then what could checkmate

  • @amistakeismade8222
    @amistakeismade8222 2 місяці тому +3

    ayanokoji defeated the most advanced chess bot in the world which on one else has done

    • @skryndo6691
      @skryndo6691 2 місяці тому

      I mean, in fiction, you have character like Shiro beating a program that explored two hundred million possibilities a second. She won twenty times in a row, alternating who moved first just to demonstrate the imperfection of the program.

    • @DryLeo-ut9yy
      @DryLeo-ut9yy 2 місяці тому

      Ye and also the author says he can see 100 moves into the future, news flash bro its all fake. It's fiction, ayanokoji is seen as perfect in his own verse but when u include real life and other verses u have to take into consideration the level at which both are competing at. The best chess bot was probably 2000 elo or something at that time(remeber chess bots have evolved) cuz at one point the most advanced chess but was1200 then when it got beat they created better ones then even better then even better

  • @blank_kami3618
    @blank_kami3618 2 місяці тому +1

    Remember, they took over part way through. These 2 ratings cannot be judged after taking over the game of 2 ametures. They adjusted to what they were dealt as the positionings were likely not their ideal.

  • @rileycudney3455
    @rileycudney3455 2 місяці тому +2

    I’m at 1900 level but honestly I’ve seen 1800-2000 rated players to do much worse stuff I had a FM just blunder a knight move 12 against me and resigned I think the last position is a brilliant puzzle find it’s also cool to see that Qd8+ also wins cause you could go to g5 after and threatening the same thing but great video though

    • @danieldestinocrafteroyt4605
      @danieldestinocrafteroyt4605 2 місяці тому

      I think that the author of the video is overestimating his own chess skills. As you say I doubt that even in a Classical game an FM would easily play that Qg4 instead of taking the queen.

    • @lugenbold
      @lugenbold 2 місяці тому

      ​@@danieldestinocrafteroyt4605 no one above 800 would take the queen in a classical game its an obvious forced mate in 3 and finding Qg4 is not as Hard because there is no other way to reasonable prevent the checkmate in on g2

  • @simonenoli4418
    @simonenoli4418 2 місяці тому +4

    This game was a shitshow.
    im not watching your analisys but im glad there is one outlet to vent.
    Ayanokoji opened with a fking Nimzolarser attack that basically sacks the center control to play for counter then at move 3 decides to go e3 and i was like "wtf is this"
    then it jumped to several moves later and its shown the white bishop being in Bb5 which is IMPOSSIBLE to achieve with a Nimzolarsen opening where you play 3. e3 (you literally are closing the door on that bishop until past midgame.
    then towards the end Ajanokoji does 2 stupid moves in a row and hands a +5!!!!! advantage to Sakajanagi the BLUNDERS the fk out with QxNf3??
    like are we supposed to think these people are genious?
    there are SO MANY Fisher games that they could have pulled out from any database that would fit the narrative but they HAD to make this mess of a game
    The move change was irrelevant tbh, yes it handed the victory to sakajanagi but honestly if they she didnt blunder she'd be winning ANYWAYS.
    crazy

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  2 місяці тому +1

      lmaoooooo real chess fanatics KNOW

    • @jj3472
      @jj3472 2 місяці тому +3

      subpar response coming from such a chess fanatic, makes me think youre just saying this for your ego/chess sake and you havent really done your homework lol. youll have to understand that it wasnt ayanokoji who opened with the Nimzolaser attack, it was horikita, the girl who was set to fight another student from another class, ayanokoji and Sakayanagi were set as leaders to tap in if the students they selected to fight were having trouble, thats why its their match, ayanokoji and Sakayanagi only played some mid-end game and even then he didnt go all out, but besides how the story is played out, you also have to realize that this is all taken from a light-novel, which this exact scene was written in 2018, I'm not sure about you but i dont think that this writer is on level with Magnus Carlsen to be able to write a chess game of such level. he would have to use stockfish or something but that also wouldnt work well due to writings sake. the chess game they actually played didnt really matter for it to deliver the message the writer wanted to deliver. so to analyze this chess match from a hardcore chess perspective then youre missing the point. TL;DR you missed the point blud and your response basically means nothing and is subpar to what it meant in the actual anime. and you got your information wrong ;)

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  2 місяці тому

      @@jj3472 you're totally right

    • @simonenoli4418
      @simonenoli4418 2 місяці тому +2

      @@jj3472 You absolutely make no sense whatsoever
      Horikita explicity tells us she was coached by Ajanokoji.
      do you think for a second that she can forget a chess opening 3 moves in? THREE. MOVES. IN?
      Nimzo larsen attack is
      1. b3
      2. Bb2
      3. Nf3
      4. d3 (depends on variations, d3 being the classical one that i suppose Ayanokoji taught her)
      NOWHERE in any variation is e3 a move. Horikita shouldnt even consider that! Why? because e3 walls the other bishop in, forever and prevents you from castling.
      they RECOGNIZE THAT midgame and INSTEAD of fixing the animation (fair enough) they presented us with another board state a few seconds after
      (horikita and the guy are still in control)
      in which the bishop that was supposedly buried in the wall pawn (that you can clearly see!) is in b5 which is IMPOSSIBLE to achieve!
      not unless the other guy turns around for a second and Horikita fking cheats!
      and yes i know that the author isnt magnus carlsen or bobby fisher or Mikail Tal or fking GOD of Chess.
      but DATABASES EXIST!!! you can literally PULL OUT A FAMOUS GAME and TRACE THE MOVES!! you DONT EVEN NEED to pull out shit from thin air!!
      and more to that. before Sakajanagi bluders her queen like a 1500elo shmuck who thinks they good cause they saw a mate in 2 that DOESNT WORK
      Ajanokoji that WAS IN CHARGE AT THE TIME. BLUNDERS by playing QxR!!!
      man just go to an analisys board and see that with optimal play from sakajanagi after QxR?? Ajanokoji is DEAD LOST!!
      QxR? BxNf3!
      g3 Qh3
      Qe8+ Kh7
      Qe4 BxQ
      f3 [...]
      and Sakajanagi has a Q for a R with an attack still mounting. She's winning completely.
      but she Blunders and plays QxNf3?? handing the advantage to Ajanokoji with Qg5!! to get the advantage.
      mind me. Qg5 there is actually a great move. like, a really great move IF WE DIDNT CONSIDER THE DOUBLE BLUNDER THAT HAPPENED RIGHT BEFORE!!!!
      like cmon, and they REPEAT the game later on and she doesnt go "oh wow i lost cause im DUMB AS FK" but says "oh shit you win those"
      NO HE DONT WIN THOSE. you made him WIN!
      Just... cmon man.

    • @jj3472
      @jj3472 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Rane501 i wasnt trying to be mean btw, i really enjoyed YOUR video but i feel like some things should be clarified immediately. i personally really like classroom of the elite, having read the entirety of the light novel series, the manga and the anime adaptation. and as a chess fan i think respect should be paid where respect is due and the creativity and writing of this series i havent seen anywhere else. thats why i think it should be generally defended due to how hard it is to display a genius and his problem solving skills and methods while not being a genius yourself while also trying to make a series that instills dramatic, heart racing and tragic perception within someone. im talking about this more than about chess but i view this chess match as a very important part for the writer and the reader. some chess enjoyer would obviously do a lot to find the chess match of someone who is apparently "smarter" than Magnus Carlsen only to be met by the sad reality that the chess game wasnt allat lmao. in the writing perspective, the chess didnt matter as much as the message being delivered through writing. and in a chess perspective the idea of the writing being displayed to a chess audience should be more important and studied from a subjective and thorough way. EDIT: i forgot to mention my first response was meant to the guy who made the comment we are replying to rn btw

  • @vickysunjaya3202
    @vickysunjaya3202 3 місяці тому +3

    hey, im sorry if you are offended from this. Just let it be bro, the author is trying the best for this story. Anyway it should also be common for supposedly genius character to play around with her words, especially in this context where they are not close buddy who'd love to express all their "clever" thought to oposition. Have you ever heard of sarcasm or rhetoric question 🙏

    • @Rane501
      @Rane501  3 місяці тому

      Oh no, not offended at all, appreciate the perspective

  • @kaiserlopez8721
    @kaiserlopez8721 2 місяці тому

    Curious bro but have you accounted the fact that maybe the first 2 players made it look like a 1600 mmr game? ( they played for the first 30 mins of the game) I'm not chess buff but aren't openings to mid game determine stuffs like MMR basing from your judgment? Just to clarify the players who played the game without them (leaders) interfering were only newbies (iirc the other one from the side of A class only played/learned the game for a month while on D side did it in 2 weeks) so I'm curious if that could affect it? I mean one even said that the game they just played looked like child's play. But again I'm not a chess buff so I don't know if that could affect your rating.

  • @tufol33k78
    @tufol33k78 2 місяці тому

    I've never watched the anime, but just looking at the positions you're showing I wish I know how we get to the key position.
    Being 1450 5+3, Black's plan is nasty, but you feel something is "wrong" about the move.
    It's definitely harder to find White's move. On a 5+3, I'd probably miss the move. But since it's classical I'd probably figure out after a couple of minutes (maybe 10?). As there is nothing much more to calculate as a counter... It's all or nothing, right? The only sensible move that even makes sense to prevent mate. Also, it almost seems the dark bishop in fianchetto is here because the plot requires it to be here.
    Like with white why in first place it's here, did the guy play a super weird opening first place? I really don't get it 😂
    I mostly agree on the ratings you give, they can't be higher. Only reason why this position happens is white doing pedagogical game or smt😂

  • @UxhatUs
    @UxhatUs 2 місяці тому +2

    The endgame was genius its the exact opposite from the middle and opening

  • @Aim-Sky
    @Aim-Sky 2 місяці тому

    in fact, the match was played between Masayoshi Hashimoto and Suzune Horikita, but Ayanokoji (Horikita's helper in the match) and Sakayanagi (Hashimoto's helper in the match) were the captains for the "final test"

  • @Skursss
    @Skursss 2 місяці тому +1

    Why is there witcher music playing in the background?

  • @syedafif460
    @syedafif460 2 місяці тому

    Chess lover and anime lover here watching this....nice video bro

  • @VanDO-Vietnam
    @VanDO-Vietnam 2 місяці тому

    If you analyze the full match or all the parts shown in the anime, you can see that there were a lot of mistakes and ineffective moves in the match. Even right at the third move of the game, I think. Ayanakoji's side moved a pawn, completely blocking the bishop's path a few moves later but somehow she can still move it without the pawn moving anywhere else. That is enough to see that the anime maker did not care about this chess scene at all.
    And they still even wrote that the pawn moved way later on despite the fact that the pawn was shown moved in the beginning.

  • @kiyotakaayanokouji-kun8193
    @kiyotakaayanokouji-kun8193 2 місяці тому

    But the point is that Kiyo saw this move quickly. The game in the light novel was different, although it is not shown in detail.
    An interesting point to highlight is that in the white room, he always beat professionals in chess, even as a child (7 years old or so).

  • @UnknownUser-mj8rg
    @UnknownUser-mj8rg 2 місяці тому

    Do we know if that was the only move that the other guy replaced of Ayanokoji's?

  • @vosamul
    @vosamul 22 дні тому +1

    In the show it's canon that Ayanokoji does the bare minimum to win, never showing his true ability.
    Yes, he still should've won even in that position but the chairman guy wants him expelled.
    I think the battle was only rated 1400-1600 because that's Sakayanagi's skill, not Ayanokoji's.

  • @ONBAnimex
    @ONBAnimex Місяць тому +1

    1: 52 you can also move queen to 1 step up word that is more efficient than other moves . why are making critical . but nice video

  • @KingJH0510
    @KingJH0510 2 місяці тому

    After that episode i put that position into stockfish and was surprised to find that ayanokoji would have actually won with perfect play

  • @termisher5676
    @termisher5676 2 місяці тому +1

    I understand flashy move and why not just take free queen on start?

  • @daltonbooth2738
    @daltonbooth2738 Місяць тому

    2 things, 1. 2 amateurs were playing first for a while, and 2. in the ln I believe that they were taking like 5 seconds at most in between turns, they were essentially playing blitz against each other during their part and then ayanokoji got screwed over by the dude

  • @davidtusori9419
    @davidtusori9419 2 місяці тому

    They didnt played from the beginning, just after half the time is down. We need to understand what was the power level in the first half.

  • @gregorythestallion2984
    @gregorythestallion2984 Місяць тому

    Wait. So blacks moved Qg4 and then Qxf3. White didn't move? That or somethings else changed on the board and I didnt notice it.
    Also, I'm very low elo, so this might be a very silly question. Why didn't white take the with the bishop? I mean, the pawn seems to be pinned.

  • @Eklarensie
    @Eklarensie 2 місяці тому

    not surprised that the anime doesn't do justice for their match, but it doesn't matter in my head when I read the LN lol
    Horikita played E4 saying that it's the most reliable 1st move that she learned in a weak and playing Nf3 to reinforce it so I'd give some credit to the author for looking that up cuz it is a very standard and good move to play for a beginner.
    I also wished to see them enter a legitimate endgame tho. The LN mentioned that they entered endgame but the anime ends more in a mid game scenario. Still props to finding Qg5 in short time is a pretty sick move.

  • @anbunuz
    @anbunuz 2 місяці тому

    Finally someone said it. As a chess player myself I also noticed this mistakes that would happen around my level or even lower (my elo is 1400)

  • @Sky-bk8hu
    @Sky-bk8hu 2 місяці тому

    As someone that hasn’t fully read the on or manga nor seen the anime but has heard about the supposed lore of what was going on, based on what I’ve heard it seemed that they didn’t play this match out from the start but rather jumped in and took over a math that was already on going by 2 players that are approximately 1500s so they probably had a bad position when they jumped in and had to continue it from there. So might just be me but it is hard to come back from an already losing position especially if it’s 2 geniuses. And from what I’ve heard ayanokoji joined in later in the match meaning he had less time to turn the tables, not to mention the tampered communication device. But I’ve also heard that they supposedly had a second match (idk under what conditions) but ayanokoji wins the second one and was a better representation of their intellect, however I am unsure if it’s animated or just in ln.

    • @NevarKanzaki
      @NevarKanzaki 2 місяці тому

      It would be accurate only if those premises were true but it isn't. Ayanokoji actually had a pretty close to even at the start. Then he immediately makes his position much worse. Sakayanagi proceeds to blunder away a piece. Ayanokoji takes a position where he's a piece up and instead of ever finishing his development, consolidating, and winning, he grabs more material and throws away the game, getting into a position where Sakayanagi has her choice of 2 forced wins. She proceeds to do neither and instead choose to do something that results in throwing away the game. Not only is it a terrible move but it is one that makes Qg5 incredibly easy to find by the mate in 1 threat eliminating almost every other option. So if you just look at the 2-3 prospective moves, you only need to go about 2-3 moves deep to find the results of each. That's not very complicated at all.

    • @siema14123
      @siema14123 21 день тому

      @@NevarKanzaki I havent watched the entire game but having an open center and rooks still at the starting position screams low elo to me

    • @NevarKanzaki
      @NevarKanzaki 21 день тому

      @@siema14123 I'd bet on an 800 rated player to beat either or 10 out of 10 times.

  • @Litgaming776
    @Litgaming776 3 місяці тому

    Tsukushiro didnt just have one little room with 4 men inside to track everything... it was a huge server room trying to keep up with them. Atleast thats what it said in the Light Novel

  • @phantom7039
    @phantom7039 2 місяці тому +1

    I think that chairman iq is not at that lvl he was unable to neutralize that ayano move so he use to change that move and then sakyanagi didn't get the chance to play her move according to orignal ayanokozi's move so it's wrong to assume that she is not that genius 🤔

  • @Lohpezhoh
    @Lohpezhoh 2 місяці тому

    Maybe, and I'm putting a big IF, Sakayanagi thought Ayanokouji didn't have the time to calculate so Horikita moved herself (?) Idk. Either way thanks for the explanation!

  • @omnighostgaming3392
    @omnighostgaming3392 3 місяці тому

    Nice Video 🔥
    Sir i have two doubts i really hope you would explain this.
    1. What if white plays e8. How the match would go.
    2. If white plays Queen to g5 and Black plays Queen to f6. How the match will turn.
    Hope someone could explain.

  • @JJ-gb5j
    @JJ-gb5j 2 місяці тому +2

    (i'm new to chess here, so don't judge if if i'm wrong) at 0:24 can't sakayanagi move bishop f3? the pawn can't take back cuz it's pinned and its mate in 1

    • @Boris_Dyadyora
      @Boris_Dyadyora 2 місяці тому +3

      Yes, she can, and this would be a winning move

    • @JJ-gb5j
      @JJ-gb5j 2 місяці тому

      so why didn't she do it? i thought she is a genius@@Boris_Dyadyora

    • @Boris_Dyadyora
      @Boris_Dyadyora 2 місяці тому +2

      @@JJ-gb5j To be honest, because the authors screwed up

    • @Boris_Dyadyora
      @Boris_Dyadyora 2 місяці тому

      @@JJ-gb5j Оn my channel I also uploaded a video about this chess game, where I analyzed more than 23 of its moves. The bad news is that the video is in Russian

    • @JJ-gb5j
      @JJ-gb5j 2 місяці тому

      ig so🤣@@Boris_Dyadyora

  • @matninet0
    @matninet0 2 місяці тому +1

    In the novel the director changed all of his moves

  • @xmillusx5041
    @xmillusx5041 2 місяці тому

    Intelligence is more than able to play chess. The base Intelligence (G) help with kognitive tasks like playing chess, but that doesn't mean that someone withe higher IQ winns evry match, how often you play and if you have the Methods how to play is also relevant.