Well bloody hell Gazza Lad, and to think all these years I just thought that the Hysteria Gram thingy was just to warn me when Orcs and Goblins were nearby!!
As a rule, I ignore any video with “histogram“ in the title. As a subscriber, I made an exception for yours - and I’m glad I did. This is the best histogram video I’ve ever seen. You’ve done an excellent job of explaining and demonstrating the way the histogram works. It is surprising to me how many experienced photographers get this wrong. That’s not going to be a problem for anyone watching this video. Well done!
haha thanks mate!! ill omit that word from any future video!! just for you! haha.. yes i do get frustrated! theres a few others i could do but itd be obvious as to who im referring to haha
Somethings need a proper rant! Well made. Happy that I started with astrophotography first and learned my histogram basics there. Makes it much easier to understand in daylight photography ;)
Fantastic driving home the idea of what you see in the frame is what you get. It all makes perfect sense. What would help me understand better is learning how to expose to the right, and how would I know if it is clipping just by looking at the histogram?
thanks john.. i showed in the video mate.. when the graph touches the right its clipping.. go as far to the right (ETTR) as you can without it touching.. unless you want it to clip (the sun)
Finally!!! Thanks for a righteous video. I was so sick of all the crap about the histogram. Most All of the well respected UA-camrs many of them are wrong about the histogram. When if you shoot a photo of a family at night and if you shoot that same family in the same spot in the daytime you going to have a totally different histogram. I am so happy for your demeanor and saying how wrong almost everybody is about the histogram. Histograms has more to do with the degrees of light and what the camera is seeing. And, in that, the camera only sees light and that’s what the histogram is going to show. It’s more important to understand exposure and the histogram together and then your histogram is very very vital but if one does not understand exposure, then what the histogram trying to show you And you trying get a hump in the middle-as you well said, it is ludicrous on what to many photographer are saying as to how to understand the histogram. Thanks!
Gareth that was a brilliant video. I am still in the whole scale of things quite new to photography and had never heard of the exposure triangle let alone a histogram and your right many of the UA-cam videos I watched was all about getting a hump on the middle. Thank you for a easy to understand and experienced based tutorial . It’s ok to have a rant now and again. Take care Trev
I found this so useful, I'm a very new photographer and I'm really making an effort to know all the technical aspects of my camera and not just point and shoot at what I think might look nice. So understanding the histogram I feel like is essential to getting what I want out of photography. Thanks for this 👍
I get it. I do use histogram ....sometimes But mainly.... using mirrorless xt3 I just dial in my settings to expose correctly as to how I'm seeing my scene through the viewfinder. Basically doing it by eye. My shooting style is too casual to worry about a little bit of highlight clipping. Life's too short. Hope you had a nice hot long bath after this. 😄👍
Best rant ever. Makes my blood boil when somebody tells me they saw on u tube, the "lump" is correct. Thanks to you i can now refer them to this video. Cheers mate.
I think (think!) I just about understand the histogram now, well I know I do but usually in post when I can think about it properly! In an ideal world I’d use it whilst taking shots, but with regards clipping, does anyone think its ok to rely on the highlight clipping warning as next best?
Histogram , Ok so I won't now get the hump if I don't a hump in the middle , as long as its not creeping up both ends or just one end especially the right I'll be happy. Got it. Thank you for putting me right on it.
Its good to understand the physics of what a histogram is as it just simply helps you better understand the scene and the difference between human eyes and camera sensors. The human eye seeing many more stops of light than a sensor. In reality we all work differently and enjoy our own unique ways. Its art after all.
Not at all. But when you need to GUARANTEE accurate exposures and need the most out of your sensor, there’s no better way. Plus you can’t see your screen in bright light. And evfs aren’t accurate 😊
Rant accepted. Hahahahaha. Nice mate. I shot some moody portraits yesterday with a black backdrop and a single speed light. I looked at the histogram just to make sure I wasn’t clipping then ignored it and trusted my eyes. Great video.
Hi Gareth, this was great. On a few bits I thought I was listening to Ricky Gervais with a welsh accent!! It was great entertainment for those who already have a reasonable understanding of what a histogram is but how about a super cool, prepared and rehearsed explanation for novices. This could be the start of a whole new series of tutorials.
hahaha funny you should say that! one of my customers says im like him haha.. also another weird thing.. im actually in the process of starting a beginners section.. seems lots will be interested.. any ideas for topics to cover? :-)
@@GarethDanks There are all the basics, obviously, but something most novices don't realise is the dramatic effect on mood that using very high ISO can achieve
And breath, you are absolutely right Gareth. It annoys me that people don't get the relationship. You have to use the histogram to know what will clip and what will be. white or black. good rant and well delivered.
Great rant. I use a nikon D600 ff and a nikon D7200 dx both these cameras dont have a on screen histogram. so a bit more alkward but take a shot and you can see a histogram on play back.
You are definitely ranting more in your recent video's!! But.... you are so correct and therefore helpful in your approach!!!... keep them coming mate just don't become a JL whom I love to follow!! which i know as a Englishman you won't!!
This is why I just show images in my videos with no technical advice, because I’m rather shit at it 😂 but this was super helpful, cheers Gareth! Also I’m glad you had a rant because somebody needs to, UA-cam is becoming (has been for a while but getting worse) saturated with a lot of shit information.
A good demonstration you make is given in Chris Sale's video "How NOT to Process a Landscape Photograph with Adobe Lightroom" ua-cam.com/video/ga4muQmKsVU/v-deo.html At 4.48 Chris states that his editing process is aimed at moving the histogram peaks for both highlights and shadows towards the centre (a statement I noticed you questioned in the comments). The result of this was an edit that on reflection Chris was clearly not happy with.
Oh I like it when you get mad.............Which video's are they then. I must have missed those channels. Perhaps not, sounds like I haven't missed anything except crap. Well done that Gareth, well said.
haha.. that was really funny. AND i'd only just heard about the this crazy theory of the 'histogram hill'.. what the hell are they talking about i thought. congratulations you've just taken a photo of BLAND. more of this!
Gareth I was going to be cheeky. Would you like to be my mentor? I’m trying to build my photography business in Cardiff. I was homeless for 3 years till 2years ago and I want to support myself with the business and then help the homeless with it. I do street photography and have a Canon Dslr and lenses plus tripod. I also have a Go Daddy website. If you haven’t got time I will understand but I haven’t got anybody I admire like you for being excellent at photography who could and would challenge me to get better as they would be honest about my work. No pressure but if you don’t ask you don’t get. Please let me know.
A bit less Danksy than your How To from last year. Unless, to take a Freudian tack, there's a Danksy ID lurking beneath your presentational Ego, repressed by a jealous Superego whose grip on the lid has been slackened by UA-camrs fixated on mid-grey. Perhaps that's mellodramatic?! Last year's video was lean and structured and makes me wonder if you've thought of showing how you adjust for different pictures in Lightroom? I find myself going for a silvery, slightly contrasty tone, and treat the whole graph as an elastic indicator of a how to get a desired tonal shape within the outer limits. For e.g. raising the exposure lifts and stretches shadow details towards the right, and raising contrast pulls middle tones outwards to the ends. Whatever I do with the shape seems to need to fit what I want to do with different areas of the picture. Should it be that dependent on the available picture information and (versus?) an imagined result? Or is there meant to be a 'textbook' approach? I wonder what your thoughts might be?
I never use the histogram. I always have it turned off and rely solely on my eyes. Never failed me yet. Don’t understand the fascination with the histogram. You don’t walk down the street and rely on one. You use your eyes and they adjust accordingly. You know when it’s too bright and you put on sunglasses. Too much made of it. People rely on it and then end up with a crap picture because they were trying to balance the histogram rather than looking at the scene and using their judgement.
each to their own mate.. glad your doing good without it.. id never be without it but that suits me.. interestingly tho, surely your eyes have some kind of metering system to tell the iris to open or close? isnt a burned retina like a clipped image?
You're getting old, you can rant like a miserable old so and so, lol. Think it's been said before, learn the basic principles of photography (like before digital), and all of these things become so much easier to understand. PS loved your reverse "lump" with the white box and black binoculars !
Finally!!! Thanks for a righteous video. I was so sick of all the crap about the histogram. Most All of the well respected UA-camrs many of them are wrong about the histogram. When if you shoot a photo of a family at night and if you shoot that same family in the same spot in the daytime you going to have a totally different histogram. I am so happy for your demeanor and saying how wrong almost everybody is about the histogram. Histograms has more to do with the degrees of light and what the camera is seeing. And, in that, the camera only sees light and that’s what the histogram is going to show. It’s more important to understand exposure and the histogram together and then your histogram is very very vital but if one does not understand exposure, then what the histogram trying to show you And you trying get a hump in the middle-as you well said, it is ludicrous on what to many photographer are saying as to how to understand the histogram. Thanks
Well bloody hell Gazza Lad, and to think all these years I just thought that the Hysteria Gram thingy was just to warn me when Orcs and Goblins were nearby!!
hahahaha bloody brilliant!! love that!! it tells you how crap your image is!! turn it off mate!! its wrong haha
@@GarethDanks 🤣🤣🤣👍 I’ll stick bit of leccy tape on the flip screen where it appears dude! 🤣🤣🤣
As a rule, I ignore any video with “histogram“ in the title. As a subscriber, I made an exception for yours - and I’m glad I did. This is the best histogram video I’ve ever seen. You’ve done an excellent job of explaining and demonstrating the way the histogram works. It is surprising to me how many experienced photographers get this wrong. That’s not going to be a problem for anyone watching this video. Well done!
haha thanks mate!! ill omit that word from any future video!! just for you! haha.. yes i do get frustrated! theres a few others i could do but itd be obvious as to who im referring to haha
Somethings need a proper rant! Well made. Happy that I started with astrophotography first and learned my histogram basics there. Makes it much easier to understand in daylight photography ;)
Thanks Gareth. This is so essential.
Glad it was helpful!
Fantastic driving home the idea of what you see in the frame is what you get. It all makes perfect sense. What would help me understand better is learning how to expose to the right, and how would I know if it is clipping just by looking at the histogram?
thanks john.. i showed in the video mate.. when the graph touches the right its clipping.. go as far to the right (ETTR) as you can without it touching.. unless you want it to clip (the sun)
@@GarethDanks Thank you, Gareth!
Great video! Love the passion in it
Finally!!! Thanks for a righteous video.
I was so sick of all the crap about the histogram. Most All of the well respected UA-camrs many of them are wrong about the histogram.
When if you shoot a photo of a family at night and if you shoot that same family in the same spot in the daytime you going to have a totally different histogram.
I am so happy for your demeanor and saying how wrong almost everybody is about the histogram. Histograms has more to do with the degrees of light and what the camera is seeing. And, in that, the camera only sees light and that’s what the histogram is going to show.
It’s more important to understand exposure and the histogram together and then your histogram is very very vital but if one does not understand exposure, then what the histogram trying to show you And you trying get a hump in the middle-as you well said, it is ludicrous on what to many photographer are saying as to how to understand the histogram.
Thanks!
Excellent interpretation of histograms! Very helpful! Thanks
Glad it was helpful! cheers Randy!
Gareth that was a brilliant video. I am still in the whole scale of things quite new to photography and had never heard of the exposure triangle let alone a histogram and your right many of the UA-cam videos I watched was all about getting a hump on the middle. Thank you for a easy to understand and experienced based tutorial . It’s ok to have a rant now and again. Take care Trev
haha cheers trevor mate!! glad you found us!! gonna do a mini series for beginners soon.. stay tuned!
I found this so useful, I'm a very new photographer and I'm really making an effort to know all the technical aspects of my camera and not just point and shoot at what I think might look nice. So understanding the histogram I feel like is essential to getting what I want out of photography. Thanks for this 👍
hey thanks wayne mate.. hoping to start a new series for beginners.. let me know what topics youd like me to cover :-)
Well done Gareth 👍 you tell’em
Haha. Thanks Joe 😊
I get it.
I do use histogram ....sometimes
But mainly.... using mirrorless xt3 I just dial in my settings to expose correctly as to how I'm seeing my scene through the viewfinder. Basically doing it by eye. My shooting style is too casual to worry about a little bit of highlight clipping. Life's too short. Hope you had a nice hot long bath after this. 😄👍
haha thanks mate.. i feel much better now! :-)
Thank You.......You did not give your camera a slap then! Well done! and well spoken......
Haha. Apparently I find it easy to rant on 😂
Awesome explanation
This actually was SUPER helpful. Thanks for this!
Hey thanks man. 😊
Great video Gareth and good point made 📷👍
cheers for watching mike :-)
Best rant ever. Makes my blood boil when somebody tells me they saw on u tube, the "lump" is correct. Thanks to you i can now refer them to this video. Cheers mate.
haha thanks ian.. few admitting they fall for this
Great video Gareth and Brilliant rant.... :-)
Haha. Cheers mate.
I think (think!) I just about understand the histogram now, well I know I do but usually in post when I can think about it properly!
In an ideal world I’d use it whilst taking shots, but with regards clipping, does anyone think its ok to rely on the highlight clipping warning as next best?
Well said that man!
Histogram , Ok so I won't now get the hump if I don't a hump in the middle , as long as its not creeping up both ends or just one end especially the right I'll be happy. Got it. Thank you for putting me right on it.
Great stuff mate!
I have actually never used the histogram when shooting photos...is that bad?
not at all.. but it's bloody useful
Its good to understand the physics of what a histogram is as it just simply helps you better understand the scene and the difference between human eyes and camera sensors. The human eye seeing many more stops of light than a sensor. In reality we all work differently and enjoy our own unique ways. Its art after all.
Same. 💯
Not at all. But when you need to GUARANTEE accurate exposures and need the most out of your sensor, there’s no better way. Plus you can’t see your screen in bright light. And evfs aren’t accurate 😊
And isn’t it like changing gear by listening to the engine as apposed to lookin at the revs?
Awesome video. I learnt alot
Thanks so much. 😊
Rant accepted. Hahahahaha. Nice mate. I shot some moody portraits yesterday with a black backdrop and a single speed light. I looked at the histogram just to make sure I wasn’t clipping then ignored it and trusted my eyes. Great video.
haha but the point is you checked it first!.. if itd clipped you wouldnt have ignored it would ya hey?? hey?? come on now!! tell!! haha
@@GarethDanks Absolutely true. I would have definitely adjusted the flash if it was clipping. Hahahahahaha
Hi Gareth, this was great. On a few bits I thought I was listening to Ricky Gervais with a welsh accent!!
It was great entertainment for those who already have a reasonable understanding of what a histogram is but how about a super cool, prepared and rehearsed explanation for novices. This could be the start of a whole new series of tutorials.
hahaha funny you should say that! one of my customers says im like him haha.. also another weird thing.. im actually in the process of starting a beginners section.. seems lots will be interested.. any ideas for topics to cover? :-)
@@GarethDanks There are all the basics, obviously, but something most novices don't realise is the dramatic effect on mood that using very high ISO can achieve
And breath, you are absolutely right Gareth. It annoys me that people don't get the relationship. You have to use the histogram to know what will clip and what will be. white or black. good rant and well delivered.
haha thanks harry mate.. i feel better now lol
Thanks Gareth. VERY clear! Good rant ;-)
Well said, mate. I agree 200%.
cheers martin.. just been looking at your image for the mag
@@GarethDanks Great. Many Thanks for the opportunity once again.
Good rant mate haha hope your coming this weekend can have a laugh 😅
thanks paul!! sorry i missed out!! AGAIN!!
Great video 👍🏻
Thanks buddy
Great rant. I use a nikon D600 ff and a nikon D7200 dx both these cameras dont have a on screen histogram. so a bit more alkward but take a shot and you can see a histogram on play back.
Ah yes I’d forgotten that. Still has a flat profile too tho right?
@@GarethDanks Yes still has but what I do is a test shot so not a problem really.
I have the same problem, shame they can’t do a firmware update for this issue ☹️
@@quarkyman1 Totaly agree
Super Rant Gareth, just disappointed you didn’t finish with getting the black cat out of the white box in your magical presentation
You are definitely ranting more in your recent video's!! But.... you are so correct and therefore helpful in your approach!!!... keep them coming mate just don't become a JL whom I love to follow!! which i know as a Englishman you won't!!
Haha. Who’s jl?? 🤪
lol.... Another great video Gareth!!... Love it!! Take care!!
Ah right. Lol. Does he rant then? Not seen anything from him in a long time
Best rant ever !
This is why I just show images in my videos with no technical advice, because I’m rather shit at it 😂 but this was super helpful, cheers Gareth! Also I’m glad you had a rant because somebody needs to, UA-cam is becoming (has been for a while but getting worse) saturated with a lot of shit information.
thanks robbie! dont encourage me tho haha.. lots of togs doing my head in with clicky titles on subjects they dont understand
Bravo 👏
😂
WELL SAID GARETH ! :-)
Haha. Thanks mate 🤪
@@GarethDanks No problem at all.
Great rant Gareth, when applicable, the
best place to have that lump is behind the camera, LOL.
hahaha theres always a lump behind my camera! in this case tho in front as i couldn't see the damn screen lol
A good demonstration you make is given in Chris Sale's video "How NOT to Process a Landscape Photograph with Adobe Lightroom"
ua-cam.com/video/ga4muQmKsVU/v-deo.html
At 4.48 Chris states that his editing process is aimed at moving the histogram peaks for both highlights and shadows towards the centre (a statement I noticed you questioned in the comments). The result of this was an edit that on reflection Chris was clearly not happy with.
That's quite the rant mate, good for you! There's a lot of shit information out there, thanks for sharing.
Haha. Thanks mate. Surprises me also how many don’t use it
Oh I like it when you get mad.............Which video's are they then. I must have missed those channels. Perhaps not, sounds like I haven't missed anything except crap. Well done that Gareth, well said.
Haha. A few big channels have said it too. Lots apply the same principle in editing too. Trying to get that “hill”.
haha.. that was really funny. AND i'd only just heard about the this crazy theory of the 'histogram hill'.. what the hell are they talking about i thought. congratulations you've just taken a photo of BLAND. more of this!
haha thanks mate.. nuts how many do! more so in post! try and drop everything until they get a hump! madness!
Never seen you frown so much,chillout,we get it
haha.. you might get it.. lots dont! :-)
Do you ever use the Colour Histogram as well?
Wow you were genuinely angry. ETTR, 🙏🍻
haha i wasnt angry..
Gareth I was going to be cheeky. Would you like to be my mentor? I’m trying to build my photography business in Cardiff. I was homeless for 3 years till 2years ago and I want to support myself with the business and then help the homeless with it. I do street photography and have a Canon Dslr and lenses plus tripod. I also have a Go Daddy website. If you haven’t got time I will understand but I haven’t got anybody I admire like you for being excellent at photography who could and would challenge me to get better as they would be honest about my work. No pressure but if you don’t ask you don’t get. Please let me know.
A bit less Danksy than your How To from last year. Unless, to take a Freudian tack, there's a Danksy ID lurking beneath your presentational Ego, repressed by a jealous Superego whose grip on the lid has been slackened by UA-camrs fixated on mid-grey. Perhaps that's mellodramatic?!
Last year's video was lean and structured and makes me wonder if you've thought of showing how you adjust for different pictures in Lightroom? I find myself going for a silvery, slightly contrasty tone, and treat the whole graph as an elastic indicator of a how to get a desired tonal shape within the outer limits. For e.g. raising the exposure lifts and stretches shadow details towards the right, and raising contrast pulls middle tones outwards to the ends. Whatever I do with the shape seems to need to fit what I want to do with different areas of the picture. Should it be that dependent on the available picture information and (versus?) an imagined result? Or is there meant to be a 'textbook' approach? I wonder what your thoughts might be?
I never use the histogram. I always have it turned off and rely solely on my eyes. Never failed me yet. Don’t understand the fascination with the histogram. You don’t walk down the street and rely on one. You use your eyes and they adjust accordingly. You know when it’s too bright and you put on sunglasses. Too much made of it. People rely on it and then end up with a crap picture because they were trying to balance the histogram rather than looking at the scene and using their judgement.
each to their own mate.. glad your doing good without it.. id never be without it but that suits me.. interestingly tho, surely your eyes have some kind of metering system to tell the iris to open or close? isnt a burned retina like a clipped image?
LMAO ! How's the blood pressure mate? :)
Don’t ask! 😂 next rant soon
I don’t understand. Could you go over it one more time? 🤣😂🤣😂
haha.. as iffff you could sit through more of that
And breath lol
You're getting old, you can rant like a miserable old so and so, lol. Think it's been said before, learn the basic principles of photography (like before digital), and all of these things become so much easier to understand. PS loved your reverse "lump" with the white box and black binoculars !
Haha. Thanks mate. Kind of you to be so honest 😂
Wow a 16 minute rant ……NOT. All you are doing is giving us is a lesson in exposing the image in a correct way.
haha thanks mark.. appreciate you watching mate
Finally!!! Thanks for a righteous video.
I was so sick of all the crap about the histogram. Most All of the well respected UA-camrs many of them are wrong about the histogram.
When if you shoot a photo of a family at night and if you shoot that same family in the same spot in the daytime you going to have a totally different histogram.
I am so happy for your demeanor and saying how wrong almost everybody is about the histogram. Histograms has more to do with the degrees of light and what the camera is seeing. And, in that, the camera only sees light and that’s what the histogram is going to show.
It’s more important to understand exposure and the histogram together and then your histogram is very very vital but if one does not understand exposure, then what the histogram trying to show you And you trying get a hump in the middle-as you well said, it is ludicrous on what to many photographer are saying as to how to understand the histogram.
Thanks