🟢Don't miss the clip towards the end of how this was resolved. 🟢I got a call back and they have agreed to refund my purchase amount and take the gun back. I'll keep y'all updated on that process.👍👍
Finished the video, they should of went right for the refund instead of the BS of asking you to take it out and run more 22 through it. Him promising it’s fixed means nothing after the BS you went through. Glad it’s getting resolved, keep your head up and thanks for all the 411 🤘🏻
I'm glad to hear you are getting a refund and got this resolved😀 Having patients is the key as well as keeping calm under stress and pressure! You handled it very good!!
When I restored my dad's Nylon 66 it had been shot for more than 30 years without ever once being cleaned, and the barrel had less lead-fouling than that gun after 40 rounds lol. If you haven't watched any of the older videos in this saga, check it out, because you should see how freaking bad that barrel gets after a couple hundred rounds. It's downright dangerous....
@@ToolsandTargets If I were SIG I think I would have had it rebored and blue printed before returning it to you AGAIN, much less sending it back dirty. If I were still in the Stock Market, I'd dump this Stock.
@@tedcollins4684 Yeah I'm currently struggling with that issue right now since my father has passed, that gun is still hanging on the wall and I feel like it's too soon to ask my stepmom, but I know one of hers is gonna walk away with it.
I would be flipping out. Your way more patient than me. I send it back once I expect it to be fixed! I truly hate to hear/see this about sig bc I have quite a few. But glad to see they refunded
I’m glad you are being reimbursed and getting rid of that P.O.S . Sad thing is you are not the only UA-cam channel showing this same issue with this model. I personally don’t see myself buying a sig in the future. Seems like every new model they produce goes out into the hands of the public with issues. I guess the only positive from your experience is it’s no longer is your headache. Sorry for your bad luck but congratulations on being done with it.
My one friend has been having a lot of issues with his Sig 322 as well. He’s having same customer service issues of guns coming back with problem not fixed.
This model will probably be to Sig what the R51 was to Remington. It’s probably best to shut down the production now to prevent any further damage to their reputation.
Great job T&T. You handled it firmly, patiently, and professionally. Sig should know its better business to offer to take back a problem item early, rather than let it get this far gone and anger the customer - especially a UA-cam channel customer !
That's ridiculous for any company to send back a product to a customer in that condition. I hate that you had to go through this hassle bro, but it's cool to know they finally got you taken care of. Thanks for taken us along with you on this trip sir✊
That just SUCKS!!!. I’m sorry to see you go through this. Mine leaded up on the first time I took it to the range also. I had seen your video so I was on the lookout for the issue. Thank God you had your video cause I’m newer to guns and honestly I would have never known. I’d probably still be shooting it in a (like you said) unsafe condition. I cleaned mine. very well and went back to the range and the same thing happened. Also please don’t take offense to this, I’m glad you got your money back but there are hundreds, maybe thousands of us that have the same issue and we’re not going to get squat because we don’t have a UA-cam channel. I’m not mad at you Sir, I’m mad at Sig. I was waiting to see how your service ended up. I’m not going to send mine back and forth several times either. Like I said, I’m new to guns but I knew the Sig Sauer name and when it came time to get a pistol I choose Sig. Never again….Sig SUCKS, JUST SUCKS! I’m so upset about this. $400 is a lot of money and a big disappointment. Thanks for the video and update.
I completely agree and know what you mean. He even seemed to magically have other options to check on after I mentioned making another video for thousands of people to see. That really is a shame. I'm sure I don't have to tell you to make sure you keep everything documented and don't accept anything but 100% correct or a refund.
If the guns store has a gunsmith on staff ask them about polishing the barrel for a possible improvement or resolving the leading issue. Sometimes the store is much more helpful than the manufacturer. The store want's your continued business. Sig could care less about you.
Man, I was ready to go out and pickup a P322 when I saw your first video on this. I held off, hoping to see the resolution. After seeing your second video on this gun, I just went out and bought a Taurus TX22. I have close to 800 rounds through that TX22 now (all time that you've spent without a gun) and I haven't had a single problem with it (and haven't cleaned it). It's been a great, super fun gun that I shoot almost every weekend. Thanks so much for warning me off of this lemon, and saving me from spending a whole season without a working pistol! I'm very sorry you've had this experience, but you've saved me (and I'm sure a bunch more of us) a lot of hassle!
Man! I’m sorry you had to go through this crap. Sig is on their way out. They have to be. I’ve heard other stories from other Sig owners about the runaround they get from their “service”. I don’t want to open another whole can of worms about the P320 fiasco because some people are diehard Sig fanboys out there and refuse to see the obvious. I have ZERO faith in Sig anymore.
@@ToolsandTargets Yessir. I can’t speak from personal experience because I never owned a Sig. But one of my closest friends has been a Sig Sauer shooter (almost exclusively) since the late 80’s. He had some that said SIGARMS on them. About 5 years ago he sold every last one of his Sigs. Of which I know he had many. He said they sure aren’t what they used to be. He’s now a S&W guy. I even turned him on to my Canik Elite Combat and newly acquired Rival. He said they slayed the Sigs he had bought the last 10 to 15 years. I hate sounding like I’m bashing a company but I hate it when any company treats their customers, especially experienced customers like they are newbies and don’t know what they’re talking about. Sorry for the long response.
Sig has government contracts now, the products for the public have much less quality from what I see. My new s&w revolver broke after 26 shots, and still has not been repaired and returned after a month. I would like a refund becuase I will never trust it.
@@ToolsandTargets My doctor friend that got me into Canik’s (he shoots competitively IDPA) bought a Rival. He let me shoot it. I ordered it the next day! 😂
Thank you for sticking with it and holding SIG accountable. Seems lots of other channels did their review and didn't want to upset the sponsor so just let it go or glossed over it, even though its a bad design.
Not going to lie; I’m a big Sig Fan. However, you are the reason I haven’t even considered purchasing this firearm. Thank you for everything you do for the firearms community.
Sigs are overpriced junk these days.. Plenty examples of multiple problems with multiple models.. Plus their customer service is horrible, as shown here.. Sig fanbois are always in denial
Thank you for showing the truth on this . I noticed other channels do not tell you exactly the truth cause most are sent the gun free and most will not talk bad about it. So glad you are showing this . Thank you so much !!!!!
@@ToolsandTargets You being speechless would be the ultimate bad review. If you do not get an immediate refund, just put up a video with text and a funeral dirge in the background.
Sorry to see this series end without a resolution from Sig. I have a Walthers Colt 1911 with the same issue. Been back to the factory twice and I finally gave up. Decided to pick up a Sig P322 and so far, no issues. I was concerned after I saw your video, but so far with 250 rounds of 10 different types of ammo, the barrel is clean. There’s got to be an answer, maybe the type of steel in some of the barrels, but to see this on two different gun manufactures is curious. It would be great if Sig finally figured it out and sent you an update so you could add it to this topic.
Glad yours is good. Seems to be that most are, but people usually want to focus on the bad. Can't blame people for being pissed though if they're having problems with SIG's terrible service. It's one thing for an unexpected problem... but an entirely different thing to have the problem be continuous, especially when they have to spend their own time and money sending it in and getting it back unfixed. (Unusual that "new" barrels are still bad too).
Who ever is making the barrels are letting them get off the manufacturing process without any inspection of quality control. You had way more self control dealing with them than I would. I appreciate you testing one them because I was seriously looking to buy one. I am glad I went with the taurus. I actually bought it because the sig was unavailable at the time...thanks
Thank you for putting up such HONEST and informative videos. I agree with you that SIG ought to make this right. By all accounts, they don't even admit there is a issue with the lead fouling at all. Best of luck with the return/refund.
I have a TX22 also and it's been great, but my friend had to send his TX22 back for leading 4 TIMES! He has not had a chance to shoot it much since he got it back, so we will see.
First off I'm pissed for you!! 1:46 SIG didn't even address the led issue but described no failures to feed,fire, extract,eject problems and like you said had nothing to do with the work order. I will continue the video now.... OMG man of course they want you to send it again.... I think you are right doing what you're doing here bud I wouldn't want to deal with it either!! Glad you got the refund starting!
I’m baffled why this even happens! Whether it’s a crooked barrel or too small of a bore, I don’t know. I was hoping it would be a winner, but after seeing your experience I’ll be passing on this gun. I’m sorry you have to deal with this mess! Good Luck Tools 🍋
I’m thinking the chambers are good but the end of the barrels are tapered down some how. Almost like they are using a worn out reaming to to cut the barrel. I’ve seen it in AR-15 chambers before due to that issue. This is reversed.
Hopefully you get your $$$back! I won’t be buying anything from them! I feel for the others having this problem. I think your UA-cam channel helped you out. I doubt the average guy would get any help.
@@thatoldyankeesguy It’s one of the best unless you happen to be one of the people who bought a firearm that’s junk. You carry or purchase what pleases you. As for me no sig products!
Man, I love my sig's and have never had any issues with mine, but that was absurd what you had to go through!!!!! I will definitely think twice before buying another sig.
I carried a department issue P229 on duty for years, it was a very reliable weapon. When the first gen of P320 was released, I was ready to buy one until all the problems started popping up and Sig treated the customers the same way they're treating this poor guy. They released the P365 a short time later and the same thing. There are too many good guns on the market these days for me to take a crap shoot with Sig products.
Sig had a golden opportunity to get all us Taurus customers with bad barrels to buy the P322. Not going to happen until they publicly admit to it and make the necessary changes. We all know that's never going to happen. They should be ashamed of themselves for putting out 3rd world quality @ $100 more than the competing brand! Disgusting.
Thank you for making this video. It's important to see how a company handles issues. We get to listen to tubers all the time we know have a dog in the hunt with regards to keeping the manufacturers happy. My cheap TX 22 has only needed a few cleanings in over a thousand rounds and runs great. I really wanted to buy the SIG P365 in 380 acp but with the issues some customers are having with FTE . FTF and now seeing how their customer service is I'm going to hold off.
wow what does that say about Sig, it's crazy that they would send that back. knowing that you had the videos of it all. I own one Sig it's a m18 and honestly I don't care much for it. You need to put these on blast Sig should be ashamed. Sorry for all of your problems with that. Appreciate all of your videos keep them coming 👍.
Love my M18 and P365. Both solid, reliable, and accurate. Even owning 2 TX22's I was excited about the 322 until this series of videos. Especially now that I've seen how the internals look (not using a standard FCU, etc) forget it. Not even remotely worth the risk.
I agree, I had a p320 several years ago and the frame looked like it was made of cheap plastic. And it shot like crap. I sold it and got a CZ P10. I still carry it to this day.
OMG!! ‘Like sand through the hour glass, so our The Days of our Lives’!! ‘As the (Sig) World Turns’!! Geez, not sure I’d be willing to spend my hard earned money on a Sig, based on what I’ve learned from your experiences!! Hopefully you’ll just get your money back!! Ridiculous!! Thank you for sharing my friend! Hopefully this to shall finally come to a successful conclusion for you! Let us know what the final outcome truly is! Stay safe!!🇺🇸👍🏻
Thanks for the video. I was considering the P322 as a potential replacement for a couple of Glock G44s that have major issues with failure to eject. 2 new G44s in Kate November and one has been back to Glock and most internal parts were replaced but still having some ejection problems regardless of the dozen different rounds we have shot. The other G44 is currently back to Glock for a second time, first time they said it was fine, since it’s still fails to eject properly about 15% of the time AND we had some leading in the barrel too where we couldn’t get the bore brush all the way through. Sent all ammo tests and rounds fired shot by shot. About 2000 rounds through each gun but based on your video I will not replace it with a sig.
Hate to hear that. I never did pick up a 44. I finally got the refund check for this Sig a couple weeks ago. Their "customer service" is even worse than the gun was.
Wow, you are patient man. I would have completely lost it. Happy to hear it is resolved ( pending the refund). Very disappointing you had to go through so much with a company I always thought was a stand-up organization. Makes me think twice about it. Thank you again for your videos
I know this video is over a year old now but I wanted to comment. I feel for you - you paid good money for a functional gun. I’ve seen the other vids and follow ups and see you’ve got rid of the gun now - so at least you’ve got a resolution. I’m still curious what the issue could be. Replacing the barrel should have fixed the issue. It can’t be that all the barrels are bad. It seems there is only a subset of guns with the issue. I can appreciate the frustration. My 322 doesn’t exhibit this behavior and I’ve let it go to 1000 rds before cleaning it and it didn’t experience and such lead fouling or plugging. It remained perfectly functional and accurate shooting many brands/types of ammo - automatch, blazer, cci, subsonic, supersonic , copper washed or plain lead - no issues. I don’t know how there’s such a huge discrepancy between perfectly functional 322’s and ones that lead up. I don’t deny that the leading exists but I can’t get my head around how some get leaded and some don’t. That this gun had the barrel replaced and still had the issue seems super unlucky.
I was going to buy one until what happened to you, I’ll just stick with the TX22 .... no issues at all through a few thousand rounds of various brand and quality ammo.
@@stephen_crumley 2nd the fn.... the little 22 is tack driver I got tx22 n p17 buddy has the fn... if I wanted I'd buy one but mine run whatever I throw at them for way less$$$ lol
You were most definitely more patient than me...happy at least you got your money back !!! For what it's worth, I'm not in the market for a new 22 lr but, if I was I know what brand to NOT buy !!!!
I'm going to go to the safe and tell my Taurus TX .22 how much I love it after seeing what you went through. I was considering buying a Sig P322, but I'll definitely pass now. I do own 3 Sigs: M18, P320 X Pro & P365 and will admit I've not had one issue with the centerfires.
There will be no future Sig purchases for me! This has really opened my eyes! If they can't even solve an issue of barrel replacement.... I have no faith in them as a manufacturer! Not to mention the problems and now lawsuits involving the P320 Sig has somehow lost their way!
I have a P322. I have shot a couple of hundred round through it with no issue. Nonetheless, it is clear there is a big issue with this gun. I completely understand why he is furious, I would be, too.
That's crazy, I've sent my P365 in for failures to return to battery and they polished the breach of the chamber and replaced the striker housing and it hasn't had issues again. It went from Idaho to New Hampshire back to Idaho in half a week.
Glad to hear youre getting a refund. im not a big sig fan and after seeing your experience with this gun, it may shy me away from the brand indefinitely. all i ever bought from them was a p365 and it was a little after they came out cuz at the time of launch they were having issues (no surprise).
that is crazy that you got it back with lead already in the barrel from sig's testing. even crazier for sig to tell you not to believe your own eyes and to just clean it and take it out and fire it because it's fixed when plainly it was returned with the same problem from their testing. having been there and done that with sig on a completely different model and problem I notice it is in their playbook to say their product is perfect and the problem is with you. isn't it odd that 99% of what they do is good that they allow that 1% to earn so much hate for their brand.
Had similar problems. Taurus Spectrum sent back 4X before being replaced by Taurus. I had to drive to FedEx and had range and ammo fees to test each time. Then a few weeks ago I bought a Ruger Wrangler and it jammed. Sent to Ruger and returned in a week. When it came back right out of the box when the gun was cocked it screached and squeaked loudly. I called them on the phone and they heard it and said needs to come back so not checked properly before it was sent back. Again now I had to drive to UPS and then FedEx the second time, also ammo the first time and range fee. Don't know what is going on with these gun companies and their repair practices. I now await to see if it comes back repaired. Glad they are refunding you for your gun. I also sent you an email, which you might want to review.
I have run thousands of round through the TX22 I have. I've gone a thousand rounds without even cleaning the thing and never had a speck of lead build up.
ITS TOO BAD WHAT YOU HAD TO GO THRU TO GET THE PROBLEM SOLVED. I' M GLAD IN WORKED OUT GOOD FOR YOU IN THE END, YOU DID A GOOD JOB THROUGHOUT ALL THAT MESS.
@@ToolsandTargets I have to admit that neither did mine but I received it, cleaned & lubed it, took it to the range the next day, the trigger was hit or miss on the reset and the slide was not locking back on an empty mag. Sent it back to SCCY the same day. According to SCCY it should be on its way back in about a week.
I was in a gunsmithing shop , baties custom gun works probably 20 years ago.a customer three days before bought a new bull barrel Ruger 22 .he brought it back and the barrel was so full of lead you could only see a tiny speck of light through it and if I remember correctly he had shot only 100+150 rounds in it and bought the ammunition there with the gun. I watched the gunsmith getting the lead out with a high pressure air hose attachment. it was amazing. papa
@Default Name i own a browning 1911/22and have several thousand rounds through it and it has never leaded up and I have never had to deal with customer service. I'm going to consider other options with the troubles they are having with this and the 320, best to steer clear at this point.
Picked up a new p322 in coyote brown this weekend, and love this gun. I put 400 rounds through it , 200 unsuppressed and 200 suppressed, not a one single ftf, and the barrel is not leaded at all. Maybe it's hit and miss, but I'm thinking it's a new production pistol and they've worked out the bugs.
Sorry you had this experience! Thanks for sharing. The Taurus TX22 is sounding pretty good right now. I hear their customer service is getting better too.
@@ToolsandTargets are you serious! I just ordered one Friday but after seeing this I’m kinda nervous. I still have the opportunity to not go through with it. Is the fouling a wide range issue or more centralized? I hope you get your money man. That sucks
I almost bought a sig. but I'm glad I didn't now. I bought a Smith & Wesson m&p shield 9 performance center instead and I'm very happy I did I've had no issues none whatsoever and I love that gun carry with me everyday sleep with it right there under my pillow hug and kiss it all the time.hahaha 🇱🇷
PS. I also purchased a Anderson lower AR-15 with binary trigger. Went to Rock Island armory and bought my upper. Not only that I purchased a thousand rounds of 223 ammo for the AR. Then I went to palmetto State armory and seen that they had semi automatic 12 gauge bull pumps on sale regularly $699.00. I bought a panzer bullpup 12 gauge with sights for 350 and I bought black Ace ammunition 12 gauge double up buck and 12 gauge 1 oz slugs two and three quarter inch 500 rounds I also purchased 500 rounds of 9 mm from cheaper than dirt have a nice day everybody I will.hahaha!"""🇱🇷
Amazing. I bought a P322 and the first time I ran it, I ran 300 rounds no lead issue. Cleaned it and ran 600 rounds no Issues. I don't understand were this real issue lies. My Serial # is 46XXX. The only issues I have had is 3 ammo primer failures. Hopefully Sig figures this out, customer deserve better.
My Grandfather has one we have put about 1.5k through so far with no leading issues. The ones that work are great & the ones that don't seem to be unsaveable
Yeah, maybe they will. I suspect you'll never hear anything about what the actual problem is though. I would also be willing to bet that there are far more people having this problem than are letting it be known.
@@ToolsandTargets No question about it being a major issue in a certain run of barrels or other components causing this issue. It is very disappointing how customer service and the service department handled this documented issue. I happened to pick mine up after I saw your first video and had some confidence that Sig internally acknowledged this issue and resolved it. I happen to love this gun due to the cost savings on practicing at the range compared to 9mm.The P322 has similar grip angle as my P320's. It does not phase me financially to practice with 300 rounds of 22LR. Where as 9mm it is hard to shot more than 150 rounds in practice financially. I would hope Sig starts getting serious about Customer Service.
Goes to show that name and price has nothing to do with quality for instance I have one of the rough Rider 22 revolvers bought it new and haven't cleaned it since probably put over a thousand rounds through it and I can still hit a squirrel at 25 yards that is if I put in my part
Damn, I just bought this gun yesterday. I put a little over 200 rounds through it, and it function just fine. I then looked up some reviews about this gun before I started to clean the gun, and saw all these leading barrel complaints. That definitely starting getting me worried. I cleaned the gun, and I didn't notice any problem with the barrel. Hopefully this doesn't become an issue for me 🤞
@@blah6822 update, I've now put 3k rounds of federal through it. Runs like a champ, has the occasional light primer strike as with all .22 I clean it after every use, and the barrel is still mint
@@ToolsandTargets I imagine they are playing tight-lipped because they just won huge military contracts and they don't want to admit that they have a serious QC issue of any kind. Almost makes me wonder if they care at all about everyday consumers when they have the huge military contracts to fulfill. Chances are... nope!
I spent about 10-years as a customer service rep (non gun related), both taking calls & calling on customers directly. If I had let a problem go on as long as yours have, I would have been fired. After seeing how you were treated, I would never consider spending my money for any Sig product.
I feel for you. I had to send back to Norma 1,200 rounds of 308 that was under recall half of it in factory boxes and half of it not. It was just delivered down in Georgia today. Talk about a nightmare. Now I have to wait on replacement ammo. I have had this ammo for over 2 years so I think they were hoping most of it got shot up instead of replaced.
If the representative you just spoke to said he has the same gun and has fired thousands of rounds through it with no problem tell him to send you his Barrel
I have owned 2 of the newer sigs and both of them have had major issues. I had a P365 that disassembled itself while I was shooting it, and the M17s barrel was extremely inaccurate. I took some measurements and the chamber was out of spec(oversized by several thousandths and not concentric) and when I ran a bore scope camera through it the rifling looked like it was cut by a caveman with stone tools. Sig was extremely unpleasant to deal with and their customer service wanted me to pay for a new barrel as it was my fault that their QC was crap. I was always a fan, but not anymore. Edited to fix a mistake. I put 320 instead of 365
I am glad they are sending your money back. I saw one the other day and it looked like a nice firearm. The sells person asked me if i would like to but it and i said no,, not till the problem with leading was fixed. He looked real strange at me like i knew nothing. Thank you for the update.
@@ToolsandTargets yea I didn’t get that far. Just the very start of it. Just now making it back to finish it up. Was at dinner with my in laws during my first attempt. I hate that it didn’t work out for you. Maybe when they get everything ironed out you can give another one a try. I got lucky with mine. I had one of the first p365 and I had bad luck with it. It was peening/ deforming the barrel hood bad under the slide.
I was dead set on picking up a P322. I searched UA-cam for some accessory and magazine upgrades when I found these videos. I'm seriously looking at the Taurus Tx22 and FN502 instead. I'm not spending money on junk. Thanks
TOOL .. !!!! YOU ARE A NICE MAN ... !!!!!! I WOULD BECOME A FIRE BREATHING DRAGON .... !!!!!!! THERE EARS WOULD BE BURNING ... !!!!!!! THEY WOULD BE CALLING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT .... !!!!!!!!!! 😡🤬👹 DOUBLE G. HERE ... !!!!!!!
Great job sir! Glad you took a stand! I've seen there attitude many times! They want our money but when its a problem they get attitudes! Shame on you sig!!
Man. This is terrible. I'm looking to buy my first gun so I've been watching a ton of your vids and learning a lot. I've settled on getting a .22 as a first gun and this SiG was (past tense) on my potential list. Thanks for documenting all this...very inciteful and useful info as being a newb, the only thing I know about SiG is from playing counterstrike back in the day. Sorry you're having so many problems with this SiG.
Appreciate that. You may get one that's absolutely fine, but then you could also get this. I have to agree with the other replies, the TX22 is a fantastic option.
Heck go run a bulk pack through it then send it back lol! Sorry that didn't work out I was sure hoping they could fix it for you, it does look like a sweet little 22! Just got a TX22 ran about 300 rds through it so far but it's a champ and was under 300 out the door! I'm tickled with it! I would be so disappointed if I bought a Sig and that happened! What a nightmare!
Extremely disappointing not only in the way customer service handled it with so much resistance to what you wanted but also in the overall inability for their technical team to solve the issue, an issue that is downright dangerous. Guarantee they have lost more in future purchases from people viewing this experience than they were trying to save in having this process continue. Without having owned one I have always held them in high regard but I can no longer do so and this brand has to be removed from consideration going forward.
Thank you for documenting this. That customer service is so bad! I've had better customer service from strictly import companies whose profit margins are very slim unlike Sig who are making more than enough money on their guns. The fact that they're quibbling over a few hundred bucks is completely asinine.
What a horrible, unfunny joke. I will not be purchasing a new Sig until the company takes the appropriate steps to PROPERLY repair your P322 (as well as the multiple others which have the same issue) or buy it back. They have a known issue, so at this point it appears that their strategy is to just keep pretending they are actually doing something until the folks who have bad ones just get tired of dealing with them and "go away". Not a sound plan, especially with social media being as ubiquitous as it is. If you don't have one, I highly recommend grabbing a KelTec P17. Ugly plastic cheapness that is the most fun pewpew I own...accurate, great trigger, surprisingly good sights, and the least muzzle rise I've ever experienced.
Well, as you said they did make it right in the end, but it was like pulling teeth. Just guessing, but they probably had a run of barrels that were out of spec, but just put them out in the field, hoping all would be fine.
I just can’t believe SIG will not come clean on this issue we are seeing here. I agree with you I have shot hundreds of rounds of .22LR out of my Ruger 22/45 lite, Browning Buckmark, Walther P22, Ruger Single Six 22LR/22WMR and so on. Sure they get dirty and need cleaned but never a leading issue such as this. You should not have to go to that extreme to get clarity and results from SIG. Hope to see you get your refund.There-is just no way that P322 should be leading up like that after so few rounds. And that comment about the rear sight damage was un-called for. Almost seems to me they were pushing back a little thinking the gun was abused. I know better you are just as compassionate with your guns as I am with my own. Thanks for the huge update and let us know the final outcome. Much appreciated my friend. Be safe.⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Yeah, I figured either they were trying to say I did something to break it or one of them broke it and were just trying to cover up for themselves. It was basically brand new. I was so aggravated I forgot to even say something about it on the call.😆😆😆
@@ToolsandTargets Yeah, with all that 💩 they were shoveling you had enough on your mind just to keep the story straight. I still have a hard time with them knowing you have a really good You Tube channel and them still being in denial. We’ll have a good evening buddy. Talk to you soon!
I have that pistol. Mine seems to be ok. I get why your upset. I would have run more ammo through it….enough to show how bad the leading gets to emphasize the problem and make it very clear. Enjoy your videos!
He already did that in the original videos. That they saw. He should have done it just to make them look even more incompetent and stupid than they already made themselves look. If that's even possible.
What’s crazy is I got rid of my Sig Tac ops because a R.I.P load expanded the barrel at the muzzle. Sig tired the same song and dance back & forth send backs with the third send back having an engineer telling me you need a barrel 😵💫😵💫 no 💩 that’s why you have it!!! Unfortunately I’ll never buy a Sig product again.
Much thanks for your review and follow up regarding the Sig Sauer P322 leading and customer service issues. Based on your work and that of Nutnfancy, I canceled my order for a SS P322 and am buying a Taurus TX22 Competition instead. I will now have three Taurus' in firearms inventory and no Sig Saurers.
I just bought one a few weeks ago. I put 100 rounds of Thunderbolt ammo through it and other then a few failures to feed no leading. After seeing your video I put another 150 rounds of Aguila 40gr bulk ammo through it and I had about 3 failures to feed but no leading. I'm gonna leave the gun dirty and see what happens after I dump the rest of the 500 round bulk pack of Aguilas.
Too bad, but thanks for keeping us updated.......it is a real fun gun at the range....have had no real issues with it, after initial break-in.........taken it out 4 times and over 2000 rounds........I clean it thoroughly after every trip to the range and lube it generously.......I found the CCI standard velocity to work flawlessly...........my first two magazines I shot did have some loading/firing issues, but after that flawless........I used 20 rounds of Winchester and that ammo created the only 4 misfires I have had during first time at the range.......
It's unbelievable the crap you went through. I have owned a few Sigs and only have a 226 now. All mine are 20 years or more old. I will not buy a Sig from the 365 issues, then the 320 and now this one. Sig fan boys will stick with them but it only takes a few lemons and customers will not come back. At least I won't. Take care and thanks for showing this info is much needed
WOW! Well if that don't chap yer hide, I don't know what will! It may not be the experience every P322 owner has, but what's that got to do with it? Plus as others have said in comments on your other videos, and as other UA-camrs have documented, you're not alone in seeing inordinate amounts of leading in a P322 barrel. And how many barrels were put on your gun? Two additional barrels besides the original? And they all had the same problem? Sorry you had to go through this, Brian, but I'm definitely steering clear of *this* gun. Thanks for all you do, man!
I bought a Taurus TX22, out of the box, didn't clean it, over 700 rounds through it, zero jams, zero failures, zero leading, and still haven't cleaned it. Been wanting to see where that point is where I do have to clean it lol. The fact they sent you back the barrel with lead in it and claimed they checked it is ridiculous. I can give them credit for sounding patient about it but I will add if you didn't mention you were documenting this on UA-cam with 1,000s of views I bet they wouldn't have helped. That said just like any gun sometimes you do indeed get lemons unfortunately where as others get absolute gems.
I wish that they had just told you this originally. Maybe customer service doesn't know. 22lr comes in different projectile diameters. In the US we use narrower diameter 22lr projectiles. In Europe they tend to use wider diameter 22lr projectiles. You are using a pistol designed for wide diameter projectiles with ammo that has a narrower projectile. The result is gas blow by. That's what is leading your barrel. My Sig Misquito is the same way. My Mosquito requires CCI ammunition or it won't even cycle because it needs wider diameter 22lr. I hope this was helpful.
🟢Don't miss the clip towards the end of how this was resolved. 🟢I got a call back and they have agreed to refund my purchase amount and take the gun back. I'll keep y'all updated on that process.👍👍
Finished the video, they should of went right for the refund instead of the BS of asking you to take it out and run more 22 through it. Him promising it’s fixed means nothing after the BS you went through. Glad it’s getting resolved, keep your head up and thanks for all the 411 🤘🏻
Ruger Mk4 22/45 LITE, just saying! LoL.
Given the service, I will not buy ANY kind of SIG, now. I had considered the 365 9mm, but not now.
Just use text in your next video and play this at double speed: Chopin - Marche Funèbre (Funeral March)
Im glad that they will take the gun back, you should still run a few more mags thru it and see what happens
You were way more patient then I would have been. Glad you got it handled.
Appreciate that.😎👊
I'm glad to hear you are getting a refund and got this resolved😀
Having patients is the key as well as keeping calm under stress and pressure!
You handled it very good!!
Appreciate that.😎👍
When I restored my dad's Nylon 66 it had been shot for more than 30 years without ever once being cleaned, and the barrel had less lead-fouling than that gun after 40 rounds lol.
If you haven't watched any of the older videos in this saga, check it out, because you should see how freaking bad that barrel gets after a couple hundred rounds.
It's downright dangerous....
Never seen anything like it.😣😣😣
@@ToolsandTargets If I were SIG I think I would have had it rebored and blue printed before returning it to you AGAIN, much less sending it back dirty. If I were still in the Stock Market, I'd dump this Stock.
My father had one too. It was very accurate. I learned to shoot with it. I wish that I had it.
@@tedcollins4684 Yeah I'm currently struggling with that issue right now since my father has passed, that gun is still hanging on the wall and I feel like it's too soon to ask my stepmom, but I know one of hers is gonna walk away with it.
@@JohnLloydScharf I couldn't believe it.
I would be flipping out. Your way more patient than me. I send it back once I expect it to be fixed! I truly hate to hear/see this about sig bc I have quite a few. But glad to see they refunded
Yeah, I love my P365 so this really sucks. Appreciate the support, my friend!
I’m glad you are being reimbursed and getting rid of that P.O.S . Sad thing is you are not the only UA-cam channel showing this same issue with this model. I personally don’t see myself buying a sig in the future. Seems like every new model they produce goes out into the hands of the public with issues. I guess the only positive from your experience is it’s no longer is your headache. Sorry for your bad luck but congratulations on being done with it.
My one friend has been having a lot of issues with his Sig 322 as well. He’s having same customer service issues of guns coming back with problem not fixed.
Appreciate that. It'll be a relief when it is all done.
@@jw-sigp2258 Both you and @Tools&Targets need to call @Washington Gun Law !!!! 🤣🤣⚖⚖
This model will probably be to Sig what the R51 was to Remington. It’s probably best to shut down the production now to prevent any further damage to their reputation.
Great job T&T. You handled it firmly, patiently, and professionally. Sig should know its better business to offer to take back a problem item early, rather than let it get this far gone and anger the customer - especially a UA-cam channel customer !
Appreciate that.😎👍
Time, money, and energy is all we have. Super frustrating situation. Appreciate you documenting it all. Very helpful to me as new gun owner.
Thank you sir. Definitely not a good experience.
That's ridiculous for any company to send back a product to a customer in that condition. I hate that you had to go through this hassle bro, but it's cool to know they finally got you taken care of. Thanks for taken us along with you on this trip sir✊
The whole thing is hard to believe.😆
That just SUCKS!!!. I’m sorry to see you go through this. Mine leaded up on the first time I took it to the range also. I had seen your video so I was on the lookout for the issue. Thank God you had your video cause I’m newer to guns and honestly I would have never known. I’d probably still be shooting it in a (like you said) unsafe condition. I cleaned mine. very well and went back to the range and the same thing happened. Also please don’t take offense to this, I’m glad you got your money back but there are hundreds, maybe thousands of us that have the same issue and we’re not going to get squat because we don’t have a UA-cam channel. I’m not mad at you Sir, I’m mad at Sig. I was waiting to see how your service ended up. I’m not going to send mine back and forth several times either. Like I said, I’m new to guns but I knew the Sig Sauer name and when it came time to get a pistol I choose Sig. Never again….Sig SUCKS, JUST SUCKS! I’m so upset about this. $400 is a lot of money and a big disappointment. Thanks for the video and update.
I completely agree and know what you mean. He even seemed to magically have other options to check on after I mentioned making another video for thousands of people to see. That really is a shame. I'm sure I don't have to tell you to make sure you keep everything documented and don't accept anything but 100% correct or a refund.
If the guns store has a gunsmith on staff ask them about polishing the barrel for a possible improvement or resolving the leading issue. Sometimes the store is much more helpful than the manufacturer. The store want's your continued business. Sig could care less about you.
I'm glad you stood your ground. You're correct, your time is not free and neither are the bullets ran through a crap pewpew.
Exactly!👍
So done with Sig! I'll never spend my money on another one!
This sure doesn't make me wanna rush out and buy any more.
"Evidently she values her time as nothing. I hope you dont pay her much per hour because she values time as zero" I love it!
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Man, I was ready to go out and pickup a P322 when I saw your first video on this. I held off, hoping to see the resolution. After seeing your second video on this gun, I just went out and bought a Taurus TX22. I have close to 800 rounds through that TX22 now (all time that you've spent without a gun) and I haven't had a single problem with it (and haven't cleaned it). It's been a great, super fun gun that I shoot almost every weekend.
Thanks so much for warning me off of this lemon, and saving me from spending a whole season without a working pistol!
I'm very sorry you've had this experience, but you've saved me (and I'm sure a bunch more of us) a lot of hassle!
Good choice. My TX22 has been great.
Man! I’m sorry you had to go through this crap. Sig is on their way out. They have to be. I’ve heard other stories from other Sig owners about the runaround they get from their “service”. I don’t want to open another whole can of worms about the P320 fiasco because some people are diehard Sig fanboys out there and refuse to see the obvious. I have ZERO faith in Sig anymore.
This sure left a bad taste in my mouth.
@@ToolsandTargets Yessir. I can’t speak from personal experience because I never owned a Sig. But one of my closest friends has been a Sig Sauer shooter (almost exclusively) since the late 80’s. He had some that said SIGARMS on them. About 5 years ago he sold every last one of his Sigs. Of which I know he had many. He said they sure aren’t what they used to be. He’s now a S&W guy. I even turned him on to my Canik Elite Combat and newly acquired Rival. He said they slayed the Sigs he had bought the last 10 to 15 years. I hate sounding like I’m bashing a company but I hate it when any company treats their customers, especially experienced customers like they are newbies and don’t know what they’re talking about. Sorry for the long response.
@@TheAxe4Ever I've been tempted to trade my SFx towards a Rival.
Sig has government contracts now, the products for the public have much less quality from what I see.
My new s&w revolver broke after 26 shots, and still has not been repaired and returned after a month. I would like a refund becuase I will never trust it.
@@ToolsandTargets My doctor friend that got me into Canik’s (he shoots competitively IDPA) bought a Rival. He let me shoot it. I ordered it the next day! 😂
Thank you for sticking with it and holding SIG accountable. Seems lots of other channels did their review and didn't want to upset the sponsor so just let it go or glossed over it, even though its a bad design.
Yep. I guarantee there are way more of them with problems than are being reported.
Not going to lie; I’m a big Sig Fan. However, you are the reason I haven’t even considered purchasing this firearm. Thank you for everything you do for the firearms community.
Appreciate that. I'm a big P365 cheerleader so this really sucked.
Same here
Just talked me out of buying one lol
Sigs are overpriced junk these days.. Plenty examples of multiple problems with multiple models.. Plus their customer service is horrible, as shown here.. Sig fanbois are always in denial
Thank you for showing the truth on this . I noticed other channels do not tell you exactly the truth cause most are sent the gun free and most will not talk bad about it.
So glad you are showing this . Thank you so much !!!!!
Unbelievable!! Totally worthless customer service!! Sorry you are going through this! Best of luck to you.
I was nearly speechless.😆
@@ToolsandTargets You being speechless would be the ultimate bad review. If you do not get an immediate refund, just put up a video with text and a funeral dirge in the background.
I greatly admire your patience and tenacity...you got the only possible resolution.
Appreciate that.
Yeah that's unbelievable but thank you brother for saving me $500 on buying one way to take one for the team
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Sorry to see this series end without a resolution from Sig. I have a Walthers Colt 1911 with the same issue. Been back to the factory twice and I finally gave up. Decided to pick up a Sig P322 and so far, no issues. I was concerned after I saw your video, but so far with 250 rounds of 10 different types of ammo, the barrel is clean.
There’s got to be an answer, maybe the type of steel in some of the barrels, but to see this on two different gun manufactures is curious.
It would be great if Sig finally figured it out and sent you an update so you could add it to this topic.
Glad yours is good. Seems to be that most are, but people usually want to focus on the bad. Can't blame people for being pissed though if they're having problems with SIG's terrible service. It's one thing for an unexpected problem... but an entirely different thing to have the problem be continuous, especially when they have to spend their own time and money sending it in and getting it back unfixed. (Unusual that "new" barrels are still bad too).
Yeah, I would have liked to know what the issue really is. Although, I suspect they would never be transparent about it even if they knew.
Who ever is making the barrels are letting them get off the manufacturing process without any inspection of quality control. You had way more self control dealing with them than I would. I appreciate you testing one them because I was seriously looking to buy one. I am glad I went with the taurus. I actually bought it because the sig was unavailable at the time...thanks
Yeah, it blows my mind that they don't seem too bothered by this.
Thank you for putting up such HONEST and informative videos. I agree with you that SIG ought to make this right. By all accounts, they don't even admit there is a issue with the lead fouling at all. Best of luck with the return/refund.
Appreciate that.
My Taurus tx22 never had problems like that, if it were me I’d say time for a refund. This is unacceptable 🤦♂️
They are refunding me. Hopefully it goes well. 21:43 😎👍
My Taurus TX22 is money. Dependable like an AK47
I have a TX22 also and it's been great, but my friend had to send his TX22 back for leading 4 TIMES! He has not had a chance to shoot it much since he got it back, so we will see.
First off I'm pissed for you!! 1:46 SIG didn't even address the led issue but described no failures to feed,fire, extract,eject problems and like you said had nothing to do with the work order. I will continue the video now.... OMG man of course they want you to send it again.... I think you are right doing what you're doing here bud I wouldn't want to deal with it either!! Glad you got the refund starting!
Appreciate that. I'm done with it.
I’m baffled why this even happens! Whether it’s a crooked barrel or too small of a bore, I don’t know. I was hoping it would be a winner, but after seeing your experience I’ll be passing on this gun. I’m sorry you have to deal with this mess! Good Luck Tools 🍋
I’m thinking the chambers are good but the end of the barrels are tapered down some how. Almost like they are using a worn out reaming to to cut the barrel. I’ve seen it in AR-15 chambers before due to that issue. This is reversed.
Thank you sir. Hopefully the refund goes smoothly.
Hopefully you get your $$$back! I won’t be buying anything from them! I feel for the others having this problem. I think your UA-cam channel helped you out. I doubt the average guy would get any help.
I think the steel of the barrel is too soft and is expanding too much when fired.
@@thatoldyankeesguy It’s one of the best unless you happen to be one of the people who bought a firearm that’s junk. You carry or purchase what pleases you. As for me no sig products!
Man, I love my sig's and have never had any issues with mine, but that was absurd what you had to go through!!!!! I will definitely think twice before buying another sig.
I definitely will.😆
I carried a department issue P229 on duty for years, it was a very reliable weapon. When the first gen of P320 was released, I was ready to buy one until all the problems started popping up and Sig treated the customers the same way they're treating this poor guy. They released the P365 a short time later and the same thing. There are too many good guns on the market these days for me to take a crap shoot with Sig products.
Sig had a golden opportunity to get all us Taurus customers with bad barrels to buy the P322. Not going to happen until they publicly admit to it and make the necessary changes. We all know that's never going to happen. They should be ashamed of themselves for putting out 3rd world quality @ $100 more than the competing brand! Disgusting.
Agreed
Thank you for making this video. It's important to see how a company handles issues. We get to listen to tubers all the time we know have a dog in the hunt with regards to keeping the manufacturers happy. My cheap TX 22 has only needed a few cleanings in over a thousand rounds and runs great. I really wanted to buy the SIG P365 in 380 acp but with the issues some customers are having with FTE . FTF and now seeing how their customer service is I'm going to hold off.
Don't blame you. I was hoping this would be a nice addition alongside my TX22 but nope.
Glad I’ve got the Taurus TX22, and stayed away from the Sig. This is ridiculous!
It really is.
wow what does that say about Sig, it's crazy that they would send that back. knowing that you had the videos of it all. I own one Sig it's a m18 and honestly I don't care much for it. You need to put these on blast Sig should be ashamed. Sorry for all of your problems with that. Appreciate all of your videos keep them coming 👍.
Appreciate that. I was pretty blown away.
Love my M18 and P365. Both solid, reliable, and accurate. Even owning 2 TX22's I was excited about the 322 until this series of videos. Especially now that I've seen how the internals look (not using a standard FCU, etc) forget it. Not even remotely worth the risk.
I agree, I had a p320 several years ago and the frame looked like it was made of cheap plastic. And it shot like crap. I sold it and got a CZ P10. I still carry it to this day.
It just means they follow a script for repair that was written by an upper management unwilling to deal with real problems.
OMG!! ‘Like sand through the hour glass, so our The Days of our Lives’!! ‘As the (Sig) World Turns’!!
Geez, not sure I’d be willing to spend my hard earned money on a Sig, based on what I’ve learned from your experiences!!
Hopefully you’ll just get your money back!! Ridiculous!!
Thank you for sharing my friend! Hopefully this to shall finally come to a successful conclusion for you!
Let us know what the final outcome truly is!
Stay safe!!🇺🇸👍🏻
Appreciate that. I'll definitely make sure you get the final episode!😎👍
Thanks for the video. I was considering the P322 as a potential replacement for a couple of Glock G44s that have major issues with failure to eject. 2 new G44s in Kate November and one has been back to Glock and most internal parts were replaced but still having some ejection problems regardless of the dozen different rounds we have shot. The other G44 is currently back to Glock for a second time, first time they said it was fine, since it’s still fails to eject properly about 15% of the time AND we had some leading in the barrel too where we couldn’t get the bore brush all the way through. Sent all ammo tests and rounds fired shot by shot. About 2000 rounds through each gun but based on your video I will not replace it with a sig.
Hate to hear that. I never did pick up a 44. I finally got the refund check for this Sig a couple weeks ago. Their "customer service" is even worse than the gun was.
I would definitely would never buy another Sig! Poor QC! Sig definitely doesn't care about public sales, only military contacts..
This sure doesn't leave a good impression for me.
Wow, you are patient man. I would have completely lost it. Happy to hear it is resolved ( pending the refund).
Very disappointing you had to go through so much with a company I always thought was a stand-up organization. Makes me think twice about it.
Thank you again for your videos
Appreciate that.😎👍
Wow. I’m so glad I have no had any issues with leading. I hate that you are though.
Well at least hopefully it's over once this refund is done. It really is a shame.
I know this video is over a year old now but I wanted to comment. I feel for you - you paid good money for a functional gun. I’ve seen the other vids and follow ups and see you’ve got rid of the gun now - so at least you’ve got a resolution.
I’m still curious what the issue could be. Replacing the barrel should have fixed the issue. It can’t be that all the barrels are bad. It seems there is only a subset of guns with the issue. I can appreciate the frustration.
My 322 doesn’t exhibit this behavior and I’ve let it go to 1000 rds before cleaning it and it didn’t experience and such lead fouling or plugging. It remained perfectly functional and accurate shooting many brands/types of ammo - automatch, blazer, cci, subsonic, supersonic , copper washed or plain lead - no issues. I don’t know how there’s such a huge discrepancy between perfectly functional 322’s and ones that lead up. I don’t deny that the leading exists but I can’t get my head around how some get leaded and some don’t. That this gun had the barrel replaced and still had the issue seems super unlucky.
Sig just got ahead of themselves IMO. Paid more attention to the m17/18 p320 series more than anything else
Mhmm
I think they were more interested in getting 20 rounds in the mag more then anything else.
They didn’t even do a good job of paying attention to the 320 series lmao. Sig USA is trash
@@thegreenman2030 Great point! But I will say my wifes P322 has been great. Luck of draw I guess.
The p320s are going off in people's holsters all by themselves. Google the lawsuits.
Sad that Taurus is more reliable and has better customer service than SIG now.
I was going to buy one until what happened to you, I’ll just stick with the TX22 .... no issues at all through a few thousand rounds of various brand and quality ammo.
Yeah, I should have just left well enough alone with my TX22's. Lesson learned.
@@ToolsandTargets maybe try the tactical version of the FN 502 with your Sig refund?
@@stephen_crumley 2nd the fn.... the little 22 is tack driver I got tx22 n p17 buddy has the fn... if I wanted I'd buy one but mine run whatever I throw at them for way less$$$ lol
You were most definitely more patient than me...happy at least you got your money back !!! For what it's worth, I'm not in the market for a new 22 lr but, if I was I know what brand to NOT buy !!!!
Appreciate that.😎👍
I'm going to go to the safe and tell my Taurus TX .22 how much I love it after seeing what you went through. I was considering buying a Sig P322, but I'll definitely pass now. I do own 3 Sigs: M18, P320 X Pro & P365 and will admit I've not had one issue with the centerfires.
😂 My 365 has been perfect.
There will be no future Sig purchases for me! This has really opened my eyes! If they can't even solve an issue of barrel replacement.... I have no faith in them as a manufacturer! Not to mention the problems and now lawsuits involving the P320 Sig has somehow lost their way!
You wont be seeing any new ones from me.
I have a P322. I have shot a couple of hundred round through it with no issue. Nonetheless, it is clear there is a big issue with this gun. I completely understand why he is furious, I would be, too.
Some of them don't seem to have this problem at all. It's a shame this one does.
That's crazy, I've sent my P365 in for failures to return to battery and they polished the breach of the chamber and replaced the striker housing and it hasn't had issues again. It went from Idaho to New Hampshire back to Idaho in half a week.
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Glad to hear youre getting a refund.
im not a big sig fan and after seeing your experience with this gun, it may shy me away from the brand indefinitely. all i ever bought from them was a p365 and it was a little after they came out cuz at the time of launch they were having issues (no surprise).
Same here. The 365 is the only other Sig I have and I like it so much, I figured this 322 would be another good one.
I think SIG is overrated!!
that is crazy that you got it back with lead already in the barrel from sig's testing. even crazier for sig to tell you not to believe your own eyes and to just clean it and take it out and fire it because it's fixed when plainly it was returned with the same problem from their testing. having been there and done that with sig on a completely different model and problem I notice it is in their playbook to say their product is perfect and the problem is with you. isn't it odd that 99% of what they do is good that they allow that 1% to earn so much hate for their brand.
Yeah, it's clear that they still don't wanna admit there's a real issue. What a shame this was.
I love Sig but gotta say I have a Walther P22 that's got several thousand rounds thru it and no issues.
Yeah, none of my .22's have ever had anything like this happen.
Had similar problems. Taurus Spectrum sent back 4X before being replaced by Taurus. I had to drive to FedEx and had range and ammo fees to test each time. Then a few weeks ago I bought a Ruger Wrangler and it jammed. Sent to Ruger and returned in a week. When it came back right out of the box when the gun was cocked it screached and squeaked loudly. I called them on the phone and they heard it and said needs to come back so not checked properly before it was sent back. Again now I had to drive to UPS and then FedEx the second time, also ammo the first time and range fee. Don't know what is going on with these gun companies and their repair practices. I now await to see if it comes back repaired. Glad they are refunding you for your gun. I also sent you an email, which you might want to review.
Quality has gone downhill fast on a ton of things these days.😣
I've had my ruger sr22 for... goodness I have no idea. Have never had an issue unless it was shit ammo
I have run thousands of round through the TX22 I have. I've gone a thousand rounds without even cleaning the thing and never had a speck of lead build up.
Same here. Two TX-22's and the barrels look as good as new internally after hundreds upon hundreds of rounds of all varieties.
ITS TOO BAD WHAT YOU HAD TO GO THRU TO GET THE PROBLEM SOLVED. I' M GLAD IN WORKED OUT GOOD FOR YOU IN THE END, YOU DID A GOOD JOB THROUGHOUT ALL THAT MESS.
Appreciate that. I really did hope it was gonna be fixed.😣
I don't feel so bad about purchasing a SCCY now 🤣 Happy with with my Taurus TX22.
My SCCY never leaded up.
@@ToolsandTargets I have to admit that neither did mine but I received it, cleaned & lubed it, took it to the range the next day, the trigger was hit or miss on the reset and the slide was not locking back on an empty mag. Sent it back to SCCY the same day. According to SCCY it should be on its way back in about a week.
I was in a gunsmithing shop , baties custom gun works probably 20 years ago.a customer three days before bought a new bull barrel Ruger 22 .he brought it back and the barrel was so full of lead you could only see a tiny speck of light through it and if I remember correctly he had shot only 100+150 rounds in it and bought the ammunition there with the gun. I watched the gunsmith getting the lead out with a high pressure air hose attachment. it was amazing. papa
Interesting
I'm going to think long and hard before shopping for a sig at this point. Looks like they have questionable customer service.
I sure aint thrilled.
@Default Name i own a browning 1911/22and have several thousand rounds through it and it has never leaded up and I have never had to deal with customer service. I'm going to consider other options with the troubles they are having with this and the 320, best to steer clear at this point.
Picked up a new p322 in coyote brown this weekend, and love this gun. I put 400 rounds through it , 200 unsuppressed and 200 suppressed, not a one single ftf, and the barrel is not leaded at all. Maybe it's hit and miss, but I'm thinking it's a new production pistol and they've worked out the bugs.
Way to stand your ground brother
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Sorry you had this experience! Thanks for sharing. The Taurus TX22 is sounding pretty good right now. I hear their customer service is getting better too.
Appreciate that. My TX22's have been great.
@@ToolsandTargets appreciate you man!
Seeing your hand shake with rage made me have flashbacks of angry calls.
I'm still waiting on the refund check for this garbage over a month later.
@@ToolsandTargets are you serious! I just ordered one Friday but after seeing this I’m kinda nervous. I still have the opportunity to not go through with it. Is the fouling a wide range issue or more centralized? I hope you get your money man. That sucks
Glad I seen this video was getting ready to buy one finally found one last week and was going to get it but not now.. perfect timing with this video
Yours could be perfectly fine. Seems that it's random from what you hear online.🤷♂️
@@ToolsandTargets yeah but not gonna take the chance with all that BS I’ll just look for the tx22 and wait a year or so on the Sig
Reminds me of my issues with the Sig Mosquito back in the day. Just a junk gun all around, sold it to a pawn shop and didn't look back.
I'm glad to be done with this one.
I almost bought a sig. but I'm glad I didn't now. I bought a Smith & Wesson m&p shield 9 performance center instead and I'm very happy I did I've had no issues none whatsoever and I love that gun carry with me everyday sleep with it right there under my pillow hug and kiss it all the time.hahaha 🇱🇷
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PS. I also purchased a Anderson lower AR-15 with binary trigger. Went to Rock Island armory and bought my upper. Not only that I purchased a thousand rounds of 223 ammo for the AR. Then I went to palmetto State armory and seen that they had semi automatic 12 gauge bull pumps on sale regularly $699.00. I bought a panzer bullpup 12 gauge with sights for 350 and I bought black Ace ammunition 12 gauge double up buck and 12 gauge 1 oz slugs two and three quarter inch 500 rounds I also purchased 500 rounds of 9 mm from cheaper than dirt have a nice day everybody I will.hahaha!"""🇱🇷
Amazing. I bought a P322 and the first time I ran it, I ran 300 rounds no lead issue. Cleaned it and ran 600 rounds no Issues. I don't understand were this real issue lies. My Serial # is 46XXX. The only issues I have had is 3 ammo primer failures. Hopefully Sig figures this out, customer deserve better.
My Grandfather has one we have put about 1.5k through so far with no leading issues.
The ones that work are great & the ones that don't seem to be unsaveable
Yeah, maybe they will. I suspect you'll never hear anything about what the actual problem is though. I would also be willing to bet that there are far more people having this problem than are letting it be known.
@@ToolsandTargets No question about it being a major issue in a certain run of barrels or other components causing this issue. It is very disappointing how customer service and the service department handled this documented issue. I happened to pick mine up after I saw your first video and had some confidence that Sig internally acknowledged this issue and resolved it. I happen to love this gun due to the cost savings on practicing at the range compared to 9mm.The P322 has similar grip angle as my P320's. It does not phase me financially to practice with 300 rounds of 22LR. Where as 9mm it is hard to shot more than 150 rounds in practice financially. I would hope Sig starts getting serious about Customer Service.
What a shame Tools! They have terrible customer service
I have a Sig P238. Have not had any issues thank God
It really is a shame.
I love my P365. Not a single problem ever.
I feel bad for ya buddy! You are such a good dude and you should not be dealing with this
That's incredibly frustrating. Hopefully you get it resolved soon !
Hopefully the refund is quick.
Goes to show that name and price has nothing to do with quality for instance I have one of the rough Rider 22 revolvers bought it new and haven't cleaned it since probably put over a thousand rounds through it and I can still hit a squirrel at 25 yards that is if I put in my part
Yep!
Damn, I just bought this gun yesterday. I put a little over 200 rounds through it, and it function just fine. I then looked up some reviews about this gun before I started to clean the gun, and saw all these leading barrel complaints. That definitely starting getting me worried. I cleaned the gun, and I didn't notice any problem with the barrel. Hopefully this doesn't become an issue for me 🤞
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Mine has performed very well. Over 1000 rounds. No issues. Run CCI Mini Mags exclusively.
@@blah6822 update, I've now put 3k rounds of federal through it. Runs like a champ, has the occasional light primer strike as with all .22
I clean it after every use, and the barrel is still mint
I think it’s inevitable, the 322 will start filling with lead. What about other p322 owners?
It's almost like they still consider this somewhat normal. It's unreal.
@@ToolsandTargets I can tell you are steaming hot 😡😡😡
2000 rounds thru mine, perfectly clean
@@ToolsandTargets I imagine they are playing tight-lipped because they just won huge military contracts and they don't want to admit that they have a serious QC issue of any kind. Almost makes me wonder if they care at all about everyday consumers when they have the huge military contracts to fulfill. Chances are... nope!
I had accuracy issues after about 200rds during my first range session. Cleaned it , then Ran 350 rounds without any noticeable accuracy decline.
I spent about 10-years as a customer service rep (non gun related), both taking calls & calling on customers directly. If I had let a problem go on as long as yours have, I would have been fired. After seeing how you were treated, I would never consider spending my money for any Sig product.
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Sig beta testers never seem like a happy bunch, lol. I figured that one out at least 20 years ago.
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I feel for you. I had to send back to Norma 1,200 rounds of 308 that was under recall half of it in factory boxes and half of it not. It was just delivered down in Georgia today. Talk about a nightmare. Now I have to wait on replacement ammo. I have had this ammo for over 2 years so I think they were hoping most of it got shot up instead of replaced.
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I would sell it that is ridiculous.
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If the representative you just spoke to said he has the same gun and has fired thousands of rounds through it with no problem tell him to send you his Barrel
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I have owned 2 of the newer sigs and both of them have had major issues. I had a P365 that disassembled itself while I was shooting it, and the M17s barrel was extremely inaccurate. I took some measurements and the chamber was out of spec(oversized by several thousandths and not concentric) and when I ran a bore scope camera through it the rifling looked like it was cut by a caveman with stone tools. Sig was extremely unpleasant to deal with and their customer service wanted me to pay for a new barrel as it was my fault that their QC was crap. I was always a fan, but not anymore.
Edited to fix a mistake. I put 320 instead of 365
Agreed. Their customer service sucks. I think someone has let a govt contract go to their heads.
That's crazy
Mhmm
I am glad they are sending your money back. I saw one the other day and it looked like a nice firearm. The sells person asked me if i would like to but it and i said no,, not till the problem with leading was fixed. He looked real strange at me like i knew nothing. Thank you for the update.
Hopefully, it goes smooth for this last little bit. Appreciate you!
Maybe run the piss out of it and see if break in will help it? I know it will be aggravating having to clean it.
If you didn't see this part yet 21:43 they're refunding my purchase. I'm done with the back and forth.
@@ToolsandTargets yea I didn’t get that far. Just the very start of it. Just now making it back to finish it up. Was at dinner with my in laws during my first attempt. I hate that it didn’t work out for you. Maybe when they get everything ironed out you can give another one a try. I got lucky with mine. I had one of the first p365 and I had bad luck with it. It was peening/ deforming the barrel hood bad under the slide.
I was dead set on picking up a P322. I searched UA-cam for some accessory and magazine upgrades when I found these videos. I'm seriously looking at the Taurus Tx22 and FN502 instead. I'm not spending money on junk. Thanks
TX22 is a far better choice. As far as the 502, I might be testing one out soon.😎👍
TOOL .. !!!! YOU ARE A NICE MAN ... !!!!!! I WOULD BECOME A FIRE BREATHING DRAGON .... !!!!!!! THERE EARS WOULD BE BURNING ... !!!!!!! THEY WOULD BE CALLING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT .... !!!!!!!!!! 😡🤬👹 DOUBLE G. HERE ... !!!!!!!
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Great job sir! Glad you took a stand! I've seen there attitude many times! They want our money but when its a problem they get attitudes! Shame on you sig!!
Exactly!
Man. This is terrible. I'm looking to buy my first gun so I've been watching a ton of your vids and learning a lot. I've settled on getting a .22 as a first gun and this SiG was (past tense) on my potential list.
Thanks for documenting all this...very inciteful and useful info as being a newb, the only thing I know about SiG is from playing counterstrike back in the day.
Sorry you're having so many problems with this SiG.
Just buy the TX 22..... 99.99 % reliable..... There is no such thing as a 100% Rimfire....But Taurus has been excellent:
The Taurus TX22 is a good option or the M&P 22c they both run good for me
Appreciate that. You may get one that's absolutely fine, but then you could also get this. I have to agree with the other replies, the TX22 is a fantastic option.
Heck go run a bulk pack through it then send it back lol! Sorry that didn't work out I was sure hoping they could fix it for you, it does look like a sweet little 22! Just got a TX22 ran about 300 rds through it so far but it's a champ and was under 300 out the door! I'm tickled with it! I would be so disappointed if I bought a Sig and that happened! What a nightmare!
5000 rounds of Thunderbolt!😆😆😆
lol heck yeah one last hurrah with the P322 might as well get some last enjoyment out of it!@ lol
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You just need to accept Glock as your lord and savior 🙏
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Taurus TX-22 competition for the win!
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Extremely disappointing not only in the way customer service handled it with so much resistance to what you wanted but also in the overall inability for their technical team to solve the issue, an issue that is downright dangerous. Guarantee they have lost more in future purchases from people viewing this experience than they were trying to save in having this process continue. Without having owned one I have always held them in high regard but I can no longer do so and this brand has to be removed from consideration going forward.
Agreed. I can't believe how this whole process has gone.
Sad when keltec makes a better 22 pistol than sig.
It really is.
Thank you for documenting this. That customer service is so bad! I've had better customer service from strictly import companies whose profit margins are very slim unlike Sig who are making more than enough money on their guns. The fact that they're quibbling over a few hundred bucks is completely asinine.
Agreed. I'm still waiting on the refund check as well. They've had the gun back since October 7th.
What a horrible, unfunny joke. I will not be purchasing a new Sig until the company takes the appropriate steps to PROPERLY repair your P322 (as well as the multiple others which have the same issue) or buy it back. They have a known issue, so at this point it appears that their strategy is to just keep pretending they are actually doing something until the folks who have bad ones just get tired of dealing with them and "go away". Not a sound plan, especially with social media being as ubiquitous as it is. If you don't have one, I highly recommend grabbing a KelTec P17. Ugly plastic cheapness that is the most fun pewpew I own...accurate, great trigger, surprisingly good sights, and the least muzzle rise I've ever experienced.
Yeah, they did call back and have agreed to refund me and take the gun back. I snuck in an update clip but it's easy to miss near the end. 21:43 😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets I'm waiting until you actually have the check in your hands before I consider it resolved...
@@noahmercy-mann4323 Same here.
Well, as you said they did make it right in the end, but it was like pulling teeth. Just guessing, but they probably had a run of barrels that were out of spec, but just put them out in the field, hoping all would be fine.
That would be my guess.
I just can’t believe SIG will not come clean on this issue we are seeing here. I agree with you I have shot hundreds of rounds of .22LR out of my Ruger 22/45 lite, Browning Buckmark, Walther P22, Ruger Single Six 22LR/22WMR and so on. Sure they get dirty and need cleaned but never a leading issue such as this. You should not have to go to that extreme to get clarity and results from SIG. Hope to see you get your refund.There-is just no way that P322 should be leading up like that after so few rounds. And that comment about the rear sight damage was un-called for. Almost seems to me they were pushing back a little thinking the gun was abused. I know better you are just as compassionate with your guns as I am with my own. Thanks for the huge update and let us know the final outcome. Much appreciated my friend. Be safe.⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Yeah, I figured either they were trying to say I did something to break it or one of them broke it and were just trying to cover up for themselves. It was basically brand new. I was so aggravated I forgot to even say something about it on the call.😆😆😆
@@ToolsandTargets Yeah, with all that 💩 they were shoveling you had enough on your mind just to keep the story straight. I still have a hard time with them knowing you have a really good You Tube channel and them still being in denial. We’ll have a good evening buddy. Talk to you soon!
So glad I chose the Taurus TX22. What kind of customer service is this?? Wow!
Good choice.
I have that pistol. Mine seems to be ok. I get why your upset.
I would have run more ammo through it….enough to show how bad the leading gets to emphasize the problem and make it very clear.
Enjoy your videos!
He already did that in the original videos. That they saw.
He should have done it just to make them look even more incompetent and stupid than they already made themselves look. If that's even possible.
They can watch the other videos if they actually give a crap, after they get it back and issue the refund. Appreciate that.😎👍
What’s crazy is I got rid of my Sig Tac ops because a R.I.P load expanded the barrel at the muzzle. Sig tired the same song and dance back & forth send backs with the third send back having an engineer telling me you need a barrel 😵💫😵💫 no 💩 that’s why you have it!!! Unfortunately I’ll never buy a Sig product again.
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Much thanks for your review and follow up regarding the Sig Sauer P322 leading and customer service issues. Based on your work and that of Nutnfancy, I canceled my order for a SS P322 and am buying a Taurus TX22 Competition instead. I will now have three Taurus' in firearms inventory and no Sig Saurers.
Smart move in my opinion. I'm still waiting on the refund check from them.
I just bought one a few weeks ago. I put 100 rounds of Thunderbolt ammo through it and other then a few failures to feed no leading. After seeing your video I put another 150 rounds of Aguila 40gr bulk ammo through it and I had about 3 failures to feed but no leading. I'm gonna leave the gun dirty and see what happens after I dump the rest of the 500 round bulk pack of Aguilas.
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Too bad, but thanks for keeping us updated.......it is a real fun gun at the range....have had no real issues with it, after initial break-in.........taken it out 4 times and over 2000 rounds........I clean it thoroughly after every trip to the range and lube it generously.......I found the CCI standard velocity to work flawlessly...........my first two magazines I shot did have some loading/firing issues, but after that flawless........I used 20 rounds of Winchester and that ammo created the only 4 misfires I have had during first time at the range.......
This one had no issues with cycling of anything. Just the fatal lead issue that for whatever reason they apparently couldn't get resolved.🤷♂️
It's unbelievable the crap you went through. I have owned a few Sigs and only have a 226 now. All mine are 20 years or more old. I will not buy a Sig from the 365 issues, then the 320 and now this one. Sig fan boys will stick with them but it only takes a few lemons and customers will not come back. At least I won't. Take care and thanks for showing this info is much needed
It really is a shame. Appreciate ya!
WOW! Well if that don't chap yer hide, I don't know what will! It may not be the experience every P322 owner has, but what's that got to do with it? Plus as others have said in comments on your other videos, and as other UA-camrs have documented, you're not alone in seeing inordinate amounts of leading in a P322 barrel. And how many barrels were put on your gun? Two additional barrels besides the original? And they all had the same problem? Sorry you had to go through this, Brian, but I'm definitely steering clear of *this* gun. Thanks for all you do, man!
Appreciate that. This has been easily the worst gun owning experience I have ever had
I bought a Taurus TX22, out of the box, didn't clean it, over 700 rounds through it, zero jams, zero failures, zero leading, and still haven't cleaned it. Been wanting to see where that point is where I do have to clean it lol. The fact they sent you back the barrel with lead in it and claimed they checked it is ridiculous. I can give them credit for sounding patient about it but I will add if you didn't mention you were documenting this on UA-cam with 1,000s of views I bet they wouldn't have helped. That said just like any gun sometimes you do indeed get lemons unfortunately where as others get absolute gems.
Agreed. I seriously can't tell you the last time I cleaned my TX22 and it runs flawless.
@@ToolsandTargets wonderful gun!
I wish that they had just told you this originally. Maybe customer service doesn't know. 22lr comes in different projectile diameters. In the US we use narrower diameter 22lr projectiles. In Europe they tend to use wider diameter 22lr projectiles. You are using a pistol designed for wide diameter projectiles with ammo that has a narrower projectile. The result is gas blow by. That's what is leading your barrel. My Sig Misquito is the same way. My Mosquito requires CCI ammunition or it won't even cycle because it needs wider diameter 22lr. I hope this was helpful.
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