@@CasuallyHuman099 Nah thats too much. Compare the Specs to the 780m which was sometimes better, sometimes worse than the 1050 Ti. 780m -> 768 shading unites RDNA3, offen 2.2 to 2.7 GHz clock 890M -> 1024 shading unites RDNA3.5(Just a refresh), offen 2.4 to 2.9 GHz. Based on that I think it would be more a GTX 1650 competitor, also depends on the wattage the 890M can use.
@@CasuallyHuman099 Just to give you a perspective. My RTX 3050 8GB and Ryzen 5 5500 gets 200-250fps with gpu util at 40-60% with low settings and no fsr. Dota 2 180fps avg with comp settings. Horizon Forbidden West Medium settings and high textures without DLSS I get 55fps avg. In cyberpunk 2077 on high settings 1080p native without DLSS gets 55fps avg.
Hoping that when you benchmark CS2 for future videos, I hope you use de_ancient as the map cause the water there at terrorist spawn is the true test of 1% lows
It’s nice to see the computer in daylight instead of a bizarre shadowless hyper-nerd cave wrapped in soft neon colors among boxes of old processors like most channels. Neat. The gaming performance on these isn’t bad, but we’re likely to see far better with strix halo. The amazing thing is the raw compute these chips are capable of. That ser9 is 93% faster in multi core than an overclocked 9900k. Wild.
The problem with these things is I can easily find a laptop with a dedicated GPU that's faster and about the same price or cheaper. For APUs to make sense they need to start showing up in 6 or $700 devices
@@brulsmurf i think people expect too much from igpu nowadays, these mini pc cant even plays youtube back then, to be able to play cyberpunk is really rapid improvement from amd
Funny how AMD bought ATI, sold the mobile graphics unit to Qualcomm and now, their mobile graphics are so good, they make the Eclipse GPU'S for Samsung mobile phones.
Gaming laptop with a low end graphics card like a 4050 or 6600m cost less. It's nice to see the little PC but if you want portable or small form factor, I'd just buy a laptop.
@@asian_raisin Even 4060 laptops cost less. In France, a 890M laptop comes at mid-range 4070 laptop prices (1400-1800€, where you find Lenovo Legion 5-7 and other very good quality gaming laptops outside of overpriced MSI/ASUS). Depending on the time of the year, you can even find 4080 laptops in that price range (with 1080p monitors though).
But look how small it is. A full PC that only consumes a maximum of 54 Watts. I think it's great for those in a small space. Or if you want to fit it in a small space. Arm rest of a chair. Simple stand with a monitor on it, and this clipped on below. Nice little gaming rig you can play while lying in bed, on sofa. Gaming in the bath. Fit this behind a monitor, which is behind a glass pane. Sealed flat to tiles. I've seen a setup like this. He games in the bath. She watches TV and movies in the bath. 700 for a 2 person sized bath on Amazon. Omnitub. Really deep too. So you can float. You can have luxury bathing forever just for the cost of 1 holiday.
I'm not sure if these are usually intended primarily for gaming, they usually strike me as a computer for general work or school use with the reasonable performance in games being a nice bonus. Most people I know who have one have it because they want a tiny PC, not because they want to game on it.
Happy you started testing out different settings, for me any game on the ‘lowest’ look way too ‘flat’, and I don’t care about 60fps, 30 is totally fine with me with some upscaling on med/high settings :)
@stephenxs8354 That's literally why I'm saying he should hold on to it, as very few will be sold, making it rare. There will be no 40 CU version, Strix Halo will not even remotely fit in this form factor.
@@stephenxs8354They haven't disclosed the TDP of those Strix Halo chips yet, but it is probably going to be much higher than 54 watts. Which means the cooling solution won't fit in a mini PC this size, probably something more similar to a Hades Canyon NUC.
@maskedlibrarian1483 There are multiple Strix Point mini PC units, as in two. There are no Strix Halo mini PC units, not even a prototype that I have seen. The Strix Halo boards being developed are full laptop dimensions, with heatsink, pipes, fins to match wattage.
I feel like we need like 1 more generation before these devices can be proper low end GPU replacements. CPU wise we're there, but 1080p low 45-50fps isn't really there yet. I'm hoping that Strix Halo in a few months is that jump.
They say that phrase every few years lol, then manufacturers will release a 200$ gpu that is 4x the performance of that APU and the history keeps repeating itself
Strix Halo is going to be in like $2500+ laptops and $1500+ mini-PCs. It's supposed to compete in the same class as the M3 Pro, it's not replacing low end GPUs.
@@kurtwinter4422 I haven't researched the topic much, but the ThinkPad T14 AMD G3 is one. Not that I would ever in a million years recommend a thin Lenovo product, unless you get it for free, or are willing to do extensive, warranty-voiding physical mods to improve performance, or are comfortable operating it in windy, near-freezing or subzero environments, or if you only need it for light workloads...and I would never, ever recommend paying full price for one. They're awful. Their BIOS limitations are more awful.
Thats crazy to think I've been subscribed and checking in on your channel since 2015, that almost is 10 years! It's also surprising how far iGPUs have come since then, as I remember the days of AMD APUs 😅👍❤️
It's mental how much gaming has not progressed since we're still talking about games that came out 11 years ago, but at least gaming on integrated gfx is possible now.
These mini PCs are getting impressively performant for many gaming titles …… even newer ones 💪😳💪👍🥳! It will be interesting to see how these mini PCs are doing with newer generation iGPUs in the next decade or so 🥰😇💪
That's really cool. And if the new AI FSR turns out to be good and they implement it in games like Cyberpunk, this will further improve *quality and performance* for iGPUs as well
Got this mini PC earlier this week, really impressed so far. It's expensive for the performance alone, but it's tiny, well built, and even under full load (set to 65W) runs quiet and realtively cool. Also the EU charger is much smaller and similar style to a phone charger. It's not meant for gaming but it can runs most older titles on high settings and for newer titles can always use upscaling and frame gen. Currently playing Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth, runs perfectly fine. Great emulation performance too.
7 years ago I bought a Dell laptop with a dedicated 1050 4GB mobile for 800 bucks. It struggled to keep up with the latest titles at the time, such as Metro Exodus. It struggled with some Minecraft shaders as well. It’s amazing how far integrated GPUs have come.
The 780m equipped units were under $500 and under $400 for the barebones kits. Like every other flagship computer parts, they come at a cost. To be fair, the integrated graphics on this $900 unit certainly rivals some 1k dollar laptops
@@infochannel8705 not everything is about gaming, this thing has 3 nvme ports, tons of io. It's upgradeable minus the ram which doesn't need upgrades. Smaller form factor, better power use. You're worried about the price which is completely justified, but it competes with laptops for the cost.
80fps on starfield with no graphics card is a huge plus. You can add a desktop or egpu and have a wild combo. Who is out here buying mini PCs just for gaming tho?
@@madmod yeah 1k laptops or prebuilt computers crushes this not sure where your from. Back in the day I build a pc with the A10 7850k 8GB of ram and that pc was super super cheap. Again the idea was to get an APU and then later upgrade to a gpu if needed. These new AI chips definitely does not promote budget gamer as you can build a better system for cheaper.
There is a different perspective when it comes to buying Mini PCs that a lot don't see. Yes, I get it, some of them may seem a bit priced and you might think that I could get a beast of a PC for the same price... That is absolutely true, but here is the problem. Big PCs that are more than your needs will consume so much power costing you hefty electricity bills. That big PC will cost you twice its price over 2-3 years time. I had an average PC build before (ryzen 3700x + RX 5700) where I use it 7-10 hours daily. Recently I switched to a Mini PC that consume 10W when browsing and 50-60W when gaming. My electricity bill went down by ~$55. You see, I am saving that much on monthly bills, over 2 years time, that would be almost $1000 electricity money saved. So, I could buy a brand new Mini PC every year for $1000 and it would still be cheaper than buying a full tower PC. When you buy a monitor or PC, just think about their power consumption and it will make a difference to your life. If a powerful PC generating you money (you're youtuber or content creator) sure, go spend as much as you can. But for average user who does light gaming and mostly browsing/productivity. You really should look for efficiency. This Ryzen SER9 is what going to save you money. I personally have Ryzen SER8 and its doing everything I need. Temperature never go beyond 65 and this little thing is powerful as can be. I bought it 2nd hand (semi brand new! the previous owner used it for 2 months only) for $450. What do I do with the money I am saving? Well, I try to invest as much as I can slowly in funds and great stocks such as AMD, Nvidia, Google...etc. I am done wasting money on nonsense and bills. Cheers!
Agreed. For most users, something like this is more than enough. The efficiency and power you get with the HX 370 is beyond amazing. I wish more companies had stuff like this. Good on you for saving both money and power. Not many people are as informed.
@@joeykeilholz925you are too young to remember 64, xp and X2 being forefront in CPUs as a selling point. NPU is just future tech unappreciated with current needs.
Been wanting to see the performance of this iGPU from you! I'm probably gonna get an ASUS Zenbook S16 which has the same CPU and iGPU. Though I'll be running Linux on it. CPU performs better under Linux according to benchmarks. iGPU is also the same or better for the games that support Linux natively or via Proton. Btw, have you ever though about testing Windows vs Linux? That'd would actually fit well with your content I feel. There could be benefits since Linux tends to be more lightweight. It could especially be more important with lower end hardware. Linux has come a long way thanks to Proton.
@@RandomGaminginHD If your games are on Steam most of the time it's just pressing the play button, except for some online MP games (Forza and Halo Infinite works). Cyberpunk works better on linux then on Windows (same install) because I have more Vram available, I run medium textures on Windows and High textures on Linux.
@@Holycurative9610 I've a similar spec Gigabyte with a 3070 and core I7 13th Gen with 32GB of Ram and 2TB of storage. The 165HZ display is buttery smooth when playing games.
I think the part that blows my mind is, is that I ran a 1060 In cyberpunk. without FSR, I got maybe 50's at 1080p lowest. took quality FSR to hit that 60fps. and the fact this iGPU did that at native. That's pretty cool. I'd love to have one as my own personal Steam home console for the living room.
Would be great if we could get the 780m and a gtx1650 in a comparison video. Comparing the older gen integrated graphics would be really interesting to see how much the tech improved
Thanks for the video, any chance we can see native vs when you use upscale at the same settings - for example if you use FSR or DLSS with ultra performance and RT ultra preset, could you do a benchmark native res with the exact same settings so we see what gains are really had? I know it is more work but once in a while it would be great to see
The issue here is that this machine is for heavy use, this cost a lot. I really want one, If I can afford it because I use to do gaming on different places. Also a 900 dollars laptop can game better. This is because always the newest technology comes with an extra cost. Thank you, this was a very interesting pc review.
I think pushing the settings up and resolution down would be better. Also be nice if these types of devices had support with Chimera OS. Is this tested with Windows 10 or 11? 10 would be far better for performance.
If we recall the time when computers occupied entire rooms and access was limited to individuals in white coats, it makes one wonder how large such a machine would need to be to run Cyberpunk at the same settings and performance levels as today. The cost too.
I'm gonna keep saying it because it continues to be true: they need to pair this max spec igpu with a mid range cpu core that's actually reasonably priced. It makes absolutely no sense to only pair the highest end igpu with the highest end cpu cores since the highest end cpu cores benefit the most from a dgpu. $999USD prices this way past the basic dgpu mini pcs and laptops. And the price is revealed as totally absurd when you compare it to what else you can get like for $970 you can get the same ram amount of ram and storage but with a 12900h and a 4060 which absolutely blasts this thing out of the water in gaming performance.
I agree entirely, valve saw this with the steam deck and it's bang per buck for games is still splended today because they leaned more into the GPU than the CPU.
For PC gamers 30FPS is acceptable. for console it is a luxury. You need to remember the price though, at $1000 you can build a custom gaming PC that will destroy this in gaming
@@infochannel8705 Maybe, but I'm a PC gamer who's always played on integrated GPUs at far lower than 30 frames per second; never had a problem with any of it.
Since the CPUs that get paired with the highest end iGPUs are still way overkill, if they want to make budget dGPUs obsolete, they'll need to lower the price by pairing the top end iGPUs with smaller 6/8 core processors.
I think for most demanding 3D games there are too many compromises in place to get a working frame-rate with acceptable fidelity - these Mini PCs are "still" ideally suited to low profile work set-ups and on the gaming side, less demanding games / emulation. They are a bit pricey for gaming still, so on a budget, may as well just pick up the Series S and have a better overall experience.
How much RAM can be utilized by the GPU? Is the RAM upgradable? If the asnwer to both is YES, then I can see some LLM potential in it. At least for the models around 20-30b parameters.
I cant wait to see Strix Halo in this form factor, sure it will be clocked lower to stay within the TDP limitation, but quad channel with over 20 CUs is going to be good. Also of note, i have my 8700g running at 8000 in 1:1 with MCLK and 2:1 with FCLK/UCLK Going to try to get some DDR5 10,000 and see if my FCLK/UCLK will still do 1:1. Pretty sure FCLK will, it kept trying to run at 2400/2500 on 8000 despite my manually setting it to 2000, my worry is UCLK, when i tried going to DDR5 8800 it didnt run, i dont know if it was my 8000 RAM kit not liking my settings, but i was already seeing FCLK at 2400, and manually setting MCLK, FCLK, and UCLK at 2200 wouldnt post
I'd like to see you compare this to the Minisforum HX99G because i am debating between this system and that one and also just saying but the only demanding game i pretty much own at the moment is Cyberpunk 2077 and Witcher 3.
I really wish they had used the 890m in the new Ally X. I had the original and just got the Ally X and the upgrade to 24 gig and better cooling has made a big difference but those cyberpunk numbers looked impressive.
I wish they had one that had enough room for a 4K UHD drive. I'm an old head with tons of physical media though. It could replace my Mac mini + Panasonic UHD player in the living room. Less is more 🤷♀️
Definitely a great technological feat and would certainly be a great fit for ultrabooks. But for a bang for buck perspective... not even close. Even a sub £100 rx 580 could do better, added with some other last gen parts it would still costs much less overall.
just bought SER7 for my office pc, they released two generations within a year. maxed out my ser7 with 64gb, freely to increase the VRAM, added kind of LPDDR thing is such a big let down, and it's way expensive.
the 890m is simply bandwidth starved, its why the z1 igpu does not lose proportional performance vs the z1 extreme igpu, because the 780m was already bandwidth starved and this 890m is on the same bus with and system , its also wattage starved kind of , try disabling the zen C cores
I can't wait for the strix halo apu's to come out, the most powerful of the two being rtx 4070 and rtx 4060 equivalents. Imagine the kinds of mini itx systems you could make without a graphics card given how small the velka 3 is, and that 4L case supports a dedicated gpu.
@@arch1107 An APU with performance like 3060ti would be crazy good. Finally u could place this Mini PC to your 4k Oled TV and play Super Mario Kart 8 Deluxe in 4K 120FPS. Ok enough dreaming :D
You tried to see how far you can push it using frame generation and upscaling software of various kinds? There are also DXVK solutions for some games to convert DX9 to DX11 API into Vulkan, but it's for specific niche cases like where huge sums of draw calls bogs down the api. Not as useful for Elden Ring btw since if you use online it doesn't like it if you mess with any of the files. Elden Ring might require you to use AMD Adrenaline tweaks to enable frame gen 2.0 with their super resolution functions.
I'll have to retest my Arc A380 gpu but this seems like its performing better than that. Granted it has been a few months since I have tested, but this is very impressive nonetheless
5:58 this is most likely due to Naughty Dog tweaking how FSR works in their engine, the update to FSR 3 itself doesn’t enable any improvements to image quality over FSR 2.1/2.2, it just adds support for the frame interpolation / generation component
simple, fsr is a upscaling technology, fake resolution, nothing beats real resolution, you want real resolution, do not adopt fsr or dlss, it is a fake result
Nope. I tried VR with a RX6600 on a Pico4 and well games like Resident Evil 7 had crazy FPS issues. I mean u need almost 4k Resolution for Quest 3 or Pico 4 VR. And u know what does this mean ... RTX4080 is the way to go. Ofc u can play Beatsaber VR with an APU.
G'day Random, It is AMZING what AMD is getting from their APU/Laptop Graphics... the sad thing is you can't get these new Gen 12/16 CU IGPs that perform like an RX570/580 in an R3 at £100-£150 as they would be a very capable cheap Gaming PC, instead R3 is stuck with the 😞4CU😞 & performance only matching GT1030.
Such a shame they are only bundled with high-end processors. The market where the GPU would be the bottleneck (gaming) is very large. Pair this with a 3-class processor and you've got yourself a seller.
We absolutely need a comparison with the GTX 1650! Crazy how far IGPUs have come.
I think gtx 1660 or rtx 3050 6gb are equal to this
@@CasuallyHuman099 Nah thats too much. Compare the Specs to the 780m which was sometimes better, sometimes worse than the 1050 Ti.
780m -> 768 shading unites RDNA3, offen 2.2 to 2.7 GHz clock
890M -> 1024 shading unites RDNA3.5(Just a refresh), offen 2.4 to 2.9 GHz.
Based on that I think it would be more a GTX 1650 competitor, also depends on the wattage the 890M can use.
or how much Nvidia scams customers with their “premium” prices
@@CasuallyHuman099 Just to give you a perspective. My RTX 3050 8GB and Ryzen 5 5500 gets 200-250fps with gpu util at 40-60% with low settings and no fsr. Dota 2 180fps avg with comp settings. Horizon Forbidden West Medium settings and high textures without DLSS I get 55fps avg. In cyberpunk 2077 on high settings 1080p native without DLSS gets 55fps avg.
@@timsrama7578 Oh ok thanks for the details
Love how even though they sent it to you for testing, you clearly keep it real about the price and alternative products.
Hoping that when you benchmark CS2 for future videos, I hope you use de_ancient as the map cause the water there at terrorist spawn is the true test of 1% lows
Ah ok I will keep that in mind :)
LOL
9:06
What about Valorant
Says who?
It’s nice to see the computer in daylight instead of a bizarre shadowless hyper-nerd cave wrapped in soft neon colors among boxes of old processors like most channels. Neat.
The gaming performance on these isn’t bad, but we’re likely to see far better with strix halo. The amazing thing is the raw compute these chips are capable of. That ser9 is 93% faster in multi core than an overclocked 9900k. Wild.
The problem with these things is I can easily find a laptop with a dedicated GPU that's faster and about the same price or cheaper. For APUs to make sense they need to start showing up in 6 or $700 devices
he said this also
They all have price premium at the start so did 780m. This same time next year it should be half current.
Yeah, these can't compete in gaming.
@@brulsmurf i think people expect too much from igpu nowadays, these mini pc cant even plays youtube back then, to be able to play cyberpunk is really rapid improvement from amd
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 The price is high, so people expect something in return.
Funny how AMD bought ATI, sold the mobile graphics unit to Qualcomm and now, their mobile graphics are so good, they make the Eclipse GPU'S for Samsung mobile phones.
The Future Is Fusion.
Well yeah. Because it's only mobile in name.
It's still a decent APU, but it's not cut down compared to desktop APU
I like these mini-PCs, especially for retro gaming. Would like to see more older games played along with modern games.
$999 is very expensive for a budget system.
Maybe in a few years they'll hover around $400, by then ARM will have some strong solutions.
Gaming laptop with a low end graphics card like a 4050 or 6600m cost less. It's nice to see the little PC but if you want portable or small form factor, I'd just buy a laptop.
@@asian_raisin Even 4060 laptops cost less. In France, a 890M laptop comes at mid-range 4070 laptop prices (1400-1800€, where you find Lenovo Legion 5-7 and other very good quality gaming laptops outside of overpriced MSI/ASUS). Depending on the time of the year, you can even find 4080 laptops in that price range (with 1080p monitors though).
But look how small it is. A full PC that only consumes a maximum of 54 Watts.
I think it's great for those in a small space.
Or if you want to fit it in a small space.
Arm rest of a chair.
Simple stand with a monitor on it, and this clipped on below. Nice little gaming rig you can play while lying in bed, on sofa.
Gaming in the bath. Fit this behind a monitor, which is behind a glass pane. Sealed flat to tiles. I've seen a setup like this.
He games in the bath. She watches TV and movies in the bath.
700 for a 2 person sized bath on Amazon. Omnitub. Really deep too. So you can float.
You can have luxury bathing forever just for the cost of 1 holiday.
I'm not sure if these are usually intended primarily for gaming, they usually strike me as a computer for general work or school use with the reasonable performance in games being a nice bonus. Most people I know who have one have it because they want a tiny PC, not because they want to game on it.
who said this is budget, this is mini pc, not budget pc
The only thing holding it back at the moment is the price at the current asking price it's a bit much for a APU only system
Yeah unless you REALLY want this form factor
@@RandomGaminginHDEven then its not worth it, you can get an M1 mini cheaper and/or build an itx gaming pc which is slightly bigger
@@lnfinyx getting an M1 is not at all recommended for gaming they are so poor at it
Happy you started testing out different settings, for me any game on the ‘lowest’ look way too ‘flat’, and I don’t care about 60fps, 30 is totally fine with me with some upscaling on med/high settings :)
Hold onto this unit. These Strix Point mini PCs will be as rare as hen's teeth.
Not at the current price premium. The real deal is the future 40CU version.
@stephenxs8354 That's literally why I'm saying he should hold on to it, as very few will be sold, making it rare. There will be no 40 CU version, Strix Halo will not even remotely fit in this form factor.
@@stephenxs8354They haven't disclosed the TDP of those Strix Halo chips yet, but it is probably going to be much higher than 54 watts. Which means the cooling solution won't fit in a mini PC this size, probably something more similar to a Hades Canyon NUC.
@@dualpapayas from what I saw there's going to be multiple SKU.
The highest one was 120w if I'm not mistaken
@maskedlibrarian1483 There are multiple Strix Point mini PC units, as in two. There are no Strix Halo mini PC units, not even a prototype that I have seen. The Strix Halo boards being developed are full laptop dimensions, with heatsink, pipes, fins to match wattage.
I feel like we need like 1 more generation before these devices can be proper low end GPU replacements. CPU wise we're there, but 1080p low 45-50fps isn't really there yet. I'm hoping that Strix Halo in a few months is that jump.
Yeah I hope so. They’ve come so far already
They say that phrase every few years lol, then manufacturers will release a 200$ gpu that is 4x the performance of that APU and the history keeps repeating itself
Strix Halo is going to be in like $2500+ laptops and $1500+ mini-PCs. It's supposed to compete in the same class as the M3 Pro, it's not replacing low end GPUs.
You'll be saying this in 5 years
Anything above 30 fps is playable, but with that price tag it's dead on arrival
Now if only there was a laptop with this iGPU for less than $500
The CPU with this iGPU probably cost 500 bucks when the laptop manufacturers buy it from AMD
@@MCMonsterbuilderThe only laptops with 680m I ever saw all had Nvidia dGPUs and $900+ pricetags, most over $1200. Which defeats the purpose.
paid 1000 euros for my laptop with this CPU/iGPU which comes with a 16 inch OLED screen too. Tbf why would you expect it for 500?
@@NeagoeNarcisI bought acer nitro v16 3050 for 500$
@@kurtwinter4422 I haven't researched the topic much, but the ThinkPad T14 AMD G3 is one. Not that I would ever in a million years recommend a thin Lenovo product, unless you get it for free, or are willing to do extensive, warranty-voiding physical mods to improve performance, or are comfortable operating it in windy, near-freezing or subzero environments, or if you only need it for light workloads...and I would never, ever recommend paying full price for one. They're awful. Their BIOS limitations are more awful.
Thats crazy to think I've been subscribed and checking in on your channel since 2015, that almost is 10 years! It's also surprising how far iGPUs have come since then, as I remember the days of AMD APUs 😅👍❤️
It's mental how much gaming has not progressed since we're still talking about games that came out 11 years ago, but at least gaming on integrated gfx is possible now.
That's because gaming companies love that sweet sweet exclusive money. So PC gets tons of games Years Later. To us they are relatively new lol.
Blame Shark Cards.GTA VI would have come years ago if V hadn't turned into an infinite money glitch.
@@naamadossantossilva4736it's your society's fault for not shaming gambling nor getting legislative restrictions nationwide.
Thank you for talking about the price. Some channels behave as if money doesn't matter.
Never Stop doing the garden B-roll
These mini PCs are getting impressively performant for many gaming titles …… even newer ones 💪😳💪👍🥳! It will be interesting to see how these mini PCs are doing with newer generation iGPUs in the next decade or so 🥰😇💪
appreciate that you used the most demanding 3rd act area of Baldur's Gate
I am so happy I waited to order my 780m equipped minisforum pc now that these are coming out.
That's nice but come on now, that price is way too much for that performance!
Garden colours looking great!
A comparison with an entry level dGPU would be nice.
Hear me out, I would like to see Pascal vs this iGPU XD
That's really cool. And if the new AI FSR turns out to be good and they implement it in games like Cyberpunk, this will further improve *quality and performance* for iGPUs as well
Got this mini PC earlier this week, really impressed so far. It's expensive for the performance alone, but it's tiny, well built, and even under full load (set to 65W) runs quiet and realtively cool. Also the EU charger is much smaller and similar style to a phone charger. It's not meant for gaming but it can runs most older titles on high settings and for newer titles can always use upscaling and frame gen. Currently playing Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth, runs perfectly fine. Great emulation performance too.
7 years ago I bought a Dell laptop with a dedicated 1050 4GB mobile for 800 bucks. It struggled to keep up with the latest titles at the time, such as Metro Exodus. It struggled with some Minecraft shaders as well. It’s amazing how far integrated GPUs have come.
These Igpus used to be a budget option to get into gaming but these machines are just as expensive as just building a normal pc 🤦♂️
The 780m equipped units were under $500 and under $400 for the barebones kits. Like every other flagship computer parts, they come at a cost. To be fair, the integrated graphics on this $900 unit certainly rivals some 1k dollar laptops
@@madmod $1000. In gaming? hell no. At least in my country, you can get RTX 3060 laptop and it absolutely destroy this iGPU in gaming
@@infochannel8705 not everything is about gaming, this thing has 3 nvme ports, tons of io. It's upgradeable minus the ram which doesn't need upgrades. Smaller form factor, better power use. You're worried about the price which is completely justified, but it competes with laptops for the cost.
80fps on starfield with no graphics card is a huge plus. You can add a desktop or egpu and have a wild combo. Who is out here buying mini PCs just for gaming tho?
@@madmod yeah 1k laptops or prebuilt computers crushes this not sure where your from. Back in the day I build a pc with the A10 7850k 8GB of ram and that pc was super super cheap. Again the idea was to get an APU and then later upgrade to a gpu if needed. These new AI chips definitely does not promote budget gamer as you can build a better system for cheaper.
The performance is impressive, but the price is bit too high. You could buy a decent gameing PC with the similary price.
Can't wait for strix halo! This is already veeery nice though
There is a different perspective when it comes to buying Mini PCs that a lot don't see.
Yes, I get it, some of them may seem a bit priced and you might think that I could get a beast of a PC for the same price... That is absolutely true, but here is the problem. Big PCs that are more than your needs will consume so much power costing you hefty electricity bills. That big PC will cost you twice its price over 2-3 years time.
I had an average PC build before (ryzen 3700x + RX 5700) where I use it 7-10 hours daily. Recently I switched to a Mini PC that consume 10W when browsing and 50-60W when gaming. My electricity bill went down by ~$55. You see, I am saving that much on monthly bills, over 2 years time, that would be almost $1000 electricity money saved. So, I could buy a brand new Mini PC every year for $1000 and it would still be cheaper than buying a full tower PC. When you buy a monitor or PC, just think about their power consumption and it will make a difference to your life.
If a powerful PC generating you money (you're youtuber or content creator) sure, go spend as much as you can. But for average user who does light gaming and mostly browsing/productivity. You really should look for efficiency. This Ryzen SER9 is what going to save you money. I personally have Ryzen SER8 and its doing everything I need. Temperature never go beyond 65 and this little thing is powerful as can be. I bought it 2nd hand (semi brand new! the previous owner used it for 2 months only) for $450.
What do I do with the money I am saving? Well, I try to invest as much as I can slowly in funds and great stocks such as AMD, Nvidia, Google...etc. I am done wasting money on nonsense and bills.
Cheers!
Only cares ppl in europe, nobody else cares about energy prices. Because all other contrys in the would have cheap energy.
@@excite6501 I am from the middle east and I do care a lot
Agreed. For most users, something like this is more than enough. The efficiency and power you get with the HX 370 is beyond amazing. I wish more companies had stuff like this.
Good on you for saving both money and power. Not many people are as informed.
@@excite6501 European here, electricity is dirt cheap.
Shame it doesnt have oculink for egpu :/
Yeah would be a great addition
Oculink is nice but i would prefer the way Beelink went with their GTI Series. PCI-E 4 x8 direct connection is way better as Oculink.
the price is a joke
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@@joeykeilholz925you are too young to remember 64, xp and X2 being forefront in CPUs as a selling point. NPU is just future tech unappreciated with current needs.
Because mini pc are expensive..the cheapest you can get are come with pathetic intel celeron cpu from brand GMKtec. 😄
7:33 Judging by these BG3 numbers 890M performance is around RX 580 or 1650 Super.
You can OC the RAM to 8000 MT/s , tighten the timings and allocate more RAM as VRAM. This will improve the performance of APU.
Been wanting to see the performance of this iGPU from you! I'm probably gonna get an ASUS Zenbook S16 which has the same CPU and iGPU. Though I'll be running Linux on it. CPU performs better under Linux according to benchmarks. iGPU is also the same or better for the games that support Linux natively or via Proton.
Btw, have you ever though about testing Windows vs Linux? That'd would actually fit well with your content I feel. There could be benefits since Linux tends to be more lightweight. It could especially be more important with lower end hardware. Linux has come a long way thanks to Proton.
Yeah been meaning to familiarise myself with Linux for a long time
@RandomGaminginHD Familiarize? You are a low-spec channel. You should have started at Linux.
@@RandomGaminginHDI would recommend chris titus's yt channel guide on linux and light weight os such as arch and opensuse
@@RandomGaminginHD If your games are on Steam most of the time it's just pressing the play button, except for some online MP games (Forza and Halo Infinite works). Cyberpunk works better on linux then on Windows (same install) because I have more Vram available, I run medium textures on Windows and High textures on Linux.
I love it! Will get one just for retro gaming ❤
$1,000+?
I could get a gaming laptop for a fraction of that price with double or triple the performance.
He didn’t ask you would u like to buy one
@@fresco_dinero5155 He doesn't need to ask because I'm making an obvious statement.
I did, an Acer Predator with a 3070 (175W) and an i9-11th gen, I can upgrade ram and storage too....
@@Holycurative9610 I've a similar spec Gigabyte with a 3070 and core I7 13th Gen with 32GB of Ram and 2TB of storage. The 165HZ display is buttery smooth when playing games.
@@fresco_dinero5155 I wouldn't use one if it was given to me for free... I don't need another weaker, less capable PC.
That thing growing on the fence made me think of Triffids.
10:42 When a Brit simply can’t curb his "Britishness"💂 🫖🍵😆
Not a big enough improvement over the 780m. Hopefully the z1 extreme has better improvementz
Dont expect to much. I would say we hit like 90% of possible performance with silicon chips. This 10% more will not do much imo.
Strix Halo mini pcs will be fire
2000$ only
$1500+ for sure, the die is larger = more expensive, and with the AI stuff AMD will ask lots of money to OEM.
Most people that get these get them for emulation. Definitely cool to see AAA games running though
This could be an insane hackintosh
I think the part that blows my mind is, is that I ran a 1060 In cyberpunk. without FSR, I got maybe 50's at 1080p lowest. took quality FSR to hit that 60fps. and the fact this iGPU did that at native. That's pretty cool. I'd love to have one as my own personal Steam home console for the living room.
Cant wait for the desktop Strix its suppose to have 40 CU's which will be insane!!
it would be nice to see how much energy this small form factor pc's are using!
I wonder if someone at Beelink is a Nissan fan considering all their gaming focused mini PCs are named after performance trims.
Would be great if we could get the 780m and a gtx1650 in a comparison video.
Comparing the older gen integrated graphics would be really interesting to see how much the tech improved
That’s a funny looking 2009 Mac mini
Thanks for the video, any chance we can see native vs when you use upscale at the same settings - for example if you use FSR or DLSS with ultra performance and RT ultra preset, could you do a benchmark native res with the exact same settings so we see what gains are really had? I know it is more work but once in a while it would be great to see
Can you include Tekken 8 in your tests, because Mini PCs are interesting for playing locally with friends?
Not worth it at all imo it's to much when you can build a 2080 ti PC for 500 USD with all new parts other than a the GPU and it'll do much better.
Yeah can’t beat a custom build!
The small form factor is the main selling point i believe. Pretty good performance for something smaller than a mac mini.
The issue here is that this machine is for heavy use, this cost a lot.
I really want one, If I can afford it because I use to do gaming on different places.
Also a 900 dollars laptop can game better. This is because always the newest technology comes with an extra cost.
Thank you, this was a very interesting pc review.
I think pushing the settings up and resolution down would be better.
Also be nice if these types of devices had support with Chimera OS.
Is this tested with Windows 10 or 11?
10 would be far better for performance.
If we recall the time when computers occupied entire rooms and access was limited to individuals in white coats, it makes one wonder how large such a machine would need to be to run Cyberpunk at the same settings and performance levels as today. The cost too.
I'm gonna keep saying it because it continues to be true: they need to pair this max spec igpu with a mid range cpu core that's actually reasonably priced. It makes absolutely no sense to only pair the highest end igpu with the highest end cpu cores since the highest end cpu cores benefit the most from a dgpu. $999USD prices this way past the basic dgpu mini pcs and laptops. And the price is revealed as totally absurd when you compare it to what else you can get like for $970 you can get the same ram amount of ram and storage but with a 12900h and a 4060 which absolutely blasts this thing out of the water in gaming performance.
I agree entirely, valve saw this with the steam deck and it's bang per buck for games is still splended today because they leaned more into the GPU than the CPU.
Its the selling point to pair the highend cpu + gpu. From consumer perspektiv its bad, but they dont care.
1000$/ euros ...no thanks.
oh, come on, it has tiny speakers at the bottom of the unit, so you dont hear the fan!
Did he ask you if u were gonna buy one?
That's crazy! amd has always been my favorite.
Can you please make a video about the new intel 200 series iGPUs? Would love to see that!
cant wait for rdna 4 apus, hopefully it has better efficiency than rdna 3 since it was so barebones
30 FPS is a luxury, 'acceptable' is not even a word for this.
For PC gamers 30FPS is acceptable. for console it is a luxury. You need to remember the price though, at $1000 you can build a custom gaming PC that will destroy this in gaming
30fps is only even accepted on controller. For mouse and keyboard it feels like crap.
@@infochannel8705 Maybe, but I'm a PC gamer who's always played on integrated GPUs at far lower than 30 frames per second; never had a problem with any of it.
That's pretty impressive for a PC of that size, shame about the price....
Thats great mini pc
As you said, for that price, you can build a more powerful PC.
Since the CPUs that get paired with the highest end iGPUs are still way overkill, if they want to make budget dGPUs obsolete, they'll need to lower the price by pairing the top end iGPUs with smaller 6/8 core processors.
Really impressive
Is one heck of a game cube.
Wished the AMD Ryzen 7 8700G desktop CPU graphics was as powerful.
8700g might actually have same fps as hx370
their igpu getting too fast for their mobile cpu to keep up
i expect 9700g to have twice or even thrice hx370 perf with oc and other desktop pc optimization
This is only cannibalized by Strix Halo coming in a good quarter from now.
I think for most demanding 3D games there are too many compromises in place to get a working frame-rate with acceptable fidelity - these Mini PCs are "still" ideally suited to low profile work set-ups and on the gaming side, less demanding games / emulation. They are a bit pricey for gaming still, so on a budget, may as well just pick up the Series S and have a better overall experience.
How much RAM can be utilized by the GPU? Is the RAM upgradable? If the asnwer to both is YES, then I can see some LLM potential in it. At least for the models around 20-30b parameters.
usually half of system RAM (16GB in this case), LPDDR5X IS NOT upgradable
I cant wait to see Strix Halo in this form factor, sure it will be clocked lower to stay within the TDP limitation, but quad channel with over 20 CUs is going to be good.
Also of note, i have my 8700g running at 8000 in 1:1 with MCLK and 2:1 with FCLK/UCLK
Going to try to get some DDR5 10,000 and see if my FCLK/UCLK will still do 1:1. Pretty sure FCLK will, it kept trying to run at 2400/2500 on 8000 despite my manually setting it to 2000, my worry is UCLK, when i tried going to DDR5 8800 it didnt run, i dont know if it was my 8000 RAM kit not liking my settings, but i was already seeing FCLK at 2400, and manually setting MCLK, FCLK, and UCLK at 2200 wouldnt post
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Ngl, this is impressive for an igpu. Wouldn't change my 6900xt for it but it would be an amazing living room pc/console. Steam link and you're sorted
Cool but I wish it was more affordable.
I see it as a little home server .
I'd like to see you compare this to the Minisforum HX99G because i am debating between this system and that one and also just saying but the only demanding game i pretty much own at the moment is Cyberpunk 2077 and Witcher 3.
I really wish they had used the 890m in the new Ally X. I had the original and just got the Ally X and the upgrade to 24 gig and better cooling has made a big difference but those cyberpunk numbers looked impressive.
I wish they had one that had enough room for a 4K UHD drive. I'm an old head with tons of physical media though. It could replace my Mac mini + Panasonic UHD player in the living room. Less is more 🤷♀️
If you lock your framerate to 30 on the ones with severe dips, it can help, I've got an a380 and it does make a little smoother experiance.
Definitely a great technological feat and would certainly be a great fit for ultrabooks. But for a bang for buck perspective... not even close. Even a sub £100 rx 580 could do better, added with some other last gen parts it would still costs much less overall.
Arc 2xx series iGpu is on this level as well.
Waiting for comparison with lunar lake
What a beast!
just bought SER7 for my office pc, they released two generations within a year. maxed out my ser7 with 64gb, freely to increase the VRAM, added kind of LPDDR thing is such a big let down, and it's way expensive.
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Me watching in 480p: 😑
the 890m is simply bandwidth starved, its why the z1 igpu does not lose proportional performance vs the z1 extreme igpu, because the 780m was already bandwidth starved and this 890m is on the same bus with and system , its also wattage starved kind of , try disabling the zen C cores
I can't wait for the strix halo apu's to come out, the most powerful of the two being rtx 4070 and rtx 4060 equivalents. Imagine the kinds of mini itx systems you could make without a graphics card given how small the velka 3 is, and that 4L case supports a dedicated gpu.
if the price like $1500 or $2000 buying a custom build will get you much more
the apu is not equivalente to those gpus, perhaps on laptops, at best it will be like a rtx 3060ti
@@arch1107 An APU with performance like 3060ti would be crazy good. Finally u could place this Mini PC to your 4k Oled TV and play Super Mario Kart 8 Deluxe in 4K 120FPS. Ok enough dreaming :D
It looks like a Mac Mini lol
Yeah I’m getting those vibes!
You tried to see how far you can push it using frame generation and upscaling software of various kinds? There are also DXVK solutions for some games to convert DX9 to DX11 API into Vulkan, but it's for specific niche cases like where huge sums of draw calls bogs down the api.
Not as useful for Elden Ring btw since if you use online it doesn't like it if you mess with any of the files.
Elden Ring might require you to use AMD Adrenaline tweaks to enable frame gen 2.0 with their super resolution functions.
This supports AFMF right? would be interesting to see how that runs with AFMF on games like BG3, TLOU, RDR2, and Cyberpunk.
I'll have to retest my Arc A380 gpu but this seems like its performing better than that. Granted it has been a few months since I have tested, but this is very impressive nonetheless
5:58 this is most likely due to Naughty Dog tweaking how FSR works in their engine, the update to FSR 3 itself doesn’t enable any improvements to image quality over FSR 2.1/2.2, it just adds support for the frame interpolation / generation component
why not using fsr 3 on cyberpunk 2077? it helps to eliminate the car ghosting
simple, fsr is a upscaling technology, fake resolution, nothing beats real resolution, you want real resolution, do not adopt fsr or dlss, it is a fake result
Next : VR with the new Radeon 890M iGPU!
Nope. I tried VR with a RX6600 on a Pico4 and well games like Resident Evil 7 had crazy FPS issues. I mean u need almost 4k Resolution for Quest 3 or Pico 4 VR. And u know what does this mean ... RTX4080 is the way to go. Ofc u can play Beatsaber VR with an APU.
G'day Random,
It is AMZING what AMD is getting from their APU/Laptop Graphics...
the sad thing is you can't get these new Gen 12/16 CU IGPs that perform like an RX570/580 in an R3 at £100-£150 as they would be a very capable cheap Gaming PC,
instead R3 is stuck with the 😞4CU😞 & performance only matching GT1030.
Its better than buying consoles
Plays cyberpunk better than my 1650 lol
Such a shame they are only bundled with high-end processors. The market where the GPU would be the bottleneck (gaming) is very large. Pair this with a 3-class processor and you've got yourself a seller.