Skip gives MJ too much credit like everyone else in the media. Hes an all time great and dominated in his prime. You cant leave 1-9 in first round off of his resume before pippen and phil. You guys cant forget that he retired for 2 years. That helped him rejuvenate and win 3 more. I dont give a pass to lebron for losing to the Mavs in 2011. Then seeming to take a break on defense in the 2018 finals and he had the cramp game in 2014 finals. Skip is over his head on this one. I love MJ and he is a top 3 great but everyone gives him too much credit. Hes a very talented legend, who never backed down from a challenge and was the ultimate competitor. Great 1 on 1 bball player but this is a team game.
How is Dennis scared of anyone when he put a gun in his own mouth? Dennis respected Jordan. He didn't fear him! Rodman feared no man! Get that straight.
@Coatesville Red Raiders I'm 41 from Chicago. I remember that & he sued Rodman too but go look at Zeke, Mahorn, Laimbeer, Bird, Chief, Zo, Dr. J & etc just to name a few from the 80'-90's. Those were fights. Rudy T almost died because of a fight on the court
Lol true. And Shannon always boasts on Lebron having more assists then MJ, but here he basically criticized Jordan for having 10 assists in a clinching finals game. lmao their disputes make no more sense!
And Rodman said Madonna was boring... compared to Carmen Electra, who allegedly broke/sprained his D (not sure if this is possible, but that’s what he claimed)
@Dats a paddlin but did he win the title? Was he as great as Mike? Did he win after he left the bulls and joined a tram with hakeem and barkley? Who was carrying the scoring load? Who was making the last shots? Who was defensive player of the, year and part of multiple first team Nba defensive teams? Who has the higher ppg average in the Nba? Stop doing that Mike elevated the guy and Scottie did his part yoo because he was taught by his mentor, Michael Jordan.
Tom Donahue Yea, he was praising his best teammate. He’s not saying “oh yea Pippen is better than me”. Pippen also said MJ carried him yet none of you fools bring that up lol.
Dats a paddlin No one carried anyone? Except LBJ and his “bums” right? Great team but MJ was the one helping Pippen not the other way around. I’m not saying he did it alone but this notion that Pippen “saved” him or helped him more than MJ did him is absurd. Even Pippen admits he wouldn’t have won without him but again, no one ever seems to bring that up.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx Lol Pippen helped more what you talking about. MJ did the scoring and occasional defense then Pip did the rest. He leads the bulls in other main categories other than scoring because that's MJ's forte in a league of 1 on 1.
Ian Wesley They’re stats that go against that statement, what people are doing are taking one or two moments from the season that occurred whenever a certain team appeared on the schedule and act like that was every team and every night
Skip is something else. Everybody on that team would have given Jordan hands except Kerr and Paxon. From Longley and Kukoc to Armstrong, wasnt nobody scared of no damn Jordan. ESPECIALLY Pippem and Rodman. Skip is out of hand.
ricky spanish I don’t think they were necessarily afraid of him in a fighting sense. They were afraid of him in the way someone is afraid of their parents repercussions.
ricky spanish Skip and Shannon are both entertainers, they troll each other all day long. I wouldn’t put too much stock into what either of them say lol
Thank you. Dennis was scared of no man. he respected MJ, but was'nt scared of him. You see he told Air i need a vacation. A scared man would'nt ask for a vaca mid-season.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx any athlete knows that you need a team to win. Not everyone is the alpha but as long as everyone knows their roll the rings will come. Ask Horry or Rodman
@@rayglover595 I'm a Bulls fan including a Jordan fan, but I agree with you 👍🏽 I 😏 ain't calling no man God or talking about God mode pertaining to him ❌
@Apex Anomalies I'm a Bulls fan including a Jordan fan, but I agree with you 👍🏽 I 😏 ain't calling no man God or talking about God mode pertaining to him ❌
Shannon Sharpe, Michael Jordan averaged 31.2 points on 56% shooting, 11.4 assists, 6.6 rebounds, 2.8 steals and 1.4 blocks . Pretty sure he didn't wait until game 5 before he started passing the ball if he averaged 11 assists for the entire series! 😂😂
cyber6sapien his comparison was also incorrect. He is comparing lebron making the “right play” in crunch time vs Jordan making the “right play” throughout the game. Not the same thing.
That’s a great stat line for a series. Please remind me again who is the only player in NBA history to lead ALL PLAYERS in all five categories points, rebounds, assist, blocks and steals in any series- especially the finals. I’ll wait...... LBJ
Shannon always emphasize how Lebron averages more assists then Jordan, so Lebron = goat. Now he is criticizing Jordan for having 10 assists in that game and average 11.4 for the series! He always contradict himself
@@mbaldwin2222 My point in mentioning Jordan's statline in the series is that Shannon made it seem like Jordan still wasn't trusting his teammates until that particular game. BTW, Jordan's performance in the 1991 series is still ESPN's #1 ranked finals performance of all time. While it is impressive that Lebron was able to do that in 2016, that is not a recipe for sustained success. In fact, it is indicative of why Lebron has lost so many Finals. Lebron plays in his own system, and he is the center of everything regardless of which team he plays on. When you play in an effective offensive system, your teammates' talents also get a chance to shine. That's why a player like Tim Duncan would never end up leading the Spurs in every category in the Finals. But that's also why Duncan has 5 ch'ips in 6 attempts. The Spurs never traded for a superstar during Duncan's tenure and never got a high draft pick while he was there. (Nobody knew Kawhi would be as good as he eventually became.)Yet Lebron has played with numerous stars and all stars throughout his career, but "never has enough help" in the Finals. The question is why?
cyber6sapien very true. That is also why lebron teams always tank after he leaves. When someone is the”be all end all center of the universe” type player, the team will crumble once he leaves. When Jordan left the bulls the first time, one of the reasons they could still do well is because they had a good system in place.
Double-standard on MJ. Bash him for losing in the 80s when his teams weren't good. Then in the 90s, bash MJ for being on great teams. He can't win either way from his haters.
Thats not point at all. When MJ does it its ok? but when other greats like lebron do it, he is spat on and ridiculed. Skip putting lebron at 8th is actually disgusting.
Justin Spear Phil Jackson taught Mj to trust his teammates and Phil made Pippen the point forward.. that’s what’s Doug Collins don’t trust to Mj and that’s to trust your teammates..
Or another way you could look at it is... Phil meant so much that he was asking for the approval of MJ to give a player some off time 🤔 when supposedly the coach is the maximum Authority & shot caller... 🤔 by the way MJ 🐐 23 did play for another coach after Phil. Ps:thanks MJ for giving permission to Rodman to have a mini vacation 😎
What I like about these guys is no matter how much they disagree with each other,they allow each other to complete their points of view without interrupting each other
The 1988 Celtics were beaten down and worn out and had no depth. People always say the Bulls beat the Pistons after they got old. The Pistons beat the Celtics because they got debilitated with injuries.
LogicKeyz not insulting their legacies and what they did for the game, but bringing up those 2 isn’t really relevant anymore. They were honestly gods among boys and it wasn’t even close.
Shannon failed to realize that those episodes showed how COACHABLE Jordan was how despite him not liking the triangle offense Jordan still bought into it to better the TEAM.... The respect Jordan showed Doug Collins in his very first game shows how he was willing to give a guy a chance..... When has Lebron ever came off as COACHABLE with any of his coaches the disrespect he showed David Blatt from day one showed how Lebron not willing to change his game ESPECIALLY if its gonna hurt his stats
I hated when Shannon brought up LBJ cause that's just an excuse for Skip to start comparing them and stuff and that's not what I wanted to hear now when it's about MJ's doc
@@bcharlz2513 How is that possible? How can people be so interested in this? I legitimately would rather hear about other players, even role players, than have to listen to another boring Michael Jordan topic. The guy has been done as a player for ages, enough is enough.
Two of the most meaningful stats is PER (player efficiency rating), and Win Shares per 48min. MJ leads both #1 All-Time, also leads #1 All-time in PPG while shooting 50%. The advanced numbers suggest Jordan is better, you take these impressive numbers and add 6 finals MVPs, it's a no brainer. Jordan is the GOAT.
al farouq aminu for 3 Defensive player of the year as well. 9 all team defense team I think. By far the superior defender than anyone people try to compare him with and say is better than him. Also never relied on anyone else to always make the clutch shots
You don’t think teammates affect your PER, Scottie was better than dwade 6 years removed from a title in 2012-2013, Dennis rodman is way better all time than Chris bosh. Every other team Lebron has been on up until now would barely be a playoff team without him. Even LA now would let make it out the first round in the west with only AD. Also don’t forget the competition, Talent level and players controlling their own destiny has changed the NBA landscape. The warriors when lebron beat them were better than any team Jordan faced and the bulls themselves 😂
If lebron manages to get two more rings mb 3 and leads every meaningful statistic with the most title appearances in NBA history, for multiple teams what are y’all old heads gunna say. Give it 15 years and The thought of Jordan being the goat will be just like kareem now, lebron revolutionized the game
TAQ do you actually think pippen would be the pippen we have some to know without being under MJs wings? Let’s talk about lebron again once he reaches .500. Very unlikely.
Shannon called Paxson a "damn good player" lol. Paxton averaged 8 pts and 3 assist that year they beat the Lakers in the finals. 8 and 3? So, I guess Lebron had a lot of damn good players too then
LBJ fanboys ALWAYS do that. They must exaggerate other players’ teammates while in the same breath diminishing LeBron’s teammates. They must make excuses for his failures.
ChiRilla You do get that running the triangle doesn’t diminish everybody’s stats right? It specifically encourages ball movement as clearly expressed in the documentary and is just common knowledge. What does that mean? Well it means that star player/s like jordan would see less of the ball and lead to a drop in stats. Where does the ball go? It moves around more and ends up in the hands of a player like paxson. So if paxson is getting the ball more in this new offence he will shoot more, more shots and just more touches will lead to more points and more assists etc so how exactly would the triangle offence lower his stats? It increases movement and touches for the guys who are on rotational minutes so everybody gets consistent shots. It stops cold hands and keeps people hot. So it does the opposite of what you are suggesting. It does however reduce jordan’s stats as we know.
MJs facial expressions when talking about the 91' Pistons was great. It was awesome to see him express real emotions and let his guards down a bit. I also agree with Shannon, the clip about Phil Jackson telling Michael to pass Paxson the ball. Great moment.
"What was your biggest take away from the MJ documentary?"...... Skip: LeBron almost had his legacy taken away by *MY SPURS* until *RAY ALLEN HIT THE CLUTCHEST SHOT I'VE EVER SEEN*
@@RicoRamone09 The lakers were up 1-0 then Pippen locked down Magic took him out of his game... Dont get it twisted the Bulls was my squad back then but without Pippen lockdown defense the story would have been a little different
We were doing so good today brought LeBron up LOL I'm not a LeBron hater but I'm not exactly a LeBron fan but for real this is supposed to be about Michael Jordan. Yet this is always being made about why Lebron is the goat what was the point of covering this if it has to continually bring up the man that the documentary is not about 😂😂
Come on Dennis you know exactly why(sarcasim of course). Anytime MJ is brought up on this show there will be a comparison with Lebron. And its strictly due to Skip. If Skip would not be a hypocrite in making his points and not be so bias. Then Shannon wouldnt keep debating him trying to point it out. I think most know that MJ was the greatest. But when they keep acting like he did it all by himself. And\or penalize Lebron for doing something that \MJ also did. Every time you speak about either one of them. That comparison is going to come up. Besides that....the comparison is Undisputed's money maker topic! LOL
PostSniper- yeah because nothing like having your father murdered and being forced to work. The man needed time to grieve. He decided to do so by going back to his childhood love of baseball. Y’all goofy for continuously mentioning him taking time off to grieve as if it’s a knock to his legacy. Quit being weirdos.
@@postsniper-7532 leaving basketball for two years because your father was murdered and choosing not to play because you want to rest during the season is two different things.
the same people that like the Piston Bad Boys are the same people who liked the old Oakland Raiders when they were in Oakland and had a reputation as footballs "Bad Boys" theres nothing wrong with that. i myself respect the Bad Boys style of play because they were unbelievably effective and efficient. they put dread into thier opponents because Pistons always controlled the pace, which was slow and methodical before the Pistons all teams tried to emulate the success of Celtics and Lakers. Lakers and Celtics used fast break so nba had a slew of fast break teams. the fast break teams were the Celtics, Lakers, Blazers, Cavs, Bucks, and Orlando Magic among others after Pistons won back-to-back with just thier defense, nba now had teams that emphasized defense like the Bad Boys, Bulls, Miami, Knicks, Pacers among others
dwarsinskey David Warsinskey he’s been omnipresent in sports since the mid 70s. Covered the Bulls as well as the Dallas Cowboys at their zeniths in the 90s. He’s not exaggerating at all.
@@stevebn1071 most #2 players weren't high scorers high back then. during ring years with Bulls Scottie ave 20 the same as magic/worthy to kareem Mchale to Bird dumars to thomas they had balance. But skip doesn't ish on magic/worthy or mchale as if they were just ok. Jordan had pippen/harper as defensive and offensive threats. it is usually defense that wins championships and unfortunately Kyrie while great at scoring couldn't compare to scottie defense or count on him to not get hurt. most nights if bulls didn't win pippen didn't get score 18-20
Stephen N You think PPG determines who’s better? Anyone who watched Scottie play knows what kind of player he is. One of the original point forwards who could shut you down on the defensive end. Kyrie Irving is a immature clown compared to a legend like Pip.
for this talking point he literally has to ignore the other 5 finals lmao. MJ avg 41 against phx, dude dropped 45 in the clincher vs Utah and the team only had 87. Shannon really be desperate sometimes lmao
I don't think it's like he doesn't know Mike is great he's saying LeBron get killed for passing the ball of missing a free throw but media make it seem like never miss or something
@@nitrofast16 Lebron gets killed because there are times when he checked out a winnable game and the 4th quarter completely. There are also times when Lebron has the ball for most of the shot clock then passes to his teammates at the last second forcing his teammates to rush an off balance jump shot. That's where the criticism comes in. MJ and other star players already has their mind made up on what they are going to do in the final seconds of the game. Lebron often looks like he doesn't know what to do. Its like he isn't sure if he should drive or pull up and knock down a 3. While thinking he runs down the clock passing the ball to his teammates who are open, but they have to rush the shot. If you want to give Lebron a pass, you can argue that he didn't have the right coaches at the time to teach him what to do in those closing seconds
The 1993 finals Paxon shot v Suns Shannon refers to... he forgets to mention was the only basket in the 4th quarter scored by a player not named Michael Jordan.
Lebron puts the game in the hands of his teammates when he's already losing the series 3-2, his legacy is on the line, and there's all the pressure in the world on that moment. That a lil different from Jordan feeding Paxton when the Bulls are comfortably up 3-1, and there's no pressure on Paxton, or the outcome of the series.
After watching the last dance, personal conclusion was that dennis rodman is the real winner.. Got over his own demons, won 7 championships, made lifelong friends all while hooking up w the hottest girls during that time 🤣🤣
Shannon, Paxson's shot is not on the same level as Ray Allen's 3 pointer... Paxson was an example of feeding the hot hand and the Bulls were up 3-1... If Ray's shot doesn't fall, the Spurs are your 2013 NBA champs. You also have to consider the circumstances. 91 was important to MJ because the Bulls kept coming up short to the pistons and Michael was known as a guy who could score but couldn't win. 91 was a must win so I will give Shannon credit there. 2013 was a must win for LBJ and the Heat because A. It was LeBron's best season and the heat were BY FAR the best team in the league that year. The Heat were LOADED and were crushing everyone that season. B. People were not counting the 2012 championship at the time because it was a lockout season. The warriors actually got less hate than the Heatles did, the media and fans LOATHED those Miami Heat teams. The Heat had to repeat at ALL COSTS and both the Pacers and the Spurs took them a lot further than they were supposed to. No disrespect to either team, but that year the heat were a lot better that season and were supposed to handle both teams in 5-6 games. The only reason the Heat struggled so much against the Spurs was because Danny Green and Patty Mills COULD NOT MISS A DAMN 3 and were setting 3 point records almost every single game. That was a huge weakness of the Miami team, they were terrible at guarding the 3 point line and terrible at rebounding. Boris Diaw, a guy who had no business giving LeBron trouble on defense was also his primary defender that series and was giving him fits. If you think LBJ get's smack for the 2011 meltdown now, then just imagine how badly he would've gotten smack for it if they lost against the Spurs in 2013. You could overlook 2014 because that team was finished and the Heat did something the Spurs never did, and that was re-peat. Some people including my self do not really care too much about 2014 because the Heat got the job done in 2013. LeBron's rings were already validated due to that win, but that would not have been the case if Ray Allen didn't force an overtime in game 6.
If people want to think LBJ is the GOAT thats fine with me, but spreading false narratives, diminishing accomplishments and lies? That on the other hand is something i'm not cool with.
DannyLlerenaTV i got you, but the the point was MJ needed help, like Lebron, Paxton hit a game winner. Not trying to compare it to ray, if Paxton misses they lose. MJ did not do it alone. That’s all period. Damn.
Imagine if Jordan would’ve got mad he couldn’t have gotten over the piston and him and Reggie Miller or another great at the time went and joined Patrick Ewing or another great big. Shannon needs to stop. Jordan is the goat.
andre campbell I’m using it as an example. Bosh wasn’t the best big in the game at that time, but neither was Ewing. I’d rather have Hakeem at that time. I’m just saying use the same points if you’re going to critique.
Well we all know Bron had teammates... especially with Kyrie averaging 28 ppg with him in a finals win. I mean... how can we not notice AD this season? He is averaging more points on less shots and is the clear defensive player of the year... So yeah, easy to notice brons teammates
The game of basketball has changed since MJs run with the Bulls. This is a new era of basketball. Can’t compare the two. But I’d pick MJ in his prime vs LBJ in his prime.
They have the worst damn reactions to a great documentary because they too caught up in trying to make it about Jordan vs LeBron. Just enjoy the greatness from all of them!
I agree!! So tired of this battle, debate or argument!! It’s juvenile...a few men in the world are good at what they do and a small few are great at what they do! Let it go...
Sports commentary with opposing views, I get it. But to wage a discussion that can never be resolved is futile.. we did this in college and high school..time to move on. Comparing past player’s accomplishments to current player does nothing for the sport
It's not even that it's just that skip always says that Jordan did all and we're finding out that the man himself don't think like that. Shannon just pointing out some interesting facts according to what skip has been saying for years
Listen I don’t need to watch to anymore episodes of the last dance I can clearly see that MJ is the goat even before the doc was released. Come on guys whose with me.
The reason why Phil Jackson put Scottie on Magic, was because Jordan got into Foul trouble. And since Scottie did so well on Magic, Phil continued to let him guard Magic, Scottie was taller, stronger. But Scottie could guard anybody.
I wish they would just appreciate his greatness and stop bringing Lebron up in every single topic even if they talk about football they debate these two
Jordan was great. Its just Skips unwillingness to recognize the coach and role of his teammates so beyond tired at this point. Rodman scared of Jordan. Basically downtalks Pippen to the a benchwarmers to support his fandom. Man GTFOH!
He knows that he had a team eventually.. that's not the point: Skip is trying to make sure that Shannon knows that it's no competition between him and Lebron. This is the main point of their argument. We know its a team sport.
1life To live if that’s the case it would always be relevant since that’s all they argue about. The documentary is about Jordan and the Bulls how about they just talk about that and their greatness. I’m sure even Lebron tired of hearing his name everytime.
1life To live yea I’m very aware of that doesn’t make my comment false it’s just annoying to hear the same topics over and over when there is so much more to cover on different teams and athletes
"Pippen made the 2nd round in 1994, he's better than ANY team mate LeBron EVER had", Wade was a finals MVP in 2006... that's the kind of hypocrisy I think Skip is referring to, in which case he's 100% correct.
Leshannon never likes to tell the whole story, Michael Jordan supposedly had trouble guarding Magic and gave up a 19 point, 11 assists, 10 rebound, 1 block, zero steals and 5 turnover triple double in 43 minutes while Michael Jordan scored 36 points, 12 assists, 8 rebounds, 3 steals, zero blocks and 4 turnovers in 40 minutes in a 2 point loss. In game two when Scottie "locked up" Magic, he scored 14 points, 10 assists, and 7 rebounds, 2 steals, zero blocks and 4 turnovers in 43 minutes while Michael Jordan scores 33 points, 13 assists, 7 rebounds, 2 steals 1 block and 4 turnovers in 36 minutes in a 21 point blowout!! If only Michael Jordan was guarding Magic in the second game the Lakers would have had a chance to lose by less than 21! It couldn't be that the Bulls team stepped up and played better all around basketball for the rest of the series.
Hmm the fact is scottie did guard Magic. The issue with star players is they may put up good numbers, but their efficiency is what did better at driving down. We will never know if Michael staying on magic would have resulted in the same outcome. I'm just saying, give pip his due.
BRO DID YOU NOT WATCH THE EPISODE??? IT CLEARLY STATES MJ GUARDED MAGIC FROM THE FIRST PLAYOF THAT SERIES, THE BULLS LOST THAT GAME. THEY SWITCHED THE MATCHUP AND PUT SCOTTIE ON MAGIC AND THE BULLS WON EVERY GAME AFTER. JORDAN TOLD YALL HIMSELF "YOU CANNOT SAY MJ AND FORGET PIPPEN" ...RIP POPSMOKE
@@gabriel_the_salubri Those dudes were called the "sniffs". In the documentary it looked like they hung out at the United Center and worshipped a different god though. 😏
I stopped watching when Shannon said that no one today can guard the best players for a whole game like Pippen guarded Magic. This conversation is so hard to listen to. Both of them need to watch the episode again. First of all back than it was a different type of game. You could have been way way way more physical and not get a foul for it. What you can't do today. So yes, no one can do what Pippen did as the rules won't allow it. So, you can say the same thing regarding Jordan in today's basketball. He could have been way way way more open to score as no one would be able to guard him like they did back than. As for "Doing the right play" if the play for the whole season was "get the ball to Jordan" and suddenly in game 5 of the series it didn't work anymore. Good on the coach to change the play. That is his job, that is why he is the coach...
Let’s jus give credit where credit is due MJ is the goat we all know that but let’s not act like Phil didn’t have a impact on him he was a great coach jus give him his credit point blank come on skip.
@@2beezz287 mj put the pressure on his teammates every day in practice This made the bulls squad mentally tougher than their opponents which is why the bulls were able to dismantle younger squads. If Jordan didn't demand the best from his teammates there's no way they would've been 6-0 in the finals. This is why people accredit MJ with the 6 wins in the finals.
Shannon's love for LeBron was entertaining when Undisputed started, but it's getting pretty tiring when his opinion on everything basketball is influenced by his love for LeBron.
What are your thoughts on Episode 3 & 4 of Michael Jordan's documentary?
Dennis Rodman partying and Jordan coming to pick him up. 😂😂😂😂
Paxson saved MJ career
@@CjBlk ….what titles does Paxson have??
CEO of “being there”
Skip gives MJ too much credit like everyone else in the media. Hes an all time great and dominated in his prime. You cant leave 1-9 in first round off of his resume before pippen and phil. You guys cant forget that he retired for 2 years. That helped him rejuvenate and win 3 more. I dont give a pass to lebron for losing to the Mavs in 2011. Then seeming to take a break on defense in the 2018 finals and he had the cramp game in 2014 finals. Skip is over his head on this one. I love MJ and he is a top 3 great but everyone gives him too much credit. Hes a very talented legend, who never backed down from a challenge and was the ultimate competitor. Great 1 on 1 bball player but this is a team game.
Rodman dated Madonna, Carmen Electra, Toni Braxton and Vivica Fox. Definitely the MVP off court.
King Zande 😂😂
That’s so real. I’m tryna be like Rodman 🤣🤣
YES!
Facts
I don't know if this is true...but I heard Rodman pistons teammates ran a train on his first wife. Anybody heard that?
Rodman clapped prime Carmen Electra, Madonna, Vivica Fox, and Tony Braxton off the court. Goat
He never dated Toni Braxton and vivid a fox he has said it and they have also said it. He said many black women were afraid of him.
Did not know Braxton was a notch. Damn, that is GOAT!
Mike Bannon she wasn’t he never dated her or vivica he even said it. The media just did that because of the pics of them on red carpet.
Facts!!
@As I See It And Toni and Dennis let it be known that was not true
"There is no I in team. - THERE IS AN I IN WIN" cracked me up! 🤣🤣🤣
How is Dennis scared of anyone when he put a gun in his own mouth? Dennis respected Jordan. He didn't fear him! Rodman feared no man! Get that straight.
Coatesville Red Raiders the average nba player is 6’5 they can definitely fight 😂
@Coatesville Red Raiders back in the 80'-90's NBA players fought A LOT. Nowadays they won't but then they did
@Coatesville Red Raiders I'm 41 from Chicago. I remember that & he sued Rodman too but go look at Zeke, Mahorn, Laimbeer, Bird, Chief, Zo, Dr. J & etc just to name a few from the 80'-90's. Those were fights. Rudy T almost died because of a fight on the court
When he put a gun to his own mouth that sounds pretty stupid actually not brave
Cj Margiela find a clip of a good fight nowadays.
Lmao, I love how Shannon just trolling tf outta Skip with all those LeBron jerseys behind him 😭😭😭😭😭
Lol true. And Shannon always boasts on Lebron having more assists then MJ, but here he basically criticized Jordan for having 10 assists in a clinching finals game.
lmao their disputes make no more sense!
@@JSB-2Z-2K it's obviously for views.
@@glennoconnor1130 and it works
How bout Rodman smashing Carmen Electra and Madonna lol
Rodman was actually married to Carmen Electra...fun fact.
The Worm giving them both the Snake! Lol!
I have a friend who dated Madonna briefly. Small world!!!! I would rather hit Carmen Electra. 😘
And Rodman said Madonna was boring... compared to Carmen Electra, who allegedly broke/sprained his D (not sure if this is possible, but that’s what he claimed)
drizzle its def possible
Skip “I covered the Bulls” Bayless
For the Chicago tribune don’t forget.
jon mar he watched them in person lol and talked to the team
Skip “asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve” Bayless
Skip "I'm about to UNLEASH" Bayless
Bro was just about to type this same thing 😂😂
SKIPS FACE WHEN SHANNON TALKS... LMAO!!!!!!
Carl Riggins omg I know! I was gone😂😂😂
Right.. he look like he constipated
Looks like he wants to Throw up
Shannon's voice annoys me
Pulling his inner clint eastwood
Jordan said in part 1 or 2 people shouldn’t mention him without mentioning Scottie
@Dats a paddlin come on man dont overrate Pippen. He was great but no without Michael
Please bronsexuals let it be with the lies.
@Dats a paddlin but did he win the title? Was he as great as Mike? Did he win after he left the bulls and joined a tram with hakeem and barkley? Who was carrying the scoring load? Who was making the last shots? Who was defensive player of the, year and part of multiple first team Nba defensive teams? Who has the higher ppg average in the Nba?
Stop doing that Mike elevated the guy and Scottie did his part yoo because he was taught by his mentor, Michael Jordan.
Tom Donahue
Yea, he was praising his best teammate. He’s not saying “oh yea Pippen is better than me”. Pippen also said MJ carried him yet none of you fools bring that up lol.
Dats a paddlin
No one carried anyone? Except LBJ and his “bums” right?
Great team but MJ was the one helping Pippen not the other way around. I’m not saying he did it alone but this notion that Pippen “saved” him or helped him more than MJ did him is absurd. Even Pippen admits he wouldn’t have won without him but again, no one ever seems to bring that up.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx Lol Pippen helped more what you talking about. MJ did the scoring and occasional defense then Pip did the rest. He leads the bulls in other main categories other than scoring because that's MJ's forte in a league of 1 on 1.
Watching the last dance just made me realize how soft the game is today
Pick up games are more physical than the NBA these days.
Ian Wesley They’re stats that go against that statement, what people are doing are taking one or two moments from the season that occurred whenever a certain team appeared on the schedule and act like that was every team and every night
Ha! Imagine being a teenager in the 90's... I don't even compare the difference of today's game
Ian Wesley yeah, you’re right, same thing I said in the 90’s !!!
Watching the games in the 80’s made me realize how soft the game was in the 90’s
@@francoismerieux8770 because it's getting softer and softer
He was not scared of MJ he just respect him
Skip is something else. Everybody on that team would have given Jordan hands except Kerr and Paxon. From Longley and Kukoc to Armstrong, wasnt nobody scared of no damn Jordan. ESPECIALLY Pippem and Rodman. Skip is out of hand.
ricky spanish
I don’t think they were necessarily afraid of him in a fighting sense. They were afraid of him in the way someone is afraid of their parents repercussions.
@@jeffaholics2289 I would agree with that... but that's not what Skip thinks or is trying to convey.
ricky spanish
Skip and Shannon are both entertainers, they troll each other all day long. I wouldn’t put too much stock into what either of them say lol
Yep Rodman was gonna fight shaq why would be scared of mj
Dennis was never scared of MJ. He just needed a strong leader like chuck daly and MJ to keep him in stable mind.
Thank you. Dennis was scared of no man. he respected MJ, but was'nt scared of him. You see he told Air i need a vacation. A scared man would'nt ask for a vaca mid-season.
@@townsendprotections5764 Jordan wasn't scared either
Courtney White nobody said Jordan was scared of him....
Yup. And someone that he respected.
Skip is lying again just to make MJ look better.. *OLD HEAD ALERT*
Skip never gives Scottie Pippen his respect. Without Scottie, those Six Championship would not be possible
Bingo and jackpot
Facts
He cant give him respect because in his mind it makes jordan look like less of a player
100% FACTS. Skip always tries to diminish Jordan's teammates.
Skip has even said that MJ made Pippen which is even more disrespectful.
I haven’t watched the video yet but im pretty sure skip said “i was there” .
randy pacatang you hundred percent correct!
Skip “Me and Dennis we’re doing lines together in Vegas.”
randy pacatang lmmfao ...
He wrote for Chicago he had to attend the games.. obviously he was there
Dktreee I think you missed his point.
Michael had a strong dad, played for Dean Smith and Bobby Knight. He was never afraid of being coached hard if the information is correct.
One of the first things MJ said in his HOF speech was giving props to pippen and his team.
Yep. Quite different than him proclaiming he’s the goat after a finals win like somebody else.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx any athlete knows that you need a team to win. Not everyone is the alpha but as long as everyone knows their roll the rings will come. Ask Horry or Rodman
Mansa X
Agreed but apparently not every athlete feels that way.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx true
and then after that it was roast time
I wouldn’t say Rodman was scared of Michael, he probably had a lot of respect for him
Rodman wasn't scared of MJ in the least. You notice MJ never tried to punch Rodman in practice. Rodman would have beat the brakes off him.
William Right. These analyst gotta use their words better
😂😂😂😂
Exactly Bro
Rodman said he was that's were Skip get that from
Dennis Rodman's definitely a genius one of my favorite players ever
I hate when people act like celebrities aren't human Michael is human period!!
Nah y'all really be calling that man God now have the same energy 😂🤦🏾♂️
Scam Reno you so smart
Apex Anomalies larry bird said that
@@rayglover595 I'm a Bulls fan including a Jordan fan, but I agree with you 👍🏽 I 😏 ain't calling no man God or talking about God mode pertaining to him ❌
@Apex Anomalies I'm a Bulls fan including a Jordan fan, but I agree with you 👍🏽 I 😏 ain't calling no man God or talking about God mode pertaining to him ❌
Shannon Sharpe, Michael Jordan averaged 31.2 points on 56% shooting, 11.4 assists, 6.6 rebounds, 2.8 steals and 1.4 blocks .
Pretty sure he didn't wait until game 5 before he started passing the ball if he averaged 11 assists for the entire series! 😂😂
cyber6sapien his comparison was also incorrect. He is comparing lebron making the “right play” in crunch time vs Jordan making the “right play” throughout the game. Not the same thing.
That’s a great stat line for a series. Please remind me again who is the only player in NBA history to lead ALL PLAYERS in all five categories points, rebounds, assist, blocks and steals in any series- especially the finals. I’ll wait...... LBJ
Shannon always emphasize how Lebron averages more assists then Jordan, so Lebron = goat.
Now he is criticizing Jordan for having 10 assists in that game and average 11.4 for the series! He always contradict himself
@@mbaldwin2222 My point in mentioning Jordan's statline in the series is that Shannon made it seem like Jordan still wasn't trusting his teammates until that particular game. BTW, Jordan's performance in the 1991 series is still ESPN's #1 ranked finals performance of all time. While it is impressive that Lebron was able to do that in 2016, that is not a recipe for sustained success. In fact, it is indicative of why Lebron has lost so many Finals. Lebron plays in his own system, and he is the center of everything regardless of which team he plays on. When you play in an effective offensive system, your teammates' talents also get a chance to shine. That's why a player like Tim Duncan would never end up leading the Spurs in every category in the Finals. But that's also why Duncan has 5 ch'ips in 6 attempts. The Spurs never traded for a superstar during Duncan's tenure and never got a high draft pick while he was there. (Nobody knew Kawhi would be as good as he eventually became.)Yet Lebron has played with numerous stars and all stars throughout his career, but "never has enough help" in the Finals. The question is why?
cyber6sapien very true. That is also why lebron teams always tank after he leaves. When someone is the”be all end all center of the universe” type player, the team will crumble once he leaves. When Jordan left the bulls the first time, one of the reasons they could still do well is because they had a good system in place.
As much as Skip says he was there and witnessed it I didn't see him in that documentary...................
sourdieselallday on god
Rgt and David alderidge who was there ain’t talkin like tht
cause in the end he's an irrelevant loud nobody who's making money on someone's else's back.
😂😂🤣🤣
sourdieselallday
😂😩🤣💀
I think this documentary is becoming one of my favorite sports docs of all time. Enjoying it as much as the U, maybe even more.
timeline skips are not well executed
Double-standard on MJ. Bash him for losing in the 80s when his teams weren't good. Then in the 90s, bash MJ for being on great teams. He can't win either way from his haters.
Thats not point at all. When MJ does it its ok? but when other greats like lebron do it, he is spat on and ridiculed. Skip putting lebron at 8th is actually disgusting.
@Thomas Sankara Agreed bro, its actually toxic the hate towards lebron. The guy is top 2 in my eyes.
MJ hate? MJ double standard? LOL that's cute, he gets all the love and credit no matter what lol
@@IrvingDL506 well deserved too, along with the hate for LeBron's whining crying flopping stat-padding no D playing superteam stacking narcissist a$$
the difference is MJ didnt jump team idiot@@matthewitaliano9088
PHIL JACKSON: Michael, Who's Open? Mike over there wit his head down, JOHN, Well get him the BALL.. LMAO
Did Skip watch the same doc as everyone else?? Phil meant absolutely nothing?? That's why Michael refused to play for another coach right? Come on ..
Justin Spear Phil Jackson taught Mj to trust his teammates and Phil made Pippen the point forward.. that’s what’s Doug Collins don’t trust to Mj and that’s to trust your teammates..
Justin Spear Right skip is so damn stupid
That doesn't make sense if Phil meant nothing why are you still talking about him now
@@thomashakim8877 how you gonna trust your teammates when they doing drugs all the time
Or another way you could look at it is... Phil meant so much that he was asking for the approval of MJ to give a player some off time 🤔 when supposedly the coach is the maximum Authority & shot caller... 🤔 by the way MJ 🐐 23 did play for another coach after Phil.
Ps:thanks MJ for giving permission to Rodman to have a mini vacation 😎
Can we discuss the documentary at some point. Is it the last dance or the last comparison?
Fax Shannon didn't have to bring up Bron
Exactly...Man shannon loves lebron so much..he doesnt have anything to do with the Doc
If only it were the last comparison ... but then they’d have to think of another topic to debate every day for 40 minutes
@@LuisAlvarado-by1wm cause he knew skip would do it as always!!
Shane Tassin. I mean what else do u wanna talk about ? I don’t mind the entertaining argument
Skip at the beginning... "the Clint Eastwood" look. haha 1:11
😂😂😂" make my day" face
Do yuh feel Lucky punk....well do ya?!...🤣🤣🤣
@@watri stop it mannnnn lol
Lol. 😅😅😂😂
💀😂😂😂
What I like about these guys is no matter how much they disagree with each other,they allow each other to complete their points of view without interrupting each other
Isiah Thomas beat prime Larry Bird, Magic, and MJ give him his credit
The 1988 Celtics were beaten down and worn out and had no depth. People always say the Bulls beat the Pistons after they got old. The Pistons beat the Celtics because they got debilitated with injuries.
Lee Brew same age mj averaged 29,6,5 wtf are you talking about lol
Raymel Leonard on 45 percent shooting his lowest of his career while bron shooting 52 from field
Real ones know Isiah was the truth
Magic was a year removed from being the league MVP...sounds pretty prime to me
aside from MJ being the GOAT, there can be no better rebounder than Dennis Rodman, he was analytical and that surprised me
Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell had far more rebounds. Not to diminish what Rodman did.
LogicKeyz not insulting their legacies and what they did for the game, but bringing up those 2 isn’t really relevant anymore. They were honestly gods among boys and it wasn’t even close.
@@evan4092 that analogy is faxxxxx
Right? But we should all understand that Shannon is paid by the Lebron camp
@@LogicKeyzI was thinking the same thing about what you said and I’ll even include Sir Charles and Moses Malone👍🏿
In the same sentence skip called Phil a snake and the triangle offense a joke...skip just continues to show us his low basketball IQ
He's a professional troll.
Has Phil Jackson coached any championship teams without with M.J., Kobe Bryant, or Shaq on the roster? I'll wait.
@@LandStrider23 Has mj or kobe won without Phil? I'll wait
@@LandStrider23 Name the great player, other than Lebron, that won championships without great coaches. I'll WAIT
MB _87 Skip definitely does have low iq he’s just showing favoritism
Shannon failed to realize that those episodes showed how COACHABLE Jordan was how despite him not liking the triangle offense Jordan still bought into it to better the TEAM.... The respect Jordan showed Doug Collins in his very first game shows how he was willing to give a guy a chance..... When has Lebron ever came off as COACHABLE with any of his coaches the disrespect he showed David Blatt from day one showed how Lebron not willing to change his game ESPECIALLY if its gonna hurt his stats
I been sayin this for the longest
@@OfficialTyrellP thank you thank you thank you
You are so right.
When have LeBron had a coach that wasn't a rookie coach I'll wait
@@jerellane82 Phil wasn't exactly experienced when he became head coach.
Dennis didn't take a vacation, it was what we now call "Load Management" How many games did he miss again? Lol 🤫
When are we going to actually discuss the documentary?
I hated when Shannon brought up LBJ cause that's just an excuse for Skip to start comparing them and stuff and that's not what I wanted to hear now when it's about MJ's doc
Better get used to it. This is there money making topic. lol
@@bcharlz2513 you are so correct
He's a bronsexual he can't help it
@@bcharlz2513 How is that possible? How can people be so interested in this? I legitimately would rather hear about other players, even role players, than have to listen to another boring Michael Jordan topic. The guy has been done as a player for ages, enough is enough.
Oh stop it that's why you really here.😂😂😂😂
Two of the most meaningful stats is PER (player efficiency rating), and Win Shares per 48min.
MJ leads both #1 All-Time, also leads #1 All-time in PPG while shooting 50%.
The advanced numbers suggest Jordan is better, you take these impressive numbers and add 6 finals MVPs, it's a no brainer. Jordan is the GOAT.
al farouq aminu for 3
Defensive player of the year as well. 9 all team defense team I think. By far the superior defender than anyone people try to compare him with and say is better than him. Also never relied on anyone else to always make the clutch shots
You don’t think teammates affect your PER, Scottie was better than dwade 6 years removed from a title in 2012-2013, Dennis rodman is way better all time than Chris bosh. Every other team Lebron has been on up until now would barely be a playoff team without him. Even LA now would let make it out the first round in the west with only AD. Also don’t forget the competition, Talent level and players controlling their own destiny has changed the NBA landscape. The warriors when lebron beat them were better than any team Jordan faced and the bulls themselves 😂
If lebron manages to get two more rings mb 3 and leads every meaningful statistic with the most title appearances in NBA history, for multiple teams what are y’all old heads gunna say. Give it 15 years and The thought of Jordan being the goat will be just like kareem now, lebron revolutionized the game
TAQ do you actually think pippen would be the pippen we have some to know without being under MJs wings?
Let’s talk about lebron again once he reaches .500. Very unlikely.
TAQ
Kawhi is better
Shannon called Paxson a "damn good player" lol. Paxton averaged 8 pts and 3 assist that year they beat the Lakers in the finals.
8 and 3? So, I guess Lebron had a lot of damn good players too then
Swear y’all act like MJ played with straight bums
LBJ fanboys ALWAYS do that. They must exaggerate other players’ teammates while in the same breath diminishing LeBron’s teammates.
They must make excuses for his failures.
andre campbell right
They ran the triangle everybody stats went down even Mike's that's why he didn't want to run it at first
ChiRilla You do get that running the triangle doesn’t diminish everybody’s stats right? It specifically encourages ball movement as clearly expressed in the documentary and is just common knowledge. What does that mean? Well it means that star player/s like jordan would see less of the ball and lead to a drop in stats. Where does the ball go? It moves around more and ends up in the hands of a player like paxson. So if paxson is getting the ball more in this new offence he will shoot more, more shots and just more touches will lead to more points and more assists etc so how exactly would the triangle offence lower his stats? It increases movement and touches for the guys who are on rotational minutes so everybody gets consistent shots. It stops cold hands and keeps people hot. So it does the opposite of what you are suggesting. It does however reduce jordan’s stats as we know.
MJs facial expressions when talking about the 91' Pistons was great. It was awesome to see him express real emotions and let his guards down a bit. I also agree with Shannon, the clip about Phil Jackson telling Michael to pass Paxson the ball. Great moment.
Skip facial reactions are priceless 😂
How u start the show yelling lmso.
😂😂😂😂 they start too early in the morning to be yelling like that bro
Shannon has one voice setting.......LOUD!!!!! Lol.
He morphing into Steven A Smith before our very eyes
The liar always shouts..
laughing your socks off huh?
"What was your biggest take away from the MJ documentary?"......
Skip: LeBron almost had his legacy taken away by *MY SPURS* until *RAY ALLEN HIT THE CLUTCHEST SHOT I'VE EVER SEEN*
to be fair shannon was the first one to bring up lbj
@@its_hokori True. I just knew LeBron was getting brought up one way or another so I made the comment as the video was starting 😂
Hokori
Like always
@Geno And Kobe yup. That ones too easy
JORDAN = GOAT!
The series changed when Scottie Pippen started guarding magic Johnson
Bulls were still winning
@@RicoRamone09 The lakers were up 1-0 then Pippen locked down Magic took him out of his game... Dont get it twisted the Bulls was my squad back then but without Pippen lockdown defense the story would have been a little different
I agree The bulls are the control of that series because Pippen locking down magic and taken out of his game. Really swung the pendulum
Lakers only won game one in overtime despite the bulls not playing well. So u knew the bulls already got them since game one
Bruh y’all need to stop, Mike still had 36 pts in game 1. And avg 31 pts..11.4 assists and 6.6 rebounds that series
Shannon, what was your biggest takeaway from these episodes?
Shannon: They didn’t talk about Lebron James
Still crying lebron didnt have same breath as mj. Well guess what? Pass kobes 5 rings first
So true. What a Lebron chill this guy is.
U😂
Bruhhh why lebron always gets brought up they supposed to be talking about MJ and the 98 bulls. I like bron but come on.
Exactly.
We were doing so good today brought LeBron up LOL I'm not a LeBron hater but I'm not exactly a LeBron fan but for real this is supposed to be about Michael Jordan. Yet this is always being made about why Lebron is the goat what was the point of covering this if it has to continually bring up the man that the documentary is not about 😂😂
Views LeBron and Jordan debates bring the most revenue
Come on Dennis you know exactly why(sarcasim of course). Anytime MJ is brought up on this show there will be a comparison with Lebron. And its strictly due to Skip. If Skip would not be a hypocrite in making his points and not be so bias. Then Shannon wouldnt keep debating him trying to point it out. I think most know that MJ was the greatest. But when they keep acting like he did it all by himself. And\or penalize Lebron for doing something that \MJ also did. Every time you speak about either one of them. That comparison is going to come up. Besides that....the comparison is Undisputed's money maker topic! LOL
Shannon loves Bron Bron
Say what you want Dennis Rodman invented load management 😂😂
Is this Donovan Mitchell?? He typed the same thing....word for word last night
Geno And Kobe exactly if anything Michael did he left basketball twice
PostSniper- yeah because nothing like having your father murdered and being forced to work.
The man needed time to grieve. He decided to do so by going back to his childhood love of baseball. Y’all goofy for continuously mentioning him taking time off to grieve as if it’s a knock to his legacy.
Quit being weirdos.
@@atlien1988 welcome to the internet
@@postsniper-7532 leaving basketball for two years because your father was murdered and choosing not to play because you want to rest during the season is two different things.
*The Bulls were playing "🏀" but the Pistons were playing "San Quentin/Rikers Island ⛹"*
😩😫😅😂😭😭
FACTS
Enroute to 3 Finals Appearance and winning Back2Back Tiltes :D
Baaaaaaaaddddd Booooooyyyys!
the same people that like the Piston Bad Boys are the same people who liked the old Oakland Raiders when they were in Oakland and had a reputation as footballs "Bad Boys"
theres nothing wrong with that. i myself respect the Bad Boys style of play because they were unbelievably effective and efficient. they put dread into thier opponents because Pistons always controlled the pace, which was slow and methodical
before the Pistons all teams tried to emulate the success of Celtics and Lakers. Lakers and Celtics used fast break so nba had a slew of fast break teams. the fast break teams were the Celtics, Lakers, Blazers, Cavs, Bucks, and Orlando Magic among others
after Pistons won back-to-back with just thier defense, nba now had teams that emphasized defense like the Bad Boys, Bulls, Miami, Knicks, Pacers among others
Anthony Bennett
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Anthony Bennett level 1
Skip "I was there Courtside" Bayless.
He has been to literally every sporting event or is expanding the truth a bit.
Dude has been covering sports for damn near 40 years. He has
dwarsinskey David Warsinskey he’s been omnipresent in sports since the mid 70s. Covered the Bulls as well as the Dallas Cowboys at their zeniths in the 90s.
He’s not exaggerating at all.
Man people like to dismiss him and Stephen a. Say you want but that was and is their job to be there. Omg
He was a sports writer for like 150 years. So yeh he kinda has been court side at a lot of sporting events
Well he was a little further up
The other player MJ helped was Horace Grant in becoming mentally tough in dealing with the Bad Boys. Greatness.
Yall give mj credit for everything foh.. grant did that himself
What did Scottie do to Skip. His wife must’ve complimented his deep voice or long arms and he can’t forget it.
Y’all talk like pippen averaged 28 ppg along side Jordan like KYRIE did with bron...
Cornelius Small imagine someone scoring that much with Jodan and woke idiots not hating on him for it.
@@stevebn1071 most #2 players weren't high scorers high back then. during ring years with Bulls Scottie ave 20 the same as magic/worthy to kareem Mchale to Bird dumars to thomas they had balance. But skip doesn't ish on magic/worthy or mchale as if they were just ok. Jordan had pippen/harper as defensive and offensive threats. it is usually defense that wins championships and unfortunately Kyrie while great at scoring couldn't compare to scottie defense or count on him to not get hurt. most nights if bulls didn't win pippen didn't get score 18-20
Cornelius Small correction 19 ppg. Career 16ppg player. - Scottie Pippen
Stephen N You think PPG determines who’s better? Anyone who watched Scottie play knows what kind of player he is. One of the original point forwards who could shut you down on the defensive end. Kyrie Irving is a immature clown compared to a legend like Pip.
The talk about Paxson explained in episode 4. MJ the GOAT.
Regular season MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, all star MVP, Slamdunk champion, All in the same year!
Calm down kid
Negan Lucil yes Kareem
Juan Dela Cruz And scoring champs ,steels champ
When will SKIP MAKES HIS DEBUT IN THE LAST DANCE SINCE HE WAS THERE STEP BY STEP AS HE CLAIMS 🤣🤣🤣
He's on fox. ESPN made the doc.
Skip was disguised as Carmen Electra.
@@-Stinky_Pinky bruh didn't rodman smash carmen electra?
@@siggietyrone3965 😂 yup he sure did smash "Carmen Electra"
@@mateomayorga23 weak excuse because many people on the doc don't work for espn.
Shannon what are your thoughts on the Michael Jordan documentary?
Shannon: Lebron James
Brian Thereault 😂😂😂
My thoughts exactly 😂😂😂😂. Everything is connected to james hahaha
@@neilalexandrewmag-aso4089 he hates mj
for this talking point he literally has to ignore the other 5 finals lmao. MJ avg 41 against phx, dude dropped 45 in the clincher vs Utah and the team only had 87. Shannon really be desperate sometimes lmao
I don't think it's like he doesn't know Mike is great he's saying LeBron get killed for passing the ball of missing a free throw but media make it seem like never miss or something
Ppl forget Mike Mike had great teammates..n a great coach
@@nitrofast16 Lebron gets killed because there are times when he checked out a winnable game and the 4th quarter completely. There are also times when Lebron has the ball for most of the shot clock then passes to his teammates at the last second forcing his teammates to rush an off balance jump shot.
That's where the criticism comes in. MJ and other star players already has their mind made up on what they are going to do in the final seconds of the game. Lebron often looks like he doesn't know what to do. Its like he isn't sure if he should drive or pull up and knock down a 3. While thinking he runs down the clock passing the ball to his teammates who are open, but they have to rush the shot.
If you want to give Lebron a pass, you can argue that he didn't have the right coaches at the time to teach him what to do in those closing seconds
MikeBNumba6 y
The 1993 finals Paxon shot v Suns Shannon refers to... he forgets to mention was the only basket in the 4th quarter scored by a player not named Michael Jordan.
Lebron puts the game in the hands of his teammates when he's already losing the series 3-2, his legacy is on the line, and there's all the pressure in the world
on that moment.
That a lil different from Jordan feeding Paxton when the Bulls are comfortably up 3-1, and there's no pressure on Paxton, or the outcome of the series.
@Geno And Kobe not one bit.
What about when mj missed that game winning shot, I'll wait 4 the excuses
Ninertribe004 NAME ONE SERIES WHEN LEBRON WAS DOWN 3-2 aAND HE GAVE SOMEBODY ELSE THE BALL IM WAITINGGG YOU CLOWNS SAY ANYTHING
@@CjBlk 6 and 0. No excuses needed.
Yes!! Excellent point! Context matters!!
What Isiah is talking on First Take is totally different than Skip is talking here !
"michael, dennis got something he wanna tell you" hahahaha, dying laughing
After watching the last dance, personal conclusion was that dennis rodman is the real winner..
Got over his own demons, won 7 championships, made lifelong friends all while hooking up w the hottest girls during that time 🤣🤣
💯😂
He won 5
@@dosalmasjd5886 still. he has accomplished great things
I’m waiting for skips cameo in the last dance doc the way he says he was there I hope he’s not fibbing
Check out some of the old docs. He was there
He works for a different network than the one that makes the doc series
😏Look in the background 🙄🤐😌
Yea he was there
He worked for the Chicago Tribune in 98
Shannon, Paxson's shot is not on the same level as Ray Allen's 3 pointer... Paxson was an example of feeding the hot hand and the Bulls were up 3-1... If Ray's shot doesn't fall, the Spurs are your 2013 NBA champs. You also have to consider the circumstances. 91 was important to MJ because the Bulls kept coming up short to the pistons and Michael was known as a guy who could score but couldn't win. 91 was a must win so I will give Shannon credit there. 2013 was a must win for LBJ and the Heat because A. It was LeBron's best season and the heat were BY FAR the best team in the league that year. The Heat were LOADED and were crushing everyone that season. B. People were not counting the 2012 championship at the time because it was a lockout season. The warriors actually got less hate than the Heatles did, the media and fans LOATHED those Miami Heat teams. The Heat had to repeat at ALL COSTS and both the Pacers and the Spurs took them a lot further than they were supposed to. No disrespect to either team, but that year the heat were a lot better that season and were supposed to handle both teams in 5-6 games. The only reason the Heat struggled so much against the Spurs was because Danny Green and Patty Mills COULD NOT MISS A DAMN 3 and were setting 3 point records almost every single game. That was a huge weakness of the Miami team, they were terrible at guarding the 3 point line and terrible at rebounding. Boris Diaw, a guy who had no business giving LeBron trouble on defense was also his primary defender that series and was giving him fits. If you think LBJ get's smack for the 2011 meltdown now, then just imagine how badly he would've gotten smack for it if they lost against the Spurs in 2013. You could overlook 2014 because that team was finished and the Heat did something the Spurs never did, and that was re-peat. Some people including my self do not really care too much about 2014 because the Heat got the job done in 2013. LeBron's rings were already validated due to that win, but that would not have been the case if Ray Allen didn't force an overtime in game 6.
Man somebody had to say it
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No lies detected
If people want to think LBJ is the GOAT thats fine with me, but spreading false narratives, diminishing accomplishments and lies? That on the other hand is something i'm not cool with.
DannyLlerenaTV i got you, but the the point was MJ needed help, like Lebron, Paxton hit a game winner. Not trying to compare it to ray, if Paxton misses they lose. MJ did not do it alone. That’s all period. Damn.
Imagine if Jordan would’ve got mad he couldn’t have gotten over the piston and him and Reggie Miller or another great at the time went and joined Patrick Ewing or another great big. Shannon needs to stop. Jordan is the goat.
Lmao Bosh is pat Ewing now..
Jordan just mad then they drafted Pippen and got Horace and Cartwright
Id put Kobe over mj because Kobe faced harder competition. Kareem the goat in my opinion
Great point
andre campbell I’m using it as an example. Bosh wasn’t the best big in the game at that time, but neither was Ewing. I’d rather have Hakeem at that time. I’m just saying use the same points if you’re going to critique.
Missing alot after the 90s love you Michael Jordan 23
Skip is a funny guy Pippen says I'm open I'm open Jordan looks over at him and says stop it LOL
My takeaway is that mj was betting on shannon to win the superbowl 😂😂
Yeh Im surprised he didnt say anything about that
damn i did not put that together like you did lol
Good call
I’m surprised Shannon didn’t bring that up 😂, but he was prolly grinning seeing that scene
MJ's apg before winning a title (minus injury season): 6.14
MJ's apg during his six championship seasons: 4.85
nice stat... ty
hard to watch when Shannon wants to make the topic about what makes LBJ better than MJ and just gets Skip going
@jon mar not really
@Azrael6394 who r u to call him a bum
jon mar Um no. LeBron is not on Jordan’s level, but will try to manipulate fans to believe so.
@jon mar faxxx. Except for the quitting tho. MJ never did that
@jon mar 2010: Game 5, Eastern Conference semifinals
We need the Chicago bulls and bad boys pistons rivalry today. I need to hate a team that bad😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jordan was the best offensive and defensive player of all time.
Damn Carmen Electra still looks hot!!
K Stats fr she honestly looked better during the interview than in the historical footage
@@jki808 That's because she's not worn out from getting her back blown out every night by Dennis Rodman.
JSuss ong
I really didnt know Jordan had teammates. I thought he played by himself the whole time .
Me too
And I was there
Skip made it seem he was
Well we all know Bron had teammates... especially with Kyrie averaging 28 ppg with him in a finals win. I mean... how can we not notice AD this season? He is averaging more points on less shots and is the clear defensive player of the year...
So yeah, easy to notice brons teammates
Sure bruh
The game of basketball has changed since MJs run with the Bulls. This is a new era of basketball. Can’t compare the two.
But I’d pick MJ in his prime vs LBJ in his prime.
They have the worst damn reactions to a great documentary because they too caught up in trying to make it about Jordan vs LeBron. Just enjoy the greatness from all of them!
Good try man...but they can't do it.
I agree!! So tired of this battle, debate or argument!! It’s juvenile...a few men in the world are good at what they do and a small few are great at what they do! Let it go...
Its a sports debate show, not a great players appreciation show. If you dont like it, kick rocks.
Sports commentary with opposing views, I get it. But to wage a discussion that can never be resolved is futile.. we did this in college and high school..time to move on. Comparing past player’s accomplishments to current player does nothing for the sport
It's not even that it's just that skip always says that Jordan did all and we're finding out that the man himself don't think like that. Shannon just pointing out some interesting facts according to what skip has been saying for years
1:40 Shannon making a fool of himself 😂 Theres literally audio and footage of Jordan telling Steve Kerr he's gonna pass him the ball
What made the walk off even tougher was they walked right past the bulls bench.
Shannon act like the game was in the 4ty qrt Lmao 🤣
Sounds familiar doesn’t it 😅😅
Rodman was getting mad cheeks back then.
😂😂😂 that was hilarious!
Jaime Morales lol 😂 i can only Salute him
True that, he has an impressive cheeks smashing resume!
Fire Angel Chris 😂
William Staats Lol
Got to respect it
Listen I don’t need to watch to anymore episodes of the last dance I can clearly see that MJ is the goat even before the doc was released. Come on guys whose with me.
we all knew this beforehand, so?
The reason why Phil Jackson put Scottie on Magic, was because Jordan got into Foul trouble. And since Scottie did so well on Magic, Phil continued to let him guard Magic, Scottie was taller, stronger. But Scottie could guard anybody.
If this was about napoleon fights in russia, skip would say "I was sitting in courtside"
Shannon just running his damn mouth.... Jordan averaged 11 assists against the Lakers
Skip "I was there" Bayless
I wish they would just appreciate his greatness and stop bringing Lebron up in every single topic even if they talk about football they debate these two
Shannon is obssesed ! that man is in love with Lebron and can´t watch a doc about MJ without comparing the two.
Michael Jordan.
Simple💯
Jordan was great. Its just Skips unwillingness to recognize the coach and role of his teammates so beyond tired at this point. Rodman scared of Jordan. Basically downtalks Pippen to the a benchwarmers to support his fandom. Man GTFOH!
Factz
He knows that he had a team eventually.. that's not the point: Skip is trying to make sure that Shannon knows that it's no competition between him and Lebron. This is the main point of their argument. We know its a team sport.
Y would you call dude a liar when he seened it up close and personal🤷🏿
Shannon finds a way to bring Lebron into it every time smh. Jordan > Lebron end of discussion
1life To live if that’s the case it would always be relevant since that’s all they argue about. The documentary is about Jordan and the Bulls how about they just talk about that and their greatness. I’m sure even Lebron tired of hearing his name everytime.
1life To live yea I’m very aware of that doesn’t make my comment false it’s just annoying to hear the same topics over and over when there is so much more to cover on different teams and athletes
Michael defended Magic a lot more in that series than people let on.
I'm glad that Skip Bayless is Finally being honest about Michael Jordan and finally agreeing with Shannon Sharpe...WOW!!!! I applaud you Skip
It’s classic that the doco has actually exposed some of Skip’s BS. ‘Scottie and Phil are overrated.’ Spare me.
"Pippen made the 2nd round in 1994, he's better than ANY team mate LeBron EVER had", Wade was a finals MVP in 2006... that's the kind of hypocrisy I think Skip is referring to, in which case he's 100% correct.
Ronnie Branford true, if you take clip in isolation. Skip has forever asserted in every context that Pippen is overrated. He is not.
What did Phil Jackson do when he wasn’t coaching the best players in the league? You’re spared
Rochambeau 21 Yoga and meditation apparently. It’s lazy analysis to suggest that just because he had the best players he is not a great coach.
Leshannon never likes to tell the whole story, Michael Jordan supposedly had trouble guarding Magic and gave up a 19 point, 11 assists, 10 rebound, 1 block, zero steals and 5 turnover triple double in 43 minutes while Michael Jordan scored 36 points, 12 assists, 8 rebounds, 3 steals, zero blocks and 4 turnovers in 40 minutes in a 2 point loss. In game two when Scottie "locked up" Magic, he scored 14 points, 10 assists, and 7 rebounds, 2 steals, zero blocks and 4 turnovers in 43 minutes while Michael Jordan scores 33 points, 13 assists, 7 rebounds, 2 steals 1 block and 4 turnovers in 36 minutes in a 21 point blowout!! If only Michael Jordan was guarding Magic in the second game the Lakers would have had a chance to lose by less than 21! It couldn't be that the Bulls team stepped up and played better all around basketball for the rest of the series.
Hmm the fact is scottie did guard Magic. The issue with star players is they may put up good numbers, but their efficiency is what did better at driving down. We will never know if Michael staying on magic would have resulted in the same outcome. I'm just saying, give pip his due.
BRO DID YOU NOT WATCH THE EPISODE??? IT CLEARLY STATES MJ GUARDED MAGIC FROM THE FIRST PLAYOF THAT SERIES, THE BULLS LOST THAT GAME. THEY SWITCHED THE MATCHUP AND PUT SCOTTIE ON MAGIC AND THE BULLS WON EVERY GAME AFTER. JORDAN TOLD YALL HIMSELF "YOU CANNOT SAY MJ AND FORGET PIPPEN"
...RIP POPSMOKE
If you watched the series, MJ, Pippen and Ron Harper were switching just like how 2015 GSW play. MJ guarded Magic most of the time in that series.
How does lebron come up in a topic about a Jordan documentary sheesh
'cause Bronsexual Sharpe said so. All of them should wear purple jock straps (they call masks) with the number 23 over their faces.
@@gabriel_the_salubri Those dudes were called the "sniffs". In the documentary it looked like they hung out at the United Center and worshipped a different god though. 😏
@@robertvallejos9374 :D **hahahahaha!** Nice!
I stopped watching when Shannon said that no one today can guard the best players for a whole game like Pippen guarded Magic. This conversation is so hard to listen to. Both of them need to watch the episode again. First of all back than it was a different type of game. You could have been way way way more physical and not get a foul for it. What you can't do today. So yes, no one can do what Pippen did as the rules won't allow it. So, you can say the same thing regarding Jordan in today's basketball. He could have been way way way more open to score as no one would be able to guard him like they did back than. As for "Doing the right play" if the play for the whole season was "get the ball to Jordan" and suddenly in game 5 of the series it didn't work anymore. Good on the coach to change the play. That is his job, that is why he is the coach...
The man said he gave him one glance like “stop it” 😭😭😭😭
The eyes talk 🤣🤣🤣
Let’s jus give credit where credit is due MJ is the goat we all know that but let’s not act like Phil didn’t have a impact on him he was a great coach jus give him his credit point blank come on skip.
It’s was 80% MJ 20% Phil so he has a point
My biggest takeaway from the series through the first 4 episodes is Jordan had way more help than people like to admit.
You are right but it’s a team game though and always has been. He wasn’t afraid to admit needing help.
Truth
@@bakedyoda420 yeah but people will throw that 6-0 Finals record around as if it's an individual accomplishment.
@@2beezz287 mj put the pressure on his teammates every day in practice This made the bulls squad mentally tougher than their opponents which is why the bulls were able to dismantle younger squads. If Jordan didn't demand the best from his teammates there's no way they would've been 6-0 in the finals. This is why people accredit MJ with the 6 wins in the finals.
Why is Shannon always so Salty 😂😂😂😂 this doc gonna be the death of unk shay lol
Because talking to Skip is like talking to a brick wall.
Shannon's love for LeBron was entertaining when Undisputed started, but it's getting pretty tiring when his opinion on everything basketball is influenced by his love for LeBron.
For a guy that’s super talented and a step above all,Mj loved his coaches and was very coachable