I like the cover picture. It would be better if the flag of Asean is added to the mix. My advice to my Indian friends is to remember how USA treated China's rise. Because USA will treat India the same way, when India catches up to USA.
This is a misleading statement. The USA didn't have a problem with China till it started causing trouble in international waters in south china sea and issues related to North and South Korea and Taiwan. The US didn't have a problem with the rise of China just because it was doing well. The US also takes issue with slavery because of its own past with slaves making it almost a taboo.
Not because I am ethnic Chinese or what, I really think China and Singapore has one of the most efficient govt in the whole world. Notice that when it decides to implement a policy or agreement , it has already done its studies and analyses before carrying it out. And stick with it. And trust is the most important factor especially in signing a bilateral agreement, it has to honour it, not to dishour the agreement when a new party take over the leadership of a country. Many countries, especially the West, often do this and this is so counter productive because it affect the trust and disrupt economic progress.
China and India don't need to be friends. Just seek mutual cooperation. India will also become a superpower in the next decades. But it will not happen if the west succeeds in stoking war with China. India and the Indian people need to be guarded and seek what is in its best benefit. Both China and India can be both superpowers and develop peacefully there is plenty of room for two powers in east Asia.
Aside from the political niceties, there is this narrative that India has this “ego” & “loss of face” issue with China and always don’t want to be seen as losing to China. On top of that, India’s feudal and federal system makes each state almost autonomous and this creates a destructive “Democracy” for India. China knows and will or have the solution to rectify China’s aging issue and low cost/high cost manufacturing issues. Problem is, India wants to have the whole cake and eat it. Let’s face it, its not that China cant compete with India on IT and other industries but its just that China is gracious and doesn’t want to step into India’s turf. Ouch! That must hurt!
Endian is western backroom boy yes yes sir sahid...obey and serve their white daddies...long gone east india co...now they looking for a replacement white anglo saxon daddy criminal yankee
I hope the border issue between China and India created by the West is resolved. Both these giants of Asia were the original economic superpowers of the world for more than 1800 years. Singapore is in a very unique position to bring together and facilitate the healing of ties and forging of strong economic, social, cultural and military ties between India and China.
Singapore helped China with the Suzhou economic zone to overcome infrastructure deficiency in China in the earlier years. Although Suzhou IP was not as successful as expected, it sparked other economic zones in China. Could India with the help of Singapore and the Indian diaspora do the same with India? Clearly, India's situation may be different and adjustment must be made.
@@FrankiePo89 India mat toe and independent line from US/West regarding sanction of Russia. But India is now playing along with US to get more US technology and it suits US/West to keep India away from China. So not likely that India will want to appear close to Russia morecthan is necessary. As Biden has already said, there will be consequences if India gets too independent. Singapore can help not by bringing India and China together but stimulating investments.
If India is wary about opening its economy, do it on a trial basis using an economic zone. With this zone, lessons can be learnt and adjustments made for the new economic zones.
Great and informative conversation... Both India and China who share a long border should cooperate in many fields but sadly the Indian media is always creating tensions and hatred towards China.. China 🇨🇳 India 🇮🇳Love Peace..not tension or hate..God Bless both India and China🙏come together and show the world that India and China can be great neighbours peacefully
naah indian media started talking about China in thisnway only after galwan clashes when China amid pandemic tried to trespass indian side ,before that indian PM tried to build relationships with Xi ,he invited him to india for good relationships, everything was going good until China incursion to indian ,so Don't blame india , it's China which started this whole issue ,and india is not a pushover like other countries, , we Indians don't have any ideological issues with China other than border issues , it's China which is pushing india to this face off ,
Their topic of discussions were very informative and I hope I'll not be shadow banned here. I love the topic that they're discussing. I'm looking forward to hear more on how these two great nations will improve their good relatiionships with each other in the years to come. China cannot be faulted for any wrongdoing in their border disputes with India when it was the British colonialists who purportedly marked their boundery wrongfully to leave something for them to fight for and in turn weaken their economy in order for the British empire to rule the world continuosly by exploiting China & India natural resources.
What's with Girja talking about China's lack of manpower? There is a serious unemployment issue among the youth and young adults segment. Majority of India's workforce lack skills and proper education and are unemployable. The work force participation of women in India is less than 30%. Stop making these things up to let your audience feel better about themselves. You are doing them an injustice.
It is always an overstated important issue. China's population is 4 times of US. India is 10 times Japanese population. Did the GDP at the right proportion? No, there are factors more than just population.
Population is economic destiny. For nearly all of the last 2,000 years, China and India have alternately been the world's largest economy thanks to their large populations. Their development was interrupted by the "century of humiliation" and British colonialism, respectively. Ironically, their interruptions were contemporaneous.
@@Erin-dw9vx Right now, India's only _potential_ advantage is its growing young population. I say potential because it requires a capable and intelligent government that can enact policies to mobilize this population. It remains to be seen whether the government is good enough.
India’s government is improving year by year. There is no doubt of its growing economic potential. However ultimately it will bear the brunt of Western powers (like China now) esp. in the issue of treatment of its Muslim population.
@@horridohobbies Based on our economy and various policies related to finance and IT. India has been the fastest growing major economy for the past few years. India will be the 3rd largest economy in the world before 2028, currently it’s the 5th. India hopes be a 10 Trillion USD economy by 2030, its almost a 4 Trillion USD economy now. India is becoming more and more cashless which reduces black money and corruption. India is a democracy, it’s slow by design, but development is happening nonetheless.
OBOR passes through Pakistan Occupied Kashmir which India claims as its own. RCEP doesn’t include service sectors which India is strong at, so India doesn’t see any merit in joining RCEP.
@@KiriAatam: China had offered India that OBOR passing through POK would be provided security by a joint India -Pakistan -China force if India joined the project. But Modani made a BLUNDER as far as Indian trade interests were concerned by not accepting the offer as projecting Pakistan as an enemy gets him votes from Andh Bhakts. Not joining RECP was another blunder, as Indian manufacturers would have got Tax free access to a much bigger market than India. Western countries now prefer to set up their manufacturing units in RECP countries rather than India. Even Indian companies have started setting up manufacturing units in RECP countries to take advantage of the tax-free regime there. So FDI flows in India have reduced, Jobs Lost, Trade Deficit increased, and the Value of INR decreased.
@@pardeeptandon Would China accept if India develops a rail network from North East India into Tibet for better connectivity? Or, if India recognise Taiwan as a country? Had India accepted OBOR, it’d be recognising Pakistan’s legitimacy over Kashmir. The Pakis don’t really care about Kashmir, they just want to keep the conflict alive to ensure military rule in Pakistan. And, China is an accomplice to that. Regarding RCEP, the biggest beneficiary would be China. Their products would flood Indian markets. We still purchase Indian made clothes and a lot of Indian made items. Joining RCEP means Indian manufacturers would take a hit. RCEP doesn’t talk about services such as IT, Nursing and Healthcare or Teaching which India is good at, RCEP doesn’t allow Indians to go to other countries for work. India withdrew from RCEP as it doesn’t see any merit for India in the short to medium term. RCEP would’ve enabled China to do economic coercion on India like how they did with Australia, Korea and Taiwan.
China’s intention is very clear. Infrastructure has been contributing 1-2 % to China’s GDP for 3 decades but that has petering out. China is desperate for 1-2% from infrastructure for the future through the BRI. China prospers, the host goes into debt. Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code, 2016 is India’s answer to a ‘constructive destruction’
india may envy china , but india cannot be another china ,because of our culture , i meet some japanese who come to a restaurant called harima in bangalore , they say india people talking ,talking too much talking , they are not used to it . so we cannot be like chinese whos productivity is double . india talking too much .
Russia China had bad relations until recently. They just need to settle the Himalayas border issue. And you're not talking about Alsace. You're talking about some insignificant non-strategic highlands with no or little economic value
The thing about India that no one is aware of is how India psyche was impacted by colonial British rule. Some of the perceived positive characteristics India picked up from the British is actually a setback for India. You can see the difference in the media. Just because you have the freedom to talk, doesn't mean you shouldn't pick your words wisely.
China has been not afraid of criticism for more than 2000 years, but the more intense the criticism, the faster the growth, this is the ancient Chinese culture, you can know some Chinese idioms, such as "卧薪尝胆，忍辱负重" you will know why China grows so fast
Make peace, solve poverty and climate crisis by working together. That is what world politicians should do. Instead of supporting Zelinskys flying circus teater that will destroy Ukraine and big part of the world.
India today is not China of 2009, in 2009, China GDP was USD 5 trillions and per capita at USD 3.8k but today india, gdp only USD 3.7 trillions and per capita at USD 2.6k. I think it’s hard for india to be even on par with China. There are many reasons, from attitudes, skills, size of country, resources to climate change not at india side. Demographic not the only factor to success, in fact it will be burden to india if they failed to manage it properly, quickly enough to provide employment, skills and opportunities. india still a very close economy, FDI into China in 2009 was USD 997b but in flow into India in 2022 still only less than 10% of China level in 2009. Instead of forging good economic relations with their biggest suppliers of raw materials and equipment, india going to opposite, this relation going to be bad to the level China retaliate, india going to be in deep trouble, even with US help won’t lift india economy, even the current influx of US companies, many US companies failed and exited india market in past decades, india trade with South East Asia mostly in service is still small compare to trillion dollar business between China and ASEAN in 2009 at USD235b compare to India today USD110b.
How so? China began to develop their side of the border to initiate an assault, India realised this and started retaliating. India will be a 10 Trillion USD in about 10 years time. India already is the fastest growing major economy in the world.
@@KiriAatam Indians are funny ppl, you already said China develop their side, what it got to do with india? India too develop their side, what the problem? Why india dissatisfied and attacked China in 5 May 2020? Lucky China won that clash where 20 Indians dead and they ran back to Indian territory, if Indians won, they going to invade China further, so who the aggressive party? Indians like to estimate their future when they failed to achieve their current goals, isn’t that funny? I’m 100% sure India can’t achieve 10trillion in 10 years, I tell you why, ok? Indians don’t know how to do math, you still need 6.3 trillion to achieve that, mean every year you need 630b which is 20% of current gdp 3.7trillion, mean india need at least 15% growth rate to achieve that, but Indian gdp growth rate average from 2006 to 2023 only 6.19% that is very far from 15%, so how india can achieve that? By dreaming? Fastest in the world doesn’t mean anything if majority Indian women not working and another 10 to 20 years, india going to face same aging population, if india can’t handle it, they still going to be poorer than Africa.
@@KiriAatam The Henderson Brooks-Bhagat report is the report of an investigative commission, which conducted an Operations Review of the Indian Army's operation during the Sino-Indian War of 1962. This Report has remained security classified till this day. The Indian public has never been told the whole Truths on why and how that 1962 border war happened. And, it suits the political and career interests of successive Indian government and military leaderships to hide the historical truths, and continue to magnify and play up the perception of Chinese security threats from across the Himalayas. Go look up Part 1 of this Report, which a retired Australian journalist had somehow obtained, and decided to publish it on his blogs before his death, after waiting decades for the full Report to be declassified.
Don't know about you. Wealth is about accumulation and leveraging. If you are young and poor, you can still able to be old and rich. Adopt to new environment and grow.
India and China should work towards making a NATO-like military alliance among BRICKS countries and settle their borders in the uninhabited baran mountains. This will also bring Pakistan to heal.
@@naveenpalani3194 the whole of North East, kashmir, Arunachal, Southern India is a big issue for China. There must be free movement of people in these area from China too 😅😂
@@Bexxxyable ha ha ha ! that india may not agree to ,or will find it hard to agree to in the short term , india must insist on free movement of tibetians to and from tibet , this religious and political issue for last so many years .
@@naveenpalani3194 ha ha ha! that China may not agree to, or will find it almost impossible to agree. China must insist on free movement of people in the Independent countries and kingdoms prior to British Raj annexation and colonization by force which was conveniently handed down to Indians by the British. Free the whole of North East, Kashmir, Arunachal, Southern India! Then we talk 😂🤣
@@Bexxxyable that what you suggest may not happen any time soon , india must insist on free travel for tibetians in exile ,to visit family , to visit religious places ,to visit dharm-shala by tibetians inside tibet ,but could restrict their political activities inside tibet ,with mutual consent .
The European colonial powers, especially the British, French and Americans have left a terrible and often, deliberate legacy of creating conflict in the regions they have colonised, that exist till today. The India-China border conflict, the India-Pakistan border conflicts; the carving out of India, forming Pakistan and East Pakistan (Bangladesh); Israel-Palestine conflict, Turkey-Kurdistan, North and South Korea, North and South Vietnam. Many of these artificial fault lines deliberately drawn up by the ‘divide and conquer’ Europeans and Americans continue to be points of contention for these countries that exist to this day.
Indian politicians could do more and talk less. Avoid any attempt to blow the trumpet of imminent success before genuine efforts are made to improve the lives of its people with regard to improved literacy through mandatory education, public health, gender equality, and the abolition of abject poverty.
Lastly, India can help China in infrastructure building? In Africa? Despite India's infrastructure being in a mess? For info, China is trying to be more and more independent in basically everything and only China can do it in this world.
India has a major obstacle to overcome before it can see the kind of development it wants for itself. And that is its very bloated egotism. The other issue is that India wants to eat its cakes and keep them as well. While it wants to attract forrign investments where India can be competitive, it at the same time wants to hold on to regulations that protect its uncompetitive industries. And also its involvement in the combative anti China AKUS Alliance while at the same time having one foot in the Shanghai Cooperative Organisation. That would greatly dilute the level of trust that any of its partners will place on it.
Spot on! Can't be a member of Quad and SCO and expected to be trusted wholly. Same thing is true for Australia. Can't expect all that trade with China and be involved in Quad and AUKUS at the same time.
@@mavrbang india doesn't take sides , never in history qw took one side ,in 80 90s too we didn't go with soviet all in , we like to maintain neutrality on national interest
@@rakeshbarman3486 Being a member of QUAD and AUKUS certainly cannot be, in any form or shade, be viewed as being neutral. The 2 military gatherings are formed specifically aimed at harming China.
i am fan of Mr Mahbubani and enjoy your book and your speeches. I am living in Singapore. I am not agree with mahbubani that Buddhism was not created in India. Buddhism was practice in India by Buddha who was born in Nepal.
Aside from the political niceties, there is this narrative that India has this “ego” & “loss of face” issue with China and always don’t want to be seen as losing to China. On top of that, India’s feudal and federal system makes each state almost autonomous and this creates a destructive “Democracy” for India. China knows and will or have the solution to rectify China’s aging issue and low cost/high cost manufacturing issues. Problem is, India wants to have the whole cake and eat it. Let’s face it, its not that China cant compete with India on IT and other industries but its just that China is gracious and doesn’t want to step into India’s turf. Ouch! That must hurt.
First time I have heard Kishore speaking about India with any degree of seriousness so is he working out a new strategy for China. (CIA- China, India ASEAN as he has coined). He is a know member of the China-B-team so he needs to heard seriously to understand the Chinese thought. Is it an admission that the India tilt towards USA is pinching China and China realises it needs to wean away India away from USA if it has to stand any chance. Remember China has very few strong friends today (of course it has a war battered Russia, a begging bowl Pakistan and North Korea) against a USA Plus Plus Plus Plus. Alliance. Improving China-India relations is more probable but possible. China has to first give a lot especially on the border issue. It needs to settle it permanently for any lasting solution and mostly not on its terms. That is a big problem with the sort of nationalistic rhetoric it has fed its population. It has to first give up its stand that it is the ‘Undisputed Hegemony in Asia which China, Japan and maybe South Korea will never accept. None better than Kishore to drill in some ‘dharma’ into the Chinese mind. After all don’t Hindus and Buddhist Co-exist with the utmost harmony in India and ASEAN. Why not on a China join in that Buddhist harmony based on dharma. We have done so in centuries. Let China teach its people more a lost their Buddhist heritage. It will create a huge people-to-people contact. Takes us to a larger question. Why can’t communism and Buddhism peacefully co-exist in China. India and China will be seen as the beacons for the world based on the Indic principles of Dharma
What will make Indian people understand and accept that the colonial borderline, drawn by some British man who ignore historical facts, is not real? Return to the historical fact based borderline will resolve the issues between China and India!
If the border is drawn in India's interest then it is reasonable to assume India would accept it. China do the same, 穷则搁置争议，达则自古以来。Of course, if you want to seriously resolve the border issue, this is not the solution
@@ruifenghuang1029 I do not understand what you trying to say. China has issue with India border outlook in the 1960s, and even fought a war over it. At that time, China was very poor and correspondingly weak.
@@thomaslau1214 Poor yes, weak, not so much. PLA was fighting Americans in Korean wars 10 years before. My point is that it matters not who drawn what border, so long as that border benefit the said country they would uphold it. Kind of like the 9 dash line stuff. However, acting like this is not a way resolve border dispute. China has a good track record of resolving land border dispute
@@ruifenghuang1029 You are suggesting China to give up territory for peace? This is not the early 1900s when China (PRC or RPC) cannot defend itself. The 9 dash line is a different story. RPC has the 12 dash line, supported by US just after the 2nd world war. Obviously it has no power to hold it. By the way will Taiwan give up its region for peace?
@@Whatis2468 As true salesman who sells book, sell himself for talks, he doesn't tell you the truth, he just tell you what any pro CCP goons want to hear. That way he will always be invited to talk in pro CCP events. Shame on him!
They are so boastful of their IT Services and Pharma exports; no, China never gives dawn on those and can never lose if they dare to come to compete. An isolated island can never grow any bigger. One foot in the QUAD and the other foot could stand shivering on the others especially when none on the BRI and RCEP.
The Indian media chooses to take a hostile approach towards China even if it is against the historical truth, & so by some Indian politicians, but the Chinese never chooses India to be her enemy.
@@kth6736In 1962 it was Nehru who sent his troops into China territory, China was very reluctant to have conflict with India especially after the Korea war stirred up by North Korea. The Sino-India border was high & cold for the Chinese army, a peaceful border is only good for China.
Many of Indian talented workforce are outside India. This is a challenge govt needs to build up infrastructure, create good workplace opportunities etc etc. need easy for Modi or govt to implement. The political parties I. India very diverse.
I am pessimistic as far as Indian and Chinese relations are concerned. India's sentiment against China is somewhat irrational. With the Americans stirring irritants and adding fuel to the Indian fire, India has no incentive to improve its relations with China.
I really don't understand whether the comments under this video are from genuine people or from wumao. Two points in particular, firstly, this disdain for democracy from people claiming to be supposedly living in 'Singapore', doesn't makes sense considering what I know about Singaporean politics and people. Secondly, this anti-West vitroil, US and EU have their issues, but after experiencing the wolf warrior diplomacy for past 3-4 years, I doubt any country will be receptive to the slogan "Asia for Asians", even if these commentators are genuine and belong to ASEAN countries, the policies of their own government are not in consonant with them. Would be great if someone can calrify these points.
India -China Border disputes ,incursions etc . The British left unmarked borders ,unmarked land ,no man,s land etc for India n China to fight it out. What about international arbritration each side bring whatever documnents ,maps agreements etc ,they have n negotiate etc Proposals to settle border issues. Since all border commander ,diplomatic ,Sco,bilateral talks failed ,what next? Monitoring of borders a- UN observers ,foreign military observers to be stationed at strategic locations along the Chinese / Indian borders ti monitor the border ,yse drones ,satellites etc
Not to disrespect the guest, but what he said about “government/governance doesn’t matter in economy development “ at the beginning of the show is laughable.
Problem with India is government services only 15 % of it citizens just like all Anglo Saxon world where rich get richer poor get poorer that democratic countries
Some good points made but china has picked it's side and no amount of sweet words from china funded think tanks can make us ignore all the transgressions at the border, your absolute support and shielding of pakistan, it's terrorists, and your role in keeping that country propped up instead of letting it disintegrate in order to keep us in a 2 front war situation. Additionally your boycott of the G20, your ignoring of india's territory for your belt and road initiate and shielding of Pakistani terrorists at the UN make it crystal clear you aren't trustworthy.
As long as India and China continue to act like a couple of children fighting over a bucket in the sandpit, the U.S will continue to see this as their Achilles heel, with which they can provoke a crisis between these two powerful countries, and help blunt the economic and social destruction that is currently taking place in the U.S. If China and India can start to act like grown-ups and agree to disagree, while at the same time keep moving along a road of mutual cooperation that will benefit not only themselves but the whole world, and unlike the U.S, do it peacefully.
China has settled all its border issues with 14 of its border nations except for China and Bhutan. But with an informal agreement with bhutan and soon to have a settlement with them, India remains the difficult one for a settlement talk. China is the grown-up and India is the recalcitrant child between the two.
The ports of Chabahar & Gwadar are going to be a source of contention & high risk of security conflict in the near future. Think about it, China needs access to the Indian Ocean for imports/exports to Gulf/ME, something India could block during a conflict. Chabahar is the counter to China's encroachment on territory India deems of strategic importance. You could see how this is going to play out if India chooses to side with the U.S to contain China.
I like the cover picture. It would be better if the flag of Asean is added to the mix.
My advice to my Indian friends is to remember how USA treated China's rise. Because USA will treat India the same way, when India catches up to USA.
So true
Perfect advice.
This is a misleading statement. The USA didn't have a problem with China till it started causing trouble in international waters in south china sea and issues related to North and South Korea and Taiwan. The US didn't have a problem with the rise of China just because it was doing well. The US also takes issue with slavery because of its own past with slaves making it almost a taboo.
Asean will be involved.
lol. If India is #2, no idea how would CNN discredit Modi and etc.
Insightful! Fair, objective and unbiased!
Not because I am ethnic Chinese or what, I really think China and Singapore has one of the most efficient govt in the whole world. Notice that when it decides to implement a policy or agreement , it has already done its studies and analyses before carrying it out. And stick with it. And trust is the most important factor especially in signing a bilateral agreement, it has to honour it, not to dishour the agreement when a new party take over the leadership of a country. Many countries, especially the West, often do this and this is so counter productive because it affect the trust and disrupt economic progress.
It is called democratic government with divided parties and idealogy. One step forward two step backward.
Both countries' political culture is based on Meritocracy and not Democracy.
Meritocracy has and will always beat Democracy.
It’s neither democratic nor meritocratic but corrupt evil 👿 authoritarian CCP.
@@pardeeptandon
Spot on
In international relations , we ask what is the most stable configuration. Take your pan Chinese views elsewhere. Simplistic fool
China and India don't need to be friends. Just seek mutual cooperation. India will also become a superpower in the next decades. But it will not happen if the west succeeds in stoking war with China. India and the Indian people need to be guarded and seek what is in its best benefit. Both China and India can be both superpowers and develop peacefully there is plenty of room for two powers in east Asia.
The synergy between the two most populous neighbouring nations is tremendous. When they cooperate, nothing will stop their mutual rise.
Agree. Try to manage differences. Because the permanent interest of both nations would not be similar for the next 50 years.
Aside from the political niceties, there is this narrative that India has this “ego” & “loss of face” issue with China and always don’t want to be seen as losing to China. On top of that, India’s feudal and federal system makes each state almost autonomous and this creates a destructive “Democracy” for India. China knows and will or have the solution to rectify China’s aging issue and low cost/high cost manufacturing issues. Problem is, India wants to have the whole cake and eat it. Let’s face it, its not that China cant compete with India on IT and other industries but its just that China is gracious and doesn’t want to step into India’s turf. Ouch! That must hurt!
India is not a superpower, more of midget. India might think they are superpower.
Endian is western backroom boy yes yes sir sahid...obey and serve their white daddies...long gone east india co...now they looking for a replacement white anglo saxon daddy criminal yankee
Love these podcasts by Prof Mahbubani. And you have great guests. Thank you so much for providing us with valuable information and knowledge.
I hope the border issue between China and India created by the West is resolved. Both these giants of Asia were the original economic superpowers of the world for more than 1800 years. Singapore is in a very unique position to bring together and facilitate the healing of ties and forging of strong economic, social, cultural and military ties between India and China.
The party that will most likely bring these two together will be Russia. Singapore is an unlikely candidate.
Singapore helped China with the Suzhou economic zone to overcome infrastructure deficiency in China in the earlier years. Although Suzhou IP was not as successful as expected, it sparked other economic zones in China.
Could India with the help of Singapore and the Indian diaspora do the same with India? Clearly, India's situation may be different and adjustment must be made.
@@FrankiePo89 India mat toe and independent line from US/West regarding sanction of Russia. But India is now playing along with US to get more US technology and it suits US/West to keep India away from China. So not likely that India will want to appear close to Russia morecthan is necessary. As Biden has already said, there will be consequences if India gets too independent. Singapore can help not by bringing India and China together but stimulating investments.
@@Time4Peace
Let's hope so. Prosperity for India is good for the region too.
If India is wary about opening its economy, do it on a trial basis using an economic zone. With this zone, lessons can be learnt and adjustments made for the new economic zones.
Great and informative conversation... Both India and China who share a long border should cooperate in many fields but sadly the Indian media is always creating tensions and hatred towards China.. China 🇨🇳 India 🇮🇳Love Peace..not tension or hate..God Bless both India and China🙏come together and show the world that India and China can be great neighbours peacefully
naah indian media started talking about China in thisnway only after galwan clashes when China amid pandemic tried to trespass indian side ,before that indian PM tried to build relationships with Xi ,he invited him to india for good relationships, everything was going good until China incursion to indian ,so Don't blame india , it's China which started this whole issue ,and india is not a pushover like other countries, , we Indians don't have any ideological issues with China other than border issues , it's China which is pushing india to this face off ,
Free man of free country and media is also free no government control on media like chaina
Their topic of discussions were very informative and I hope I'll not be shadow banned here. I love the topic that they're discussing. I'm looking forward to hear more on how these two great nations will improve their good relatiionships with each other in the years to come. China cannot be faulted for any wrongdoing in their border disputes with India when it was the British colonialists who purportedly marked their boundery wrongfully to leave something for them to fight for and in turn weaken their economy
in order for the British empire to rule the world continuosly by exploiting China & India natural resources.
The thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
When the truth is revealed, everything changed.
as a Chinese， I want bothside keep what they have and settle the problem。
What's with Girja talking about China's lack of manpower? There is a serious unemployment issue among the youth and young adults segment. Majority of India's workforce lack skills and proper education and are unemployable. The work force participation of women in India is less than 30%. Stop making these things up to let your audience feel better about themselves.
You are doing them an injustice.
It is always an overstated important issue. China's population is 4 times of US. India is 10 times Japanese population. Did the GDP at the right proportion? No, there are factors more than just population.
I don’t think @freelancer1499 was talking about population but instead about the education and employability of the population.
Population is economic destiny. For nearly all of the last 2,000 years, China and India have alternately been the world's largest economy thanks to their large populations. Their development was interrupted by the "century of humiliation" and British colonialism, respectively. Ironically, their interruptions were contemporaneous.
Compared with China and India, what do you think India has to offer that is better than China?
@@Erin-dw9vx Right now, India's only _potential_ advantage is its growing young population. I say potential because it requires a capable and intelligent government that can enact policies to mobilize this population. It remains to be seen whether the government is good enough.
India’s government is improving year by year. There is no doubt of its growing economic potential. However ultimately it will bear the brunt of Western powers (like China now) esp. in the issue of treatment of its Muslim population.
@@sinhuataw9019 "India’s government is improving year by year."
It is? Based on what?
@@horridohobbies Based on our economy and various policies related to finance and IT. India has been the fastest growing major economy for the past few years. India will be the 3rd largest economy in the world before 2028, currently it’s the 5th. India hopes be a 10 Trillion USD economy by 2030, its almost a 4 Trillion USD economy now. India is becoming more and more cashless which reduces black money and corruption. India is a democracy, it’s slow by design, but development is happening nonetheless.
The predictions of Professor Mahbubani. China and India gain more when they cooperate with each other. Thank you professor for shating your insights
India and China should not allow foreign powers to divide and rule over you... unite and cooperate is the only way for a great future forward...
long awaited
MODANI made a blunder by not joining RCEP & 0ne Belt One Road project.
fk rcep and fk china... what blunder? india is signing new ftas and exports are rising...
OBOR passes through Pakistan Occupied Kashmir which India claims as its own. RCEP doesn’t include service sectors which India is strong at, so India doesn’t see any merit in joining RCEP.
@@KiriAatam: China had offered India that OBOR passing through POK would be provided security by a joint India -Pakistan -China force if India joined the project. But Modani made a BLUNDER as far as Indian trade interests were concerned by not accepting the offer as projecting Pakistan as an enemy gets him votes from Andh Bhakts.
Not joining RECP was another blunder, as Indian manufacturers would have got Tax free access to a much bigger market than India. Western countries now prefer to set up their manufacturing units in RECP countries rather than India. Even Indian companies have started setting up manufacturing units in RECP countries to take advantage of the tax-free regime there. So FDI flows in India have reduced, Jobs Lost, Trade Deficit increased, and the Value of INR decreased.
@@pardeeptandon Would China accept if India develops a rail network from North East India into Tibet for better connectivity? Or, if India recognise Taiwan as a country? Had India accepted OBOR, it’d be recognising Pakistan’s legitimacy over Kashmir. The Pakis don’t really care about Kashmir, they just want to keep the conflict alive to ensure military rule in Pakistan. And, China is an accomplice to that.
Regarding RCEP, the biggest beneficiary would be China. Their products would flood Indian markets. We still purchase Indian made clothes and a lot of Indian made items. Joining RCEP means Indian manufacturers would take a hit. RCEP doesn’t talk about services such as IT, Nursing and Healthcare or Teaching which India is good at, RCEP doesn’t allow Indians to go to other countries for work. India withdrew from RCEP as it doesn’t see any merit for India in the short to medium term. RCEP would’ve enabled China to do economic coercion on India like how they did with Australia, Korea and Taiwan.
China’s intention is very clear. Infrastructure has been contributing 1-2 % to China’s GDP for 3 decades but that has petering out. China is desperate for 1-2% from infrastructure for the future through the BRI. China prospers, the host goes into debt.
Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code, 2016 is India’s answer to a ‘constructive destruction’
India is a bit envious of China progress. Their media are very critical of China.
india may envy china , but india cannot be another china ,because of our culture ,
i meet some japanese who come to a restaurant called harima in bangalore ,
they say india people talking ,talking too much talking , they are not used to it .
so we cannot be like chinese whos productivity is double . india talking too much .
naturally... 30 odd years ago India's economy was way ahead of China.. today China's economy has overtaken India.
Russia China had bad relations until recently. They just need to settle the Himalayas border issue. And you're not talking about Alsace. You're talking about some insignificant non-strategic highlands with no or little economic value
The thing about India that no one is aware of is how India psyche was impacted by colonial British rule. Some of the perceived positive characteristics India picked up from the British is actually a setback for India. You can see the difference in the media. Just because you have the freedom to talk, doesn't mean you shouldn't pick your words wisely.
China has been not afraid of criticism for more than 2000 years, but the more intense the criticism, the faster the growth, this is the ancient Chinese culture, you can know some Chinese idioms, such as "卧薪尝胆，忍辱负重" you will know why China grows so fast
Make peace, solve poverty and climate crisis by working together. That is what world politicians should do. Instead of supporting Zelinskys flying circus teater that will destroy Ukraine and big part of the world.
India seems to be sitting on the fence. They seem to focus more on the border dispute than poverty alliafion.
Lmao india pulls more than 450 million people come out poverty in last decade as per the data Publish by WHO 450M people means 1 USA
India today is not China of 2009, in 2009, China GDP was USD 5 trillions and per capita at USD 3.8k but today india, gdp only USD 3.7 trillions and per capita at USD 2.6k. I think it’s hard for india to be even on par with China. There are many reasons, from attitudes, skills, size of country, resources to climate change not at india side. Demographic not the only factor to success, in fact it will be burden to india if they failed to manage it properly, quickly enough to provide employment, skills and opportunities. india still a very close economy, FDI into China in 2009 was USD 997b but in flow into India in 2022 still only less than 10% of China level in 2009.
Instead of forging good economic relations with their biggest suppliers of raw materials and equipment, india going to opposite, this relation going to be bad to the level China retaliate, india going to be in deep trouble, even with US help won’t lift india economy, even the current influx of US companies, many US companies failed and exited india market in past decades, india trade with South East Asia mostly in service is still small compare to trillion dollar business between China and ASEAN in 2009 at USD235b compare to India today USD110b.
How so? China began to develop their side of the border to initiate an assault, India realised this and started retaliating. India will be a 10 Trillion USD in about 10 years time. India already is the fastest growing major economy in the world.
@@KiriAatam Indians are funny ppl, you already said China develop their side, what it got to do with india? India too develop their side, what the problem? Why india dissatisfied and attacked China in 5 May 2020? Lucky China won that clash where 20 Indians dead and they ran back to Indian territory, if Indians won, they going to invade China further, so who the aggressive party? Indians like to estimate their future when they failed to achieve their current goals, isn’t that funny?
I’m 100% sure India can’t achieve 10trillion in 10 years, I tell you why, ok? Indians don’t know how to do math, you still need 6.3 trillion to achieve that, mean every year you need 630b which is 20% of current gdp 3.7trillion, mean india need at least 15% growth rate to achieve that, but Indian gdp growth rate average from 2006 to 2023 only 6.19% that is very far from 15%, so how india can achieve that? By dreaming? Fastest in the world doesn’t mean anything if majority Indian women not working and another 10 to 20 years, india going to face same aging population, if india can’t handle it, they still going to be poorer than Africa.
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The Henderson Brooks-Bhagat report is the report of an investigative commission, which conducted an Operations Review of the Indian Army's operation during the Sino-Indian War of 1962.
This Report has remained security classified till this day. The Indian public has never been told the whole Truths on why and how that 1962 border war happened.
And, it suits the political and career interests of successive Indian government and military leaderships to hide the historical truths, and continue to magnify and play up the perception of Chinese security threats from across the Himalayas.
Go look up Part 1 of this Report, which a retired Australian journalist had somehow obtained, and decided to publish it on his blogs before his death, after waiting decades for the full Report to be declassified.
@@btgan3838 I'd rather trust my government from India rather than your 'convenient' sources!
@@KiriAatam That report was commissioned by your government. And, it's still classified by your government even though 61 years have passed.
Old before rich? The age of AI is before us. Robots don't age, and they multiply really quickly.
Don't know about you. Wealth is about accumulation and leveraging. If you are young and poor, you can still able to be old and rich. Adopt to new environment and grow.
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Kishore for Prime Minister and Presidente of the Great nation of India! Go Kishore, Go! The making of a real south Asia!!!
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Please go around the world with peace talks, great work Please keep up the peace talks,
We would like Australia join the peace talks and join BRICS
India and China should work towards making a NATO-like military alliance among BRICKS countries and settle their borders in the uninhabited baran mountains. This will also bring Pakistan to heal.
tibet is a big issue for india and china . there must be free movement of people , tibetians
in perticular .
@@naveenpalani3194 the whole of North East, kashmir, Arunachal, Southern India is a big issue for China. There must be free movement of people in these area from China too 😅😂
@@Bexxxyable ha ha ha ! that india may not agree to ,or will find it hard to agree
to in the short term , india must insist on free movement of tibetians to and from
tibet , this religious and political issue for last so many years .
@@naveenpalani3194 ha ha ha! that China may not agree to, or will find it almost impossible to agree. China must insist on free movement of people in the Independent countries and kingdoms prior to British Raj annexation and colonization by force which was conveniently handed down to Indians by the British. Free the whole of North East, Kashmir, Arunachal, Southern India! Then we talk 😂🤣
@@Bexxxyable that what you suggest may not happen any time soon ,
india must insist on free travel for tibetians in exile ,to visit family ,
to visit religious places ,to visit dharm-shala by tibetians inside tibet ,but could restrict their political activities inside tibet ,with mutual consent .
The European colonial powers, especially the British, French and Americans have left a terrible and often, deliberate legacy of creating conflict in the regions they have colonised, that exist till today. The India-China border conflict, the India-Pakistan border conflicts; the carving out of India, forming Pakistan and East Pakistan (Bangladesh); Israel-Palestine conflict, Turkey-Kurdistan, North and South Korea, North and South Vietnam. Many of these artificial fault lines deliberately drawn up by the ‘divide and conquer’ Europeans and Americans continue to be points of contention for these countries that exist to this day.
What happened to Huawei, Xoami, Ticktok and ZTE in India?
Huawei and Tiktok got banned. Xiaomi offices got raided for tax fraud.
One big difference between us is democracy. Bcz democracies r always chaotic unlike Authoratian rule in China
Ask Xiaomi if they regret doing business there😂
Indian politicians could do more and talk less. Avoid any attempt to blow the trumpet of imminent success before genuine efforts are made to improve the lives of its people with regard to improved literacy through mandatory education, public health, gender equality, and the abolition of abject poverty.
Pan Asia Unity
Good India remain fearful while SEA proceeds its own path.
Lastly, India can help China in infrastructure building? In Africa? Despite India's infrastructure being in a mess? For info, China is trying to be more and more independent in basically everything and only China can do it in this world.
BJP & RSS has been the biggest impediment to building a Buddhist tourist circuit in India. Especially in Bihar.
What do you think about this LOL
@@Erin-dw9vx ???
On the contrary we see India reviving its Buddhist connection
@@Parasuram5: I hope what you say is true. The Brahminvad, under the garb of Hindutva, will never let Buddhism flourish in India.
India has a major obstacle to overcome before it can see the kind of development it wants for itself. And that is its very bloated egotism.
The other issue is that India wants to eat its cakes and keep them as well. While it wants to attract forrign investments where India can be competitive, it at the same time wants to hold on to regulations that protect its uncompetitive industries. And also its involvement in the combative anti China AKUS Alliance while at the same time having one foot in the Shanghai Cooperative Organisation. That would greatly dilute the level of trust that any of its partners will place on it.
Spot on! Can't be a member of Quad and SCO and expected to be trusted wholly. Same thing is true for Australia. Can't expect all that trade with China and be involved in Quad and AUKUS at the same time.
@@mavrbang india doesn't take sides , never in history qw took one side ,in 80 90s too we didn't go with soviet all in , we like to maintain neutrality on national interest
@@rakeshbarman3486 Being a member of QUAD and AUKUS certainly cannot be, in any form or shade, be viewed as being neutral. The 2 military gatherings are formed specifically aimed at harming China.
Agree dog meat supremacy
India needs to work for it. Nothing is free in this world.
it's is working, we know nothing comes for free , Indians are the most aware people
Could India copy the Chinese type of special economic zones?
Not for physical good.
It already did fir software businesses and it suceeded.
i am fan of Mr Mahbubani and enjoy your book and your speeches. I am living in Singapore. I am not agree with mahbubani that Buddhism was not created in India. Buddhism was practice in India by Buddha who was born in Nepal.
They can talk and talk among themselve
Aside from the political niceties, there is this narrative that India has this “ego” & “loss of face” issue with China and always don’t want to be seen as losing to China. On top of that, India’s feudal and federal system makes each state almost autonomous and this creates a destructive “Democracy” for India. China knows and will or have the solution to rectify China’s aging issue and low cost/high cost manufacturing issues. Problem is, India wants to have the whole cake and eat it. Let’s face it, its not that China cant compete with India on IT and other industries but its just that China is gracious and doesn’t want to step into India’s turf. Ouch! That must hurt.
What happened? Kishore became economic advisor to India? And Singapore might soon have an Indian president?
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First time I have heard Kishore speaking about India with any degree of seriousness so is he working out a new strategy for China. (CIA- China, India ASEAN as he has coined).
He is a know member of the China-B-team so he needs to heard seriously to understand the Chinese thought.
Is it an admission that the India tilt towards USA is pinching China and China realises it needs to wean away India away from USA if it has to stand any chance. Remember China has very few strong friends today (of course it has a war battered Russia, a begging bowl Pakistan and North Korea) against a USA Plus Plus Plus Plus. Alliance. Improving China-India relations is more probable but possible. China has to first give a lot especially on the border issue. It needs to settle it permanently for any lasting solution and mostly not on its terms. That is a big problem with the sort of nationalistic rhetoric it has fed its population. It has to first give up its stand that it is the ‘Undisputed Hegemony in Asia which China, Japan and maybe South Korea will never accept.
None better than Kishore to drill in some ‘dharma’ into the Chinese mind.
After all don’t Hindus and Buddhist Co-exist with the utmost harmony in India and ASEAN. Why not on a China join in that Buddhist harmony based on dharma. We have done so in centuries. Let China teach its people more a lost their Buddhist heritage. It will create a huge people-to-people contact. Takes us to a larger question. Why can’t communism and Buddhism peacefully co-exist in China. India and China will be seen as the beacons for the world based on the Indic principles of Dharma
What will make Indian people understand and accept that the colonial borderline, drawn by some British man who ignore historical facts, is not real? Return to the historical fact based borderline will resolve the issues between China and India!
But following the colonial masters loot gained more land. India know about this & trued to twist & turn with propaganda & disfirmation
If the border is drawn in India's interest then it is reasonable to assume India would accept it. China do the same, 穷则搁置争议，达则自古以来。Of course, if you want to seriously resolve the border issue, this is not the solution
@@ruifenghuang1029 I do not understand what you trying to say. China has issue with India border outlook in the 1960s, and even fought a war over it. At that time, China was very poor and correspondingly weak.
@@thomaslau1214 Poor yes, weak, not so much. PLA was fighting Americans in Korean wars 10 years before. My point is that it matters not who drawn what border, so long as that border benefit the said country they would uphold it. Kind of like the 9 dash line stuff.
However, acting like this is not a way resolve border dispute. China has a good track record of resolving land border dispute
@@ruifenghuang1029 You are suggesting China to give up territory for peace? This is not the early 1900s when China (PRC or RPC) cannot defend itself.
The 9 dash line is a different story. RPC has the 12 dash line, supported by US just after the 2nd world war. Obviously it has no power to hold it. By the way will Taiwan give up its region for peace?
Like a good salesman this prof needs to polish his goods to make it looked more attractive and have its blemished hidden.
Right prof?
He is unlike Prof from west where they talked down to Global South.
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As true salesman who sells book, sell himself for talks, he doesn't tell you the truth, he just tell you what any pro CCP goons want to hear. That way he will always be invited to talk in pro CCP events.
Shame on him!
They are so boastful of their IT Services and Pharma exports; no, China never gives dawn on those and can never lose if they dare to come to compete.
An isolated island can never grow any bigger. One foot in the QUAD and the other foot could stand shivering on the others especially when none on the BRI and RCEP.
The Indian media chooses to take a hostile approach towards China even if it is against the historical truth, & so by some Indian politicians, but the Chinese never chooses India to be her enemy.
Democracy = division
Person 1, I want it this way
Person 2, no I want it that way
Indian media does correct reporting of chinese agression and greed.
@@kth6736In 1962 it was Nehru who sent his troops into China territory, China was very reluctant to have conflict with India especially after the Korea war stirred up by North Korea. The Sino-India border was high & cold for the Chinese army, a peaceful border is only good for China.
@@caseyliew86 Tibet was not accepted as chinese territory till then. The chinese delusions and lies are the biggest problem in India china peace.
Foxconn has failed to manufacture in India. Reason being skills n lan our unrest. India workers not so homogenous as China ?
Also. How long will modi be there? He is good but ……..😮
Many of Indian talented workforce are outside India. This is a challenge govt needs to build up infrastructure, create good workplace opportunities etc etc.
need easy for Modi or govt to implement. The political parties I. India very diverse.
India political class n parties and its diversities vs China results in ability to implement policies. 😅
Is the caste system a hindrance to India’s progress? Just wondering 😮
China is a trading nation China never talks about war but India when talks about China is war question is Indian tried of living
India always sack foreign investors
I am pessimistic as far as Indian and Chinese relations are concerned. India's sentiment against China is somewhat irrational. With the Americans stirring irritants and adding fuel to the Indian fire, India has no incentive to improve its relations with China.
⚠️🇺🇲⚠️ AI and robots will do most of the manufacturing. Unless India can be cheaper, the robots will take most jobs.
I really don't understand whether the comments under this video are from genuine people or from wumao. Two points in particular, firstly, this disdain for democracy from people claiming to be supposedly living in 'Singapore', doesn't makes sense considering what I know about Singaporean politics and people. Secondly, this anti-West vitroil, US and EU have their issues, but after experiencing the wolf warrior diplomacy for past 3-4 years, I doubt any country will be receptive to the slogan "Asia for Asians", even if these commentators are genuine and belong to ASEAN countries, the policies of their own government are not in consonant with them. Would be great if someone can calrify these points.
India -China Border disputes ,incursions etc .
The British left unmarked borders ,unmarked land ,no man,s land etc for India n China to fight it out.
What about international arbritration each side bring whatever documnents ,maps agreements etc ,they have n negotiate etc
Proposals to settle border issues.
Since all border commander ,diplomatic ,Sco,bilateral talks failed ,what next?
Monitoring of borders
a- UN observers ,foreign military observers to be stationed at strategic locations along the Chinese / Indian borders ti monitor the border ,yse drones ,satellites etc
Not to disrespect the guest, but what he said about “government/governance doesn’t matter in economy development “ at the beginning of the show is laughable.
Problem with India is government services only 15 % of it citizens just like all Anglo Saxon world where rich get richer poor get poorer that democratic countries
Some good points made but china has picked it's side and no amount of sweet words from china funded think tanks can make us ignore all the transgressions at the border, your absolute support and shielding of pakistan, it's terrorists, and your role in keeping that country propped up instead of letting it disintegrate in order to keep us in a 2 front war situation. Additionally your boycott of the G20, your ignoring of india's territory for your belt and road initiate and shielding of Pakistani terrorists at the UN make it crystal clear you aren't trustworthy.
Sad that India chosen a highly sensitive conflicting location to host the G20. 😞
Tjose who have problem can stay home.😂
indian guy is living in his own dreams 😆😆😆😆
Buddhism came from Nepal. not from India. no mistaken,.birthplace of Buddha is Lumini in Nepal
This kishore is too Nice to indians. Look all tiger are from confusion coutries
As long as India and China continue to act like a couple of children fighting over a bucket in the sandpit, the U.S will continue to see this as their Achilles heel, with which they can provoke a crisis between these two powerful countries, and help blunt the economic and social destruction that is currently taking place in the U.S. If China and India can start to act like grown-ups and agree to disagree, while at the same time keep moving along a road of mutual cooperation that will benefit not only themselves but the whole world, and unlike the U.S, do it peacefully.
China has settled all its border issues with 14 of its border nations except for China and Bhutan. But with an informal agreement with bhutan and soon to have a settlement with them, India remains the difficult one for a settlement talk. China is the grown-up and India is the recalcitrant child between the two.
The ports of Chabahar & Gwadar are going to be a source of contention & high risk of security conflict in the near future. Think about it, China needs access to the Indian Ocean for imports/exports to Gulf/ME, something India could block during a conflict. Chabahar is the counter to China's encroachment on territory India deems of strategic importance. You could see how this is going to play out if India chooses to side with the U.S to contain China.
Kishore your mentor said it many times india was created by british. Before that it was only a sub continent and many kingdoms lol
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