Scotland had Dunblane, Canada had the Montreal Massacre, Australia had Port Arthur….these three western nations reacted to this gun violence and as a result of laws introduced these three nations haven’t seen the same level of gun violence since….I pray someday America just clues in….
Correlation is not causation. Northern Ireland, never brought in a hand gun ban and still has never had a mass shooting, Switzerland, Czechia, Hungary, Poland, Austria, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Italy, Malta, Bulgaria.etc etc. All haven't had mass shootings but still have relatively liberal gun laws. It's highly highly likely that these nations wouldn't have had any more gun violence if they hadnt have change their laws.
@@LG-cz6ls Firstly NI still requires EXACTLY the same licence as the Dunblane shooter had. Firearm licences as we know of today were introduced UK wide in 1968 (there were licences before that date as well). These were amended in 1987 to ban semi auto rifle centre fire (again UK wide) but the 1997 hand gun restrictions were only in Britain. As such the same laws that applied in Britain prior to Dunblane still exist and work exactly the same now as they did then in Northern Ireland. As such saying the only reason there are no mass shootings in Britain is because of the ban is heavily undermined by the fact that since 1997 there haven't also been any mass shootings in NI as well. I am a little confused by your mention of the Troubles. Firstly neither the Republicans or Loyalists applied to the police to have licences (they imported thousands and thousands of guns illegally) and the British army didn't have to. The guns they used weren't legally bought. In any case the last terrorist mass shooting was in 1994 (Greysteel Massacre) and was carried out by the Ulster Freedom Fighters with a machine gun AK47 (a gun that's never been legal in the UK and was likely provided by Israel/South African intelligence). Strangely enough they didn't have a licence for this gun!!!
Gil Scott Heron said it so well for the US, it seems,…”when other folks give up theirs, I’ll give up mine”. So glad to live in the UK and we owe so much to the activists who in the deepest of the most unimaginable grief wanted to change things for others.
I just want to add that this is NOT a media problem. I am not in any profession connected to the media however I do know that reputable, reliable, legacy media simply reports the problems, they themselves don't offer commentary on it. They bring on specialists who analyze the news and bring their spin on it. It's the same today as it was yesterday, the year before and the decades before that. This problem rests on the gun manufacturers, their lobbyists and the congress and senate who sell their souls in order to get kickbacks and re-election and the active support of the NRA. That's it. Your kids lives are up for sale so some asshole you've never met can get a quick buck and you and families are left to pick up the pieces of your shattered lives when your loved ones are killed in schools, churches, concerts and anywhere else where the shooter figures he can finally make a name for himself for becoming a record holder in the "Who killed the most people" sweepstakes. That is just pathetic.
Exactly!!!! My kid wouldn’t be going to any US school. It’s sad that they literally practice lockdown protocols!!! Sorry i feel much safer and more free not requiring a firearm! It just escalates as you all can clearly see!!!!
Exactly, in americas quest for what they call “liberty” they are inferior in every metric to most other developed nations. Healthcare, crime, guns, police force, schooling. I don’t have a second amendment, but I have no healthcare bills, free university tuition and no fear of guns.
Lynda sort of answered my question and she sees it exactly how I do. I'm in Scotland. In the UK we don't lie in bed thinking oh my god my house might get broken into tonight our house may get robbed I better go out and get myself a gun. We simply don't have that fear. We don't have that need. And we survive fine without them. Most people in the UK will have never seen a real gun never mind handled one.
Exactly, I live in the UK too, I have children to protect in my house. I would never have a gun here. Not in a million years (most House break ins happen when homeowners are not at home anyway). I never want to see or hear a gun in my lifetime
Yeah, exactly! The only time I've seen guns here in the UK (outside of museums) was after 9/11 when there were police officers at train stations holding guns - and that was a clear sign that there was something HORRIBLY wrong.
14:50 an interesting point which i think highlights the insane difference in gun culture between the US and the UK is that a 6-year-old knew how to operate a gun enough to shoot a teacher. i'm 20 and was born and raised in a post-Dunblane UK, and if you handed me a gun right now i would have no idea how to use it. i've never even seen a gun. the fact that gun culture is so normalised and so incessant in the US even as early as 6 years old is completely incomprehensible to me
there is another dimension to guns in America which doesn't exist in the UK, and that's a political one. In the UK you couldn't place a person in a particular political party based on their position on guns.
I am a part-time tutor. And strangely today me and my student from Russia talked about gun laws. Apparently Russia is similar to the US, but less people decide to buy a gun. And when I told that in Azerbaijan, where I live nobody owns a gun, she was shocked. She asked me how do we defend ourselves, but I have never needed protection. It is very safe here. No armed robberies, no shootings. I think some people own some sort of gun for hunting, people who live near the forest and stuff. But I think they go through so much to get that gun. I would give up my right to own a gun if I know that I am safe and protected in my country.
apparently despite gun laws in America for years it was only the last few decades that gun companies started using fear to sell guns, before it was hunters and people who lived in dangerous animal areas mostly and then ad campaigns switched to protect you and your family. Fear created by greed
@@Evasion381 gun business is huge in the US, therefore it is not profitable to stop all this. I wish at least they would ban some sort of gun and put harsher restrictions and limitations to own others. Thankfully we don't have guns here, I would live in fear if I knew that anybody can own a gun. Even our police don't carry guns
There are more deaths from accidental shootings than from justified shootings in the US meaning you're more likely to shoot and kill yourself or your loved ones with that gun you have for protection than you are to use it against an intruder. And if it's only there as a warning and you don't intend to actually shoot it at an intruder it's just to scare them off, then buy a sign saying you have a gun instead and spend the few hundred dollars you save on an alarm system, then you have double security. A gun for safety is properganda.
@@TheRecklessMetalheadespecially since it was written before the government had tanks and missiles, if it was to fight against a tyrannical government, it would only make sense to be on a level playing field but obviously even an RPG, hell even a suppressor is out of the question
For the life of me, I'll never be able to understand how it only took ONE mass shooting in a school to change how easy it is to aquire a gun in England, while there's dozens upon dozens of mass shootings in America every year amd nothing has been done at all I'd honestly feel scared living in America knowing everyone I passed on the street most likely had a gun and could shoot me any second for any weird reason I mean, there's already been 200+ mass shootings in America this year, and we still have 4 more months left of it!
The 1997 firearm length restrictions didn't make it harder to own a gun in England. They didn't change anything about the licencing procedure (from the 1968 firearms act). They just restricted guns under 60cm (with a simple amendment to the previous act). So the shooter would have had to have used a longer gun, that's it. The weird thing is the shooter didn't even try and hide his guns. So length wasn't an issue. It was an odd law that made no sense. Luckily the UK government are slowly year by year rolling it back and allowing more and more hand guns in England (using section 5, section 7.1 and 7.3 licences).
@@InsideOutJellyBaby Hahahahaha it's not your country. It's government policy to just not talk about things, as long as you don't see all the guns you won't be scared. Ignorance is bliss. That's basically UK gun laws for you. Especially now anyone with a 3D Printer can just print a fully working machine gun in a few hours. Compared to the US the UK has a very high political assassination/ attempt level. MPs Stephen Tims, Jo Cox, David Ames and Nigal Jones were all killed or very badly injured since the gun length restrictions. With such a high level of attacks (compared to the US) it makes sense to allow politicians or their associates to have hand guns to protect themselves. Typically they go to people with military or police experience. Unless you give hundreds of MPs 24 hour armed police protection (which is incredibly expensive) there isn't really another way. Also given that hand gun shooting is a olympic sport, if Britain wants to host multi sport international events there has to be a sporting exemption. Added to that it's pretty cruel to deny vets hand guns for humane dispatch. Added to this those involved in historical investigation need the rights to use guns (that's why their is a civilian vickers machine gun club), plus gun development is an important economic and defence issue so civilian engineers need licences to develop hand guns etc too. But as this is all quite scary. Best just forget this and stay in ignorance.
Why are you calling me ignorant? I just don't want every member of tbe UK public to have deadly weapons on their possession. I know its not my country. But I live in it. So It's a figure of speech.
These numbers have drastically increased due to mental health issues in America, if they invested in public services more than wars they wouldn't have this issue. Also division is greater than ever
I lived in the States for 3 years. 1 Month into my stay there was a school shooting, within 2 months another South African co-worker witnessed a shooting in the parking lot of a bar - a bf shot his gf in an argument. I'm from a city that's ranked like 8th in the world of murder capitals, and I was more afraid of getting shot in a first world country lol
And now it’s well over the 200 mark and over 25,000 gun violence deaths. A truly tragic situation. Meanwhile, here in the UK, not one mass shooting… since 1996.
What happens in other countries if their homes get broken into? We don't have guns, and if we used a gun against a burglar we would get arrested in the UK.
Having lived in America, and FYI I love the country and culture, there is this persistent sense of fear of threats all around you in the American psyche. Yes, you may want a gun to protect your home and family, but homes with guns are much more likely to suffer gun violence. You're depressed one night, you get into an argument, your child fights with their sibling or you. Guns change that dynamic.
One massive difference is that even before the change in gun law in the UK, you couldn't just walk into a high street shop and buy a gun, or look at a gun, or even find a gun. Anywhere. The laws were always strict. To a UK resident it seems all America is stuck in the 1800's and seem to act like it's still the wild west. Your issue are many, the availability of guns, the general attitude to guns, even the advertising of guns in the us is insane. It's a genie out a bottle you will never get back in.
I can name possibly one shop where you're likely to get one, and it's a mostly fishing shop in a tiny lil' town. Never have I seen one anywhere else to my knowledge so even if I wanted one I wouldn't know where to go offline. Which I think is good when in America it seems like it's as easy as buying milk and bread.
@@Roadent1241you don’t know how right you are. My 1st experience of how insane Americans are about their substitute penises (my name for guns) is when I went I the USA to visit family (not the 1st time) and my cousin and I went to Walmart to get some breakfast stuff. I went walking around as I needed to get some cheap trainers, and I walked past a section selling rifles… rifles where you buy veg, meat and toiletries! A guy was with his daughter, who looked between 8-10, and she wanted a pink f’ing rifle. I just stared at them absolutely dumbfounded. This was in 1998, just before Columbine. It’s crazy how Americans treat weapons of death as toys.
i live in the same council as dunblane and people have not forgotten this event, it's still talked about and that's why i'm so astounded about the shootings in america, they're so common but barely anything is done? it's really unbelievable
I remember that day. 😢 It scared the hell out of child me. Ireland isn't even connected politically to scotland but we tightened our laws for fear of something similar in the future. Britidh and irish people can get guns, you just really need to justify why you need them.
Hiya Both, UK here, you guys answered the USA's dilemma in the first 5 minutes of this output. If you as a collective, prioritise money over lives, please don't brag about being a "first nation". It was easier to ban guns in the UK because we didn't have an NRA or money-worshipping media.
It's worth pointing out, you absolutely can get a hold of guns in the UK. I met a guy a few years ago who had a hunting licence and owned a high-powered bolt action rifle. He made his own ammo. But he had to have a clean criminal record, he had to be mentally vetted, he had to be interviewed by the police, he had to have his gun storage checked by the local council, so it's truthfully not a case of "Taking away all the guns". It's just about making sure that you better have a damn good reason for owning a gun. And as you brought up wanting to protect your home with a gun, in the UK, because the prison terms for owning an illegal gun and using it in a crime are *SO* steep, people who break into houses don't carry them. Like, at all. It's the difference of maybe 1 year for breaking in to a house and 15 years for breaking into a house with a handgun. So you don't really need a gun to protect yourself like that. Most thieves choose houses with no one currently in them.
We,in Scotland, have never forgotten the shock and outrage of Dunblane. I , believe (and I'm not alone) that ; anyone who owns , or wants to own a gun, has something wrong with them which requires counseling and attention to their mental health. All of the rational and arguments put forward to defend gun ownership can be easily debunked by just a simple look at statistics. Most Europeans listen to thei "right to bare arms" argument with incredulity. To use an 18th century amendment to a constitution ( designed to muster local militia at a time when there was no police force or standing army) is a ridiculous argument.
Having a gun in the home increases the chances of dying by gun. You can't both have a gun ready for protection and responsibility store your gun safely.
here in the uk ,i had shotguns up till 4yrs ago, to hold a shotgun licence , you have police checks, home visit, access to your medical records, character witness from an approved person from a list on your application ,approved gun safe & where you're going to use it, can only hold upto 3 cartridges in a gun , any more & only up to 5, you then move up to a gun licence, same as before but extra restrictions & calibre size of bullets & how many you have & used at your range , restriction on how many you can store.
I remember Dunblane like it was last week. I was SO proud of the govt for stepping in immediately to do everything they humanly could to make a repeat event as unlikely as possible.
@@fayesouthall6604 absolutely. But the govt acted. And quickly. Flying in the face of the "but I have a God-given right to arm myself with a blunderbuss and blast squeaky & squawky things onto the table" brigade.
The thing about Dunblane is that the legally changes weren't actually about protecting children. They were about headlines. For example you can still own the gun used during the shooting Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver on the same licence the shooter had. It just has to be over 26 inches so it's a carbine (they just weld a rod on the back and make the barrel longer). It still functions exactly the same, the murderer at Dunblane wasn't concealing the gun at all either. Plus you could just hacksaw the rod and barrel in 3 minutes anyway. Also the hand lengthening law (it wasn't a hand gun ban) only happen in Britain so you can still get a hand gun in Northern Ireland, IOM etc and there isn't a border so couldn't a mass murder just get on the ferry with their legally owned gun. It was all about headlines and not common sense.
@@da90sReAlvloc But they were silly though, literally it was just about the headlines and tricking people who don't know anything about guns. The ban has had zero effect on anything. Look at Northern Ireland the safest part of the UK and lots and lots of hand guns. It's like the UK zombie knife ban. Logically and practically makes absolutely no sense but for UK laws that doesn''t seem to matter. UK is a silly place.
I lived in the next town over to Dunblane. We were sent home immediately as our Headmistress had children at that school. You know why this happened? Dunblane was PISSED!! All the little settlements around it were PISSED!! The SMPs were PISSED!! They weren’t going to take this crap again.. That’s why the laws were changed!
Because it's there for a reason, to keep the government in check. When the government wants to remove that right, it becomes a self forfilling prophesy making the 2nd ammendment even more necessary
@@davidsmith7001 How does it keep the government in check? If the government started attacking its own people they'd do it with the full force of the US military. Individuals with some puny guns might pick off a few soldiers but ultimately the government would win easily. In a true democracy you can actually change the law and culture. Brexit seemed an impossible dream, people ridiculed and dismissed for decades. Eventually the government gave in and it was implemented. No riots, no road blockades, no violence, no deaths, nothing. Only relentless political pressure by a small group eventually winning the hearts and minds of the British public. You Americans could remove general unreasonable gun ownership if there was the will and effort.
In Scotland, we had Dunblane. That was enough to end the ownership of guns. As much as I would like to see America one day, I couldnt imagine going there. I would be petrified of all these guns, and how casually people go to a store with them. The worst for me would be living in America and sending my child to school, not knowing if a shooting would take place.
I'm Scottish. Went to Florida last year and even though I knew this was a thing it was still wild to me to see police with visible guns and guns hanging up in plastic bags in Walmart next to regular groceries :(
I remember when this change happens. People could still own a gun but they had to be a member of a gun club and shoot there. They had to keep the gun at the club under lock and key or have a proper gun safe which was checked by the police at a home visit. They still had to only shoot the gun at the club. Since the law change we as a country have won several shooting medals at the Olympics so it made no difference to people using them for sport. A simple point to add for American citizens to think of, if you have a gun in the house ( just owning it) your chances of being shot are more than 10 times higher. At one point in Detroit the highest single factor in percentage points causing a complication of pregnancy was gun shot wound.
Andy Murray, the Scottish tennis player and two times Wimbledon champion, was a pupil at the school when the horrific incident occurred and he said he is still affected by it to this day.
Our first mass shooting that I can remember, was in 1987, in a place called Hungerford. One man shot and killed 16 people as he walked around the town.
My (then) todler son was in hospital having his tonsils out that day. We ummed and ahhed for ages about the dangers of surgery beforehand and it turns out that day he was safer in the operating room than he would have been if he'd been a pupil at Dunblane Primary School. ☹
Just FYI in the UK. I have never once in my life heard of someone's house getting broken into and i'm 32 and have lived for a few years in most parts of Scotland. It will definitely happen of course, but it's not something we worry about (at least in Scotland where I live). We get told to leave our car keys/handbag/important items downstairs so that if someone breaks in they take what they need and go and we're not at risk of being harmed. We all have insurance, don't you? You don't need to defend your belongings with your life by having a gun in your home.
Also UK, my parents were burgled... in the 1950s. Of course it happens but that's the only one I know of personally. I have friends across the world and haven't heard of any burglaries, or worse. My US friends - one has fought off an armed intruder in his bedroom, another has prevented two attempts at kidnapping her young son, shooting one of the kidnappers in the shoulder, and she's just a nurse at the local hospital, not a rock star or anything high profile. When I speak with her I understand why so many US are terrified of losing their guns but what I don't understand is why none of them seem to want to fix the problems that make them need to defend themselves to that degree.
@@jizzmonkey9679 I’m not denying they happen or saying I know what the rate it is increasing at is but they are far from happening regularly. Regardless of that my comment is about not needing to protect ourselves with guns in the home which people don’t have to do in the UK.
I am in a an ordinary part of the UK, and had my house broken into twice and 2 different cars stolen one recovered cos it had a tracker fitted. Not to mention petty thefts from garden shed etc. How you can be in your 30s and never heard of a house getting broken into is amazing. Obliviously those events make you anxious and angry. However, it doesn't make me thing I need an assault rifle in my life, especially if it's carried by some low life scrote that out robbing people. There is a famous case in the UK where a farmer living on his own, Tony Martin was locked up for shooting 2 burglars that broke into his house at night, as the rule at the time was they had to be upstairs for it to be considered self defence,
@@Paul-FrancisB Tony Martin had an illegally owned shotgun and shot them in the back as they were running away, he also lied in his statement and had previously told people he would shoot someone if they broke in, hiw he got away with manslaughter is mind boggling
I think the difference is deeply cultural, handgun ownership pretty much ended in Britain with the Dunblane school massacre but the UK has never had a gun culture and never anything at all like the US and the reasons for this developed over hundreds of years. The difference is so huge the most Brits can't comprehend Americans reasons for owning guns, it's like trying to explain algebra to a goldfish. It's why there have only ever been 5 mass shootings by a civilian in the UK in its entire history. Going right back to 1554 following the assassination of William the Silent in 1584 with a concealed wheellock pistol, Queen Elizabeth I, fearing assassination by Roman Catholics, banned possession of wheellock pistols in England near a royal palace in 1594. There were growing concerns in the 16th century over the use of guns and crossbows. Four acts were imposed to restrict their use in England and Wales. The first British firearm controls were introduced as part of the Vagrancy Act 1824, which was set up in a reaction against the large number of people roaming the country with weapons brought back from the Napoleonic wars. The Gun Licence Act 1870 was created to raise revenue. It required a person to obtain a licence to carry a gun outside his own property for any reason. The Pistols Act 1903 was the first to place restrictions on the sale of firearms. Titled "An Act to regulate the sale and use of Pistols or other Firearms", it was short, with just nine sections, and applied solely to pistols. The Firearms Act 1920 was partly spurred by fears of a possible surge in crime from the large number of firearms available following World War I and also fears of working-class unrest in this period. The Firearms Act 1937 incorporated various modifications to the 1920 Act based on the recommendations of a 1934 committee chaired by Sir Archibald Bodkin. The resulting legislation raised the minimum age for buying a firearm or airgun from 14 to 17, extended controls to shotguns and other smooth-bore weapons. The Firearms Act 1968 brought together all existing firearms legislation in a single statute. Disregarding minor changes, it formed the legal basis for British firearms control policy until the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 was put through Parliament in the aftermath of the 1987 Hungerford massacre. For the first time, it introduced controls for long-barrelled shotguns, in the form of Shotgun Certificates that, like Firearm Certificates, were issued by an area's chief constable in England, Scotland, and Wales. In the aftermath of the Hungerford massacre, Parliament passed the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988.[81] This confined semi-automatic and pump-action centre-fire rifles, military weapons firing explosive ammunition, short shotguns that had magazines, and elevated both pump-action and self-loading rifles to the Prohibited category. Following the Dunblane massacre, the government passed the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 and the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997, defining "short firearms" as Section 5 Prohibited Weapons, which effectively banned private possession of handguns almost completely in Great Britain. So compare this to the US you can really see why gun ownership has never really been a thing in the UK, it was a very niche interest and in 1996 there was literally no opposition or complaints about the 1996 Act - for the 99% of the population it made no difference to them and in true British fashion it seemed like a very sensible decison.
Apparently the mu*derers ashes were never released to his Mother, there were rumours he had to be dealt with at sea as no funeral director would deal with his remains. Rest in Peace to all the lives taken in Dunblane that day and all other lives taken before & since.😢
Nothing really changed after Dunblane, they stopped the police in Britain form issuing licences for guns under 26cm but the revolver used just has to be over that length. No laws at all were changed in Northern Ireland.
I’m a teacher in UK. We get a good wage but we our work load is massive (we only get paid for contact time with children; not for after school work etc). I think we have the worst work/life balance for teachers in Europe. Sadly, we also are in the midst of a teacher retention crisis.
I saw a mom in the US say she woulden’t get his little son blinking shows cause it makes him an easyer target. That broke my heart. That parents even have to think that way. Now there are a bullet proof thing to put in backpacks. Now we have seen attacks happen in other contries too. Like here in Norway a man killed 77 people. Alot of them where teens at a youth camp. It seems like the differnce is that the school shootings seems like alot of them are in their late teens. A teen with a grudge who has a gun is scary. In alot of other contries it is really hard for a teen to get a hold of any kind of firearm.
You mean Breivik? That one was brutal... and I guess every European who was old enough then remembers that one. Although stuff like that still doesnt happen often in any european country (if we dont count some of the terrorist attacks that happened by ISIS members). Thank goodness for that. And I agree... imagining a teen with a gun is crazy and scary.
@@Niki91-HR of course I mean Breivik. The only piece of Sh** that have done what he did in Norway. I know right! A teen with a gun is scary. They are moody growing humans with unfinished brains. They are usually not the best at thinking consequences.
@@karriqueen for a second I was like did something else happened that I somehow missed 🙈 I have forgotten the exact number of people he killed and hurt. He was and is a complete psychopath. Prior and after that I dont recall anything like that happening (prior at least what I can remember) excluding the terroristic attack that happened in other places for some while. Hopefully we wont have to witness such tragedy again.
@@Niki91-HR it was the worst thing that had happend here in Norway since WW2. Yeah something is seriously wrong with that man. And he always try to get back in the media. Complaining about being isolated in prison blablabla. I don’t know if his ego is so big that he don’t understand that if he where to be with other prisoners he would not live for long. I don’t blame you. There is so many attacks going on in different contries that it’s not easy to keep track of them all.
@@karriqueen I think there was on German TV something about him not long ago. I think he is so mentally ill that he cant understand what he did was wrong and that being isolated from the world is his punishment. Although that punishment isnt enough if you ask me. Other inmates would probably beat the sh*t out of him. Yeah...too much is going on...but specifically across Europe this one I remember clearly. I guess because nothing like that happened on that scale. The 1996 shooting in Britain I cant remember since I was 5 at that time. Although stuff happens in any european country but nothing that can be compared to Breivik. As long as our continent doesnt turn into what the US is in that regard we are good.
I can't imagine how frustrating and terrifying it must be to have kids in america atm when you care about gun laws. Like sending your kid off to school everyday, not only having the normal worries (I hope the other kids are nice, I hope there teachers are good, that they're getting quality education, that they feel comfortable, etc. etc.) but then also having to worry that a maniac with a gun doesn't waltz in and murder them?? Hopefully things get better there at some point, and soon.
I think something that this misses is that we had very different gun "cultures" before-hand. The major groups for shooting here were land-owners, who were largely unaffected by the legal changes, and sports shooting - so the requirement that they leave the gun at the club isn't the end of the world. We didn't have the rambo / john wayne / bruce willis culture, this gun ownership out of fear. So our laws were more about restricting sports shooting to sports shooting venues, rather than restricting people who live in fear (whether warranted or not) from owning a form of defence.
In the UK, General opinion is if we have guns in our homes for protection, an invader, burglar will show up with a gun making a bad situation even more dangerous.
I remember this day. I was in year 6 (10/11 years old) and just before we were about to say our afternoons prayers before the end of the day (catholic school), the headteacher came into our classroom and asked us to pray for the poor children who had been killed. Years later I was working as a teaching assistant and we had to run an active shooter drill, the kids were so scared and didn’t understand why anyone would want to hurt them. I almost cried telling them why we had to practice something so awful.
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The whole country was stunned and in shock over this for a long time, I stay about 40 miles from Dunblane and I remember getting on the bus for work the day it happened and you could cut the atmosphere with a knife... I mean u could literally feel it, the silence was deafening. The whole of the UK agreed this must never happen again.
But we didn't agree on the restrictions imposed, police messed up which allowed this to happen, the ammendments have done nothing to prevent someone with intent and a hacksaw doing this again. If the law was implemented correctly at the time ,he would not have had his gunsvto carry out this attack,
I'm sorry to inform you but other countries doesn't see US as a 1st world country anymore. The knowledge about the living conditions in US is so widespread now that there has been a reevaluation.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over (absolutely nothing) and over and expecting different results. Nothing will change. Freedom is children being safe in school oh and free basic healthcare...
@@davedavids57 that was gang related and an extraordinary situation as we all know hence why it was the top story on the news and talked about in such detail.
@@davedavids57 I shall repeat myself one more time. If someone breaks into your house with a gun in the UK they would be very exceptional circumstances.
The fucked up thing is that Columbine was *not* the first mass shooting at a school in the US - the Grover Cleveland Elementary School shooting of 1979, which killed 2 adults and injured 9 children, was the inspiration for the song I Don't Like Mondays by The Boomtown Rats. America has had decades to tighten its restrictions on gun ownership, but the fetishisation of gun culture, cultural illiteracy about the specifics of America's founding political doctrines and the corruption and indifference of Beltway politicians who stand to profit from gun massacres continuing to go unchecked costs thousands of lives to this day. Britain does not enshrine gun ownership or "personal defense" in its constitution and evidently didn't have a large enough gun lobby to push back on such a high profile disaster. Guns do still exist in the UK, but are far more tightly regulated. Mass shootings have occurred since Dunblane, but only a fraction as many as have occurred in the same intervening period as between Columbine and the present, and none since were as deadly. Gun crime also exists, but is not even close to being as prevalent as in America, nor are unwarranted acts of police violence and unlawful deaths committed by overarmed, undertrained, mentally ill-equipped police officers who are incentivised to use their weapons as a first response to situations where deescalation is needed, because when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I think another important part of this conversation is about policing. In the uk the vast majority of our police do not carry guns. At worst, a regular cop might carry a taser. Because the vast VAST majority of our citizens also don’t carry guns, we have far fewer incidents where cops shoot and murder unarmed innocent people (specifically black men) because cops don’t fear for their lives in the same way whenever someone makes a sudden movement. I’m not saying we DONT have racially motivated police violence, people being unfairly stopped and searched etc, we definitely do, but we have far fewer unlawful killings of civilians at the hands of the police.
Times like this I love being British. We have issues ofc but I’m so glad we have no guns, universal healthcare and no death penalty/ anti-abortion laws. When you compare other western countries like the UK/ Canada/New Zealand/ Australia with the US, it seems backwards and not very “1st world” . I truly hope American politicians wake up. We can still have patriotism and some more traditional values in our country WITHOUT them.
You nailed it when you said about the rrason you feel like you need a gun for self defense is because everyone has a gun. I dont need a gun for self protection, because the likelihood of someone coming at me with a gun is less than 1%. Throwing more guns at the gun violence problem will only exacerbate the problem. I could own gun legally in thr UK. Not any gun i fancy, because for sport i dont need a AR15 or the like. But i can 100% be a gun owner. American gun owners bang on about the second amendment, saying you cant change the constitution (its an amendment, it literally means its been changed, 27 times!), saying its because your "free", giving all the "land of the brave and free" and all thet bs. But if you need to pull out a gun to feel safe, thats not brave. And if you have to have active shooter drills in schools, hospitals, work places, your not free. If you have to choose between bankruptcy or death when it comes to health, your not free. The USA makes all these claims about freedoms and being the best, but when we look in from the outside we see a pretty backwards country im afraid.
On the break-in point: here in the uk break ins do obviously happen, but the person breaking in doesnt have a gun to harm you with, and if you did happen to have a gun and you shot the person breaking in you'd be the one going to prison. We have house alarms and fire escape windows on our second floors to alert the police and escape any danger. There is literally no incentive to own a gun for protection here unless you're a farmer protecting your livestock from foxes and the like. I have never once been scared I may be shot nor have I wanted to shoot a gun for any reason. Its just not a part of our culture.
Hunters in my country can take their gun home. But their are rules similar to Americans I think to lock the gun in a gun case and have the bullets separate. If you have a hunting license you will get random house calls to actually see if you have your guns locked up. Also to become a hunter you need several requirements to get a hunting license f.i. To obtain a hunting license, you must be at least 18 years of age and meet four other requirements: hold a hunting license, be able to prove you have hunting facilities, obtain police permission, and have hunting liability insurance. A licened hunter can own up to six weapons related for hunting freely. If he wants more he has to prove it is necessary for hunting. Any other types of guns you will not get permission to. Unless you also have a sport shooting license. Which requires other specifics. This is so lock tight people who actually want to hunt go through all this trouble to get registration you are in the system and if anything goes wrong they know immediately who you are.
I'm watching this so many months in. But as a UK residence, I can say it's alot to do with gun culture. Ordinary people don't have that mindset about guns. Plus our Police force don't carry guns. Only a specialist force, there literally has to have been a major terror incident for them to show up. But the one arguement that always came up in the USA was, we don't need to take them away, we need to equip the school, train the teachers, security. Then Uvalde shooting happened, and we all saw trained, armed police officers, standing doing nothing. The argument went out the door, but still nothing changed. They'll always be a reason, until a whole generation, with a different mindset, are in government, says no
In britain we don't fear getting shot, we don't know anyone that has a gun, unless its a licensed shotgun, we don't know anyone thats been shot at, or been shot, we don't duck and cover everytime we hear a car backfire or a firework go off.
I’m in Scotland and remember that day. I was off school and a week later we had a special remembrance assembly. I was in 1st/2nd year (so about 13yo). The kids of dunblane released a song called ‘knocking on heaven’s door’
i don't know how people can say america is the most free country in the world. freedom is not going to school each day and wondering if you'll come home again.
Andy Murray the tennis player was one of the survivors of dunblane, i've got nothing but respect for him since I found out for not letting the shooting ruin him.
I was secretary of my children’s PTA in Yorkshire when Dunblane happened in 1996. It was decided that we should send flowers and l it fell to me to go to the florist and order them. When l was asked for the address l just said: Dunblane. The florist nodded. Nothing more needed to be said.
I remember this vividly as a teenager, horrific. It was fairly rare for people to have guns before this, but this movement thankfully clamped down on it hard
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I live in Ireland. I’ve never seen a gun (except police/army in other countries I’ve visited). As a mother I cannot imagine how traumatising it must be for kids taking part in shooting DRILLS, let alone an actual school shooting. It is so wrong that small kids have to experience that. Shame.
The problem with any kind of weapon, and especially firearms, is that so many people always claim to be responsible gunowners but always forget that any human being can snap. It only depends on the conditions. Anyone, even the most docile human being may snap some day due to certain circumstances and in that case, a mass shooting can easily happen when firearms are legal and plentiful. Firearms in any society make the society uncivilized, pure and simple. Firearms in any society will never solve anything. The same is basically the case for knives, but a man person with a knife will never be able to create the same havoc as is possible with a firearm. Firearms simply don't belong in any civilized society. In a sense, only a coward would ever feel the need to own a firearm in a civilized society. Real freedom is, among other things, the knowledge that you are extremely unlikely to get killed by a firearm.
I’m in Glasgow, in Scotland. I remember collecting my 4 year old from school that day. We were in tears, it shouldn’t have been possible, it was shocking and heartbreaking and unbelievable. I’m a retired teacher. Safeguarding children is more important than enabling adults.
I'm from Scotland too. I was born in 1997 so I actually only found about this Scottish school shooting that changed the UK only a few years ago I heard Andy Murray bringing it up or someone did anyway in reference to him... I was shocked mainly because I hate America's gun laws I think it's stupid I really really do. It's like the UK say water and electricity don't mix and Americans like " let's mix"
I am from England, i remember collecting my 4 and 5 year old from school that day too. Their school changed a lot, door locks etc. I still recall the phoyos of the children's faces in the newspapers.
@@mariontanner7557 That’s a fair point, maybe I should have said I hope the *government* start to value the lives of children, although that seems unlikely considering they don’t care about their citizens on the whole
Guns can do a lot more damage than knives, much easier and much quicker. Despite this, America will never be able to get rid of guns. You can't put the genie back in that bottle. It's a crying shame.@@mariontanner7557
@@mariontanner7557 It's the same here, but few people know it. According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report -- the gold standard for such data -- there are always four to five times as many murders committed with "knives and other cutting instruments" than with rifles of any description. (This data point is just for those who wring their hands over "assault weapons" -- a meaningless term.)
What some Americans do not understand is people especially farmers have guns. Our attitudes to guns is very different. We don't associate them with strength or masculinity. Not really with personal protection. They are tools. For hunting, vermin, sport, protection. Etc. We do not have dangerous animals in the UK which maybe a factor. It should also be noted that cars can kill multiple people and in the UK it is also much much harder to get a driving licence.
Difference is cars are used to drive, but can also be used to kill. Knives are used to cut, but can also be used to kill. Any heavy or sharp object can be used as weapons really. But guns are *only* made to kill or injure. There’s no other use for them.
In the UK carrying a gun during a crime doubles the sentence, firing it doubles again, shooting someone is life unless the armed police kill you first.
@charlestaylor3027, unfortunately the given sentence is always halved in UK, unless specified that it is a full life sentence, that sadly, rarely happens in UK. 👍🌻🌻
@@thresagraham8181not technically correct; the _sentence_ isn't halved, the sentence consists of both a _prison term_ and a period released _on licence._ You are still serving your sentence if you get released _on licence._ Being released on licence is subject to good behaviour, you still have other restrictions while on licence, it is part of the rehabilitation process, and it relieves strain on the prison system.
Me and my Wife left the USA 15yrs ago and moved to the UK. Our main reasons at the time were Guns, our family safety and also Racism. Moving to the UK and bringing our kids up here was the best thing we have ever done. We have met so many other fellow Americans here in the UK during our time here and they also made the move due to the same reasons.
Guns, OK, yeah that's obvious. But tell me about the racism bit. Yes we're a lot less racist here, are you and your family black? Were you the targets of racism or did you just want to get away from it? Just curious, I've never heard anybody list that as a reason for immigrating to the UK!
Random interjection: my cousin is mixed race and was born here, but moved to the states when he was 14. He said the difference was quite stark for him.. he hadn’t really thought about the fact that he was mixed race much in the UK, but as soon as he was across the pond people kept asking ‘what are you?’ all the time. ‘British..’ he would reply (thinking they were referring to his English accent) - but he said they were always asking about his skin colour and heritage. As he got older, he then found that there was a lot of pressure to either hang out with groups of black kids or white kids. Obviously there is still racism in the UK, but the main difference he’s noted is a more obvious sense of division between the racial groups.
@@MostlyPennyCat I live and was born in England. I am a white female, my husband is mixed race. As a couple we have never talked about our skin colour, it's not a conversation we have here. It really doesn't matter. The only time we've talked about skin colour was when we had a black American visitor recently and the subject of race was brought into our home. She said it was a normal thing in America to discuss that. It isn't here and it felt uncomfortable and unwanted.
I remember that day. My daughter was about the age of these little ones. As I drove home from work and the news was unfolding I had to pull over because I was crying too hard. I looked at other motorists and could see many of them listening to the same news and I could see the sorrow and horror on face after face. I don’t know how a country can go through this and not be affected. When Sandyhook happened I was sure that was going to be the tipping point. But no. There is a hole inside many Americans. I don’t know how it happened, but something is missing in their hearts
You've absolutely hit the nail on the head with Americans (not all of them) but so many of them lacking in humanity and driven by hyper-individualism it shocks you to the core. Money is more important than human lives, just how the Tories would have it in the UK if they had their way. Thanks capitalism.
Yes! I remember that day so well. I too was driving home. I had a 1yr old and the tragedy was just too close to home for me. It was probably the last time I cried out of sorrow and empathy -all for the parents who lost their little ones.
Listening to your conversations around guns is scary to me here in the UK, the idea of a gun making you safe is completely mad to 99% of UK people. Of course we have homes broken into, but in my 70 years here l have never heard of a case of guns being used during a home break in. On average in the US about 20,000+ people are shot to death and about 1200 US citizens are shot by Police. We have an average of 5 people shot each year and are usually shot by Police connected to serious criminal activity. Police here do not carry guns and only a small number carry tasers. Cases of citizen on citizen shootings are rare here maybe one or two a year, usually connected to criminal activity. The lessons are simple, if citizens can't access guns they can't shoot each other. If police don't have guns they can't shoot citizens.......Most of Europe is similar to the UK in their attitude towards guns.
Furthermore, I understand there is legislation surrounding the keeping of guns in the US (I'm a Brit), and they need to be kept locked away in the home. No intruder will give you the time to rush to the gun cabinet, unlock it, find the ammunition and load the weapon.
Some police do carry firearms. Gun crime is rising in the UK, we just don't see it. My boss was an armed response officer.. you don't even want to know what he's seen/knows. The UK isn't all sunshine and rainbows..
@@pridedyanky You’re right, the UK isn’t perfect and there are shootings and killings but these are 98/99% between gangs. Shootings of non -gang related individuals in the UK is
Marlec.......Lies, gun crime is at 10yr high for the last 10 years.......a report by the Guardian found: The sharpest rise is in the north-east, where gun crime has more than tripled from an average of 91 firearms offences a year between 2009 and 2012, to 294 a year between 2019 and 2022. In the Cleveland police area, firearms offences have risen almost sixfold, from a yearly average of 22 to 127. Durham, Sussex, Lincolnshire, Northumbria, South Yorkshire, Norfolk and Kent police have all seen numbers more than double in 10 years. That's only England, not including all the shooting we have up here in Glasgow or over in N.Ireland.......stop spreading false narratives on the internet, and your '20,000+' statistics......that also includes suicides.......get your facts right.
@@drewlang9095 yeah, I'm from the North East. Firearms are still a small problem compared to knives. That's a serious problem. This is what most don't understand, banning firearms in the US is like trying to ban knives in the UK. It's impossible.
I think part of the issue with the ‘protection’ thing and burglary is the cultural attitude that Americans have around possessions. I’ve noticed it seems to be that they feel if someone wants to steal your stuff or come onto your property, then you should have the right to kill them or they deserve to die. Here in the UK, I wouldn’t consider that someone was breaking in to harm me. They just want my car keys or my TV. Not saying that I definitely wouldn’t try and stop them if they came in, it’s just I know it’s extremely unlikely they have a gun so why would I feel the need to have one too? If they DID bring a weapon and were desperate to escape if caught, then what’s the point in trying to stop them. I’ve got insurance, is it really worth the risk in myself or them being injured or killed for a possession that can be replaced? Personally, I don’t think so.
I live in England as well, I have seen guns before but that's mostly because my dad and brother were into guns when I was a kid, air rifle guns, if it wasn't for them, I would never have seen a gun in my entire life and I'm 43 and clearly, going on our examples, it's very rare to see guns in the UK.
I'm from Scotland, I remember when Dunblane happened. I was walking my dog up the park listening to radio on my personal stereo. Total shocker. We changed the gun laws and we've never had a school shooting again. How many has the USA had since then?
Dunblane happened before I was born. But I had the luxury of growing up in a country where I NEVER had to worry about being murdered in my class room. It was not a realistic concern. I have seen the phrase "active shooter" so many times in American headlines that, frankly, it almost feels like a biweekly event.
@@seraphinaaizen6278In Britain we have fire drills at school. In the US they have active shooter drills in their schools. Literally teaching primary school kids what to do if someone comes in to shoot children. There’s something very sick with a culture where that is considered normal.
I really thought a couple of years back that the young people of America people where getting through to the US government about gun laws but still nothing has changed. I can’t believe that the US doesn’t take action against gun laws
@@andrewburton7480 was that after the Parkland shooting. Where the teenage survivors became gun reform activists. Who were heralded across the world as young heroes. Only for the rest of the world watch in shock as they were mocked and dismissed by the grown ups in the US.
I was directly involved with the aftermath of the Dunblane shootings. Thankfully I did not lose a child, or was a child at the school, however, I was an adult involved with the services that supported the families and communities right after, and for the months and years following. Profound memories of spending days preparing for their burial, the memorial services, spending time with the families... as you can tell I'm trying not to go into detail. Finally, all I will say is that being in the school days after, seeing the location at the sports hall, just changed everything. Us Brits will never truly understand how the USA can continue to ignore the huge problem faced. Lobby groups or no, money or not, change is a must.
And being a child of that time and remembering the fear; to now being an adult - how can they continue to ignore it when it is so much worse. With no weapons of war being used, I just can't comprehend the incompetence or lack of forethought that let the bill run out. It's like the government there want the chaos and death to continue for whatever purpose?
I worked with a guy who survived it as a child, he is still deeply affected to this day. I was 9 in Edinburgh and still remember all the parents being so upset explaining what had happened and being really scared at school for a while after 💔 but nothing on the ones who lived up in Dunblane. Still heartbreaking. Thank you for supporting them at that time and after.
Hello and thankyou for reacting to the dunblane tragedy. I’m from Scotland and I remember this incident like it was yesterday. One thing that always makes me tear up is Sophie North’s dad who got the gun law changed because of the snowdrop appeal. Sophie’s mum died from cancer and before she died she made Mick North promise to keep Sophie safe so he moved to Scotland. Sophie goes to school at 5 years old and gets killed for doing nothing wrong and now he is left without a wife and daughter. Also Tennis Player Andy Murray was at this school the day of the shooting. Take care 😘 🏴🇺🇸
Strange, but I always believed that the second amendment gave all americans the right to bear arms "IF" they were forming a militia fior the purposes of defending their town/cities. NOT a carte blanche law that says you can have a gun at any time. When the American constitution was written the colonies had just won a war with Britain, so the risk of armed raiders attacking small towns or homesteads or of encounters with native Americans was still high. Hence the need for militias. Even way back then they were smart enough to see the problems that could arise from unlimited gun ownership. It seems however that nearly all americans ignore the part of the amendment that states it is for forming militias that the right to carry a gun is granted. Amazing how Americans scream about the second amendment without fully understanding it. Thoughts please. btw, I'm from the UK where we have some of the safest gun laws in the world.
I live in England and if someone breaks into my house they can take what they want, that is why we have home insurance so we can claim back for what we have lost, items can be replaced, a life cannot. I have no desire to engage an intruder in a shoot out at six paces, that ain't ending well either way.
I think this is the main difference between the two countries. In the UK people/lives are seen as more important. In the USA possessions/money is seen as more important. Obviously, there are individuals who feel differently in both countries, but when talking about the general ethos of the country as a whole, that's the difference between the two and explains the drastic differences in gun laws and many things. Many countries have the general rule of your rights end when they start to infringe on the rights of others. This is not the attitude in the USA.
Given that every year dozens of people in the UK get attacked in their own homes they aren't always interested in your possessions. There have been hundreds of cases where they have seriously hurt people either for fun or just to get stuff. It only really gets on the news when it happens to someone famous but just google it. In the US, the are thousands of cases of people defending themselves with guns. Just google it.
@@EtherealSunset Not really true. False conclusion. You are willing to sacrifice your rights -- which are not, in the US, gifts of the state which can be revoked at any time -- for an ephemeral sense of security. Your criminal class thanks you for that.
gun crime is bad but most tourists dont go to the areas where it is bad. you are very unlikely to get shot. they have 11,000 deaths in 300 MILLION people.....
It's not even just the gun laws, it's the actual mindset of a lot of Americans that puts me off, they are supposedly the most friendly people always smiling, and yet from what I've seen and heard (actually from normal sane Americans) they are the angriest people, seems to me that they use a lot of very hard drugs, they have no fear and self respect to not go to jail over the most inane things, it blows my mind.
My husband's friend was attending a Conference in America. He was dressed in a business suit when his rental car broke down. He knocked on a door to ask for help, and was shot and killed.. THROUGH the unopened door. The homeowner was exhonorated because he was "defending his property". 😢
Went to New York in 2008. Had a great time. No guns, didn't see any fights or anything. That said, there are lots of places in the US I definitely would not set foot in. NYC just seems to almost have a european sensibility - really nice friendly and amazing place to visit. Relatively cheap too. If you want to go, I'd recommend NY.
In Spain, to legally own a weapon, you have to pass psychological and medical tests and have a clean criminal record. My grandfather was a medical examiner in the 1970s, and because of his job he had a gun. When he died, they told the family that if they wanted to keep it, they had to block it, so that it could never be used again, and also give them police certificates, to show that they had it legally and that it was unusable. If they didn't, they had to hand it over to the police.
Because they have an impression of their country that makes them think they need guns to defend themselves in the first place. If you feel you are surrounded by criminals and 50% of them are out to kill you, it makes you feel only the law-abiding citizens are getting punished by gun control. Criminals gonna criminal. There are two options, either this is untrue and they are just living in fear, and gun control would work. Or it is true, in that case, they are living in a shitty hellhole.
to a very large degree, it's what they've been told. In the news, in the papers, in 'gun rallies'. They're just repeating what they've been told, by people they trust. Just as, by the way, we generally do. I can't blame them entirely.
@@michaelconnor1542 can you name which gun law that came into effect after Dunblane. Was instituted to keep guns out of the hands of minorities? Because I’m pretty sure you just made that up.
Guns are not totally banned in the UK. You can even get semi-automatic weapons legally, provided they are .22calibre. However "self defence" is not classed as a valid reason for gun ownership.
Handguns are also legal in Northern Ireland although part of that is from the retention of self defence handguns by off duty police and former security forces members. Still highly regulated though.
Semi auto shoguns are also legal in the UK. Hand guns are slowly coming back as well in Britain. The ban was only on police issued licences so the Home Offices have always been issuing hand gun licences under section 5 of the 1968 firearms act. Mainly to vets (to shoot horses etc), ex security services and after the 2012 olympics British international shooters. Some politicians have supposedly been given hand gun licences (due to the murder of MPs). There is also section 7.1 (historic hand guns that are kept at home and not fired) and section 7.3 historic hand guns that are kept at a club and fired.
I'm Scottish and live in N Ireland. A few years ago there was a little trouble outside my house around July 12th while I was on Discord. One of my American friends asked what it was about and I explained a little and he googled a bit too. He went on about how horrifying it must be to live somewhere like here and not have a gun to protect me and my family. Situation I have here is the school my son goes to is an amazing school but it is the "wrong" school for the area where I live so I do have to have him change out of his school uniform before I bring him here or I might end up chased out. It's a Catholic v Protestants thing. My response to him was "My sons teachers emergency supplies in her desk drawer are probably spare pencils and pens and maybe a bag of M&M's... NOT a combat medic pack, bullet proof vest and if a politician even hinted at arming the teachers, they'd be run out of office!" We're just fine without easy access to guns even in N Ireland.
Scotland had Dunblane, Canada had the Montreal Massacre, Australia had Port Arthur….these three western nations reacted to this gun violence and as a result of laws introduced these three nations haven’t seen the same level of gun violence since….I pray someday America just clues in….
Correlation is not causation. Northern Ireland, never brought in a hand gun ban and still has never had a mass shooting, Switzerland, Czechia, Hungary, Poland, Austria, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Italy, Malta, Bulgaria.etc etc. All haven't had mass shootings but still have relatively liberal gun laws. It's highly highly likely that these nations wouldn't have had any more gun violence if they hadnt have change their laws.
@@davedavids57 NI requires a gun licence.
And maybe you haven't heard of the (quaintly misnamed) Troubles?
@@LG-cz6ls the tweely names Troubles was a different matter.
@@LG-cz6ls Firstly NI still requires EXACTLY the same licence as the Dunblane shooter had. Firearm licences as we know of today were introduced UK wide in 1968 (there were licences before that date as well). These were amended in 1987 to ban semi auto rifle centre fire (again UK wide) but the 1997 hand gun restrictions were only in Britain. As such the same laws that applied in Britain prior to Dunblane still exist and work exactly the same now as they did then in Northern Ireland. As such saying the only reason there are no mass shootings in Britain is because of the ban is heavily undermined by the fact that since 1997 there haven't also been any mass shootings in NI as well.
I am a little confused by your mention of the Troubles. Firstly neither the Republicans or Loyalists applied to the police to have licences (they imported thousands and thousands of guns illegally) and the British army didn't have to. The guns they used weren't legally bought. In any case the last terrorist mass shooting was in 1994 (Greysteel Massacre) and was carried out by the Ulster Freedom Fighters with a machine gun AK47 (a gun that's never been legal in the UK and was likely provided by Israel/South African intelligence). Strangely enough they didn't have a licence for this gun!!!
@@davedavids57 these are exactly the mental gymnastics preventing the USA from moving forward, congrats.
Freedom is not when you can own a gun, instead freedom is when you dont need to own a gun...
Absolutely 💯 per cent right.
Just because you let psychos murder anyone they want doesn't make you better lol
Camostar, As an Australian I have way more freedom than a US citizen, and I don't own a gun or a license to hold one.
Oooh, I'm quoting that.
Comostar truth! Much love 💖🇦🇺
Gil Scott Heron said it so well for the US, it seems,…”when other folks give up theirs, I’ll give up mine”. So glad to live in the UK and we owe so much to the activists who in the deepest of the most unimaginable grief wanted to change things for others.
Listening to you both omg ! FREEDOM is when I don't need a gun and when I don't loose a house cause you need cancer treatment !!!
I just want to add that this is NOT a media problem. I am not in any profession connected to the media however I do know that reputable, reliable, legacy media simply reports the problems, they themselves don't offer commentary on it. They bring on specialists who analyze the news and bring their spin on it. It's the same today as it was yesterday, the year before and the decades before that. This problem rests on the gun manufacturers, their lobbyists and the congress and senate who sell their souls in order to get kickbacks and re-election and the active support of the NRA. That's it. Your kids lives are up for sale so some asshole you've never met can get a quick buck and you and families are left to pick up the pieces of your shattered lives when your loved ones are killed in schools, churches, concerts and anywhere else where the shooter figures he can finally make a name for himself for becoming a record holder in the "Who killed the most people" sweepstakes. That is just pathetic.
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Exactly!!!! My kid wouldn’t be going to any US school. It’s sad that they literally practice lockdown protocols!!!
Sorry i feel much safer and more free not requiring a firearm! It just escalates as you all can clearly see!!!!
Exactly, in americas quest for what they call “liberty” they are inferior in every metric to most other developed nations. Healthcare, crime, guns, police force, schooling. I don’t have a second amendment, but I have no healthcare bills, free university tuition and no fear of guns.
Not only UK, but also Australia and recently New Zealand introduced strict gunlaws after mass shootings
There's been over 200+ in America already this year. And they still haven't done anything to prevent more mass shootings from happening
Yer you have absolutely no idea what gun laws in Australia and New Zealand are do you? :p
And Canada 🇨🇦
@@Dee-JayW More countries should ban weapons tbh
Less people would needlessly die every year!
Lynda sort of answered my question and she sees it exactly how I do. I'm in Scotland. In the UK we don't lie in bed thinking oh my god my house might get broken into tonight our house may get robbed I better go out and get myself a gun. We simply don't have that fear. We don't have that need. And we survive fine without them. Most people in the UK will have never seen a real gun never mind handled one.
Exactly, I live in the UK too, I have children to protect in my house. I would never have a gun here. Not in a million years (most House break ins happen when homeowners are not at home anyway). I never want to see or hear a gun in my lifetime
Yeah, exactly! The only time I've seen guns here in the UK (outside of museums) was after 9/11 when there were police officers at train stations holding guns - and that was a clear sign that there was something HORRIBLY wrong.
It seems like the USA is all about ‘my freedom to do what is best for me’, other countries are ‘my freedom to do what is best for everyone’
14:50 an interesting point which i think highlights the insane difference in gun culture between the US and the UK is that a 6-year-old knew how to operate a gun enough to shoot a teacher. i'm 20 and was born and raised in a post-Dunblane UK, and if you handed me a gun right now i would have no idea how to use it. i've never even seen a gun. the fact that gun culture is so normalised and so incessant in the US even as early as 6 years old is completely incomprehensible to me
there is another dimension to guns in America which doesn't exist in the UK, and that's a political one. In the UK you couldn't place a person in a particular political party based on their position on guns.
Same with healthcare, they aren't political issues here just something thats agreed on by everyone
I am a part-time tutor. And strangely today me and my student from Russia talked about gun laws. Apparently Russia is similar to the US, but less people decide to buy a gun. And when I told that in Azerbaijan, where I live nobody owns a gun, she was shocked. She asked me how do we defend ourselves, but I have never needed protection. It is very safe here. No armed robberies, no shootings. I think some people own some sort of gun for hunting, people who live near the forest and stuff. But I think they go through so much to get that gun.
I would give up my right to own a gun if I know that I am safe and protected in my country.
apparently despite gun laws in America for years it was only the last few decades that gun companies started using fear to sell guns, before it was hunters and people who lived in dangerous animal areas mostly and then ad campaigns switched to protect you and your family. Fear created by greed
@@Evasion381 gun business is huge in the US, therefore it is not profitable to stop all this. I wish at least they would ban some sort of gun and put harsher restrictions and limitations to own others. Thankfully we don't have guns here, I would live in fear if I knew that anybody can own a gun. Even our police don't carry guns
That's how it is in England, we don't need guns to defend ourselves because we already feel safe, this is real freedom
There are more deaths from accidental shootings than from justified shootings in the US meaning you're more likely to shoot and kill yourself or your loved ones with that gun you have for protection than you are to use it against an intruder. And if it's only there as a warning and you don't intend to actually shoot it at an intruder it's just to scare them off, then buy a sign saying you have a gun instead and spend the few hundred dollars you save on an alarm system, then you have double security. A gun for safety is properganda.
As an American who is Anti-guns, I agreed. The Second Amendment never makes sense to me.
@@TheRecklessMetalheadespecially since it was written before the government had tanks and missiles, if it was to fight against a tyrannical government, it would only make sense to be on a level playing field but obviously even an RPG, hell even a suppressor is out of the question
For the life of me, I'll never be able to understand how it only took ONE mass shooting in a school to change how easy it is to aquire a gun in England, while there's dozens upon dozens of mass shootings in America every year amd nothing has been done at all
I'd honestly feel scared living in America knowing everyone I passed on the street most likely had a gun and could shoot me any second for any weird reason
I mean, there's already been 200+ mass shootings in America this year, and we still have 4 more months left of it!
The 1997 firearm length restrictions didn't make it harder to own a gun in England. They didn't change anything about the licencing procedure (from the 1968 firearms act). They just restricted guns under 60cm (with a simple amendment to the previous act). So the shooter would have had to have used a longer gun, that's it. The weird thing is the shooter didn't even try and hide his guns. So length wasn't an issue. It was an odd law that made no sense. Luckily the UK government are slowly year by year rolling it back and allowing more and more hand guns in England (using section 5, section 7.1 and 7.3 licences).
@@davedavids57 Luckily? I dontvwant more public walking around with guns in their pockets in my country.
@@InsideOutJellyBaby Hahahahaha it's not your country. It's government policy to just not talk about things, as long as you don't see all the guns you won't be scared. Ignorance is bliss. That's basically UK gun laws for you. Especially now anyone with a 3D Printer can just print a fully working machine gun in a few hours. Compared to the US the UK has a very high political assassination/ attempt level. MPs Stephen Tims, Jo Cox, David Ames and Nigal Jones were all killed or very badly injured since the gun length restrictions. With such a high level of attacks (compared to the US) it makes sense to allow politicians or their associates to have hand guns to protect themselves. Typically they go to people with military or police experience. Unless you give hundreds of MPs 24 hour armed police protection (which is incredibly expensive) there isn't really another way. Also given that hand gun shooting is a olympic sport, if Britain wants to host multi sport international events there has to be a sporting exemption. Added to that it's pretty cruel to deny vets hand guns for humane dispatch. Added to this those involved in historical investigation need the rights to use guns (that's why their is a civilian vickers machine gun club), plus gun development is an important economic and defence issue so civilian engineers need licences to develop hand guns etc too. But as this is all quite scary. Best just forget this and stay in ignorance.
Why are you calling me ignorant? I just don't want every member of tbe UK public to have deadly weapons on their possession. I know its not my country. But I live in it. So It's a figure of speech.
These numbers have drastically increased due to mental health issues in America, if they invested in public services more than wars they wouldn't have this issue. Also division is greater than ever
I lived in the States for 3 years. 1 Month into my stay there was a school shooting, within 2 months another South African co-worker witnessed a shooting in the parking lot of a bar - a bf shot his gf in an argument. I'm from a city that's ranked like 8th in the world of murder capitals, and I was more afraid of getting shot in a first world country lol
The first world is dangerous. I'd feel safer in most of the middle East compared to London
So far in 2023 there has been 39 mass shootings in America, today is January 27th! That’s just crazy and so sad! Love from across the pond ❤️😢🙏
That many that's f***ed up
Till now in 2023 the US has had 249 mass shootings ( where 4 or more people were shot) the uk has had zero
And now it’s well over the 200 mark and over 25,000 gun violence deaths. A truly tragic situation. Meanwhile, here in the UK, not one mass shooting… since 1996.
470 mass shootings across the US so far this year now. in the last week, there have been 18 @@Heathen.Deity.
What happens in other countries if their homes get broken into? We don't have guns, and if we used a gun against a burglar we would get arrested in the UK.
Having lived in America, and FYI I love the country and culture, there is this persistent sense of fear of threats all around you in the American psyche. Yes, you may want a gun to protect your home and family, but homes with guns are much more likely to suffer gun violence. You're depressed one night, you get into an argument, your child fights with their sibling or you. Guns change that dynamic.
One massive difference is that even before the change in gun law in the UK, you couldn't just walk into a high street shop and buy a gun, or look at a gun, or even find a gun. Anywhere. The laws were always strict. To a UK resident it seems all America is stuck in the 1800's and seem to act like it's still the wild west. Your issue are many, the availability of guns, the general attitude to guns, even the advertising of guns in the us is insane. It's a genie out a bottle you will never get back in.
I can name possibly one shop where you're likely to get one, and it's a mostly fishing shop in a tiny lil' town. Never have I seen one anywhere else to my knowledge so even if I wanted one I wouldn't know where to go offline.
Which I think is good when in America it seems like it's as easy as buying milk and bread.
@@Roadent1241you don’t know how right you are. My 1st experience of how insane Americans are about their substitute penises (my name for guns) is when I went I the USA to visit family (not the 1st time) and my cousin and I went to Walmart to get some breakfast stuff. I went walking around as I needed to get some cheap trainers, and I walked past a section selling rifles… rifles where you buy veg, meat and toiletries! A guy was with his daughter, who looked between 8-10, and she wanted a pink f’ing rifle. I just stared at them absolutely dumbfounded. This was in 1998, just before Columbine. It’s crazy how Americans treat weapons of death as toys.
i live in the same council as dunblane and people have not forgotten this event, it's still talked about and that's why i'm so astounded about the shootings in america, they're so common but barely anything is done? it's really unbelievable
I remember that day. 😢 It scared the hell out of child me.
Ireland isn't even connected politically to scotland but we tightened our laws for fear of something similar in the future. Britidh and irish people can get guns, you just really need to justify why you need them.
Hiya Both, UK here, you guys answered the USA's dilemma in the first 5 minutes of this output. If you as a collective, prioritise money over lives, please don't brag about being a "first nation". It was easier to ban guns in the UK because we didn't have an NRA or money-worshipping media.
It's worth pointing out, you absolutely can get a hold of guns in the UK. I met a guy a few years ago who had a hunting licence and owned a high-powered bolt action rifle. He made his own ammo. But he had to have a clean criminal record, he had to be mentally vetted, he had to be interviewed by the police, he had to have his gun storage checked by the local council, so it's truthfully not a case of "Taking away all the guns". It's just about making sure that you better have a damn good reason for owning a gun.
And as you brought up wanting to protect your home with a gun, in the UK, because the prison terms for owning an illegal gun and using it in a crime are *SO* steep, people who break into houses don't carry them. Like, at all. It's the difference of maybe 1 year for breaking in to a house and 15 years for breaking into a house with a handgun. So you don't really need a gun to protect yourself like that. Most thieves choose houses with no one currently in them.
We,in Scotland, have never forgotten the shock and outrage of Dunblane. I , believe (and I'm not alone) that ; anyone who owns , or wants to own a gun, has something wrong with them which requires counseling and attention to their mental health. All of the rational and arguments put forward to defend gun ownership can be easily debunked by just a simple look at statistics. Most Europeans listen to thei "right to bare arms" argument with incredulity. To use an 18th century amendment to a constitution ( designed to muster local militia at a time when there was no police force or standing army) is a ridiculous argument.
Having a gun in the home increases the chances of dying by gun. You can't both have a gun ready for protection and responsibility store your gun safely.
here in the uk ,i had shotguns up till 4yrs ago, to hold a shotgun licence , you have police checks, home visit, access to your medical records, character witness from an approved person from a list on your application ,approved gun safe & where you're going to use it, can only hold upto 3 cartridges in a gun , any more & only up to 5, you then move up to a gun licence, same as before but extra restrictions & calibre size of bullets & how many you have & used at your range , restriction on how many you can store.
I remember Dunblane like it was last week. I was SO proud of the govt for stepping in immediately to do everything they humanly could to make a repeat event as unlikely as possible.
It was pressure from parents from dunblane
@@fayesouthall6604 absolutely. But the govt acted. And quickly. Flying in the face of the "but I have a God-given right to arm myself with a blunderbuss and blast squeaky & squawky things onto the table" brigade.
The thing about Dunblane is that the legally changes weren't actually about protecting children. They were about headlines. For example you can still own the gun used during the shooting Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver on the same licence the shooter had. It just has to be over 26 inches so it's a carbine (they just weld a rod on the back and make the barrel longer). It still functions exactly the same, the murderer at Dunblane wasn't concealing the gun at all either. Plus you could just hacksaw the rod and barrel in 3 minutes anyway. Also the hand lengthening law (it wasn't a hand gun ban) only happen in Britain so you can still get a hand gun in Northern Ireland, IOM etc and there isn't a border so couldn't a mass murder just get on the ferry with their legally owned gun. It was all about headlines and not common sense.
@@davedavids57 the main point is they were done
@@da90sReAlvloc But they were silly though, literally it was just about the headlines and tricking people who don't know anything about guns. The ban has had zero effect on anything. Look at Northern Ireland the safest part of the UK and lots and lots of hand guns. It's like the UK zombie knife ban. Logically and practically makes absolutely no sense but for UK laws that doesn''t seem to matter. UK is a silly place.
I lived in the next town over to Dunblane. We were sent home immediately as our Headmistress had children at that school. You know why this happened? Dunblane was PISSED!! All the little settlements around it were PISSED!! The SMPs were PISSED!! They weren’t going to take this crap again.. That’s why the laws were changed!
When people insist their constitutional rights cannot be taken away, I wonder if anyone ever told them the meaning of the word amendment.
Exactly they act like it’s something that can’t change 😂
Because it's there for a reason, to keep the government in check. When the government wants to remove that right, it becomes a self forfilling prophesy making the 2nd ammendment even more necessary
@@davidsmith7001 How does it keep the government in check? If the government started attacking its own people they'd do it with the full force of the US military. Individuals with some puny guns might pick off a few soldiers but ultimately the government would win easily. In a true democracy you can actually change the law and culture. Brexit seemed an impossible dream, people ridiculed and dismissed for decades. Eventually the government gave in and it was implemented. No riots, no road blockades, no violence, no deaths, nothing. Only relentless political pressure by a small group eventually winning the hearts and minds of the British public. You Americans could remove general unreasonable gun ownership if there was the will and effort.
The 18th amendment was about alcohol being illegal and they changed that one
@@davidsmith7001it was written before the government had missiles and tanks, good luck taking them on now 😂
After Dunblane any politician who sent thoughts and prayers would have been out of a job at the next election.
In Scotland, we had Dunblane. That was enough to end the ownership of guns. As much as I would like to see America one day, I couldnt imagine going there. I would be petrified of all these guns, and how casually people go to a store with them. The worst for me would be living in America and sending my child to school, not knowing if a shooting would take place.
I'm Scottish. Went to Florida last year and even though I knew this was a thing it was still wild to me to see police with visible guns and guns hanging up in plastic bags in Walmart next to regular groceries :(
I remember when this change happens. People could still own a gun but they had to be a member of a gun club and shoot there. They had to keep the gun at the club under lock and key or have a proper gun safe which was checked by the police at a home visit. They still had to only shoot the gun at the club. Since the law change we as a country have won several shooting medals at the Olympics so it made no difference to people using them for sport.
A simple point to add for American citizens to think of, if you have a gun in the house ( just owning it) your chances of being shot are more than 10 times higher. At one point in Detroit the highest single factor in percentage points causing a complication of pregnancy was gun shot wound.
Andy Murray, the Scottish tennis player and two times Wimbledon champion, was a pupil at the school when the horrific incident occurred and he said he is still affected by it to this day.
Our first mass shooting that I can remember, was in 1987, in a place called Hungerford. One man shot and killed 16 people as he walked around the town.
My (then) todler son was in hospital having his tonsils out that day. We ummed and ahhed for ages about the dangers of surgery beforehand and it turns out that day he was safer in the operating room than he would have been if he'd been a pupil at Dunblane Primary School. ☹
Just FYI in the UK. I have never once in my life heard of someone's house getting broken into and i'm 32 and have lived for a few years in most parts of Scotland. It will definitely happen of course, but it's not something we worry about (at least in Scotland where I live). We get told to leave our car keys/handbag/important items downstairs so that if someone breaks in they take what they need and go and we're not at risk of being harmed. We all have insurance, don't you? You don't need to defend your belongings with your life by having a gun in your home.
Also UK, my parents were burgled... in the 1950s. Of course it happens but that's the only one I know of personally. I have friends across the world and haven't heard of any burglaries, or worse. My US friends - one has fought off an armed intruder in his bedroom, another has prevented two attempts at kidnapping her young son, shooting one of the kidnappers in the shoulder, and she's just a nurse at the local hospital, not a rock star or anything high profile. When I speak with her I understand why so many US are terrified of losing their guns but what I don't understand is why none of them seem to want to fix the problems that make them need to defend themselves to that degree.
My job is repairing damage caused nin burglaries, they do happen regularly and are spreading out to more rural areas over the last few years
@@jizzmonkey9679 I’m not denying they happen or saying I know what the rate it is increasing at is but they are far from happening regularly. Regardless of that my comment is about not needing to protect ourselves with guns in the home which people don’t have to do in the UK.
I am in a an ordinary part of the UK, and had my house broken into twice and 2 different cars stolen one recovered cos it had a tracker fitted. Not to mention petty thefts from garden shed etc. How you can be in your 30s and never heard of a house getting broken into is amazing. Obliviously those events make you anxious and angry. However, it doesn't make me thing I need an assault rifle in my life, especially if it's carried by some low life scrote that out robbing people. There is a famous case in the UK where a farmer living on his own, Tony Martin was locked up for shooting 2 burglars that broke into his house at night, as the rule at the time was they had to be upstairs for it to be considered self defence,
@@Paul-FrancisB Tony Martin had an illegally owned shotgun and shot them in the back as they were running away, he also lied in his statement and had previously told people he would shoot someone if they broke in, hiw he got away with manslaughter is mind boggling
I think the difference is deeply cultural, handgun ownership pretty much ended in Britain with the Dunblane school massacre but the UK has never had a gun culture and never anything at all like the US and the reasons for this developed over hundreds of years. The difference is so huge the most Brits can't comprehend Americans reasons for owning guns, it's like trying to explain algebra to a goldfish. It's why there have only ever been 5 mass shootings by a civilian in the UK in its entire history.
Going right back to 1554 following the assassination of William the Silent in 1584 with a concealed wheellock pistol, Queen Elizabeth I, fearing assassination by Roman Catholics, banned possession of wheellock pistols in England near a royal palace in 1594.
There were growing concerns in the 16th century over the use of guns and crossbows. Four acts were imposed to restrict their use in England and Wales.
The first British firearm controls were introduced as part of the Vagrancy Act 1824, which was set up in a reaction against the large number of people roaming the country with weapons brought back from the Napoleonic wars.
The Gun Licence Act 1870 was created to raise revenue. It required a person to obtain a licence to carry a gun outside his own property for any reason.
The Pistols Act 1903 was the first to place restrictions on the sale of firearms. Titled "An Act to regulate the sale and use of Pistols or other Firearms", it was short, with just nine sections, and applied solely to pistols.
The Firearms Act 1920 was partly spurred by fears of a possible surge in crime from the large number of firearms available following World War I and also fears of working-class unrest in this period.
The Firearms Act 1937 incorporated various modifications to the 1920 Act based on the recommendations of a 1934 committee chaired by Sir Archibald Bodkin. The resulting legislation raised the minimum age for buying a firearm or airgun from 14 to 17, extended controls to shotguns and other smooth-bore weapons.
The Firearms Act 1968 brought together all existing firearms legislation in a single statute. Disregarding minor changes, it formed the legal basis for British firearms control policy until the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 was put through Parliament in the aftermath of the 1987 Hungerford massacre. For the first time, it introduced controls for long-barrelled shotguns, in the form of Shotgun Certificates that, like Firearm Certificates, were issued by an area's chief constable in England, Scotland, and Wales.
In the aftermath of the Hungerford massacre, Parliament passed the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988.[81] This confined semi-automatic and pump-action centre-fire rifles, military weapons firing explosive ammunition, short shotguns that had magazines, and elevated both pump-action and self-loading rifles to the Prohibited category.
Following the Dunblane massacre, the government passed the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 and the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997, defining "short firearms" as Section 5 Prohibited Weapons, which effectively banned private possession of handguns almost completely in Great Britain.
So compare this to the US you can really see why gun ownership has never really been a thing in the UK, it was a very niche interest and in 1996 there was literally no opposition or complaints about the 1996 Act - for the 99% of the population it made no difference to them and in true British fashion it seemed like a very sensible decison.
Apparently the mu*derers ashes were never released to his Mother, there were rumours he had to be dealt with at sea as no funeral director would deal with his remains.
Rest in Peace to all the lives taken in Dunblane that day and all other lives taken before & since.😢
It,s not just the UK.who have managed to legislate against guns after a mass shooting,Australia and New Zealand have done the same as well.
I'm from the UK and I remember when this happened in Scotland and I totally agree with the ban on guns here in the UK.
Nothing really changed after Dunblane, they stopped the police in Britain form issuing licences for guns under 26cm but the revolver used just has to be over that length. No laws at all were changed in Northern Ireland.
I’m a teacher in UK. We get a good wage but we our work load is massive (we only get paid for contact time with children; not for after school work etc). I think we have the worst work/life balance for teachers in Europe. Sadly, we also are in the midst of a teacher retention crisis.
I saw a mom in the US say she woulden’t get his little son blinking shows cause it makes him an easyer target. That broke my heart. That parents even have to think that way. Now there are a bullet proof thing to put in backpacks. Now we have seen attacks happen in other contries too. Like here in Norway a man killed 77 people. Alot of them where teens at a youth camp. It seems like the differnce is that the school shootings seems like alot of them are in their late teens. A teen with a grudge who has a gun is scary. In alot of other contries it is really hard for a teen to get a hold of any kind of firearm.
You mean Breivik? That one was brutal... and I guess every European who was old enough then remembers that one. Although stuff like that still doesnt happen often in any european country (if we dont count some of the terrorist attacks that happened by ISIS members). Thank goodness for that.
And I agree... imagining a teen with a gun is crazy and scary.
@@Niki91-HR of course I mean Breivik. The only piece of Sh** that have done what he did in Norway. I know right! A teen with a gun is scary. They are moody growing humans with unfinished brains. They are usually not the best at thinking consequences.
@@karriqueen for a second I was like did something else happened that I somehow missed 🙈 I have forgotten the exact number of people he killed and hurt. He was and is a complete psychopath. Prior and after that I dont recall anything like that happening (prior at least what I can remember) excluding the terroristic attack that happened in other places for some while. Hopefully we wont have to witness such tragedy again.
@@Niki91-HR it was the worst thing that had happend here in Norway since WW2. Yeah something is seriously wrong with that man. And he always try to get back in the media. Complaining about being isolated in prison blablabla. I don’t know if his ego is so big that he don’t understand that if he where to be with other prisoners he would not live for long. I don’t blame you. There is so many attacks going on in different contries that it’s not easy to keep track of them all.
@@karriqueen I think there was on German TV something about him not long ago.
I think he is so mentally ill that he cant understand what he did was wrong and that being isolated from the world is his punishment. Although that punishment isnt enough if you ask me. Other inmates would probably beat the sh*t out of him.
Yeah...too much is going on...but specifically across Europe this one I remember clearly. I guess because nothing like that happened on that scale. The 1996 shooting in Britain I cant remember since I was 5 at that time. Although stuff happens in any european country but nothing that can be compared to Breivik. As long as our continent doesnt turn into what the US is in that regard we are good.
I can't imagine how frustrating and terrifying it must be to have kids in america atm when you care about gun laws. Like sending your kid off to school everyday, not only having the normal worries (I hope the other kids are nice, I hope there teachers are good, that they're getting quality education, that they feel comfortable, etc. etc.) but then also having to worry that a maniac with a gun doesn't waltz in and murder them??
Hopefully things get better there at some point, and soon.
I think something that this misses is that we had very different gun "cultures" before-hand. The major groups for shooting here were land-owners, who were largely unaffected by the legal changes, and sports shooting - so the requirement that they leave the gun at the club isn't the end of the world. We didn't have the rambo / john wayne / bruce willis culture, this gun ownership out of fear. So our laws were more about restricting sports shooting to sports shooting venues, rather than restricting people who live in fear (whether warranted or not) from owning a form of defence.
In the UK, General opinion is if we have guns in our homes for protection, an invader, burglar will show up with a gun making a bad situation even more dangerous.
I remember this day. I was in year 6 (10/11 years old) and just before we were about to say our afternoons prayers before the end of the day (catholic school), the headteacher came into our classroom and asked us to pray for the poor children who had been killed. Years later I was working as a teaching assistant and we had to run an active shooter drill, the kids were so scared and didn’t understand why anyone would want to hurt them. I almost cried telling them why we had to practice something so awful.
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The whole country was stunned and in shock over this for a long time, I stay about 40 miles from Dunblane and I remember getting on the bus for work the day it happened and you could cut the atmosphere with a knife... I mean u could literally feel it, the silence was deafening. The whole of the UK agreed this must never happen again.
But we didn't agree on the restrictions imposed, police messed up which allowed this to happen, the ammendments have done nothing to prevent someone with intent and a hacksaw doing this again.
If the law was implemented correctly at the time ,he would not have had his gunsvto carry out this attack,
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I'm sorry to inform you but other countries doesn't see US as a 1st world country anymore.
The knowledge about the living conditions in US is so widespread now that there has been a reevaluation.
Over 25,000 gun deaths so far this year in the US. And something like 420 mass shootings this year. This is the highest since the late 90s.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over (absolutely nothing) and over and expecting different results. Nothing will change. Freedom is children being safe in school oh and free basic healthcare...
In the uk if someone breaks into your home they won’t be armed with a gun! It would be an extraordinary situation if they were!
Perhaps tell that to the mother of Olivia Pratt-Korbel?
@@davedavids57 that was gang related and an extraordinary situation as we all know hence why it was the top story on the news and talked about in such detail.
@@aquablushgirl Oh so you meant "in the uk if someone breaks into your home they won’t be armed with a gun! Well unless they're in a gang"
@@davedavids57 I shall repeat myself one more time. If someone breaks into your house with a gun in the UK they would be very exceptional circumstances.
I’m from Stirling which is a 10 minute drive from Dunblane, everyone still talks about the Dunblane massacre to this day
The fucked up thing is that Columbine was *not* the first mass shooting at a school in the US - the Grover Cleveland Elementary School shooting of 1979, which killed 2 adults and injured 9 children, was the inspiration for the song I Don't Like Mondays by The Boomtown Rats. America has had decades to tighten its restrictions on gun ownership, but the fetishisation of gun culture, cultural illiteracy about the specifics of America's founding political doctrines and the corruption and indifference of Beltway politicians who stand to profit from gun massacres continuing to go unchecked costs thousands of lives to this day. Britain does not enshrine gun ownership or "personal defense" in its constitution and evidently didn't have a large enough gun lobby to push back on such a high profile disaster. Guns do still exist in the UK, but are far more tightly regulated. Mass shootings have occurred since Dunblane, but only a fraction as many as have occurred in the same intervening period as between Columbine and the present, and none since were as deadly. Gun crime also exists, but is not even close to being as prevalent as in America, nor are unwarranted acts of police violence and unlawful deaths committed by overarmed, undertrained, mentally ill-equipped police officers who are incentivised to use their weapons as a first response to situations where deescalation is needed, because when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I think another important part of this conversation is about policing. In the uk the vast majority of our police do not carry guns. At worst, a regular cop might carry a taser. Because the vast VAST majority of our citizens also don’t carry guns, we have far fewer incidents where cops shoot and murder unarmed innocent people (specifically black men) because cops don’t fear for their lives in the same way whenever someone makes a sudden movement.
I’m not saying we DONT have racially motivated police violence, people being unfairly stopped and searched etc, we definitely do, but we have far fewer unlawful killings of civilians at the hands of the police.
Times like this I love being British. We have issues ofc but I’m so glad we have no guns, universal healthcare and no death penalty/ anti-abortion laws. When you compare other western countries like the UK/ Canada/New Zealand/ Australia with the US, it seems backwards and not very “1st world” . I truly hope American politicians wake up. We can still have patriotism and some more traditional values in our country WITHOUT them.
As someone described it to me, the US is a 3rd world country wearing a Rolex watch ;)
Andy Murray 2 times winner of Mens singles at Wimbledon was one of the survivors at Dunblane.
You nailed it when you said about the rrason you feel like you need a gun for self defense is because everyone has a gun. I dont need a gun for self protection, because the likelihood of someone coming at me with a gun is less than 1%. Throwing more guns at the gun violence problem will only exacerbate the problem.
I could own gun legally in thr UK. Not any gun i fancy, because for sport i dont need a AR15 or the like. But i can 100% be a gun owner. American gun owners bang on about the second amendment, saying you cant change the constitution (its an amendment, it literally means its been changed, 27 times!), saying its because your "free", giving all the "land of the brave and free" and all thet bs. But if you need to pull out a gun to feel safe, thats not brave. And if you have to have active shooter drills in schools, hospitals, work places, your not free. If you have to choose between bankruptcy or death when it comes to health, your not free. The USA makes all these claims about freedoms and being the best, but when we look in from the outside we see a pretty backwards country im afraid.
On the break-in point: here in the uk break ins do obviously happen, but the person breaking in doesnt have a gun to harm you with, and if you did happen to have a gun and you shot the person breaking in you'd be the one going to prison. We have house alarms and fire escape windows on our second floors to alert the police and escape any danger.
There is literally no incentive to own a gun for protection here unless you're a farmer protecting your livestock from foxes and the like. I have never once been scared I may be shot nor have I wanted to shoot a gun for any reason. Its just not a part of our culture.
I live in the UK, my wife has shotguns on a liscence. I have never even seen them much less used them. They are locked up in a gun safe in pieces.
Hunters in my country can take their gun home. But their are rules similar to Americans I think to lock the gun in a gun case and have the bullets separate. If you have a hunting license you will get random house calls to actually see if you have your guns locked up. Also to become a hunter you need several requirements to get a hunting license f.i. To obtain a hunting license, you must be at least 18 years of age and meet four other requirements: hold a hunting license, be able to prove you have hunting facilities, obtain police permission, and have hunting liability insurance. A licened hunter can own up to six weapons related for hunting freely. If he wants more he has to prove it is necessary for hunting. Any other types of guns you will not get permission to. Unless you also have a sport shooting license. Which requires other specifics. This is so lock tight people who actually want to hunt go through all this trouble to get registration you are in the system and if anything goes wrong they know immediately who you are.
I'm watching this so many months in. But as a UK residence, I can say it's alot to do with gun culture. Ordinary people don't have that mindset about guns. Plus our Police force don't carry guns. Only a specialist force, there literally has to have been a major terror incident for them to show up. But the one arguement that always came up in the USA was, we don't need to take them away, we need to equip the school, train the teachers, security. Then Uvalde shooting happened, and we all saw trained, armed police officers, standing doing nothing. The argument went out the door, but still nothing changed. They'll always be a reason, until a whole generation, with a different mindset, are in government, says no
Might be shocked to know that most police in UK don't carry fire arms. Have armed response units and stuff but average police carry mace and a stick.
In britain we don't fear getting shot, we don't know anyone that has a gun, unless its a licensed shotgun, we don't know anyone thats been shot at, or been shot, we don't duck and cover everytime we hear a car backfire or a firework go off.
The tennis player Andy Murrey was a pupil at Dunblane School during the shooting. He has spoken about how he hid in a cupboard.
I’m in Scotland and remember that day. I was off school and a week later we had a special remembrance assembly. I was in 1st/2nd year (so about 13yo). The kids of dunblane released a song called ‘knocking on heaven’s door’
"Why should law-abiding citizens have to give up their guns?" Well, funny thing about that is everybody is a law-abiding citizen, until they aren't.
25:11 Video: "...since then the AR-15 has been used in almost every notable..."
Guy: "I think it's mainly handguns being used."
Guys.... 🤦♀
The USA needs a change in campaign finance. If The gun lobbies can't make large donations to politicians then the laws will get passed
i don't know how people can say america is the most free country in the world. freedom is not going to school each day and wondering if you'll come home again.
I'm so sorry the American parents that did try to do something could only afect their states, and not get a federal bill to congress.
Andy Murray the tennis player was one of the survivors of dunblane, i've got nothing but respect for him since I found out for not letting the shooting ruin him.
I send my child to school and it would not cross my mind to worry about guns, I see the news from the USA and I think goodness I don’t live there.
You might be interested to know that Andy Murray (Scottish Tennis Player) was at the school at the time and survived the shooting
Tin Henman disapproves of this.
I was secretary of my children’s PTA in Yorkshire when Dunblane happened in 1996. It was decided that we should send flowers and l it fell to me to go to the florist and order them. When l was asked for the address l just said: Dunblane. The florist nodded. Nothing more needed to be said.
Andy Murray was at that school at the time.
I remember this vividly as a teenager, horrific. It was fairly rare for people to have guns before this, but this movement thankfully clamped down on it hard
Teachers in Alberta, Canada 🇨🇦 an elementary teacher makes on average 70000$/year. Secondary teachers earn on average 80,000$. Teachers are well educated and deserve their wages.
I live in Ireland. I’ve never seen a gun (except police/army in other countries I’ve visited). As a mother I cannot imagine how traumatising it must be for kids taking part in shooting DRILLS, let alone an actual school shooting. It is so wrong that small kids have to experience that. Shame.
Weird fact being Northern Ireland has the same laws and rules Britain had before Dunblane.
The problem with any kind of weapon, and especially firearms, is that so many people always claim to be responsible gunowners but always forget that any human being can snap. It only depends on the conditions. Anyone, even the most docile human being may snap some day due to certain circumstances and in that case, a mass shooting can easily happen when firearms are legal and plentiful.
Firearms in any society make the society uncivilized, pure and simple.
Firearms in any society will never solve anything.
The same is basically the case for knives, but a man person with a knife will never be able to create the same havoc as is possible with a firearm.
Firearms simply don't belong in any civilized society.
In a sense, only a coward would ever feel the need to own a firearm in a civilized society.
Real freedom is, among other things, the knowledge that you are extremely unlikely to get killed by a firearm.
I’m in Glasgow, in Scotland. I remember collecting my 4 year old from school that day. We were in tears, it shouldn’t have been possible, it was shocking and heartbreaking and unbelievable.
I’m a retired teacher. Safeguarding children is more important than enabling adults.
Hear Hear
Well said!
I'm from Scotland too. I was born in 1997 so I actually only found about this Scottish school shooting that changed the UK only a few years ago I heard Andy Murray bringing it up or someone did anyway in reference to him... I was shocked mainly because I hate America's gun laws I think it's stupid I really really do. It's like the UK say water and electricity don't mix and Americans like " let's mix"
I am from England, i remember collecting my 4 and 5 year old from school that day too. Their school changed a lot, door locks etc.
I still recall the phoyos of the children's faces in the newspapers.
"Safeguarding children is more important than enabling adults" What a quote.
Hopefully the US becomes a civilised country one day and they start to value the lives of everyone, especially children.
I'm sure the most partner US civilians value lives in the same way as we do in the UK and most countries. We worry about knife crime .
@@mariontanner7557 That’s a fair point, maybe I should have said I hope the *government* start to value the lives of children, although that seems unlikely considering they don’t care about their citizens on the whole
Guns can do a lot more damage than knives, much easier and much quicker. Despite this, America will never be able to get rid of guns. You can't put the genie back in that bottle. It's a crying shame.@@mariontanner7557
@@mariontanner7557 It's the same here, but few people know it. According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report -- the gold standard for such data -- there are always four to five times as many murders committed with "knives and other cutting instruments" than with rifles of any description. (This data point is just for those who wring their hands over "assault weapons" -- a meaningless term.)
What some Americans do not understand is people especially farmers have guns. Our attitudes to guns is very different. We don't associate them with strength or masculinity. Not really with personal protection. They are tools. For hunting, vermin, sport, protection. Etc. We do not have dangerous animals in the UK which maybe a factor. It should also be noted that cars can kill multiple people and in the UK it is also much much harder to get a driving licence.
Exactly! Well said!
Excellent points.
Also the laws around gun ownership are VERY strict. Legal consequences are very real if you mistep them.
Difference is cars are used to drive, but can also be used to kill. Knives are used to cut, but can also be used to kill. Any heavy or sharp object can be used as weapons really. But guns are *only* made to kill or injure. There’s no other use for them.
@@rixsist7048 sport
In the UK carrying a gun during a crime doubles the sentence, firing it doubles again, shooting someone is life unless the armed police kill you first.
@charlestaylor3027, unfortunately the given sentence is always halved in UK, unless specified that it is a full life sentence, that sadly, rarely happens in UK. 👍🌻🌻
In the US it is exactly the same if you are Black 😅
@@thresagraham8181not technically correct; the _sentence_ isn't halved, the sentence consists of both a _prison term_ and a period released _on licence._
You are still serving your sentence if you get released _on licence._
Being released on licence is subject to good behaviour, you still have other restrictions while on licence, it is part of the rehabilitation process, and it relieves strain on the prison system.
@@thresagraham8181 no if you are sentenced to over 7 years you must serve 2/3's as a minimum
But isn't life actually like 25 years ish
Me and my Wife left the USA 15yrs ago and moved to the UK. Our main reasons at the time were Guns, our family safety and also Racism. Moving to the UK and bringing our kids up here was the best thing we have ever done. We have met so many other fellow Americans here in the UK during our time here and they also made the move due to the same reasons.
You don't need a gun to feel safe here, now that's freedom ❤
Guns, OK, yeah that's obvious.
But tell me about the racism bit. Yes we're a lot less racist here, are you and your family black? Were you the targets of racism or did you just want to get away from it?
Just curious, I've never heard anybody list that as a reason for immigrating to the UK!
Random interjection: my cousin is mixed race and was born here, but moved to the states when he was 14. He said the difference was quite stark for him.. he hadn’t really thought about the fact that he was mixed race much in the UK, but as soon as he was across the pond people kept asking ‘what are you?’ all the time. ‘British..’ he would reply (thinking they were referring to his English accent) - but he said they were always asking about his skin colour and heritage. As he got older, he then found that there was a lot of pressure to either hang out with groups of black kids or white kids. Obviously there is still racism in the UK, but the main difference he’s noted is a more obvious sense of division between the racial groups.
@@MostlyPennyCat I live and was born in England. I am a white female, my husband is mixed race. As a couple we have never talked about our skin colour, it's not a conversation we have here. It really doesn't matter. The only time we've talked about skin colour was when we had a black American visitor recently and the subject of race was brought into our home. She said it was a normal thing in America to discuss that. It isn't here and it felt uncomfortable and unwanted.
It probably also depends what state you live in. America is a big place. @@heykirstieb
I remember that day. My daughter was about the age of these little ones. As I drove home from work and the news was unfolding I had to pull over because I was crying too hard. I looked at other motorists and could see many of them listening to the same news and I could see the sorrow and horror on face after face.
I don’t know how a country can go through this and not be affected. When Sandyhook happened I was sure that was going to be the tipping point. But no. There is a hole inside many Americans. I don’t know how it happened, but something is missing in their hearts
You've absolutely hit the nail on the head with Americans (not all of them) but so many of them lacking in humanity and driven by hyper-individualism it shocks you to the core. Money is more important than human lives, just how the Tories would have it in the UK if they had their way. Thanks capitalism.
Yes! I remember that day so well. I too was driving home. I had a 1yr old and the tragedy was just too close to home for me. It was probably the last time I cried out of sorrow and empathy -all for the parents who lost their little ones.
"There is a hole inside many Americans"
Well, yeah.
It's where the bullet went.
Australia and New Zealand did exactly the same thing after a single mass shooting.
and in Australia it took only 12 weeks to change the gunlaws
@@charpost62 yep , best thing any government did in Australia . both Scotland and Australia mass shootings happened in the same year in 1996 .
Except the crime rate rose and now Australia puts those that disagree in camps.
@@michaelconnor1542 get a brain cell sunshine , you need it 😂😂😂😂
@@georgiegorge6679 that isn't an argument and shows you have none.
Which is typical of the left.
No argument? Insult.
Listening to your conversations around guns is scary to me here in the UK, the idea of a gun making you safe is completely mad to 99% of UK people. Of course we have homes broken into, but in my 70 years here l have never heard of a case of guns being used during a home break in. On average in the US about 20,000+ people are shot to death and about 1200 US citizens are shot by Police. We have an average of 5 people shot each year and are usually shot by Police connected to serious criminal activity. Police here do not carry guns and only a small number carry tasers. Cases of citizen on citizen shootings are rare here maybe one or two a year, usually connected to criminal activity. The lessons are simple, if citizens can't access guns they can't shoot each other. If police don't have guns they can't shoot citizens.......Most of Europe is similar to the UK in their attitude towards guns.
Furthermore, I understand there is legislation surrounding the keeping of guns in the US (I'm a Brit), and they need to be kept locked away in the home. No intruder will give you the time to rush to the gun cabinet, unlock it, find the ammunition and load the weapon.
Some police do carry firearms. Gun crime is rising in the UK, we just don't see it. My boss was an armed response officer.. you don't even want to know what he's seen/knows. The UK isn't all sunshine and rainbows..
@@pridedyanky You’re right, the UK isn’t perfect and there are shootings and killings but these are 98/99% between gangs. Shootings of non -gang related individuals in the UK is
Marlec.......Lies, gun crime is at 10yr high for the last 10 years.......a report by the Guardian found:
The sharpest rise is in the north-east, where gun crime has more than tripled from an average of 91 firearms offences a year between 2009 and 2012, to 294 a year between 2019 and 2022.
In the Cleveland police area, firearms offences have risen almost sixfold, from a yearly average of 22 to 127. Durham, Sussex, Lincolnshire, Northumbria, South Yorkshire, Norfolk and Kent police have all seen numbers more than double in 10 years.
That's only England, not including all the shooting we have up here in Glasgow or over in N.Ireland.......stop spreading false narratives on the internet, and your '20,000+' statistics......that also includes suicides.......get your facts right.
@@drewlang9095 yeah, I'm from the North East. Firearms are still a small problem compared to knives. That's a serious problem. This is what most don't understand, banning firearms in the US is like trying to ban knives in the UK. It's impossible.
One must not forget that the 2nd Amendment is exactly that! AN AMENDMENT! It can be AMENDED!
Oh, pardon me, I thought Amendment meant Set In Stone Law, I didn't think it was a Flexible Rule.
So as a verb it means Changed?
@@Roadent1241 And if it it has been changed...it can be changed AGAIN!
How many gun owners are part of authorised and regulated militias?
@@revd.phillipwallace-pugh9955 How many authorised and regulated militias are NEEDED in Domestic USA
And it was written at a time when it took 20 seconds to reload after each shot.
I think part of the issue with the ‘protection’ thing and burglary is the cultural attitude that Americans have around possessions. I’ve noticed it seems to be that they feel if someone wants to steal your stuff or come onto your property, then you should have the right to kill them or they deserve to die. Here in the UK, I wouldn’t consider that someone was breaking in to harm me. They just want my car keys or my TV. Not saying that I definitely wouldn’t try and stop them if they came in, it’s just I know it’s extremely unlikely they have a gun so why would I feel the need to have one too?
If they DID bring a weapon and were desperate to escape if caught, then what’s the point in trying to stop them. I’ve got insurance, is it really worth the risk in myself or them being injured or killed for a possession that can be replaced? Personally, I don’t think so.
THIS!
Yes. And also, my possessions aren’t more than a human life, even if that human life is breaking into my house to steal those possessions.
What if a burglar attacks you?
I live in England. I’m 57 years old and I’ve never seen a gun in real life
I live in England as well, I have seen guns before but that's mostly because my dad and brother were into guns when I was a kid, air rifle guns, if it wasn't for them, I would never have seen a gun in my entire life and I'm 43 and clearly, going on our examples, it's very rare to see guns in the UK.
I'm 47 and I also have never seen a gun in day-to-day life here in Germany. The only time I had a gun in my hands was during my time at the military.
You've never seen armed police at an airport ?
My dad had one from world war II but never used it. Antique now.
@@andrewwaller5913 never been to an airport.
I'm from Scotland, I remember when Dunblane happened. I was walking my dog up the park listening to radio on my personal stereo. Total shocker. We changed the gun laws and we've never had a school shooting again. How many has the USA had since then?
Dunblane happened before I was born. But I had the luxury of growing up in a country where I NEVER had to worry about being murdered in my class room. It was not a realistic concern.
I have seen the phrase "active shooter" so many times in American headlines that, frankly, it almost feels like a biweekly event.
@@seraphinaaizen6278In Britain we have fire drills at school. In the US they have active shooter drills in their schools.
Literally teaching primary school kids what to do if someone comes in to shoot children. There’s something very sick with a culture where that is considered normal.
I really thought a couple of years back that the young people of America people where getting through to the US government about gun laws but still nothing has changed. I can’t believe that the US doesn’t take action against gun laws
@@andrewburton7480 was that after the Parkland shooting. Where the teenage survivors became gun reform activists.
Who were heralded across the world as young heroes. Only for the rest of the world watch in shock as they were mocked and dismissed by the grown ups in the US.
@@JarlGrimmToys sounds about it
I was directly involved with the aftermath of the Dunblane shootings. Thankfully I did not lose a child, or was a child at the school, however, I was an adult involved with the services that supported the families and communities right after, and for the months and years following. Profound memories of spending days preparing for their burial, the memorial services, spending time with the families... as you can tell I'm trying not to go into detail. Finally, all I will say is that being in the school days after, seeing the location at the sports hall, just changed everything.
Us Brits will never truly understand how the USA can continue to ignore the huge problem faced. Lobby groups or no, money or not, change is a must.
And being a child of that time and remembering the fear; to now being an adult - how can they continue to ignore it when it is so much worse. With no weapons of war being used, I just can't comprehend the incompetence or lack of forethought that let the bill run out. It's like the government there want the chaos and death to continue for whatever purpose?
I worked with a guy who survived it as a child, he is still deeply affected to this day. I was 9 in Edinburgh and still remember all the parents being so upset explaining what had happened and being really scared at school for a while after 💔 but nothing on the ones who lived up in Dunblane. Still heartbreaking. Thank you for supporting them at that time and after.
I was a high school student in Edinburgh at the time and i remember the eerie silence an disbelief countrywide for over a week after
I'm so sorry.
Hello and thankyou for reacting to the dunblane tragedy. I’m from Scotland and I remember this incident like it was yesterday. One thing that always makes me tear up is Sophie North’s dad who got the gun law changed because of the snowdrop appeal.
Sophie’s mum died from cancer and before she died she made Mick North promise to keep Sophie safe so he moved to Scotland. Sophie goes to school at 5 years old and gets killed for doing nothing wrong and now he is left without a wife and daughter. Also Tennis Player Andy Murray was at this school the day of the shooting. Take care 😘 🏴🇺🇸
Strange, but I always believed that the second amendment gave all americans the right to bear arms "IF" they were forming a militia fior the purposes of defending their town/cities. NOT a carte blanche law that says you can have a gun at any time. When the American constitution was written the colonies had just won a war with Britain, so the risk of armed raiders attacking small towns or homesteads or of encounters with native Americans was still high. Hence the need for militias. Even way back then they were smart enough to see the problems that could arise from unlimited gun ownership. It seems however that nearly all americans ignore the part of the amendment that states it is for forming militias that the right to carry a gun is granted. Amazing how Americans scream about the second amendment without fully understanding it. Thoughts please. btw, I'm from the UK where we have some of the safest gun laws in the world.
I live in England and if someone breaks into my house they can take what they want, that is why we have home insurance so we can claim back for what we have lost, items can be replaced, a life cannot. I have no desire to engage an intruder in a shoot out at six paces, that ain't ending well either way.
I think this is the main difference between the two countries. In the UK people/lives are seen as more important. In the USA possessions/money is seen as more important. Obviously, there are individuals who feel differently in both countries, but when talking about the general ethos of the country as a whole, that's the difference between the two and explains the drastic differences in gun laws and many things. Many countries have the general rule of your rights end when they start to infringe on the rights of others. This is not the attitude in the USA.
Given that every year dozens of people in the UK get attacked in their own homes they aren't always interested in your possessions. There have been hundreds of cases where they have seriously hurt people either for fun or just to get stuff. It only really gets on the news when it happens to someone famous but just google it. In the US, the are thousands of cases of people defending themselves with guns. Just google it.
@@EtherealSunset Not really true. False conclusion. You are willing to sacrifice your rights -- which are not, in the US, gifts of the state which can be revoked at any time -- for an ephemeral sense of security. Your criminal class thanks you for that.
Your criminal class thanks you for that.
@@richardwhite4300so to you, these rights are worth the hundreds of thousands of lives lost ? Compare it to the uk.
But you have your rights ay.
As much as I want to visit the USA, I’m too scared to go there until something changes with the gun laws. I might never get to go... 🤷🏻♀️
gun crime is bad but most tourists dont go to the areas where it is bad. you are very unlikely to get shot. they have 11,000 deaths in 300 MILLION people.....
It's not even just the gun laws, it's the actual mindset of a lot of Americans that puts me off, they are supposedly the most friendly people always smiling, and yet from what I've seen and heard (actually from normal sane Americans) they are the angriest people, seems to me that they use a lot of very hard drugs, they have no fear and self respect to not go to jail over the most inane things, it blows my mind.
My husband's friend was attending a Conference in America. He was dressed in a business suit when his rental car broke down. He knocked on a door to ask for help, and was shot and killed.. THROUGH the unopened door. The homeowner was exhonorated because he was "defending his property". 😢
Went to New York in 2008. Had a great time. No guns, didn't see any fights or anything. That said, there are lots of places in the US I definitely would not set foot in. NYC just seems to almost have a european sensibility - really nice friendly and amazing place to visit. Relatively cheap too. If you want to go, I'd recommend NY.
@@gogglebox2427 😯
In Spain, to legally own a weapon, you have to pass psychological and medical tests and have a clean criminal record.
My grandfather was a medical examiner in the 1970s, and because of his job he had a gun. When he died, they told the family that if they wanted to keep it, they had to block it, so that it could never be used again, and also give them police certificates, to show that they had it legally and that it was unusable. If they didn't, they had to hand it over to the police.
America should also do this. But something tells me that won't happen
The amount of Americans that have told me gun control doesn't work smh. You just wonder if its ignorance or willful ignorance.
@@micade2518 they come up the silliest retorts. My secret hobby is getting them riled up about guns. They're nearly all racist
Because they have an impression of their country that makes them think they need guns to defend themselves in the first place. If you feel you are surrounded by criminals and 50% of them are out to kill you, it makes you feel only the law-abiding citizens are getting punished by gun control. Criminals gonna criminal. There are two options, either this is untrue and they are just living in fear, and gun control would work. Or it is true, in that case, they are living in a shitty hellhole.
to a very large degree, it's what they've been told. In the news, in the papers, in 'gun rallies'. They're just repeating what they've been told, by people they trust. Just as, by the way, we generally do. I can't blame them entirely.
@sampeeps3371 gun guntrol laws were instituted to keep guns out of the hands of minorities.
So you side with actual racists. Good job.
@@michaelconnor1542 can you name which gun law that came into effect after Dunblane. Was instituted to keep guns out of the hands of minorities?
Because I’m pretty sure you just made that up.
Guns are not totally banned in the UK. You can even get semi-automatic weapons legally, provided they are .22calibre. However "self defence" is not classed as a valid reason for gun ownership.
Handguns are also legal in Northern Ireland although part of that is from the retention of self defence handguns by off duty police and former security forces members. Still highly regulated though.
Ture, but you can't carry one from Northern Ireland to the Mainland.@@ballagh
Semi auto shoguns are also legal in the UK. Hand guns are slowly coming back as well in Britain. The ban was only on police issued licences so the Home Offices have always been issuing hand gun licences under section 5 of the 1968 firearms act. Mainly to vets (to shoot horses etc), ex security services and after the 2012 olympics British international shooters. Some politicians have supposedly been given hand gun licences (due to the murder of MPs). There is also section 7.1 (historic hand guns that are kept at home and not fired) and section 7.3 historic hand guns that are kept at a club and fired.
I'm Scottish and live in N Ireland. A few years ago there was a little trouble outside my house around July 12th while I was on Discord. One of my American friends asked what it was about and I explained a little and he googled a bit too. He went on about how horrifying it must be to live somewhere like here and not have a gun to protect me and my family. Situation I have here is the school my son goes to is an amazing school but it is the "wrong" school for the area where I live so I do have to have him change out of his school uniform before I bring him here or I might end up chased out. It's a Catholic v Protestants thing. My response to him was "My sons teachers emergency supplies in her desk drawer are probably spare pencils and pens and maybe a bag of M&M's... NOT a combat medic pack, bullet proof vest and if a politician even hinted at arming the teachers, they'd be run out of office!"
We're just fine without easy access to guns even in N Ireland.
Guns would make the situation infinitely worse
All it takes is one person to misfire their gun and it’ll be all out carnage on the streets
This is why Americans can't throw hands, they rely on guns so much