Good conversation! I have the Endorphin Speed 2 Runshield and beside the fact that it is an awesome winter shoe, i love the fact that the Pebax midsole keep the same properties in winter and summer (does not get super hard like EVA in the winter). Olefin and Boost are also good at maintaining softness in cold temperatures!
Snow, ice, cold etc just using same nice shoes as on summer, sometimes put spikes under them if too icy. Sometimes run fastest workouts indoor on track.
As soon as you get on "main roads", there is rarely that much snow unless you run immediately after a big snowfall so snow is not that big of an issue for me and i live near Montreal so I get my fair share of snow. For me, the midsole getting stiff when cold was the most noticeable on my fav summer running shoes : nike tempo next. For winter, on pavement, I much prefer something like SC trainer, puma deviate nitro 2 or speed 2 runshield ... versus on snow : salomon ultraglide or endorphin edge. While its true that snow provides an extra layer of softness, I'm not necessarily looking for a firmer midsole during winter unless maybe Im running in thick snow. Ive tried many shoes during winter such as speedgoat 5, pulsar sg, tecton x, xodus ultra but I have preferred the 5 shoes I listed previously/above while pulsar sg could be nice for racing in snow ;) lastly, to stay warm, at least 2 pairs of socks, I have yet to try waterproof socks when really cold (-30c) .. oh yeah and I have tried nanospikes .. it works great but I rarely run with so much snow or ice to have a need for them
Why is grit never part of these conversations? Gritted pavements are a part of European winters. Running often also includes gravel footpaths, tow paths, cycleways etc. I know manufacturers are trying to save weight, and it could just be I've lived in multiple locations where I often find myself running on gravel as well as asphalt, however I find anything that doesn't have a full rubber (or very nearly full) outsole is a no go, any exposed foam just collects grit/gravel. I totally get weight saving for a road race day shoe (should be no gravel involved) but maybe for training that is not so important.... From 5 pairs of shoes run on asphalt in the last weeks (November onwards in Austria) I've picked out 7 pieces of gravel embedded in the exposed foam or channels/holes (incl Salomon DRX Bliss, Puma Deviate Nitro 2) And no it isn't gnarly enough to require a trail shoe! Currently shoes available are either Road or Trail, hopefully some manufacturers will develop a more versatile road shoe that is designed for and more capable of handling some gravel as well. NB grip isn't the issue so they don't need bigger lugs or a softer compound simply more rubber coverage. Naturally if my run is going to be more trail focused, and by that I mean technical trails where additional grip is required, I wear trail shoes.
I love the shoe but it's a total misnomer: I literally fell on ice on my own driveway the first time I took them out. Parodic in the timing and scenario since it was my first run after I bought them and I was pumped to go. My general impression is that unless you get ones with crampons, you will always fall on ice.
Good conversation! I have the Endorphin Speed 2 Runshield and beside the fact that it is an awesome winter shoe, i love the fact that the Pebax midsole keep the same properties in winter and summer (does not get super hard like EVA in the winter). Olefin and Boost are also good at maintaining softness in cold temperatures!
Snow, ice, cold etc just using same nice shoes as on summer, sometimes put spikes under them if too icy. Sometimes run fastest workouts indoor on track.
As soon as you get on "main roads", there is rarely that much snow unless you run immediately after a big snowfall so snow is not that big of an issue for me and i live near Montreal so I get my fair share of snow. For me, the midsole getting stiff when cold was the most noticeable on my fav summer running shoes : nike tempo next. For winter, on pavement, I much prefer something like SC trainer, puma deviate nitro 2 or speed 2 runshield ... versus on snow : salomon ultraglide or endorphin edge. While its true that snow provides an extra layer of softness, I'm not necessarily looking for a firmer midsole during winter unless maybe Im running in thick snow. Ive tried many shoes during winter such as speedgoat 5, pulsar sg, tecton x, xodus ultra but I have preferred the 5 shoes I listed previously/above while pulsar sg could be nice for racing in snow ;) lastly, to stay warm, at least 2 pairs of socks, I have yet to try waterproof socks when really cold (-30c) .. oh yeah and I have tried nanospikes .. it works great but I rarely run with so much snow or ice to have a need for them
I live in a more rural area, so it's sometimes hard to find any "main" roads. But I agree!
Why is grit never part of these conversations? Gritted pavements are a part of European winters. Running often also includes gravel footpaths, tow paths, cycleways etc. I know manufacturers are trying to save weight, and it could just be I've lived in multiple locations where I often find myself running on gravel as well as asphalt, however I find anything that doesn't have a full rubber (or very nearly full) outsole is a no go, any exposed foam just collects grit/gravel. I totally get weight saving for a road race day shoe (should be no gravel involved) but maybe for training that is not so important.... From 5 pairs of shoes run on asphalt in the last weeks (November onwards in Austria) I've picked out 7 pieces of gravel embedded in the exposed foam or channels/holes (incl Salomon DRX Bliss, Puma Deviate Nitro 2) And no it isn't gnarly enough to require a trail shoe! Currently shoes available are either Road or Trail, hopefully some manufacturers will develop a more versatile road shoe that is designed for and more capable of handling some gravel as well. NB grip isn't the issue so they don't need bigger lugs or a softer compound simply more rubber coverage. Naturally if my run is going to be more trail focused, and by that I mean technical trails where additional grip is required, I wear trail shoes.
Yes please report back about the peregrine ice 😊
I love the shoe but it's a total misnomer: I literally fell on ice on my own driveway the first time I took them out. Parodic in the timing and scenario since it was my first run after I bought them and I was pumped to go. My general impression is that unless you get ones with crampons, you will always fall on ice.