🔴LEAD & LIES!🔴...SIG P322 Leaded Barrel and Customer Service FAIL!
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- Опубліковано 21 січ 2023
- Finally an end to nearly a year of lies and excuses from @sigsauerinc over their failure of a .22lr. Apparently, according to one of their "Team Lead" customer service reps, even their finance department can't manage to do their job properly. 🔴🔴FYI, I misspoke at the very beginning as far as purchase date, I purchased this P322 on April 22, 2022 like I summarized here 19:34 . July was the first interaction with Sig.🔴🔴
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🔴🔴FYI, I misspoke at the very beginning as far as purchase date, I purchased the gun on April 22, 2022 like I summarized here 19:34 . July was the first interaction with Sig.🔴🔴
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@@necummins8696 what’s up with ammo??
Yeah, it was clear this has been a long ordeal.
I'd have titled it " LEAD SIG-NESS "
If Booger was running this opp, Sig would become your best sponsor in lieu of uploading the last lead retest that Mike gave you the opportunity to "run" ( but you may...or may not have run ) as he discovered "other options."
Grinnnn...
I regret that I can only give one upvote.
I am so proud of you for telling that whole story and not using any bad words. You are an inspiration!
It wasn't easy.😆😆😆
That’s definitely a skill
Cursing is a bad habit & hard to break. Can be done though. I will quit or die trying.
@@wbwills2 amen
Mike was pissed off
Great job Sig, This will really boost sales.
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I had a small problem with my Emissary after 200 rnds. I returned it and it was sent back after only three weeks and I haven't had any problems since. Great.
I've no personal experience with Sig customer service, but the experience you share is reason enough to steer clear of the company and their products.
It was my first and last.
Sig was helleva company before 2010.
All the issues and recalls are good enough reason, period! Then, the unjustified pricing is another
@@ToolsandTargets stuff like this make me wonder if this is why the military denied their new battle rifle.?
I've contacted them a few times for various things and have had nothing but pleasant experiences so far. Last time, I lost the pin to my P365xl and they shipped me a replacement for free.
We need to hold companies like this accountable. Thanks for the heads up.
Absolutely😎👍
And right here proves why good customer service is a must. A happy customer might tell a few people, but an upset customer will tell everyone. And rightfully so. When they do you won't like this, they deserve to be called out. Thanks for putting in the time good sir.
Appreciate ya!
Their consistent hand waving of problems has turned me against buying anything from them. And customer interaction is a vital part of trust.
Absolutely agree.😎👍
They have big military contracts and don't need us anymore. I still like my m18 though.
They suck. And their p320... I hope they pay for that one. In full.
It's amazing how many defend them online. You'd think Sig hired a troll farm. Instead they got some for free.
I bought a sig 226 I had severe accuracy problems and then I started getting a flat spot on top and the end of the barrel, I took it back were I bought it and I work part time in the archery department but have a lot of friends in the gun department the manager contacted them and he pretty much came back with a threat telling how much it will cost if its found that it's my fault, we sent it back about a month later they send it back with no explanation I shot 50 rounds and started getting a flat spot on the barrel again . I took it back sent it in after about another month I get it back with another barrel and they said they put new sights on it they said the sight came loose and caused damage I never saw wear Mark's anywhere and believe me I checked with a magnifying glass because I knew it was rubbing somewhere who knows what caused it but it was the last sig I ever bought. If I didn't have friends in the gun department I probably wouldn't have gotten anything done.
Glad you finally got it sorted out. I can fully understand your feelings on Sig after this. You gave them every reasonable opportunity to make this right, and they failed on every account. It'll certainly give me pause for ever buying another one of their products again.
The obvious lying is what did it for me.
@@ToolsandTargets Exactly!! As C. M. B. mentions, you were more than patient with them as they strung you along through the flaming hoops of their 'process'. But once they start outright lying to you? You have no choice other than to call BS on the play, or else you end up feeling like a total chump.
Wow, what a mess. Thanks for shining a light for the rest of us!
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Good job calling them out on this. Being in the customer service field , my opinion is you handed this in a very professional and respectful way. I'm not sure I would have been so nice.
Thank you sir. I have to say that if this were my only gun, I would have flipped.
I've been waiting for this video to come out simply because I knew you weren't going to pull any punches, and you did NOT let me down! Great video T and nicely done!
Thank you sir. 😎👊
🤔When having 3 Hi-points on hand is better than a sig being fixed 😮
These kinds of experiences, though unfortunate and avoidable, need to be shared. They will learn the hard way that pulling stunts like this will cost them thousands. Had they really fixed the problem or offered a refund at the beginning, they'd probably still have you as a customer. Now, they've lost many more. I have a couple of Sigs, I like them, but customer service and follow up are key and I'm not willing to risk duplicating your experience, so no more Sigs. I had an issue with my Kimber after somewhere between 5000 to 10000 rounds fired through it. Their rep asked a couple of questions about which parts I needed, clarified the design differences, sent the part that day or the next. Problem solved. I was surprised at the " no charge" fix. Crimson Trace is like that as well. Stellar.
Exactly. I can tell you for a fact there are 3 Sigs at my local shop right now that I would have bought months ago if they would have been honest about this deal.
It's a shame a company like this does this with their warranty when companies like High-point have an unconditional transferable no questions asked guarantee. Even Ruger has good customer service. Had a problem with the LCP max when they first came out, 2 weeks later had it back with 2 extra mags. I was going to buy a p322 when they first came out but I waited when I saw your videos and others about this issue. I just ended up getting a P17 and a TX22 for the price of the Sig. Have not regretted it one bit, both are 100% reliable.
TX22 puts it to shame. I don't think I've ever dealt with any other company that acted like they were trying everything possible to NOT fix a problem.
Yeah I really like my tx22, never had a single problem
👋 Tools.. I'm sorry you had to go through all the lies, deception, poor customer service and the whole 9 brother.. Glad you got a check & salute to you for exposing sig for the poor quality Firearm & customer service... I'm glad I own zero sigs and will never buy a gun made from them. Stay 2A💪🇺🇸 Brother
Real shame it went like this. 🤷♂️
Great job. Very well documented and explained by you. I am the same way with holding people accountable. It is unfortunate and disappointing. I have been on the fence about adding a SIG to my collection, as I do not have a weapon from them. I have held back purchasing for other reasons but this probably going to deter me. Thanks, from Buffalo NY
Thank you sir. Glad it's done.
Sig lost my business after watching this.
They definitely wont be getting mine.
This is a terrible look for Sig. At this point, I will never buy a Sig product. The entire company appears to be rotten to its core.
Thanks for the end of the sig saga ! You are a much more patient man than me.
It was tough to maintain.😆
Wow. I totally did not expect to see that the check would be cut up towards the end.. Glad you was able to still use it. That's just crazy... DANG Tools!!! GOOD video bro & most definitely glad you let us know the truth man...
All I was thinking when I saw that check was having to deal with these liars even longer.
@@ToolsandTargets fwiw the usps (mail carriers) do put many letters through an automatic sorter and it does cust up some letters... the envelope you showed is exactly what cut-up letters get put inside and imho that cutup check was a coincidence...albeit a cherry on top of a turd cake but still a coincidence.
I do appreciate your videos tho and this is sad for Sig and potential new buyers.
It's almost as if Sig got a big fat military contract, and now they no longer have to care... 🤔
Yep
I was trying to decide between a p365 and a Shield Plus a few months back, and your experience with Sig custom service is part of the reason I'm now a proud Smith & Wesson owner... Thanks for all you do, buddy!!
I secretly wish this p365 would fall apart so I have a reason to replace it.😆
Both are good guns. Think you'll be happy with the S&W.
Love S and W.
I’m in the same boat and am also going S&W shield plus. Also because I was told a 365 is a fully cocked striker
@@ToolsandTargets 😂 If I was you, I'd carry that Gx4 I've seen in your testing before! Taurus customer service might have Sig beat!
After watching your 2nd test video on the P322 I took mine out to the range again and ran a full 150 rounds through it and inspected the bore and sure enough it was leading up bad near the muzzle. I cleaned it and placed it back in case. When a local dealer finally got a few of the Kel-Tec P-17 in stock I took my P322 down and traded even for a P-17. Took a big $ hit on that trade but It was worth it. I now have close to 500 rounds through the P-17 and the barrel is dirty for sure but you can still see the lands and grooves all the way to the muzzle. Two swipes with a brush and cloth and the barrel is shiny again. Nothing even close to the way the bore looked on the P322 after only 150 rounds.
Glad you found it early and was able to unload it. A lot of people who own this thing are in serious denial. I hate wasting money as much as the next man, but sticking your head in the sand and pretending it's all fine doesn't make it all fine.
I love this video!! You called them out on the carpet. I have never thought much of the sig line .Always thought they were over priced. Best video of the year.
Appreciate ya!😎👊
I’m glad you got this resolved, they should be fixing this problem if they know it’s occurring,they must have an issue with bore diameter on some barrels for some reason that floated out of spec or their tolerances are too loose, I have a P322 that I got early last year and I have put well over 1k rounds through it trying to make it lead up and it has not had any sign whatsoever of that issue, I even used “crappy” non plated stuff and it didn’t happen so I’m lucky I guess, it’s a shame because I have been really happy with the m18 too but now I’m Leary about buying anything else from them due to the way they handled your issue,Thanks for keeping us informed about these industry issues and for your ammo tests & shopping trips
Thank you sir. That's why I'm done. I never have been much of a gambler.
Most reputable companies that manufacture retail products have an escalation team that takes over customer service for warranty claims that go unresolved on the first return.
Maybe they hold job fairs on college campuses or recruit laid off Twitter employees?
Glad you got it resolved, good save on the check, and thanks for the warning.
Sounds about right.
I don't think I will be seeing any Sig weapons in my future. Thanks for the information but I am sorry you had to go through it.
Thank you sir.
Sig's customer service is about as reliable as the drop safety on a P320
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Sig Sauer, the finest quality _Made in India_ firearms on the market.
We’ve used Sig (and Glock) customer service both as an FFL and as an individual. Both offer among the best CS in the industry. If you want bad CS, welcome to Smith and Wesson.
Don’t know how Sig is to blame for any of this. Go to the Glock 44 forum and you have people reporting fouling and Glock never sends an RMA for that they just said to clean the gun.
Well I’m glad I saw your video today. I was just doing some research about to get one of the P322’s. Now after seeing your video …I’m looking at other options! Thanks for your vid👍
Great summary. Sig lost quite a bit of future customers with the way they handled this one. No way I am going to risk that frustration on any future firearm I purchase especially since they are incredibly overpriced to begin with and dont appear to be offering superior quality.
Thank you sir. They cash in on perceived value. Marketing geniuses.
Thanks for the heads up. I was thinking I would get a SIG Cross... not now. SIG can consider that they've lost another sale in light of your experience. I had problems with Savage (original bore and replacement barrel bore both looked like Swiss cheese) and i will no longer buy their junk either. This is exactly the kind of videos we need as firearms enthusiasts to be sure we're spending our hard earned money with quality manufacturers. Thanks again!
Appreciate that!
Very interesting because I've had the same problem with my Taurus TX22 !!! Barrel leaded up cRaZy after 200 rounds of Remington and Winchester ammo. After a serious scrubbing I used Federal Automach a didn't have any problem.
I am so glad you made this Video The bottom line is the Sig P322 is a failure. I own one and at a a point to just loose money and sell it at a garage sale. Will never buy Sig again. I send them an email and did not get any satisfaction. Again thank you for this Vedic and this 22 year retired military veteran will never buy Sig again.
It's really a shame how they handled this. They just don't care. This was the last thing Sig branded I will ever buy.
HOLY COW!!! What a damn shame. The ripped up check was the cherry on TOP of the icing!
I was looking at getting an sig 322 but after this video no way in hell.
I rather go with a Taurus TX22.
@tools&Targets you are one of the few you tubers that is honest with their viewers. And I love your content you put out for us.
Thank you sir. TX22 is a great gun.
Funny, I had dealing with Bradshaw before. I have a Sig Cross that the extractor fell out and jammed the action. I told SIG exactly what happened and got the song and dance that I was all my fault and I would have to pay for any shipping and repairs, due to this being a used firearm. He was hinting the bolt most likely would need to be replaced. I replied that a fellow SIG cross owners happened to be on the range with me and observed what happened , the range safety officer on site when this happened, also talkingwith my FFL, and my son a former Marine Combat Engineer/Instructor and now works at an FFL selling SIGs all agree that anything I done would not have lead to this failure. Had some more feedback until I stated “Well I guess I can reply to NutnFancy and tell him of another potential issue with the Cross.” Next thing I heard was “Please hold.” Followed by “We are sending you a RMA covering your shipping. Since this is a used firearm would you agree to pay a nominal shop fee?” To which I agreed. It is a shame you have to threaten bad publicity before you can get customer service!
It really is a shame. Sig is an absolutely terrible company with a genius marketing department.
Another great video Brotha , sux that ya had to go through all that BS , but I thank you for sharing this with us .. I'm sure this will keep many others from having to go through this ..
Thank you sir. Glad it's done with for sure.
I've had bad customer service from Mossberg recently. Bought a maverick 88 new. Well, since it was made in 2020 it's not covered. It sat in the shop for 4 years, still new, but the warranty isn't valid anymore. The one year warranty. So much for them having the best customer service in the industry.
Glad you are now done with the whole process and free of that firearm. You are not the only person to have the leading problems. I fact G4 outdoors made several videos with the same issue. In fact he was mad enough that he tossed it down range. It just shows how frustrating things like this can be. I agree with many I will not buy a sig too many problems with several models and no good fix. Older sig models were great new polymer models seem to have problems. Thanks again for the update ,have a good week.
Thank you sir. I was wondering what happened with his. Haven't seen anything about it since then.
@@ToolsandTargets . I haven’t come across an update on his channel either. I hope he got it taken care of. Have a great week .
Thanks for the heads up. I've heard to many stories about Sig customer service and shoddy QC to consider ever buying one. I was tempted with the P365 but ended up going with the Shield plus. I'll stick with Glock and S&W for my polymer pistol needs.
I'm done with their guns and ammo.
I had the EXACT same leading issues with my P322. After I sent it in it took TEN WEEKS for SIG to return it to me. I called weekly and they had a different BS excuse why they hadn’t returned it to me. I heard “Engineering is working on the issue” so many times it was sickening! I’ve had nothing but trouble with SIG from my SIG Cross, P320 and now the P322. I’m done with SIG and I let everyone I know in the shooting sports how bad they are!
Do Not Buy Anything From SIG!!
There's no telling how many people have bad ones that don't even contact them and are just accepting it.
I had a crooked barrel in my SIG Cross. I mean visibly crooked scope maxed out right and 6" off at 50y .The customer service guy yelled at me for a while about hand loads and everyone else but me is stacking dimes. Its supossedly fixed but I have yet to fire it. I will probably never buy SIG again.
Great video and information, it's too bad the P322 is having those issues, I've been thinking about replacing my old Ruger.
Thank you sir. TX22 is the way to go for a .22lr pistol.
Wow, ya know I was really looking forward to purchasing a brand new Sig P322. that was until i saw this video. Thank you T&T for your transparency with this barrel and customer service problem. Sig should take good care of their customers, I'm sure you have purchased your last firearm from them. I can't help but think when they machine (broach) the barrel it was massively out of tolerance. I do wonder if they have corrected the problem yet? I actually held a P322 at the gun store just the other day, It felt really good. So I came home and started checking reviews on the gun as I really liked its size. I am so glad I saw your very documented video calling them out on their handling of your situation. Needless to say, I will not be purchasing a P322. Thanks for posting this!!! Jay from Pa.
It's a shame how this went down for sure. I am seeing people on their own forums within the past month still posting pics of this issue.
So sorry you had to endure that whole fiasco, Tools. Thank you for sharing it, so we don't have to suffer the same abuse. You were more patient than I could've been. I'll tell folks what happened to you, too. There are many other companies who must want our business more than Sig Sauer does.
Appreciate ya!
Thank you ! Thank you ! for posting this problem !!!
Not a SIG fan because I bought SIG Mosquito and it was total junk, but let me tell you about a problem I had with a Ruger American Target 17HMR. It wouldn't eject so I called Ruger and the lady asked if I would be willing to change the extractor myself. I said sure, and had one in two days. That didn't fix the problem so I called Ruger back, and while I was on the phone with Ruger I got an RMA emailed to me. Sent it back, and two weeks later I got an email that they were sending me out a new gun and wanted my FFL information. That is top notch customer service in my opinion. I have always been a fan of Ruger and that experience solidified my stance.
Definitely what you wanna see.😎👍
I sent my 322 back for service , bought on 8/28 /23 RETURNED for repair on 8/30/23 , my gun has a long list of malfunctions , mags are weak point , slide lock fails closing when i eject the mag , want lock back on last round , lite primer strikes , I have regret buying this gun .
Wow I'm really sorry to hear your situation with Sig. I've owned and currently own a P226, P220, P320, P365, and a P229. While these firearms have performed flawlessly for me the way they treated you was wrong and definitely will make me think twice about from purchasing from them in the future.
Never had a single problem with my 365. They should have stayed away from rimfire if they didn't know what they were doing and weren't willing to learn.
@@ToolsandTargets I definitely agree and the way they treated you was piss poor. If it were up to me I would've fixed the issue and sent some ammo or extra magazines your way as a hey we apologize for any inconvenience and hope you'll continue to be a customer. Unfortunately they did the bare minimum with the refund months later after endless attitude and lying repeatedly.
When some companies get gov contracts all of a sudden their shit doesn't stink lol 😆 😂
Funny how that happens. Worst part is we can't keep the tax money that the govt steals from us from going to them.😆
I feel for you having to go through all that. I've learned a long time ago, I never buy anything when it first comes out, mainly for reasons just like this. Glad you were able to finally get it resolved, damn what a headache!
Appreciate that😎👍
So excited to watch this video after watching the livestream last night. I’m grabbing some popcorn 🍿
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You made good sense during your live cast yesterday. I was impressed. We’re on the same page! Cheers.
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊
Good evening Tools. Hey bud good live stream last night 👍. Well number one glad to see you got your refund and was able to cash it in. That is a real shame you had to go through all that. The customer service does it for me. That is not a professional and courteous business department there. Honesty is the best policy and they were far from it. Total lack of respect between manufacturer and consumer. What a pity. Thanks for sharing and be safe. 🇺🇸⭐️😎🇺🇸
Thank you sir. Glad you came to hang out!
Oh boy I've been excited to see this.
Technical difficulties made it a little late.😆
👋 kody. I have also buddy
@@ToolsandTargets 🤣🤣
@@BulletsB4Guns_2A I'm glad I haven't had an experience like this because I tend to like Sig products, but I can understand having an experience like this could make a person dislike a company and not buy their products anymore.
@@ToolsandTargets 🤣 I bet. Sorry this all went down because I know you were excited about the 322 and like your 365 but I totally get why you'll never do business with em again.
Thank you Brian, you saved me $400. I almost bought it this weekend.
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Thanks for always getting great info out. I am amazed that Santa even watches Tools and Targets as there was a new TX-22 under the Christmas tree. He didn't want to take the chance. I
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You are justified in your frustration and I am impressed you are able to remain this calm. A good friend had a problem with his Sig P365, and also had issues with customer service. I was in the market for a 10mm, several shops told me to go with the Sig, but after your issues with customer service in previous videos, I opted for a S&W, even though some reviews discussed failure to feed on the M&P. I’ve dealt with Smith & Wesson and was very happy.
I agree- I would stay clear of Sig.
Thank you for your insight and videos.
Thank you sir.😎👍
Thanks so much for the info. I’ve watched every episode so I know your telling the truth. If they took the time to watch them (which they probably did) they would know too. After your terrible experience I also will never buy a Sig product. Thanks again for the video.
Thank you sir. It's even more mind boggling knowing they watched the videos and still tried to pass this off.
Great job man! You making videos like this will make every other manufacturer really take there customer service seriously. I've always liked sig but this makes me think twice about buying there products for sure. They should be fighting for us, not against us.
Appreciate that. Really is a shame they handled it like this, but there are plenty of other places to give money to.🤷♂️
Thank you so much for the time and effort you put towards this gun. I am a huge fan of Sig guns but has never dealt with the company. It sounds like they need to do some house cleaning.
I was really hoping that I would hear that they had resolved the issues with this firearm. It could have potentially been an awesome product. Sadly, it doesn't sound like they are even serious about addressing it.
Great job working through it all.
Appreciate that. Definitely a shame how it ended up.
Thanks for walking us thru this process! Poor customer service and charging a hefty price for their products doesn't sit well with me! There are so many other choices on the market. Thanks Tools
Appreciate you!
Great ending video tools , hate you went through this nonsense. I was wanting one of these until I watched your video on the leading. You are the reason I own 4 tx22’s 😂 best 22 pistol out there . Looking forward to your video on the new tx22 compact thanks for what you do !!
Thank you sir. Gonna get out Tuesday and run the new TX.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargetsThats sad that a big time company screws over their customers. And probably would have gotten away with it, but they ran into you. Thanks for the heads up, I’ll not be a customer of theirs. By the way, your responsible for me owning the Taurus TX22 love that gun. Now for the Competition model with the muzzle brake is my next one. Thank you for all you do neighbor.
@@alcantrell5340 Thank you sir. Just got in from testing out the TX22 Compact.👍👍
Glad you made this video, not going to say there is a problem at Sig, or Springfield for that matter, but the chance of me purchasing anything from either manufacturer is significantly lower than it was a year ago.
At least there isn't a lack of choices in guns.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets and I think I have decided to go with a "new" but "old" name.
Yeah this is definitely a racket for sure. I'm starting to deal with the same issue with XS Sights right now. I've had 2 sets of glock sights of their's replaced due to rusting within a couple weeks of carrying the gun, and now I've got a 3rd set that has rusted. It's getting ridiculous and they are getting more and more reluctant to replace them, so we'll see what happens I guess
Good to know.😎👍
Good god!! I thought this was resolved. That’s sucks Brutha, keep your head up 🤘🏻
It is now thank goodness!😎👊
@@ToolsandTargets All that... just to end up right back where you started. You shouldn't give up though. Buy a new one and start over. Maybe you'll have a good experience this time. lol.
I know how frustrating it is dealing with gun issues. While I am absolutely certain you are having this issue, I have to say that I’ve put 2050 rounds of Norma 22lr with only swabbing the barrel after every 500 rounds without any issues what so ever. I hope you will keep us posted on the saga. I wish you the best of luck in this endeavor.
Nothing left to post now. This is the end of it. I have my money back, they have that trash gun back, and I don't want anything else from em.😎👍
Wonder how someone at Sig convinced the USPS to mangle your check. That must cost extra 'postage'.
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Michael probably has a relative that works at the Post Orifice (you know, the hole you put the mail in : )
Get 'em!! Glad it's finally resolved for ya dude!!
Appreciate ya!😎👊
I too had problems with Sig on a different issue. I was not happy with their "warranty" service which cost me $50.00 for no apparent resolution of the initial problem. Glad I saw your video on the 322. I was tempted to purchase one but not anymore! Thanks for the update. I thought that kind of stuff just happened to me!
It really is a shame that you have to fight to get what you pay for.
I like the p365 family but stories like this definitely give me second thoughts about buying from Sig in the future. Maybe all that army money went to their head. Kind of what happened with Colt in the past.
Exactly!
Yeah now that cz absorbed colt but have colts old management running the show the same thing is happening to cz.
Yep, and now Colt is a shadow of themselves compared to back then.
Appreciate you letting us know Brother , sorry you had a crap experience with sig , ill definitely stick with Ruger and Taurus for handguns !!
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Sad to see Sig fail so bad. Thank you for your candor and spreading awareness.
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I'm glad I seen this video because I was about to buy one. Thanks for the video.
I will definitely think twice about buying a Sig Sauer in the future. It’s unfortunate because I like their products as a whole. However, the risk of having a problem can happen and I wouldn’t want to have to go through what you did. I have followed this saga from start to finish and 100% agree that had you not had your channel, not have been so firm, and not have the firearm knowledge that you have they would have basically made you accept the gun as it was. The worst part is that it’s truly a dangerous issue and the Smith&Wesson 22 compact that I have is so I could teach my 12 year old daughter how to shoot and handle a simi-auto handgun. Not a good situation for a child if it were to have a catastrophic failure or anyone for that matter. We aren’t talking about sights falling off here. This was a new gun, with you being the from the factory only owner and they wouldn’t just make it right and replace the firearm. There are companies like Ruger who don’t care if you are the 50th owner; they will make whatever your problem is right. It’s sad because it’s not that hard to stand behind your products. What it really seems to be is a company culture issue at the heart and that is normally ingrained.
Agreed. I can tell with 100% certainty that this is business as usual for them, which honestly doesn't even surprise me.
I may have to change my next purchase to exclusively Ruger, Glock, Smith, Kimber, heck even Taurus.
Sig thinks they're on a different level and for me they are, just not in the direction they think.
@Tools&Targets I hear you on that. Taurus is frequently talked down on and I have heard people do have a bad experience with them but my experience with them has been they will do it until it's right within a reasonable time frame.
Tools I'd love to see a 22wmr revolver test with Hornady 30grain V-Max. I've searched and haven't found a video showing that cartridge outta a snubby.
I feel your pain. At least you got it resolved in less than a year. I bought one of the first runs of the Taurus TX22 with the poorly made barrel that leaded up with less 100 rounds. They did not want the pistol back, they admitted there were problems with the batch of barrels. They stated call back later we are working on the problem. Finally I got to get on the waiting list as a new company was making the barrel. I got on the waiting list, a month later a friend of mine got on the waiting list. Six weeks later his barrel showed up in the mail, I called and complained. The people Taurus had no clue nor could care less why I had not received by barrel yet. About two months I got my new barrel. It seems when they got the new improved barrels in, only a small lot of them were going to customers with the bad barrels, the rest were going to the production line for new pistols. You would think they would have taken care of customers with problems first. Sig usually does not admit they have problems with any of their firearms. Just like the first run of the 365s, luckily they snatched most of those back up from the wholesalers before they were shipped to gun stores. I thought about buying one of those P322, but I remembered the Mosquitos that my friends purchased years ago. I figure I would wait a while before buying one. Thanks for posting this video.
Nothing worse than bad service with a gun.😣
@@ToolsandTargets No truer words! I have sent over 10 revolvers back to Smith and Wesson over 40 plus years for repairs and recalls. Most took a couple weeks or less, one took a month. Took over year on a recall of a Colt. I had a broken extractor on a Glock19 back in 90's. The regional distributor is local. Problem settled in minutes.
Wow! I'm on my second Sig, a X-Ten, i had a p320xf carry previously, that I had zero issues with but I traded it for a Beretta 92x RDO Compact. I hope my X-Ten remains trouble free, so far so good about 300 rounds threw it.
Thanks for sharing your experience, I have been concidering a p365xl for summer carry and I will research a bit more. Again thanks for sharing!
I will say I haven't had a single issue from the 365 I own.
I said this on your live stream last night. I hope that lena miculek sees this and tells sig to fly a kite. She dosent need to be involved with a company like that.
Pffft, That payday is way too fat.
@@ToolsandTargets any other company would take her on in a split second.
I really think a lot of it has to do with that fact that sig is so focused on government contracts that they really couldn't give a shit about regular customers. It took them months to make xten magazines available and when they finally did they didn't have enough to keep them in stock for more than a few days.
I think you're right on.
@@ToolsandTargets Sig has turned into Colt! I for one will never buy a new release gun from Sig. I’ll let everyone else be their beta testers.
Thanks for documenting all this, it's enough to cancel an order on a P322 (especially since an FN 502 is available locally). I'm surprised when I was researching that I didn't stumble on your videos.
I bought a Taurus TX22 compact hundreds through it, eats everything.no problems other than ammo related.good job,and thanks for showing us how they lie.hate all that happened,you have more patience than me.
Wow unreal!! Glad I went with the taurus tx 22, it's a great pistol except for the sight.
Definitely the right pick.
THANK YOU TOOL SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO .... !!!!! I GOT RID OF THE WHITE BOX'S WINCHESTER AMMO ... !!!!! YOU TALKED ME OUT OF BUYING THIS JUNK .... !!!!! DOUBLE G. HERE .... !!!!!!!
Appreciate you, brother!😎👊
@@ToolsandTargets THANKS AGAIN GG
I can feel your frustration. Great video.
Such a headache.😆
Thanks for the update tools. I will stay with my p17. Stay warm.
Thank you sir.😎👊
I have heard many terrible customer service stories from Sig and H&K. I do not plan to own either unless I come across a deal I can't refuse. But actually looking for a new one, no. Every company has frustrated a customer here and there but some companies seem to have reputations for it. Seems as if certain companies only want to give good customer service to government agencies. I have a Ruger MKIII Hunter in 22lr. It starts to malfunction after about 700-1000 rounds. And the problem is residue buildup in the action. Easy fix. 22s do lead up but no where near as bad as the picture you showed in this video. I can hear the frustration in your voice. You seem to be an easy going person based on your other videos. Glad you got your money back man.
I actually had to deal with hk service a couple years ago and it was excellent in my case. Got my item back less than a week after sending it in. Maybe i just got lucky.
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👍
Sorry to hear that your SIG experience was horrible. I'm glad you're done with them especially after everything that you've gone through. It's a shame that they over hyped, beta test on their customers, and provide excellent sorry customer service. I don't blame you for your video presentation, but at least we as your viewers and range gang members know you're being truthful. You don't let us down. You're the man Tools! Let no one tell you otherwise. Thank you for all you do. ♠️🎩🎱🇺🇲🏁🎯🇺🇦🔱🌻🌼🌸💮🏵️🏴☠️🏹
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So so glad I watched your video on this cause you just made up my mind not to buy one for sure !!
Thank You for taking your time to post !!!
Tools, that little video will cost Sig a hell of a lot more money than they cost you.
Which is a good thing💪
They'll just suck up some more of our money on the back end from tax money funneled through our crooked govt.
@@ToolsandTargets yowza!
Good lord!! That was an absolute fiasco! How stupid do they think people are? I’m glad you stayed on them like you did. I can’t believe when you got the check it was all ripped up 😮. Salt in the wound. Now I can’t wait to see your video showing them how a .22 should run. 👍🇺🇸
I've wondered that several times through this mess. You can tell they are used to dealing with a lot of very ignorant people.
Sorry for you we have the same in france ... Thank you for this info.
Thank you. Appreciate you watching!😎👍
Thank goodness for these videos. I came very close to buying a P 322 this week. Really liked the idea of 20 rounds and the reputation of Sig!
The second I opened that envelope and seen the check I’d went straight to the post office oh no no that crap wouldn’t fly with me. I’d drove to the Sig plant if I’d had to.
I just about lost it thinking about having to deal with them again.
Good luck dealing with the Government 🤣
Well now this was a interesting and it's just horrible the way that you were treated and the experience that you had overall with the p322. However I still stand by my p322 and I have fired probably 3500 rounds of all different types of ammo through mine. I do not even clean mine as often as I should and I will guarantee you there is no leading issues with mine whatsoever.
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Thank you for your follow through. You literally gave them every chance to fix it. Really makes you hesitant to believe in them. So sorry you had to endure this BS but thanks for documenting the process. I'm sure other people are having the same problem.
Also, my boys both have a Taurus TX22 and they both have easily 5,000 rounds each since 2019, shot a shit ton of lead nose and NEVER had a leaded barrel. Just fwiw..
When the Canik MC9 comes out, you should get rid of the 365 for it lol. I'm definitely getting one
Appreciate that.
Yep, TX22 is a fantastic gun.
Already told my local shop to hold one when they get em.😎👍
Good video sir sorry for all the junk you had to go through
Thank you sir.
It makes me a little sad to watch this. Many years ago, I don't remember how many. But more than thirty five, I bought a P220 and thought it was one of the finest guns in my collection, and it was. After somewhere around 30 to 35 thousand rounds, it broke. As of now, I can't remember what part broke, but a few other parts were quite worn. I called Sig and they had me send it back to them. They told me that they ran it through their custom shop, repaired it, and to my disbelief, it was an even better gun than it was when new. It cost me $128.00. plus shipping. That was maybe 7-8 years ago. Quite frankly, I haven't seen anything they have had on the market that I like for many years. But I will always cherish this P220. It is still my favorite hand gun. Sad to think that their customer service has gone that way.
Sad to see how some great companies turn into just another one trying to empty your pockets.
I can't blame them... Its probably annoying trying to deal with petty problems leading in 22 barrels when you still have P320's firing by themselves while holstered and Cross bolt-actions hang firing until you touch the bolt handle to extract the round and then *BOOM*
Sig thanks you for participating in their streamlined testing and evaluation process.
I will NEVER buy a new Sig.
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Yeah Nutnfancy reported the issues with the Cross and he reported that Sig accused him of messing with the trigger in a staff meeting. 🤔🤦🏼♂️
Thanks for the information
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You're the sole reason I haven't purchased a Sig P322 (and won't be doing so). Thank you, and keep up the good work!
Appreciate you!
They only care about their govt contracts now. Glad you got this settled. 🇺🇸
Facts.
I’m actually surprised, I thought Sig would… Never Settle
100% Appreciate ya, brother!
@@KennyRodgers930 I figured they would. But I didnt think it would take this long.
@@rjw261984 It was a play on their company slogan lol I’m happy it did get resolved though, in a way fitting to the whole experience 😂