The conclusion that you came too at the end is exactly the same one I came too while working security. My traditional jiu-jitsu skills became way more useful after I learnt some wrestling.
Learning Multiple Martial Arts was what O Sensei Morihei Ueshiba did and Preached in the Art of Aikido however the CIA and Police Establishment would rather that Nobody discovers this about Aikido and has Fabricated FAKE AIKIDO along with Thousands of Teachers in Every Martial Art not just Aikido
I honestly think it is great that you took moves and broke them down, received counsel from another perspective and see how it could work. It is not throwing the baby without the bath water per say.
Oh I frikin love this video!!! Two educated martial artists not arguing stupidity, but finding where they agree, yet also enlightening each other by their different experiences! Golden!! 😃👍
Aikido is not about wrist locks, several other martial arts have wrist locks.The most important thing in Aikido is to unbalance the opponent before aplying the techinique and this happens mainly through footwork. You may argue wether this is a realistic approach or not and that's fine, but you can't misrepresent aikido as being merely a bunch of joint lock techiniques.
Today's day and age, maybe Before, we have Shoji Nishio. The man knows how to fight, understand Aikido is unuseable in modern day and re design alot of the techniques and approach to make them more useful.
Roy Dean, Dan Theodore, Jason Delucia, even I was doing this stuff before Rokas tried MMA, most of us who do this stuff don't put ourselves on UA-cam It's still probably only like 1-3% of Aikidoka I would guess that cross train with sparring-based arts. Still, I had a cross training buddy for a number of months where we would train at the same Aikido dojo then train at the same BJJ dojo later the same day
Rokas, I’m going to describe these techniques over text. A great wrist lock attack is when the opponent is defending an arm bar, when you have your opponent in the spider web position, hammer lock your hands around the arm you are attacking, then move your hand closer to the opponents hand (your palm on the back of his hand) apply downward pressure to create the wrist lock. Sankyo can be applied when defending a RNC. Give these a try
It definitely is interesting seeing your attempts to use these techniques in a BJJ context. One pattern I noticed is that you were trying to just go for getting a grip and applying a technique, which led to you observing how the other person can easily resist and/or counter. In doing so, it seemed like you were omitting the kuzushi moment, which seems very core to many of these techniques working. I am not sure how you would practically find those kuzushi moments in this context, but I think that the Aikido techniques are much more likely to have value if they are kept around as a tool to take advantage of a moment of imbalance. We got to see how kotegaishi could be utilized if your opponent ended up with their arm extended and you having your arms in close to yourself. I could also see nikkyo being achievable if they ever were grabbing you close to your shoulder with an outstretched arm. Ultimately, a lot of this seems like these Aikido techniques can be useful for exploiting mistakes on the part of your opponent, but not so much for fighting against a similarly skilled opponent. Based on the origin of Aikido, this makes a lot of sense.
@@albertoandrade9807 aikido is an old style that has had little to no modernization from what I've seen (I've never taken it) alot of the movements are set up to defend against a swordsman or someone attacking like they are samurai. (From what I've seen) so without modernization you have good techniques with out dated training methods. All aikido APPEARS to be Is joint manipulation which you have in many other martial arts but it's hard to use in a modern setting because people dont fight the same as they did when it was created. I think many of not all the techniques would work if they were trained a different way.
@@albertoandrade9807 maybe like I said I've never actually practiced aikido I'm going off what I've seen from it and comparing it to what I have taken.
@@mattjudo1095 Don't worry mate, I signed up with them to learn Jui Jitsu, not to run sneaky experiments with Aikido techniques. I just find the parallels between the 2 arts interesting to contemplate. That's all I was getting at.
They way you guys improved the wrist lock by holding it closer to your body and finishing it with a knee on the chest is actually one of the ways I learned that wrist lock in bujinkan budo taijitsu
It looks like the Aikido he learned in the first part of his career had little to no Kuzishi or Irimi training as attribute development. So he had to get it in BJJ, MMA and Judo.
Dude, it's always nice to see you do something constructive with your Aikido. Even when the odds are against Aikido in general, I think it's really important to take what we can get out of it and make it our own. You are an Aiki-bro, for realz!
What you say in the end is what I always thought, since the first thing I actually practiced was Aikido, I always thought the techniques have value, but it works as a complimentary/supplementary set of tools when you already have a base in something else. all the things in Aikido do exist in other styles after all, but are used or approached from a different angle.
Exactly my view too. I understand it developed from Daito Ryu, which I understand was always meant to be supplementary to kenjutsu and other weapons. From my knowledge of Hema and western weapons/armour use, and the viewpoint of armoured combat, avoiding going to ground and multiple opponents, it makes a lot of sense, especially when used opportunistically, rather than trying to force a particular technique. I know how armour slows you and messes with your centre of gravity, and how much easier it is to catch a hand/wrist when swinging a weapon than rather than throwing a punch. Just bugs me when people take traditional arts out of their context and then say they are useless.. square pegs, round holes.
I've watched a lot of your videos, and I'm seriously impressed you earned a nidan, and yet, you're "aiming" for a technique. Not every technique is for every situation. Techniques are emergent. You perform the technique for the situation as it presents itself, this is true of every art, including BJJ. Unfortunately so many Aikido schools have gotten so far away from the fundamentals, and they focus so much on their religious ideology, that people can manage to join the mudansha and still have absolutely no clue how Aikido actually works or is applied. Then they go off creating entire UA-cam channels talking about how Aikido doesn't work. Aikido is an art, it has a tool chest, each tool exists for specific things, it's up to the artist to know what they are doing with it (not that I really blame most of the artists, since they were never taught). It's like bringing a finishing hammer to a demolition job, and then saying "it doesn't work, it's no good" when the required tool was a sludge hammer. Unfortunately most "Aikidoka" don't talk about sludge hammers, they like to pretend every job is a finishing job, and then their students (who never even knew there are different hammers for different jobs) go around trying to use a finishing hammer like it's a sludge hammer. It's so painful watching this insanity. Despite the fact O'Sensei said that atemi (striking) is 90% of battle ready Aikido (that would be how to actually use the art in combat for those following along at home), most Aikidoka have no idea how to throw a proper strike. They falsely believe striking isn't part of Aikido (despite the fact uke, who is still studying Aikido, is in fact striking, be it poorly because his sensei didn't teach him), and that Aikido is purely reactionary, which is also false (clearly, since striking is proactive). It's like they completely ignore O'Sensei's martial commentary about the art, they are 100% dialed into the hippy elements of the Otomoto-kyō religion. Of course, most of this is coming from O'Sensei's latter students (when O"Sensei was REALLY focused on his religious development, and had back burnered the martial side of things), and of course, since this was post War Japan (where martial arts were basically outlawed), Aikido's peaceful nature was really played up. Unfortunately, people are so punch drunk on the rhetoric at this point, they don't even know it's all rhetoric. Because of this, martial applicable Aikido is seriously rear, and what is being passed off as Aikido is a malformed mess only comprising 5% of what Aikido is capable of. Also, regarding pressure testing Aikido. There are various ways to do that, they all develop different sorts of skills and outcomes, but it does seem people are pretty much oblivious of Tomiki Aikido, which emphasizes competition based sparing. Much more like the sort of pressure testing that BJJ and MMA sorts are looking for.
Firstly this is great work! All three techniques work well on an opponent with an extended arm which any trained grappler will not give up easily. The last two techniques work with a wrist and elbow control since the elbow can be used as a better control fulcrum than the wrist alone.
I think you nailed it. These techniques are great at taking advantage of a mistake (giving an extended arm) on the part of your opponent, but are not particularly useful if you have to force them. Given the context, it should be uncommon or rare that one would get an opportunity where they are useful.
I have never practiced Aikido but i learn Daito Ryu from my teens through my twenties, now i practice BJJ and in my experience Shihonage and Makikomi Kotegaeshi the version you grab with both hands works, also you can make version of Ikkajo, Nikajo, Sankajo and Gokajo for submissions not for breaking locks.
Thank you so much for doing this Rokas. I've been saying this for years. The problem with Traditional Martial arts is that with the lack of sparring, the basics get bypassed almost immediately when the basics themselves take up to 10 years to get good at (ingrained in muscle memory against a resisting opponent). Basics aren't sexy and don't sell well because they fundamentally point out how unfair talent distribution is (some people just aren't fast and some people just can't get distance and timing down as well as others). Most of the stuff taught in Traditional Martial arts nowadays are advanced techniques that add that extra bit of unpredictability on top of a strong base. If you can't even get your basics right against resisting opponents you will never get to apply the trickery and "one-up" type moves that McDojo's now sell as "secret techniques". These aren't secret techniques, they are nuances that confuse and surprise opponents when both opponents are of the same skill level. I could never demonstrate it properly but you've done this beautifully here. Absolutely brilliant demonstration and explanation for why Traditional Martial Artists with incredibly crisp basics like Wonderboy give everyone serious problems. Sadly, I feel as you've demonstrated here, Aikido is one of the arts that may have chose to focus on the advanced techniques and has turned itself into a system divorced from fundamental application (possibly assuming everyone was already a Judoka or Grappler of another ilk). It's not just Aikido via grappling arts either, in the striking worldjust look at how many fancy kicks there are in Tae Kwon Do. A lot of TKD kicks are probably only useful when you lull your opponent into a false sense of security when they detect something from a particular direction over and over again (you'd have to have enough mustard and speed in a kick to make the opponent even care about defending the easy to read set-up kicks to begin with). If I had to give it a metaphor, I'd almost explain it as a spear without the shaft, 9/10 times it won't beat the staff simply due to range as you'd essentially be left with a knife (the lethality of the sharp implement doesn't even matter at that point considering equally skilled combatants). When you ask a regular person what makes a spear dangerous, they aren't wrong to point to the tip, but what makes it useful is in fact the long shaft behind it.
I have trained classic jui jitsu and that was exacly the way we have practiced similar techiques. Also we have to always make some distraction with punch or knee or anything else.
Absolutely. The "Techniques" (not a great phrase) in their original Ju Jitsu form, were intended to be used with an Atemi. One's attacker is far more pliable, if he or she at least partially disabled with a strike or two first. Much easier to apply "Techniques", if you've just punched your attacker hard in the face, or collapsed his or her windpipe for instance.
I think you made a great point about how Aikido seems like more a system that works as a supplement to what you already know. I remember you discussing how many of the original Aikidoka were black belts in Judo. To me, it seems that folks got confused somewhere along the way by assuming that Aikido techniques are only taught to high ranks in other disciplines because they are the most effective techniques. Instead, it seems that you have to have a great foundation in regular fighting to even make the techniques viable because they are very specific and difficult to pull off. That said, they look like they may provide an interesting tool to have in you toolbox for fighting! Great video as always Rokas! Thank you for continuing to share (and own!) your journey!
Honestly, the best video I've seen you do. You hit the nail on the head for kote gaeshi. For the second technique I think you're still missing the twisting of the wrist (it's like the opposite of what kote gaeshi does). That should give more control, but that technique is admittedly risky. I hope you keep trying these out! One other note: my master always talked about the wrist locks as an attack for leading into something bigger, almost like the "jab of grappling". I'd love to see you attempt a kote gaeshi to lead into a better grip or throw.
A point you might enjoy: These techniques came from dealing with swords. If someone's grabbing your wrist to keep you from drawing your sword, nikyo makes a ton of sense: use the sword handle on their wrist. Kotegaeshi is about pressing someone's sword against their throat and either killing them or disarming them. Sankyo goes the other way to impale the swordsman with his own sword. Without that context, and with generations of teaching without pressure-testing, these techniques end up as pointless ineffective relics, as you're so beautifully demonstrating throughout your channel.
I think you were on to something at the end when you mentioned that Aikido maybe could be like "the last 10%" of a technique when preceded by good wrestling or BJJ technique. When I was training in Aikido, one of the core ideas that our sensei taught us was that the throw itself is not the most important part of any technique. Taking balance is the most important part. If you don't first take balance somehow, the rest of the technique won't be possible. However, if you do manage to take balance, you may have a small fleeting window to do the technique. Balance is usually taken in Aikido by baiting, leading, or moving in a some way that encourages the opponent to over-commit when they attack. However, in reality, people don't usually give up their balance as readily as they do in an Aikido dojo (except maybe if they're drunk). Therefore, it makes sense to look to wrestling, BJJ, or other martial arts to try to find other ways to take that balance from a opponent who's ready to resist or counter whatever you attempt to do to them. I would be interested to see if you do discover any new ways to take balance in your pressure testing and to what extent that might allow for Aikido techniques to happen.
Fantastic, love seeing you trying to adapt these moves to a real situation. I'd be interested to see it tried against a wall or on the flour so the guy can't back away to escape the hold 🤔.
I was able to get to the kote gaeshi position with an attacker who was choking me. I released his grab on my neck, but then could not finalize the technic. Our sensei used to tell us attacks to the face are used to suprise the attacker in aikido. I thought my failure was probably due to me not using the attack first. However the method demonstrated here is also good in an only-grappling setting.
Very interesting. I'm thinking, what about the aiki part of aikido? Not the techniques, but rather the principle of flow or synchronization or whatnot. I always thought that this was more central to aikido than the techniques. Although I suppose it's much harder to test that, because there's less control?
Awesome are your taking a critical but open approach to your martial art by testing it and also learning other arts to make you a complete martial artist. I hope you can do a similar video concept with a striking art, how can you take what you've learned as a striker and make Aikido work.
You said something important, which summarizes my opinion in aikido very well: Too apply aikido you have to be good at something else. Coming from judo and mma, I always wanted to add aikido to my arsenal when getting older, because lots of stuff I do now, I'm sure I won't do in 30years from now ;) Waited for this a long time. Always keep your roots.
What I noticed in this video was that the basic principles of leverage are not used in those Aikido moves. The BJJ coach quickly improved on those moves by just applying that principle. In all though I consider the whole thing to be too time consuming though. Some other will easily just whack you in the head with an elbow while you're doing such things.
I have found that Sankyo and nikyo can be hit while rolling, but not from standing. The person in my guard often puts their hands on my ribs or belt and I can trap them and do nikyo on them. When someone is on my back reaching for a seatbelt grip, I can often get a sankyo control and use it to get them off my back. But, then again, I usually roll with purple and blue belts. No clue if this would work on a brown or black (probably not). I love your journey!
I've been able to work Aikido into my BJJ training. Simply put, the techniques have to be done without mistakes, and the windows of opportunity close very fast. It's hard to see an opportunity for a random Aikido technique to spring up, and then execute it before my partner moves in way that won't work any more. I've also noticed that the other guys in BJJ have a really hard time taking me to the floor.
from what i see here. you're trying to use the aikido techniques to control him rather than just to break what's in your hand. sankio works well coming out of a front head lock.
That's how jiujitsu is mainly practiced. You get into position of control and try and tap the other person out. It could be used more effectively if instead of trying to tap someone out you just broke their joints quickly but I'm sure that'll end with legal issues.
This how actually how we learned the techniques in aikido. The big movements in aikido were just beginner level. Being able to apply them without much movement was the next level
I like that you are trying to apply Aikido in standup wrestling situations. Ueshiba and Tomiki BOTH created techniques for this EXACT kind of scenario. But, instead of trying to learn/apply them with a BJJ guy, you should bring a wrestler or Judo guy in and see what they say. The Arm Spin from wrestling is a perfect way to lead into Sankyo. BUT, You HAVE to force/lead the opponent into pulling back his right elbow, so you can take a right step and pop your head under his right arm. If you can get that far smoothly, the spin and pull down motion will throw him almost to his hands. Once he is so off balance, there are several Aikido finishing throws that can be applied including Kaiten Nage, and Sankyo. Checkout any wrestling video on the Arm Spin to get the idea.
On kotegaeshi, if you try to apply up high or away from you body it can be reversed on you. Alot of Aikido or Judo techniques can be reversed if not done right, so bring kotegaeshi to your belt buckle or center.
fun fact most of these techniques we have in the certain style of my teacher's hapkido , and tbh they should be done with the speed of the strike not to control the other person. Fun vid!!
That would lead to injury to your training partner. It would lead to injury with opponent in “real fight” too, but then again why don’t strike the head and “ending the opponent rather to “end” your opponents hand?
@@bombastikderteutone6858 its just a brutal way to injure someone. And when practicing you go slow but have resistance enough to challenge you , but in the fight if you re willing to break some ones limbs, and believing that in the court you wont be punished its only bc the attacker has a weapon that is higher level threat than your fists. Thats why we learn escrima sticks and a mix o japanesse staff, in case you find a broom or some sticks from the garbage so you know how to defend yourself. But yea these techniques in general are best used when the practitioner has complete idea of how sparring and andrenaline works .
I was thinking Rokas, you should try and interview rickson Gracie. He's an aikido black belt. I would love to know why he trained it and what he thought it added to his bjj and real life fighting ability.
This is a good start. I have been both Aikido and Jujitsu for around 8 years now. There are more applications and entries from different positions. I am one of Chris's student. If you make it out to Fresno let's roll. I will share with you my finding.
Those 15 years of Aikido practice were definitely not wasted, though rather than depend solely on Aikido, supplement it with another art form/ technique such as conventional Ju Jitsu or BJJ or even a striking form such as Wing Chun Many thanks 🙏🏿
Majority of the time, speed and compactness of the techniques are the most effective as seen in your variations of the techniques. Being relatively explosive with the technique is dangerous, but it definitely becomes more usable from a self-defence stand point
I was thinking about something similar these days too. That some techniques would be more effective with added explosiveness and unexpecting person, but that also makes it dangerous to practice and thus more difficult to perfect
@@MartialArtsJourney That's true, BJJ and other grappling arts have insurance that once a technique such as the armbar have been applied correctly, you can safely apply pressure without breaking the arm. Aikido on the other hand is generally ONLY effective if done in an explosive and compact manner; thus, there is an added risk to the uke if they were to apply explosiveness to the technique. I guess the biggest way to reduce risk of injury is mastery of ukemi and timing, even then it's still a risk
Perhaps you should have tried doing these Aikidõ techniques using a Hapkidõ setup, which is often in Hapkidõ they will distract or make it easier to apply a joint lock or other type of grappling technique, by striking or causing some type of pain reaction in the opponent. If you just go in solely focused on trying to apply a joint lock, then it becomes very easy for the opponent to see and know what you are doing and thus counter it. Also it helps to change up what technique you are trying to do. If the window of opportunity to successfully apply a joint lock or other grappling technique has passed, go on to something else created by the opening presented by the reaction your "failed" attempt created. This strategy is also common in other arts, like Ninjutsu, Silat, FMA, Kenpõ and yes even some good styles of Aikidõ.
It's just grappling, no need to label it at all. TBH every time I hear the words "Aiki-, Ryu-" etc. I immediately think of snake oil. There's a bad record of charlatans using japanese or chinese words to mask their bullshit and peddle it to unsuspecting people, the more we get away from all of these "traditional" things the better. Sport is the best way to gauge effectiveness and we should really be learning all grappling disciplines to be effective.
Maybe, but it's not for everyone. Aikido came from Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu, which is,a much older martial art than Aikido. When it comes to sport or competition, there's only so long that individuals can carry on doing that for. Question is, what happens when you hit 70 or 70? And you can't practice the same as when you were younger?
Thanks for the vid. I practice (German) Ju-Jutsu and we have Tebuki waza incorporated in our greenbelt test. Mainly to hold an opponent after a judo throw in a in self defense scenario. Always wondered if i can use it in sparring or rolling. Your whole journey is very inspiring , great content!
It's always been obvious they can work. They just need to be practised just like anything else. You also need to get the timing right. 5 out of ufc 10 take downs get stopped but it's not because it doesnt work but because timing was off. I'd personally set up with punches. When you see opponant has been rocked or dazed by a punch / kick that's a perfect opportunity to go for an aikido techneque.
It feels like you're trying to apply the Sankyo (is that what it's called?) very gingerly, when you should be rapidly moving jumping under the arm. Like if you tried to apply the Judo Seoi Nage with the same speed of movement you're doing, you'd never be able to pull it off.
I've trained small circle jujutsu which has some of the same basic framework movements that aikido does but taken at "sharper" angles," it's cool to see you pressure testing these techniques in ways that a lot of people normally don't. I suspect that you'll get to the point of being able to pull them off under pressure if that's what you want, and people in the chat complaining about you doing techniques "wrong" can calm down.
Bjj gyms usually suffer from lack of takedowns due to safety concerns and lack of safe training for it. Guys who bring takedown skill from other grappling arts tend to find ways to incorporate it, but gyms don't always allow it.
Em I've never done any aikido. I've only seen it online and spoken to some practioners in person. It looks like a good auxiliary art. Those moves have potential if you think about the gaps where you can hit, throw, submit, or having a weapon in the off hand. It looks like dialog through flow. Which funny enough is impossible without a fair amount of technique reps and sparring/fighting. I like wristlocks and they are just a good mode of control more than a strong finishing technique. So I see it as I have control and look at all the gaps I could have hurt you through. That's all just my speculation though. Aikido looks like drilling flow itself. Imagining the things you or they could do with the tools you have at hand. Thanks for the entertainment 👍
I only took about a year of aikido. They definitely told us to keep the opponent's hand close to our belly during kotegaeshi. While I am not a martial artist and have little faith in aikido, I think it would be interesting for you to reach out to a wide variety of aikido folks to see to what extent any aikido techniques can withstand pressure testing. I think there is a lot of variety in aikido dojos. Maybe some of them do "harder" aikido sparring.
I am amazed how you're growing more and more. Keep exploring and you will be amazed at the results. Moreover, you tried to explore aikido with bjj. If it's ok I will ask these questions: Can Aikido work with Bjj and vice versa? How can you innovate aikido technique in defense againts punches from MMA? Will MMA strikes (such as Boxing, Muai Thai or Taekwondo) be effective with Aikido as a Combative or Atemi? :) God bless 🙏 praying for your sucess
Aikido did came from the same Japanese Jujutsu root just like Judo and BJJ so it's possible. There's no such thing as MMA style or MMA strikes because MMA is mixed martial art, where every fighter have their own foundation from different fighting styles
well, I do know a lot of chin na, like aikido techniques, and saw many situations in this video I would apply them succesfully, the difference is in my training I did a lot of specific power training and my fingers and forearms are very strong, and of course, I did also a lot of training against non cooperative partners, something most aikido schools lack.
You can do the nikyo when they've got a neck tie on you or a bicep tie. Just use the opposite site hand to secure their hand in place and then bring the elbow of the side they have the tie on over their arm and press down. I've seen this used in Shaolin Chin Na but works well in BJJ..
That’s how I’ve been taught to kotegashi. One of the black belts in our dojo has a similar curiosity to Rokas and teaches some of our classes. I think I’ve found a good dojo.
If there is moment when aikido should shine (I have idea I dont know aikido) it should be to open windows while fighting on the ground trying get opponents hands away from its head to punch its face
This is the way I trained back in the 90’s. I’ve bee trying to find the right words to put together to describe how I feel about the bashing of Aikido and hope I get my meaning across. I am by no means a martial artist but studied Aikido throughout high school while my friends where each in different martial arts. We would get together and try to put our techniques in real world scenarios and adapt. Over the past few years people have been tearing Aikido to shreds. Honestly I never understood why and actually find it disrespectful. I feel like you could say the same thing about all traditional martial arts and they way they train. Also in Aikido the Uke is learning how to fall which is a very useful skill. I assumed it was understood that your classroom training was not realistic but more about learning the fundamentals. Meanwhile, the person most famous for bringing Aikido to the forefront would kick five guys in balls per movie. So I never really understood why Aikido would get such bashing. Until recently I saw another UA-camr’s video (can’t remember his name) and he explained that it is dangerous and irresponsible to mislead someone to believe that what you see in class/demonstrations is how it will look/work in real life. That stuck with me. Thats being said, it is the responsibility of the teacher. My teachers had traditional workouts and very combative workouts as well. I believe most Martial Arts can be beneficial if taught and used in the right way. I love your channel and your dedication. Keep up the great work!
Kind of brings us back to the main issue, lack of live training with progressive resistance and complexity. I am 100% sure that if BJJ techniques were taught the way aikido is taught that they couldn't pull off anything either.
Maybe those aikido moves will work better if your both wearing gi, like a submission counter against judokas because most likely they will initiate the grabbing.
It’s like karate when the practitioner knows some boxing, once you understand angles & distance then a lot of the traditional stuff becomes waaay more effective
If you are trying to apply a nikyo, kotegaeshi or any technique for that matter as you do here, to someone who completely locks his arm (or whatever area of the body) and sees what you are trying to do and you still put effort into making it work you must be either very stubborn or very patient. Forcing someone into a "technique" is a very weird aikido. I admire these virtues. Next time maybe use a hammer? Looks brutal also
I think think some of these Aikido techniques would be good finishing moves to subdue your attacker after you’ve already stunned him with a barrage of well placed strikes.
You’ve definitely gone through “the hero’s journey” going full circle
Perfect choice of words rock star! And he did it knowing it! He always considers the journey and narrative. We just gotta thank
@@godeater6382 ok god eater 🤣
@@ronaldyang2295 damn, that burn
Joseph Campbell, the Power of Myth ... one of my fave authors. I have 6+ books of his, and his Bill Moyers interview.
And the only thing to do after completing the Hero’s Journey is to do it again. And again. And again, and again. Pretty much your entire life
The conclusion that you came too at the end is exactly the same one I came too while working security. My traditional jiu-jitsu skills became way more useful after I learnt some wrestling.
Learning Multiple Martial Arts was what O Sensei Morihei Ueshiba did and Preached in the Art of Aikido however the CIA and Police Establishment would rather that Nobody discovers this about Aikido and has Fabricated FAKE AIKIDO along with Thousands of Teachers in Every Martial Art not just Aikido
@@keithcove154 That's an interesting theory.
@@jaimebenito620.... conspiracy theory
@@keithcove154 with so many faje Wing Chun, Krav maga, Tai-Chi and Aikido masters... that actually seems like a plausible thing lol
Respect to you for pressure testing aikido like this. You're making content to answer the questions we all have about Aikido. Thank you
I honestly think it is great that you took moves and broke them down, received counsel from another perspective and see how it could work. It is not throwing the baby without the bath water per say.
Which is precisely what was absent until now
So still utilise Aikido but use it as a supplement with another art form/ technique
Exactly!
@@theman2017inc i think this applies to all forms of grappling, or wrestling. Its amazing to see how techniques change due to circumstances
@Wesley Presberry You beat me to it. Excellent comment good sir.
That BJJ coach is a better Aikido practitioner than real Aikido coach 😅😅😅
Oh I frikin love this video!!! Two educated martial artists not arguing stupidity, but finding where they agree, yet also enlightening each other by their different experiences! Golden!! 😃👍
Aikido is not about wrist locks, several other martial arts have wrist locks.The most important thing in Aikido is to unbalance the opponent before aplying the techinique and this happens mainly through footwork. You may argue wether this is a realistic approach or not and that's fine, but you can't misrepresent aikido as being merely a bunch of joint lock techiniques.
It doesn't matter. Aikido by itself is almost useless against a resisting opponent.
@@lionsden4563 what’s your background in Aikido?
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This automatically makes Rokas the best Aikidoka alive today, if not of all time.
Very true
naa there are more people out there. its just selective awareness. but i agree, without a critical mind many or most aikido dojo´s lack experince.
Today's day and age, maybe
Before, we have Shoji Nishio. The man knows how to fight, understand Aikido is unuseable in modern day and re design alot of the techniques and approach to make them more useful.
I think it's Roy Dean. Lol
Roy Dean, Dan Theodore, Jason Delucia, even I was doing this stuff before Rokas tried MMA, most of us who do this stuff don't put ourselves on UA-cam
It's still probably only like 1-3% of Aikidoka I would guess that cross train with sparring-based arts.
Still, I had a cross training buddy for a number of months where we would train at the same Aikido dojo then train at the same BJJ dojo later the same day
I’ve applied sankyo, kotegaeshi and even ikkyo in jiujitsu many time. I wouldnt call it the best options but it definitely works
Rokas, I’m going to describe these techniques over text. A great wrist lock attack is when the opponent is defending an arm bar, when you have your opponent in the spider web position, hammer lock your hands around the arm you are attacking, then move your hand closer to the opponents hand (your palm on the back of his hand) apply downward pressure to create the wrist lock.
Sankyo can be applied when defending a RNC. Give these a try
It definitely is interesting seeing your attempts to use these techniques in a BJJ context. One pattern I noticed is that you were trying to just go for getting a grip and applying a technique, which led to you observing how the other person can easily resist and/or counter. In doing so, it seemed like you were omitting the kuzushi moment, which seems very core to many of these techniques working.
I am not sure how you would practically find those kuzushi moments in this context, but I think that the Aikido techniques are much more likely to have value if they are kept around as a tool to take advantage of a moment of imbalance. We got to see how kotegaishi could be utilized if your opponent ended up with their arm extended and you having your arms in close to yourself. I could also see nikkyo being achievable if they ever were grabbing you close to your shoulder with an outstretched arm.
Ultimately, a lot of this seems like these Aikido techniques can be useful for exploiting mistakes on the part of your opponent, but not so much for fighting against a similarly skilled opponent. Based on the origin of Aikido, this makes a lot of sense.
Your honesty of purpose is truly unique, man. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Thank you Pablo!
''Own your journey!'' I like it!
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Back when I was doing Aikido there was a guy in my club who was also doing mma, he told us that the only thing he found to be useful was kotegaichi
I'd be willing to bet that's due to the way aikido is practiced and not the techniques themselves
@@richardcheese8237 it goes both ways. If they are not testing then we can't know
@@albertoandrade9807 aikido is an old style that has had little to no modernization from what I've seen (I've never taken it) alot of the movements are set up to defend against a swordsman or someone attacking like they are samurai. (From what I've seen) so without modernization you have good techniques with out dated training methods. All aikido APPEARS to be Is joint manipulation which you have in many other martial arts but it's hard to use in a modern setting because people dont fight the same as they did when it was created. I think many of not all the techniques would work if they were trained a different way.
@@richardcheese8237then modern aikido kept the form but forgot the meaning
@@albertoandrade9807 maybe like I said I've never actually practiced aikido I'm going off what I've seen from it and comparing it to what I have taken.
I find this especially interesting since I just started my first week of BJJ after 5 years of Aikido.
Be careful about using the first technique in a roll as lot of people don't like wristlocks and if don't put on slow you can break a arm
@@mattjudo1095 Don't worry mate, I signed up with them to learn Jui Jitsu, not to run sneaky experiments with Aikido techniques.
I just find the parallels between the 2 arts interesting to contemplate. That's all I was getting at.
Aikido: to opponent: hey, let me grab your hand I want to show you something.
😂👍
They way you guys improved the wrist lock by holding it closer to your body and finishing it with a knee on the chest is actually one of the ways I learned that wrist lock in bujinkan budo taijitsu
It looks like the Aikido he learned in the first part of his career had little to no Kuzishi or Irimi training as attribute development. So he had to get it in BJJ, MMA and Judo.
Dude, it's always nice to see you do something constructive with your Aikido. Even when the odds are against Aikido in general, I think it's really important to take what we can get out of it and make it our own. You are an Aiki-bro, for realz!
What you say in the end is what I always thought, since the first thing I actually practiced was Aikido, I always thought the techniques have value, but it works as a complimentary/supplementary set of tools when you already have a base in something else. all the things in Aikido do exist in other styles after all, but are used or approached from a different angle.
Exactly my view too. I understand it developed from Daito Ryu, which I understand was always meant to be supplementary to kenjutsu and other weapons. From my knowledge of Hema and western weapons/armour use, and the viewpoint of armoured combat, avoiding going to ground and multiple opponents, it makes a lot of sense, especially when used opportunistically, rather than trying to force a particular technique. I know how armour slows you and messes with your centre of gravity, and how much easier it is to catch a hand/wrist when swinging a weapon than rather than throwing a punch.
Just bugs me when people take traditional arts out of their context and then say they are useless.. square pegs, round holes.
U will be one of the guys who revolutionize aikido..keep going!!!
I've watched a lot of your videos, and I'm seriously impressed you earned a nidan, and yet, you're "aiming" for a technique. Not every technique is for every situation. Techniques are emergent. You perform the technique for the situation as it presents itself, this is true of every art, including BJJ. Unfortunately so many Aikido schools have gotten so far away from the fundamentals, and they focus so much on their religious ideology, that people can manage to join the mudansha and still have absolutely no clue how Aikido actually works or is applied. Then they go off creating entire UA-cam channels talking about how Aikido doesn't work. Aikido is an art, it has a tool chest, each tool exists for specific things, it's up to the artist to know what they are doing with it (not that I really blame most of the artists, since they were never taught). It's like bringing a finishing hammer to a demolition job, and then saying "it doesn't work, it's no good" when the required tool was a sludge hammer. Unfortunately most "Aikidoka" don't talk about sludge hammers, they like to pretend every job is a finishing job, and then their students (who never even knew there are different hammers for different jobs) go around trying to use a finishing hammer like it's a sludge hammer.
It's so painful watching this insanity. Despite the fact O'Sensei said that atemi (striking) is 90% of battle ready Aikido (that would be how to actually use the art in combat for those following along at home), most Aikidoka have no idea how to throw a proper strike. They falsely believe striking isn't part of Aikido (despite the fact uke, who is still studying Aikido, is in fact striking, be it poorly because his sensei didn't teach him), and that Aikido is purely reactionary, which is also false (clearly, since striking is proactive). It's like they completely ignore O'Sensei's martial commentary about the art, they are 100% dialed into the hippy elements of the Otomoto-kyō religion. Of course, most of this is coming from O'Sensei's latter students (when O"Sensei was REALLY focused on his religious development, and had back burnered the martial side of things), and of course, since this was post War Japan (where martial arts were basically outlawed), Aikido's peaceful nature was really played up. Unfortunately, people are so punch drunk on the rhetoric at this point, they don't even know it's all rhetoric. Because of this, martial applicable Aikido is seriously rear, and what is being passed off as Aikido is a malformed mess only comprising 5% of what Aikido is capable of.
Also, regarding pressure testing Aikido. There are various ways to do that, they all develop different sorts of skills and outcomes, but it does seem people are pretty much oblivious of Tomiki Aikido, which emphasizes competition based sparing. Much more like the sort of pressure testing that BJJ and MMA sorts are looking for.
Firstly this is great work! All three techniques work well on an opponent with an extended arm which any trained grappler will not give up easily. The last two techniques work with a wrist and elbow control since the elbow can be used as a better control fulcrum than the wrist alone.
I think you nailed it. These techniques are great at taking advantage of a mistake (giving an extended arm) on the part of your opponent, but are not particularly useful if you have to force them. Given the context, it should be uncommon or rare that one would get an opportunity where they are useful.
Good information! Excellent video! Thanks
I've been seeing a lot more sparring of with traditional martial arts online
Just came here from a video on Bajiquan sparring
I have never practiced Aikido but i learn Daito Ryu from my teens through my twenties, now i practice BJJ and in my experience Shihonage and Makikomi Kotegaeshi the version you grab with both hands works, also you can make version of Ikkajo, Nikajo, Sankajo and Gokajo for submissions not for breaking locks.
"human chest with dire consequences" - Joe Rogan. I love it. Way to go you two.
*chess ....
Thank you so much for doing this Rokas. I've been saying this for years. The problem with Traditional Martial arts is that with the lack of sparring, the basics get bypassed almost immediately when the basics themselves take up to 10 years to get good at (ingrained in muscle memory against a resisting opponent). Basics aren't sexy and don't sell well because they fundamentally point out how unfair talent distribution is (some people just aren't fast and some people just can't get distance and timing down as well as others).
Most of the stuff taught in Traditional Martial arts nowadays are advanced techniques that add that extra bit of unpredictability on top of a strong base. If you can't even get your basics right against resisting opponents you will never get to apply the trickery and "one-up" type moves that McDojo's now sell as "secret techniques". These aren't secret techniques, they are nuances that confuse and surprise opponents when both opponents are of the same skill level. I could never demonstrate it properly but you've done this beautifully here. Absolutely brilliant demonstration and explanation for why Traditional Martial Artists with incredibly crisp basics like Wonderboy give everyone serious problems. Sadly, I feel as you've demonstrated here, Aikido is one of the arts that may have chose to focus on the advanced techniques and has turned itself into a system divorced from fundamental application (possibly assuming everyone was already a Judoka or Grappler of another ilk). It's not just Aikido via grappling arts either, in the striking worldjust look at how many fancy kicks there are in Tae Kwon Do. A lot of TKD kicks are probably only useful when you lull your opponent into a false sense of security when they detect something from a particular direction over and over again (you'd have to have enough mustard and speed in a kick to make the opponent even care about defending the easy to read set-up kicks to begin with).
If I had to give it a metaphor, I'd almost explain it as a spear without the shaft, 9/10 times it won't beat the staff simply due to range as you'd essentially be left with a knife (the lethality of the sharp implement doesn't even matter at that point considering equally skilled combatants). When you ask a regular person what makes a spear dangerous, they aren't wrong to point to the tip, but what makes it useful is in fact the long shaft behind it.
I like you went back to videos on the tatami practising. Thumbs up.
Nice video, your teacher is brilliant!
Rokas, if you can develop a style of Aikido that works, then you personally may actually be the worlds true master of combat Aikido, Keep going.
Great conclusion
Dope vid. I practice both BJJ and a form of Japanese ju jutsu and it's refreshing to see the merge.
I have trained classic jui jitsu and that was exacly the way we have practiced similar techiques. Also we have to always make some distraction with punch or knee or anything else.
Absolutely. The "Techniques" (not a great phrase) in their original Ju Jitsu form, were intended to be used with an Atemi. One's attacker is far more pliable, if he or she at least partially disabled with a strike or two first. Much easier to apply "Techniques", if you've just punched your attacker hard in the face, or collapsed his or her windpipe for instance.
This just again stresses the importance of position control :-)
Thx for the video
I think you made a great point about how Aikido seems like more a system that works as a supplement to what you already know. I remember you discussing how many of the original Aikidoka were black belts in Judo. To me, it seems that folks got confused somewhere along the way by assuming that Aikido techniques are only taught to high ranks in other disciplines because they are the most effective techniques. Instead, it seems that you have to have a great foundation in regular fighting to even make the techniques viable because they are very specific and difficult to pull off. That said, they look like they may provide an interesting tool to have in you toolbox for fighting! Great video as always Rokas! Thank you for continuing to share (and own!) your journey!
These "Techniques" (not a great phrase) in their original Ju Jitsu form, were intended to be used with an Atemi. Enjoying your videos very much.
Honestly, the best video I've seen you do. You hit the nail on the head for kote gaeshi. For the second technique I think you're still missing the twisting of the wrist (it's like the opposite of what kote gaeshi does). That should give more control, but that technique is admittedly risky. I hope you keep trying these out! One other note: my master always talked about the wrist locks as an attack for leading into something bigger, almost like the "jab of grappling". I'd love to see you attempt a kote gaeshi to lead into a better grip or throw.
I love what you're doing this how you mix and evolve martial arts please keep up the good work beautiful journey
A point you might enjoy: These techniques came from dealing with swords. If someone's grabbing your wrist to keep you from drawing your sword, nikyo makes a ton of sense: use the sword handle on their wrist. Kotegaeshi is about pressing someone's sword against their throat and either killing them or disarming them. Sankyo goes the other way to impale the swordsman with his own sword. Without that context, and with generations of teaching without pressure-testing, these techniques end up as pointless ineffective relics, as you're so beautifully demonstrating throughout your channel.
I think you were on to something at the end when you mentioned that Aikido maybe could be like "the last 10%" of a technique when preceded by good wrestling or BJJ technique. When I was training in Aikido, one of the core ideas that our sensei taught us was that the throw itself is not the most important part of any technique. Taking balance is the most important part. If you don't first take balance somehow, the rest of the technique won't be possible. However, if you do manage to take balance, you may have a small fleeting window to do the technique. Balance is usually taken in Aikido by baiting, leading, or moving in a some way that encourages the opponent to over-commit when they attack. However, in reality, people don't usually give up their balance as readily as they do in an Aikido dojo (except maybe if they're drunk). Therefore, it makes sense to look to wrestling, BJJ, or other martial arts to try to find other ways to take that balance from a opponent who's ready to resist or counter whatever you attempt to do to them. I would be interested to see if you do discover any new ways to take balance in your pressure testing and to what extent that might allow for Aikido techniques to happen.
Fantastic, love seeing you trying to adapt these moves to a real situation.
I'd be interested to see it tried against a wall or on the flour so the guy can't back away to escape the hold 🤔.
Against the wall sounds like a good idea
That series of videos on aikido in a real combat was very interresting.
I will be with you throughout your Martial Arts Journey Rokas!
I was able to get to the kote gaeshi position with an attacker who was choking me. I released his grab on my neck, but then could not finalize the technic. Our sensei used to tell us attacks to the face are used to suprise the attacker in aikido. I thought my failure was probably due to me not using the attack first. However the method demonstrated here is also good in an only-grappling setting.
Very interesting. I'm thinking, what about the aiki part of aikido? Not the techniques, but rather the principle of flow or synchronization or whatnot. I always thought that this was more central to aikido than the techniques. Although I suppose it's much harder to test that, because there's less control?
Its called experience
Awesome are your taking a critical but open approach to your martial art by testing it and also learning other arts to make you a complete martial artist. I hope you can do a similar video concept with a striking art, how can you take what you've learned as a striker and make Aikido work.
You said something important, which summarizes my opinion in aikido very well:
Too apply aikido you have to be good at something else.
Coming from judo and mma, I always wanted to add aikido to my arsenal when getting older, because lots of stuff I do now, I'm sure I won't do in 30years from now ;)
Waited for this a long time. Always keep your roots.
What I noticed in this video was that the basic principles of leverage are not used in those Aikido moves. The BJJ coach quickly improved on those moves by just applying that principle. In all though I consider the whole thing to be too time consuming though. Some other will easily just whack you in the head with an elbow while you're doing such things.
I have found that Sankyo and nikyo can be hit while rolling, but not from standing. The person in my guard often puts their hands on my ribs or belt and I can trap them and do nikyo on them. When someone is on my back reaching for a seatbelt grip, I can often get a sankyo control and use it to get them off my back. But, then again, I usually roll with purple and blue belts. No clue if this would work on a brown or black (probably not). I love your journey!
first time we will see the evolution of a martial art live, keeo the jurney Rokas
I've been able to work Aikido into my BJJ training. Simply put, the techniques have to be done without mistakes, and the windows of opportunity close very fast. It's hard to see an opportunity for a random Aikido technique to spring up, and then execute it before my partner moves in way that won't work any more. I've also noticed that the other guys in BJJ have a really hard time taking me to the floor.
Yah because BJJ guys suck at this in general
from what i see here. you're trying to use the aikido techniques to control him rather than just to break what's in your hand. sankio works well coming out of a front head lock.
That's how jiujitsu is mainly practiced. You get into position of control and try and tap the other person out. It could be used more effectively if instead of trying to tap someone out you just broke their joints quickly but I'm sure that'll end with legal issues.
This how actually how we learned the techniques in aikido. The big movements in aikido were just beginner level. Being able to apply them without much movement was the next level
Is funny that your jujitsu teacher knows better body mechanics that your 10+ years of Aikido.
Nice exploration!!!
I like that you are trying to apply Aikido in standup wrestling situations. Ueshiba and Tomiki BOTH created techniques for this EXACT kind of scenario. But, instead of trying to learn/apply them with a BJJ guy, you should bring a wrestler or Judo guy in and see what they say. The Arm Spin from wrestling is a perfect way to lead into Sankyo. BUT, You HAVE to force/lead the opponent into pulling back his right elbow, so you can take a right step and pop your head under his right arm. If you can get that far smoothly, the spin and pull down motion will throw him almost to his hands. Once he is so off balance, there are several Aikido finishing throws that can be applied including Kaiten Nage, and Sankyo. Checkout any wrestling video on the Arm Spin to get the idea.
I'll get to Judo and Shodokan over time
On kotegaeshi, if you try to apply up high or away from you body it can be reversed on you. Alot of Aikido or Judo techniques can be reversed if not done right, so bring kotegaeshi to your belt buckle or center.
I want to see you hit this live.
fun fact most of these techniques we have in the certain style of my teacher's hapkido , and tbh they should be done with the speed of the strike not to control the other person. Fun vid!!
That would lead to injury to your training partner.
It would lead to injury with opponent in “real fight” too, but then again why don’t strike the head and “ending the opponent rather to “end” your opponents hand?
@@bombastikderteutone6858 its just a brutal way to injure someone. And when practicing you go slow but have resistance enough to challenge you , but in the fight if you re willing to break some ones limbs, and believing that in the court you wont be punished its only bc the attacker has a weapon that is higher level threat than your fists. Thats why we learn escrima sticks and a mix o japanesse staff, in case you find a broom or some sticks from the garbage so you know how to defend yourself. But yea these techniques in general are best used when the practitioner has complete idea of how sparring and andrenaline works .
I was thinking Rokas, you should try and interview rickson Gracie. He's an aikido black belt. I would love to know why he trained it and what he thought it added to his bjj and real life fighting ability.
This is a good start. I have been both Aikido and Jujitsu for around 8 years now. There are more applications and entries from different positions. I am one of Chris's student. If you make it out to Fresno let's roll. I will share with you my finding.
Thanks for sharing I like how you are developing techniques. I will love to see more like this. I am in same journey as you.
Those 15 years of Aikido practice were definitely not wasted, though rather than depend solely on Aikido, supplement it with another art form/ technique such as conventional Ju Jitsu or BJJ or even a striking form such as Wing Chun
Many thanks 🙏🏿
Majority of the time, speed and compactness of the techniques are the most effective as seen in your variations of the techniques. Being relatively explosive with the technique is dangerous, but it definitely becomes more usable from a self-defence stand point
I was thinking about something similar these days too. That some techniques would be more effective with added explosiveness and unexpecting person, but that also makes it dangerous to practice and thus more difficult to perfect
@@MartialArtsJourney That's true, BJJ and other grappling arts have insurance that once a technique such as the armbar have been applied correctly, you can safely apply pressure without breaking the arm. Aikido on the other hand is generally ONLY effective if done in an explosive and compact manner; thus, there is an added risk to the uke if they were to apply explosiveness to the technique. I guess the biggest way to reduce risk of injury is mastery of ukemi and timing, even then it's still a risk
Perhaps you should have tried doing these Aikidõ techniques using a Hapkidõ setup, which is often in Hapkidõ they will distract or make it easier to apply a joint lock or other type of grappling technique, by striking or causing some type of pain reaction in the opponent. If you just go in solely focused on trying to apply a joint lock, then it becomes very easy for the opponent to see and know what you are doing and thus counter it.
Also it helps to change up what technique you are trying to do. If the window of opportunity to successfully apply a joint lock or other grappling technique has passed, go on to something else created by the opening presented by the reaction your "failed" attempt created. This strategy is also common in other arts, like Ninjutsu, Silat, FMA, Kenpõ and yes even some good styles of Aikidõ.
We learned so very different Aikido.
Maybe you can call this Aiki-jujutsu that's more distinct from the Daito-Ryu variant.
Or... just call it MMA
It's just grappling, no need to label it at all. TBH every time I hear the words "Aiki-, Ryu-" etc. I immediately think of snake oil. There's a bad record of charlatans using japanese or chinese words to mask their bullshit and peddle it to unsuspecting people, the more we get away from all of these "traditional" things the better. Sport is the best way to gauge effectiveness and we should really be learning all grappling disciplines to be effective.
Maybe, but it's not for everyone. Aikido came from Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu, which is,a much older martial art than Aikido. When it comes to sport or competition, there's only so long that individuals can carry on doing that for. Question is, what happens when you hit 70 or 70? And you can't practice the same as when you were younger?
@@Samurai-sv2wz Simply put, you lose some effectiveness.
Thanks for the vid. I practice (German) Ju-Jutsu and we have Tebuki waza incorporated in our greenbelt test. Mainly to hold an opponent after a judo throw in a in self defense scenario. Always wondered if i can use it in sparring or rolling. Your whole journey is very inspiring , great content!
Great content! Love it..
Keep it up Rokas!
also you need to move 45 degrees for forward or backward before you try the wrist lock
Oh man your becoming the next Bruce Lee. You’re gonna invent the next martial arts. This is awesome. I love watching your progress
That's amazing ! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
It's always been obvious they can work. They just need to be practised just like anything else. You also need to get the timing right. 5 out of ufc 10 take downs get stopped but it's not because it doesnt work but because timing was off. I'd personally set up with punches. When you see opponant has been rocked or dazed by a punch / kick that's a perfect opportunity to go for an aikido techneque.
That's the way !
It feels like you're trying to apply the Sankyo (is that what it's called?) very gingerly, when you should be rapidly moving jumping under the arm. Like if you tried to apply the Judo Seoi Nage with the same speed of movement you're doing, you'd never be able to pull it off.
I've trained small circle jujutsu which has some of the same basic framework movements that aikido does but taken at "sharper" angles," it's cool to see you pressure testing these techniques in ways that a lot of people normally don't. I suspect that you'll get to the point of being able to pull them off under pressure if that's what you want, and people in the chat complaining about you doing techniques "wrong" can calm down.
Bjj gyms usually suffer from lack of takedowns due to safety concerns and lack of safe training for it. Guys who bring takedown skill from other grappling arts tend to find ways to incorporate it, but gyms don't always allow it.
Wow Rokas that really looks promising! Would be cool to see it as part of some legitimate sparring someday.
Em I've never done any aikido. I've only seen it online and spoken to some practioners in person. It looks like a good auxiliary art. Those moves have potential if you think about the gaps where you can hit, throw, submit, or having a weapon in the off hand. It looks like dialog through flow. Which funny enough is impossible without a fair amount of technique reps and sparring/fighting.
I like wristlocks and they are just a good mode of control more than a strong finishing technique.
So I see it as I have control and look at all the gaps I could have hurt you through. That's all just my speculation though. Aikido looks like drilling flow itself. Imagining the things you or they could do with the tools you have at hand.
Thanks for the entertainment 👍
I only took about a year of aikido. They definitely told us to keep the opponent's hand close to our belly during kotegaeshi. While I am not a martial artist and have little faith in aikido, I think it would be interesting for you to reach out to a wide variety of aikido folks to see to what extent any aikido techniques can withstand pressure testing. I think there is a lot of variety in aikido dojos. Maybe some of them do "harder" aikido sparring.
I am amazed how you're growing more and more. Keep exploring and you will be amazed at the results.
Moreover, you tried to explore aikido with bjj. If it's ok I will ask these questions:
Can Aikido work with Bjj and vice versa?
How can you innovate aikido technique in defense againts punches from MMA?
Will MMA strikes (such as Boxing, Muai Thai or Taekwondo) be effective with Aikido as a Combative or Atemi?
:) God bless 🙏 praying for your sucess
Aikido did came from the same Japanese Jujutsu root just like Judo and BJJ so it's possible. There's no such thing as MMA style or MMA strikes because MMA is mixed martial art, where every fighter have their own foundation from different fighting styles
Good job doing this
Still, Kotegaeshi is badass!!,
also in judo we have seoi otoshi, would be cool to see your take on adapting it on sparring
I like that you're trying to fix some of it :)
well, I do know a lot of chin na, like aikido techniques, and saw many situations in this video I would apply them succesfully, the difference is in my training I did a lot of specific power training and my fingers and forearms are very strong, and of course, I did also a lot of training against non cooperative partners, something most aikido schools lack.
Interesting, my instructor used to remind me never to get caught in grappling, and always tenkan.
You can do the nikyo when they've got a neck tie on you or a bicep tie. Just use the opposite site hand to secure their hand in place and then bring the elbow of the side they have the tie on over their arm and press down. I've seen this used in Shaolin Chin Na but works well in BJJ..
That’s how I’ve been taught to kotegashi. One of the black belts in our dojo has a similar curiosity to Rokas and teaches some of our classes. I think I’ve found a good dojo.
I thought this was going to be an April fools joke when I saw it haha.
If there is moment when aikido should shine (I have idea I dont know aikido) it should be to open windows while fighting on the ground trying get opponents hands away from its head to punch its face
This is the way I trained back in the 90’s.
I’ve bee trying to find the right words to put together to describe how I feel about the bashing of Aikido and hope I get my meaning across.
I am by no means a martial artist but studied Aikido throughout high school while my friends where each in different martial arts. We would get together and try to put our techniques in real world scenarios and adapt.
Over the past few years people have been tearing Aikido to shreds. Honestly I never understood why and actually find it disrespectful. I feel like you could say the same thing about all traditional martial arts and they way they train. Also in Aikido the Uke is learning how to fall which is a very useful skill.
I assumed it was understood that your classroom training was not realistic but more about learning the fundamentals. Meanwhile, the person most famous for bringing Aikido to the forefront would kick five guys in balls per movie. So I never really understood why Aikido would get such bashing. Until recently I saw another UA-camr’s video (can’t remember his name) and he explained that it is dangerous and irresponsible to mislead someone to believe that what you see in class/demonstrations is how it will look/work in real life. That stuck with me. Thats being said, it is the responsibility of the teacher. My teachers had traditional workouts and very combative workouts as well. I believe most Martial Arts can be beneficial if taught and used in the right way.
I love your channel and your dedication. Keep up the great work!
Kind of brings us back to the main issue, lack of live training with progressive resistance and complexity.
I am 100% sure that if BJJ techniques were taught the way aikido is taught that they couldn't pull off anything either.
Maybe those aikido moves will work better if your both wearing gi, like a submission counter against judokas because most likely they will initiate the grabbing.
It’s like karate when the practitioner knows some boxing, once you understand angles & distance then a lot of the traditional stuff becomes waaay more effective
Traditional karate was actually very different. It was more of a dirty boxing style. Very close combat with punches and kicks while grappling.
If you are trying to apply a nikyo, kotegaeshi or any technique for that matter as you do here,
to someone who completely locks his arm (or whatever area of the body) and sees what you are trying to do and you
still put effort into making it work you must be either very stubborn or very patient.
Forcing someone into a "technique" is a very weird aikido.
I admire these virtues.
Next time maybe use a hammer? Looks brutal also
In nature, hybrids are often the strongest. Pressure testing and sparring is the "natural selection" of evolutionary martial arts.
Bjj uses wrists locks and ankle locks effectively...unlike aikido...Nice job Rokas!
By the way...from twig to stud bro!😎👍
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Good video bud
I think think some of these Aikido techniques would be good finishing moves to subdue your attacker after you’ve already stunned him with a barrage of well placed strikes.