If you are going to slip the cables under the steels, assuming there is a small gap, then use some short lengths of oval conduit to form little “tunnels”. Very impressed with how clean you keep your workspace😊. This rewire series is really entertaining, thanks .
Pre drilling before chaseing out , definatly a ,no brainer, .ive done it...mortar holds the bit in the right place...And if your going off. you,ll see it sooner / PS. all rubbish goes behind bath panel !
HA! friend is a bathroom fitter, he removed the ceiling below a bathroom to access all the plumbing (plasterboard was damaged anyway due to the leak). The floor under the bath was completely missing and the void was full of rubble, he narrowly avoided being hit by an entire brick lol
A bit like some of the Norwich council houses I helped with rewiring... British Iron and Steel Federation (BISF) houses. Lifted the boards and found girders about 3ft apart... there was a good inch or so clearance between that and the plasterboard ceiling below so it wasn't too bad really. The attic was a sod, all 2" angle iron and spaced far apart so a bit of a stretch navigating through without crawl boards. Interesting rewire was a Dorlonco design... house looked quite smart from the front... nightmare. Steel framed and a nice big girder across the living room but the floor between upstairs and downstairs was concrete slab... the council spec was for surface trunking and we certainly used a fair bit in those properties.
Those are cinder blocks made with clinker from coal fired power stations & they have a habit of destroying blades and bits because the clinker is very abrasive. They're also a pain because they can be very crumbly when trying to make fixing holes.
@@andywarwick9495Same as my old house also built in 1929, it was the builder's last house and they must have run out of everything The walls upstairs between two bedrooms and a corridor were made out of plaster mixed with straw and in the dining room in one corner next to a chimney that supported the house, they used large pebbles and plaster. Never needed a drill to put anything up, just a bradel, you can imagine my shock when after 30 years we moved in to a home that has all brick walls. 😂👍
@@everestyeti the plaster mix is probably lath and plaster, indicative of that time and pre-plasterboard. We have just had a loft extension and needed to move an internal wall made of the stuff. Huge mess. During bathroom renovation we found old chimney in corner that used to go to kitchen for cooking. That was clinker and needed rebuilding in real brick. Also need to watch out for windows without lintels, as old hard wood frames could bear load that modern PVC doesn't. Probably still better built than some modern houses though…
Post war houses often used very 'experimental' construction in order to economize on timber. The GPO (phone company, later BT) even had to use reinforced concrete battery racks due to timber shortages. Caused problems with corrosion due to the acid vapour/spray
did one like this with 2 steels in house, made the job so much more difficult, heating lads had already laid across loads of main runs so used 50/60 extra meters of cable, work looks toppa mate, i like how much control you have in a rewire to fully run it from start to finish
I wired a non standard house once, it had floor "panels" upstairs which sat on steel framework. The whole house was steel framed, with steel in the loft too. Unlike the one in your video, the one I worked on had a massive gap between the 3x2 floor joists and the 2x2 ceiling framework. We could literally throw cables in!
Sometimes the simplest of changes are absolute genius. Drilling before chasing is a great idea for old brick places. I’ve never thought about doing it that way. When running in data I’ve often had to bang a different hole through to work with whatever’s behind the box.
VRI cable was common in the 50's and maybe 60's when good materials were still on ration after WW2. SO bricks and blocks will be mixed utility grades, timbers will be the minimum sizes. There's a reason why modern computer rooms are small, but in big spaces -all the cable has to hide under floors of behind false walls
Having spent 40 plus years as an industrial electrician working on all sorts of equipment I have to think why would any electrician choose to do house rewires. So much semi skilled work with so little rewarding / interesting work. All that time chasing out walls floors and masonry.
Had steel like that in new build houses years ago with a joist on each side we had to notch the joists each side and take the cables over with a steel plate above. surprised didn't have dado trunking in the office. See you the other day at the NEC going in as I was going out by the time I had looked twice too late to say Hi got a testing bag though from the Verlocity stand. Mike's has a great UA-cam channel.
I feel for you Nick having steels under the floor I had a few like that takes a lot of work getting cables under them and having no twists in the cable or they don’t go under the steel. Or even worse you loop over one and have to pull it back.
Not every job is easy little things pop up and resolved to press on and tools do burn out ,I was putting toilets into office blocks and we bought two new drills as there was so many toilets to do as we had to fix into concrete floors it took weeks to complete.
As soon as you see joists running side to side , non brick at front and back faces ( timber, slates,tiles) between floors . Youre probably in a cubit steel framed house . Were a system build in the 70's terrible construction. Dividing walls are thermalite panels very brittle. Whole street is usually a continuous steel frame . Noise travels between the houses. Through the steel. Built during a nationwide brick shortage , to get council houses up fast .
That office has more socket and Data points as my front room but not as close together samething appened to me with the back boxes when I put my new kitchen in most anoying. Good luck with the kitchen your going to need it.
hit some soft brick with the chaser blade, might brighten up a little if its glazed over... next door neighbours block paving would look good with some stripes in it 😆
Thought James Arthur had joined the gang at first,,,I take hat off to you house bashers although the chaser is a definitely needed tool..always great drop in see what u up to feller…
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Pan head screws! Get some! The countersunk head ones will skew your boxes...which is actually quite useful sometimes. Trust me...keep a variety of screws on the van at all times! A 15cm frame fixing, with the plastic sleeve removed, and using a right-angled screwdriver, will get you out of trouble many times. I look at that room with the old chimney breast...8 double sockets, 4 data sockets, 2 or more light switches, I forget exactly what, but let's say LOADS of chases! Loads of dust, loads of blades, loads of hassle, loads of noise, loads of making good... Just stud-wall it by say 38mm cls. Especially around the chimney...it's not exactly going to shrink the room, is it? Go for a stud wall over the existing, easy to fit back-boxes, plenty room behind for cables and room to add more in the future. Also, with data cables, always run twice as many to each point, cover the outlets with brush-boxes and leave the "spares" out of site behind, but thus easily accessible in the future. That way you can run cat6 and HDMI to each point...or, even easier, run cat6 to all points and use a cat6 to HDMI converter so you don't need to accommodate the size of an HDMI plug...and use HDMI ribbon cable as an alternative. Couple of days ago, ran a new cat6 cable from ground floor to attic in a huge house...the original cable was faulty...used it as a pull-thru and then left it in place for use in the future as a pull-through again. Just my thoughts...
Love the videos nick, keep up the hard work. You need to convince them not to bring all those data cables into the office thought, they'll never get it looking tidy there'll be cables everywhere when they put the network switch in. Get them to take them all to a cupboard or up to the lift, then put in a cabinet and terminate them all to a patch panel. I run my own business, York WiFi Solutions, and we specialise in networks, WiFi and smart internet for homes and business, if you want to chat. Cheers, Ian 👍 ps, didnt see it in the video, but make sure they jave one next to where the connection to the internet comes in.
@@chrisglover1978 Nice well thought out, we've had to move a few from rooms and office for people in the past as the wherring from equipment fans and the heating generated was too much to making working in the office comfortable. Although companies are starting to bring out fanless equipment nowadays. I'd also fire in ethernet for CCTV now too while nick is chasing all the walls, even if you don't need it now better to have the cables in place for the future rather than trying to retro later. Good luck with the rest of your renovation hope it all goes well 👍
Steel is a pain nick 😡 , id pull them away from wall where going under the Steel mate , then if some numpty puts coving up does screw into your cable 🤷♂️, greats vids 👍
Note that the concept of less than 50mm/RCD protection as per 522.6.202 does not apply to floors/ceilings, so if a soft skinned cable cable runs over/under the likes of those steels at less than 50mm from top/bottom of the steel (where the top/bottom of the steel is close enough to the top of the floorboards allowing the cable to be pearced), they should be mechanically protected, as per indent iv) of 522.6.204 (guidance recommending e.g. steel plate to be minimum 3mm thick). I had this situation recently, where there was just enough depth between the underside of the floorboards and the top of the steels to run a 10mm T&E. So, I went to a local engineering works and got them to cut me some steel sheet into plates to required dimensions, then fixed them to the undersides of the floorboards over the cables so they didn't just sit on the cables or slip off.
wow, did you not offer to put dado trucking above the desks? or at least just have a couple sockets with a decent quality extension lead mounted under desks to plug in there office equipment? that's a ridiculous amount of chasing? surely there was a better place to locate the data cables and have a proper patch panel cabinet? im no data expert but that looks like a crap place to run all the cat cables??? even just bringing them surface through the floorboard as a bunch in trunking would of been a lot better them chasing them in them and putting them in oval??
Drilling loads of wood out of a timber frame house? Who'd do that? You'd have to give them some LEE way. Maybe they'd been in the BAR? Or maybe it was a BET they'd taken?
@@tobysherring1369 I remember watching that video and my mouth went so dry watching that time lapse where he cut the channel out of the timber. I read all the comments afterwards and so many people had commented on it, and that the structural integrity of the house was ruined. In one reply, Jordan did say that they had gotten an engineer out to check the house and all was well. Then in a later video on a different job, Lee disappeared for a while, and when he came back he said that he'd been back to that house to do some other work and that the owner had given him a beer! So the relationship with the home owner was still good. I guess it was all OK in the end. But it was tough to watch.
I like to shuv the dust and wood under the floor for free insulation for the customer, I’m such a caring guy, sick job that is, shame about the steels tho I bet you loved finding them 😂
Data cables how quaint. Jesus nick the chases for those back boxes are an over kill. If I did that as an apprentice I would have my arse kicked to kingdom come and back again, plus I think you got to many chases for the cables, personally, I think you need to rethink how you run cables
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Top tip!!! Always protect your knees! I’m not yet 50 and awaiting a partial replacement. I didn’t use knee pads etc, and now paying for it.
Find and use work trousers with knee pad pockets, put pads in the pockets.
If you are going to slip the cables under the steels, assuming there is a small gap, then use some short lengths of oval conduit to form little “tunnels”. Very impressed with how clean you keep your workspace😊. This rewire series is really entertaining, thanks .
Artex hate it hate it did I say I hate it well I do hate it just saying 👻
A Clean workspace is a good safe workspace and he doesn't even know what a broom is.
4:41 pan head screws do well for them back boxes if you want to give them a try 🙂
I thought the same too 👍
Pre drilling before chaseing out , definatly a ,no brainer, .ive done it...mortar holds the bit in the right place...And if your going off. you,ll see it sooner / PS. all rubbish goes behind bath panel !
HA! friend is a bathroom fitter, he removed the ceiling below a bathroom to access all the plumbing (plasterboard was damaged anyway due to the leak). The floor under the bath was completely missing and the void was full of rubble, he narrowly avoided being hit by an entire brick lol
Moral of the story ...always check behind the bath panel...😊@@TheChipmunk2008
Spoken by a truly educated man.
A bit like some of the Norwich council houses I helped with rewiring... British Iron and Steel Federation (BISF) houses. Lifted the boards and found girders about 3ft apart... there was a good inch or so clearance between that and the plasterboard ceiling below so it wasn't too bad really. The attic was a sod, all 2" angle iron and spaced far apart so a bit of a stretch navigating through without crawl boards. Interesting rewire was a Dorlonco design... house looked quite smart from the front... nightmare. Steel framed and a nice big girder across the living room but the floor between upstairs and downstairs was concrete slab... the council spec was for surface trunking and we certainly used a fair bit in those properties.
Those are cinder blocks made with clinker from coal fired power stations & they have a habit of destroying blades and bits because the clinker is very abrasive. They're also a pain because they can be very crumbly when trying to make fixing holes.
Exactly this .
Our house, 1929, has walls full of it. Nightmare.
Awful things, my house has them and its a real pain to do anything.
@@andywarwick9495Same as my old house also built in 1929, it was the builder's last house and they must have run out of everything The walls upstairs between two bedrooms and a corridor were made out of plaster mixed with straw and in the dining room in one corner next to a chimney that supported the house, they used large pebbles and plaster. Never needed a drill to put anything up, just a bradel, you can imagine my shock when after 30 years we moved in to a home that has all brick walls. 😂👍
@@everestyeti the plaster mix is probably lath and plaster, indicative of that time and pre-plasterboard. We have just had a loft extension and needed to move an internal wall made of the stuff. Huge mess. During bathroom renovation we found old chimney in corner that used to go to kitchen for cooking. That was clinker and needed rebuilding in real brick. Also need to watch out for windows without lintels, as old hard wood frames could bear load that modern PVC doesn't. Probably still better built than some modern houses though…
should use 35mm box all around. makes it easier to terminate especially for usb sockets.
Most usb sockets fit nicely into 25mm back boxes.
@@rayc1503
Really show me !!!
Post war houses often used very 'experimental' construction in order to economize on timber. The GPO (phone company, later BT) even had to use reinforced concrete battery racks due to timber shortages.
Caused problems with corrosion due to the acid vapour/spray
Late 70s, early 80s, if I recall, they experimented with concrete telephone poles as well.
did one like this with 2 steels in house, made the job so much more difficult, heating lads had already laid across loads of main runs so used 50/60 extra meters of cable, work looks toppa mate, i like how much control you have in a rewire to fully run it from start to finish
Love the pre drilling idea. So simple
Big fan of the longer vids ⚡
Thanks for the kind words bro! ❤
Hope you enjoyed the visit to my house. Sorry I missed you. When's the video going to be out?
I wired a non standard house once, it had floor "panels" upstairs which sat on steel framework. The whole house was steel framed, with steel in the loft too. Unlike the one in your video, the one I worked on had a massive gap between the 3x2 floor joists and the 2x2 ceiling framework. We could literally throw cables in!
I have worked on houses like that.they also had steel door frames,which were a nightmare when you had to fit fire doors
Pan head screws are great instead of faffing with washers.
Nice idea on pre drilling 👍
Sometimes the simplest of changes are absolute genius. Drilling before chasing is a great idea for old brick places. I’ve never thought about doing it that way. When running in data I’ve often had to bang a different hole through to work with whatever’s behind the box.
I am really enjoying watching this renew rewiring job thanks for sharing it with us
VRI cable was common in the 50's and maybe 60's when good materials were still on ration after WW2. SO bricks and blocks will be mixed utility grades, timbers will be the minimum sizes. There's a reason why modern computer rooms are small, but in big spaces -all the cable has to hide under floors of behind false walls
Having spent 40 plus years as an industrial electrician working on all sorts of equipment I have to think why would any electrician choose to do house rewires. So much semi skilled work with so little rewarding / interesting work. All that time chasing out walls floors and masonry.
😂 Jordan pretty much hacked that timber framed house out 😂. Nice work Nick. 👊
That's the first thing came to my mind when Nick said that. Those people absolutely butchered it 😂
good call pre drilling the holes.
Had steel like that in new build houses years ago with a joist on each side we had to notch the joists each side and take the cables over with a steel plate above. surprised didn't have dado trunking in the office. See you the other day at the NEC going in as I was going out by the time I had looked twice too late to say Hi got a testing bag though from the Verlocity stand. Mike's has a great UA-cam channel.
I feel for you Nick having steels under the floor I had a few like that takes a lot of work getting cables under them and having no twists in the cable or they don’t go under the steel. Or even worse you loop over one and have to pull it back.
Not every job is easy little things pop up and resolved to press on and tools do burn out ,I was putting toilets into office blocks and we bought two new drills as there was so many toilets to do as we had to fix into concrete floors it took weeks to complete.
Ace video. Attention to detail is spot on. 👌🏻
Good work metabo chased a must on a rewire I need to get one
As soon as you see joists running side to side , non brick at front and back faces ( timber, slates,tiles) between floors .
Youre probably in a cubit steel framed house . Were a system build in the 70's terrible construction. Dividing walls are thermalite panels very brittle. Whole street is usually a continuous steel frame . Noise travels between the houses. Through the steel. Built during a nationwide brick shortage , to get council houses up fast .
Tapcon make domehead concrete screws, might be better as they wouldn't pull the box over if the screw hole is slightly off.
Bit of a hint with surface heating pipes
That office has more socket and Data points as my front room but not as close together
samething appened to me with the back boxes when I put my new kitchen in most anoying.
Good luck with the kitchen your going to need it.
hit some soft brick with the chaser blade, might brighten up a little if its glazed over... next door neighbours block paving would look good with some stripes in it 😆
Thought James Arthur had joined the gang at first,,,I take hat off to you house bashers although the chaser is a definitely needed tool..always great drop in see what u up to feller…
Use Orbix screws for your boxies .... way better .
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I hope you're doing well.
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You should allways have a back up part workmen lol 😂😂
Pan head screws! Get some! The countersunk head ones will skew your boxes...which is actually quite useful sometimes. Trust me...keep a variety of screws on the van at all times! A 15cm frame fixing, with the plastic sleeve removed, and using a right-angled screwdriver, will get you out of trouble many times.
I look at that room with the old chimney breast...8 double sockets, 4 data sockets, 2 or more light switches, I forget exactly what, but let's say LOADS of chases! Loads of dust, loads of blades, loads of hassle, loads of noise, loads of making good...
Just stud-wall it by say 38mm cls. Especially around the chimney...it's not exactly going to shrink the room, is it? Go for a stud wall over the existing, easy to fit back-boxes, plenty room behind for cables and room to add more in the future. Also, with data cables, always run twice as many to each point, cover the outlets with brush-boxes and leave the "spares" out of site behind, but thus easily accessible in the future. That way you can run cat6 and HDMI to each point...or, even easier, run cat6 to all points and use a cat6 to HDMI converter so you don't need to accommodate the size of an HDMI plug...and use HDMI ribbon cable as an alternative. Couple of days ago, ran a new cat6 cable from ground floor to attic in a huge house...the original cable was faulty...used it as a pull-thru and then left it in place for use in the future as a pull-through again.
Just my thoughts...
Love the videos nick, keep up the hard work.
You need to convince them not to bring all those data cables into the office thought, they'll never get it looking tidy there'll be cables everywhere when they put the network switch in. Get them to take them all to a cupboard or up to the lift, then put in a cabinet and terminate them all to a patch panel. I run my own business, York WiFi Solutions, and we specialise in networks, WiFi and smart internet for homes and business, if you want to chat.
Cheers, Ian 👍
ps, didnt see it in the video, but make sure they jave one next to where the connection to the internet comes in.
It's my house, there's going to be a 19" rack in the office in front of the cable outlet. There is a connection for the internet as well 😊
@@chrisglover1978 Nice well thought out, we've had to move a few from rooms and office for people in the past as the wherring from equipment fans and the heating generated was too much to making working in the office comfortable. Although companies are starting to bring out fanless equipment nowadays. I'd also fire in ethernet for CCTV now too while nick is chasing all the walls, even if you don't need it now better to have the cables in place for the future rather than trying to retro later.
Good luck with the rest of your renovation hope it all goes well 👍
@@ianllewelyn8279 there's an insane amount of cat 6 put in for everything. Nick now hates me! Thanks for the support
What cable? Did you say IR? Whats wrong with that? I have no idea, I'm curious
Where did you get your telescopic pole for the laser pal
Bosch website back In The day mate
Steel is a pain nick 😡 , id pull them away from wall where going under the Steel mate , then if some numpty puts coving up does screw into your cable 🤷♂️, greats vids 👍
Try and find something very hard to clean up the blades as they look very clogged up
May have been easier to drop everything from the loft space
Like the teeshirt saying ‘Ma’ - is that for Adam’s mum??!!😅
they make pan head screws you know.
Another great video mate Have a great weekend. You could run Cat cables for CCTV as well while your in the loft for future 👍🏻
are they going to have a call center in that box room or something??? how many sockets lol
Great video Nick
Hard work doing that by yourself. Will you ever replace your last apprentice?
Note that the concept of less than 50mm/RCD protection as per 522.6.202 does not apply to floors/ceilings, so if a soft skinned cable cable runs over/under the likes of those steels at less than 50mm from top/bottom of the steel (where the top/bottom of the steel is close enough to the top of the floorboards allowing the cable to be pearced), they should be mechanically protected, as per indent iv) of 522.6.204 (guidance recommending e.g. steel plate to be minimum 3mm thick). I had this situation recently, where there was just enough depth between the underside of the floorboards and the top of the steels to run a 10mm T&E. So, I went to a local engineering works and got them to cut me some steel sheet into plates to required dimensions, then fixed them to the undersides of the floorboards over the cables so they didn't just sit on the cables or slip off.
what laser and pole do you use nick
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amzn.eu/d/06vbiPxg
There links to both the laser and pole bud
wow, did you not offer to put dado trucking above the desks? or at least just have a couple sockets with a decent quality extension lead mounted under desks to plug in there office equipment? that's a ridiculous amount of chasing? surely there was a better place to locate the data cables and have a proper patch panel cabinet? im no data expert but that looks like a crap place to run all the cat cables??? even just bringing them surface through the floorboard as a bunch in trunking would of been a lot better them chasing them in them and putting them in oval??
Cheeky nod to a Gifford Hole 🤣
Let’s goooo
Amazes me you still find houses wired in VIR.
My house is built like that, only one internal wall lines upstairs and downstairs
The rest are like a foot or two out 🤦
Nice job mate ! Presume the reason the heating pipes are on show and look shite is because of the steel girders 🥴🥴 👍
Drilling loads of wood out of a timber frame house? Who'd do that? You'd have to give them some LEE way. Maybe they'd been in the BAR? Or maybe it was a BET they'd taken?
We were told that would be investigated but the outcome was never published.
@@tobysherring1369 I remember watching that video and my mouth went so dry watching that time lapse where he cut the channel out of the timber. I read all the comments afterwards and so many people had commented on it, and that the structural integrity of the house was ruined. In one reply, Jordan did say that they had gotten an engineer out to check the house and all was well. Then in a later video on a different job, Lee disappeared for a while, and when he came back he said that he'd been back to that house to do some other work and that the owner had given him a beer! So the relationship with the home owner was still good. I guess it was all OK in the end. But it was tough to watch.
Should you bond the steel if its structual just a thought
Depends if it is extraneous or not
I hope the picture rail is going you have had to work around it waste of time
I like to shuv the dust and wood under the floor for free insulation for the customer, I’m such a caring guy, sick job that is, shame about the steels tho I bet you loved finding them 😂
dificult one nick. Get out on the bike
Data cables how quaint. Jesus nick the chases for those back boxes are an over kill. If I did that as an apprentice I would have my arse kicked to kingdom come and back again, plus I think you got to many chases for the cables, personally, I think you need to rethink how you run cables
Are you wearing lipstick?
Sorry Nick it’s a vacuum cleaner not a Hoover i have to mention this as my surname is Dyson they also make VACUUM CLEANERS AS DO HOOVER 😂😂
Hi Nike,
I hope you're doing well.
I just have a question: could you please provide the reference or model of your new sneaker pants?
Thank you very much!
Best regards,
Sorry Nick it’s a vacuum cleaner not a Hoover i have to mention this as my surname is Dyson they also make VACUUM CLEANERS AS DO HOOVER 😂😂
😂😂