thank you for giving older games more exposure. I understand that people who joined the hobby in recent years prefer recent trends, but for a oldschool player as myself, I can hardly pick any game released after 2018 that is better than something released previously.
The older games are sooooo good! Game designing seems to have changed quite a bit over time but we're hoping to feature more of the older games in the future
I totally agree. It's hard to compete with something like The Castles of Burgundy or Twilight Struggle or Grand Austria Hotel, stuff like that. I feel bad for new game makers who aren't just making party games.
I am also glad more games are getting reissues (apart from those that are overproduced to grab attention). I hope the market will balance production wise, as it's crazy to have an agenda to release new games every year (from the same designer)
As I'm watching this I was comparing everything to grand Austria! Lol The board / cards looked to similar, and the mechanics are similar. My gut was right lol
1:07:31 “The Klemens Franz artwork…I personally feel very at home whenever I play a game with this kind of artwork.” Naveen gets it. 👍 My husband and I feel the same way about his art. 😄
For real. It feels like his style has kind of fallen out of favor in recent years with designers and publishers as well, I don't see his artwork in many games these days.
When I first entered the hobby of modern designer board games in late 2009, the 'heaviest' game I enjoyed was Agricola. In recent years, my enjoyment of heavier games has definitely grown, but my top 10 of 2016 and earlier reflect my previous enjoyment of lighter, medium-ish, games: Agricola Xia Mythotopia The Bloody Inn Black Fleet Castle Merchants Caylus Master Builder WarQuest A Castle For All Seasons
I spent a lot of money and effort to obtain Xia, legend of a drift system only to watch a "Shut Up and SitDdown" review of it, and discovering it is just a more random, slightly rubbish version of Merchants and marauders which i HATED and never played twice. I did play Xia 3 times and then got rid of it. Taught me a great lesson tho, now i research a LOT more before i buy.
The first time I played this game was a 5-player game. It took absolutely forever, especially since 4 of us had never played before, but it immediately became one of my favorite games. I've only played with all of the expansions, and I don't see a reason to play again without everything included. At higher player counts, the fifth tower is absolutely essential! I couldn't imagine playing a 4-player game without it. Dang, I want to get this to the table again ASAP!!
Nice to hear that it plays well with all expansion included! We love throwing in everything lol but are still a bit fearful of a 5-P game lol. Hope you get to play it asap!
My favorite thing about the expansion for this is that it adds player powers with a wonderful auction for them. Such a great auction, wish more games would imitate it.
I think this game is fun. However, my partner and I played it after already being deeply in love with Grand Austria Hotel by the same designers, which we think is a superior game, so Lorenzo doesn't make it to the table too often. The two games share similar mechanisms, and both are quite tight and cutthroat, but GAH has more theme, which puts it over the top. Would love to see you two play it. It's great at two players. Thanks for the video. It makes me want to play LIM again (except our table is currently swallowed up by Lisboa). :)
Ahh Monique isn’t a fan of GAH because the dice can limit your ability to take the actions you want. I like it, but think I may like Lorenzo over GAH. It’s been about a year since I last played it, now I want to haha.
@@BeforeYouPlay Well, in that random dice sense it's a lot like Trismegistus, which she liked/loved in 2020. Yeah, it deserves another play or two. I hope you do it for the channel!
We purchased this game at BGG con in May. Our first game was with four-players, and three of us not having played before. It was brutal and a lot of frustration amongst the players. We have played several two-player sessions and have really enjoyed the game. Thanks for the play through and review.
I love this game so much. I wish to see that mechanic of the dice being the value of everyone's worker in the future. I have this idea of it being used but if you inprove the value they change for everyone else too.
It's actually quite surprising that we don't see that sort of mechanic in other games, especially after the release of this one. It honestly works so well
As always a great play through. Id love to see you two try out 2015’s Grand Austria Hotel by 2 of the the same designers. I know Naveen would really like it. It seems right up his Euro alley. It was introduced to me just a few months and and i absolutely fell in love with the game. Not too long but with great decision space and a fun theme too. Some day I hope to see it on your channel. Id be super curious to see what you think! Cheers!
@@BeforeYouPlay We finally got this played on the Dice Tower Cruise 2 weeks ago. I am watching your video again for another review before we play it tomorrow.
Thank you for the great playthrough! Haven't played this game since 2020 but now want to play it...this weekend ;) It was one of the first "heavy" euro I bought around 2018. I thought the renaissance theme was original until I found there were 100s games with a renaissance theme😂
Great! Lorenzo is in my top 4 games ever! The expansion is great as well; it loosens up higher player count a bit with a 5th tower (can be used at any player count btw). the zig-zag balance of strategy and tactics in this one is so fun. add the expansion asymmetric family powers on top of this game and it stays fresh for a long time.
Great play-thru and review as always! Since you like the tightness and tension in this game you might also like the game punishing aspects of World without End. The pain is okay because everyone suffers, so doesn't feel arbitrary. 😀 Increasing limits on action options as each era progresses before resetting for the next era leads to a nice tension and hard choices. Bonus is that it plays quickly. Not sure how easy it is to get hold of that older game, but it is one I love to keep going back to.
Oooh! Thanks for the recommendation! We've played Pillars of the Earth in the past and remember thinking it was an interesting one and they're both by the same designers. We'll put it on our radar, thanks!
Great video, thanks! The houses of reniassance adds another tower which helps with the tightness and variety, like it a lot, we always play with it. The pazzi conspiracy i do not like, it adds more player interaction, but sometimes in a take that kind of way. Also it adds a lot of setup time for what it is.
@@BeforeYouPlay With five players, the options become much more tightened, but the locks, the fifth tower, and the initial choice of families are added. A new range of possibilities for scoring opens up. That said, it remains as dry as the desert. (I'm from Argentina....How bad is my English?)
So here's the thing. I've watched reviews of this game in the past and was thinking "meh, can't see what's so great about this game". Watching your video made me rethink that and now I want to buy it ! It looks great ! Thank you guys, this was very enjoyable although my wallet won't like it as much. XD
I am thinking of getting this but want to see how it plays at 2, and how it compares to Grand Austria Hotel first! so glad you made this playthrough! Off to make a cuppa and watch it :)
Great game, ill be keeping it for a while as well. The 5th tower added in the expansion loosens things up a bit, and is great in 3p and above games. My only problem with this game are that the 1x purple worker pieces are nearly the exact same size as the larger 5x purple worker pieces, and it's hard to tell them apart without having both sizes side by side. Also, the 4 leader cards you get at the beginning of the game only have iconography, to make the game language independent, and while there is an index telling you what these cards do, they are not in alphabetical order AND are split up between 2 or 3 rulebooks. So you and all other players have to go through a maze of Italian names to find the 4 you are using this game, and when you forget what one of them does, its back to the Maze for another 3 minutes.
I think that since you likes this one so much - you should revisit Grand Austria Hotel. Yes, it can deive you nuts. Yes its very unforgiving but it's good. I have a wierd thing with it and I keep doing worse and worse everytime i play. But i still loveee it Well love and hate at the same time 😂😂
At 17:48, when Monique takes the yellow card as a result of the effect of her character card: I thought it wasn't possible to boost card effects with workers? In other words: isn't it only possible to use servants when placing a worker to boost that worker's dice value?
Nevermind! I found the answer buried in an old BGG thread: it IS possible to spend servants to boost card effects and Monique's move was completely legal. Forgot to say thank you for the teach and playthrough!
I'd definitely take an excommunication if I was Monique at the second Era. The points on faith escalate so much and also not having to care about faith is very nice imo
Omg. This is my all time favourite game. So clean. Despite it being my favourite game i strongly reccomend you DON'T cover the second 'running your engine' space as it suggests for 2p. The 3 pip penalty is punishment enough, and it can just become a race to that spot each round otherwise.
@@BeforeYouPlayI play variant that only one of those two spaces is covered. At the start of game the yellow space is covered. At the end of each round the cover moves to the other - 3 space. It's more fun while keeping some tightness.
Wow, after all that praise Monique says they game "might make it into her top 50" 😮 What kind of superstar genious games are on her top 50 I wonder...🤔
Getting some Castles of Burgundy vibes from this one. Also I wouldnt call anything after ~2007 "older" games. Lots of very relevant and amazing games made in 2016 and before. Great Western Trail, Pandemic, Castles of burgundy, 7 Wonders Duel, Brass, Feast for Odin, Concordia, Viticulture, Caverna/Agricola, Power Grid, Eclipse, Robinson Crusoe, Dominant Species, and the list goes on... personally I think modern era of board games started somewhere around 2005 and we are still in it. Most new games rehash mechanics invented in the last 20 years anyways.
What are some of your favorite "older" (2016 and before) board games?
Like this question cause so many old games are so good - only name 3 but the list could be much longer:
Tzolikn, Concordia, Shakespeare
Bora bora, Alchemists, Dungeon Lords, Le Havre!
Tzolk’in with the expansion, Grand Austria Hotel, Troyes, Castles of Burgundy, Le Havre and Agricola.
Bora bora
Go😁
thank you for giving older games more exposure. I understand that people who joined the hobby in recent years prefer recent trends, but for a oldschool player as myself, I can hardly pick any game released after 2018 that is better than something released previously.
The older games are sooooo good! Game designing seems to have changed quite a bit over time but we're hoping to feature more of the older games in the future
I totally agree. It's hard to compete with something like The Castles of Burgundy or Twilight Struggle or Grand Austria Hotel, stuff like that. I feel bad for new game makers who aren't just making party games.
I am also glad more games are getting reissues (apart from those that are overproduced to grab attention). I hope the market will balance production wise, as it's crazy to have an agenda to release new games every year (from the same designer)
Funny hearing games from 2015-2016 described as "old school". As someone who got into modern boardgaming in 2014, that makes me feel old 😂
These guys putting out Grand Austria Hotel and this in a row it's legendary BG designing status right there
As I'm watching this I was comparing everything to grand Austria! Lol
The board / cards looked to similar, and the mechanics are similar. My gut was right lol
As a Lorenzo I support this review.
One of my favourite games ever! Glad to see you two playing it.
1:07:31 “The Klemens Franz artwork…I personally feel very at home whenever I play a game with this kind of artwork.” Naveen gets it. 👍 My husband and I feel the same way about his art. 😄
hahaha *high five*!! It's such a classic style
For real. It feels like his style has kind of fallen out of favor in recent years with designers and publishers as well, I don't see his artwork in many games these days.
Nice Playthrough. This is definitely not a "multi-player solo" game. cant wait to get it to the table.
This game with the expansion is in my top 3 of all time. Such an amazing game!
When I first entered the hobby of modern designer board games in late 2009, the 'heaviest' game I enjoyed was Agricola. In recent years, my enjoyment of heavier games has definitely grown, but my top 10 of 2016 and earlier reflect my previous enjoyment of lighter, medium-ish, games:
Agricola
Xia
Mythotopia
The Bloody Inn
Black Fleet
Castle Merchants
Caylus
Master Builder
WarQuest
A Castle For All Seasons
A castle for all seasons is definitely under appreciated.
I spent a lot of money and effort to obtain Xia, legend of a drift system only to watch a "Shut Up and SitDdown" review of it, and discovering it is just a more random, slightly rubbish version of Merchants and marauders which i HATED and never played twice. I did play Xia 3 times and then got rid of it. Taught me a great lesson tho, now i research a LOT more before i buy.
The first time I played this game was a 5-player game. It took absolutely forever, especially since 4 of us had never played before, but it immediately became one of my favorite games. I've only played with all of the expansions, and I don't see a reason to play again without everything included. At higher player counts, the fifth tower is absolutely essential! I couldn't imagine playing a 4-player game without it. Dang, I want to get this to the table again ASAP!!
Nice to hear that it plays well with all expansion included! We love throwing in everything lol but are still a bit fearful of a 5-P game lol. Hope you get to play it asap!
Thank you for reviewing an older game. I know you guys showcase alot of kickstarter games, good to see oler games make it into the Que
Agreed
My favorite thing about the expansion for this is that it adds player powers with a wonderful auction for them. Such a great auction, wish more games would imitate it.
Oh that’s cool! We haven’t read into the expansion content. So many people are recommending them.
@@BeforeYouPlaythe expansion is sooo good. Definitely try it soon!
This is one of my favourite games, especially with the expansions.
On fire! Awesome. Good to see some non-KSers.
I think this game is fun. However, my partner and I played it after already being deeply in love with Grand Austria Hotel by the same designers, which we think is a superior game, so Lorenzo doesn't make it to the table too often. The two games share similar mechanisms, and both are quite tight and cutthroat, but GAH has more theme, which puts it over the top. Would love to see you two play it. It's great at two players. Thanks for the video. It makes me want to play LIM again (except our table is currently swallowed up by Lisboa). :)
Ahh Monique isn’t a fan of GAH because the dice can limit your ability to take the actions you want. I like it, but think I may like Lorenzo over GAH. It’s been about a year since I last played it, now I want to haha.
@@BeforeYouPlay Well, in that random dice sense it's a lot like Trismegistus, which she liked/loved in 2020. Yeah, it deserves another play or two. I hope you do it for the channel!
We purchased this game at BGG con in May. Our first game was with four-players, and three of us not having played before. It was brutal and a lot of frustration amongst the players. We have played several two-player sessions and have really enjoyed the game. Thanks for the play through and review.
One of the absolute best Euro games out there!!! tight and without theme at all hahaha but very good IMO
Knew nothing about how this game played, so thanks for posting your playthrough. Looks like a lot of fun!
This is my favorite! Thanks for filming great playthrough 😊
Awesome! Thank you so much for your kind words!
Great game. Consistently in my top 5. Another great euro with the theme of renaissance Florence that you might enjoy is Calimala.
I love this game so much. I wish to see that mechanic of the dice being the value of everyone's worker in the future. I have this idea of it being used but if you inprove the value they change for everyone else too.
It's actually quite surprising that we don't see that sort of mechanic in other games, especially after the release of this one. It honestly works so well
Love Lorenzo! Great play
Thanks!!
I can’t believe this was on your milestone. Had this game including the expansions. Kind of trailed of my radar this game.
As always a great play through. Id love to see you two try out 2015’s Grand Austria Hotel by 2 of the the same designers. I know Naveen would really like it. It seems right up his Euro alley. It was introduced to me just a few months and and i absolutely fell in love with the game. Not too long but with great decision space and a fun theme too. Some day I hope to see it on your channel. Id be super
curious to see what you think! Cheers!
This is one of my fav games of all time!!!!
I really need to get this one to the table! I have owned it for a while now. Thanks for the playthrough!
You’re welcome! Have you played it before?
@@BeforeYouPlay Nope, not yet. And I have Houses of Renaissance and everything!
@@BeforeYouPlay We finally got this played on the Dice Tower Cruise 2 weeks ago. I am watching your video again for another review before we play it tomorrow.
One of my favorite games.
This was an awesome playthrough! One of my favorite euros for sure ❤
Thank you for the great playthrough! Haven't played this game since 2020 but now want to play it...this weekend ;)
It was one of the first "heavy" euro I bought around 2018. I thought the renaissance theme was original until I found there were 100s games with a renaissance theme😂
Thank you! Time to dust this little beauty off 😉.
@@BeforeYouPlay And I did ;) That game is tight!
Great playthrough! I love this game, I should play it more often.
PS; I turned emo every time you said "Yellow Card".
There's a place off Ocean Avenue...
Great! Lorenzo is in my top 4 games ever! The expansion is great as well; it loosens up higher player count a bit with a 5th tower (can be used at any player count btw). the zig-zag balance of strategy and tactics in this one is so fun. add the expansion asymmetric family powers on top of this game and it stays fresh for a long time.
Nice job! This is a game in my Top 3 along with Barrage (from the same designer) that I strongly recommend you to play!
Great play-thru and review as always! Since you like the tightness and tension in this game you might also like the game punishing aspects of World without End. The pain is okay because everyone suffers, so doesn't feel arbitrary. 😀 Increasing limits on action options as each era progresses before resetting for the next era leads to a nice tension and hard choices. Bonus is that it plays quickly. Not sure how easy it is to get hold of that older game, but it is one I love to keep going back to.
Oooh! Thanks for the recommendation! We've played Pillars of the Earth in the past and remember thinking it was an interesting one and they're both by the same designers. We'll put it on our radar, thanks!
Well I’d love to see a play through for GOA. I know you both like it and Naveen has or had it very high on his top 100 a while back.
Great video, thanks!
The houses of reniassance adds another tower which helps with the tightness and variety, like it a lot, we always play with it.
The pazzi conspiracy i do not like, it adds more player interaction, but sometimes in a take that kind of way. Also it adds a lot of setup time for what it is.
Great game! I have the older base game and the expansion that came out for it and I recommend everything that comes in that expansion!
Sweet! We're looking forward to checking out the expansions
You might want to check out Golem - same designers, amazing game with a little more theme (though not much) and a little less tight!
We definitely want to play Golem one day. Great design team
Never liked this game, but you guys make it nice) Always watch you with pleasure) 😊
lol
Love playing Lorenzo. 5 players experience is AMAZING
5 players seems sooooo tight!
@@BeforeYouPlay With five players, the options become much more tightened, but the locks, the fifth tower, and the initial choice of families are added. A new range of possibilities for scoring opens up. That said, it remains as dry as the desert.
(I'm from Argentina....How bad is my English?)
So here's the thing. I've watched reviews of this game in the past and was thinking "meh, can't see what's so great about this game". Watching your video made me rethink that and now I want to buy it ! It looks great ! Thank you guys, this was very enjoyable although my wallet won't like it as much. XD
Never heard the term 'gamer oops' before but I like it, and I'll start using it :D Great job as usual!
I am thinking of getting this but want to see how it plays at 2, and how it compares to Grand Austria Hotel first! so glad you made this playthrough! Off to make a cuppa and watch it :)
GAH is my 2nd favorite game and this is my 3rd.
@@J-Wheeler-G I am wondering what is number 1?? :)
@@tina9422 Trismegistus
@@J-Wheeler-Gthe greatest ever!!!!
Not very good at 2p. It doesn’t scale properly and becomes very punishing.
Lorenzooooooo 😍😍😍😍😍 Thank you Monique and Naveen!
🥳🥳🥳 Thank you!
Hey guys - I hope you are well. Do you use just a felt table cover? It looks great.
Hi! It's a wool blanket actually! Thanks
very nice！ just bought it today🎉
Great video! Thank you. I am trying to find the marvel game you talked about on bgg and cant find it.
Great game, ill be keeping it for a while as well. The 5th tower added in the expansion loosens things up a bit, and is great in 3p and above games. My only problem with this game are that the 1x purple worker pieces are nearly the exact same size as the larger 5x purple worker pieces, and it's hard to tell them apart without having both sizes side by side. Also, the 4 leader cards you get at the beginning of the game only have iconography, to make the game language independent, and while there is an index telling you what these cards do, they are not in alphabetical order AND are split up between 2 or 3 rulebooks. So you and all other players have to go through a maze of Italian names to find the 4 you are using this game, and when you forget what one of them does, its back to the Maze for another 3 minutes.
I think that since you likes this one so much - you should revisit Grand Austria Hotel. Yes, it can deive you nuts. Yes its very unforgiving but it's good.
I have a wierd thing with it and I keep doing worse and worse everytime i play. But i still loveee it
Well love and hate at the same time 😂😂
Champions of Midgard
At 17:48, when Monique takes the yellow card as a result of the effect of her character card: I thought it wasn't possible to boost card effects with workers? In other words: isn't it only possible to use servants when placing a worker to boost that worker's dice value?
Nevermind! I found the answer buried in an old BGG thread: it IS possible to spend servants to boost card effects and Monique's move was completely legal.
Forgot to say thank you for the teach and playthrough!
I need to swipe the dust out from this one and bring it to the table again.
I'd definitely take an excommunication if I was Monique at the second Era. The points on faith escalate so much and also not having to care about faith is very nice imo
Yeah she was very conflicted in that moment but agrees that taking excommunication would have probably been better
Seems you 2 would enjoy Barrage 😀!
love lorenzo a lot. greate game
Omg. This is my all time favourite game. So clean. Despite it being my favourite game i strongly reccomend you DON'T cover the second 'running your engine' space as it suggests for 2p. The 3 pip penalty is punishment enough, and it can just become a race to that spot each round otherwise.
Oooh that's a good point. The 3 pip penalty is quite strong. We'll see what it's like uncovered the next time we play
@@BeforeYouPlayI play variant that only one of those two spaces is covered. At the start of game the yellow space is covered. At the end of each round the cover moves to the other - 3 space. It's more fun while keeping some tightness.
Wow, after all that praise Monique says they game "might make it into her top 50" 😮 What kind of superstar genious games are on her top 50 I wonder...🤔
Ah to bad you did the base game. The 5th tower is needed to make the game shine. I rate it at least a point higher with these added components.
That's great to hear! A good game made even better. We're excited to check it out
If Monique was meaner, she should have taken the harvest action away from Naveen in the last round.
She really should have lol
this or grand austria hotel?
Austria!!!!!!
Both, throw in Barrage too!
Getting some Castles of Burgundy vibes from this one. Also I wouldnt call anything after ~2007 "older" games. Lots of very relevant and amazing games made in 2016 and before. Great Western Trail, Pandemic, Castles of burgundy, 7 Wonders Duel, Brass, Feast for Odin, Concordia, Viticulture, Caverna/Agricola, Power Grid, Eclipse, Robinson Crusoe, Dominant Species, and the list goes on... personally I think modern era of board games started somewhere around 2005 and we are still in it. Most new games rehash mechanics invented in the last 20 years anyways.
first, woohoo
Im a child
Way to go champ!
@@shortydancer small pleasures in life
Making a point to introduce this as a dry euro is very poor form. You didnt say any such thing about the AWFUL Lisboa.