Just a quick note for Arturo, there is a knife crime problem here in the UK but it's mostly in the larger towns and cities, however, on a per head of population basis there is a higher rate of knife crime in the US than there is over here, it's just that you have so much gun crime over there in the US that you don't get to hear about the "stab work" as much and here it stands out more.
Really important comment. It's a talking point in the US that there's a lot of knife crime here, as if it's merely a weapon substitution issue. Nothing could be further from the truth. Even if the US didn't have a gun crime issue, the knife crime rate would still be significantly worse.
Yes and knives are an 'up close and personal' weapons meaning as an ordinary law abiding member of the public you're very unlikely to get caught up in a stabbing.
The USA suffers 5x more murders per capita every year than us, and about every country in Europe. So however many knife murders we might have in the UK, it's barely an issue compared to what's happening in the USA.
@@bushbabybotha9943 And when you are walking down the street how do you know what their intention is. I live in the UK, and apart from 1/2 dozen inner city shithole neighborhoods in the whole country I would be quite happy walking at night. Despite what you hear we have less than 1000 murders a year and most of those are either gang on gang or acts of domestic violence. Visiting my daughter last year near Portland Oregon we went to Cannon Beach, beautiful spot to walk her dog, This place is rich mans holiday destination. While walking we met a lady whose dog was playing with ours and we stopped for a chat, I couldn't help noticing she had a gun in a chest holster. I couldn't help thinking if I felt so unsafe that I needed a gun walking on beach I would go 300 miles north and live in Vancouver Canada. Thankfully most people in Oregon don't buy into this stupid idea that guns keep you free, they don't they imprison you in fear, like the woman on the beach.
I always find it interesting when somone from the US talks about the high knife crime in the UK. I see it in UA-cam videos and I've heard both US politicians and US chatshow hosts talk about it. Knife crime in the UK is high by OUR standards, which is why the UK media highlight it so much. As others have mentioned, fatalities from knife crimes in the US is actually higher per capita than the UK. It's got closer in recent years, but the US is always higher. The fact that the US media outlets don't report these fatalities from knife crimes as being a big issue is probably indicative of the high number of gun related deaths.
Per capita it's significantly lower than at least some states in the USA and about on par with the safer US States.... The only time statistics show the UK to be significantly more stabby than the USA is the number of stabbings as a percentage of total homicides. 41% of UK homicides involve a sharp object (knives machetes etc) whereas only 4% of total homicides involve a firearm which is less than strangulation and no additional weapons (kicking, punching etc) In the USA only 11% of homicides are stabbings whereas 46% are from handguns and a further 15% from other guns or firearm of unspecified type
It's highlighted by a certain group to try and suggest what happens when you don't have guns everywhere. The fact that the US has higher rates of knife crime as well is overlooked in the argument.
Knife crime in the UK is mostly drugs/gang related, and overwhelmingly involves young men between 14-22. You are highly unlikely to be knifed in the streets unless you are involved in a gang.
I'd agree with the 'young men between 14-22' statement. From personal experience though, that's all you need to be wary in small-town UK. No need to be gang/drugs related. Just a young male at the wrong time, wrong pub. I actually felt safer moving to London as it was easier to avoid the dodgy pubs. Chance of being mugged was probably higher in London but much less likely some over-hormoned yob would decide you'd be his next 'fun' target on the walk home.
I used to live in the 'East End' of London (a pretty rough area). In the 10 years I lived there, I heard of only two fatal stabbings and not a single person being shot. (There may have been more, but never featured on the local news; when it did happen, it got major coverage)
I live in an area of London with a large black population that has had several stabbings yet I as a middle aged white man have no fear for my safety, even if I go out at 2am to find a shop when I've run out of gaming chocolate!
@@CHINZIG_UK Absolutely not in my case. Usual chav in pub experience or wandering down the street getting accosted by some football firm. I'm old enough to remember having to avoid skinheads every night when coming back from the pub just cos I had blue hair or something.
@@lewisb6623 You seem to have missed the term "per capita." According to the World Population Review website, the UK has 0.08 stabbings per 100,000 people while the USA has 0.6 per 100,000. In other words, the USA's knife problem is an order of magnitude larger than the UK's.
@@charliecosta3971 didn't see your name tagged, the guy I replied to was clearly on about all together, stating that it's still higher in the US than UK, obviously that makes sense 😂 Per capita is a different statistic to compare than the statement he made.
@@charliecosta3971he is a she. Not talking about cities. I was talking about the countries. In July 2022 Latest figures show 4.96 homicides “due to knives or cutting instruments” in America for every million of the population in 2016. In Britain the figure was 3.26.
@@charliecosta3971 No buddy, you do yours - Knife crime IS higher per capita in the whole USA than the whole of the UK, which is what was stated, not New York versus London. Your gun crime and knife crime is what puts the USA 157th on the global peace index, and the UK 64th.
Fun fact, there are more stabbings per capita in the USA than in the UK. You just hear about them more here, because homicides are less frequent and make the national news, unlike in the States. You are 5 times more likely to be murdered by any weapon in the US compared to the UK.
Fun facts as well. Knives kill 3 times more people annually than all rifles, including AR 15s. Hands and feet kill almost double as well. Violence is also on a downward trend annually especially after the cough cough 2020,21 years. Yet gun sales have skyrocketed. Also these numbers include gang related violence which is the vast majority of our violence, gun violence and mass shootings. UK only has about 4000 members while the US has over 1,000,000. Thus is why our numbers are higher.
@Lewis-py8jl It's because they do not have many huge cities like we do. They also have very very little gangs which is already the vast majority of our crimes and violence.
fun fact, if you remove a certain group from America, the murder rates with guns are actually fairly close or equal to the lowest European countries but it's racist to point that out.
@ justme-ks8qc To the best of my knowledge. That came about because they lowered adult age to draft people for WW2 and the fact that many 18 year olds wanted to hunt so they brought the legal age to buy a long gun down from 21 to 18. Imo I think 18 year olds should be legally able to do anything 21 year olds can do because they are both expected to have the same responsibilities.
In the UK there isn't an age limit for gun ownership. It's very very common for under 18s to own guns in England with the youngest gun owner being a 7 year old!! Reference "Youngest holder of a shotgun licence is just seven years" Telegraph 23 Jul 2020
Given their proclivity for gun violence, I'd say letting them drink at a younger age while having access to guns would be worse...though that's not saying much.
Problem is you cant say someone is an adult than not give them the same rights as adults while at the same time giving them all the responsibility of being an adult
I live in London - south London at that, the most infamously stabby bit of London - and I'm not especially worried about being a victim of knife crime. Like gun violence in the US, a hell of a lot of it is gang-related, so if you're not in a gang or an affiliated to one your risk from knife crime goes down significantly. Of course you could still get mugged or just be in the wrong place at the wrong time, but that's true in any city.
I’m not going to name where I live (I’m OP under a different account), but I’ll just say I live smack dab in the middle of a cluster of particularly interesting estates that whenever you google their names all you see is a string of news stories like “Murder”, “Brutal murder” “Murder” “Two murdered” “Murder”, etc lol And yet I as a fairly nondescript-looking white bloke walking through them go entirely without notice, given I’m not a roadman violating anyone’s turf.
The Gun is so intrinsically linked with the formation of the USA. That it has become a symbol of ideals. Here in UK guns are tools not culturally iconic symbols.
What's ironic is you guys are the reason why it's a protected right here. Because your kings and queens decided to be A holes and we were forced to use our own Arms to defeat the most powerful empire at the time.
@@stephenlee5929 Doesn't matter. It was privately owned firearms, whether bought or made themselves. Which is why the 2A was enshrined because they knew historically governments cannot simply enforce its will on well armed citizens.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015thank you 👏lt never gets old listening to uneducated young people about the importance of our history. All of those monuments they want to destroy that teach us what happens when you leave yourself unprotected especially in the USA. As a female I NEVER am safe but with my ability to defend myself I am not living in constant fear of being attacked. Until the day that the RAPE, ASSAULT, MOLESTATION, or DEATH of women or girls becomes an automatic death sentence I will always be protected from men. Period.
We have shotguns as we are a farm. The guns have to be kept in a locked cabinet which is fixed to the wall. Ammunition has to be kept separately. We are inspected fairly regularly by the police firearm's officer who comes and checks we are following the law.
@@spyidr1892an easy way to consider the difference between shotgun certs and an FAC is that a shotgun certificate is broadly issued based on "is there any reason to deny access?" A firearms cert is issued based on "is there any reason to permit access?". That may explain your lack of inspection.
@@lmaoroflcopter not really. the FAC is determined on what purpose you need the weapon for. Deterrance is not really on the list. vermin control is. you can be a little political with the language I suppose...vermin contol is generally deemed to be rats and foxes,which present a danger to your stock either physically or biologically.
Growing up with a licenced gun owning dad. (Rifle for Target shooting and shotguns for game shooting) I know that we had regular visits from the police firearms officer to check that the guns was being stored safely and the ammunition was stored away from the guns. Any infringements could remove the right to own the guns and your Firearms licence immediately.
If the police refuse to issue a firearms certificate you can appeal to a magistrates' court; I've been a magistrate for 25 years and I've never actually heard such a case, and only once heard ( as court of fist instance) any case involving a firearm. I sit in a court in a large English city.
Refuse? In spite of the applicant having served his or her six months probie time in a club, and having been deemed fit by the club secretary and two other referees? That's VERY unusual.
interesting, if you are a magistrate. Would you not concur,then, that a lot of current legislation is technically illegal? the right to protect oneself(as per petition of right), is actually a legal obligation...as was enacted back in jacobite uprising days.. If I were to walk down the street on a sunday morning fully tooled up with a longbow and projectiles, and if stopped, say I am doing training.....that IS still a legal requirement under the law.That has never been repealed as it is common law, not statute. The foes have changed, but the concept has not.
@@bigmacntings7451 that's bollocks, unfortunately. The law (if it ever existed) was certainly replealed in 1843, and by subsequent legislation, and it was obvious a statute law if it was passed by Parliament since it's difficult to see how the common law could oblige anyone to actually practice any skill (other than common sense). The right to protect oneself doesn't permit the carrying of offensive weapons or dangerous items, and predates the Jacobites ( an odd reference since those with very tenuous grip on legal history often claim all laws since the forced departure of James II are invalid).
You cannot appeal to magistrates court as firearms licencing appeals are dealth with by the Crown Court. To do this you have to pay your own legal costs and even if you win the case cannot claim your costs back from the police unless you are able to prove they were not just wrong in their decsion making but also negligent. The system is designed to prevent appeals by sheer weight of cost.
Funny. I’m 69 and have never seen a gun in my life, except for a couple of shotguns that my mate had for clay pigeon shooting, and they were securely locked away. I remember Dunblane like it was yesterday. Here in the UK were are proud that we can insult someone into submission.
You mentioned knife crime in the UK. Certainly it is an issue, particularly in the narcotics turf wars and with youth aged 14-22. There were 282 homicides involving knives last year, across the UK. There were 1500 in the US. 1600 kids under 20 were murdered using guns in the US in 2022. Across all age groups, there were 28 gun-related murders in UK.
meanwhile in america lets not ignore the 1600 knife crimes or 40000+ gun crimes in the same period, dont try to justify it as a valid point until you look at your own figures, and at least its our own police force killing us
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 The term "under 20" generally doesn't include individuals aged 20. In the US, under its sale of alcohol legislation anyone under 21 is considered insufficiently adult to buy a beer.
@t.a.k.palfrey3882 By federal law, you are an adult at 18. Be tried as an adult, taxes, vote, move out, do as you please without parents consent, join the military, go to war. Alcohol used to be 18 btw here. Alcohol is a privilege, so the government can restrict the age if they want. Guns are a constitutional right.
I live in a rough part of London. Yes there is a bit of knife crime unfortunately it appears to be young men stabbing young men for the most part, plus we always had knife crime but what we didn't always have was the Internet to spread the news quickly. I've never seen a gun on the street and can honestly say I've never held a gun, nor do I want to.
Uk knife crime better than 100 years ago with the gangs in Scotland and North England. The tv show peaky blinders used fact to create a fiction. Good programme though
Yeah - it's rarely a stranger getting killed (so the flip-side is you probably shouldn't be worried about it happening to you) - it's two young men who have an issue with each other and no father around to tell them not to do it.
Statistically, knife crime is lower ,per head of population, in the UK than in the US. The reasons for it being perceived as a greater problem than the reality is : a death resulting from a knife attack makes headline news ; it ,often, involves teenagers and ,of course, is used by gun enthusiasts as a (oh well, they have a knife problem ) justification.
We had a rather attrocious school shooting in 1996 and said "Well that's enough of that!" whereas in the US it seems people are even past the point of caring about school shootings.
This is a similar system to Australia. We have a Firearm Register and a 28-day wait to purchase a gun. You also have to have to have a valid reason to own a gun, and will be vetted with a police check. Semi-automatic and Automatic weapons and pump-action shotguns are banned.
Pump action shotguns are banned unless they Have the baffle which limits them to 2 rounds. Automatic weapons can be legally owned with special licenses. Semi automatic Rifles can be owned, but semi automatic handguns cannot. However, if you permanently weld a suppressor onto a handgun it becomes a rifle, as defined by barrel length, and can be owned with the correct license.
@@EddieTheH perhaps i should have been more specific I was referring to 2 in the magazine, I wasn't referring to the additional one in the chamber. My bad.
It’s a catch 22 situation for Americans. I hear all the time the argument about needing it for protection. Now if I knew all of my neighbours had guns and one could easily fall into the wrong hands, I would most definitely feel like I needed one to protect my family. But, it’s sad that you have to feel that way. I live in a low class area in Merseyside, and couldn’t imagine in a million years feeling like I need a gun for protection. Just says a lot about the US really.
100% same for me. I'm from Belgium. I've barely seen a gun in my life and I'm very happy for that. But if I lived in the US I would probably get one. I mean, it's an argument against going to live in the US for me. I have plenty of countries I can move to. Already own a place in Spain. /cheers
Maybe they should allow guns in the home for protection in the USA, but make it illegal to walk around with one. Even pepper spray is illegal in the UK, though I keep it in the car.
@@igorzisky We have loads of criminals walking around the UK with guns, leaving law-abiding people defenceless. But few get shot. You should try it over there.
@@barrymitchell6444 its only in the cities that most people get shot I have never seen a gun on the streets outside of on police and a few licensed concealed carriers. Just like in the UK in America if you avoid the cities you should be fine.
Yes Britain, the Country that literally has separate firearms rules for rich and poor. Until Section 5 of the 1968 firearms act is abolished, or one man company licences are no longer shall issue British laws will be a mockery.
@@davedavids57 I think what makes mockery of gun laws in the US is that some parents feel they have to buy flak-packs for their kids for school I'll take our inqiuitous gun laws for now thanks
@@bestbehave There are around 160 countries in the world with more liberal gun laws than the UK, 50 or so of which that have less violent crime than the UK, and you can only talk about the USA. The US is an outlier for dozens of reasons. No non residential publicly funded mental health care, 30X the drug deaths per head of population compared to European countries, some of the highest inequality levels in the world, extreme poverty, poor to nonexistent public health care, unemployment help for just six months, terrible gang controlled prisons etc etc. The US has a problem with mass shootings, but it also has a massive problem with mental health, drug dependency, gangs, corruption, poverty etc etc. Until crime starts to reduce in the US the population aren't going to accept stricter gun laws. Because they use their firearms to literally defend themselves. Britain is more like EU nations in regard to it's social structures but the question you should be asking yourself is why Britain has more violent crime and even mass shootings than countries in the EU with liberal gun laws (With very nasty mass shootings in 2010 (Cumbria) and 2022 (Plymouth). If it's all about the gun laws then why is heavily armed central Europe so much safer. Perhaps Britain needs to improve it's mental health and social inclusion policies. But the British way is to just ban things. This can be seen in the fact that Britain is still experiencing mass shootings decades after introducing some of the toughest gun and weapon laws in the world.
Back in late 1972 after I'd finished a training course, I was posted to site to work for a while. The first thing that happened was that the Chief Installation Engineer walked to his filing cabinet and pulled out a small short barrelled revolver and said "look, my gun". Never saw it again. Never saw any other firearm until the police started walking around airports with sub-machine guns. There was a shooting about ten years ago less than a mile away - a young criminal was shot in his car by another young criminal with a shotgun. A young man recently arrived in the UK and put in subsidised housing was stabbed and died at the front door about three years ago. As for the knife/crime rate in London, I put it down to cultural differences.
One thing not clarified here is that 'self defence' does not constitute a 'good reason' to own firearms in the UK. On the subject of whether it would be possible for the US to change their stance on gun ownership it would be worth looking at the changes that came into place in Austalia following the Port Arthur Massacre. Parts of Australian society had a very similar relationship with guns to that in the US before these changes were brought in, and so it is a better comparison than the UK, where gun ownership has never really been a popular thing.
During the 70s there used to be a PSA shown on TV about shotgun safety telling you to always carry your shotgun broken. I remember having a farmer figure in a play set carrying a broken shotgun.
My first time shooting a gun was at the school range aged about 14, by the time I was 15 I was able to disassemble and reassemble both a .303 Lee Enfield and a fully functioning Bren gun. People forget that lots of schools had combined Cadet Forces based in them, often with army approved ranges and gun safes.
I actually, myself, forget that my school in the late 90's had a CCF and armoury, I remember thinking it was really weird that there was ~20 aging L1A1's stored on the school premises (although all the stored ammo was blanks)
0:32 "there's a lot of stabbings because of the absence of guns..." that's actually the wrong way round, America has a higher knife homicide rate than the UK, and the guns are a big part of the reason, for one thing, guns being available so readily means that people at minimum need to defend against guns, and if they can't get a gun themselves... you might feel you should at least carry a knife, anything is better than nothing. And because the same laws that protect carrying guns, cover other offensive weapons too, you're allowed to carry a gun, so you are allowed to carry a knife. So you have more knives on the street, and more knife related murders, because of the guns.
Just a quick comment on knife deaths, USA in a 12 months period around 2022 had 1830 homicides with a knife or sharp instrument, the UK over an equivalent period had 282 homicides.
Now do one for Poland. We only have about 800k privately owned guns, and close to 300k gun owners, in a country of 38 million people, which is very low, but gun related crime is almost non-existent. Gun homicides are extremely rare, and even though you need a permit, obtaining one is very straightforward (even if it takes a few months, and money). We haw no silly SBR laws, although automatic weapons are only allowed for instructors, and bodyguards, and storage requirements are different.
Have you watched the video about the Dunblane massacre at a primary school in Scotland in 1996? It is the reason why our gun laws were tightened up even further than what they were.
If it's the same video I saw apart from it being very moving and shocking what happened, I was extremely shocked that the Conservative party had been planning before that to loosen the gun laws. Thank goodness we now have the laws we do.
The gun laws were only slightly amended in 1997 to require revolvers like the one used at Dunblane to be longer than 60cm. So now in Britain you can only own a long barrelled pistol. The change was purely cosmetic. In fact the revolvers are now actually more deadly as the long barrels produce more energy in the bullet. Since 2010 British gun laws (Northern Ireland didn't change their laws after Dunblane) are being gradually relaxed. Britain has always had two forms of licencing. Normal through the police, special through the home office (under section 5, 7.1 or 7.3 of the firearm act). The Home office is issuing thousands of hand gun licences a year in Britain. Just without the publicity.
I thought that the reason for only being able to have guns over a certain length was so they can't be easily concealed? I openly admit that I know next to nothing about this, btw, so am happy to be corrected.
yes, we've seen quite a few in the US too now, and the response by the politico's is similar. The cynic in some of us says there's an ulterior motive using defenseless kids as emotional pawns.
New Zealand also has very strict gun laws - I once met some cash in transit guards who only carried maglites. Police in NZ rarely carry firearms but do have armed response officers (2 - up teams who come armed to respond to an incident). However they do carry batons & CS Spray on them. In Australia all police officer are armed with Glock .40 Calibre pistols. Check out the Port Arthur Massacre to see why Australia became so tight on firearms. Farmers must shown a genuine reason who owning a firearm & will find these are single shot rimfire rifles but no high capacity magazines. UK is the same.
And under the previous government they were doing the best to revoke as many firearms licenses and seize firearms as fast and as unlawfully as they could. Mine was revoked after 35 years of holding 1 and jumping through every hoop they dictated we had to now adhere too. No evidence, no charges laid against me or any contact with police before and after that day. License taken firearms transferred to a friend or be destroyed. And the most unbelievable letter delivered by the Sargent of Blenheim Police stating I could reapply for my license after 6 months and pay the exorbitant fees now charged to sit and be issued with it.. Corruption at it finest, I couldn’t afford to fight the system
I’ve been to NZ a couple of times bow hunting. I’m in the uk and have 9+1 semi shotguns for practical shotgun and rifles .308/.223 for deer (i’m on a farm) you can buy any bow/crossbow in the uk but illegal to shoot anything but targets !!!
@@Dan-wo4bx I have a very good friend that goes pig shooting every few months. The farmers let them stay in the shearers quarters & his rifles must be kept in the boot of his car unless being used. A few times he went rabbiting for a friend's farm & was happy to help out.
Please google New Zealand gun laws. Literally you have absolutely totally no idea. They literally had some of the most liberal gun laws in the world until 2019. Now they are a bit stricter but much much much more liberal than Britain. The UK has no restriction whatsoever on magazine capacity.
Oh absolutely! I'm Scottish with a Swiss partner and it's such a weird feeling to me knowing there's a gun in his home but I know there's no ammo or any way it can fire. So unique
I visited Switzerland when military exercises were in progress. The train was loaded with heavily armed men some carrying heavy machine guns they kept at home. All part of a well-regulated militia, or citizen army quite immune to control by a tyrannical king.
@michaelrogers2080 ... and you can easily buy a 9mm handgun (if you want, for self defense or sporting reasons) or a rifle, but background checks are very extensive too. I live there, as a German-Austrian (Austria also has liberal gun laws)
@@ManuelSteiner Background checks in Switzerland aren't extensive. They don't even have a computerized database. No mental health checks. Just 20 Franks to the cops and you get your permit to purchase (background check). I love Austria most guns Cat C don't even require a licence, just background check and three day cooling off period.
You can have a good scrap/fight, might get arrested unless you're unlucky everyone forgets about it. My mate is a big lad not a stranger to fighting, there was an off duty cop who was being a knob/drunk my mate got involved through no fault of his own. When I asked him about the fight he said "Oh yeah, I tuned him right in". He got a caution, which is the same as a telling off.
Bro I’m from one of these mad areas In the uk. The reason there’s so much “stab work” is not because a gun is a luxury or for a top tier guy lol it’s because if you’re caught with any unlicensed firearm, even with zero ammunition, it carries a mandatory minimum 5 year prison sentence, some people have received 10-15 years for owning an unlicensed gun.. gangs etc carry knives, for on site shit, so they don’t catch 5-10 just walking around with a gun. Guns are everywhere. Usually If it’s planned that’s when guns are used. There have been countless shootings in my neighbourhood lol
My American friend was nervous about coming to the UK, because of all the knife crime he's been told about. I pointed out statistically this would be the safest two weeks of his life so far.
@@panchomcsporran2083 it's so true, i moved to England from Ulster Northern Ireland and both London and Glasgow is way safer than Belfast (even though i would not call Belfast unsafe ) there is just less tension, the worst place i have ever been to was Baltimore in the US its dangerous just walking around in daylight, you'd have to have a screw loose to go out after dark there, heard plenty of gunshots and police sirens constantly. its like a warzone where i was. id rather go to Syria
I've seen this video a number of times and I'm wondering how old it is and where he sourced information from because he said the UK population is about 56 million which is way off target as the UK population is now over 67 million.
I imagine it's probably the 2011 census figure for England & Wales. Scotland and Northern Ireland run their own censuses which might not have been factored in.
There was recently published a list of cities with the highest gun crime. Out of the 40, they were all in south America apart from 4. They were US cities.
The first time I ever felt annoyed by something you said ... 'A lot of stabbings in London because of the absence of guns.' Outrageously incorrect for so many reasons . Also ... Stabbing is still not common compared to the USA . We are a very safe country to live in in comparison to the USA .
@@scottythedawgnope it is a older video made a few years ago, not many years ago but because of the mass migration of immigrants legal and illegal the population of this tiny island has skyrocketed
Regarding knife crime in the UK. Stabbings are seen as a big problem in the UK, and ARE a big problem looking at it from a British perspective. However, the US has as much knife crime per capita as the UK. It just doesn't get the attention it gets in the UK, because US knife crime gets completely overshadowed by its massive gun crime problem, which isn't the case in the UK. So it is incorrect to state that the UK has a bigger knife crime problem than the US. It doesn't.
Good question Jps , Arturo - why does anyone need a shotgun ? Only reason I can think of is maybe a farmer with pest animal problems. But then I think they often use a rifle as it's more specific
Vermin clearance (it's easier to hit crows on the wing with a shotgun than a rifle, and if you've got a rat problem a shotgun blast can handle multiple rats at once), clay pigeon and target shooting, sometimes putting down injured animals that you can't approach to use a captive bolt gun, and are thrashing around too much for a rifle shot - or of course you can load the shotgun with slug instead of shot if you could take a rifle shot. They're more flexible, so a shotgun with different ammunition is a better option. Mostly it's farmers and land management types though.
As far as I know in Britain no toddler has taken a gun from mum’s handbag (purse) and shot her. I do not think a toddler has knifed a parent or thrown acid. There is a problem right now with some people owning the Bully XL dog attacking, killing or maiming adults and children alike - why does anyone need to have such a dog as a pet? Something wrong with them psychologically.
I'm British but I do have an American nephew who is a gun nut. We once had a long discussion about the problems associated with gun ownership in the US. Unfortunately, when he failed to put forward any really coherent arguments in favour of un-regulated gun ownership, all he could say was "I love my guns and nobody will take them away from me".
@@nuttycommuter3718 The problem with Jim Jefferies is that he thinks humor instantly makes him correct. I could not find much data on Australian mass shootings but I did find data on the murder rate in Australia when guns were banned. In 1996 murders were already on a down trend from 1990 which is where my data begins. Then when guns were banned in 1996 we don’t see the numbers drop instantly its a slow down trend with many small spikes until 2003 (six years after the gun buy back ended) where we get our first major decline since our data started in 1990. The main problem is that before the gun buyback murder rates had dropped just as fast. What Jim did was set up mass shootings and used it to push his argument and then just straight up ignores murder rates as a whole because the ban had no effect on them.
@@nuttycommuter3718 Jim also thinks that there is only one good argument for having guns and that is “I like guns” this is a straight up wrong statement. There are many reasons to own a firearm other than just the I like guns. First off, the police will not always get their in time (or at all) to help you. Second, the second amendment was written to ensure that we had the tools we would need to overthrow the government if the need ever arose and guns are the tool we need to do just that. Third, to put food on the table. Fourth, sporting (target practice.). Jim seams to not realize that these “assault rifles” are a perfectly good means of self defense. He has absolutely no ground on which to stand the fact that the media likes calling black guns with a telescoping stock and a pistol grip an assault weapons does not mean that they are not great defensive tools. They work just the same as any other semiautomatic rifle they just look a little different.
It's amazing how Americans can identify a type of gun with just a glance . It just isn't part of our culture and I've never seen one unless it's carried by military or armed Police on protection duty . Home defence isn't normally a valid reason as any use of force has to be proportional to the threat .
Its ironic that UK army soldiers only have experience using their rifles, not pistols (unless they are officers), So if they pass Special Forces selection, they have to do extensive hand gun training.
Another great reaction thank you! Quick correction to that Vid, the UK population as of 2023 is around 68 million, not 56 million. Being from the UK, perhaps I've been lucky but never in my life (I'm nearly 60) have I known or seen anyone owning or carrying a gun here. Except the odd Farmer, Soldiers and Police at airports or important buildings in London etc. I'ts just not something the vast majority of people think or care about here. During visits to places like New York City, Chicago, Denver, Boston, Washington, Philadelphia & Mass. and friends who live in Delaware the same is true, I never saw anyone with a gun apart from police and security agents. In fact the first time I ever saw a handgun up close was my friend's in Wilmington, Delaware! People in the UK might find it hard to believe but walking in the "tourist" areas of those cities I felt perfectly safe, but again perhaps I was just very lucky.
It’s not just gun deaths that are low in the UK, but homicides in general. In 2022, for example, there were 602 homicides, which is less than two per day, or about one per million of population. Knives are involved in about 40% of homicides, so it’s still low.
In a modern advanced society you have to question the use and ownership of guns outside of leisure use. I hear the argument that they are used for protection of life and property used often. However, if your house is burgled and your 70” tv is being stolen and you shoot the thief are we really saying that the value of a 70” tv is greater than that of a human life? I’d suggest that whilst the theft is a despicable act the taking of a life in recompense is totally disproportionate.
Comparing the 2 countries knife crime - There are 0.6 murders per 100k in the US & 0-08 per 100k in the UK so you're 7.6 times MORE likely to be killed by a knife in the US than the UK.
We have Long Bows built into ours, in general these became a bit cumbersome, so we moved to Darts. Must practice my Arrows 1 per week, preferably Sunday afternoon, in the pub.
In Australia you need to undergo checks plus you need to prove you have a valid reason for wanting a certain firearm. Personal protection is not a valid reason in Australia whereas it appears to be the main reason put forward for gun owership in the US. Australians, and it appears citizens of most other developed nations, feel safe in their homes & walking the streets.
Personal protection is a reason to have a hand gun in Australia. There isn't a country on earth which doesn't have some law allowing it. It's a thing in the UK as well (under section 5). They are just issued with zero publicity to people who are either rich or know people in high places. It makes sense as imagine a James Bond type retiring from spying. Highly trained, lots of people wanting to hurt him. It makes no sense to assign him a bodyguard 25/7 with less training than him at massive expense. Same with politicians, if they are ex army or ex military letting them have a hand gun saves the tax payer 100,000s a year on police costs. They would just have to do the Firearms Safety Test for professionals every year. The way Australia seems to do it is your licenced to body guard yourself.
In the US we have over 350 million “documented” people but the numbers are probably closer to 400 million. We have a terrible prison system and the mental health system is even worse. We do have restrictions on firearms and who can legally carry them. The problem their are more violent criminals and mentally unstable people who are not treated and will not stop doing what they do. Crime was much lower when we had state mental institutions (a lot of them were horrible places). More people are murdered by fists, feet and objects than they are by all rifles combined in the US. More than 60% of firearms deaths in the US are by suicide. Most of the other deaths are gang and drug related and or police involved shootings with suspects. Majority happen in the inner cities. Their are a lot of stolen firearms used in the gang and drug related crimes do to improper storage weather it be in a car or home. Their are around 400 million guns in the US. It is and would be impossible to confiscate them regardless of the constitution because those are the known guns, not the privately manufactured or illegally transported (from out of the country) guns. The only people that would hand them in are the “law abiding” which probably wouldn’t go to well. The criminals who are armed to the teeth with illegal weapons, some of which are illegally modified to fully automatic would never hand them in. Many towns and cities do police buyback’s (which actually makes no sense since they were not bought from the city, town or police in the first place) but most of them are old junk and the people turning them in just use the money for new stuff or ammunition. We need to do a whole hell of a lot better with our mental health system and definitely need to stop the revolving door of multiple offenses violent criminals be let back out on the streets. We are not perfect by any means as a country but until outsiders see the psychotic mentality ill people and violent criminals we have roaming our streets up close and personal, you would get a better understanding of why firearms owners are reluctant to deal with more bureaucratic restrictions while DA’s in the cities hand down light sentences or no sentences at all for criminals and maniacs.
Uk farmer’s wife here. My husband has a shotgun licence. The guns have to be kept in a secure lockable cabinet which is not easily visible to intruders. Local police check up on this. Only my husband knows where he keeps the keys. Our sons were taught how to use air guns safely but they were not particularly interested so none have gone on to get license or guns of their own. They are, however, quite interested in archery.
Rowan Atkinson's 'The Thin Blue Line' sitcom, where he plays one Chief Constable Fowler in charge of a town's police station, has an interesting take on gun licensing. Fowler has to approve all gun licences in the town, and refuses to approve any on the grounds that if anyone actually wants to own a gun, then they are clearly unsuitable to do so as in his opinion only insane people want to own guns. Being asked by a colleague to help one of his sportsman friends to get a licence for a hunting rifle Fowler refuses on the grounds there are no wild animals to hunt in the area.
I have often wondered after all the public statements after so many massacres, that membership of the NRA in the US should be a valid reason to refuse entry into the UK?
Thats based on Jasper Carrots old joke about owning a machine gun. If I remember the the joke went something like this 'There shouldn't be ten pages of questions about owning a machine gun, there should just be one question which is :do you want to own a machine gun'?' If you answer yes you are clearly not a sane person to do so.
@@spyidr1892 @petereastwood1I think you need to use the full title National Rifle Association of America(NRA). Although the UK had a National Rifle Association earlier the NRA has no Affiliation with the UK based one.
In UK shops are not allowed to sell fire arms, there are shops everywhere that sell cutlery. Some large and small knifes, and most homes have all sorts of knifes, so how can we crack down on knifes?
@williamgardner2739 uk shops are allowed to sell shotguns and firearms, my local gun shop is also a pet shop. As long as the shop holds the correct licencing then thwy can sell guns. Shotgun cartriges can be sold by any buidness for example pubs, and anyone can possess shotgun cartriges without a licence
I have never understood why anyone would ever want or need to own a gun, the USA must be a terrible place to live if most people there feel so afraid that they think they need one.
i can see why living in the woods/forest/wilds of Alaska that a gun would be a useful tool and can provide food and protection, so i would NEVER say a total ban. but in a city? do you need a 50cal for the rats? or a AR15 for the street beggars?
You would change your tune if you were ever raped, attacked or assaulted in the streets. Women can’t walk home from pubs at Night alone. The streets Havant been safer for women for decades and they should be
I served as a police officer in Newham, a rough area of London, for 15 years, and in that time, never once was faced, or had to deal with anyone carrying a gun. The general perception in the US, from what People read and see on TV, is that we have a serious knife problem in the UK. In the year ending March 2022, UK Government data shows there were 261 homicides using a sharp instrument, including knives and broken bottles. That’s in a population of 67.5 million. We just don’t tend to go round murdering each other in the UK.
When was that video even made? The population of the UK hasn't been 56 million for like 40 years. I suspect he means the population of England is around 56 million... which is still a weird error to make.
Another good video thank you. We’re culturally very different with guns over here and it still blows my mind how you guys can open carry. Great point at the end about the people being the government. Love from Durham, England.
It comes down to culture really. We don’t feel the need to have guns in UK. Whereas in the US there is a fetishisation of them. Simple as that. UK Criminals that have guns tend to use them on each other rather than the public ( as strange as that sounds). We associate guns with criminals, not for our protection. On stabbing , it’s very similar, thugs on thugs but yes innocent people do get killed sometimes. For perspective, there were 602 murders in the UK in total last year.
The culture in the UK is people who love guns. Just have the guns on the condition that they don't publicize the fact. If you have the money, you can own anything you like. You just have to own it under a company.
There are 3 main types of license in the UK; Section 1 (Firearms), Section 2 (Shotguns), Section 5 (Anything goes). The shotgun license is slightly different in that the justification required is minimal, the firearms license is tough to get now a days...... and the section 5 is mainly for exporting arms dealers etc.
@@spyidr1892 7.1 (shooting a pre 1990 pistol at a closed range, weapon kept at range) and 7.3 (keeping a pre 1990 pistol at home but not shooting it). But in reality with long barrelled pistols and muzzle loading black power pistols there are other options.
I’m a Brit…When my boys were children, I never allowed them to play with toy weapons, knives or guns. They didn’t seem to notice or care and I don’t see how weapons of war are something that should be ‘played with’.. Parents need to teach their kids the responsibility of holding a weapon let alone use them.
I was licensed for a .357 magnum and a .44 magnum, both revolvers. They could only be loaded with a single round as the other chambers were leaded. These weapons were for a specific use which was the uthenasia of sick or stricken farm animals. The background checks were something else. This was back in 2006 so I do not know if it is still the same now. Also I did not own them, they belonged to the company I worked for, and they were not stored at my home but at the office. The company was called Peaks in Cornwall.
They are still legal to own they are known as dispatch pistols, they are used to cull livestock eithically and they are also used by comercial deer hunters just in case a giant stag isnt quite dead when you approach it
US gun control policy: 1. Hose down the blood 2. Send thoughts and prayers 3. Do nothing - now is not the time to talk about such things 4. Repeats steps 1 - 3.
3. Do nothing if it doesn't include the word ban, confiscate or F your rights. People try to pass bills that would actually help without stomping on rights, then the same people saying you aernt doing anything shut it down if the first sentence isn't met. Rinse and repeat.
In the UK we're very sensitive to seeing or hearing about guns because they are so rare. Very few people have them and so nobody feels like they need them. America would definitely be safer without guns, but it requires everyone to give up on them simultaneously, otherwise you'll be left in a situation where people still think they'll be outgunned if they are unarmed. Australia managed a very successful amnesty and transition away from free gun ownership. You should check out what they did. :)
It really depends on where you live and your social circles / hobbies. I am a coach / range officer here in the UK and our range has about 40 .22 rifles and quite a few air pistols / rifles. Most of the people I know do know my hobby! Safety is taken very seriously, we kicked one member out once and he will never be around any firearm again as it's in his police file.
I'm 68 and British. When I was at school I joined the Air Force cadets. We had a collection of .22 rifles (singe-shot - no magazines) that we used to take to a local Army site for taget shooting. I also remember once shooting a .303 rifle while camping on an Air Force base. It was fun, but Ive never felt the need to own a gun.
I prefer that we have strict gun laws in uk. As much as there is knife crime I still feel safer knowing that most of us do not possess a gun! That my children and my grandchildren were/are safe at school. My dad owed guns as he a farmer but growing up I never had access to them as they were always under lock and key if he wasn’t using them. My parents took it very seriously and so we knew from a young age that the guns were dangerous and for my dad only. Freedom is something we all feel is our right but how free are we when we live in fear.
It's not lack of firearm ownership that makes it safer, it's that firearms owners are checked by doctors and police and have to be members of a club....the restrictions on what's allowed to be owned do nothing to prevent shootings...the owners do.
@@Hungry_Box And yet, the USA with the highest number of civil gun ownership in the world - circa 42% of all civilian owned guns, but only circa 4% of the global population - has more gun deaths than ALL other developed countries combined.
@@Hungry_Box Well, yes it does. The fewer people who have guns, the less chance there is of anyone going on a shooting spree - ffs it simple logic which is born out by the daily shooting sprees in the USA which, by June this year, had had more mass shootings than there were days in the year to that point.
Here in Scotland, you need a licence to own an airgun. A few years ago, just before that law was introduced, there was an amnesty whereby you could surrender your weapons. Our Police don't routinely carry firearms, but we do have Armed response units. Our gun ownership rules changed after the Dunblane massacre.
A quirk of UK fire arms licensing is, that you can own an ex military tank with a fully active smooth bore gun if you have a shotgun licence. Rifled gun however would need to be certified as deactivated.
Population of the UK was 67 million in 2021, so it’s probably nudging 70 million now. I think they quoted 56 million in the video,Great video again guys 😎
Switzerland, Austria, Czechia, Poland, Italy, Slovenia, Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania etc etc all have very liberal gun laws and have far less mass shootings per head of population than Britain. In fact the place which is safest in the UK, Northern Ireland actually has the most liberal gun laws.
@@davedavids57 True, but those nations also require licensing/training before acquisition. That's a key point, so while they may be more liberal in purchasing, licensing is till required. Also forgot to mention that caliber, magazines and enhancements are restricted in many of the aforementioned nations as well, it's not the free for all you're implying.
@@JonInCanada1 No but they all have laws more liberal than the UK had prior to the Hungerford attacks in 1987. Also many nations don't require licences or training before the buying of a firearm or ammunition. Switzerland and Austria don't require licences for most guns. In Austria if you want a gun you can buy it straight from a shop US style, no licence needed for cat c guns or ammo. Just a weapons ban database check and three day cooling off period. That's actually more liberal than the US as non violent felony convictions don't ban you from keeping weapons. No countries I know of at least in Europe (apart from the anti gun countries of Ireland, UK, Holland) restrict caliber below 50 BMG (like the USA). There are magazine laws, but only Germany doesn't allow loop holes. I am British and I moved out to Central Euorpe to get away from the increasingly crazy British system and it's amazing what in a healthy society people can own without a problem.
Yes, we do have a share of our very own gun related incidents that did happen here in Australia which are, (1 One) The (1984) Father's Day Milperra Massacre on the (2nd) September, (1984) in Sydney, New South Wales that involved in the shootout war between the Bikie Gangs of both of the rival groups of the Banditos & the Comancheros. There were only (7 Seven) people were killed & (28 Twenty-Eight) people were injured in the incident of course. (2 Two) The Hoddle Street Massacre that happened on Sunday, (9th) August (1987), in Hoddle Street, Clifton Hill, a suburb of Melbourne, Victoria, in which resulted that (7 Seven) Deaths & (19 Nineteen) Injured by a 19-year-old former Australian Army officer cadet Julian Knight was caught in nearby Fitzroy North and arrested for the shootings. Julian Knight was later sentenced to (7 Seven) concurrent sentences of life imprisonment with a non-parole period of (27 Twenty-Seven) years for what was described by the presiding judge as "one of the bloodiest massacres in Australian history. He owned a Number of licensed weapons which are a .177 calibre Daisy BB air rifle, a .177 calibre Chinese air rifle, a .177 calibre Crosman model 766 air rifle, a .22 calibre Ruger model 10/22 semi-automatic rifle, a 12-gauge Mossberg pump-action shotgun, and a Chinese-made 7.62mm calibre M14 semi-automatic military rifle. Knight retrieved the Ruger rifle. The motive of this gun incident by Julian Knight of the Hoddle Street Massacre is unknown of course. (3 Three) The Port Arthur Massacre that happened on the (28th) April, (1996) in Port Arthur in Tasmania in which the perpetrator of Martin Bryant who actually did killed (35 Thirty-Five) people & injured (23) people, He was given (35) life sentences of imprisonment with OUT Parole for these murders of his shooting spree. Martin Bryant's suspected motivations for the massacre were the refusal of the sale of Seascape by owners David and Noelene Martin and to become notorious, as revealed by his lawyer, on the Channel (7 Seven) program Sunday Night, air date Sunday, 6 March 2016. From the moment he was captured, he continually wanted to know how many people he had killed and seemed impressed by the number. Bryant is allowed to listen only to music on a radio outside his cell and is denied access to any news reports of his massacre. Photographers who took pictures of him in his prison cell were forced to destroy the film in his presence when the Governor found out. (4 Four) The Strathfield Massacre was a shooting rampage at a shopping centre in Strathfield, Sydney, on the (17th) August (1991). The shooter was Wade Frankum, who killed himself as police arrived at the scene. The incident left (8 Eight) people Dead and (6 Six) Wounded. He (Wade Frankum) who was armed with a Chinese-made SKS Semi-Automatic Rifle & also a 50cm Bowie Knife as well too. The motive/s of this incident by Wade Frankum are unknown of course. Reply
I have both section 2(shotgun) certificate and section 1(firearms) certificate, as mentioned there are different hoops to jump through for each one. S2, police need a reason not to issue, whereas S1 you need to prove why you need one. S2 allows the purchase of as many shotguns as you feel you need, all must be correctly stored, S1 states on the certificate what caliber of weapon you can have, how many (usually 1-2) and the number of rounds of ammo you can hold at any time. the larger the caliber the less you can have. 22rf 600-1000 is common but 308 etc is around 300 or less. As for black powder, well that's another story.
When I visited USA (Florida) in 2010 I went into a Walmart and was just shocked as I went through an isle all of a sudden there was rifles and shotguns!!! The ammo on the shelves like it was packs of sweets!!! 😂
True, and it's surely horrible for the survivors, but people generally survive. But even with last year's numbers (which were 69% up on the previous year), it would still take over 56 *YEARS* to reach the number of people killed by guns in the US *SO* *FAR* in 2023
Hello Joel and pal. My first memory is seeing my unarmed dad on TV kick in the door at an armed siege for armed colleagues to storm in. After first seeing open carry in Nashville and being shocked, my friend laughed at me. The man in a baseball cap was a security guard for the motel. In Texas I was taken to a gun fair and was offered a Chinese made kalashnikov for around fifty dollars. On hearing I was English, the seller offered me a side arm for thirty dollars on private sale, with me responsible to register it later. People there feel they need them, miles from help, out in the desert, with folk you do not know you can trust and dangerous animals out there.
Just think of the level of anxiety knowing that any time you could be randomly shot at work, school, in traffic, while at a concert or just in your backyard waiting for some celebratory round from a drunk neighbour to drop on you - low chance but not unimaginable. At least in Australia we know if we are shot it will by - in order of likelihood - 1.) someone we know well who owns a gun (zero chance for most) b) an overwrought police officer while you are having a public psychotic break (not zero chance heheh , iii) driving through one particular street in one particular suburb while shouting insults about one particular dodgy guy’s mother. D) after scamming some major drug dealer who you have known for some time. Otherwise, pretty much zero chance of random death by gunfire. Whereas in the US you can get shot in a cinema for talking too loud or playing loud music in a car park or getting in the wrong car by mistake. Freedom. Right.
It's nowhere near as bad as you're making out. I've spent time in the US, and unless I was actively looking for firearms I didn't see any. The only people I saw openly carrying firearms were military and law enforcement personnel, and people in gun stores. My ex's father has half a dozen guns. Several handguns and two rifles. I didn't see any of their guns until I asked to. This was in and around St Louis too - the most dangerous city in the US. Because I'm British, I naturally can't carry a firearm. Despite being unarmed in a nation with over 120 guns to every 100 people, not once did I feel like I was about to get shot. The possibility didn't even cross my mind once.
Happy to say Canada has a similar system as the UK, but we do have a problem with US guns entering the country by US criminal types and, sometimes, tourists who don't realize there's no 2nd Amendment here. The former gets jail, the latter gets it confiscated (return upon return to the US) and possibly a small fine. Happy to have the regulation of firearms.
Okay this is all my British perspective on US law The American Second Amendment has issues as it was written for those old single-loading muskets that weren’t that accurate and took time to reload. It wasn’t designed for modern weapons. Then you have the US Supreme Court ruling on how the section of “as part of a well-regulated militia” should be interpreted as random individuals comprising a loose national militia. If everyone who owned a gun was part of a local town/county/state-run militia that made sure everyone kept up with gun safety and best practices it would prob be better for society and still work with the existing local culture
I've never understood the rabid reaction to tightening up of the gun laws in the States with talk about constitutional rights and the second amendment. For God's sake, it has amendment in the title so is not an inalienable right but a change to what was originally agreed. Laws change all the time, and that is how it should be.
You have to remember that laws in the US are not written according to the wishes of the majority of the population, but how much power lobby and religious groups have over politicians. For example, 61% are in favour of a woman's right to choose abortion, that doesn't stop numerous anti-abortion laws being passed. Sometimes a politician is safer by doing nothing.
@@grahvis No I do understand that it is lobbying groups like the NRA that wield the power. Politicians are weak minded puppets that only have their own interests at heart. It doesn't make it right.
While an Amendment, it's Emboldened by our bill of rights. And with a significant portion of the population being armed, there will never be a major majority vote to Amend the 2A.
I used to live on a farm when I was in my late teens - the farm had a few guns. Mostly used to protect livestock from foxes/pest control and as a fast way to put down an ailing animal. Those guns/ammunition were kept at all times in a locked cabinet inside a locked room. The farm owner held those keys at all times. I'm thankful that over here in the UK we just can't purchase one over the counter and the licences are hard to get.
@robertstallard7836 That's the point though, they're hard to get for loonies and criminals. You don't need to worry about the normal people with a good reason.
Before 1987 and the hungerford massacre our gun laws were much looser, however after the tragedy a gun amnesty was held were people handed over their weapons to prevent this from happening again
I think police not carrying guns, except for some circumstances, and the fact most don't want to... makes a huge difference to the culture and view of guns. We just don't see them. Unless you are at Parliament, or at an airport, you never see anyone carrying a gun.
to be honest it really isn't that big a deal. you go through most of europe and the police will have a sidearm of some sort, typically 9mm glock or similar. Some places you may have been to on holiday, you might have been sitting close to a sky marshall,and not even realised.
It was the Dunblane Massacre in 1996 in Scotland where a "Scout Leader" with a grudge, walked into a Primary School and shot 1 teacher and 15 5 year old kids dead and left many more seriously injured. It was this disgraceful act that had the UK decide on our gun laws. As to knife crime, there has always been knife crime. But in my community as a kid, you could play with knives but knew you had to be careful. I remember after school this kid pulled a knife on a kid he called out to fight. We were disgusted, all jumped him, "cowards use knives", took it off him and he got a fat lip. Whereas now we have "cultures" new to UK and kids now carrying knives as an excuse for protection. Two friends and I were jumped by a gang from no where, an actual "racist" attack on "whites", would you believe one night mid 90's. I had a butterfly knife thrust in my face, so close to cutting my eyes. I managed to get my friends we escaped, but one of us was been cut and had to go to Hospital. These guys were scum, looking for trouble and easy targets, they couldn't have took us with fists, in fact one of the lads had beaten two of them in self defense. I had never come across such hatred before or insults that made me laugh, if this had happened today and been "on the other foot" it would have been on the news.
"You can legally own an AR-15 OR A GRENADE LAUNCHER - but bro, fit a switch to a pistol and it's like 20 years". Seems legit 👍 Also - the proportions of knife crime have already been mentioned several times; with a gun you can kill 20 people in seconds. With a knife you can stab one, maybe two, (not necessarily kill them) and then everyone runs away and can't be reached by the knife any more. The potential for mass killings just doesn't exist with a knife in the same way as it does with a projectile weapon.
Actually mass stabbings happen far frequently than you think. It happened in Canada recently. Also mass stabbings, mass ramming, mass bombings, mass anything. If a person is willing to cause chaos and mass events. They will do so regardless. If there is a will there is a way.
Just a quick note for Arturo, there is a knife crime problem here in the UK but it's mostly in the larger towns and cities, however, on a per head of population basis there is a higher rate of knife crime in the US than there is over here, it's just that you have so much gun crime over there in the US that you don't get to hear about the "stab work" as much and here it stands out more.
Really important comment. It's a talking point in the US that there's a lot of knife crime here, as if it's merely a weapon substitution issue. Nothing could be further from the truth. Even if the US didn't have a gun crime issue, the knife crime rate would still be significantly worse.
The argument is used by pro gun lobbies in the US to discredit the lack of guns in the UK.
Yes and knives are an 'up close and personal' weapons meaning as an ordinary law abiding member of the public you're very unlikely to get caught up in a stabbing.
The USA suffers 5x more murders per capita every year than us, and about every country in Europe. So however many knife murders we might have in the UK, it's barely an issue compared to what's happening in the USA.
There is a skewed perception at work.
In the UK a deadly stabbing makes the national news, in the US it would even make the local ones.
Freedom is not when you own a gun, freedom is when you can walk around without needing a gun
@youcallthishell. FREEDOM not FREEDOME.
The trouble walking round with others who have guns doesn't make anyone feel safe and consequently you are less free.
No, that’s naivety not freedom.
@@michaeltagg492not if they’re licensed firearm owners, they save lives. All these millennials who just don’t understand reality..
@@bushbabybotha9943 And when you are walking down the street how do you know what their intention is. I live in the UK, and apart from 1/2 dozen inner city shithole neighborhoods in the whole country I would be quite happy walking at night. Despite what you hear we have less than 1000 murders a year and most of those are either gang on gang or acts of domestic violence. Visiting my daughter last year near Portland Oregon we went to Cannon Beach, beautiful spot to walk her dog, This place is rich mans holiday destination. While walking we met a lady whose dog was playing with ours and we stopped for a chat, I couldn't help noticing she had a gun in a chest holster. I couldn't help thinking if I felt so unsafe that I needed a gun walking on beach I would go 300 miles north and live in Vancouver Canada. Thankfully most people in Oregon don't buy into this stupid idea that guns keep you free, they don't they imprison you in fear, like the woman on the beach.
I always find it interesting when somone from the US talks about the high knife crime in the UK. I see it in UA-cam videos and I've heard both US politicians and US chatshow hosts talk about it. Knife crime in the UK is high by OUR standards, which is why the UK media highlight it so much. As others have mentioned, fatalities from knife crimes in the US is actually higher per capita than the UK. It's got closer in recent years, but the US is always higher. The fact that the US media outlets don't report these fatalities from knife crimes as being a big issue is probably indicative of the high number of gun related deaths.
Per capita it's significantly lower than at least some states in the USA and about on par with the safer US States....
The only time statistics show the UK to be significantly more stabby than the USA is the number of stabbings as a percentage of total homicides.
41% of UK homicides involve a sharp object (knives machetes etc) whereas only 4% of total homicides involve a firearm which is less than strangulation and no additional weapons (kicking, punching etc)
In the USA only 11% of homicides are stabbings whereas 46% are from handguns and a further 15% from other guns or firearm of unspecified type
It fits their agenda of "look, people are dicks with or without guns, so better to have a gun in case someone comes at you with a knife"
Guns only purpose is to kill people, knives purpose is to cut food (some people misuse them granted and doesn’t negate its purpose)
Yep, was going to post the same.
It's highlighted by a certain group to try and suggest what happens when you don't have guns everywhere. The fact that the US has higher rates of knife crime as well is overlooked in the argument.
Knife crime in the UK is mostly drugs/gang related, and overwhelmingly involves young men between 14-22. You are highly unlikely to be knifed in the streets unless you are involved in a gang.
I'd agree with the 'young men between 14-22' statement. From personal experience though, that's all you need to be wary in small-town UK. No need to be gang/drugs related. Just a young male at the wrong time, wrong pub.
I actually felt safer moving to London as it was easier to avoid the dodgy pubs. Chance of being mugged was probably higher in London but much less likely some over-hormoned yob would decide you'd be his next 'fun' target on the walk home.
I used to live in the 'East End' of London (a pretty rough area). In the 10 years I lived there, I heard of only two fatal stabbings and not a single person being shot. (There may have been more, but never featured on the local news; when it did happen, it got major coverage)
I live in an area of London with a large black population that has had several stabbings yet I as a middle aged white man have no fear for my safety, even if I go out at 2am to find a shop when I've run out of gaming chocolate!
And they are mostly of a specific racial group
@@CHINZIG_UK Absolutely not in my case. Usual chav in pub experience or wandering down the street getting accosted by some football firm. I'm old enough to remember having to avoid skinheads every night when coming back from the pub just cos I had blue hair or something.
As a Brit, I have to say that I ❤️the gun laws we have here in the UK 🇬🇧.
#truth
💯 why would anyone wanna live in America Lol
@@JemmaThomas-se7sb 💯 Me either, don’t mind going to America for a holiday but NOT to emigrate.
@@mannym7849 even the schools ain't safe you get a death at least every week or more
Another great Labour Party policy after Dunblane.
Actually, the number of knife homicides per capita is lower in the UK than in the USA.
@@lewisb6623 its done per 1000 people so size of country doesnt matter
@@lewisb6623That’s why the comment included ‘per capita’, so the size of the country is irrelevant.
@@lewisb6623 You seem to have missed the term "per capita." According to the World Population Review website, the UK has 0.08 stabbings per 100,000 people while the USA has 0.6 per 100,000. In other words, the USA's knife problem is an order of magnitude larger than the UK's.
@@lewisb6623🙄
@@lewisb6623 How to tell everyone you don't know what per capita means
Knife crime is still higher in the US than in the UK. Both need to get themselves sorted out
UK isn't even the size of cali, so kind of makes sense.
@@charliecosta3971 didn't see your name tagged, the guy I replied to was clearly on about all together, stating that it's still higher in the US than UK, obviously that makes sense 😂 Per capita is a different statistic to compare than the statement he made.
@@charliecosta3971 where did you get those statistics?
@@charliecosta3971he is a she. Not talking about cities. I was talking about the countries.
In July 2022
Latest figures show 4.96 homicides “due to knives or cutting instruments” in America for every million of the population in 2016. In Britain the figure was 3.26.
@@charliecosta3971 No buddy, you do yours - Knife crime IS higher per capita in the whole USA than the whole of the UK, which is what was stated, not New York versus London. Your gun crime and knife crime is what puts the USA 157th on the global peace index, and the UK 64th.
Fun fact, there are more stabbings per capita in the USA than in the UK. You just hear about them more here, because homicides are less frequent and make the national news, unlike in the States.
You are 5 times more likely to be murdered by any weapon in the US compared to the UK.
Fun facts as well. Knives kill 3 times more people annually than all rifles, including AR 15s. Hands and feet kill almost double as well. Violence is also on a downward trend annually especially after the cough cough 2020,21 years. Yet gun sales have skyrocketed.
Also these numbers include gang related violence which is the vast majority of our violence, gun violence and mass shootings. UK only has about 4000 members while the US has over 1,000,000. Thus is why our numbers are higher.
That does actually make me feel a lot better in terms of safety since I live in England
@Lewis-py8jl It's because they do not have many huge cities like we do. They also have very very little gangs which is already the vast majority of our crimes and violence.
fun fact, if you remove a certain group from America, the murder rates with guns are actually fairly close or equal to the lowest European countries but it's racist to point that out.
@@brianbailey7858 Isnt this a bit like saying if you remove the people that murder people from a country then the murder rate will drop.
Wait- you can't have a beer until you are 21, but you can buy a lethal weapon at 18?
and drive a 3ton truck at 14
@ justme-ks8qc To the best of my knowledge. That came about because they lowered adult age to draft people for WW2 and the fact that many 18 year olds wanted to hunt so they brought the legal age to buy a long gun down from 21 to 18. Imo I think 18 year olds should be legally able to do anything 21 year olds can do because they are both expected to have the same responsibilities.
In the UK there isn't an age limit for gun ownership. It's very very common for under 18s to own guns in England with the youngest gun owner being a 7 year old!! Reference "Youngest holder of a shotgun licence is just seven years" Telegraph 23 Jul 2020
Given their proclivity for gun violence, I'd say letting them drink at a younger age while having access to guns would be worse...though that's not saying much.
Problem is you cant say someone is an adult than not give them the same rights as adults while at the same time giving them all the responsibility of being an adult
I live in London - south London at that, the most infamously stabby bit of London - and I'm not especially worried about being a victim of knife crime. Like gun violence in the US, a hell of a lot of it is gang-related, so if you're not in a gang or an affiliated to one your risk from knife crime goes down significantly. Of course you could still get mugged or just be in the wrong place at the wrong time, but that's true in any city.
Must be near Croydon then. I used to work there.
I live in Croydon and I agree with this comment.
Ealing reporting in and I agree.
I’m not going to name where I live (I’m OP under a different account), but I’ll just say I live smack dab in the middle of a cluster of particularly interesting estates that whenever you google their names all you see is a string of news stories like “Murder”, “Brutal murder” “Murder” “Two murdered” “Murder”, etc lol
And yet I as a fairly nondescript-looking white bloke walking through them go entirely without notice, given I’m not a roadman violating anyone’s turf.
The Gun is so intrinsically linked with the formation of the USA. That it has become a symbol of ideals.
Here in UK guns are tools not culturally iconic symbols.
Unfortunately, US citizens still hold dear a ‘Wild West’ mentality.
What's ironic is you guys are the reason why it's a protected right here. Because your kings and queens decided to be A holes and we were forced to use our own Arms to defeat the most powerful empire at the time.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 I think that was French Arms.
@@stephenlee5929 Doesn't matter. It was privately owned firearms, whether bought or made themselves. Which is why the 2A was enshrined because they knew historically governments cannot simply enforce its will on well armed citizens.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015thank you 👏lt never gets old listening to uneducated young people about the importance of our history. All of those monuments they want to destroy that teach us what happens when you leave yourself unprotected especially in the USA. As a female I NEVER am safe but with my ability to defend myself I am not living in constant fear of being attacked. Until the day that the RAPE, ASSAULT, MOLESTATION, or DEATH of women or girls becomes an automatic death sentence I will always be protected from men. Period.
We have shotguns as we are a farm. The guns have to be kept in a locked cabinet which is fixed to the wall. Ammunition has to be kept separately. We are inspected fairly regularly by the police firearm's officer who comes and checks we are following the law.
I have a over and under 12 bore, i have never had a inspection
@@spyidr1892 Are you that farmer out of Hot Fuzz?
Ever heard about gypsy gunfights?
@@spyidr1892an easy way to consider the difference between shotgun certs and an FAC is that a shotgun certificate is broadly issued based on "is there any reason to deny access?"
A firearms cert is issued based on "is there any reason to permit access?".
That may explain your lack of inspection.
@@lmaoroflcopter not really. the FAC is determined on what purpose you need the weapon for.
Deterrance is not really on the list. vermin control is.
you can be a little political with the language I suppose...vermin contol is generally deemed to be rats and foxes,which present a danger to your stock either physically or biologically.
Using your mouth as a firearm substitute is an art form.
and the British are the best at it. lol.
The only thing louder that a glock is the ‘P’ when a British person calls you a pussyhole
@@shaunwild8797 100%. Though honourable mention should go to our Australian cousins.
@@smockboyAbsolutely. The Aussies can certainly hold their own.
@@smockboy Not far behind us.lol.
Growing up with a licenced gun owning dad. (Rifle for Target shooting and shotguns for game shooting) I know that we had regular visits from the police firearms officer to check that the guns was being stored safely and the ammunition was stored away from the guns. Any infringements could remove the right to own the guns and your Firearms licence immediately.
Not a right, a paid-for privilege.
If the police refuse to issue a firearms certificate you can appeal to a magistrates' court; I've been a magistrate for 25 years and I've never actually heard such a case, and only once heard ( as court of fist instance) any case involving a firearm. I sit in a court in a large English city.
I would love to hear some of your experiences 🙂👍
Refuse? In spite of the applicant having served his or her six months probie time in a club, and having been deemed fit by the club secretary and two other referees? That's VERY unusual.
interesting, if you are a magistrate.
Would you not concur,then, that a lot of current legislation is technically illegal?
the right to protect oneself(as per petition of right), is actually a legal obligation...as was enacted back in jacobite uprising days..
If I were to walk down the street on a sunday morning fully tooled up with a longbow and projectiles, and if stopped, say I am doing training.....that IS still a legal requirement under the law.That has never been repealed as it is common law, not statute.
The foes have changed, but the concept has not.
@@bigmacntings7451 that's bollocks, unfortunately. The law (if it ever existed) was certainly replealed in 1843, and by subsequent legislation, and it was obvious a statute law if it was passed by Parliament since it's difficult to see how the common law could oblige anyone to actually practice any skill (other than common sense). The right to protect oneself doesn't permit the carrying of offensive weapons or dangerous items, and predates the Jacobites ( an odd reference since those with very tenuous grip on legal history often claim all laws since the forced departure of James II are invalid).
You cannot appeal to magistrates court as firearms licencing appeals are dealth with by the Crown Court. To do this you have to pay your own legal costs and even if you win the case cannot claim your costs back from the police unless you are able to prove they were not just wrong in their decsion making but also negligent. The system is designed to prevent appeals by sheer weight of cost.
Funny. I’m 69 and have never seen a gun in my life, except for a couple of shotguns that my mate had for clay pigeon shooting, and they were securely locked away. I remember Dunblane like it was yesterday.
Here in the UK were are proud that we can insult someone into submission.
Never seen a gun? But seen some shotguns...er...🤔
@@SeeDaRipper... the magic word been "except"....der
@@SeeDaRipper... Perhaps I should have said ‘firearms or bullety guns’. To be honest, I would have expected most adults to have understood my meaning.
@@terryspeck3896The term 'except' holds no relevance as the term 'never' was used...Dur.
@@primalengland I understood alright, it was just the contradictory nature of the sentence. The term you're looking for is 'pistol'.😉
You mentioned knife crime in the UK. Certainly it is an issue, particularly in the narcotics turf wars and with youth aged 14-22. There were 282 homicides involving knives last year, across the UK. There were 1500 in the US. 1600 kids under 20 were murdered using guns in the US in 2022. Across all age groups, there were 28 gun-related murders in UK.
So 18, 19 and 20 year olds are kids now? 🤔
meanwhile in america lets not ignore the 1600 knife crimes or 40000+ gun crimes in the same period, dont try to justify it as a valid point until you look at your own figures, and at least its our own police force killing us
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 pretty much. I've never known a 20 year old that I'd say was mature enough to be thought of as an adult.
@@S1D3W1ND3R015 The term "under 20" generally doesn't include individuals aged 20. In the US, under its sale of alcohol legislation anyone under 21 is considered insufficiently adult to buy a beer.
@t.a.k.palfrey3882 By federal law, you are an adult at 18. Be tried as an adult, taxes, vote, move out, do as you please without parents consent, join the military, go to war. Alcohol used to be 18 btw here. Alcohol is a privilege, so the government can restrict the age if they want. Guns are a constitutional right.
I live in a rough part of London. Yes there is a bit of knife crime unfortunately it appears to be young men stabbing young men for the most part, plus we always had knife crime but what we didn't always have was the Internet to spread the news quickly.
I've never seen a gun on the street and can honestly say I've never held a gun, nor do I want to.
Uk knife crime better than 100 years ago with the gangs in Scotland and North England. The tv show peaky blinders used fact to create a fiction. Good programme though
Yeah - it's rarely a stranger getting killed (so the flip-side is you probably shouldn't be worried about it happening to you) - it's two young men who have an issue with each other and no father around to tell them not to do it.
Statistically, knife crime is lower ,per head of population, in the UK than in the US. The reasons for it being perceived as a greater problem than the reality is : a death resulting from a knife attack makes headline news ; it ,often, involves teenagers and ,of course, is used by gun enthusiasts as a (oh well, they have a knife problem ) justification.
We had a rather attrocious school shooting in 1996 and said "Well that's enough of that!" whereas in the US it seems people are even past the point of caring about school shootings.
This is a similar system to Australia. We have a Firearm Register and a 28-day wait to purchase a gun. You also have to have to have a valid reason to own a gun, and will be vetted with a police check. Semi-automatic and Automatic weapons and pump-action shotguns are banned.
Pump action shotguns are banned unless they Have the baffle which limits them to 2 rounds.
Automatic weapons can be legally owned with special licenses.
Semi automatic Rifles can be owned, but semi automatic handguns cannot. However, if you permanently weld a suppressor onto a handgun it becomes a rifle, as defined by barrel length, and can be owned with the correct license.
@@Rachel_M_ Pump action can do 3 shots in the UK.
@@EddieTheH perhaps i should have been more specific I was referring to 2 in the magazine, I wasn't referring to the additional one in the chamber.
My bad.
@@Rachel_M_ No worries, I wasn't sure if you were referring to here or Australia. So is it the same 2+1 rule there?
@@EddieTheH as far as I'm aware it's the same 2+1 rule
It’s a catch 22 situation for Americans. I hear all the time the argument about needing it for protection. Now if I knew all of my neighbours had guns and one could easily fall into the wrong hands, I would most definitely feel like I needed one to protect my family. But, it’s sad that you have to feel that way. I live in a low class area in Merseyside, and couldn’t imagine in a million years feeling like I need a gun for protection. Just says a lot about the US really.
100% same for me.
I'm from Belgium. I've barely seen a gun in my life and I'm very happy for that.
But if I lived in the US I would probably get one.
I mean, it's an argument against going to live in the US for me. I have plenty of countries I can move to. Already own a place in Spain. /cheers
Maybe they should allow guns in the home for protection in the USA, but make it illegal to walk around with one. Even pepper spray is illegal in the UK, though I keep it in the car.
@@barrymitchell6444the problem with that is criminals will walk around with guns anyway leaving the people who follow laws defenseless
@@igorzisky We have loads of criminals walking around the UK with guns, leaving law-abiding people defenceless. But few get shot. You should try it over there.
@@barrymitchell6444 its only in the cities that most people get shot I have never seen a gun on the streets outside of on police and a few licensed concealed carriers. Just like in the UK in America if you avoid the cities you should be fine.
I'm grateful to be British.
Yes Britain, the Country that literally has separate firearms rules for rich and poor. Until Section 5 of the 1968 firearms act is abolished, or one man company licences are no longer shall issue British laws will be a mockery.
@@davedavids57 I think what makes mockery of gun laws in the US is that some parents feel they have to buy flak-packs for their kids for school
I'll take our inqiuitous gun laws for now thanks
@@bestbehave There are around 160 countries in the world with more liberal gun laws than the UK, 50 or so of which that have less violent crime than the UK, and you can only talk about the USA. The US is an outlier for dozens of reasons. No non residential publicly funded mental health care, 30X the drug deaths per head of population compared to European countries, some of the highest inequality levels in the world, extreme poverty, poor to nonexistent public health care, unemployment help for just six months, terrible gang controlled prisons etc etc. The US has a problem with mass shootings, but it also has a massive problem with mental health, drug dependency, gangs, corruption, poverty etc etc. Until crime starts to reduce in the US the population aren't going to accept stricter gun laws. Because they use their firearms to literally defend themselves.
Britain is more like EU nations in regard to it's social structures but the question you should be asking yourself is why Britain has more violent crime and even mass shootings than countries in the EU with liberal gun laws (With very nasty mass shootings in 2010 (Cumbria) and 2022 (Plymouth). If it's all about the gun laws then why is heavily armed central Europe so much safer. Perhaps Britain needs to improve it's mental health and social inclusion policies. But the British way is to just ban things. This can be seen in the fact that Britain is still experiencing mass shootings decades after introducing some of the toughest gun and weapon laws in the world.
@@davedavids57 yeah but the video was about Americans ( who displayed a sensible attitude to guns) talking about British gun laws
Grateful to be Canadian due to similar laws/regulation. Only problem we face are Americans who bring their guns here.
Back in late 1972 after I'd finished a training course, I was posted to site to work for a while. The first thing that happened was that the Chief Installation Engineer walked to his filing cabinet and pulled out a small short barrelled revolver and said "look, my gun". Never saw it again. Never saw any other firearm until the police started walking around airports with sub-machine guns.
There was a shooting about ten years ago less than a mile away - a young criminal was shot in his car by another young criminal with a shotgun. A young man recently arrived in the UK and put in subsidised housing was stabbed and died at the front door about three years ago.
As for the knife/crime rate in London, I put it down to cultural differences.
What!! You can buy a gun at 18!! But you can’t have an alcoholic drink until 21🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️ sorry but the US is messed up
They can get married, have a child, and own a home by 18, but they can't have a glass of champagne to celebrate any of it 🤯🤯
One thing not clarified here is that 'self defence' does not constitute a 'good reason' to own firearms in the UK.
On the subject of whether it would be possible for the US to change their stance on gun ownership it would be worth looking at the changes that came into place in Austalia following the Port Arthur Massacre. Parts of Australian society had a very similar relationship with guns to that in the US before these changes were brought in, and so it is a better comparison than the UK, where gun ownership has never really been a popular thing.
During the 70s there used to be a PSA shown on TV about shotgun safety telling you to always carry your shotgun broken. I remember having a farmer figure in a play set carrying a broken shotgun.
I live in England,thank God i live in a relatively gun free society.
I wonder if that will still be true with an Islamic horde on your doorstep.
I live in UK, I want guns.
Fool@@IkarosWaltz
i have never wanted a gun in my 59 years in england. I want one Know@@IkarosWaltz
@@davidsivills3599 And why is that?
I could say you're a fool for not wanting one. Laws don't stop criminals.
My first time shooting a gun was at the school range aged about 14, by the time I was 15 I was able to disassemble and reassemble both a .303 Lee Enfield and a fully functioning Bren gun. People forget that lots of schools had combined Cadet Forces based in them, often with army approved ranges and gun safes.
I actually, myself, forget that my school in the late 90's had a CCF and armoury, I remember thinking it was really weird that there was ~20 aging L1A1's stored on the school premises (although all the stored ammo was blanks)
0:32 "there's a lot of stabbings because of the absence of guns..." that's actually the wrong way round, America has a higher knife homicide rate than the UK, and the guns are a big part of the reason, for one thing, guns being available so readily means that people at minimum need to defend against guns, and if they can't get a gun themselves... you might feel you should at least carry a knife, anything is better than nothing. And because the same laws that protect carrying guns, cover other offensive weapons too, you're allowed to carry a gun, so you are allowed to carry a knife. So you have more knives on the street, and more knife related murders, because of the guns.
Just a quick comment on knife deaths, USA in a 12 months period around 2022 had 1830 homicides with a knife or sharp instrument, the UK over an equivalent period had 282 homicides.
So virtually the same per capita? That's pretty bad considering the demographic differences.
Both of you being nervous and giggly around this topic is relatable.
@PokhrajRoy They are Americans, to them it`s not serious as it`s part of their culture.
@@williamgardner2739 i think their point was that its actually an uncomfortable topic seeing as howbig of an issue it really is
Now do one for Poland. We only have about 800k privately owned guns, and close to 300k gun owners, in a country of 38 million people, which is very low, but gun related crime is almost non-existent. Gun homicides are extremely rare, and even though you need a permit, obtaining one is very straightforward (even if it takes a few months, and money). We haw no silly SBR laws, although automatic weapons are only allowed for instructors, and bodyguards, and storage requirements are different.
You hit the nail on the head when your comment about the buddy who bought a shotgun was ‘Why? What do you need that for?’
Have you watched the video about the Dunblane massacre at a primary school in Scotland in 1996? It is the reason why our gun laws were tightened up even further than what they were.
If it's the same video I saw apart from it being very moving and shocking what happened, I was extremely shocked that the Conservative party had been planning before that to loosen the gun laws.
Thank goodness we now have the laws we do.
The gun laws were only slightly amended in 1997 to require revolvers like the one used at Dunblane to be longer than 60cm. So now in Britain you can only own a long barrelled pistol. The change was purely cosmetic. In fact the revolvers are now actually more deadly as the long barrels produce more energy in the bullet. Since 2010 British gun laws (Northern Ireland didn't change their laws after Dunblane) are being gradually relaxed. Britain has always had two forms of licencing. Normal through the police, special through the home office (under section 5, 7.1 or 7.3 of the firearm act). The Home office is issuing thousands of hand gun licences a year in Britain. Just without the publicity.
I thought that the reason for only being able to have guns over a certain length was so they can't be easily concealed? I openly admit that I know next to nothing about this, btw, so am happy to be corrected.
yes, we've seen quite a few in the US too now, and the response by the politico's is similar.
The cynic in some of us says there's an ulterior motive using defenseless kids as emotional pawns.
New Zealand also has very strict gun laws - I once met some cash in transit guards who only carried maglites. Police in NZ rarely carry firearms but do have armed response officers (2 - up teams who come armed to respond to an incident). However they do carry batons & CS Spray on them. In Australia all police officer are armed with Glock .40 Calibre pistols. Check out the Port Arthur Massacre to see why Australia became so tight on firearms. Farmers must shown a genuine reason who owning a firearm & will find these are single shot rimfire rifles but no high capacity magazines. UK is the same.
There is a 'common' theme there, as they are both commonwealth countries.
And under the previous government they were doing the best to revoke as many firearms licenses and seize firearms as fast and as unlawfully as they could.
Mine was revoked after 35 years of holding 1 and jumping through every hoop they dictated we had to now adhere too.
No evidence, no charges laid against me or any contact with police before and after that day. License taken firearms transferred to a friend or be destroyed.
And the most unbelievable letter delivered by the Sargent of Blenheim Police stating I could reapply for my license after 6 months and pay the exorbitant fees now charged to sit and be issued with it..
Corruption at it finest, I couldn’t afford to fight the system
I’ve been to NZ a couple of times bow hunting. I’m in the uk and have 9+1 semi shotguns for practical shotgun and rifles .308/.223 for deer (i’m on a farm) you can buy any bow/crossbow in the uk but illegal to shoot anything but targets !!!
@@Dan-wo4bx I have a very good friend that goes pig shooting every few months. The farmers let them stay in the shearers quarters & his rifles must be kept in the boot of his car unless being used. A few times he went rabbiting for a friend's farm & was happy to help out.
Please google New Zealand gun laws. Literally you have absolutely totally no idea. They literally had some of the most liberal gun laws in the world until 2019. Now they are a bit stricter but much much much more liberal than Britain. The UK has no restriction whatsoever on magazine capacity.
You should react to the gun laws in Switzerland. Now that’s interesting.
Oh absolutely! I'm Scottish with a Swiss partner and it's such a weird feeling to me knowing there's a gun in his home but I know there's no ammo or any way it can fire. So unique
I visited Switzerland when military exercises were in progress. The train was loaded with heavily armed men some carrying heavy machine guns they kept at home. All part of a well-regulated militia, or citizen army quite immune to control by a tyrannical king.
@@rascalnz9983 Most Tyrants are supported by a significant portion of the population, especially the military. Caligula was loved by the legions.
@michaelrogers2080 ... and you can easily buy a 9mm handgun (if you want, for self defense or sporting reasons) or a rifle, but background checks are very extensive too. I live there, as a German-Austrian (Austria also has liberal gun laws)
@@ManuelSteiner Background checks in Switzerland aren't extensive. They don't even have a computerized database. No mental health checks. Just 20 Franks to the cops and you get your permit to purchase (background check). I love Austria most guns Cat C don't even require a licence, just background check and three day cooling off period.
You can have a good scrap/fight, might get arrested unless you're unlucky everyone forgets about it. My mate is a big lad not a stranger to fighting, there was an off duty cop who was being a knob/drunk my mate got involved through no fault of his own. When I asked him about the fight he said "Oh yeah, I tuned him right in". He got a caution, which is the same as a telling off.
Bro I’m from one of these mad areas In the uk. The reason there’s so much “stab work” is not because a gun is a luxury or for a top tier guy lol it’s because if you’re caught with any unlicensed firearm, even with zero ammunition, it carries a mandatory minimum 5 year prison sentence, some people have received 10-15 years for owning an unlicensed gun.. gangs etc carry knives, for on site shit, so they don’t catch 5-10 just walking around with a gun. Guns are everywhere. Usually If it’s planned that’s when guns are used. There have been countless shootings in my neighbourhood lol
Knife Crime is still way higher in the US. London is actually pretty tame compared to some major US cities.
London is a terrible place for crime by English standards.
It's still way lower than Americas big cities, way lower
My American friend was nervous about coming to the UK, because of all the knife crime he's been told about.
I pointed out statistically this would be the safest two weeks of his life so far.
@@panchomcsporran2083 exactly, Americans don't seem to realise how dangerous their country actually is.
Most knife crime in London involves gangs mostly younger people
@@panchomcsporran2083 it's so true, i moved to England from Ulster Northern Ireland and both London and Glasgow is way safer than Belfast (even though i would not call Belfast unsafe ) there is just less tension, the worst place i have ever been to was Baltimore in the US its dangerous just walking around in daylight, you'd have to have a screw loose to go out after dark there, heard plenty of gunshots and police sirens constantly. its like a warzone where i was. id rather go to Syria
I've seen this video a number of times and I'm wondering how old it is and where he sourced information from because he said the UK population is about 56 million which is way off target as the UK population is now over 67 million.
I think the creator of the video confused the population of England with the UK.
I bet in reality its more like 80m.
@@scottythedawg Yes, plus factor in net migration over the last 15 years.
Interestingly, the 2021 Census showed 40% of London were immigrants and 60% were ethnic minorities.
I imagine it's probably the 2011 census figure for England & Wales. Scotland and Northern Ireland run their own censuses which might not have been factored in.
There was recently published a list of cities with the highest gun crime.
Out of the 40, they were all in south America apart from 4. They were US cities.
As a Brit, never owned or shot a gun and have no interest in guns at all.
The first time I ever felt annoyed by something you said ... 'A lot of stabbings in London because of the absence of guns.' Outrageously incorrect for so many reasons . Also ... Stabbing is still not common compared to the USA . We are a very safe country to live in in comparison to the USA .
The population of the UK is nearly 68 million, not 56 million, so I'd be careful about the other confident assertions in the video.
I think the person who created the Video must have looked up the population of England and not the UK as a whole.
@@scottythedawgnope it is a older video made a few years ago, not many years ago but because of the mass migration of immigrants legal and illegal the population of this tiny island has skyrocketed
@@spyidr1892 unless he made the video in 1988 you are mistaken.
Pedantry, such an unpleasant trait.@@scottythedawg
@@simonfunwithtrains1572 I beg your pardon?
Regarding knife crime in the UK. Stabbings are seen as a big problem in the UK, and ARE a big problem looking at it from a British perspective. However, the US has as much knife crime per capita as the UK. It just doesn't get the attention it gets in the UK, because US knife crime gets completely overshadowed by its massive gun crime problem, which isn't the case in the UK. So it is incorrect to state that the UK has a bigger knife crime problem than the US. It doesn't.
Good question Jps , Arturo - why does anyone need a shotgun ?
Only reason I can think of is maybe a farmer with pest animal problems. But then I think they often use a rifle as it's more specific
Sport shooting, shooting wild game, pest control
Vermin clearance (it's easier to hit crows on the wing with a shotgun than a rifle, and if you've got a rat problem a shotgun blast can handle multiple rats at once), clay pigeon and target shooting, sometimes putting down injured animals that you can't approach to use a captive bolt gun, and are thrashing around too much for a rifle shot - or of course you can load the shotgun with slug instead of shot if you could take a rifle shot. They're more flexible, so a shotgun with different ammunition is a better option.
Mostly it's farmers and land management types though.
As far as I know in Britain no toddler has taken a gun from mum’s handbag (purse) and shot her. I do not think a toddler has knifed a parent or thrown acid. There is a problem right now with some people owning the Bully XL dog attacking, killing or maiming adults and children alike - why does anyone need to have such a dog as a pet? Something wrong with them psychologically.
I'm British but I do have an American nephew who is a gun nut. We once had a long discussion about the problems associated with gun ownership in the US. Unfortunately, when he failed to put forward any really coherent arguments in favour of un-regulated gun ownership, all he could say was "I love my guns and nobody will take them away from me".
What are your arguments lets discuss it. 😃
Jim Jeffries does a brilliant sketch on gun ownership. It should be compulsory viewing
@nuttycommuter3718 "DONT TAKE MY GUNS!,brilliant routine
@@nuttycommuter3718 The problem with Jim Jefferies is that he thinks humor instantly makes him correct. I could not find much data on Australian mass shootings but I did find data on the murder rate in Australia when guns were banned. In 1996 murders were already on a down trend from 1990 which is where my data begins. Then when guns were banned in 1996 we don’t see the numbers drop instantly its a slow down trend with many small spikes until 2003 (six years after the gun buy back ended) where we get our first major decline since our data started in 1990. The main problem is that before the gun buyback murder rates had dropped just as fast. What Jim did was set up mass shootings and used it to push his argument and then just straight up ignores murder rates as a whole because the ban had no effect on them.
@@nuttycommuter3718 Jim also thinks that there is only one good argument for having guns and that is “I like guns” this is a straight up wrong statement. There are many reasons to own a firearm other than just the I like guns. First off, the police will not always get their in time (or at all) to help you. Second, the second amendment was written to ensure that we had the tools we would need to overthrow the government if the need ever arose and guns are the tool we need to do just that. Third, to put food on the table. Fourth, sporting (target practice.). Jim seams to not realize that these “assault rifles” are a perfectly good means of self defense. He has absolutely no ground on which to stand the fact that the media likes calling black guns with a telescoping stock and a pistol grip an assault weapons does not mean that they are not great defensive tools. They work just the same as any other semiautomatic rifle they just look a little different.
It's amazing how Americans can identify a type of gun with just a glance . It just isn't part of our culture and I've never seen one unless it's carried by military or armed Police on protection duty . Home defence isn't normally a valid reason as any use of force has to be proportional to the threat .
Its ironic that UK army soldiers only have experience using their rifles, not pistols (unless they are officers), So if they pass Special Forces selection, they have to do extensive hand gun training.
Then best part of the whole video is when Arturo looks straight at the camera and asks: "Are you mentally stable?" Lol 🤪
Yes, he has settled in well, and makes a good partner for Joel.
Another great reaction thank you! Quick correction to that Vid, the UK population as of 2023 is around 68 million, not 56 million.
Being from the UK, perhaps I've been lucky but never in my life (I'm nearly 60) have I known or seen anyone owning or carrying a gun here.
Except the odd Farmer, Soldiers and Police at airports or important buildings in London etc. I'ts just not something the vast majority of people think or care about here.
During visits to places like New York City, Chicago, Denver, Boston, Washington, Philadelphia & Mass. and friends who live in Delaware
the same is true, I never saw anyone with a gun apart from police and security agents. In fact the first time I ever saw a handgun up close was my friend's in Wilmington, Delaware!
People in the UK might find it hard to believe but walking in the "tourist" areas of those cities I felt perfectly safe, but again perhaps I was just very lucky.
I think they confused the population of the UK with the population of England.
It’s not just gun deaths that are low in the UK, but homicides in general. In 2022, for example, there were 602 homicides, which is less than two per day, or about one per million of population. Knives are involved in about 40% of homicides, so it’s still low.
In a modern advanced society you have to question the use and ownership of guns outside of leisure use.
I hear the argument that they are used for protection of life and property used often. However, if your house is burgled and your 70” tv is being stolen and you shoot the thief are we really saying that the value of a 70” tv is greater than that of a human life? I’d suggest that whilst the theft is a despicable act the taking of a life in recompense is totally disproportionate.
Comparing the 2 countries knife crime - There are 0.6 murders per 100k in the US & 0-08 per 100k in the UK so you're 7.6 times MORE likely to be killed by a knife in the US than the UK.
I'm afraid to say in the USA guns are built into the culture. In the UK it's totally the opposite.
We have Long Bows built into ours, in general these became a bit cumbersome, so we moved to Darts.
Must practice my Arrows 1 per week, preferably Sunday afternoon, in the pub.
We don’t want guns or need them!!!
The gun stuff in America was made when they had Muskets . They should have kept it that way !!
In Australia you need to undergo checks plus you need to prove you have a valid reason for wanting a certain firearm. Personal protection is not a valid reason in Australia whereas it appears to be the main reason put forward for gun owership in the US. Australians, and it appears citizens of most other developed nations, feel safe in their homes & walking the streets.
Aussie insults are deadlier than any weapon!
Personal protection is a reason to have a hand gun in Australia. There isn't a country on earth which doesn't have some law allowing it. It's a thing in the UK as well (under section 5). They are just issued with zero publicity to people who are either rich or know people in high places. It makes sense as imagine a James Bond type retiring from spying. Highly trained, lots of people wanting to hurt him. It makes no sense to assign him a bodyguard 25/7 with less training than him at massive expense. Same with politicians, if they are ex army or ex military letting them have a hand gun saves the tax payer 100,000s a year on police costs. They would just have to do the Firearms Safety Test for professionals every year. The way Australia seems to do it is your licenced to body guard yourself.
In the US we have over 350 million “documented” people but the numbers are probably closer to 400 million. We have a terrible prison system and the mental health system is even worse. We do have restrictions on firearms and who can legally carry them. The problem their are more violent criminals and mentally unstable people who are not treated and will not stop doing what they do. Crime was much lower when we had state mental institutions (a lot of them were horrible places). More people are murdered by fists, feet and objects than they are by all rifles combined in the US. More than 60% of firearms deaths in the US are by suicide. Most of the other deaths are gang and drug related and or police involved shootings with suspects. Majority happen in the inner cities. Their are a lot of stolen firearms used in the gang and drug related crimes do to improper storage weather it be in a car or home. Their are around 400 million guns in the US. It is and would be impossible to confiscate them regardless of the constitution because those are the known guns, not the privately manufactured or illegally transported (from out of the country) guns. The only people that would hand them in are the “law abiding” which probably wouldn’t go to well. The criminals who are armed to the teeth with illegal weapons, some of which are illegally modified to fully automatic would never hand them in. Many towns and cities do police buyback’s (which actually makes no sense since they were not bought from the city, town or police in the first place) but most of them are old junk and the people turning them in just use the money for new stuff or ammunition. We need to do a whole hell of a lot better with our mental health system and definitely need to stop the revolving door of multiple offenses violent criminals be let back out on the streets. We are not perfect by any means as a country but until outsiders see the psychotic mentality ill people and violent criminals we have roaming our streets up close and personal, you would get a better understanding of why firearms owners are reluctant to deal with more bureaucratic restrictions while DA’s in the cities hand down light sentences or no sentences at all for criminals and maniacs.
It's good to see Americans respect British gun laws. :)
I actually learnt about both American and British gun laws in this video :)
Uk farmer’s wife here. My husband has a shotgun licence. The guns have to be kept in a secure lockable cabinet which is not easily visible to intruders. Local police check up on this. Only my husband knows where he keeps the keys. Our sons were taught how to use air guns safely but they were not particularly interested so none have gone on to get license or guns of their own. They are, however, quite interested in archery.
Rowan Atkinson's 'The Thin Blue Line' sitcom, where he plays one Chief Constable Fowler in charge of a town's police station, has an interesting take on gun licensing. Fowler has to approve all gun licences in the town, and refuses to approve any on the grounds that if anyone actually wants to own a gun, then they are clearly unsuitable to do so as in his opinion only insane people want to own guns. Being asked by a colleague to help one of his sportsman friends to get a licence for a hunting rifle Fowler refuses on the grounds there are no wild animals to hunt in the area.
I have often wondered after all the public statements after so many massacres, that membership of the NRA in the US should be a valid reason to refuse entry into the UK?
@@petereastwood1 If the UK Gov. declare the NRA as a terrorist organization, then yes :)
@@petereastwood1can i just point out that the NRA started in britain first
Thats based on Jasper Carrots old joke about owning a machine gun. If I remember the the joke went something like this 'There shouldn't be ten pages of questions about owning a machine gun, there should just be one question which is :do you want to own a machine gun'?' If you answer yes you are clearly not a sane person to do so.
@@spyidr1892 @petereastwood1I think you need to use the full title National Rifle Association of America(NRA). Although the UK had a National Rifle Association earlier the NRA has no Affiliation with the UK based one.
I'm so happy us Brits have tight firearms laws. All we need to do now is crack down on the knife crimes. Great video guys.
Years ago, the UK government said 10 years in prison if caught carrying a knife. It never happened.
In UK shops are not allowed to sell fire arms, there are shops everywhere that sell cutlery. Some large and small knifes, and most homes have all sorts of knifes, so how can we crack down on knifes?
@williamgardner2739 uk shops are allowed to sell shotguns and firearms, my local gun shop is also a pet shop. As long as the shop holds the correct licencing then thwy can sell guns. Shotgun cartriges can be sold by any buidness for example pubs, and anyone can possess shotgun cartriges without a licence
Tight for the poor, liberal for the rich. Section 5 in the UK needs to be abolished.
Knife crime is already lower than the USA, even though they also have Guns ... it gets in the news because it's unusual not because it common
I have never understood why anyone would ever want or need to own a gun, the USA must be a terrible place to live if most people there feel so afraid that they think they need one.
i can see why living in the woods/forest/wilds of Alaska that a gun would be a useful tool and can provide food and protection, so i would NEVER say a total ban.
but in a city? do you need a 50cal for the rats? or a AR15 for the street beggars?
You would change your tune if you were ever raped, attacked or assaulted in the streets. Women can’t walk home from pubs at Night alone. The streets Havant been safer for women for decades and they should be
It's to do with fear. Basically if you fear for your safety a gun can protect you.
Knife crime is higher in the US than the UK.
I served as a police officer in Newham, a rough area of London, for 15 years, and in that time, never once was faced, or had to deal with anyone carrying a gun. The general perception in the US, from what People read and see on TV, is that we have a serious knife problem in the UK.
In the year ending March 2022, UK Government data shows there were 261 homicides using a sharp instrument, including knives and broken bottles. That’s in a population of 67.5 million. We just don’t tend to go round murdering each other in the UK.
When was that video even made? The population of the UK hasn't been 56 million for like 40 years. I suspect he means the population of England is around 56 million... which is still a weird error to make.
Another good video thank you. We’re culturally very different with guns over here and it still blows my mind how you guys can open carry.
Great point at the end about the people being the government. Love from Durham, England.
It comes down to culture really. We don’t feel the need to have guns in UK. Whereas in the US there is a fetishisation of them. Simple as that.
UK Criminals that have guns tend to use them on each other rather than the public ( as strange as that sounds).
We associate guns with criminals, not for our protection.
On stabbing , it’s very similar, thugs on thugs but yes innocent people do get killed sometimes.
For perspective, there were 602 murders in the UK in total last year.
The culture in the UK is people who love guns. Just have the guns on the condition that they don't publicize the fact. If you have the money, you can own anything you like. You just have to own it under a company.
It's never that simple
There are 3 main types of license in the UK; Section 1 (Firearms), Section 2 (Shotguns), Section 5 (Anything goes). The shotgun license is slightly different in that the justification required is minimal, the firearms license is tough to get now a days...... and the section 5 is mainly for exporting arms dealers etc.
You also have section 7 which is pistols
@@spyidr1892 7.1 (shooting a pre 1990 pistol at a closed range, weapon kept at range) and 7.3 (keeping a pre 1990 pistol at home but not shooting it). But in reality with long barrelled pistols and muzzle loading black power pistols there are other options.
Also cartridge operated tools.
"What do you need a shotgun for?" (1:04)
What do you need ANY gun for?
I’m a Brit…When my boys were children, I never allowed them to play with toy weapons, knives or guns. They didn’t seem to notice or care and I don’t see how weapons of war are something that should be ‘played with’.. Parents need to teach their kids the responsibility of holding a weapon let alone use them.
Can you define a "weapon of war"?
No cowboys and indians? Poor kids.
its self explanatory @@S1D3W1ND3R015
my boys were born in the 80's so did not watch cowboys and Indians. they had toy cars and other age appropriate toys@@tacfoley4443
Check out the Dunblane massacre of 1996
He has reacted to that.
I was licensed for a .357 magnum and a .44 magnum, both revolvers. They could only be loaded with a single round as the other chambers were leaded. These weapons were for a specific use which was the uthenasia of sick or stricken farm animals. The background checks were something else. This was back in 2006 so I do not know if it is still the same now. Also I did not own them, they belonged to the company I worked for, and they were not stored at my home but at the office. The company was called Peaks in Cornwall.
They are still legal to own they are known as dispatch pistols, they are used to cull livestock eithically and they are also used by comercial deer hunters just in case a giant stag isnt quite dead when you approach it
As a UK citizen myself I am proud of our Gun laws. We haven’t had a mass gun crime since ‘96. Would love it to stay that way.
US gun control policy: 1. Hose down the blood 2. Send thoughts and prayers 3. Do nothing - now is not the time to talk about such things 4. Repeats steps 1 - 3.
3. Do nothing if it doesn't include the word ban, confiscate or F your rights. People try to pass bills that would actually help without stomping on rights, then the same people saying you aernt doing anything shut it down if the first sentence isn't met. Rinse and repeat.
In the UK we're very sensitive to seeing or hearing about guns because they are so rare. Very few people have them and so nobody feels like they need them. America would definitely be safer without guns, but it requires everyone to give up on them simultaneously, otherwise you'll be left in a situation where people still think they'll be outgunned if they are unarmed. Australia managed a very successful amnesty and transition away from free gun ownership. You should check out what they did. :)
It really depends on where you live and your social circles / hobbies. I am a coach / range officer here in the UK and our range has about 40 .22 rifles and quite a few air pistols / rifles. Most of the people I know do know my hobby! Safety is taken very seriously, we kicked one member out once and he will never be around any firearm again as it's in his police file.
I'm 68 and British. When I was at school I joined the Air Force cadets. We had a collection of .22 rifles (singe-shot - no magazines) that we used to take to a local Army site for taget shooting. I also remember once shooting a .303 rifle while camping on an Air Force base. It was fun, but Ive never felt the need to own a gun.
Me too, but look how disciplined we were.
I fired a .303 too in the Air Cadets. It's a sore shoulder you never forget lol
I prefer that we have strict gun laws in uk. As much as there is knife crime I still feel safer knowing that most of us do not possess a gun! That my children and my grandchildren were/are safe at school. My dad owed guns as he a farmer but growing up I never had access to them as they were always under lock and key if he wasn’t using them. My parents took it very seriously and so we knew from a young age that the guns were dangerous and for my dad only. Freedom is something we all feel is our right but how free are we when we live in fear.
It's not lack of firearm ownership that makes it safer, it's that firearms owners are checked by doctors and police and have to be members of a club....the restrictions on what's allowed to be owned do nothing to prevent shootings...the owners do.
@@Hungry_Box And yet, the USA with the highest number of civil gun ownership in the world - circa 42% of all civilian owned guns, but only circa 4% of the global population - has more gun deaths than ALL other developed countries combined.
@@O.O.O.K999 And that has nothing to do with firearms owners not going on shooting sprees in UK
@@Hungry_Box Well, yes it does. The fewer people who have guns, the less chance there is of anyone going on a shooting spree - ffs it simple logic which is born out by the daily shooting sprees in the USA which, by June this year, had had more mass shootings than there were days in the year to that point.
Here in Scotland, you need a licence to own an airgun. A few years ago, just before that law was introduced, there was an amnesty whereby you could surrender your weapons. Our Police don't routinely carry firearms, but we do have Armed response units. Our gun ownership rules changed after the Dunblane massacre.
A quirk of UK fire arms licensing is, that you can own an ex military tank with a fully active smooth bore gun if you have a shotgun licence.
Rifled gun however would need to be certified as deactivated.
Population of the UK was 67 million in 2021, so it’s probably nudging 70 million now. I think they quoted 56 million in the video,Great video again guys 😎
56 million is the population of England and the UK population would have been about 67 when it was made so I think they just took the wrong numbers
I never knew some states had more reasonable restrictions, such as police issuing licences. I might be more ok with visiting them sates 1 day :)
Another great video JP. Strict gun laws =mass shootings are almost unheard of. The U.S. obsession with guns seems primitive and barbaric to us.
I’m sure your Muslim overlords love the fact you English have no guns.
Switzerland, Austria, Czechia, Poland, Italy, Slovenia, Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania etc etc all have very liberal gun laws and have far less mass shootings per head of population than Britain. In fact the place which is safest in the UK, Northern Ireland actually has the most liberal gun laws.
@@davedavids57 True, but those nations also require licensing/training before acquisition. That's a key point, so while they may be more liberal in purchasing, licensing is till required.
Also forgot to mention that caliber, magazines and enhancements are restricted in many of the aforementioned nations as well, it's not the free for all you're implying.
@@JonInCanada1 No but they all have laws more liberal than the UK had prior to the Hungerford attacks in 1987. Also many nations don't require licences or training before the buying of a firearm or ammunition. Switzerland and Austria don't require licences for most guns. In Austria if you want a gun you can buy it straight from a shop US style, no licence needed for cat c guns or ammo. Just a weapons ban database check and three day cooling off period. That's actually more liberal than the US as non violent felony convictions don't ban you from keeping weapons.
No countries I know of at least in Europe (apart from the anti gun countries of Ireland, UK, Holland) restrict caliber below 50 BMG (like the USA). There are magazine laws, but only Germany doesn't allow loop holes. I am British and I moved out to Central Euorpe to get away from the increasingly crazy British system and it's amazing what in a healthy society people can own without a problem.
Speak for yourself!
Yes, we do have a share of our very own gun related incidents that did happen here in Australia which are,
(1 One) The (1984) Father's Day Milperra Massacre on the (2nd) September, (1984) in Sydney, New South Wales that involved in the shootout war between the Bikie Gangs of both of the rival groups of the Banditos & the Comancheros.
There were only (7 Seven) people were killed & (28 Twenty-Eight) people were injured in the incident of course.
(2 Two) The Hoddle Street Massacre that happened on Sunday, (9th) August (1987), in Hoddle Street, Clifton Hill, a suburb of Melbourne, Victoria, in which resulted that (7 Seven) Deaths & (19 Nineteen) Injured by a 19-year-old former Australian Army officer cadet Julian Knight was caught in nearby Fitzroy North and arrested for the shootings.
Julian Knight was later sentenced to (7 Seven) concurrent sentences of life imprisonment with a non-parole period of (27 Twenty-Seven) years for what was described by the presiding judge as "one of the bloodiest massacres in Australian history.
He owned a Number of licensed weapons which are a .177 calibre Daisy BB air rifle, a .177 calibre Chinese air rifle, a .177 calibre Crosman model 766 air rifle, a .22 calibre Ruger model 10/22 semi-automatic rifle, a 12-gauge Mossberg pump-action shotgun, and a Chinese-made 7.62mm calibre M14 semi-automatic military rifle. Knight retrieved the Ruger rifle.
The motive of this gun incident by Julian Knight of the Hoddle Street Massacre is unknown of course.
(3 Three) The Port Arthur Massacre that happened on the (28th) April, (1996) in Port Arthur in Tasmania in which the perpetrator of Martin Bryant who actually did killed (35 Thirty-Five) people & injured (23) people, He was given (35) life sentences of imprisonment with OUT Parole for these murders of his shooting spree.
Martin Bryant's suspected motivations for the massacre were the refusal of the sale of Seascape by owners David and Noelene Martin and to become notorious, as revealed by his lawyer, on the Channel (7 Seven) program Sunday Night, air date Sunday, 6 March 2016. From the moment he was captured, he continually wanted to know how many people he had killed and seemed impressed by the number. Bryant is allowed to listen only to music on a radio outside his cell and is denied access to any news reports of his massacre. Photographers who took pictures of him in his prison cell were forced to destroy the film in his presence when the Governor found out.
(4 Four) The Strathfield Massacre was a shooting rampage at a shopping centre in Strathfield, Sydney, on the (17th) August (1991).
The shooter was Wade Frankum, who killed himself as police arrived at the scene. The incident left (8 Eight) people Dead and (6 Six) Wounded. He (Wade Frankum) who was armed with a Chinese-made SKS Semi-Automatic Rifle & also a 50cm Bowie Knife as well too.
The motive/s of this incident by Wade Frankum are unknown of course.
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I have both section 2(shotgun) certificate and section 1(firearms) certificate, as mentioned there are different hoops to jump through for each one. S2, police need a reason not to issue, whereas S1 you need to prove why you need one. S2 allows the purchase of as many shotguns as you feel you need, all must be correctly stored, S1 states on the certificate what caliber of weapon you can have, how many (usually 1-2) and the number of rounds of ammo you can hold at any time. the larger the caliber the less you can have. 22rf 600-1000 is common but 308 etc is around 300 or less. As for black powder, well that's another story.
When I visited USA (Florida) in 2010 I went into a Walmart and was just shocked as I went through an isle all of a sudden there was rifles and shotguns!!! The ammo on the shelves like it was packs of sweets!!! 😂
Along with stabbing, I’ve heard of acid attacks as well.
True, and it's surely horrible for the survivors, but people generally survive.
But even with last year's numbers (which were 69% up on the previous year), it would still take over 56 *YEARS* to reach the number of people killed by guns in the US *SO* *FAR* in 2023
Hello Joel and pal. My first memory is seeing my unarmed dad on TV kick in the door at an armed siege for armed colleagues to storm in.
After first seeing open carry in Nashville and being shocked, my friend laughed at me. The man in a baseball cap was a security guard for the motel.
In Texas I was taken to a gun fair and was offered a Chinese made kalashnikov for around fifty dollars. On hearing I was English, the seller offered me a side arm for thirty dollars on private sale, with me responsible to register it later.
People there feel they need them, miles from help, out in the desert, with folk you do not know you can trust and dangerous animals out there.
Just think of the level of anxiety knowing that any time you could be randomly shot at work, school, in traffic, while at a concert or just in your backyard waiting for some celebratory round from a drunk neighbour to drop on you - low chance but not unimaginable.
At least in Australia we know if we are shot it will by - in order of likelihood - 1.) someone we know well who owns a gun (zero chance for most) b) an overwrought police officer while you are having a public psychotic break (not zero chance heheh , iii) driving through one particular street in one particular suburb while shouting insults about one particular dodgy guy’s mother. D) after scamming some major drug dealer who you have known for some time. Otherwise, pretty much zero chance of random death by gunfire.
Whereas in the US you can get shot in a cinema for talking too loud or playing loud music in a car park or getting in the wrong car by mistake. Freedom. Right.
It's nowhere near as bad as you're making out. I've spent time in the US, and unless I was actively looking for firearms I didn't see any. The only people I saw openly carrying firearms were military and law enforcement personnel, and people in gun stores. My ex's father has half a dozen guns. Several handguns and two rifles. I didn't see any of their guns until I asked to. This was in and around St Louis too - the most dangerous city in the US. Because I'm British, I naturally can't carry a firearm. Despite being unarmed in a nation with over 120 guns to every 100 people, not once did I feel like I was about to get shot. The possibility didn't even cross my mind once.
Happy to say Canada has a similar system as the UK, but we do have a problem with US guns entering the country by US criminal types and, sometimes, tourists who don't realize there's no 2nd Amendment here. The former gets jail, the latter gets it confiscated (return upon return to the US) and possibly a small fine. Happy to have the regulation of firearms.
Okay this is all my British perspective on US law
The American Second Amendment has issues as it was written for those old single-loading muskets that weren’t that accurate and took time to reload. It wasn’t designed for modern weapons.
Then you have the US Supreme Court ruling on how the section of “as part of a well-regulated militia” should be interpreted as random individuals comprising a loose national militia.
If everyone who owned a gun was part of a local town/county/state-run militia that made sure everyone kept up with gun safety and best practices it would prob be better for society and still work with the existing local culture
I've never understood the rabid reaction to tightening up of the gun laws in the States with talk about constitutional rights and the second amendment. For God's sake, it has amendment in the title so is not an inalienable right but a change to what was originally agreed. Laws change all the time, and that is how it should be.
You have to remember that laws in the US are not written according to the wishes of the majority of the population, but how much power lobby and religious groups have over politicians.
For example, 61% are in favour of a woman's right to choose abortion, that doesn't stop numerous anti-abortion laws being passed.
Sometimes a politician is safer by doing nothing.
@@grahvis No I do understand that it is lobbying groups like the NRA that wield the power. Politicians are weak minded puppets that only have their own interests at heart. It doesn't make it right.
The Americans were never the brightest country in the world 🙄
While an Amendment, it's Emboldened by our bill of rights. And with a significant portion of the population being armed, there will never be a major majority vote to Amend the 2A.
I used to live on a farm when I was in my late teens - the farm had a few guns. Mostly used to protect livestock from foxes/pest control and as a fast way to put down an ailing animal. Those guns/ammunition were kept at all times in a locked cabinet inside a locked room. The farm owner held those keys at all times. I'm thankful that over here in the UK we just can't purchase one over the counter and the licences are hard to get.
@robertstallard7836 That's the point though, they're hard to get for loonies and criminals. You don't need to worry about the normal people with a good reason.
Before 1987 and the hungerford massacre our gun laws were much looser, however after the tragedy a gun amnesty was held were people handed over their weapons to prevent this from happening again
One mass shooting in the UK and gun laws were tightened a lot, one mass shooting every month in the US and nothing changes!
They got even tighter after Dunblane in 1996 ( same in Australia after the Tasmania mass shooting in the late 90s) restricting gun ownership DOES work
I think police not carrying guns, except for some circumstances, and the fact most don't want to... makes a huge difference to the culture and view of guns.
We just don't see them. Unless you are at Parliament, or at an airport, you never see anyone carrying a gun.
to be honest it really isn't that big a deal.
you go through most of europe and the police will have a sidearm of some sort, typically 9mm glock or similar.
Some places you may have been to on holiday, you might have been sitting close to a sky marshall,and not even realised.
It was the Dunblane Massacre in 1996 in Scotland where a "Scout Leader" with a grudge, walked into a Primary School and shot 1 teacher and 15 5 year old kids dead and left many more seriously injured.
It was this disgraceful act that had the UK decide on our gun laws.
As to knife crime, there has always been knife crime. But in my community as a kid, you could play with knives but knew you had to be careful. I remember after school this kid pulled a knife on a kid he called out to fight.
We were disgusted, all jumped him, "cowards use knives", took it off him and he got a fat lip.
Whereas now we have "cultures" new to UK and kids now carrying knives as an excuse for protection.
Two friends and I were jumped by a gang from no where, an actual "racist" attack on "whites", would you believe one night mid 90's. I had a butterfly knife thrust in my face, so close to cutting my eyes. I managed to get my friends we escaped, but one of us was been cut and had to go to Hospital. These guys were scum, looking for trouble and easy targets, they couldn't have took us with fists, in fact one of the lads had beaten two of them in self defense.
I had never come across such hatred before or insults that made me laugh, if this had happened today and been "on the other foot" it would have been on the news.
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Interesting that you can get guns at Dicks - I think that says everything
He should have said people who get guns are dicks! 😆
"You can legally own an AR-15 OR A GRENADE LAUNCHER - but bro, fit a switch to a pistol and it's like 20 years". Seems legit 👍
Also - the proportions of knife crime have already been mentioned several times; with a gun you can kill 20 people in seconds. With a knife you can stab one, maybe two, (not necessarily kill them) and then everyone runs away and can't be reached by the knife any more. The potential for mass killings just doesn't exist with a knife in the same way as it does with a projectile weapon.
Actually mass stabbings happen far frequently than you think. It happened in Canada recently. Also mass stabbings, mass ramming, mass bombings, mass anything. If a person is willing to cause chaos and mass events. They will do so regardless. If there is a will there is a way.
WE do have a second ammendment.... ' we have a right to live our lives in safety...' beat that.
The right to live in a dreamworld I suppose, because criminals don't exist, it's all fairies and unicorns here in old Blighty.
Really great to hear a sensible conversation on this topic.Keep up the good work.