The expansiveness of the Milwaukee M12 line is what sealed the deal for a 12v platform to replace my phased out Ridgid 12v tools. I was close to going with the DeWalt but they just didn’t have many tools. I didn’t want to get into another brands 12v platform for them to discontinue it like Ridgid! Get comparison video man!
You’re 100% right the M12 is a much larger and diverse platform I really don’t see much of a comparison between the two imo. And definitely not a decision maker but that DeWalt is uglier than s#it.
That’s the main upside with m12. I genuinely hope DeWalt expands their 12v line because the tools they have now are very good. I own the bandsaw, 3/8, 1/2, impact wrench, and impact driver. Own the m12 impact driver and hammer drill, 3/8 impact, and bandsaw. Im only looking at it for light duty service for HVAC so they both fit my needs. Im gonna go m18 if I need bigger tools for a certain job. Its just nice to have small lightweight tools when you have to climb on a roof with a toolbag.
please note that on the dewalt the first mode is a persicion mode where if you press on the trigger the tool will drive slowly untill it feels resistance, then it stops, and if you hold on to the trigger still pressed for another second it will start impacting. try it, dont release the trigger when the tool stops but keep the rigger pulled and after 2 seconds it will start impacting (p.s love your channel. Thanks MCT for pointing you out in one of his videos once and made me look you up :) )
Does the Dewalt slip the clutch kinda like the older M12 does and how the Dewalt drill does when you lower the number on the clutch? I already have Dewalts atomic line 20v impact and impact wrench and drill so I don’t really this 12v for driving screws I just want it to tighten my bolts when I change the oil and such.
@@goldentrucker7921 you're running an impact driver for automotive work, you don't need extreme power. You want light weight, good ergonomics etc Clear you don't do any. Impact driver auto wise, you're taking apart a dash, plastic trim, underbody stuff, all small work. You could do that with a cheap Bauer in reality from China Freight. I chose the tool that was the overall best to use, DeWalt wins that all day. M12 will never win with stem style batteries.
I have the M12 Fuel and the Surge drivers. One in the workshop and one in the car. These were a gamechanger! I remember lugging around a huge Rigid 18v "screwgun" which was a chuck drill with a bit holder and these beat the brakes off that. That opened up the M12 world to me and I never looked back. I had a major job to install bird netting on a large parking garage with no electric and the M12 Rotary hammer absolutely floored me!
@@TinkerWithTools My pleasure...i like cats too! Also thanks for helping me choose a 18v impact/drill kit. I chose the milwaukee compact m18 mostly because it was on sale and the power for size. The impact driver is a little violent for small screws because it takes lots of force to load th spring and the bits can be eaten fast, but i found it makes for a blazing fast hex bit drill for small holes on the other side! Good for pairng with a 12v kit, i think.
@@TinkerWithTools Yes It is the complete opposite of the Bosch , for instance, that are in general slower but have more control, for the impact drivers in particular. I was hesitant to pay full price for the Milwaukee compact kit because i did not have any experience with them, but now i think, from the little i used them, they are worth the full price...it's a question of knowing if the tool behaves in a way that is useful for you/anyone. have a good day!
I am a Dewalt guy hands down but I do like the design of the M12 impact and the angled head I wish DeWalt did that on their 12v line and good review of both these tools 👍
I bought myself a Surge for Christmas and that's a little monster. I've never cared for the DeWalt grip, although I was all DeWalt just a few years ago. Of course that was all 20v. I'm not sure if the 12v grips are different. I have a bit of a lump in my right palm from excessive use of my hand as a mallet, and the DeWalt 20v handle catches it wrong. I'm happy with my move over to Milwaukee in pretty much every regard, but I still keep three DeWalt stationary tools (790 Miter Saw, the bigger planer, and the 790 Radial Arm Saw), and I still have some Makitas, although only the track saw gets any air time. That one is awesome, and if you do some woodworking and can't justify the cost of the Festool, I highly recommend the Makita.
The three delays you kept are awesome. I have the kreg track saw right now (couldn’t justify the cost of Festool either and so I went kreg). Had it about two years now but I have a Milwaukee Track Saw in route that I am excited to try!
I know what you mean about the grip on the Milwaukee. I have good size hands. Not huge but nobody would ever look at my hand and mistake me for a woman. The fatter handle on the Milwaukee feels better to me.
That m12 impact kit has come on sale for $99 several times already, with battery and charger. It’s well worth that price. I think the old model should be available for cheaper now. Maybe $69.99 kit, I’d buy 5 of them…really hard to argue for the dewalt 12v line here when you can get their 20v compact drill with stacked lithium battery and it will be smaller than their 12v tool and more powerful.
Which would you go for with 50$ price difference. Looking at both with Drill, Impact, Battery and Charger Combo pack. Dewalt is 200 cdn and m12 fuels 250cdn. Also for 30$ more than 12v dewalt set you can get 20v compact dewalt set which aren't much bigger in size and I think will have more power than both m12 fuel and 12v dewalt.
I prefer the M12 mainly because of all of the other tools that M12 allows you to have as well. I do prefer the performance of the M12 more and think they are more invested in the 12v lineup moving forward. So for those reasons I would go Milwaukee even at the price difference. Now depending on which DEWALT 20v compact stuff you are talking about that might start to sway me a little. I really love their 1.7ah Powerstack and their compact XR drill. Weight is still going to be on the side of 12v but they simply can’t touch the performance of of their compact 20v tools depending on which you are getting.
I don’t really care for either the 794 or the 809. The 794 is compact but I prefer a little bit more power like the 799. The 809 isn’t terrible but at the price point I would pick up the 840 instead. It’s lighter, more powerful and about the same length.
@@TinkerWithTools I actually found a another bundle same price with 840 instead. That seems better, but the drill is still same in both. Canadian tire here for some reason has 840 where homedepot has 809.
I would go with the 840. I recently did an impact comparison and while I didn't test the 809 in that video, the 840 went toe to toe and even beat the 845 a few times. It's really a nice impact for the price.
At 3.50 it was necessary to keep pressing the trigger, not letting go, then after stopping the impact would start working again at a low speed, delicately turning the screw, this is how this mode works on the DCF601. I'm from Russia ))
I still have my first dewalt kit from probably over 10yrs ago. Brushed of course. Still work great, even the batteries eventhough they went awhile without being used when i got my ridgid 18v kits for heavier work. I started using my dewalt kit almost a year ago for lighter work i didnt need the 18v for and was surprised the batteries still worked and how well the tools handled some task they may have been a little much for them. Also they were the first tools i seen to be the more pistol grip style. I bought them working at a dealership where everyone had makita and they all busted my chops saying why did you get dewalt? Thats homeowner crap. Until they used them. They were surprised with the performance and especially ergonomics.
GREAT, INFORMATIVE video, man! I REALLY appreciate your content & in this particular clip, you hit on a very helpful, key point (helpful, to me, anyway).....for some background, I've recently delved into the M12 Fuel line, (started w/ the Hackzall, then the Surge, the High Speed 3/8" ratchet, the 3/8" Stubby AND 3/8" Right Angle Impact Wrench), but have yet to buy the typical "starter set", w/ the Hammer drill & impact driver. Got to check out a friend's recently purchased DeWalt DCF902 & LOVED the feel/ergonomics, (even tho I've zero issue w/ the thicker M12 grip ... kinda like it, as it reminds me of a Glock). While I've had no interest in delving into ANOTHER 12v platform, that holiday deal you mentioned on the DeWalt 12v drill/impact driver kit + free tool is STILL available @ Lowe's through the end of January & I've been SERIOUSLY considering it. When you pointed out the mode the DeWalt has for REALLY delicate fasteners, (as opposed to the M12's self tapping screw mode) & THAT'S PRECISELY what I wanted to know (the difference between the 2), so thinking that I'll now snatch up that DeWalt deal (& maybe catch the M12 kit down the line). Anyway.....(apologies for the novella-length comment😂), just wanted to say "THANKS!" for the info & helping me to make my decision! Much appreciated!💯👍🏼
I’m glad the video has been helpful. The surge is a great tool. It’s got decent power but the lack of the over the top noise is the best. I really hope we see a gen 2 surge both in M18 and M12 at some point!
Loved to see the low-settings showcased as well! 👌🏻 Also really like the new time graphic boxes you’ve got on the right side of the screen. Adds a nice touch!
Milwaukee needs to make a special battery for the pistol styled tools. Use stacked lithium to insert into a smaller more ergonomic handle. Have an adapter that allows the battery to go into other tools or be charged with existing charger.
I would be surprised if they changed the battery style on the M12 given how many tools on that platform. I could see them designing a pouch batter that would work on the existing battery style but not a whole redesign yet.
Yes it is i guess it depends on what I'm using it for I bought the 12v line to have compact tools but I was not planning on buying more then what I have I just wanted your input maybe would be a good tool review on the 902 or the new 903b
If I were in the situation, I would buy the newer of the tools. It's got more power if I remember correctly, so I would rather buy that one and hope it was enough for more tasks that I had. I have the 18v version of the tool with somewhat similar specs to the 903 and it's sufficient for a lot of things that I do. I still have a bigger impact but that really only comes out on really tough stuff or stubborn bolts.
I own the milwaukee; the unit is a beast and is comfortable in the hand. The reason probably why the milwaukee is hotter at the bit end is probably the friction transfer from the screws/bolts as it is faster than the dewalt.
I don't think a contractor is going to choose one or the other because , Oh one drives a 3" GRK 1 second faster than the other, I have both and one is just as good as the other. I am pretty much a fan of all Major Brands of Power tools.
Most of the comparisons I've seen don't make a difference. I use a 2.5 HO and a 3.0 CP in my surge, don't notice much of a difference. The key is just having those smaller profiles
been running the dewalt for 2 years. i like it better than my gen 4 milwaukee. the milwaukee has too much power for hanging durock. i also noticed it gets very hot like burnt my skin hot, it has a smell too. under worse tasks the dewalt has remained cool. i think dewalt is the better impact but with milwaukee they typically have a better impacts, more tools so take away i cant stop grabbing the dewalt
Glad you found something you like. I have always been drawn to the Milwaukee but I can agree with all the things you said other than the smell. Mine hasn’t ever had a problem with that.
I actually got my M12 to do decking/fencing 2-3 1/2" screws, and man at the end of the day it really does save your arm/wrist long run, i love my M18 gen3 it's fantastic but it does get tiring with the extra weight and honestly driving deck screws it just isn't needed at all, and the 3.0 battery is small enough u can keep 2-3 in ur pockets or pouch to hotswap and run it pretty much all day. I do have to disagree with your ergonomic opinions, maybe with the 5.0 battery it's true not sure don't run any 5.0s but with the barrel batteries the balance on the impact is just so nice and i love the button layout and handle feel just feels perfect for me personally. Also Long run with current DeWalt track record I'm a bit concerned how their 12V is running in 3-4 years, I've seen a metric ton of dead DeWalt tools on jobsites the last 4-5 years, i've even been phasing out all my DeWalt tools actively, I'm down to just a jigsaw, mitresaw, & Tablesaw everything else is Milwaukee now cause all my previous DeWalt stuff died or the batteries where so unreliable i had to run out and buy a replacement mid day. Just for context of my 12 Flexvolt batteries 9 have been warrantied at least once and some multiple times, i store my batteries in a water tight toolbox inside a garage so yea not great.
The ergonomics is most just about the fatter grip on the Milwaukee. The DEWALT handle/grip can be designed more ergonomically simply because the battery isn’t in the handle. But if you like the Milwaukee that is great. How it feels to the end user is what matters most.
The amount of 12v tools milwaukee has is way superior to dewalt and that matters most. Also I have larger hands and the milwaukee tools fit like a glove in my hands so I think those ergonomics are better.
I got the Milwaukee driver kit for $109 around Christmas. I had one of the 12v screwdrivers already and I prefer the grip on the M12 over the Dw. I have since bought the oscillating multi tool, and a drill driver. IMHO, the DW multitool isn't nearly as good as the Milwaukee is. I would even take the M12 over the 20v DW.
The footprint of the Dewalt is huge. Why not just get an 18V driver? 12V power tools that don't have the ability to put on a barrel style battery seem goofy to me.
Especially with DEWALT when they have the new atomic impact with a Powerstack and the DCD800/805. Other companies can’t always compete but DEWALT does have options.
I had the original DeWalt 12V. It was ok but not powerful to the 887 model. I now use the M12 3rd gen Milwaukee and the power is stronger that l use it over my 887, plus invested more into the M12 series of other tools because they take up less space than my full size tools.
M12 is a great lineup be on for a lot of tools. Plus they have invested heavily in it and have just about anything you could need for lighter (and even some heavier) tasks.
First off great video! I have both and though I have always liked Milwaukee due to the tool line up, I can safely say the Dewalt is a better overall impact driverfor the following reasons; Balance is key with any tool, especially if you are doing any overhead work, the thickness of the handle on the Dewalt is far better and the control. The ease of installing and removing the battery. And lastly if you buy the kit at Lowes right now for $149. You get a free 12v tool of your choice.
All good points. If the performance of the tools is sufficient it is the more comfortable tool to use but I don’t mind the M12 so I often default to that.
No, I going out. From the beginning of the video, the viewer is sensing that your heart is with the Dewalt. That would be okay for me if you had compared comparable setting. The equivalent of Low and High of the DeWalt are not equating to first and second on the M12. You should have selected speeds 2 and 3. 1 is more or less a precision setting. I don’t know if you’ll be accounting for that later in the video, but I hope so…
I had the 2nd Gen m12 kit, I am an auto tech BTW but after I got the Dewalt,I sold the Milwaukee. Power was near the same but the weight, ergonomics, the collet, etc the Dewalt wins all day. Milwaukee batteries feel cheap, hard to get out sometimes, clips break... Had issues as well with the impact cutting out at odd times. The Milwaukee kit got sold anyway and 100% DeWalt now
@@TinkerWithTools Yup I have them all. I have the drill, impact driver, the 3/8 regular and extended length ratchets and the 3/8 DCF 903. Love them all!
@@TinkerWithTools They did, very impressed with everything. The ratchets are same size as original Milwaukees but more power and faster. The impact wrenches have more power then the Milwaukee ones... They came to play this time.
The dewalt would be perfect for bench/assembly work. Especially electronics. Would also be great for wood working/diy stuff. The m12 would be perfect for hvac guys using a lot of zip screws/self tappers and for hanging duct work. Neither one are going to be drilling big holes, but thats obviously not what they're ment for. The dewalt would also be great for installing hangers and stuff/over head work. They would both be great for cabinet installs as well.
I would use the assembly tool from either because they have a clutch. They're both too powerful for electronics, unless you're talking sheet metal primarily. I can see using the DeWalt for cabinetry work like hinges and other hardware where you need power and slow speeds.
@@Immolate62 thats what the dewalt precision mode is for. It stops automatically, even w the trigger still pulled, once it impacts or about to impact. Thats why in precision mode it hardly put the screw in. And in reverse it senses once the fastener is broke free it slows way down so it doesnt zip it right off and send the fastener flying. I have the dewalt 12v installation tool. There's no impacting at all. Its pretty much a cordless screwdriver w interchangeable heads. It would be good for small stuff as well. But that was not in the video, i was speaking of the uses for the 2 tools in the video
I’m just glad to see that someone has forced Milwaukee to upgrade the power in their m12 tools. I guess they don’t want to infringe on the m18 line. They gone have to come with it now.
6" timberlok seems very much like an outlier though? Maybe its a good idea to re-test those that deviate so much from the curve everything else is on? For all i know it could be correct but there is a pattern here and this deviates alot. I know you gave stats both with and without this one, but i do have a feeling the correct number is somewhere in between. I mean if you wanna make a statistics teacher proud you could do every fastener 5 times, throw out the highestand lowest number of each and do the median (not average) of the remaining attempts
There can always be more done to more scientific but that the end of the day I can’t rule out all the variables. There are variations in any time of wood you drill into. That was was noted because as you said it was an outlier. But the main point is that the Milwaukee is more focused on the outright performance of the tool and it shows in a test like this. I did have a short earlier this week where we drove 5 timberloks each with two drills and like you guessed there is some variation. Check it out if you would like.
@@TinkerWithTools Oh yeah for sure theres variables, im totally fine with that. Thats real life. Its just a suggestion to smooth out those outlier numbers a bit, im fairly confident that 4,63 should have been a 7,5 or so. It would change the end score, but not to any significant amount. It still gives an impression overall. Im just thinking that compared to doing the math twice with and without this post, it would probably not be a very big task to do the median (as long as its kept to 5 theres no math needed) instead for results that are more reproducible. Can even play all 5 on the screen at the same time so the video doesnt get too long. Edit: The way i think of it is: you dont buy an impact to drive in 1 single screw, theyre gonna do thousands in their lifetime, why not get numbers that actually represent the average But yeah, stil get the idea from the overall score and this was just an idea. Totally cool if you wanna do it with single samples, for all i know the other viewers might feel this just overcomplicates things
@@kvernesdotten the milwaukee really started running away from the dewalt with the fastners 4-5", so for the 6" timerlock i dont think you're really going to see much difference no matter how many times you try it. This isnt something you're going to do with a 12v tool anyways. If you're installing more than a couple 5-6" fasteners, you're going to step it up to 18v or you're going to wear out the tool way faster. Hes just doing it for a comparison of the tools performance, not real world usage.
@@jacksmith2315 Its a test, i was purely discussing test parameters :) I too can see that milwaukee was faster and doing these tests in a more methodical way would probably not change that. Im just saying if we are getting numbers to quantify that, why not make them more meaningful? :)
@@kvernesdotten I want to do a more complete test for top tier drills for example that is more scientific. For the weekly videos it’s hard though. As they are it takes hours each week to film and edit. Not complaining about it but their are some constraints of both time and money that limit the weekly videos. The more complex test would be a major undertaking so it couldn’t be every week but it would be nice to see a more complete picture. I also want to eventually do more beginner or basics videos so there is something for people in different stages. I really do appreciate the suggestions though. Thanks for caring enough to want to make it better.
Dewalt should have made 12v powerstack batteries. Looking at your chart...whats: "total without"? Dewalt has better cooling because it has multiple cooling air ports.
It’s referencing the one test marked with an asterisk where the DEWALT really struggled. Seemed like a bit of an outlier so I wanted to show the difference with and without.
I have the DeWalt and I really do enjoy using it for small jobs. I love the power on the Milwaukee but the DeWalt is much more comfortable and has a better belt clip. The precision mode is great for cabinet hardware.
Me and my nephew did some testing on the older Milwaukee gen 2 and the DeWalt . I could out run the DeWalt till we went to small lag bolts then his DeWalt would out power the Milwaukee. We had a blast doing it half the neighborhood was over watching and laughing.
I actually like the Dewalt over the Milwaukee because the precision on the dewalt is better but the dewalt does not perform better precision than the Milwaukee m12 surge
Really good video, I use both and the Milwaukee just feels better, my Dewalt has a “mushy “ feel when you push it in to impact. Both tools are great, the m12 slips in my pocket, battery time is close ..I guess personal preference.
The Dewalt Impact driver is good for certain things, but in terms of how it competes against M12 fuel (this gen or even the prior generation) it needs an update to be competitive power and speed wise. Doesn't mean it's a bad tool just not the one to go with if those are the important features.
Drill- Packedge in typical box, came with a tool bag (added bonus), two batteries, one charger, drill, and driver. Two words "plenty of Torque" ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv well I guess that's three. Nice upgrade from current setup. Has belt clips, I don't think I will be using those. Driver and drill were bigger than what I expected but it is an upgrade from the current setup. For the money I would say that this is a great setup for Professionals and DIY/Weekend warriors.
That poor DeWalt is a wimp. I love their tools but good god you just don't mess with the M12. I actually don't like the trigger on the M12 but I keep it buried anyway.
@@TinkerWithTools Well the difference is the DeWalt that I own has a variable speed trigger which is much preferred by this wood butcher. The M12 has a 3 speed trigger which is just terrible. I always keep it pressed all the way.
The BIGGEST DIFFERENCE is that DeWalt Tool is a American Company and Milwaukee Tool is Owned by the CHINESE , so All your hard earned money is going to a CHINESE guy and they should make Milwaukee change their name to a CHINESE name like Hong Kong Tool and we'll see how many people Buy it Then ......
Just to clarify. DEWALT is an American company owned by an American company, Stanley Black and Decker. Milwaukee is an American company owned by a Hong Kong parent company, TTI. Not trying to change the point you are trying to make but Milwaukee is headquartered in Wisconsin.
The expansiveness of the Milwaukee M12 line is what sealed the deal for a 12v platform to replace my phased out Ridgid 12v tools. I was close to going with the DeWalt but they just didn’t have many tools. I didn’t want to get into another brands 12v platform for them to discontinue it like Ridgid! Get comparison video man!
Thanks.
You’re 100% right the M12 is a much larger and diverse platform I really don’t see much of a comparison between the two imo. And definitely not a decision maker but that DeWalt is uglier than s#it.
That’s the main upside with m12. I genuinely hope DeWalt expands their 12v line because the tools they have now are very good. I own the bandsaw, 3/8, 1/2, impact wrench, and impact driver.
Own the m12 impact driver and hammer drill, 3/8 impact, and bandsaw. Im only looking at it for light duty service for HVAC so they both fit my needs. Im gonna go m18 if I need bigger tools for a certain job. Its just nice to have small lightweight tools when you have to climb on a roof with a toolbag.
For home use you just need like 4 tools unless youre a contractor. If kot have your employer supply you with the milwaukee 12v
please note that on the dewalt the first mode is a persicion mode where if you press on the trigger the tool will drive slowly untill it feels resistance, then it stops, and if you hold on to the trigger still pressed for another second it will start impacting.
try it, dont release the trigger when the tool stops but keep the rigger pulled and after 2 seconds it will start impacting
(p.s love your channel. Thanks MCT for pointing you out in one of his videos once and made me look you up :) )
Thanks for mentioning it here. I knew about it on the bigger impacts but didn’t realize when I filmed this video it was that way.
Thanks for the tip. I'll try that
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Does the Dewalt slip the clutch kinda like the older M12 does and how the Dewalt drill does when you lower the number on the clutch? I already have Dewalts atomic line 20v impact and impact wrench and drill so I don’t really this 12v for driving screws I just want it to tighten my bolts when I change the oil and such.
The real benefit to the Milwaukee is running a 2.5cp high output. Makes it much more compact. Milwaukee is hands down king for automotive work also.
I do like the 2.5. Went 5 with this test but I run mine with either with the 2.5 or an XC battery.
@Tinker With Tools same way I do it.
I had the Milwaukee for automotive work, and I sold it... The Dewalt won easily
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@@goldentrucker7921 you're running an impact driver for automotive work, you don't need extreme power. You want light weight, good ergonomics etc Clear you don't do any. Impact driver auto wise, you're taking apart a dash, plastic trim, underbody stuff, all small work. You could do that with a cheap Bauer in reality from China Freight. I chose the tool that was the overall best to use, DeWalt wins that all day. M12 will never win with stem style batteries.
I used to hardly ever use any of my impacts at work, mainly just drills. When I bought the m12 3rd gen impact, that changed everything!
I have the M12 Fuel and the Surge drivers. One in the workshop and one in the car. These were a gamechanger! I remember lugging around a huge Rigid 18v "screwgun" which was a chuck drill with a bit holder and these beat the brakes off that. That opened up the M12 world to me and I never looked back. I had a major job to install bird netting on a large parking garage with no electric and the M12 Rotary hammer absolutely floored me!
I like how calm you are compared to other reviewers and i like your shirt!
Thanks! I appreciate it. As for the shirt, I like to throw a crazy t-shirt in there every now and then. This is one that my kids got me!
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My pleasure...i like cats too!
Also thanks for helping me choose a 18v impact/drill kit. I chose the milwaukee compact m18 mostly because it was on sale and the power for size. The impact driver is a little violent for small screws because it takes lots of force to load th spring and the bits can be eaten fast, but i found it makes for a blazing fast hex bit drill for small holes on the other side! Good for pairng with a 12v kit, i think.
Yeah there are a lot of speed on that little Milwaukee. Glad you like the kit though!
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Yes It is the complete opposite of the Bosch , for instance, that are in general slower but have more control, for the impact drivers in particular. I was hesitant to pay full price for the Milwaukee compact kit because i did not have any experience with them, but now i think, from the little i used them, they are worth the full price...it's a question of knowing if the tool behaves in a way that is useful for you/anyone.
have a good day!
you too!
You have some of the best analytics in your comparisons. Great job as always! 👍
Thanks!
I am a Dewalt guy hands down but I do like the design of the M12 impact and the angled head I wish DeWalt did that on their 12v line and good review of both these tools 👍
I bought myself a Surge for Christmas and that's a little monster. I've never cared for the DeWalt grip, although I was all DeWalt just a few years ago. Of course that was all 20v. I'm not sure if the 12v grips are different. I have a bit of a lump in my right palm from excessive use of my hand as a mallet, and the DeWalt 20v handle catches it wrong. I'm happy with my move over to Milwaukee in pretty much every regard, but I still keep three DeWalt stationary tools (790 Miter Saw, the bigger planer, and the 790 Radial Arm Saw), and I still have some Makitas, although only the track saw gets any air time. That one is awesome, and if you do some woodworking and can't justify the cost of the Festool, I highly recommend the Makita.
The three delays you kept are awesome. I have the kreg track saw right now (couldn’t justify the cost of Festool either and so I went kreg). Had it about two years now but I have a Milwaukee Track Saw in route that I am excited to try!
I know what you mean about the grip on the Milwaukee. I have good size hands. Not huge but nobody would ever look at my hand and mistake me for a woman. The fatter handle on the Milwaukee feels better to me.
That m12 impact kit has come on sale for $99 several times already, with battery and charger. It’s well worth that price. I think the old model should be available for cheaper now. Maybe $69.99 kit, I’d buy 5 of them…really hard to argue for the dewalt 12v line here when you can get their 20v compact drill with stacked lithium battery and it will be smaller than their 12v tool and more powerful.
Which would you go for with 50$ price difference. Looking at both with Drill, Impact, Battery and Charger Combo pack. Dewalt is 200 cdn and m12 fuels 250cdn.
Also for 30$ more than 12v dewalt set you can get 20v compact dewalt set which aren't much bigger in size and I think will have more power than both m12 fuel and 12v dewalt.
I prefer the M12 mainly because of all of the other tools that M12 allows you to have as well. I do prefer the performance of the M12 more and think they are more invested in the 12v lineup moving forward. So for those reasons I would go Milwaukee even at the price difference. Now depending on which DEWALT 20v compact stuff you are talking about that might start to sway me a little. I really love their 1.7ah Powerstack and their compact XR drill. Weight is still going to be on the side of 12v but they simply can’t touch the performance of of their compact 20v tools depending on which you are getting.
@@TinkerWithTools DCD794 and DCF809 they're ATOMIC COMPACT SERIES. I don't think they're XR that would be a level above.
I don’t really care for either the 794 or the 809. The 794 is compact but I prefer a little bit more power like the 799. The 809 isn’t terrible but at the price point I would pick up the 840 instead. It’s lighter, more powerful and about the same length.
@@TinkerWithTools I actually found a another bundle same price with 840 instead. That seems better, but the drill is still same in both. Canadian tire here for some reason has 840 where homedepot has 809.
I would go with the 840. I recently did an impact comparison and while I didn't test the 809 in that video, the 840 went toe to toe and even beat the 845 a few times. It's really a nice impact for the price.
At 3.50 it was necessary to keep pressing the trigger, not letting go, then after stopping the impact would start working again at a low speed, delicately turning the screw, this is how this mode works on the DCF601. I'm from Russia ))
Thanks for the tip
I've had that dewalt for a while now, the drill as well. Love em both
They are nice!
I still have my first dewalt kit from probably over 10yrs ago. Brushed of course. Still work great, even the batteries eventhough they went awhile without being used when i got my ridgid 18v kits for heavier work. I started using my dewalt kit almost a year ago for lighter work i didnt need the 18v for and was surprised the batteries still worked and how well the tools handled some task they may have been a little much for them. Also they were the first tools i seen to be the more pistol grip style. I bought them working at a dealership where everyone had makita and they all busted my chops saying why did you get dewalt? Thats homeowner crap. Until they used them. They were surprised with the performance and especially ergonomics.
GREAT, INFORMATIVE video, man! I REALLY appreciate your content & in this particular clip, you hit on a very helpful, key point (helpful, to me, anyway).....for some background, I've recently delved into the M12 Fuel line, (started w/ the Hackzall, then the Surge, the High Speed 3/8" ratchet, the 3/8" Stubby AND 3/8" Right Angle Impact Wrench), but have yet to buy the typical "starter set", w/ the Hammer drill & impact driver. Got to check out a friend's recently purchased DeWalt DCF902 & LOVED the feel/ergonomics, (even tho I've zero issue w/ the thicker M12 grip ... kinda like it, as it reminds me of a Glock). While I've had no interest in delving into ANOTHER 12v platform, that holiday deal you mentioned on the DeWalt 12v drill/impact driver kit + free tool is STILL available @ Lowe's through the end of January & I've been SERIOUSLY considering it. When you pointed out the mode the DeWalt has for REALLY delicate fasteners, (as opposed to the M12's self tapping screw mode) & THAT'S PRECISELY what I wanted to know (the difference between the 2), so thinking that I'll now snatch up that DeWalt deal (& maybe catch the M12 kit down the line). Anyway.....(apologies for the novella-length comment😂), just wanted to say "THANKS!" for the info & helping me to make my decision! Much appreciated!💯👍🏼
I’m glad the video has been helpful. The surge is a great tool. It’s got decent power but the lack of the over the top noise is the best. I really hope we see a gen 2 surge both in M18 and M12 at some point!
Loved to see the low-settings showcased as well! 👌🏻
Also really like the new time graphic boxes you’ve got on the right side of the screen. Adds a nice touch!
Thanks. I appreciate the feed back.
Milwaukee needs to make a special battery for the pistol styled tools. Use stacked lithium to insert into a smaller more ergonomic handle. Have an adapter that allows the battery to go into other tools or be charged with existing charger.
I would be surprised if they changed the battery style on the M12 given how many tools on that platform. I could see them designing a pouch batter that would work on the existing battery style but not a whole redesign yet.
I just purchased the new M12 Fuel impact driver, 2 amp hr. battery, and charger for $99.00. Am looking forward to start using it!
Great choice!
I've been using the bosch 12v impact and drill for a few years , stands up well , and they are the most comfortable 12v drills you can get
I like the Bosch 5 in 1 12v but I haven't loved the impact driver as much.
what are your thoughts on the DCF 902 vs this one? I have been going back and forth with what way to go on on the drills
The 902 is the impact wrench, correct. I haven't tried any of these 12v impact wrenches but I have a fan of the Dewalt 20v stuff.
Yes it is i guess it depends on what I'm using it for I bought the 12v line to have compact tools but I was not planning on buying more then what I have I just wanted your input maybe would be a good tool review on the 902 or the new 903b
If I were in the situation, I would buy the newer of the tools. It's got more power if I remember correctly, so I would rather buy that one and hope it was enough for more tasks that I had.
I have the 18v version of the tool with somewhat similar specs to the 903 and it's sufficient for a lot of things that I do. I still have a bigger impact but that really only comes out on really tough stuff or stubborn bolts.
3/24/23..HD $219 both hammer drill and impact gen3’s. Two batteries and charge. Plus bonus 5amp.
Great buy!
I own the milwaukee; the unit is a beast and is comfortable in the hand. The reason probably why the milwaukee is hotter at the bit end is probably the friction transfer from the screws/bolts as it is faster than the dewalt.
I don't think a contractor is going to choose one or the other because , Oh one drives a 3" GRK 1 second faster than the other, I have both and one is just as good as the other. I am pretty much a fan of all Major Brands of Power tools.
I just mostly appreciate that you used the optimized HO battery on the Milwaukee. Gonna get one for my m12 surge
Most of the comparisons I've seen don't make a difference. I use a 2.5 HO and a 3.0 CP in my surge, don't notice much of a difference. The key is just having those smaller profiles
The m12 surge is my go to tool for tight spaces. I cant wait for a gen 2 surge!
Same here on the gen 2 comment
been running the dewalt for 2 years. i like it better than my gen 4 milwaukee. the milwaukee has too much power for hanging durock. i also noticed it gets very hot like burnt my skin hot, it has a smell too. under worse tasks the dewalt has remained cool. i think dewalt is the better impact but with milwaukee they typically have a better impacts, more tools so take away i cant stop grabbing the dewalt
Glad you found something you like. I have always been drawn to the Milwaukee but I can agree with all the things you said other than the smell. Mine hasn’t ever had a problem with that.
Excelent video
got to buy 12volt tools
only have dewalt 20v
and milwaukee m18
That 3rd speed on the Milwaukee is no joke
I actually got my M12 to do decking/fencing 2-3 1/2" screws, and man at the end of the day it really does save your arm/wrist long run, i love my M18 gen3 it's fantastic but it does get tiring with the extra weight and honestly driving deck screws it just isn't needed at all, and the 3.0 battery is small enough u can keep 2-3 in ur pockets or pouch to hotswap and run it pretty much all day.
I do have to disagree with your ergonomic opinions, maybe with the 5.0 battery it's true not sure don't run any 5.0s but with the barrel batteries the balance on the impact is just so nice and i love the button layout and handle feel just feels perfect for me personally.
Also Long run with current DeWalt track record I'm a bit concerned how their 12V is running in 3-4 years, I've seen a metric ton of dead DeWalt tools on jobsites the last 4-5 years, i've even been phasing out all my DeWalt tools actively, I'm down to just a jigsaw, mitresaw, & Tablesaw everything else is Milwaukee now cause all my previous DeWalt stuff died or the batteries where so unreliable i had to run out and buy a replacement mid day. Just for context of my 12 Flexvolt batteries 9 have been warrantied at least once and some multiple times, i store my batteries in a water tight toolbox inside a garage so yea not great.
The ergonomics is most just about the fatter grip on the Milwaukee. The DEWALT handle/grip can be designed more ergonomically simply because the battery isn’t in the handle. But if you like the Milwaukee that is great. How it feels to the end user is what matters most.
@@TinkerWithTools maybe I have smaller hands than you too, cause I quite enjoy the thinner handle, might be the difference idk
The amount of 12v tools milwaukee has is way superior to dewalt and that matters most. Also I have larger hands and the milwaukee tools fit like a glove in my hands so I think those ergonomics are better.
I agree that the lineup sways me. If all you need is the core tools now dewalts lineup has gotten significantly more competitive in the last 2 years.
Underrated channel!
Thanks!
Lowes is still running the DeWalt 12v Xtreme kit + get a free tool until 2/1/23.
Thanks for the tip!
@@TinkerWithTools thank you for the vid and comparison!
I got the Milwaukee driver kit for $109 around Christmas. I had one of the 12v screwdrivers already and I prefer the grip on the M12 over the Dw. I have since bought the oscillating multi tool, and a drill driver. IMHO, the DW multitool isn't nearly as good as the Milwaukee is. I would even take the M12 over the 20v DW.
Smoking deal! The OMT from Milwaukee is awesome. I only have the m12 and it’s plenty powerful for what I need.
Where did you get that cool cat t-shirt from?
My wife gave it to me as a gift to wear in a video. I believe it cam from wal-mart.
You should test Milwaukee or Dewalt branded shirts next. 🙂
Whichever is made in Vietnam vs China is the winner. Vietnam always has higher quality and workmanship.
The footprint of the Dewalt is huge. Why not just get an 18V driver? 12V power tools that don't have the ability to put on a barrel style battery seem goofy to me.
Especially with DEWALT when they have the new atomic impact with a Powerstack and the DCD800/805. Other companies can’t always compete but DEWALT does have options.
I had the original DeWalt 12V. It was ok but not powerful to the 887 model. I now use the M12 3rd gen Milwaukee and the power is stronger that l use it over my 887, plus invested more into the M12 series of other tools because they take up less space than my full size tools.
M12 is a great lineup be on for a lot of tools. Plus they have invested heavily in it and have just about anything you could need for lighter (and even some heavier) tasks.
DeWalt has a precision mode, you don’t need to let go of the button and after a pause it will start tightening
First off great video! I have both and though I have always liked Milwaukee due to the tool line up, I can safely say the Dewalt is a better overall impact driverfor the following reasons; Balance is key with any tool, especially if you are doing any overhead work, the thickness of the handle on the Dewalt is far better and the control. The ease of installing and removing the battery. And lastly if you buy the kit at Lowes right now for $149. You get a free 12v tool of your choice.
All good points. If the performance of the tools is sufficient it is the more comfortable tool to use but I don’t mind the M12 so I often default to that.
No, I going out. From the beginning of the video, the viewer is sensing that your heart is with the Dewalt. That would be okay for me if you had compared comparable setting.
The equivalent of Low and High of the DeWalt are not equating to first and second on the M12. You should have selected speeds 2 and 3. 1 is more or less a precision setting. I don’t know if you’ll be accounting for that later in the video, but I hope so…
I had the 2nd Gen m12 kit, I am an auto tech BTW but after I got the Dewalt,I sold the Milwaukee. Power was near the same but the weight, ergonomics, the collet, etc the Dewalt wins all day. Milwaukee batteries feel cheap, hard to get out sometimes, clips break... Had issues as well with the impact cutting out at odd times. The Milwaukee kit got sold anyway and 100% DeWalt now
Do you run the ratchets as and impact wrenches as well?
@@TinkerWithTools Yup I have them all. I have the drill, impact driver, the 3/8 regular and extended length ratchets and the 3/8 DCF 903. Love them all!
@@FusionBoost2.0 they really did this generation of tools right in my opinion.
@@TinkerWithTools They did, very impressed with everything. The ratchets are same size as original Milwaukees but more power and faster. The impact wrenches have more power then the Milwaukee ones... They came to play this time.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
The dewalt would be perfect for bench/assembly work. Especially electronics. Would also be great for wood working/diy stuff. The m12 would be perfect for hvac guys using a lot of zip screws/self tappers and for hanging duct work. Neither one are going to be drilling big holes, but thats obviously not what they're ment for. The dewalt would also be great for installing hangers and stuff/over head work. They would both be great for cabinet installs as well.
Well said Jack. The precision drive mode could be clutch for electronics or other small precision work.
I would use the assembly tool from either because they have a clutch. They're both too powerful for electronics, unless you're talking sheet metal primarily. I can see using the DeWalt for cabinetry work like hinges and other hardware where you need power and slow speeds.
@@Immolate62 thats what the dewalt precision mode is for. It stops automatically, even w the trigger still pulled, once it impacts or about to impact. Thats why in precision mode it hardly put the screw in. And in reverse it senses once the fastener is broke free it slows way down so it doesnt zip it right off and send the fastener flying. I have the dewalt 12v installation tool. There's no impacting at all. Its pretty much a cordless screwdriver w interchangeable heads. It would be good for small stuff as well. But that was not in the video, i was speaking of the uses for the 2 tools in the video
I’m going to make a video of the DeWalt
DCF801 going up against the speedair 21AA44 driving in lag bolt screws
I’m just glad to see that someone has forced Milwaukee to upgrade the power in their m12 tools. I guess they don’t want to infringe on the m18 line. They gone have to come with it now.
Competition benefits us all.
I have the Dewalt and love it. It’s a rowdy little fella.
I have liked the DEWALT so far.
6" timberlok seems very much like an outlier though? Maybe its a good idea to re-test those that deviate so much from the curve everything else is on? For all i know it could be correct but there is a pattern here and this deviates alot. I know you gave stats both with and without this one, but i do have a feeling the correct number is somewhere in between.
I mean if you wanna make a statistics teacher proud you could do every fastener 5 times, throw out the highestand lowest number of each and do the median (not average) of the remaining attempts
There can always be more done to more scientific but that the end of the day I can’t rule out all the variables. There are variations in any time of wood you drill into. That was was noted because as you said it was an outlier. But the main point is that the Milwaukee is more focused on the outright performance of the tool and it shows in a test like this.
I did have a short earlier this week where we drove 5 timberloks each with two drills and like you guessed there is some variation. Check it out if you would like.
@@TinkerWithTools Oh yeah for sure theres variables, im totally fine with that. Thats real life. Its just a suggestion to smooth out those outlier numbers a bit, im fairly confident that 4,63 should have been a 7,5 or so. It would change the end score, but not to any significant amount. It still gives an impression overall. Im just thinking that compared to doing the math twice with and without this post, it would probably not be a very big task to do the median (as long as its kept to 5 theres no math needed) instead for results that are more reproducible. Can even play all 5 on the screen at the same time so the video doesnt get too long.
Edit: The way i think of it is: you dont buy an impact to drive in 1 single screw, theyre gonna do thousands in their lifetime, why not get numbers that actually represent the average
But yeah, stil get the idea from the overall score and this was just an idea. Totally cool if you wanna do it with single samples, for all i know the other viewers might feel this just overcomplicates things
@@kvernesdotten the milwaukee really started running away from the dewalt with the fastners 4-5", so for the 6" timerlock i dont think you're really going to see much difference no matter how many times you try it. This isnt something you're going to do with a 12v tool anyways. If you're installing more than a couple 5-6" fasteners, you're going to step it up to 18v or you're going to wear out the tool way faster. Hes just doing it for a comparison of the tools performance, not real world usage.
@@jacksmith2315 Its a test, i was purely discussing test parameters :) I too can see that milwaukee was faster and doing these tests in a more methodical way would probably not change that. Im just saying if we are getting numbers to quantify that, why not make them more meaningful? :)
@@kvernesdotten I want to do a more complete test for top tier drills for example that is more scientific. For the weekly videos it’s hard though. As they are it takes hours each week to film and edit. Not complaining about it but their are some constraints of both time and money that limit the weekly videos. The more complex test would be a major undertaking so it couldn’t be every week but it would be nice to see a more complete picture.
I also want to eventually do more beginner or basics videos so there is something for people in different stages.
I really do appreciate the suggestions though. Thanks for caring enough to want to make it better.
Dewalt should have made 12v powerstack batteries. Looking at your chart...whats: "total without"?
Dewalt has better cooling because it has multiple cooling air ports.
It’s referencing the one test marked with an asterisk where the DEWALT really struggled. Seemed like a bit of an outlier so I wanted to show the difference with and without.
Temp gun test cracks me up, just use your hand, warm to touch is good, anything more no good. Yes I use temp guns.
It’s mainly just a way of conveying what you can feel with your hand. People like data.
Interesting.
Another top notch video.
Thanks!
Excelente demostración, poderosas maquinas, prefiero Dewalt👊🏽🔥
Gracias!
In automotive world. The 12 v tools shine. A lot of small task work.
They shine a lot of places. The power they have these days is sufficient for most tasks.
Hypertough brushless is the way to go
I have the DeWalt and I really do enjoy using it for small jobs. I love the power on the Milwaukee but the DeWalt is much more comfortable and has a better belt clip. The precision mode is great for cabinet hardware.
I can really see that feature being a differentiator for some.
Both good tools.
Ketchup and mustard
Power and ergonomics.
Well said!
Milwaukee wins for innovation and wide array of tools in both m18 and m12 line.
That’s a big selling point.
Me and my nephew did some testing on the older Milwaukee gen 2 and the DeWalt . I could out run the DeWalt till we went to small lag bolts then his DeWalt would out power the Milwaukee. We had a blast doing it half the neighborhood was over watching and laughing.
That’s awesome!
I actually like the Dewalt over the Milwaukee because the precision on the dewalt is better but the dewalt does not perform better precision than the Milwaukee m12 surge
I want DEWALT to make an surge competitor.
Milwaukee m12 line is impressive
It really is!
Really good video, I use both and the Milwaukee just feels better, my Dewalt has a “mushy “ feel when you push it in to impact. Both tools are great, the m12 slips in my pocket, battery time is close ..I guess personal preference.
The Dewalt Impact driver is good for certain things, but in terms of how it competes against M12 fuel (this gen or even the prior generation) it needs an update to be competitive power and speed wise. Doesn't mean it's a bad tool just not the one to go with if those are the important features.
First!! Dewalt for the win!
more powerfull for the red but she burn his motor ... yellow look powerfull and safe in long time so .... yellow look the best choice for me.
Drill- Packedge in typical box, came with a tool bag (added bonus), two batteries, one charger, drill, and driver. Two words "plenty of Torque" ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv well I guess that's three. Nice upgrade from current setup. Has belt clips, I don't think I will be using those. Driver and drill were bigger than what I expected but it is an upgrade from the current setup. For the money I would say that this is a great setup for Professionals and DIY/Weekend warriors.
Ebay has the milwaukee bare tool for $89.00 trusted seller
Thanks for passing it on.
Milwaukee M12 has bigger torque than DeWalt 12v extreme... It's my humble opinion 😁
Not really a drag race , more like a marathon.
That poor DeWalt is a wimp. I love their tools but good god you just don't mess with the M12. I actually don't like the trigger on the M12 but I keep it buried anyway.
The new trigger is better in my opinion but it’s not DEWALT.
@@TinkerWithTools Well the difference is the DeWalt that I own has a variable speed trigger which is much preferred by this wood butcher. The M12 has a 3 speed trigger which is just terrible. I always keep it pressed all the way.
Whats most compact? M12 wins. Dewalt batteries are too big, compared to m12
Heat kills tools I have both and the Milwaukee handle is absolutely horrible who cares about performance when it’s uncomfortable to use it.
I get that not everyone will like the grip. I do think the Dewalt grip is better, but I don't think the Milwaukee is terrible.
Thing is the dewalt is half the cost!
Milwaukee got hotter because of the much higher rpm it as
6.25.24😮
Nice
Why do these guys cover the air holes w/there hands!!! Stop it+the tool would not be so warm. Let the tool breath please!!
The BIGGEST DIFFERENCE is that DeWalt Tool is a American Company and Milwaukee Tool is Owned by the CHINESE , so All your hard earned money is going to a CHINESE guy and they should make Milwaukee change their name to a CHINESE name like Hong Kong Tool and we'll see how many people Buy it Then ......
Just to clarify. DEWALT is an American company owned by an American company, Stanley Black and Decker. Milwaukee is an American company owned by a Hong Kong parent company, TTI. Not trying to change the point you are trying to make but Milwaukee is headquartered in Wisconsin.
@Tinker With Tools Yes I know their "Headquarters " is here , But at the End of The Day Milwaukee's Profits are Going To China to Chinese People ....
Lol nice shirt
Thanks! My son gave me that for Christmas!
@@TinkerWithTools hug life with cats ain't a bad life lol
Just stay away from milwaukee if you're a lefty/south paw😩
Nice comparison, love the content as usual, thank you and keep up the great work.
Thanks!
Honeslty i think dewalt is the better deal, longevity vs speed. As a home owner i pick dewalt.