🛒 Anker F3800 + Home Power Panel: • Anker: https:shrsl.com/4ml0c • Shop Solar: shopsolarkits.com/collections/anker-f3800-kits/products/anker-f3800-solutions-smart-home-power-back-up-kit?ref=TheSolarLab • Use Code THESOLARLAB for $101 Off Your Order ☀ Get a Free Solar Estimate for Your Home: www.solar-estimate.org/solar-calculator?aff=207512&cam=750 🔔 Subscribe to our UA-cam Channel: @TheSolarLab Power stations can be expensive, and the cost of entry is what holds most people back from buying one. However, what if the power station you purchase could have an added benefit of saving you money? The Anker F3800 is one of our favorite power stations and is an excellent solution for home back up power, and it can actually help you shave money off your electric bill when you pair it with the Anker Home Power Panel. In today's video, we share how the Anker F3800 & home power panel work together, and how the two of them is a worthwhile investment. ⚡ FOLLOW US: instagram.com/thesolarlab/ www.tiktok.com/@thesolarlab 👨🏼💻 The Solar Lab: www.thesolarlab.com We maintain an affiliate relationship with some of the products reviewed, which means we get a small percentage of a sale if you click our links, at no cost to our viewers.
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Can this format work on any new Ecoflow model? If yes can u do a review and compare video? Thanks
Yep. Here in high desert of So Calif SCE charges .54/kWh from 4pm-9pm when air conditioning running, everybody home from work, and making dinner. This would a great solution.
As a San Diego native, nobody gets the 50 Cent a kilowatt hour on peak, it is usually closer to 65 or $.73. They also have obscene taxes and delivery delivery fees.
I've literally never seen this before, so basically, if I wanted to live off grid with solar and had a couple of these and the weather was generally good, I could pretty much use just that setup for my electrical needs? That's incredible!
Well Done! You were thorough, informative, knowledgeable and engaging. I started using Anker about 5-6 years ago with their line of cellphone chargers. So great to see that Anker continues to innovate. Thank You
I like Anker, because Anker was my first cellphone charger 2nd generation Astro E3 Ultra 10,000 mAh charger black on 2015, nearly 10 years ago on Amazon. I bought all my sons one, wifey, and my oldest sons wife. Its nice to see ANKER get in on the larger portable yet powerful Solar generators, because at the time I bought their small charger, they were Amazons best seller in phone chargers, and look at them now...and I will be buying some more Anker products just before I retire from my career.
The power station would totally be worth it. This is my favorite power station on the market at the moment due to how easy it is to expand on. This is a UNIT of a PowerStation. Really appreciate y'all breaking down the costs the way you did. Very helpful information as always!
It doesn't work if your electricity is cheap, like 15 cents/kwh or lower. But if you're getting screwed by private utility corporations charging 40-70 cents/kwh, then you can recoup your costs quickly.
All the replies ring true here. It’s all about how big your time of use differential is. In his SD example the differential was $0.22 per KWh. Mine in TX is just $0.055… about 1/4th his example. So “paying off” the extra hardware would take 4x as long. Eight years vs two. 🫤
Sweet! I love this kind of setup, being able to shift 42c power to 8c power has been super useful. (I'm using the Ecoflow DPU, but the capabilities are pretty similar)
A more budget friendly approach is just getting a manual transfer switch for your 110v loads (mine is a separate panel anyway) and hook this up in an off-grid mode with the grid used to charge the unit only if the battery gets low. And then you don't even need the 240v capability of this one. Just get an old delta pro in that case.
One thing to remember about the F3800 is you have to calculate in the inverter loss. The inverter in these could be more efficient. -One channel calculated the loss to be close to 20% or roughly 80% efficient.- High-end solar inverters are >90% efficient. *[EDIT]* I just did a full test on my system and found the round-trip loss for the system on AC only to be 32%. AC->DC is 90% efficient and AC->DC is 78% efficient. So you need a TOU price difference >32% to see a net gain from the system in AC only. If you add solar, then it just gets better.
@@keldonator I wish they would do their own testing on it and calculate the inverter loss. So far I have only seen the one channel do that and the more data the better. I own the 2x F3800s and home power panel and do like it.
@@TheOriginalCheezWiz This is the one I'm considering the most. I need to look more into 25amp 240v though, seems most stuff is 30amp. I really like that dc to dc it has almost no power loss as I would also use this camping
Which is why I watch their videos sometimes but not a subscriber. They're not as technically adept compared to the other channels (Will Prowse, Lithium Solar,...) and cater more to the casual viewers.
I pay 12 cents per KWh in TN, which is too cheap to consider spending this fancy panel. However, I am interested in buying the battery for back up, and I could plug it in to my grid in peak hrs anyways just to save a few dollars a month.
Great videos on the Anker F3800 comparison and the Home power panel. The problem I see with the Anker F3800 is that if you already have a rooftop solar system with inverters and combiner, you are unable to charge the Anker F3800 with those solar panels. You need to purchase solar panels that are comparable with the voltage and amperage parameters of the F3800.
How much power gets lost in the storing of energy in the battery and then releasing the energy. - the efficiency. Can this really account for overall discount?
Is this just calculating using the electric delivery charge? What about the electric generation charge? And the over loss of efficiency? And battery degradation because you won’t get 7.6 kwh for all that years. Thanks for making this video
Do you need the subpanel to use the peak savings? You can't just use the smart home panel and your pre-existing panel at the house to use this feature.
The Solix X1 can do the same thing but at a much higher cost, plus also it's not a portable solution like this. You cannot separate the X1 inverter and take it with you camping or to job sites, etc. I guess you can think of this as a portable poor-man version of the X1 setup.
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I'm saving money with our Zendure SuperBase v4600. Here's how I do it, I top it off during the day using 9x100 Watt panels with 3 of the 100 watt panels wired in 3 sets Parallel, for panel input wattages that fluctuate between 550 - 750 watts . I mounted the panels on my shed which is a Lean roof type shed and the slope with panels on it face due south. I'm discharging at the same time usually 180 watts during the day which one of my sons room running his Playstation and monitor and his chargers. At night I"m powering 4 bedrooms and thats 3 tv's, 3 oscillating floor fans, MacBook Pro chargers, iPhone chargers , and 1 room has a cable box, and a dresser clock. I have the unit set to charge from the grid when the battery reaches 11%, but by daylight, the battery is down to about 18-22% unless one adult child of ours forgets to turn the television off. I will start fresh on the electric bills to compare how much were saving per monthly bill cycle. I'm thinking about getting another Superbase rather than the satellite extension, I mean we can still connect the 2 units, plus the Superbase you get more features, and the price difference on Home Depot.com is many times a $300 - $500 difference, and if your a Veteran and sign up with HomeDepot Military Discount, they give Veterans 10% off any purchases you make, and Lowes does it too....GO NAVY.
@@ANDRE45 Super Base cost me $1907, the panels cost around $500, the solar cables, and MC4 connectors, (Y) splitters, etc cost about $200, and extra extension cords about $80 to run the various bedrooms. so the total cost was around $2,687
@@ANDRE45 My battery will soon be brought down to basement where our circuit breaker panel is, along with the 30 amp Reliance 6 circuit switch is also...in which my Zendure will be connected to the switch to power those areas of the homestead. I brought the battery upstairs by my bedroom just so I can get familiar with things initially ...Yes, this outfit was bought to help lower our electrical bill..and its nice to have it as an emergency back up in case the grid goes down for what ever reason. On cloudy days that sometimes can be a straight 4-5 days with no sun, I run our small Honda 2200iu inverter generator to top off the battery, I just go into the Zendure app, and set the batteries ac input to 1000 watts, and the Honda will take about 4 hours to charge. When HomeDepot offers the Superbase again for $1900 I will purchase another, and get that Veterans 10% deducted from it ..which is real cool for HomeDepot and Lowes to offer us.
@@ANDRE45 God willing< will be retiring soon, so I made it my business to pay off my homes, my vehicles, and put my family in a position to be frugal when it comes to living, and the cost of it. I Went out and bought 2 years ago, a vehicle that has one the best reliability ratings, and that was a 2017 Lexus LX 570 with only 15,000 miles on it. The vehicle has the power I need to get me anywhere I need to go and plus the seats are so comfortable for my back ( I'm a disable war Veterans with 3 herniated thoracic disc). I replaced my power tools with 18volt Makita , and every other month I add a new tool and a battery. I want to get it to more then half the home can run on a battery system / solar panels, and may add a hybrid system later on to run a wind turbine at night while the sun is down to keep the batteries topped off. Again, this is all the will of The God of Abraham, because I know not what paths thats before me.
The EcoFlow setup can do Time of Use saving like this one. But both EcoFlow setups (SHP1 and SHP2) uses their panels as a sub-panel for critical loads backup as well. With the Anker Home Power Panel, it's only a control panel and if you want the optional backup load sub-panel, you need to set one up separately (any brand will do). This allows the Anker HPP to be cheaper because the backup load sub-panel is optional. For the purpose of this video, which is strictly about Time of Use control, you can just leave ALL your circuits in the main panel (minimum cost) and it still works with Time of Use just fine.
My electricity price changes every 30 minutes and I use my 767 Powerhouse with the extension battery to shift my demand from the expensive periods to cheaper periods. Sometimes the price goes negative which helps a lot.
@@anthonycr2502 for me? Yes. But I keep tight control on what I run and when. My cheapest bill this year for £22 including £12(ish) standing charge. Well happy.
Good points, but you should also cover how you can use a standard generator transfer switch to do this for much cheaper than the anker panel. Yes its less capable, but many people have it already. Personally I'm going to get a generic transfer switch installed since its not proprietary. I could switch to different manufacturers as needed. My idea is to have the circuit pulling from the battery, and having a smart switch timed to shut off when you don't want grid power
You wouldn't get the automation of the Time of Use switching back and forth with a generator interlock switch. You'd also have to manually switch at least twice a day or even 4 times a day (if there are 2 peak periods) and you'll wear out that main grid line 200A breaker in no time. It's not designed to be switched back and forth twice or 4 times a day. And you'd also have to setup alarms everyday to remind yourself to do it manually.
Can you please post pics of all app settings to accomplish this? TOU settings and battery reserve settings? I’m not seeing how I tell it to charge to 100% at night, then peak shave during the day until the batteries get down to 20%.
Does the Anket product keep track of how many cycles it has used? In other words is there a way to know when you are reaching the end of the product’s lifespan? I agree with many others on what a great job you guys are doing.
Yes and no. The EcoFlow Smart Panel is a sub-panel and control panel combined, so if you set both up as a backup solution and time of use control, then the answer is yes, same approach is possible with either solution. But if you don't want the added expense of having a sub-panel and only care about the Time of Use aspect, then a backup load sub-panel is optional and not necessary with the Anker Home Power Panel. It'll just take over supplying power to everything in your main panel via AC Coupling from the F3800 during peak time.
Flat rate for electricity for me so not going to save any money. Looking for a portable one that can use the AC coupled solar panels when the grid goes down. This one can co-exist with grid tied AC coupled solar, but if the grid goes down, your AC coupled panels are big paperweights on the roof. So far only wall mounted ones can use them if the grid is down. I keep hoping and looking though.
Dope video, nice work. I asked the local master electrician who installed my 8.3 kW PV system on my 150A service integrating 27 solar panels on a 2300 sq ft home in south Florida. His response: "That system [the one featured in this video] you are thinking about is not going to work. It is only rated for backup loads not whole home." Any thoughts?
If it's not rated high enough to drive your whole home load's requirement, then the grid will supply the remaining balance and you would still save on whatever the Anker batteries' energy can supplement for Peak time energy saving. If you have line-side-tap solar setup, then the solar energy cannot be managed by the Anker HPP. But if you have a load-side-tap solar setup, then your solar production will be used first for your home loads and any excess is used to recharge the Anker batteries. If solar production is not enough for your home loads, then the Anker batteries will supplement it before grid power is needed. If both solar and Anker batteries production is not enough for your home loads, then the grid power will be tapped in to supplement further, but in this case, everything is used together to meet the load demand -> solar, battery and grid. Remember, this video is about taking advantage of the capability of the Home Power Panel for Time of Use, IF you already invested in an F3800 as your backup solution, why not just take it one step further and use the Home Power Panel to make it work for you in Time of Use savings if you have significant Time of Use cost differences. Your 8.3 KW PV system is already helping you with Time of Use so applying this system on top of your solar probably won't help you much to save on Time fo Use.
Can it power a conventional ac unit? I live in FL and most of my power usage (I'm assuming) comes from keeping my house cool during the day, especially in Summer.
A 3 to 4 ton ac normally uses between 3000 to 4000 watts per running hour. One Anchor 3800 unit without extra battery would be discharged in about 1 hour of constant use. You really need a whole house solar system to do what you want.
@@johnhillary7923 They are wonderful to run lots of things and especially your freezers and refrigerators. I have a few solar generators to run lots of things when the grid is down. Have a great day.
Interesting unit, so this thing connects to a sub-panel or is it the sub-panel? Anyways in my area Super-Peak is 48cents and off-peak is 9cents, nice to see products like this coming out, too bad devices like this has not been around 20 years ago when i went all in on solar lol.
This is not a sub-panel, but you do not need a sub-panel. It feeds directly into the main panel and will use AC coupling to take over supplying the power from the batteries instead of from the grid. But it does not back feed into the grid. It only delivers enough power from the battery to cover the dynamic load of the house so that the energy from the grid is zero during peak time.
@@PhongNguyen-ov7jq well i am talking just about this product, i have both EG4 18kPV and Growatt MIN TL-XH hybrid inverter that backfeeds the main panel and using CT’s with zero export enable, however this product even when AC coupling it would requires CT’s to know not to export to the grid.
@@fullyelectric If you already have an EG4 setup then I don't think you can combine that setup with this one because they're not compatible. The video is meant to be for someone who does not have an kind of inverter solution already in place yet. And yes, this product DOES have CTs hooked up to the main power lines to know not to export to the grid.
You can do both with it, or you can just do Time of Use control only with it because the backup load setup is only optional with the Anker HPP. But to clarify, it's not an off-grid option per se. It's a Time of Use energy saving option when the grid is still up and running normally.
I wouldn't think it'd be costly at all. You basically rewire the Transfer Switch as the backup load side of the Anker Home Power Panel, with the Generator input lines connected/driven by the HPP backup lines. Then connect the HPP grid line to the main panel with a breaker. Then flip all your Transfer Switch's circuits to the Generator side. Now you will be able to operate both the Time of Use mode when the grid is up, as well as the Automatic uninterrupted backup load mode when the grid is down.
Lets see doing the math my peak hours is around 9 AM to around 4 PM. I use a average of 25-30 kwH in those hours. That means I'd need around 5 Anker F3800 systems to carry me through the non peak hours entirely or around $15,000 dollars. I'd lower my bill to around $40 a month saving a average of around $130~ a month. So I'd pay it off in around 9 - 10 years and by then the system would be getting obsolete... or I could pay the local electric coop which manages all the lines and maintains them and there is no worry about declining battery usage.. yeah i'll pass.... only way this makes sense is if you live in some area with like 50 - 60 cents per kwH
I don't see why not. The limit of how much can be charged is the capacity of the battery. If the Tesla requires more power than the batteries can supply, the grid will supplement the rest.
@@bboyswoosh87 It should be seamless. I presume that you already have a breaker on your circuit to and outlet to charge the Tesla (or maybe just a hardwire breaker connection). You'd hook up the Anker HPP to another breaker on the main panel and the Tesla gets charged just like before, no difference.
Ppl will soon realize savings is a plus energy security is the main reason why you would want this ppl don’t realize what the future might have in store
This is grid-tied but it is setup to never back feed into the grid, neither when the grid is down nor when the grid is up. It uses AC Coupling to "overtake" the grid and supply power to the home so that the grid acts as a supplement if necessary or delivers zero power if supplemental power is not needed.
Where I live we use 220v 50hz. My house has a huge transformer to supply 110v 50hz . Dual voltage house. How can I use this item to its full potential?
Acting as if it charges at 100% efficiency. I don't think that is the case. you dont put in 100% and get back 100%. There is a loss. I've read the loss is around 20% or so.
@@DaveBell1 that why i said for those who had panel in their basement. but like i said, its not worth it for older house. Its better to just install an exhaust on your attic/roof. if your electrician, then fine you can do it on your own. But if your not. Once you hire electrician, I tell u they will tell u the wiring is not up to code + panel. They will re-wire everything on your house + install a new panel. That will just add more $$$ just to install this. I know this because my neighbor install a Solar Panel, its old house and he install the solar by himself and still a local inspector came to check the wiring/panel if its up to code...
No way the power companies will let this fly before they just simply will take your total usage at the end of each month and then use a set price for a kilowatt hour and charge at that rate, thereby eliminating the high and low peaks. They won't stand idly by before they catch onto this and eliminate the different kilowatt prices, it will all be one set price regardless of the time of day. Would have been nice to have actually seen the inside of the power panel.
You're doing the power companies a favour by not drawing power from the grid during peak times - it helps to smooth the duck curve so they should be all for it. Even better, if you have netmetering, you could feed your battery back to the grid for even more $, and even better with solar.
@@ahaveland A lot of companies have stopped or are in the process of stopping net metering or redefining how they will allow it to continue without them getting their hands in it to get more money from your pocket. I mean power companies main objective is to turn a profit for their shareholders, not to provide you with power. Just do a web search and you will see what I mean. No way the power companies are going to let this fly for long.
@@sejac1232 I disagree. The power companies actually set up different Time of Use plans and encourage people to sign up for these plans to alleviate the demand during peak times. It helps them avoid having to build up more costly infrastructures to meet the peak demand. So they ACTUALLY prefer to see as much people participate in their Time of Use plans instead of feeling they people are cheating them from charging a high rate.
i didn't notice on your calculation if charging battery efficiency was taken in to accout .. lithium-ion batteries systems can lose up to 35% of their charge...
Nonsense. Round trip coulombic efficiency of lithium batteries is very close to 100%, with a self discharge typically about 5% per month depending on temperature and state of charge. You must be thinking of Lead Acid cells which are notoriously inefficient. "Lead-acid batteries typically have coulombic (Ah) efficiencies of around 85% and energy (Wh) efficiencies of around 70% over most of the SoC range"
@@ahaveland Nonsense, just inverter from AC to DC and from DC to AC will lose 2-6% each way .... and battery also heats up during charge and discharge, heat is not magically appears its comes from energy loss.. and anker or ecoflow don't even bother post efficiency numbers on specs
@@denissh3955 inverters are DC to AC and not involved in charging, and (2-6%) X 2 is not 35%. Batteries can be charged and discharged without using any DC-DC conversion or AC inversion, in which case losses are tiny, especially if battery and cables are sized properly to minimize heat.
@@ahaveland top rated power supply rating AC to DC still only 98% Anker F3800 is not The Tesla Powerwall has a round-trip energy efficiency rating of 90% for the Powerwall 2 and 89% for the Powerwall 3 Anker F3800 nowhere near as good.. same channel did test on it and claim it to be only 84% efficient on discharge ..good luck
@@denissh3955 that is still far more than a generator or lead acid system, and still far more than the 65% efficiency (35% losses) you were exaggerating about for some obscure reason in your original post. Your original claim was about battery charging, and didn't mention conversions, and I simply pointed out that the coloumbic efficiency of lithium ion is > 99%. As long as these systems are charged by carbon free sources, then efficiency is less important because they are then not contributing to the destruction of our civilization.
I'm in Alberta Canada and the electricity is all one price. I didn't think many US states would go with such power control pricing. Sounds pretty commie to me. 🤤 Anyway, I have a Delta2 Max and will soon have 2 extra batteries to prepare for the threatened rolling blackouts that didn't come to lass last winter but may this winter with much more housing communities built and no new power plants. Got an electrician to install a generator input panel so I can power the furnace, fridge and freezer circuits. The sub panel has a 15' heavy cord that will plug in to the Delta 2 Max or any 3 prong outlet from a generator. In Alberta we get -20 to -30. I will stay warm. Maybe get another unit for upstairs devices while keeping that sub panel for critical use. I can expand that sub panel but only will when in get a larger power unit.
Use an electric car as electricity buffer pool is much better, most electric car have 30kw-hr to 100kw-hr, and you can use 50% of that as buffer. 6kw-hr is not that significant.
When Anker burns my house down my power costs will go down to $0 too! Literally the worst brand to promote for this kind of thing. The company recently known for bad manufacturing practices and power devices suddenly combusting…😂
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The Anker F3800 is one of our favorite power stations and is an excellent solution for home back up power, and it can actually help you shave money off your electric bill when you pair it with the Anker Home Power Panel. In today's video, we share how the Anker F3800 & home power panel work together, and how the two of them is a worthwhile investment.
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Can this format work on any new Ecoflow model? If yes can u do a review and compare video? Thanks
Yep. Here in high desert of So Calif SCE charges .54/kWh from 4pm-9pm when air conditioning running, everybody home from work, and making dinner.
This would a great solution.
Your channel is so incredibly helpful. Sensible, affordable alternatives that with just a little tweaking can help people become much less dependent.
As a San Diego native, nobody gets the 50 Cent a kilowatt hour on peak, it is usually closer to 65 or $.73. They also have obscene taxes and delivery delivery fees.
I've literally never seen this before, so basically, if I wanted to live off grid with solar and had a couple of these and the weather was generally good, I could pretty much use just that setup for my electrical needs? That's incredible!
Well Done! You were thorough, informative, knowledgeable and engaging. I started using Anker about 5-6 years ago with their line of cellphone chargers. So great to see that Anker continues to innovate. Thank You
I like Anker, because Anker was my first cellphone charger 2nd generation Astro E3 Ultra 10,000 mAh charger black on 2015, nearly 10 years ago on Amazon. I bought all my sons one, wifey, and my oldest sons wife. Its nice to see ANKER get in on the larger portable yet powerful Solar generators, because at the time I bought their small charger, they were Amazons best seller in phone chargers, and look at them now...and I will be buying some more Anker products just before I retire from my career.
The power station would totally be worth it. This is my favorite power station on the market at the moment due to how easy it is to expand on. This is a UNIT of a PowerStation. Really appreciate y'all breaking down the costs the way you did. Very helpful information as always!
It doesn't work if your electricity is cheap, like 15 cents/kwh or lower. But if you're getting screwed by private utility corporations charging 40-70 cents/kwh, then you can recoup your costs quickly.
The savings are lower but if you have differential pricing then it’s still worth it to help the grid in high demand times.
it is a whole home back-up soluton, main purpose is back-up not making money. But it is a great solution since it can make money
He said exactly that.
All the replies ring true here. It’s all about how big your time of use differential is. In his SD example the differential was $0.22 per KWh. Mine in TX is just $0.055… about 1/4th his example. So “paying off” the extra hardware would take 4x as long. Eight years vs two. 🫤
@@737smartin assuming prices stay low. :)
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Sweet!
I love this kind of setup, being able to shift 42c power to 8c power has been super useful. (I'm using the Ecoflow DPU, but the capabilities are pretty similar)
You should also add the cost of the installation.
A more budget friendly approach is just getting a manual transfer switch for your 110v loads (mine is a separate panel anyway) and hook this up in an off-grid mode with the grid used to charge the unit only if the battery gets low. And then you don't even need the 240v capability of this one. Just get an old delta pro in that case.
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Thanks for the advice, one question, how do you set it up to change only when it gets low?
Can this format work on any new Ecoflow model? If yes can u do a review and compare video? Thanks
One thing to remember about the F3800 is you have to calculate in the inverter loss. The inverter in these could be more efficient. -One channel calculated the loss to be close to 20% or roughly 80% efficient.- High-end solar inverters are >90% efficient. *[EDIT]* I just did a full test on my system and found the round-trip loss for the system on AC only to be 32%. AC->DC is 90% efficient and AC->DC is 78% efficient. So you need a TOU price difference >32% to see a net gain from the system in AC only. If you add solar, then it just gets better.
I was surprised this wasn't mentioned
@@keldonator I wish they would do their own testing on it and calculate the inverter loss. So far I have only seen the one channel do that and the more data the better. I own the 2x F3800s and home power panel and do like it.
@@TheOriginalCheezWiz This is the one I'm considering the most. I need to look more into 25amp 240v though, seems most stuff is 30amp. I really like that dc to dc it has almost no power loss as I would also use this camping
plus the loss from charging the battery, makes the margins far less
Which is why I watch their videos sometimes but not a subscriber. They're not as technically adept compared to the other channels (Will Prowse, Lithium Solar,...) and cater more to the casual viewers.
Yeah, you’re telling me I wish I could have one of those
I pay 12 cents per KWh in TN, which is too cheap to consider spending this fancy panel. However, I am interested in buying the battery for back up, and I could plug it in to my grid in peak hrs anyways just to save a few dollars a month.
makes total sense - I have had solar panels for 7 yrs - how do I do this ?
Great videos on the Anker F3800 comparison and the Home power panel. The problem I see with the Anker F3800 is that if you already have a rooftop solar system with inverters and combiner, you are unable to charge the Anker F3800 with those solar panels. You need to purchase solar panels that are comparable with the voltage and amperage parameters of the F3800.
How much power gets lost in the storing of energy in the battery and then releasing the energy. - the efficiency. Can this really account for overall discount?
Is this just calculating using the electric delivery charge? What about the electric generation charge? And the over loss of efficiency? And battery degradation because you won’t get 7.6 kwh for all that years. Thanks for making this video
Do you need the subpanel to use the peak savings? You can't just use the smart home panel and your pre-existing panel at the house to use this feature.
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georgia power overnight plan is 2.1 super off peak off peak is 9.9 and on peak is 28.6 which is only june to september
I rent, so it isn't easy to get solar power, and my power company doesn't do rate splits for off peak vs peak hours.
not in SC where electricity is like 12 cents kwh....where I am its 24 cents per kwH PEAK hours and 6 cents per kwh NON peak hours
Can you compare this setup (F3800 + Smart Home Panel) with the Solix X1 for this peak saving usage?
The Solix X1 can do the same thing but at a much higher cost, plus also it's not a portable solution like this. You cannot separate the X1 inverter and take it with you camping or to job sites, etc. I guess you can think of this as a portable poor-man version of the X1 setup.
Can you do a video for one of these units for mobile detailer?
Please
Powering electric power washer , a mighty carpet extractor, steam cleaner
Air compressor
I'm saving money with our Zendure SuperBase v4600. Here's how I do it, I top it off during the day using 9x100 Watt panels with 3 of the 100 watt panels wired in 3 sets Parallel, for panel input wattages that fluctuate between 550 - 750 watts . I mounted the panels on my shed which is a Lean roof type shed and the slope with panels on it face due south. I'm discharging at the same time usually 180 watts during the day which one of my sons room running his Playstation and monitor and his chargers. At night I"m powering 4 bedrooms and thats 3 tv's, 3 oscillating floor fans, MacBook Pro chargers, iPhone chargers , and 1 room has a cable box, and a dresser clock. I have the unit set to charge from the grid when the battery reaches 11%, but by daylight, the battery is down to about 18-22% unless one adult child of ours forgets to turn the television off. I will start fresh on the electric bills to compare how much were saving per monthly bill cycle. I'm thinking about getting another Superbase rather than the satellite extension, I mean we can still connect the 2 units, plus the Superbase you get more features, and the price difference on Home Depot.com is many times a $300 - $500 difference, and if your a Veteran and sign up with HomeDepot Military Discount, they give Veterans 10% off any purchases you make, and Lowes does it too....GO NAVY.
how much the setup cost
@@ANDRE45 Super Base cost me $1907, the panels cost around $500, the solar cables, and MC4 connectors, (Y) splitters, etc cost about $200, and extra extension cords about $80 to run the various bedrooms. so the total cost was around $2,687
@@ANDRE45 My battery will soon be brought down to basement where our circuit breaker panel is, along with the 30 amp Reliance 6 circuit switch is also...in which my Zendure will be connected to the switch to power those areas of the homestead. I brought the battery upstairs by my bedroom just so I can get familiar with things initially ...Yes, this outfit was bought to help lower our electrical bill..and its nice to have it as an emergency back up in case the grid goes down for what ever reason. On cloudy days that sometimes can be a straight 4-5 days with no sun, I run our small Honda 2200iu inverter generator to top off the battery, I just go into the Zendure app, and set the batteries ac input to 1000 watts, and the Honda will take about 4 hours to charge. When HomeDepot offers the Superbase again for $1900 I will purchase another, and get that Veterans 10% deducted from it ..which is real cool for HomeDepot and Lowes to offer us.
@@ANDRE45 God willing< will be retiring soon, so I made it my business to pay off my homes, my vehicles, and put my family in a position to be frugal when it comes to living, and the cost of it. I Went out and bought 2 years ago, a vehicle that has one the best reliability ratings, and that was a 2017 Lexus LX 570 with only 15,000 miles on it. The vehicle has the power I need to get me anywhere I need to go and plus the seats are so comfortable for my back ( I'm a disable war Veterans with 3 herniated thoracic disc). I replaced my power tools with 18volt Makita , and every other month I add a new tool and a battery. I want to get it to more then half the home can run on a battery system / solar panels, and may add a hybrid system later on to run a wind turbine at night while the sun is down to keep the batteries topped off. Again, this is all the will of The God of Abraham, because I know not what paths thats before me.
Interesting, greetings from PNG, that's an ideal product for off-grid areas in PNG.🙏🇵🇬
Can you compare this power panel to EcoFlow one?
The EcoFlow setup can do Time of Use saving like this one. But both EcoFlow setups (SHP1 and SHP2) uses their panels as a sub-panel for critical loads backup as well. With the Anker Home Power Panel, it's only a control panel and if you want the optional backup load sub-panel, you need to set one up separately (any brand will do). This allows the Anker HPP to be cheaper because the backup load sub-panel is optional. For the purpose of this video, which is strictly about Time of Use control, you can just leave ALL your circuits in the main panel (minimum cost) and it still works with Time of Use just fine.
Your channel is very helpful. I guess peak shaving is great, but I have a fixed rate. Still worth the panel or stay with transfer switch
How long does it takes to charge batteries using a portable gas charger that generates 1,000watts assuming Anker is fully discharged? 4hrs?
My electricity price changes every 30 minutes and I use my 767 Powerhouse with the extension battery to shift my demand from the expensive periods to cheaper periods. Sometimes the price goes negative which helps a lot.
Would you say it’s worth it?
@@anthonycr2502 for me? Yes. But I keep tight control on what I run and when. My cheapest bill this year for £22 including £12(ish) standing charge. Well happy.
Excellent absolutely. This is great valuable information. 🇦🇺 👍
Good points, but you should also cover how you can use a standard generator transfer switch to do this for much cheaper than the anker panel. Yes its less capable, but many people have it already.
Personally I'm going to get a generic transfer switch installed since its not proprietary. I could switch to different manufacturers as needed.
My idea is to have the circuit pulling from the battery, and having a smart switch timed to shut off when you don't want grid power
You wouldn't get the automation of the Time of Use switching back and forth with a generator interlock switch. You'd also have to manually switch at least twice a day or even 4 times a day (if there are 2 peak periods) and you'll wear out that main grid line 200A breaker in no time. It's not designed to be switched back and forth twice or 4 times a day. And you'd also have to setup alarms everyday to remind yourself to do it manually.
Can you please post pics of all app settings to accomplish this? TOU settings and battery reserve settings? I’m not seeing how I tell it to charge to 100% at night, then peak shave during the day until the batteries get down to 20%.
Hi Buddy! Any tips on doing product reviews videos? I'm just starting my channel and I'd love some tips and tricks.
Does the Anket product keep track of how many cycles it has used? In other words is there a way to know when you are reaching the end of the product’s lifespan? I agree with many others on what a great job you guys are doing.
Same approach is possible with the EcoFlow Smart Panel and their Delta Pro solar generators.
excalty!
BTW, I should have also mentioned that you guys are doing a bang-up job in this channel! Enjoying the material… nice work!
Yes and no. The EcoFlow Smart Panel is a sub-panel and control panel combined, so if you set both up as a backup solution and time of use control, then the answer is yes, same approach is possible with either solution. But if you don't want the added expense of having a sub-panel and only care about the Time of Use aspect, then a backup load sub-panel is optional and not necessary with the Anker Home Power Panel. It'll just take over supplying power to everything in your main panel via AC Coupling from the F3800 during peak time.
I charge my power station at work. And use it at home 😂😂😂
Flat rate for electricity for me so not going to save any money. Looking for a portable one that can use the AC coupled solar panels when the grid goes down. This one can co-exist with grid tied AC coupled solar, but if the grid goes down, your AC coupled panels are big paperweights on the roof. So far only wall mounted ones can use them if the grid is down. I keep hoping and looking though.
Doesn't help if you have con edison conning you with 30 cent per kwh delivery charges.
Dope video, nice work.
I asked the local master electrician who installed my 8.3 kW PV system on my 150A service integrating 27 solar panels on a 2300 sq ft home in south Florida.
His response: "That system [the one featured in this video] you are thinking about is not going to work. It is only rated for backup loads not whole home."
Any thoughts?
If it's not rated high enough to drive your whole home load's requirement, then the grid will supply the remaining balance and you would still save on whatever the Anker batteries' energy can supplement for Peak time energy saving. If you have line-side-tap solar setup, then the solar energy cannot be managed by the Anker HPP. But if you have a load-side-tap solar setup, then your solar production will be used first for your home loads and any excess is used to recharge the Anker batteries. If solar production is not enough for your home loads, then the Anker batteries will supplement it before grid power is needed. If both solar and Anker batteries production is not enough for your home loads, then the grid power will be tapped in to supplement further, but in this case, everything is used together to meet the load demand -> solar, battery and grid.
Remember, this video is about taking advantage of the capability of the Home Power Panel for Time of Use, IF you already invested in an F3800 as your backup solution, why not just take it one step further and use the Home Power Panel to make it work for you in Time of Use savings if you have significant Time of Use cost differences. Your 8.3 KW PV system is already helping you with Time of Use so applying this system on top of your solar probably won't help you much to save on Time fo Use.
Can it power a conventional ac unit? I live in FL and most of my power usage (I'm assuming) comes from keeping my house cool during the day, especially in Summer.
Same in Virginia double the electric bill in summer
A 3 to 4 ton ac normally uses between 3000 to 4000 watts per running hour. One Anchor 3800 unit without extra battery would be discharged in about 1 hour of constant use. You really need a whole house solar system to do what you want.
@@OUFan2 ah, well I'm sure it'll still help in other areas.
Thx
@@johnhillary7923 They are wonderful to run lots of things and especially your freezers and refrigerators. I have a few solar generators to run lots of things when the grid is down. Have a great day.
Interesting unit, so this thing connects to a sub-panel or is it the sub-panel? Anyways in my area Super-Peak is 48cents and off-peak is 9cents, nice to see products like this coming out, too bad devices like this has not been around 20 years ago when i went all in on solar lol.
This is not a sub-panel, but you do not need a sub-panel. It feeds directly into the main panel and will use AC coupling to take over supplying the power from the batteries instead of from the grid. But it does not back feed into the grid. It only delivers enough power from the battery to cover the dynamic load of the house so that the energy from the grid is zero during peak time.
@@PhongNguyen-ov7jq well i am talking just about this product, i have both EG4 18kPV and Growatt MIN TL-XH hybrid inverter that backfeeds the main panel and using CT’s with zero export enable, however this product even when AC coupling it would requires CT’s to know not to export to the grid.
@@fullyelectric If you already have an EG4 setup then I don't think you can combine that setup with this one because they're not compatible. The video is meant to be for someone who does not have an kind of inverter solution already in place yet. And yes, this product DOES have CTs hooked up to the main power lines to know not to export to the grid.
I thought the battery could only be charged and depleted so many times?
I pay .13kwh in Texas
The anger F3800 is $3999.00 😂
Thanks!
Damn. Everyone has been spicy on their channels lately.
Round trip efficiency roasts your payback calculations.
I looked it mentions as a backup what if I want to just use if to daily as off grid option
You can do both with it, or you can just do Time of Use control only with it because the backup load setup is only optional with the Anker HPP. But to clarify, it's not an off-grid option per se. It's a Time of Use energy saving option when the grid is still up and running normally.
THe SDGE rates are actually .696, .466 and .346
what if I already bought and installed the Transfer Switch? It may be too costly to switch over to the Home Power Panel.
I wouldn't think it'd be costly at all. You basically rewire the Transfer Switch as the backup load side of the Anker Home Power Panel, with the Generator input lines connected/driven by the HPP backup lines. Then connect the HPP grid line to the main panel with a breaker. Then flip all your Transfer Switch's circuits to the Generator side. Now you will be able to operate both the Time of Use mode when the grid is up, as well as the Automatic uninterrupted backup load mode when the grid is down.
Could you do this oupes?
Lets see doing the math my peak hours is around 9 AM to around 4 PM. I use a average of 25-30 kwH in those hours. That means I'd need around 5 Anker F3800 systems to carry me through the non peak hours entirely or around $15,000 dollars. I'd lower my bill to around $40 a month saving a average of around $130~ a month. So I'd pay it off in around 9 - 10 years and by then the system would be getting obsolete... or I could pay the local electric coop which manages all the lines and maintains them and there is no worry about declining battery usage.. yeah i'll pass.... only way this makes sense is if you live in some area with like 50 - 60 cents per kwH
Can you use to charge a tesla with this system?
I don't see why not. The limit of how much can be charged is the capacity of the battery. If the Tesla requires more power than the batteries can supply, the grid will supplement the rest.
@@PhongNguyen-ov7jq awesome thank you. Now I have to figure out how to connect this to the ankers power-wall and on to a tesla.
@@bboyswoosh87 It should be seamless. I presume that you already have a breaker on your circuit to and outlet to charge the Tesla (or maybe just a hardwire breaker connection). You'd hook up the Anker HPP to another breaker on the main panel and the Tesla gets charged just like before, no difference.
Charging and discharging the battery is not 100% efficient. So, you'd get a little bit less in savings
Ppl will soon realize savings is a plus energy security is the main reason why you would want this ppl don’t realize what the future might have in store
Question.... is this grid tie or is it one or the other????
This is grid-tied but it is setup to never back feed into the grid, neither when the grid is down nor when the grid is up. It uses AC Coupling to "overtake" the grid and supply power to the home so that the grid acts as a supplement if necessary or delivers zero power if supplemental power is not needed.
Where I live we use 220v 50hz. My house has a huge transformer to supply 110v 50hz . Dual voltage house. How can I use this item to its full potential?
It has a 50A plug. RVers rejoice!
Acting as if it charges at 100% efficiency. I don't think that is the case. you dont put in 100% and get back 100%. There is a loss. I've read the loss is around 20% or so.
Buy a Ventilation Fan and Install it on your attic/roof
Do you think everyone has a basement?
@@DaveBell1 that why i said for those who had panel in their basement. but like i said, its not worth it for older house. Its better to just install an exhaust on your attic/roof. if your electrician, then fine you can do it on your own. But if your not. Once you hire electrician, I tell u they will tell u the wiring is not up to code + panel. They will re-wire everything on your house + install a new panel. That will just add more $$$ just to install this. I know this because my neighbor install a Solar Panel, its old house and he install the solar by himself and still a local inspector came to check the wiring/panel if its up to code...
Is anyone else making anything like the Anker Home Power Panel? Say EG4.
8 year payback period is awful tho.
No way the power companies will let this fly before they just simply will take your total usage at the end of each month and then use a set price for a kilowatt hour and charge at that rate, thereby eliminating the high and low peaks. They won't stand idly by before they catch onto this and eliminate the different kilowatt prices, it will all be one set price regardless of the time of day. Would have been nice to have actually seen the inside of the power panel.
You're doing the power companies a favour by not drawing power from the grid during peak times - it helps to smooth the duck curve so they should be all for it.
Even better, if you have netmetering, you could feed your battery back to the grid for even more $, and even better with solar.
@@ahaveland A lot of companies have stopped or are in the process of stopping net metering or redefining how they will allow it to continue without them getting their hands in it to get more money from your pocket. I mean power companies main objective is to turn a profit for their shareholders, not to provide you with power. Just do a web search and you will see what I mean. No way the power companies are going to let this fly for long.
@@sejac1232 I disagree. The power companies actually set up different Time of Use plans and encourage people to sign up for these plans to alleviate the demand during peak times. It helps them avoid having to build up more costly infrastructures to meet the peak demand. So they ACTUALLY prefer to see as much people participate in their Time of Use plans instead of feeling they people are cheating them from charging a high rate.
Dude. Thanks for explaining "Peak Shaving."
i didn't notice on your calculation if charging battery efficiency was taken in to accout .. lithium-ion batteries systems can lose up to 35% of their charge...
Nonsense. Round trip coulombic efficiency of lithium batteries is very close to 100%, with a self discharge typically about 5% per month depending on temperature and state of charge.
You must be thinking of Lead Acid cells which are notoriously inefficient.
"Lead-acid batteries typically have coulombic (Ah) efficiencies of around 85% and energy (Wh) efficiencies of around 70% over most of the SoC range"
@@ahaveland Nonsense, just inverter from AC to DC and from DC to AC will lose 2-6% each way .... and battery also heats up during charge and discharge, heat is not magically appears its comes from energy loss..
and anker or ecoflow don't even bother post efficiency numbers on specs
@@denissh3955 inverters are DC to AC and not involved in charging, and (2-6%) X 2 is not 35%.
Batteries can be charged and discharged without using any DC-DC conversion or AC inversion, in which case losses are tiny, especially if battery and cables are sized properly to minimize heat.
@@ahaveland top rated power supply rating AC to DC still only 98% Anker F3800 is not The Tesla Powerwall has a round-trip energy efficiency rating of 90% for the Powerwall 2 and 89% for the Powerwall 3
Anker F3800 nowhere near as good..
same channel did test on it and claim it to be only 84% efficient on discharge
..good luck
@@denissh3955 that is still far more than a generator or lead acid system, and still far more than the 65% efficiency (35% losses) you were exaggerating about for some obscure reason in your original post.
Your original claim was about battery charging, and didn't mention conversions, and I simply pointed out that the coloumbic efficiency of lithium ion is > 99%.
As long as these systems are charged by carbon free sources, then efficiency is less important because they are then not contributing to the destruction of our civilization.
I'm in Alberta Canada and the electricity is all one price. I didn't think many US states would go with such power control pricing. Sounds pretty commie to me. 🤤
Anyway, I have a Delta2 Max and will soon have 2 extra batteries to prepare for the threatened rolling blackouts that didn't come to lass last winter but may this winter with much more housing communities built and no new power plants.
Got an electrician to install a generator input panel so I can power the furnace, fridge and freezer circuits. The sub panel has a 15' heavy cord that will plug in to the Delta 2 Max or any 3 prong outlet from a generator.
In Alberta we get -20 to -30. I will stay warm.
Maybe get another unit for upstairs devices while keeping that sub panel for critical use. I can expand that sub panel but only will when in get a larger power unit.
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Then repeat the cycle in 10 yrs when the life cycle of your battery has diminished. In the end You’re always spending.
Its lifepo4 long cycle lifespan, also nothing lasts forever yes.
Use an electric car as electricity buffer pool is much better,
most electric car have 30kw-hr to 100kw-hr, and you can use 50% of that as buffer.
6kw-hr is not that significant.
When Anker burns my house down my power costs will go down to $0 too! Literally the worst brand to promote for this kind of thing. The company recently known for bad manufacturing practices and power devices suddenly combusting…😂