US Sues Apple For Being an 'Illegal Monopoly'. Are They?
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2024
- The US Department of Justice claims Apple is an illegal monopoly over the smartphone market by locking in customers and making experiences worse for rival products. Are they a monopoly? A new antitrust lawsuit seeks to change many of the ways Apple locks down iPhones into their ecosystem.
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Can we sue the US for miss handling our tax dollars
Best comment in history of YT comments!!!🔥💯
We should sue the Republican Party for misusing tax dollars trying to save Trump’s ass from being convicted for his crimes. And then tax the wealthy their fair share.
We should!.. it’s “we the people!”!
We probably can ngl
It's not about could or couldn't. You should, that's why you're allowed to own guns
It’s not that I disagree with this but how the hell are we not looking at Amazon as a retailer monopoly first? They own and disrupt almost every aspect of a transaction lifecycle.
Or Google which controls the internet! This is a baseless lawsuit.
I am pretty sure all big techs are being investigated atm. It is just that Apple gets more the headlines.
shhh. THey gonna cancel your Prime membership. Source South Park Season 22, Episode 9
You’re absolutely right and I wouldn’t be surprised if Amazon was next. But Apple is still very deserving of this scrutiny as well.
Amazon, Google, Meta, and Apple are all being sued by the DOJ for different antitrust issues. The DOJ has been slowly rolling out the lawsuits. Apple was just the last tech company to be sued, but a few weeks ago it was Google.
They key point you missed about the watch is android allows you to buy and fully use 3rd party watches, iOS blocks feature like the reply function and reserves that just for the apple watch...
I don't agree with Apple being a monopoly, however I do agree that Apple has a lot of unethical business practices. As a tech enthusiasts, I love freedom so I'm on team Android. The good news for Apple however, is that their coffers are full. The DOJ is in for a long ride when trying to mess with a trillion dollar company. Either way, in a battle of a Clash of the Titans, I'm on the side of we the people, more power to us!
As an apple investor and us tax resident.. I'm getting screwed at both ends by idiocy.
Don't be an idiot and Invest in them idiot
Deal with it mofo
good use of your tax dollars hey?
your taxpayer dollars are being used -not to combat mass shootings or homelessness - but to ban TikTok and make iPhones worse to use for everyone. I think even the homeless iPhone user thinks this is idiocy.
So it's better to hose consumers and ruin the overall user experience so you're stocks price well? THAT'S why they're being sued... Because of attitudes like that. Time to sell bro
The Apple Watch claim is one of the most ridiculous. I have a Sony mirrorless camera with an expensive collection of lenses. This makes it more expensive to switch to Canon. Should camera companies be required to make sure all their lenses are compatible with each other ? You can easily think of countless examples of large companies making products that are only compatible with their own brand. Another claim from the DOJ is regarding the blue / green bubbles because that creates social stigma to influence brand loyalty. If you want to link social stigma to antitrust law you'll have to bring in almost everything that uses this including industries such as automotive, clothing, jewelry, watches, wine, cosmetics, social media, and even housing.
many people are arguing that Samsung is cross compatible with other brands like - Samsung galaxy watch is compatible with google pixel and the google pixel watch is compatible with Samsung galaxy phone. and hence apple watch should be too.
but what they don't realize is that Samsung watch and google pixel being connected is not called cross compatibility. Samsung watch and google pixel run the same operating system i.e. android. Hence they connect with each other.
Android for mobile and android for watch(wear OS) are meant to be compatible with each other. so its no surprise that both Samsung and google devices connect with each other
@@ironspider6851 It's all about interfaces, not operating systems. If both sides wanted it to work, it would.
@@erlendse in your opinion, do you think apple watch should be able to connect to android phones. consumers will surely benefit from it but do you think a corporation should be forced to do so?
Also, if apple watch not connecting to android is an issue for people, what about apple pencil? and what about Samsung SmartTag? Samsung SmartTag only works with Samsung devices just like the apple watch works only with the iPhone.
@ironspider6851
Sure, but limited to functions the phone has(not offers).
I have none of the smartwatches myself.
Like SmartTags could likely be just an app on devices with the needed hardware.
For the pen, I do not know if it uses special hardware within the phone. I am no fan of artificial limits, but I totally get it if it is a special solution where half of it is actually in the phone hardware.
Yes, cameras makers should be forced to have their lenses competible with competitors unless there is a technological limitation that prevents it. We know there is no technological limitation with apple, they.made it clear it is about maintaining their monopoly
Hey Brian, i worked in computer technology for 25 years and had my own computer technology class for children as young as 4 years old. I began in the day when you setup or built a system you had to set jumpers. Today it’s plug and pray. I ran Windows and Apple computers and both Apple and Windows Servers. When cell phones came out I’ve been Android until 2 1/2 years ago. Now that I’m retired and Microsoft is getting worse I decided to bail windows and Android. My wife wants to stay with Android. I use Amazon speakers and cameras, I use Roku stick, Fire stick and Apple TV box. I still have my 2012 Mac Mini that runs great. I just bought the M2 MacBook Air 15 inch. I’m still using my Windows 10 desktop until it’s done. I’m retired but work part time for a very large corporations. The Feds enjoy their power and control. You bought your car because you like what they offered you. VW, BMW, FORD, CHEVY AND so on aren’t going to have what you want so you chose what you bought.
How about all the car manufactures which DO NOT allow Apple car play !?? Tesla, GM ………
If the US gov't wins this case vs. Apple, that issue of yours is next because Tesla and other companies are trying to follow Apple's ways: unfair restriction of third-party software or even service/repair.
i seriously don't understand why all manufacturers must allow you to install any OS you want. like seriously, they built the device. you must use the OS which came with it. if you want to install any OS of your choice then, you should build your own device.
@@ironspider6851 I totally agree with you on this. But the DOJ is telling apple how their messaging app or their App Store has to function. So everyone is agains apple, but other brands can do what they want
@@CrisJunkie you always have the choice not to use Apple products. Seriously, any proper company wants to protect their products. I dont get whats wrong with that. It’s not like you dont have a choice. Apples worldwide market share is around 25 % , so clearly there is options
Tesla has their own systems to avoid paying royalties to Apple and Android Auto. It works just fine.
This lawsuit is like a little brother being mad cause the big brother keeps beating him in Mortal Kombat….
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Not really
Just be glad that apple is getting whats been coming to them for a long time
@@BonusCrook by my comment, what makes you think I’d be glad??
@@MikeyBats Well it's weird to not be glad about a better experience with more freedom.
Because you never thought that you ever needed another wallet app (honestly, neither do I), does not means Apple should be allowed to denied devs to create their own. The problem here is strictly on the developer’s side, as they are being force with Apple as the middle man.
Security is what Apple offers with their wallet not other developers wallets. If I were using a different brand of phone in the Android kingdom I would always wonder if that wallet was secure. Android is going to do what ever it please and every brand will do what it please as well. Apple will do whatever it please to secure their customers from hardware to software since all of it belongs to them.
@@kendricrautomusprime You do realised that we use Google Pay on Android, right? - Made and maintained by Google, in case it is not obvious.
Many bank apps can be used as digital wallets too, made and maintained by actually banks. If these apps are not secure, then you got bigger problems than which phone you are using.
That's exactly what it means , it makes the experienced of using other apps on Apples OS bad because they don't fully have access Apples operating system plus they make the process so tedious for developers to get their approval every app update , and take long ass process with that. Further more if they don't have access to improve their app in time it's gonna make other users not want to use it and Apple charges 30 % on all in app purchases plus for it to be on the store
Apple shits on all other Apps and competitors and they make stoopud so they have to build two apps instead of one app
So in the end, is Apple Wallet going to be comprehensive? Or are all of these developers (from banks, etc) going to go off and create their own wallets? and then what? there is never a centralized place for users?
I'm not sure if it has anything to do with a monopoly. But the reason I quit using Apple was all the reasons you talked about out and more. We all use the term Apple Ecosystem for a reason. Ultimately their ecosystem was too expensive and too limiting. They built a beautiful expensive walled garden, just don't look over the wall because everything else is off limits.
I agree with you, I just don’t understand the lawsuit. You didn’t like it, so you switched. People aren’t forced to use Apple, and you’re an example of that…
If they’re upset about a watch not being interchangeable between iOS and android, then why isn’t the same energy applied to game controllers 🧐?
Apple knows that if you buy an Apple watch, you'll lockdown to Apple ecosystem forever 💯
Brian, I think you should speak in front of congress and explain this to them.
unfortunately that would make too much sense for our government. They'd rather have a 90 year old senator ask mark Zuckerberg what wifi is.
Yeah, my Fitbit does share it's data with the Health App on my iPhone. Crazy, huh?
I am from Mexico and 99% of people here with iPhone prefer to use WhatsApp over iMessage, so why is this an issue on the US? I feel this is a psychologic problem more than a TEC problem. it reminds me of high school behavior were students always found ways to create their own social status club though, Clothes, Cars, Luxury Items, Tec etc x) The only Apple iMessage fan boy I know in my own circle from people using iPhones is my own brother, and thats it. Also, why the F$ does apple need to become friendly with competitors? wtf. I would understand if this was an actual monopoly. They should be focusing on actual problems like medical, retirements, pollution etc. There are waaaaay more important issues than this. Politicians are just trying to have a pice of the apple x)
That's why the government has to protect dumb Americans or we get shafted by the corporations
read the case yourself and you'll realize blue/green bubble is not even the main issue!
And also realize it is not truly a monopoly how the claim that it is @@0xedb
And it actually is the main focus point with congress, this is what they are bringing up most often to make a point, things you can't really read in paper @@0xedb
Look these older people in the House Senate and Congress have no clue to what they are going after. They just want a few doors open so they can have access to whatever and make it easy to gain that access. Your right our monies are being wasted.
Not sure how a company with
This is about the us market, us doj only had authority in America. so apple has over 60% us market share not below 40%.
im surprised the DOJ didnt bring up the right to repair
Good point!
Maybe because there's already a class action against Apple about right to repair?
Thats another lawsuit, you'll lose your court case if you add unrelated things
Thanks for sharing. Blessings on your day.
Apple is NOT a monopoly. As a consumer, I have choices. I choose Apple because of their strict policies which i believe makes my devices and information safer.
Same
The reason they are even being punished is because they make it impossible to transfer data, files or holding peoles data hostage and being massively anti consumer there's reasons they are banned in some countries my grandmother had to fight with them to get her shit transferred to another phone so yeah kinda deserved
Not only that, but this is a definition of a monopoly “Definition: A market structure characterized by a single seller, selling a unique product in the market. In a monopoly market, the seller faces no competition, as he is the sole seller of goods with no close substitute.” There are many substitutes for apple products especially the iPhone. There is a big difference between dominance and the market and I’m monopoly in the market. There is plenty of competition against Apple, but if people are choosing Apple, then the competitors need to consider what is it about Apple that people are choosing Instead of them.
@@djb6313I'm not buying it. The techno bigotry over a text bubble color is dumb. Kids bully other kids because they're using a different phone is ridiculous. It's literally phone racism over the color of a text bubble. Meanwhile iPhone sends you a terrible video on text because it's using 30 year old text protocols. It's enough to make you think that iPhones take terrible video.
Apple is a monopoly, but keep in mind the DOJ's lawsuit is alleging that Apple has an illegal monopoly. This tells us that the U.S. is fine with monopolies as long as they're created legally. However, there are several monopolies in the U.S., but it's whether or not the monopoly was created or maintained through possible illegal means or not.
I really think that everyone defending Apple is missing the point. Apple’s practices are absolutely designed to lock people in. I get that Apple doesn’t dominate the entire smartphone market phone market but with people switching to iPhone and pretty much being held prisoner in that eco system, how long until Apple completely dominates the market. Then what’s to stop them from releasing inferior products or other practices that are bad for the consumer. If you’re an Apple fanboy you should be excited at the prospect of Apple needing to innovate to keep people buying their products rather than using shady tactics to keep consumers hooked.
But we still have lots of users choosing Android. Apple users simple choose Apple. No one is really locked.
Apple already give Apple users things they like that they don’t see on Android.
@@manart6506like what?
As an Apple user - much agreed!
@@manart6506 so I have very rarely seen people switch from iPhone to android. And that’s by design. Apple makes the thought of you moving to android feel dirty. It has nothing to do with the phones themselves. They make sure you know it’s those dirty androids that are making your beautiful group chat green. They tell you that if you go to android you’ll be able to FaceTime but the experience is gonna suck. If you want to switch but have an Apple Watch then you’ll just have an expensive bracelet because it’s not gonna work with that galaxy. You see, all this is designed to keep people using Apple. It’s anticompetitive. If Apple wants to keep my business then just keep making better tech than the rest and stop trying to trap me. They won’t do that so the DOJ is going to force them to.
@@jesusguzman11 that doesn’t make sense. FaceTime on Android sucks? Then use some Android compatible video chat app… and why keep an Apple Watch if you buy an Android phone?
The reason why there is no one who is seriously try to develop smartwatches for iPhone nowadays is that all those who do are dead / bought-out. Due to Apple’s third-party restrictions on things, like background-activities/ notification/ messaging/ etc., every smartwatches that is not the AppleWatch will all have bad experiences with loss connection and being unable to interact with your phone through the watch in any meaningful way.
I was using a Fitbit back in the days. Using a Fitbit on the iPhone is far inferior to doing so on Android. I did not realised that until I swapped. And, I was dismissing Fitbit as company as I was blaming them for all the trouble I had.
P.S: Your definition of the “best” smartwatch is different from my. I will gladly trade a lot of the functionalities on the AppleWatch to have 7+ days battery life.
finally, someone who gets it
@@0xedbyou actually presented the best argument here. Maybe Brian can revisit this topic.
Great info Brian 👍🏽
I appreciate your take but let us not act as if Apple does not act anticompetitive. US forced Microsoft to to play more open the same way they are with Apple. I am here for it as someone who uses both platforms daily
I just don’t think they are doing it in a criminal way. They just want to protect their business and customers would not really get much benefit from this. Though I am ok with people suing Apple so maybe we can discovers things that are unfair… though I am not convinced this time.
Dude Microsoft still owns 75% of the OS market!
@@bobweiram6321 I hear you but they create an OS for manufacturers to use, and they were forced to decouple and not force the use of their services/additional software nor make it difficult to choose otherwise. I see the same parallel here with this case. Some of it will not pan out as I expect a heavy fight from Apple including some payment under the table. The same argument Apple uses, other entities are not able to use in many other cases. They seem to be given much "grace" in their practices.
@@manart6506 Maybe not criminal but definitely discriminatory business practices nonetheless. Unfortunately, we have become so accustomed to elite behavior that even the Apple end users do not demand more balanced practices.
@@JRBeckfordBaloney! This is nothing like Microsoft's onerous monopoly which already controlled the desktop, but also wanted to leverage it to control the web. Today, you have a duopoly where Microsoft still controls the desktop and Google controls the web and a huge chunk of the mobile market.
Why is Apple being sued and not Google? iMessage has a paltry market in the US. There's literally 100s of messaging apps out there. You can install any of those messaging apps on any Apple product. Google could have funded RCS decades ago, they only created it after Android users started crying about how Apple users have cool stuff and they don't.
The only valid thing you said is Apple doesn't let other companies walk all over them. Why should they fund the innovation of other monopolies because their products are inferior.
Its all about having a choice
I don't really see a choice when it comes to apple products. If you're not in their ecosystem, using third party apps doesn't fit well.
@@jaughnekowyou do have a choice...you just love apple.
@@jaughnekowbro wdym
@@dancruze I don't love apple, I don't hate them either. It's their fanboys that are annoying.
@@volcano.mitchell I use an android phone and a Mac.
Interaction between these devices is difficult and annoying making work difficult. If not for third-party apps that keep crashing and glitching, I wouldn't know what to do. If I was using an iPhone, it would be easier but I don't like iPhones because they're so restrictive and tell me how I should run my phone.
But i wanna know - if they do allow will this allow governments access to our systems without our consent...
This.
No
No. Not related, governments can already access your data without your consent
I would LOVE to see the triumphant return of prizefight!!
That’s what happens when a company becomes too successful
I love Apple and use a lot of their products including the iPhone, MacBook, Apple Watch, iPad, and Apple TV. I do think they have always had some monopolistic practices and continue to, although to your point Brian, I think the government doesn’t understand things based on what they are highlighting. The iMessage one definitely is the biggest issue. At the moment, if I text an Android user, the message is unencrypted because Apple chooses so far not to support RCS (even if they’ve said they would after immense pressure), and the experience of texting with Android users, particularly in group chats is terrible because Apple chooses to make it terrible. Also, Apple forces all 3rd party browsers to use Safari on the back end. I understand their reasoning, but it should be the consumer’s choice. Finally, until recently, when you got an iPhone, the default browser was always safari, and it was really problematic to change that. The default mail program was Apple’s etc. These are things that Microsoft deservedly got dinged for by the US government and had to change.
I dont see the problem with that at all.
And let’s not forget the fact that they force you to use the highly inferior Apple Maps by default.
@@jesusguzman11 lol, then buy a different product if you don't like it? lol thats like buying a car then complaining about all the features it has. LMAO
@@dancruze I can see where you would think that but that’s not a one for one analogy. It would be like a car manufacturer making a car and then artificially making it so you had to buy their tires even though there are better tires on market. You being forced to use a specific piece of software is not a “feature”. It’s an artificial way of keeping you dependent on them.
@@dancruze and I have a feeling you’re going to say something like “well Apple doesn’t force you, you can use anything you want”
And I get that, but they purposefully make the experience worse when you want to use something different. If you click an address 9 times out of 10 it’s going to automatically open Apple Maps. You have to actually copy the address and paste it into Google maps or Waze. It would be just as easy for Apple to let you choose your favorite map system but they don’t do it. And it seems like I’m harping on this maps thing but it’s what they do with just about everything. They go out of their way to make other experiences worse just so that you rely on them and always go back to them.
I’m not an Apple hater. I’m typing this from my iPhone. I just want Apple to be held accountable and be forced to do what’s best for the customer and not just for their bottom line
So basically, Apple is being sued for being too good?
yes and also being manipulative and restrictive
Excellent take on this...
I think they should have gone after repairability, apple make it a pain to easily fix the iphone
They are basically punishing a company for being successful and having foresight...
People who make software should make their own hardware.
that's total BS
With the addition that you don’t complain when other platforms ask for money for using them instead of something you made yourself
No
Dedicated Apple user here, and I can’t stand iMessage/Messages because of the green bubbles. It’s a subpar experience, any other messaging app is years ahead of Apple on interoperability across all devices. I have all Apple devices and yet still avoid Messages like the plague because of those stupid green bubbles and subpar functionality with other users.
A sensible Apple user who gets it.
"I never really heard the term super apps" I wonder why...
As an Apple investor, I’m very happy they’re getting sued. They’ve been bullying everyone, from developers to repairs people to their own customers, for years. They really deserve this and need to change their company culture ASAP, for their own good and their own reputation.
You can love Apple but also recognize that they use unfair labor practices, hindering third party apps, default choice, and lock in. Don't forget Microsoft getting anti trusted made them invest in Apple which at the time, was a lifeline.
Many corporations have a lot of unfair practices. Why is apple singled out?
@@dancruze Many are corrupt so lets release all of them.
@@dancruze Are they really being singled out, though? Have they been the only one sued? Amazon has been sued. Facebook has been sued. Google has been sued. Uber has been sued. Come on now. Didn't they sue Microsoft before for the same reason?
where was the government when google was stopping windows phone from getting Google apps on their Windows phone like UA-cam?????
Great Video!
Sounds like the DOJ is about to take a rare L.
Time will tell
listen to the case, apple is in deep waters like microsoft years ago
lol, the DOJ will have their way. when haven't they
More like a common L
It's not about you. You not needing a wallet app doesn't mean others don't need it. Apple takes 30% cut for their services. Millions of people need an alternative wallet app, just that many don't even know
you miss 100% of the shots you dont take. For example, if meta only had quest link id be screwed because it was basically unplayable and all the settings in the world didn't make it better (maybe now its good, but at least when it came out), luckily they allowed 3rd party apps like ALVR which is open source, steam link and Virtual desktop. There is no reason to not allow that sort of innovation, and I would have returned the quest otherwise. Fk meta tho still, for other reasons
Most people will be fine with the default one. Maybe services like paypal get an exception, but that's it.
Phones should be platforms on which companies other than the manufacturer can sell their software and products without limitations. The fact that I cannot buy Kindle books on my iPhone is ridiculous. Apple had no right to attempt to charge 30% on the sale of every Kindle book, which is why you cannot buy Kindle books on an iPhone.
I have 6 Tb disk drives on my cheap gaming PC. It is wrong that Apple limit you to 4 Tb of SSD storage and that to get 4 Tb you must buy it (at an unreasonably high price) when you first buy the system. Intel Macs used to be fully upgradable computers which is why many people buy cheap 2015 Macs and then update storage and RAM to the max.
Unfortunately yes, Apple does have many restrictions on users and developers.. But will removing these make the experience better for us?
And yes, other smartwatches work or used to work on iPhone, but Apple restricted many functions (including health) which is silly given that you have already said that the Apple watch is the best smartwatch.
if imessage is considered monopoly. then sue the rest of the messaging apps only able to message other people using the same messaging apps
WhatsApp should be sued for collecting data for facebook
That makes no sense. iMessage is basically a messaging app but when you literally create bigotry and wreck the user experience for others using antiquated tech in texting under the guise of "ours is simply better" when it's not? That's not fair. So many great videos of one of a kind moments lost in sharing horrible video quality. It's also not very good on Apple's part. If you send me a video and it looks terrible I'm going to assume your iPhone is horrible at video and wonder why people would buy them. I wouldn't necessarily listen to Tim Cook with his "buy your mom an iPhone" answer.
@@DSarDarkstar Could it be that SMS, which the carriers control, doesn't provide the same kind of capabilities that Apple Messages can? Shouldn't they sue the carriers because SMS doesn't support end to end encryption or high resolution videos? Because that's all the green bubbles thing is. A way to know that you're texting someone using SMS vs. using an end-to-end encrypted technology.
@@brendan1 No. You've got it wrong. Carriers don't use SMS anymore. It's ancient tech. The entire #GetTheMessage (which Apple refused until recently thanks to the EU ) campaign was about the mass adoption between all platforms to adopt RCS protocol which enabled end to end encryption, read receipts, active typing indicators, real video transfer etc. It's this exact reaction that shows iPhone users are so locked into their walled garden they didn't know what was really going on in the real tech world.
this is not how it works. you can instal other messaging apps on ay smartphone, you cant do the same with iMessages.
Mono = one, only, single
Can you buy another phone that is not apple ? Yes
Then is not a monopoly period.
you dum dum, thats not how it works. when microsoft was sued, the Mac was still present but Microsoft was still sued and they budged , in order to level the playing field for Apple back then . it will be the same
seems like certain android companies might take things into their own hands in the meantime
YES!!! I love the prize fight idea. Not just with Apple va DOJ, but with other products.
I'm an iPhone user and I definitely feel stuck. There's so many things about android I like, but I've spent so much money on devices. I only work with Apple products that it's almost like your trapped and then when you think about the green bubble blue bubble thing, this was totally done by Apple. I consider it to be tech racism, nobody cares who they message Apple us care message and I don't think that's really right to do personally I just wanna message people freely and have everything worked fine. Definitely a garden that's feels impossible to get out of by design.
Why do you care about the color of text messages? 😮💨
@@Bloooo95 Why do the colors matter?
The lack of features between cellular devices would be the real issue.
I think this is a frivolous lawsuit and I bet Apple will win this one.
you clearly haven't read the case and don't know much about early Microsoft
Ask Microsoft how this goes....please like WTF took so long. Their practices are anticompetitive just like what Microsoft did in the 90s with the browser.
Watching the Apple propaganda will get you nowhere.
OMG THE PRIZE FIGHT! Ahhh that goes BACK!
Imagine buying a new Toyota. And having to purchase Toyota tires, oil, filters, brakes, and everything else from the dealership. Just picture that!
And only other toyota drivers can see the turn direction on your turn signals. Others can only see you have the turn signal on.
The messing with messaging between phones making a bad experience for some others is suspect. Or what's your take?
I think the DOJ should’ve developed a clear definition of a tech monopoly before they sued Apple.
yeah. the points they mentioned have nothing to do with the word "monopoly".
@@ironspider6851 Actually it seems like they are criminalizing anything Proprietary or exclusive. Apple shouldn’t be forced to operate like a non-profit, open source group just because they are big. That’s just criminalizing success.
Tax money well spent 🙄
It is well spent because if DOJ wins, it will make the smartphone market more competitive. The iPhones have stagnated for years while the prices have gone up. They only need to make incremental improvements because their users are locked in and it's difficult to switch.
@@kaaybombBy more competitive you mean the lack of inventions at the Android market required Apple to open its secure platform and robust echo system, make it miserable, just to share its success and help other miserable brands? You think your tax money is better spent curbing a local successful business to help oversee brands compete instead of encouraging local brands stay home and double down on investments home?
You think Apple locks people in their walled garden caged echo system and propel are stupid and too weak to decide to buy another product? Are you 10yo or drunk?!
Logic man, read and educate!
The only reason DoJ is doing this is not because they love you and care about you!
It’s because they are broke and they ran out of ideas so now they’re trying to copy the broke EU gangsters to hit rich brands like Apple with silly ransoms, and make some easy money.
The other reason is, they are fed up with Apple not granting them back doors and encryption keys like all other who bent over long ago, so they’re trying to make Apple bend over, beg them and hand them users data!
You pick the side you see fit your morals and values. But it’s not about protecting users and startups. Only a naive will think that.
One last thing, no one is forced to buy a brand or a product when there are many competitors out there, especially cheaper. People do that because they know from experience they’re will get better value, quality, privacy, security and ROI when they pay little extra. And buying an iPhone or Mac doesn’t mean one is a sheep or forced or thinks the brand is flawless and all their decisions are on the consumer side, bla bla bla. They’re all corporate who care about shareholders and share price. But smart people prefer to get value for their hard earned cash rather than paying for utter rubbish like when you pay for other brands.
agree to disagree. Forcing Apple to make Android better is not justice. iPhone users remain iPhone users because it is better. It’s closed source if they force Apple to open up I’ll have to seriously reconsider what I use my phone for, in other words, no more tap to pay for me. Too easy to hack NFC.
@@BMar1andonly They closed the source to stymie the competition. Their goal is to enrich their shareholders just like any other companies. By locking in their customers and making it really onerous to switch, they are essentially killing off the future competitions, not just Android.
it’s closed sourced verse open sourced to vet the apps for compliance to their terms and conditions which includes privacy, security, and safety. Perhaps other companies should have avoided making a business model reliant on a user’s personal data and selling said data to please their shareholders. You pay the “apple tax” to ensure your privacy and security. I enjoy turning on my Apple TV and not seeing ads. The thought of a Fire TV or Android TV gives me anxiety just thinking about all the ads just on the main screen, lol. That doesn’t even count all the other data they steal from their users like location or contacts.
The only issue I have with Apple is not allowing RCS functionality with iPhone users. Not having messages encrypted or allowing any higher than 240p videos to be sent via text is asinine. Not everyone wants to download 3rd party messaging apps just to send a video or photos.
👍 informative video
Shame that you don't seem to want to see the merit of this lawsuit
It's a bout breaking the unfair restrictions and 'fees' (fines)..
It's about giving users (all of us) the ability to choose and make decisions.
Why don’t you use devices that allow that? I’m not trying to troll, I just want to understand
So STOP using apple products. I don't get this stupid response "it's about giving users (all of us) the ability to choose and make decisions." I have switched to Android 2x over 30 years of buying apple stuff and There is no other ecosystem out there that compares to it. You always have choice no one has a gun to your head. YOU know the apple stuff is better and want it to be like android yet be amazing (Like apple) so you're mad apple is not doing that. That's a you problem. You want choice go to Android it's literally the reason I switched to it and the reason I stopped using it. Choice on android is its biggest weakness and also it's greatest strength.
If you made the hardware and software of your company, told everyone what your terms are; what's unfair?
What’s stopping u from buying other brands?
"It's about giving users (all of us) the ability to choose and make decisions."- who said i don't have a choice? I'm using android because i have a choice. no one is forcing you to use apple.
What a waste of money this is going to be for the government
I like Apple because it’s a good system that doesn’t allow all the open access to my personal information
ANY HUMAN WHO DEFENDS APPLE NEEDS TO CHECK THEIR MENTAL HEALTH STATUS.
How do we ban together and tell the DOJ to not mess our Apple ecosystem!
How about Apple play nice and stop their nonsense? It's not that hard to make an iMessage app or allow Samsung and Google Pay apps on their ecosystem. They would actually gain a large swath of users and make the world a better place for all of us.
What an apple sheep. Apple literally locks down certain features making them worse they deserve every piece of this lawsuit
@@kevinsoto9102 exactly and I really lost respect for Brian with him simping this hard for Apple. He didn't acknowledge any of the issues Apple has created. Windows OS was actually really good and ahead of its time. Microsoft even tried to release a Windows phone with Android OS but Apple made that impossible.
Nothing will be messed though 😂 LEARN TO READ.
Maybe a petition. If you find a way, I’m in.
Brian, I think it is really wrong for governments anywhere in the world to try and interfere with a companies business model. I buy into Apple because I love the fact I don’t need to worry about dodgy apps on the App Store. I love that software and hardware work seamlessly. I want to buy the Apple Watch and never have I wanted to buy anything else. I don’t want Apple Watch to work on Android.
It’s like anything, products and services have their pros and cons. BMW don’t make an awesome engine to only have to allow KIA copy it. I am from Australia and we follow almost everything the US do so I am very worried about this.
How can you be worried about something that will only make the experience better for you and other people? That's super weird, this is about making life better for you as a consumer.
@@engrire8458 That's the point - Apple chose to work on quality and privacy. Long ago Apple was much less hacked than Microsoft and others. If I don't like my iPhone experience ... I really can switch to an Android... It's my choice. It's like cars - if I want to go loud and fast, I can get a Ferrari. If I want long life and easy maintenance, I can get Lexus. If I want reliable and less luxury, I can buy Honda or Toyota. If I need a good truck, I can go F-150. If I prefer Apple or Android, I am free to choose, and the Market will decide the better company ... not government interference ... that will Not protect the user... instead looking out for large competitors or developers, at the expense of the consumer.
@@hanksimon1023 finally someone with a brain. I'm an android user and i agree with all your points.
if you prioritize sideloading of apps and jailbreaking use android.
but if you want more privacy use iPhone.
suing apple for not having android features is like suing Ferrari for not making family cars because their competitors ford, Chevrolet, Toyota makes family cars.
@@hanksimon1023 Sure you can choose, apple makes it hard but you can do it. That doesn't have anything to do with what I said. I am questioning why some of you are so against possible new features which will purely benefit the consumer. Buying a whole new phone with a whole new os for a basic feature such as sideloading isn't ideal for the people who want that functionality. You don't want that functionality? That's fine, don't use it. And upgrading from sms to rcs is an objectively good thing. I am not speaking on if it is a monopoly or not as I am no legal expert, all I am saying is being against these new features is selfish and ignorant.
@@engrire8458 Ok, Understood. So, bypassing the Legal noise.... I think the point that you're making [?] is the discussion of Open Architecture [Like Microsoft, Unix etc.] vs. a Closed Architecture that Apple uses. On Smart Phones, I think this issue has been around for almost 20 years. But, the Open vs. Closed goes back before the 1980s competition of the Apple O/S vs. the Microsoft O/S [where Microsoft was significantly more successful ... initially]. IBM, PDP, VAX, HP, and Texas Instruments also had these issues for various reasons. But, the problem with an Open Architecture, even limited, like some Linux variants, is that other countries, bad actors, and hackers will explore and exploit and weaknesses. So, 'over' protection is a safeguard against the barbarians. A line is drawn that may restrict some capabilities to maintain protections. And, this is not paranoia... it is actual fact, from Russian and Chinese Hackers... as well as others.
Great perspective Brian! I could understand (and agree) if they went after Amazon instead. They should have taken a page from the EU by passing regulation to…”regulate” business practices, but “suing” Apple seems disingenuous.
What about Samsung or Google?
They are interoperable. Samsung watch can be used with Google Pixel and Pixel watch with Samsung Galaxy.
@@shashankdegloorkar Samsung watch and google pixel run the same operating system i.e. android. Hence they connect with each other.
Android for mobile and android for watch(wear OS) are meant to be compatible with each other. so its no surprise that both Samsung and google devices connect with each other
@@ironspider6851who is stopping them then? Oh it’s Apple.
We know Brian is an apple lover.... this will of course be biased Yes, they are a monopoly and ethically very problematic.
Agreed. He cannot even see his own bias. He spent four times the time talking about how stupid the DOJ is meanwhile he quickly skipped over any good points they made. I think Brian does not want to anger his Apple sheep community. 🐏
@@emman100 It was so interesting. I was actually at the apple store when they were applauding Brian Tong as he was walking out of the store when Apple had just won a lawsuit. He and everyone at the store looked like cult followers... lol..... Apple winning a lawsuit isn't you winning a personal lawsuit
@@jenvogue5005 That's good. It is good for Brian to get the applauds he deserves from his Apple sheep community. Jokes aside though, don't you think it is strange that most of the people in the comment section agree with him? I went through the whole comment section and like 90% of people agree with him. I just think that is really strange once you think about it. He seems to be making a video for them to like rather than being neutral.
Are they anti-competitive? Yes. Are they a monopoly? I don't think so.
It still blows my mind that iMessage is used so much in the states. No one I know uses iMessage 😂
Sounds like they are trying to find a way to fine (tax) Apple
Yes they are
Face it, Apple's about to have this outdated case thrown out. What's even more laughable about this lawsuit is the same members of the DOJ use iPhones 😂🤦♂
They use iPhones but they're tech illiterates. Most phone users are.
There’s no monopoly they’re reaching for straws. They may want Apple to do what Google did with Android give it out. Remember what happened to all the Apple clones. Apple is the one that came after Microsoft, Palm, Blackberry and others that made a perfect system that brought Star Trek to the year 2007 and just left every manufacturer scrambling. They set the bar extremely high that no one has caught up to yet. They made their OS friendly the store awesome when no one wanted to keep their products in the old retail stores for decades, so they did themselves created their own store market online. It was the best thing that ever happened to them. If no one can’t deal with what they have created and the security don’t buy an iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch or even a Mac of any sort. There wasn’t a lot companies out there wanting to make software or hardware for Apple for decades. I will leave it there and let that sink into everyone’s mind. The powerful underdog getting picked on. lol 😆
Google does the same thing with pixel phones you can’t use Samsung pay on a pixel only Google pay
You can use Samsung Pay/Google Pay both
don't talk about android again lol clearly you don't know what you're talking about.
The DOJ, broke up AT&T which led to a fractured company not able to fully innovate and invest in the digital era, with cellular, internet, Wi-Fi, fiber optic all a decade or more behind.
Brian, there is no fierce phone competition in the United States. Where is Oppo, Vivvo, Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE, Honor, and more? You walk into any store that sells phones, and you get 2 main options. Apple and Samsung. I wouldn't call that fierce competition. Yes, there are other crappy phones in the back of the store. I truly believe Apple and Samsung lobbied D T and the rest of the GOP when they were in power to black ball Huawei. Huawei was about to release devices with AT&T and T-Mobile and D T government pressured them not to sell Huawei devices because of the security risk. Forget that Apple and Google have all our personal information from everyone we know to our pictures and bank info, and can pinpoint where we are at any moment, but our government was afraid of Chinese Huawei?🤨🤔
The reason why China is building up a military to fight the USA and every company in China is owned by the state and now the schools are controlled by China something Mao didn't even do so yeah
Bro relax. TikTok handled the Chinese connection very well remember America is not the only country in the world and china is not a friend.
Also, if I remember correctly, President Obama made sure that no Huawei server equipment was being used in any government office network infrastructure because of spying components being detected embedded within their systems.
@just-a-bajan6643 Neither is Russia, so I hope you keep all this in mind when you vote in 2024. Also, I wasn't speaking on who our friends are.
Yeah. American people are pretty strange
Ps. Am using OPPO N2 and SurfaceDUO...
Been an iPhone user for so long but the green bubbles thing is super annoying and it is something that could have been opened up but has not so far. Also, iCloud backup is another closed option. Would be great if you were able to pick the cloud provider, but once again no. If these two things were opened up I would have tried other phones in years past. Particularly a Samsung phone but couldn’t step away from the ecosystem many family members are part of it.
Lots of monopolies in the USA nowadays.
I remember when Microsoft strong armed it's integration of Internet Explorer into it's Windows platform and it put 3rd party browsers in a very odd situation of not being able to compete. A very simple scenario that Microsoft lost. It was the DOJ that came after them in the 90's.
With everything that Apple has done to integrate it's own products into their smartphone platform and putting 3rd party developers in an awkward situation, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
4:17 others watches CAN be used with other phones. Example Samsung watches are compatible with Android OS versions, not the phone it is running on. There may be a need for an app for full features but it is not as restrictive or binary as Apple? Cause for a lawsuit 🤷♀️not my call.
My question to that is why?? We are talking about two different operating systems here, two different hardware platforms two different experiences. Why try to force everyone to be the same. Android is by far the the more dominant platform worldwide, so why look to pressure the smaller platform to comply with the bigger platform??
Seems like something “is up” to me.
You can use a Samsung watch with any Android phone, and some previous Samsung watches could also be used with IOS. To this day, Apple doesn't offer an Apple watch app in the Google Play store. Apple could do that, but they opt not to. Apple could also offer imessage in the Google Play store.
But I get why they don’t. I wouldn’t do it in their position either. And I wouldn’t think it is unfair because doing it that way the iMessages app seem to be in disadvantage to apps like Telegram and WhatsApp… like here in Mexico, everyone uses WhatsApp.
Why didn't Google and the telecoms join forces long ago and created a better messaging service? They didn't give a damn until Apple kicked ass! iMessage is just one of literally hundreds of messaging apps which includes Whatsapp. This lawsuit is stupid!
Oh, I forgot mention the DOJ wants Apple to support super apps, which are monopolies in certain markets
No
Thete are somr aspects i see, such as not using RCS to mske dharing between iPhone &: Android (though they say thid will chsmgr this year). Also, limiting ehat non-Apple Watches can do on the iPhone
Yeah so I think You're missing the point of the smartwatch It wasn't to say that Android watches can't go over to Apple os and vice versa it was that third party watches for the apple platform Don't work as well not because the technology isn't there but because Apple software blocks them from doing certain things. Example I have a Samsung watch and I have a Motorola watch which works well with a Samsung phone a Google phone any android phone. Now maybe the apple watch is that much better but that's why they're going to court.
To me that’s similar to saying that BMW must make sure that their entertainment system must work will all other vehicles. It seems that they are trying to stifle innovation and creativity and competition. Why is there a push to make everyone the same. Yet Android dominates over 70% of the world market.
Not trying to defend Apple here, but something seems off to me.
@@just-a-bajan6643 nah it would be like bmw would have to make sure they don't sabotage the 3rd party entertainment systems from working properly in BMWs
Finally. It is not the 30% number that is the problem, it is the fact that Apple has absolute power over every apps in IOS. Over the years, they have demonstrated that they would bend the rules whenever and however they wanted; by selectively applying their App Store rules on difference developers and giving some apps advantages over others.
The US government should never dictate to companies how to use their technology or create technology for the consumers. I am tied into the apple ecosystem just like you, and it is designed to work synergistically with all of its components. App integration is better with iOS. I was unaware about a few factors that you brought out, namely lol the one concerning CarPlay. Wow that is absurd, really.
Anyhow, Brian… that was a great analysis and breakdown. I do believe this is going to be a long battle that will probably stretch up to 2030 but in the end I believe Apple will come out victorious because there’s a lot of factors that need to be considered here in relation to how technology is dictated by the government.
Why isn’t the DOJ targeting them for locking and preventing third party repair or the fact that they are doing obsolescence
Great content, but does this one sided argument which was well presented I must say, has to do with your current invitation to apple headquarters and previous video about that? what I am asking is, if you where taking sides on this video because you felt like you owe apple something for the visit video ?
This is what you get if the average age of your congress is 70 years old !
wait, Tong... you said it was a primarily a US antitrust issue.. and superapps like WeChat isn't really used in the US..then moved on. What is the point of the American Department of Justice in mentioning an app no one's ever heard of in the jurisdiction?
They're saying part of the reason is that Apple's deliberately degrading the quality/security of some of those third-party apps. If they're not doing anything to those third-party apps, then there's no issue. But they must have evidence to support their case.
The lawsuit is idiotic. If they made the Windows Phone and Fire Phone fail then when are we suing Amazon for the damages they caused to other stores?
It's not hard to switch to Android, I did it, then switched back, now have a phone on each platform. Not to mention iOS and Android operate pretty dang similiarly so it's not a hard learning curve to switch. It's not like going from driving a car to learning how to ride a motorcycle. You can pick up and Android phone and figure it out pretty fast.
Messaging doesn't suck, there are tons of options you can use. Same goes for phones and watches, there are a ton of options to fit your needs. I ditched the Apple Watch, tried some other smart watches, then came back to Apple Watch when the Ultra came out.
The 15-30% cut on apps is the SAME policy as the Google Play Store.
We have all sorts of real issues plaguing everyday Americans and the fact that our government wastes their time on this is absurd.
I like older iPhones because they retain alot of features newer ones don't have, but I quit buying new apple products along time ago, because I don't like Apples business practices. They're incredibly scandalous, and aren't innovative anymore. They just make "money grabs".
Apple isn’t a monopoly and I think the DOJ will lose this case. There’s no way Apple will cede control over key areas of their platform. However, I do think this smoke is good for Apple because they have become too comfortable. They need to move things along in the innovation space.
microsoft even budged lmao, apple definitely will
I have seen how this channel evolves. From the early days of Brian being very technology-centric, to currently, apple biased. I cant help to feel due to the marketing-ties he has with Apple, to be more neutral or pro-apple reviews. Gone were the days of GOOD APPLE, BAD APPLE
If you've watched I still do them...not sure what you're talking about.
Agreed. He has become very biased.
Are they going to do the same thing with Tesla and it’s 59% of the US EV Marketshare and the limitations on use their network by other EVs?
It seems fishy to me that the lawsuit is happening now considering th app store has been around for so long, why wasn't it brought fourth sooner?
Blue bubble is literally…
I believe that apple should support RCS. Imessage should remain only apple.
They will iOS 18
They've already announced this is coming.
bubble color is even the least of the issues. Taking 27% cut of profits from alternative app stores in the EU is straight up fraud!
Idk what they're talking about, i've been cloud streaming from my xbox and pc to my iphone....
Apple is far from a monopoly however they brought this on themselves. They could have relented on certain aspects of their walled garden to play better with others and they could/would have avoided this lawsuit. Adopting features like RCS and USB-C earlier and making their app store more user/client-friendly would have gone a long way to soothing the savage politician.
Apple has always been very anti-competitive so even though I love my iPhone I'm glad this is happening.
Would rather they sue them for storage prices that’s their biggest sin
4:14 the smartwatch debate is null because there are digital smartwatches that are platform agnostic… and then there are os based smartwatches that have deep ties into the apps and functionality of a phone … the apps are connected to their watch companion the watches that aren’t based on android wear or watch is do not offer this functionality outside of Fitbit