2020 Honda Africa Twin - Standard Manual vs. Adventure Sports DCT | Review
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2020
- We finally got our hands on the new Honda Africa Twin. And since it's our first ride with this bike, we made a mostly on-road trip, with some travel here and there. And we got two extremely different versions: the basic standard manual vs. the Adventure Sports DCT.
Here's the price list - prices may be different depending on the market:
CRF1100L - standard, manual: €14.500 de euro
CRF1100L - standard, DCT: €15.690
CRF1100L Adventure Sports: €16.490
CRF1100L Adventure Sports ES - electronic suspension: €18.490
CRF1100L Adventure Sports ES + DCT: €19.590
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I’m just watching all the back issues of you guys presenting your tests. I loved you two guys and your presentations and the work you put into them. Yesterday I found out the tragic news about your loss of such a genuinely good guy. A big loss and still keep thinking about the joy of watching you both in such an entertaining way.
My best wishes in your loss.
I finally got my Africa twin 2020 dct with ES
thank you Christian for making us dream through all your videos..
you've been an inspiration for me
I wish I could speak to you when i saw you at Eicma few years ago
miss you 🖤🙏🏽
You guys sound honest and are funny at the same time. My girlfriend laughed a lot hearing you and now she knows about Africa Twin bike cause of you. Subscribed. 😀
Thank you so much guys for your "second to none" videos and content and just as much for your perfect English. You are as good as it gets in quality reviews and as so, invaluable as I'm looking at both ATs and your opinions are extremely helpful.
To be able to do this all the time as part of one's job is priceless..
Yes. But I bet these guys don't enjoy the ride after all the immense anxiety of being mouths waiting to leave. Anyways I would trade it with my profession every day...just enviose (to a very high degree).
I've been hooked on watching your videos from the USA. What a beautiful country, motorcycling riding and great reviews.
Welcome aboard!
I was waiting for this review for so looooooong. Finally!
The cornering lights coming on in turns was great to look at
Firstly guys, the videography was superb and really dynamic. For such a low budget production you guys are onto a winning formula. I felt right there with you and part of the play. Bloody well done.... I've got an all black 2019 and for touring and 20% off road its the cats pyjamas's. The little manual under the seat gives me a comprehensive how to ...... for the need to knows.
Hi guys. Thank you very much for these impressions and the comparison of the two different Africa Twins. Because of your review and your personal decisions for the Africa Twin Standard with manual gearbox I will buy this version, but an older used one from 2018. Best regards from Southwest Germany to you. Jörg
Thanks guys. Was waiting for this video from long time...
since writing my comment i have just discovered that this gentleman has had a bad accident and past away because of the injuries ? , my heart felt condolences to his family and friends .
Top review. I have the older version, but might consider upgrading after this. Keep up the excellent work! Multumesc!
I really enjoyed another great videos from you.
Big Thanks from USA !
For me is the adventure sports the most beautiful adventure bike on the market.
Markus R.
Certainly very practical and can take you anywhere.
@@snozzybosch7503 i know but its too expensive for me 😞
KTM is better.
@@98durangopack ktm styling is absolutely not my taste
@@98durangopack ktm looks hideous. I am not brand loyal. If they changed the styling away from that weird insect look I'd be all over the 790 adventure.
Thanks, was looking for a comparison of the two models 🙏🙏👌
You guys are the best, what a great review.
Well done guys. Terrific review. Stay safe.
Good review, I’d have the Adventure Sport ES manual, had a ride on one and the new motor and electronic suspension is awesome, its also a great looking bike too.
With enduro , you know where you start but you never know where you endup ❤
You just described the feeling i get when im offroading !
best guys on the planet ! thx for this review !
Nice video! I like the fact that you can keep the traction control on and still wheelie when you want/need to!
Thanks. We had to turn it off for the wheelie.
@@DriveMagRiders On the US version there is 3 level wheelie control, independent of traction control settings.
These dudes are becoming my favorite bike guys.
2:12 that "aaa...aaaaaaahhhhhhh"🤣🤣🤣
Great vlog guys. One of my best go to sites and I am English.
I bought an Africa twin standard,gonna pick it up this Thursday,so hyped.
Was it worth it? No doubt it was.
kind of nice to ride on empty roads... stay healthy during lockdown and ride safe! nice review as usuall
Given the recent issues that you've apparently had with some manually adjustable suspension ADV bikes and the wide range of bikes tested and available possibly:
1- Point out that for many people they will have to seek assistance to get manually adjustable suspension set up and that it does always require resetting when the bike weight is altered by a passenger or panniers or when changing from smooth paved roads to rough trails. This when compared to electronic suspension.
2- Point out the not so great difference in price when a basic bike is then equipped for doing things other than basic compared to a well equipped bike.
3- Report on the adjustability or otherwise of most bikes to suit different riders. Most bikes don't have much adjustment range when compared to cars - why not? Would we accept the same lack of seating and wheel adjustability when buying a car - I doubt it!
Keep up the good work and thank you!
Niall Leslie.
Great video guys. well done. To me it seemed that your major issue was with the tft screen, but I think its kind of the same when buying a new phone. You spend some time on it and its easy. You really shold have read the manual first, its far not as complicated as it seems. I love this bike , especially the ATAS dct es. Perfect as it is.
Thanks guys,
Great video
I will also get the standard model, as you mentioned, lighter and more fun and nimble
Great review, excellent standard chaps 👍
Another great video guys 👍
Thanks 👍
Always love this channel ...drive you young men !!! Love from Assam, India.
Awesome video! Thanks for the education!!
Great video from you lads once again 👍🏻😀 look forward to seeing some adventure trip vids from you sometime soon.
I have an 1100 adventure sport ES with the manual gearbox (I had dct on the previous 1000 and prefer the manual). The electronic suspension is superb and in the 2 USER MODES, you can adjust everything about the suspension, preload, damping and have the the front forks different to the rear shock etc,etc. The suspension is vastly superior to the R1250 GSA i had previously imho. Even though the bike has a 21” front wheel, you wouldn’t think so, unlike the 1000, its very flickable, well balanced and stable. It’s great to be able to flick from comfortable and relaxed when cruising and on rough roads and instantly swop to sporty and firm when making progress 😉😄.
The dash is superb and i would urge anyone who rides this bike to either look for a tutorial on how to use it or spend some time reading the manual. To be honest, its not complicated once you understand what does what, most the buttons you wont use whilst riding and there are short cut buttons to the main functions. Apple CarPlay is great, but due to the way CarPlay works and using a button to move from one option to another is a bit long winded, but its very easy to have the map and a route showing and change from that to the bikes speedo/rev/info page with one button. You can also access and adjust the heated grips, volume, spot lights and drls with just 2 buttons, or access and adjust the volume with one button. Once you have spent sometime when you first get the bike (having read the 300 page 😮😄 manual), you can setup all the optional settings, linked your phone and headset (CarPlay and google maps dont work unless unless the phones plugged in and you have a Bluetooth headset connected), you won’t change much again, except suspension and rider modes which just requires one button.
Negatives for me, cruise control with the manual gearbox can only be used in 4th gear and over 30 mph (3rd gear on the dct model). Honda don’t offer the high seat option in the blue/black colour which I would like personally, only available in black for some strange reason. For the price (its not cheap) the quick-shifter should be standard on the manual version and it would have been nice to have TPMS with the tubeless wheels.
Any reason you prefer the manual? I honestly can’t decide between DCT and manual and I’m looking at picking up an AT within the next year. I will be riding a lot of dirt hopefully since that’s the stuff I love tbh.
Really enjoyed this comparison as I'm trying to decide between these two, I am so undecided as I'd like it for long tours but want to be able to take it off road while touring as much as possible. Like you I am learning towards the standard with some upgrades. But one thing I would of liked to hear more on with your comparison views was on the suspension on the manual versus the es on road and off road? Can you adjust the standard manually to equal the settings on the es?
Very interesting information! Thanks!
Hey Guys, thanks very much for the very good comparison. One question, what do you think of the short screen on the standard model ? I've had a bike before with a very short screen and it worked OK as the wind off it was "clean". I'm thinking about buying the standard bike, and would really like to hear what you think about the short screen, and if you do put on the optional touring screen what difference that makes. Thanks !!! :-)
great video thx guys for sharing your opinion
Nice video guys, thanks. Are either of these available with a quick-shifter?
i like these 2 . They r v compassionate about bikes . They dont even have to say anything funny ,just the accent makes us giggle .
02:12 priceless moment when you finally conquered technology
Very good, nice review 👏. Smart choice ! Standard owner here 😝
CDCOM Motovlog problebly i will buy one AT 1100 standart without DCT, iqual to yours (color to 😊) Do you think is to heavy for basic commuting? Thanks
Should i go for Africa twin adventure sports or a gs 850 adventure or 1250 adventure to travel Greece and in Europe the next years? Mainly through asphalt and bit off road. I've seen your adventures with 1250gs on patagonia, with Africa twin in pamir and 850gs on siberia and would consider your opinion.
I'm inexperienced driver and ride an nc750x,my main trouble when riding is strong side winds.
New sub just got a AF Adventure Sport DCT
I’m hoping I did the right choice .
Thanks for comparison
How are you getting along - I am literally poised to purchase one and now I am confused. I do mainly road trips so the weather protection is king for me also, tubeless tyres and adjustable screen is better.. Heated grips as standard I could go on and on.. But I am going with a Black manual Adventure Sports with just side panniers and centre stand. I will add a fender extender and have already purchased a bags connection Tank lock Tank bag.
MagicAyrtonforever I have had my bike a few months now but have had a unexpected sickness in my family so have not moved the bike I have put all Honda accessories on it light bar/ crash bar / side and top pannniers tank bag and tank side protective/ center stand bike is great just way to tall for me I’m 5’10” 32 inseam bike is 34 I did buy low seat also but did not help I dropped bike just getting off it is too top heavy . I love it but if had a smaller tank and sit lower I would keep but going to trade it in once I get time . The technology is great just meant for a taller person.
@@wesleyensey8488 oh dear.. I am 6ft 33/34 inseam don't have a problem with standard seat on high, screen is sort of too tall. But looking to purchase this week. I'm sure the standard one will have its own set of foibles
I see you guys too are a fan of rev it airborne base layer. So cozy for those hot days.
Currently using the 2018 adventure sport model..really love it..maybe in the future will upgrade to dct model..
I would be interested in your thoughts between 790 S and base africa twin 1100 for a mix of road, gravel and off-road. Short rider at 5 foot 7 inches.
The standard manual is the way to go. I would just add some aftermarket hand guards and a taller windshield.
I like that old Africa has a big enough standard windshield, you should not replace it immediately, when BMW F800GS/F650GS has ridiculous small standard shield and you should buy tall one for 500$. And what we have now? Standard Africa has useless shield.
Hand guards crash protection and better tires
One drawback, tubed tyres
@@chrisw4215 that was my main concern also! I test rode the base with dct and fell in love with it! The big adventure sport just felt bigger and less agile in the corners! The inner tubes must be replaced every 6 mths or so many miles due to wear! I want to go off roading and feel the base is perfect and the adventure sport,for me, not as agile or fun! I would get dct! Nothing to think about with that!
My brother, what is the best Honda African twin or KTM 790 r. In roaming around the world, especially roaming around Africa
Yes, I also LOVE that red and black color, not sure why is is not available in the USA.
Well done gentleman 👏
I purchased the 2022 Africa Twin Adventure ES sports this weekend..... Really a tall bike. I'm 5'8" I'm tip toeng on stop.
hey guys loved the review! Could you make a video how to adjust the suspension manualy for the new standard AT? It will be agreat help to make it more agile on twisties or offroad. Thank you and great job!
We're not suspension guys. You should talk to a suspension mechanic. If you find one. :D
They could change the firmware so you see the warning, but there is a 10 second timer which clears it automatically. That shouldn't be a hard to roll into a future software update.
thanks, brothers for ur information.
I am sure there will be taller wind shield available for standard version, so if there is no need for automatic suspension adjustments and bigger tank no need to go with touring version. They could put tubeless tires on both because they also plan to launch smaller AT like 800cc or something like that in the future, that will be more for fully off road oriented riders. 1000cc is still quite big bike for off-road in general and both versions should have tubeless tires. Please make a review for new Suzuki v-Strom 1050, thanks!
Nice vid guys. thanx
Brilliant guys and I agree the standard one is better
Can you guys PLEASE do a comparison with the standard AT and the triumph rally pro???
Thanks guys.
Our pleasure!
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I have the 2019 Africa Twin Adventure Sports. The only ONLY thing it is really missing IMHO is cruise control. (Well not gonna lie, the extra power in the new bikes intrigues me) >
I have ridden two up and with lots of baggage, and no adjusting of the suspension was necessary. The suspension actually seems amazing perfect to me. Coming from a Harley I am amazed by it.
Nice review, thanks! As far as wind protection is concerned I experienced that shoulders are very poorly protected. Ride safe
Thanks for another great video...My question is : aren’t the bikes too heavy...especially at very low speed on a slight slope...may be while push ithem around to park...in that sense would a CRF 250Rally be able to reach everywhere these two beasts can.? And also with more fun factor?
:) Of course they are heavy for trails. But, unlike a CRF250Rally, these bike are taking you in comfort 500 km a day, and are still able to cope with some off-road, depending on the rider's skill and depending on how much you'd like to sweat. I recently return from Patagonia where I travelled on a big R1250GSA. I would never have picked a 250-300 cc for that kind of trip.
I would get the standard bike with DCT and fit Oxford Heated Grips and Barkbusters. Really bad that Car Play will only work with a headset.
Nice review! You liked the basic twin more because is lighter en cheaper and more fun to ride. I would like to see a comparison between this africa twin and de crf450L 2020. Because the crf450L is more lighter then the africa twin and soo more fun. I do not know which i will choose between these two bikes.
A DCT on the crf450L would also be nice.
I'll stick with my 2018 ATAS manual transmission. It was only $12,500 US. For me it's been my favorite motorcycle and I've owned a lot of different bikes. BMW GS, KTM, SUZUKI and many others.
I am not interested in paying extra money for a dual clutch transmission .. Just the same I wonder if you have an clutch control for jumping a log or going really slow say crossing a river of some bad situaiton in rocks or ruts ect ?
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Push this, press that!
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I really like your videos thanks for the great reviews. 2 questions for you in the USA right now you can get a new 2018-19 model for about $9,500 the 2020 look like they are going to be about $14,500 do you think the 2020 is $5,000 better than the 19? Also would love to hear thoughts on AT vs Tenere 700 ($10,000) those along with Tiger 900 Rally (< they are pricey I think $15,000 - $16,700 for the Pro) are on top of my wish list for a new bike this year coming off a 2012 Super Tenere looking for something lighter and better off road
Ben Nevills the big difference in 2020 for atas is tubeless tires and cruise control. Bonus is 20 is less weight more power, Tft, cornering abs, and lean angle headlamps. $5k seems like a deal for all that.
@@chriscisneros155 just wait.. 2021 will be out soon, then 2020 price will drop
Buna.Sunt Moldovan .Traiesc in Russiea.Vreau sa cumpar motocicleta si nu ma pot apreciea Africa twin Adventure sau BMW F850GS .Ce parere ai ?
Top Video!
Beautiful bikes. Whats up with the flickering of the TFT screen? Why is it flickering? It's a bit annoying. I hope that you'll be able to do an in-depth review of the new Triumph 900 Rally soon.
The flickering is due to the refresh rate of the screen. It only shows up when you film a screen. If you film a TV or computer screen you can see it as well.
Ok gentleman, I like the review however I would really appreciate a possible comparo with 2018-2018 GS 1200 what do I gain / loose. I would do 80 % touring 23% off road ( not single trail but fire roads etc) thank you in advance. Props from Toronto Canada ; )
I prefer the basic one. Pity it doesn't have tubeless tyres.
Just for reference how tall are you guy? Montana USA love watching you guys i value your opinions!
Didn’t the bigger windscreen have an adverse effect on the white one’s fuel consumption? 0,2 l/100km difference for a world load’s of comfort is worthwhile trade-off for me
When shifting is smoother and faster and different to the previous one is the gearbox than a different one or only the software? And if so, than there should be possibility to update it! Do you guys know it?
Don't know exactely, but the software is different, considering the leaning thing.
Great video.
Is electronic suspension worth the money?
Very interesting vid .. Is the new standard AT much better than the previous Standard model? also Was there any difference between the tyres? I noticed the AT AS had Bridgestones A41T?, and it looked like the Standard bike had Karoo street? I have an AT and need new tyres soon and can't decide which to get ... I like the look of the Karoo street and just wonder how they are on the street? Thanks ..
I think there really good on the street (karoo street) but not really any use off road.
Chris Redfield agree, but then why to have so big front wheel? 😂
@@chrisredfield3240 Thanks .. Where I live there are not really any places to go off road .. I just like the look of the Karoo street lol
@@szeriman13 The big front wheel is very good at smoothing out pot holes :)
The AT AS has tubeless. The standard AT has tubes. Thats probably why the tyres are different
2:07 "Aaaaaah" LOL :D
A great team. We miss Cristian.
Great video
A very good bike but I would not to for it. It has something I don’t like that I al not a le to explain. I will wait for the Triumph.
Very good vídeo!!!
I Liked the gear that you have used. Kindly share details of the same.
Is it possible to achieve 4 or 4,2 4,3 L/100km at 90kmh solo ride on the flat nice road..I m 180 100kg ...dct or manual whatever
I really like the red and black also! Not available in the usa though!
how is the wind protection for you Cristi on the standard AT ?
Just good enough. Put a higher windscreen and you don't need more.
Now you have tried them all (AS Africa Twin, 790 Adventure Sport KTM, Tiger 800/900) what do you think is the best for mostly highway with more and more off-road as I get better. I'm 5 ft, 7 inch. Great work guys.
I have a new 790, it is better in every way compared to my at. I would say all three same for hwy riding, but the 790 has an advantage off road for sure.
Hi, I was waiting for this review since I see the bike in your garage. Is the fuel economy of this 2020 model is less than the previous one ? I have a 2018 DCT and I am thinking about selling it and buying the new one. My bike I can easily have 20-23 kmpl on lower power mode. In this video u are saying the fuel economy you are getting is 16.6 kmpl (6L for 100 km). How is the cornering lights in night cornering - that is something I need. I also love the tubeless tyres.
If you have the cash to upgrade a two year old bike why would you care about fuel economy?
Ho Lee Phuk 🙄I care fuel economy because I care the Range of the bike. 4 kmpl less fuel economy means that is 40 km less range for 10 L of fuel. For an Africa twin that is 80+ km less range.
RIP CRISTIAN! Such a talented dude
Purchasing the adventure sport DCT with foot shifter this week so that I can experience manual and automatic shifting
Does it have a clutch?
Very interesting. Didn’t realise that option was available
I have a VFR 1200X with DCT and a foot shifter and it works like a charm. You will enjoy it for sure!
the best combo! you have a fake quickshifter 😉
I don’t care for it because sometimes I like to go slow and put it in third or fourth gear at idling without touching the accelerator but the dct changes down the gears until it stops
The dream bike
Я ничего не понял. Скажите, какой мот по итогу лучше?
Please compare tiger 900 rally pro with crf1100l as
So you dont have the f900xr anymore ??? Or are you going to long term review both???
Both of them. :D
I would like to see the new AT with new v strom 1050 at on road review rather an off road riding.Which will be the best choice?
Just came out 5 days ago
Will you Do the samedi compa with the 2024 model ? I Hope so 🎉❤
Jajajajajaja that moment that you know it was soo easy "ahhhhhhh" jajajajajaja