10 More Shades of Panzer Grey - Which Model Paint is the Most Accurate?
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- Опубліковано 19 лис 2022
- I was really happy to see how well my original panzer grey model paint comparison was received, but several of you also pointed out that I had missed several paints.
I remedy that oversight in this video, and I'll put 10 new paints through their paces and score them for historical accuracy. - Навчання та стиль
I wasn´t expecting such a video to drop today, but here it is! Cool analysis mate, a lot of work has went into that, as well as buying a lot of paint :)
Thanks! Glad some of the Revell Aqua did. alright 😀
I would add Gaia notes 221 German grey up with MRP for the top spot. It is spot on.
Another interesting video. I remember watching the original,and getting into MRP paints on the strength of your comparison. It's good to see their German Grey is still tops. 👍
Very interesting analysis. Subscribed !👍
Thank you. Glad you found it interesting, and thank you for subscribing. 😀
Panzermeister36 kindly introduced your channel.🙏
@@yattaran1484 yes, Evan has been very generous to mention me in a few of his videos.
Great video 👍
Thanks!
Vallejo also has an AFV primer that is rated RAL7021 and is darker than the model color.
Superb video again Bruce!
Exceptional usefulness!!!
I was a little hopeful for vallejo, but I had a feeling it would get panned. Happy it wasn't completely panned though haha. It's really all that I can get. 😄
However... after hearing what you said was wrong with it, it's maybe possible to fix with the right glaze.
So again... exceptionally helpful video dude!
Now do one on dunkelgelb hahahaha
Awesome Bruce! Thanks for the update! Too bad about the Vallejo 70.862. I picked some up as I mentioned last week at my “local” hs. I use quotations as it’s 3.5 hours away from home in BC. They don’t stock AK so I couldn’t pick up that too try. Going back to custom Tamiya mixes which I see you will be working on. Haha keep up the good work. Cheers 🍻
Thanks. The Vallejo isn’t that bad… maybe add a tiny bit of black and field grey?
@@brucethemodelnoob yeah I could try that.
Sorry if I'm asking this poorly, but do you suppose taking into account the effect that "smaller scale paints should be lighter" would affect these rankings?
You’re referring to what some people call the “scale colour” effect. I’m not convinced that’s really a thing… I have plans to do a video to explore the idea.
You‘re absolutely right. The effect you are hinting at is called Aerial Perspective. Authentic RAL 7021 is perfect for repainting the Lamborghini in your garage, but it would be insane to paint a small scale model of an early-war German Panzer in that colour. Authentic RAL 7021 needs to be tinted prior to painting a scale model. How much you need to tint, depends on the scale of the model. The trouble with most hobby paints is that we cannot know if they are authentic RAL 7021 (like Revell No. 9 is), or if they are pre-tinted convenience versions of RAL 7021 that already account for aerial perspective. Revell 87 "Panzer Grey" may just be such a pre-tinted convenience product. However, the trouble with pre-tinted versions of RAL 7021 is that manufacturers do not let us know if they tinted their paint for 1:35 scale or 1:72 scale models. While it may be tempting to assume that Tamiya tints their paints with 1:35 scale in mind, being a 1:35 scale model manufacturer, we cannot be sure of that.
www.miniatures.de/aerial-perspective.html
Color scale is not a thing.
You're right, there is no such thing as colour scale. The effect is known as Aerial Perspective.
I do have a book from the 90s about how real paints look too dark and toy like for scale models sizes. I’ll have to dig it out and read
Excellent follow up to the original. I love the nitty gritty you went into. The ak RC from the last test seems inconsistent, earlier batches have the blue undertines but the newer ones have more of a green undertone.
Thanks James. Yes, AK has been fiddling with their colours. In some cases it’s been for the best (like their 8012 Rotbraun primer colour), in other cases not so much (like their Elfenbein interior colour, which is now too dark).
I love this now 2 part comparison series!!! Could you please do 1 on the closest to German dark yellow (dunkelgelb)??
Thanks for the kind words. I want to do more in the series, but of course the challenge is finding good original paint samples at a decent price to compare to. I have one Dunkelgelb item, and a couple that might be Dunkelgelb Ausgabe 1944… i check eBay regularly, and hopefully some more will be available at a good price soon. 🤞
Seconded. Including some discussion on variations in Dunkelgelb over time would be very useful too.
How about the Italeri 4795ap??
Very informative video , I have numerous shades of grey in my paint box both acrylic and lacquer. There is a tendency to "Blue" your panzergrau models because it looks nice and pleasing to the eye but not accurate , so having watched this video I will cut back significantly on"Bluing" my early war German AFV's . Thanks for posting this and look forward to your next informative video.
Thanks for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed it! Ultimately it’s your choice of course, depending on the importance you place on accuracy versus artistic effect. 😀
On Tamiya, I wonder if the new IJN grays are close to the RAL 7021. I'll experiment on those myself too. Kure gray though I think could be ruled out since it's too light. Tamiya is the most available in my country, and I also like to experiment with mixes anyway. I think when you try to make variated tones of color on the tank, you are likely to mix.
Let me know how the IJN greys work out. For a custom mix try black with just a little bit of Field Grey and Medium Blue.
Professional tutorial.
I'd like to suggest another for you to consider. The only problem is getting ahold of it, as far as I can tell no-one here in the UK has received fresh stock so you may have to look around in the states for it. The company is Privateer Press and the the colour is Coal Black, under their P3 paint range. I would say that it beats(hands down in my opinion)all of the paints you rated in terms of closeness. It has a kind of unusual dark blue/slight green tint, but the dark is the dominant colour. Used over a black undercoat it gives a very good account of itself.
Thanks for the info. I’d certainly be curious to try it. It can’t beat MRP, but could equal it perhaps. It’s a perfect match. 😀
Thank you for your great video..I hoped a fellow modeler could save my headache on U-Tube,as I’m about to start a German grey Tiger.shame good ole Tamiya paint don’t do it with this colour as I found it too light.I got the Revell panzer grey and though better I think it’s still a bit light.Shame as Revells bronzegreen is a wonderful paint for Russian armor and I thought their Panzer grey would be so..I’ll be watching your next video if you have found a magic paint mix to solve this ‘Grey area’,in model paint..Thanks again and all the best from the U.K..🇬🇧🇨🇦👍
Thanks for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed it. Still working on the secret formula…
I’d be interested to mix 2 mr hobby colors to try to get the panzer gray
That might give you a good result! Give it a try and let me know how it works out. 😀
I'm curious about AK's Real Color. On the Real Color bottle labels, it says "Colors adjusted spectrum graphically to mirror reality". In their marketing speak they mention the "scale effect"...
"The paints are lightened to account for the color scale effect, which is the idea that colors become lighter and grayer over distance." So, if this scale effect is a real thing, is it even a valid goal to find a precise match to the original color?
I haven’t noticed a lot of lightening with AK Real Colors… their 7021 is a bit too light, but their 8000, 7027, and 7021 are all pretty close to real samples.
Is scale colour a thing? Over very long distances colours become lighter, less saturated and shift towards blue due to moisture and dust particles in the atmosphere, but that only works over long distances… longer than would be the case at distances replicating scales we use in modelling.
Yeah... I know what you mean. We repainted our M151a2s when I was in Germany. Even though we used the official green, black, brown , and tan ( I don't remember the official names.) our squad looked different compared to the other squads in our Platoon. .. and each was different.. We could tell which section by the vehicle colors and pattern. Regulations were that the patterns were to be the same. Many years ago they tried to maintain that but everyone got lazy about folowing the regulation pattern. I remember my CO in a Mech company didn't care if we followed the Reg Pattern but wanted all vehicules to be painted close in color and pattern.
Liked!
Will you test GAIA paint 221 RAL7021 ?
I don’t have access to Gaia paints where I live. If I see any while I’m travelling I’ll pick up a bottle. 😀
I use Tamiya Dark Gray and it works well...
Can you write the brand and name of first place. Never heard of it. Do you have something similar fir Dunkelgelb?
Its MRP Mr. Paint MRP-34 Acrylic. RAL 7021
A bit late to the party, but would Mr Hobby Aqueous H416 RLM66 Black Grey make a decent substitute for Mr Hobby Aqueous H401? They don't have that at my local hobby store and only have H416.
I’m sorry, H416 slipped through the cracks in my two testing videos, so I can’t say how accurate it is. Does your local store have any other brands?
@@brucethemodelnoob they have Vallejo Mecha, Tamiya (but no XF-63) and Mr Color (but I don't use lacquers).
@@miken8875 here’s a possibility… try Tamiya XF-1 Flat Black with a few drops of XF-65 Field Grey and a very very very tiny bit of XF-50 Field Blue.
@@brucethemodelnoob unfortunately, they're out of stock of all three of those. I do have Aqueous H32 Field Gray, Aqueous H12 Flat black, Aqueous H42 Blue Gray, and Tamiya XF-18 Intermediate Blue. I was wondering if I could incorporate a blue with any of those mixes or even H416, since Panzermeister36 used a 3 part mixture of XF-63, XF-18, and XF-1(? I think it was white) in his German Grey video.
Coming back to this to say that H416 looks very similar to H401... But I ended up covering it almost completely because of how I was painting my Tiger. Either way, I'll definitely use it for another panzer grey project.
What about xf22? I have H32 but i find it too dark...
Tamiya RLM Grey? It’s much too light, but you could use it to lighten a better matching (darker) paint if you needed a highlight colour for colour modulation. I use XF65 for that.
@@brucethemodelnoob Thanks, I learned a lot from your video. I think that in the end I will use the AK057 (I like the real colors)
Sun fade is real with grey and black.
Especially, with roofs.
Of course it is. And, if you are a German soldiers tasked with cleaning your tank, the quickest (and now punishable) way of doing that is called "abdieseln" or dieseling down. Just add diesel or gasoline to the water/detergent mix in your bucket and use a hand broom to scrub the vehicle down with that. The tank will look perfect for inspection, but dieseling down is hell on the paint.
Abdieseln may have been known by another name in World-War Two, but it was recommended practise then, escpecially for removing winter camouflage or multi-colour Tarnanstrich camouflage patterns done with dark yellow, olive green, and chocolate brown camo pastes over the vehicle base colour. Imagine what frequent Abdieseln will do to the authentic RAL 7021 Dunkelgrau paint job on your vehicle.
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Nothing like being exposed to diesel fuel.
Any modeler experiment with diseal on their finish? 😂😂😂
@@mark32092 Apart from the smell, the finish should be quite effective. Of course, the downside of the diesel-cleanser solution is that the vehicle collects a lot more dust than other vehicles which have been washed with just water and detergent.