Artifact and Underlords had notoriously low player base. They were basking on the Dota2 players playing those games, and when those players didn't translate to numbers, they eventually stop the support
Because they took what worked in two of their games and made it hype through a secret system. It's just hype and tricks. It'll be good, but there's thousands of good games, but this built an in-group. That's why people care. Don't need to be new, just gotta convince people it's something different.
@@jojoke3934yeah, ice frog is genius. They really nailed what makes a moba a moba with dota, and they used that to make an absolutely stellar experience with deadbolt for the more casual audience that wants to try a moba
This whole vid was great, but the second half went hard. You hit the nail on the head with the point about it being modern shareware. Even if this is just a temporary phase it definitely feels like a special secret the world doesn't know about yet
ye, and i lowkey prefer this! as much as tf2 rocks, Id rather valve work on what their passionate about and make bangers like this than feel forced to something they don’t have their heart in
@@KindofBradAtThis Yeah deadlock's amazing, I agree. When valve remembers that they also happen to make games and not only sell them, they always make amazing games. There's a lot of sprit from tf2 and dota mixed into this game, which is pretty great. It also feels like a sort of spiritual successor to tf2 with how this game feels as well. What kinda sucks is that it just feels that tf2 hasn't been lain to rest, and it hasn't been updated either, so it's just stuck in a purgatory of valve not being sure what to do with it. There was a comic series for the game that's finally about to finish after being on a seven year hiatus, which can finally give tf2 fans a bit of closure. It feels like a larger issue of Valve becoming as big as they are. Even with games like CSGO, which are massively successful, is still neglected. They sometimes forget aspects of their games and I'm a bit worried that might happen to Deadlock in its future. Nonetheless, Valve, compared to a lot of their peers, is still an amazing company to me and a lot of other people. For the foreseeable future, as long as Gabe Newell is around, it seems.
7:45 I think one concern I have is that the game getting THIS big was probably not part of plan, even if Valve knew it was possible. They're still working on lots of pretty core aspects of the game, the map is half-filled with placeholders, most heroes don't have proper artwork for their icons, etc. Given that the game currently has no monetization, and isn't really the full vision of what Valve wants for the game, I hope it isn't just a flash in the pan. The game is really fun as is, but I recognise that it will be much more polished in a years time, and I feel like a lot of people are going to have their fun now, and not come back when the game's finished. That being said, I think part of the reason the game is refreshing is exactly because it doesn't FEEL like a modern release. There's absolutely no modern dayisms to remind you it's 2024 and you hate the gaming industry. You log in, no pop-ups, no arrow pointing you to the store, no interruptions to tell you there are new bundles, no scrolling past a news feed to find the matchmake button, etc. It feels like me and the boys just went to Gamestop and paid $60 for a banger game and are just hanging out. No daily quests to grind, no battle pass to work through, no FOMO. I play it because it's fun, no strings attached, like it used to be.
The reason why Deadlock is this good is because Icefrog is behind it and is also responsible of Dota's immense gameplay depth. I daresay this is actually Dota 3 because it is completely free of any expected nuances of the original DotA which was ported to Dota 2 because that is what the player base wants. I would say league set a bad example for the genre which may have contributed to the genre leaving a bad taste to some people but I am confident this game would be successful enough to have an impact in showing what makes the genre fun and addicting.
I think it's worth a mention that the game isn't even officially announced yet. It's technically still in closed ALPHA, they just made a discord announcement that people could post video footage.
Deadlock is like a perfect game for MOBA and shooter players, and it takes the best of the genre and takes out the worst. For example, in CS2, all you have is the same routine, same objective every time, and boom. Now you can't rely on those routines anymore, everything is chaos and changing
Deadlock design philosophy is basically “How do we make Moba fun for general audience. While not being absolutely break their souls” which they nailed that for a bit. Although Magginnis is absolutely annoying to fight right now. Seriously, she’s not fun to fight against. Everytime I see her setting up a turret I was like “Ah shit here we go again”.
deadass if her turrets shot 'reasonably fast'* projectiles i wouldn't mind that nerf. * fast enough you can react to and dodge them or with high speed builds outright run circles around them.
@@MrRukrio1 I don’t mind her turret have fast projectiles but jesus her turrets also slows you down quite a lot. Reduce your damage and ROF. She was totally cracked.
Put her turrets in corners not out in the open, use them to get blindspots or for minions coming around corners. If you hide them the enemy cant shoot them but they have a lot of range
The thing about Deadlock, is it doesn't fall into the trappings of other MOBAs. The items aren't super overpowered and meta defining, the characters are varied and interesting design wise, the supernatural noir setting is slick and captivating, the focus on movement over micro makes it feel less sluggish and annoying, and it does really help that they have the experience they have with DotA 2 to contribute to the design of this games's push and pull game structure. It's a fresh and awesome concept even in beta.
Bro, deadlock have Dota items, But players dont play with them yeat. You have BKB. That you need on a carry to not Die to cc. And you would need hex and healing items on your supports. But right now players are bad, so everything goes. For now, until they learn what the items do. I can buy a locket for 1.5k souls. And everytime someone press and ability close to me the healing becomes better. I do this every Lane and win. Cause everyone spams shit all the time.
this unironically happened. this game is slowly getting me into other MOBAs like smite, HoTS and... as much of a stigma it has... league. goes to show what a good first impression does, i suppose.
@@munchiemunchie5226 it’s kinda reasonable though, league is VERY fun at times but when it isn’t (which it commonly isn’t) it’s miserable. On top of the addicting nature of league it can definitely take the toll on people’s mental health, to the point where winning isn’t even fun.
I completely agree with your take in this video i’ve never been able to get into any other mobas but after I got my deadlock invite i just couldn’t put the game down, game is fun characters are fun it’s just simply fun
The only moba that I liked, and I don't know why I stopped playing was HotS, if I played lol was only because other friends played it. But deadlock? I am just loving it
Valve makes a game a community loves it and it becomes one of the best communities ever and ofc valve knows how to make a game so it's always fun in some way
Guys, this game is promising. It looks like moba and overwatch but there is insane mobility and melee option for every character. So it is kinda its own thing. The map is a little bit confusing with the underground section and rooftops. Overall immersive game, but it will face the same problems with dota 2 if they keep it this way. I mean one guy will give up on the game or will feed intentionally. Some of the opponents will be overfed and destroy your game at the end. Which means it will be full of rage as well.
This feels more like an evolution to a hero shooter then moba. Its thar same kinda gameplay but no classes and each character gets their own individual skill trees and stuff. Honestly makes it feel not like a moba or hero shooter like some mash up of several genres.
If you have family share enabled with them, play a couple minutes via the family copy, wait a few more and you should be getting your own copy. There is an issue with inviting family members that they're trying to fix. If thats not the case, ask someone else to invite you.
My first time watching a video from this channel and it so brought me back to when I used to watch Austin Hourrigan's science videos for some reason XD. Great scripting. Amazing even.
I tried it. Barrier to entry is basically getting to know the character and items and while i enjoyed the game itself, i couldn't play more than 4 games before the negativity of the players got to me. Mobas are still not my type lol
long time dota2 player, and I really like deadlock. it feels like what dota would be, if dota was a 3ps, that said, with 10k hrs in dota, i can easily say that i'll put that much time into deadlock
I just hope that this MOBA is gonna be shining example to be enjoy the game not just being a Esports player every time that’s my because gripe with them they do not want Noobs only love pros culture. I play MOBAs just try it I love it but these people is what you describe insufferable oaths honestly makes me hopeful for it than any other MOBA could it almost like the TF2 experience but different in gameplay
Oh yeah forgot about heavys rockets and engineers walls 😂 the guns not even nearly the same. No one else can ever use a heavy gun or turrets or it's a copy 😂😅
@@cj6031 mad? I think it's funny people are saying stuff that's not true. You're not very smart if you think McGinnis is a copy of heavy/engi because you see a heavy weapon/turret. The people complaining are the ones mad.
Just played 5 matches of the game with a friend, it's just League of Legends in third person... There are so many effects on screen sometimes that I can't see the enemies, and when everyone is dashing around it's impossible to hit anyone, unless you're a sweat who's already played these types of games before. I had a bit of fun because I played with a friend, but I hated the experience *bracing for the inevitable 'git gud' comments*
So my biggest gripe with the game is the fact that honestly the one hero per match things a little iffy but I mean when they come up with more heroes it will be fine but for now it's kind of like if you have certain characters you kind of lose even if you're good because there's just so objectively good heroes vs mid heroes and they can easily steamroll
1 teamate dc entire enemy team was pushing lane for the win. Me n a teammate rushed down n started killin the patron while the other 2 defended and we won. Ahh i remmeber now why i loved mobas❤
The only moba I like is smite. Me and my group of friends tried deadlock but all of us including me hated it. We kept on playing to torture our one friend. Not me though after multiple losses and finally getting a fulfilling victory i called it quits.
is this the deadlock guy?
nah its the multiversus guy
@@Chronoxilenah its the marvel rivals guy
No this is patrick
It’s always so fricking hype when valve cooks up a new game
they almost never miss
@@KindofBradAtThis RIP Artifact
@@skylanlew6908 i never even heard of this game, what was the problem ?
RIP Underlords.
Artifact and Underlords had notoriously low player base. They were basking on the Dota2 players playing those games, and when those players didn't translate to numbers, they eventually stop the support
Only Valve could make me enjoy, or even love, moba. HOW??!
Feel that? That was a your brain folds merging
Because they took what worked in two of their games and made it hype through a secret system. It's just hype and tricks. It'll be good, but there's thousands of good games, but this built an in-group. That's why people care. Don't need to be new, just gotta convince people it's something different.
one word: Icefrog
@@jojoke3934yeah, ice frog is genius. They really nailed what makes a moba a moba with dota, and they used that to make an absolutely stellar experience with deadbolt for the more casual audience that wants to try a moba
This game feels like playing toys
This whole vid was great, but the second half went hard. You hit the nail on the head with the point about it being modern shareware. Even if this is just a temporary phase it definitely feels like a special secret the world doesn't know about yet
thank man! my mind grows every day!
When you dont hype a game up with insane marketing and ads, people dont have high expectations. And that's why players found this refreshing
So that's where my tf2 updates were going 💀💀
ye, and i lowkey prefer this! as much as tf2 rocks, Id rather valve work on what their passionate about and make bangers like this than feel forced to something they don’t have their heart in
@@KindofBradAtThis Yeah deadlock's amazing, I agree. When valve remembers that they also happen to make games and not only sell them, they always make amazing games. There's a lot of sprit from tf2 and dota mixed into this game, which is pretty great. It also feels like a sort of spiritual successor to tf2 with how this game feels as well.
What kinda sucks is that it just feels that tf2 hasn't been lain to rest, and it hasn't been updated either, so it's just stuck in a purgatory of valve not being sure what to do with it. There was a comic series for the game that's finally about to finish after being on a seven year hiatus, which can finally give tf2 fans a bit of closure.
It feels like a larger issue of Valve becoming as big as they are. Even with games like CSGO, which are massively successful, is still neglected. They sometimes forget aspects of their games and I'm a bit worried that might happen to Deadlock in its future.
Nonetheless, Valve, compared to a lot of their peers, is still an amazing company to me and a lot of other people. For the foreseeable future, as long as Gabe Newell is around, it seems.
@@KindofBradAtThis so you prefer artifact?
@@Игорь-щ4г2з i prefer they take swings then play it safe yea. we wouldn’t have gotten tf2 without that philosophy
Different devs. Deadlock has IceFrog, the Goat
you sound like sonic the hedgehog when you're excited
7:45 I think one concern I have is that the game getting THIS big was probably not part of plan, even if Valve knew it was possible. They're still working on lots of pretty core aspects of the game, the map is half-filled with placeholders, most heroes don't have proper artwork for their icons, etc. Given that the game currently has no monetization, and isn't really the full vision of what Valve wants for the game, I hope it isn't just a flash in the pan. The game is really fun as is, but I recognise that it will be much more polished in a years time, and I feel like a lot of people are going to have their fun now, and not come back when the game's finished.
That being said, I think part of the reason the game is refreshing is exactly because it doesn't FEEL like a modern release. There's absolutely no modern dayisms to remind you it's 2024 and you hate the gaming industry. You log in, no pop-ups, no arrow pointing you to the store, no interruptions to tell you there are new bundles, no scrolling past a news feed to find the matchmake button, etc. It feels like me and the boys just went to Gamestop and paid $60 for a banger game and are just hanging out. No daily quests to grind, no battle pass to work through, no FOMO. I play it because it's fun, no strings attached, like it used to be.
The reason why Deadlock is this good is because Icefrog is behind it and is also responsible of Dota's immense gameplay depth. I daresay this is actually Dota 3 because it is completely free of any expected nuances of the original DotA which was ported to Dota 2 because that is what the player base wants. I would say league set a bad example for the genre which may have contributed to the genre leaving a bad taste to some people but I am confident this game would be successful enough to have an impact in showing what makes the genre fun and addicting.
I think it's worth a mention that the game isn't even officially announced yet.
It's technically still in closed ALPHA, they just made a discord announcement that people could post video footage.
I’d like to thank Ivy for changing my initial opinion on Deadlock entirely
Deadlock is like a perfect game for MOBA and shooter players, and it takes the best of the genre and takes out the worst. For example, in CS2, all you have is the same routine, same objective every time, and boom. Now you can't rely on those routines anymore, everything is chaos and changing
@@azalaeel Counter strike just needs a functioning anti cheat and it's basically perfect tho
This deserves more views. Well this channel in general is an underrated gem waiting to be found
0:21 "while only officially releasing this week"
Uhh, no, it's not even released yet. If you meant "publicized", then yeah.
Deadlock design philosophy is basically “How do we make Moba fun for general audience. While not being absolutely break their souls” which they nailed that for a bit. Although Magginnis is absolutely annoying to fight right now. Seriously, she’s not fun to fight against. Everytime I see her setting up a turret I was like “Ah shit here we go again”.
deadass if her turrets shot 'reasonably fast'* projectiles i wouldn't mind that nerf.
* fast enough you can react to and dodge them or with high speed builds outright run circles around them.
@@MrRukrio1 I don’t mind her turret have fast projectiles but jesus her turrets also slows you down quite a lot. Reduce your damage and ROF. She was totally cracked.
Put her turrets in corners not out in the open, use them to get blindspots or for minions coming around corners. If you hide them the enemy cant shoot them but they have a lot of range
Mcgunnis, as per the guide
I love that Dynamo is like a fusion between Iron Giant and Bigweld 😂😂
it's truly the most fun game I've picked up in years
Yo, good to see the Deadlock guy posting
The thing about Deadlock, is it doesn't fall into the trappings of other MOBAs. The items aren't super overpowered and meta defining, the characters are varied and interesting design wise, the supernatural noir setting is slick and captivating, the focus on movement over micro makes it feel less sluggish and annoying, and it does really help that they have the experience they have with DotA 2 to contribute to the design of this games's push and pull game structure.
It's a fresh and awesome concept even in beta.
very well said 🙏🏻
this won't age well
Bro, deadlock have Dota items, But players dont play with them yeat. You have BKB. That you need on a carry to not Die to cc. And you would need hex and healing items on your supports. But right now players are bad, so everything goes. For now, until they learn what the items do. I can buy a locket for 1.5k souls. And everytime someone press and ability close to me the healing becomes better. I do this every Lane and win. Cause everyone spams shit all the time.
@@heavyflamerheresy2581 Si tal cual Deadlock parece ser una combinacion de Dota 2 y TF2
The biggest thing I look forward to is all the Gmod videos that will spawn from this game. Especially since it’s a Valve game
this unironically happened.
this game is slowly getting me into other MOBAs like smite, HoTS and... as much of a stigma it has... league.
goes to show what a good first impression does, i suppose.
@@surfsuptofino you'll be blown away by Dota 2
Please stay away from League, it's not worth it
Contrary to what people love to say, League is really really fun. It's just that when it's not fun, my goodness it's miserable.
@@munchiemunchie5226that’s the thing, people describe it as a fricking toxic relationship
@@munchiemunchie5226 it’s kinda reasonable though, league is VERY fun at times but when it isn’t (which it commonly isn’t) it’s miserable. On top of the addicting nature of league it can definitely take the toll on people’s mental health, to the point where winning isn’t even fun.
How you explained this game is why alot of older people in the gaming space play league of legends it's reminiscent of a better time
Deadlock has the same potential future gohan had in the buu saga, just hope they don't fuck it up in the future LOL
I completely agree with your take in this video i’ve never been able to get into any other mobas but after I got my deadlock invite i just couldn’t put the game down, game is fun characters are fun it’s just simply fun
The only moba that I liked, and I don't know why I stopped playing was HotS, if I played lol was only because other friends played it. But deadlock? I am just loving it
Loved the video, you managed to capture all the energy and hype I feel talking about it into a vid. 💚
thank u!
Valve makes a game a community loves it and it becomes one of the best communities ever and ofc valve knows how to make a game so it's always fun in some way
Caveat about OW2 was that it's character builds were for a PVE mode not PVP so even if it did come out it wouldn't really be comparable.
I fw this editting heavy 🔥
I'm like you. I hate MOBAs, but Deadlock is like crack.
Feels like a hero shooter that leans into the MOBA concept of figuring out how to break their kits with tons of buffs you choose yourself.
Great video, the shareware portion of the video perfectly encapsulates why the community of this game feels so fresh and good rn
Holy crap someone that actually likes deadlock!?!! So hyped
bro this got me into league but fr the movement in mobas is like trying to run or punch someone in a dream
This is really funny since I never wanted to try shooters since I was so bad at it. But deadlock made me love a shooter for the first time.
Deadlock reminded me on my early days on playing LOL, fresh, fun and everything is broken it's beautiful
This channel is the embodiment of my personality
And probably alot of people here
Gotta love it
The Jeb Bush meme with Seven as the thumbnail LMAO
Great editing bro 💪🏾
I try I try!
@@KindofBradAtThis out did you get into the alpha tho?
Amazing video. Thank you for helping me put into words why I like this game so much as a Tact Shooter player lmao
My problem with MOBA’s was always to many builds. Items were to complex. This game has simplified it.
It reminds me of the early days of League's Community
Same page. Only Moba I liked before was Heroes of the Storm.
@@rigatenes338 Same here. Only moba that I liked playing was HotS.
Goated video. Well done mr. knickerbocker
as a moba hater i been grinding this game all day
Guys, this game is promising. It looks like moba and overwatch but there is insane mobility and melee option for every character. So it is kinda its own thing. The map is a little bit confusing with the underground section and rooftops. Overall immersive game, but it will face the same problems with dota 2 if they keep it this way. I mean one guy will give up on the game or will feed intentionally. Some of the opponents will be overfed and destroy your game at the end. Which means it will be full of rage as well.
Exactly spot on when you said garden warfare, that was the first game that came to my mind when i saw it. Beautiful
im in your walls
5:13 There's a Paragon clone that exists called Predecessor. It plays very similar to the old Paragon. It's also the only clone that survived.
This feels more like an evolution to a hero shooter then moba. Its thar same kinda gameplay but no classes and each character gets their own individual skill trees and stuff. Honestly makes it feel not like a moba or hero shooter like some mash up of several genres.
Deadlock is just in the right place in a right time to shine
LMAO that was my clip at 5:54
I loved the ape bit
Icefrog does it again.
This is how DOTA 1 was back in the day
This is exactly my experience with deadlock
A friend invited me and 3 days later I haven't gotten my copy. I'm losing it.
If you have family share enabled with them, play a couple minutes via the family copy, wait a few more and you should be getting your own copy. There is an issue with inviting family members that they're trying to fix. If thats not the case, ask someone else to invite you.
@@odanlima Just friend me and ill invite you too 96831434
it's a bug. they are looking into it rn but it might take a few days apparently
My first time watching a video from this channel and it so brought me back to when I used to watch Austin Hourrigan's science videos for some reason XD. Great scripting. Amazing even.
I tried it. Barrier to entry is basically getting to know the character and items and while i enjoyed the game itself, i couldn't play more than 4 games before the negativity of the players got to me. Mobas are still not my type lol
I love the sunset overdrive shoutout
I LOVE DEADLOCK I LOVE DEADLOCK I LOVE DEADLOCK
Garden Warfare acknowledgement! 🌱 1:14
I LOVE GARDEN WARFARE AND GARDEN WARFARE 2, i don’t mind bfn.
long time dota2 player, and I really like deadlock. it feels like what dota would be, if dota was a 3ps, that said, with 10k hrs in dota, i can easily say that i'll put that much time into deadlock
okay.. the monkey terms segment earned a sub. been playing this game since May. It is actual video crack
It has not “officially released”. Its STILL in playtest.
I feel ya, monkey. I haven’t been able to pry myself away from Deadlock.
Remember when tf2 fans said that this game would absolutely suck?
Love your content, always entertaining!
Glad you enjoy it! your pfp makes me scared
bona-fide monke classic
IT’S HIM! It’s the deadlock guy!
He's right, you will start advertising this game to your friends lol
Garden Warfare mentioned! U earned a sub 👍✨
And yeah the game feel is literally just GW1-GW2
Lmao I love your JEB! seven thumbnail
someone finally gets it
8:54 good thing SM2 slaps
I was just wondering if you were uploading!
GET OUT OF MY WALLLS
huh, you do sound like sonic when you’re excited
I just hope that this MOBA is gonna be shining example to be enjoy the game not just being a Esports player every time that’s my because gripe with them they do not want Noobs only love pros culture.
I play MOBAs just try it I love it but these people is what you describe insufferable oaths honestly makes me hopeful for it than any other MOBA could it almost like the TF2 experience but different in gameplay
Paragon acknowledged. Me like. Me subscribed.
Paragon was my beloved
this game really remember me about Paragon. It was a great game
We gonna talk about how Mcginnis is legit Heavy Weapons Guy mixed with Engineer tf2.
and how sick it is
Oh yeah forgot about heavys rockets and engineers walls 😂 the guns not even nearly the same. No one else can ever use a heavy gun or turrets or it's a copy 😂😅
@@BlekPowers why u mad? Valve made tf2 aswell they are allowed to steal from themselves!
@@cj6031 mad? I think it's funny people are saying stuff that's not true. You're not very smart if you think McGinnis is a copy of heavy/engi because you see a heavy weapon/turret. The people complaining are the ones mad.
@@BlekPowers I dont think it was a complaint lol.
kindofgoat at this
thanks lil king
Good video. Deadlock is just awesome and valve made a good job
great video battleborne guy
Just played 5 matches of the game with a friend, it's just League of Legends in third person...
There are so many effects on screen sometimes that I can't see the enemies, and when everyone is dashing around it's impossible to hit anyone, unless you're a sweat who's already played these types of games before.
I had a bit of fun because I played with a friend, but I hated the experience
*bracing for the inevitable 'git gud' comments*
So my biggest gripe with the game is the fact that honestly the one hero per match things a little iffy but I mean when they come up with more heroes it will be fine but for now it's kind of like if you have certain characters you kind of lose even if you're good because there's just so objectively good heroes vs mid heroes and they can easily steamroll
Deadlock> Marvel Rivals
4:42 mechanics and gameplay is a whole lot like dota than lol
Riot and Epic be taking notes right now how to copy
thanks for the dinner vid :3
anytime! what was dinner?
1 teamate dc entire enemy team was pushing lane for the win. Me n a teammate rushed down n started killin the patron while the other 2 defended and we won. Ahh i remmeber now why i loved mobas❤
The only moba I like is smite. Me and my group of friends tried deadlock but all of us including me hated it. We kept on playing to torture our one friend. Not me though after multiple losses and finally getting a fulfilling victory i called it quits.
"mobas"
it's "A-S-S-F-A-G-G-O-T-S"... this is valve, not riot
Bro has never played a MOBA before
If you want some deadlock gameplay, don't bother with this video, it's fucking chaos to watch
I agree, Deadlock could totally be a moba gateway drug
Great video
u will get 100k or more end of year trust me
my god, a monkey made me realize something...
Grass is real!
I'm in the same boat 100%
Love how Valve perfected color theory & art style just to completely forget about it
this guy hasn’t played deadlock 👆🏻
@@KindofBradAtThis Erm well you see... it's uuhh... GEORGE, THEY’RE ON TO US!
@@bearlogg7974 r u n
D:
i liked the monkey segment.
I was so worried it was unfunny after I wrote it LMAO