Im no engineer or anything, but imo instead of an internal psu, they shouldve done an external brick, that has optional dual 8 pin pcie connectors/12vhpwr for powering the whole thing off of one ac plug, instead of the dock being a separate purchase
The dock is basically this exactly. The dock is a pcie riser with 600watt PSU. It's quite affordable especially if you take into account the price of a riser and the price of a 600watt PSU.
Yes but that would have been a rather big power supply, as the one included in the dock is 600W, Together with the one for the mini it would be 740..... So nice idea but not really feasible considering not everyone will get the dock.
Agreed. If they would have been used an external power supply I had bought it - but for my use case (using this in a car) its not that practical.I would have to use a dc-dc converter and directly attach it to + and - inside the case by screws.
@@ElevatedSystems sorry for hijcaking this comment. can the mics be disconected. removing the mic board!? this is percet. but would have the mic and speakers taken out. i got a tinfoul hat collection. edit see the speaker cna be disconected! so the mic remains
Ordered the dock and Ultra GTi14. Shipped this morning. Pretty excited to get rid of my full size gaming PC where this will probably provide overall better performance.
It’s a novel idea to put a standard x8/16 pcie slot in a mini pc, at least to me. The theoretical reparability/upgradability of this modular design is a nice thing to see in this form factor too. You hit the nail on the head with your final point in how niche this product will be unfortunately. There’s probably people out there who would have a use-case for this pc, but for me, I’d rather just build my own PC. As far as I’m aware this is the first example of a mini pc with an expandable gpu slot. I hope we see more with a more refined design and implementation, since it is interesting. Excellent video too btw, glad you popped up on my feed.
Full speed PCIE docking station for mini PCs, laptops and mobile handhelds is still missing in the PC market. This is a nice mini PC, however for its "cool" vapor chamber and sufficient PSU I would expect more focus on overclocking by also adding clear CMOS button/jumper. I hope Beelink will seize the opportunity and deliver sophisticated docking stations allowing to connect external dedicated GPUs for stationary performance boost and PCIE acceleration.
I've been looking for a powerful mini PC for my home office, and this seems like the perfect fit. The performance is incredible, and the design is sleek and modern
Minisforum‘s B550 mini pc had PCIE 3.0 slot and also had a dock. I’m currently rocking this set up and it’s pretty good. The difference is that it uses a pc PSU unit for powering the whole system (the mini pc & the external GPU). They have yet to release a follow up model. Beelink’s new attempt looks not bad. But compare to what Minisforum offers, it needs a revision to iron out the hassles. Not to say Beelink’s one is bad, but it just looks half thought after.
I love the b550. It was a very well thought out product . Though I wish the dock was more of an enclosed sort of thing instead it looks a bit Frankenstein ish on the desktop
Now just need an AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 375 version, and move the PCIe slot to the top, so the case fan faces the opposite direction and isn't pitching against the GPU fans when docked, then I'm right there..!
Agreed. A Ryzen version would be preferable because I prefer to NOT give any money to Intel. There's no telling how far they set PC's back by bribing OEMs like Dell to NOT offer AMD products, something that they were found guilty of in multiple jurisdictions around the world. This began in the early 2000s when AMD was actually outperforming Intel, and who knows how things would have been different had this not...perhaps AMD would have found greater success in that time period and would have prevented Intel's defacto monopoly with 4 core stagnation and 4% generational "uplifts" that last all the way until 2017 when Ryzen debuted. Plus objectively speaking, in a duopoly like the x86 CPU industry, the best situation for consumers would be those two companies having an even 50%/50% split in marketshare. This would create the fiercest competition and therefore the lowest prices and most innovation. Intel still holds the majority marketshare in every single x86 segment, so any increase in that marketshare is therefore bad for consumers and any decrease in that marketshare is therefore good for consumers....in this way, Intel fanboys are literally cheering against their own self-interest as a consumer.
Oh my god how can they mess up the power for the system? Obviously it needs to be able to pull 75W + the full load of the system and speccing it for less is just baffling :O
With regards to the unit being warm when powered off, Beelink support via Amazon helped me resolve this by turning off “quick start” in Control Panel\Hardware and Sound\Power Options\System Settings. Not sure how that works with system being down but I assume windows sets/resets some bios value before shutting down. I still have the issue of 3.2W power draw while shut down. If you figure out how to fix it please share.
This is the one I'm going to build and the dock is out now. It has the potentcial to be the fastest mini pc on the market right now, because you can setup raid 0, ram is upgradable to 96gb DDR 5 and it has the faster pcie gpu connect x8 with is much faster than thunderbolt and oculink.
I don't like it... Why they wasted space for speakers? Why they installed PSU inside the case? what if it breaks? where will I find replacement? Will it kill them to install 64gb of RAM or more? why only 32? I think Minisforum AR900i or BD790i is better for someone who want to use eternal GPU
I got mine today to test, I compared it to the atomman g7 ti and I’m seeing a big gap. No idea where it’s coming from but the Multi threaded performance is significantly lower on the Beelink. I might have missed a setting somewhere, I did make sure to set the CPU to performance mode in the BIOS, disable core isolation etc. Have you seen anything like this with your unit?
The G7 TI is a 14900hx and the GTi14 is a 185h. The 14900hx is 24 Cores, 32 Threads. The 185h is 16 Cores, 22 Threads. The 14900hx is 45-157 watts. The 185h is 35-115w. I would expect a noticable performance difference assuming the 14900hx is stable.
@@brianlynn6154at the time when I wrote that comment both models shipped with Intel’s Ultra 9 185H Processor. I double checked my amazing orders and can confirm this to be true.
@@FrankelysHernandezThis is the one I'm going to build and the dock is out now. It has the potentcial to be the fastest mini pc on the market right now, because you can setup raid 0, ram is upgradable to 96gb DDR 5 and it has the faster pcie gpu connect x8 with is much faster than thunderbolt and oculink.
This is the one I'm going to build and the dock is out now. It has the potentcial to be the fastest mini pc on the market right now, because you can setup raid 0, ram is upgradable to 96gb DDR 5 and it has the faster pcie gpu connect x8 with is much faster than thunderbolt and oculink.
@Codeblack_the_1 agreed. I bought it: the 185h version, an extra 1TB Crucial P3, and a 96GB upgrade. It should arrive on Monday. I'll focus on Proxmox, so I don't think I'll get the dock anytime soon. But it's great to know it's a future possibility.
Too bad they didn't use an external brick and drive the PCIE lane to provide 75w of power. The RTX 3050 6GB would have been an easy companion with this setup, with it's max power draw of 70w, and while it doesn't offer amazing performance, it would offer a reasonable upgrade to the internal graphics here, while being a drop in solution.
I've a half height Asrock A380, no 6/8 pin power delivery connector. I'd love to try running it on this. Wouldn't be gaming, mostly using it for 4k upsampling of my old movies.
Is it possible to attach it behind a monitor like the Acemagic or the smaller Geekom? If yes is it possible to do this to which all monitors or only with some? Thank you in advance for your kind answers.
I gave up on these, they just can't compete with a real rig but are getting too close in price to one now ALSO! It will be great though when they can run games at 60 at 4K stable and all of them, but realistically 1080p 75Mhz would probably be great for most users.
Thanks for the nice review! A few days back I got my GTi14 with the Core 9 Ultra. Just a few minutes back I upgraded to 96GB ram and dropped a 4T ssd in (both Crucial). My under monitor server cube is now waiting for the already ordered Beelink EX dock and RTX 3090 ... for ML experiments. ALL AWESOME! Experiments with a Linux boot from USB failed because of the not yet available WIFI driver for this particular WIFI7 module ... sooon hopefully soon. (choosing the boot device with F7 and booting POP OS 22.04 worked though ... just the wifi adapter not yet)
Because of your video I ended up pulling the trigger on buying the GTi14 185H. Thanks for the review and all the details. One question, during the testing did you run Proxmox on it?
Did he run proxmox 😂 But in all seriousness it will run well on that machine but you might be better off with a smaller device like the MS-01 for home lab use (it also has a PCIe 4 x8 slot).
I believe you may be right, David. But after watching some MS-01 reviews, I understand that it would be very tricky to use any GPU on it. It's too narrow. Maybe I'll regret it, but I already pulled the trigger; it should arrive tomorrow. Another reason I chose this one is because of how silent it is since it would sit on my living room.
Yeah you’re right to be cautious. I had to get a custom cooler for the card I put in it. You can use a PCI riser card but then you need to mod the case and that just looks ugly. You’ll love the Beelink, it’s a strong machine.
Thanks for the video, I'm looking into getting a new PC NOT for gaming, but for 3-D on Blender 4.5 that's is my primary focus as a 3D designer, animator/illustrator. I will be running graphic design software packages like Affinitydesigner, Affinityphoto and Davinci Resolve for video editing. I have acquired a Nvidia Quadro RTX 4000 graphics card to plug-in this unit to reap the performance benefits in Blender in 3-D and video production. I would like to see benchmark test on Blender what's the Beelink Multi-Functional EX Docking Station comes out.
If want to add desktop discrete graphics to the PCIe, maybe get the Lenovo Yoga Portal which has a desktop intel cpu and desktop rtx 4070 all in a slightly bigger form factor. Yes, it’s more expensive, but adding an external gpu to this beeline like a 4070 and that dock will end up making it expensive too
@@ElevatedSystems I didnt say the bandwidth. I was referring to Oculink as a viable option to the ability to slap a graphics card onto this little box. An Oculink dock provides a place to mount a power supply and the ability to use any size graphics card, I believe. Plus the heating issues is why you want to separate the power supply and graphics AWAY from the CPU. Its tough enough for these fans in these small minis to keep it cool. Cooling also = noise.
yuuuuup. been saying it for years. These mini pc's make zero sense unless they have pcie access. Now I just have to wait 3-5 more years for other companies to catch up with this feature, this will allow me select a model between others, and prices will be lower due to competition
Really looking into getting this one with the dock, I just want to know if you can just rip out the mic and speakers no need to take up space with that stuff lmao.. I like the fact it said supports up to 94Gigs of RAM Idk why but hey lol.. Might pull the trigger
For me the most important question is whether it is possible to use this Mini PC instead of Mac Studio for color correction in Da Vinci Resolve? Moreover, I have an ATi RTX 6800 16GB card and I can buy a Docking Station. If anyone has experience using a mini PC for color correction, please share.
The PCI-e adapter is a neat concept, but I can't figure out who this feature is aimed at? Surely if you (the consumer) know you want dedicated graphics then you would just buy/build a regular sized PC - having multiple power supplies just seems so janky. I can understand doing this with a laptop as you would atleast have some level of portability still but I doubt people who buy Mini PCs are actually moving them a lot. Great video as always
I have a mini pc I take with me everywhere, its convenient to hook up in hotels, small, light and they sell small displays for quite cheap. The entire setup cost even with the screen and everything was still a load cheaper than an actual laptop with the same specs.
it's more for future expandability IMO. someone may only have enough to get a fully integrated mini pc like this, but in a year or so will want the ability to buy a GPU when they finally have the extra money to waste on an upgrade and do so.
@@MrScottyTay I can see it but it will cost you more in the long run. If you're using a mini pc like this that costs $900, you can build a pretty decent ITX build for that with a GPU so def not worth it. But if you were to buy a cheaper $300 one and try to add a thunderbolt EGPU later I can see it. But again, it will cost you more in the long run because the thunderbolt gpu case will run you the price of an entry level gpu.
@@Watchandlearn91 yeah I'm not saying that this is the right one for my argument, due to its price and whatnot. but that is the reason why people want these mini pcs to have PCIe slots. It also makes it so they're less likely to become ewaste when they're older. a new GPU could breathe new life into such a device.
@@MrScottyTay Yes that's true - instead of just chunking it later on when the CPU isn't good enough you could make it a console replacement or something. For me, these mini PCs make excellent servers and that's what I have two of them for. They also make great retro gaming consoles if you load up Retroarch on them.
I have 2 micro-PCs in my collection already, both powered by N100 chips (before Intel CPU's started self-destructing). That and the built-in PSU would keep me from buying this. Having the extra heat source inside one of these cases just doesn't make sense.. and having a slot for an external GPU makes even less sense, since you'd need an external power supply as well. Might as well just build a normal gaming rig and be done with it.🤪
When it comes to iGPU performance and comparing AMD to Intel, i think its important to memtion that while Intel usually wins in synthetic benchmarks, AMD absolutely dominates in actual FPS in real games. Also that thr A8 has the 8945/8845HS which contains the 780m, the LAST generation of iGPU. The new 880m and 890m are shown to absolutely obliterate meteor lake's best iGPU with 8Xe cores
@@ElevatedSystems servers have a fail rate of 25% right now, also there are number of reports saying laptops are crashing too. "we have several laptops that have failed with the same crashes. It's just slightly more rare then the desktop CPU faults. Update (7/20/2024): The laptops crash in the exact same way as the desktop parts including workloads under Unreal Engine, decompression, ycruncher or similar. Laptop chips we have seen failing include but not limited to 13900HX etc. Intel seems to be down playing the issues here most likely due to the expensive costs related to BGA rework and possible harm to OEMs and Partners. We have seen these crashes on Razer, MSI, Asus Laptops and similar used by developers in our studio to work on the game. The crash reporting data for my game shows a huge amount of laptops that could be having issues."
Thanks for the detailed review! I was keen on this unit because it is one of the few mini pcs with a decent CPU and integrated PSU (not a fan of wall warts or external power bricks), however the off power draw is abit of a concern. Please post an update if you receive any more information from Beelink about this. Additionally, I was wondering if you could test if the DisplayPort supports Multi-Stream Transport (MST)? i.e. daisy chaining two monitors over DisplayPort. Thanks again!
As linhas do gráfico estão manipuladas, quando o dispositivo perde para outros aparelhos, a linha do gráfico não fica proporcional aos números. O visual não reflete os números ... #sacanagem
It s a bit of a failure in my opinion, let s wait and see if the egpu dock will add a "Yes" value to this already expensive Mini PC, I was a bit surprise to see that a 250$ GMKtec M6 could in some Hatdware benchmark and gaming benchmark being only 10% or less behind, So far Oculink Mini PC'soffers the best option for performance upgrade, i do disagree with him when he said that Oculink had visible bottleneck, i ve seen Oculink bench scoring equal performance or even better than some Desktop PC in 3DMark and gaming FPS with high end GPU like the RTX 4080 S,
Generally speaking, what’s the point of making a mini-PC that can expand with an eGPU? You have some big dock or eGPu sitting on your desk. With a small pc that is not portable and runs hot. Get a thin and light Laptop that is portable, which you can then dock at your desk with an eGPU. Otherwise, get a small desktop PC. The target market for mini PC’s are for people who want small and cute and desk space is a premium. And then your supposed to put an eGPU on your desk? Just get a small desktop PC with discrete GPU 😂
beelink is from china, right? i just dont feel good about a device that still warm and 'active" and pulling power from the wall when you have turned it off and have its own in house chinese AI chip running a MICROHONE SETS on it. how that sounds to you? it sounds an alarm for me. also curious how that PCIE slot would work with desktop GPU that requires at least one 5 volt cable from a desktop power supply to work. i mean the idea is sound.i love the idea of a MINI PC with a BUILT IN PCIE x16 SLOT. but IF it comes with an actual PRACTICAL implementation. maybe when the external GPU dock solution has come out later. at the moment, the minisforum MS-A1 implementation is still far better FUNCTIONAL implementation of mini PC plus desktop GPU scheme using minisforum's own EGPU dock the DEG1 with its complementary oculink support to the MS-A1. more over, the MS-A1 lets you use AMD's DESKTOP CPUs. they said it could use ALL 7000 series ryzen desktop CPU, and explicit claim of all 8000G variant ryzen CPU (im curious if the 8000F are also supported), and already said by minisforum to get full BIOS update support for the ryzen 9000 desktop CPUs once those line up is out. for "desktop" CPU and GPU implementation in low voltage MINI PC forms, the minisforum MS-A1 is the better more interesting functional one yet.
Because realistically Intel’s current internal meltdown only affects a tiny fraction of their product stack and impacts an even smaller fraction of their customer base. The customer buying a 14900k is a completely different demographic than the customer buying a mini PC. As far as I can tell crap going on with their desktop team hasn’t infiltrated the mobile, server, or GPU teams.
The complete setup with an external GPU is janky as hell, more expensive than an equivalent mini-ITX build, less expendable, and less powerful. These wannabe towers look fancy on the paper but my god they're so stupid in practice.
A mini with an external GPU or an Itx build with a full metal case are better. I don't like big gay microwares cases; I'm not a fan of glass and gay colors on my desktop. Im waiting for the next video. Beelink send him the PCIE dock.
Why do you quote the pcie specs in transfers rather than what everyone actually knows, it's pcie 4.0 x8 slot. No one gives a shit about the actual numbers. For comparison thunderbolt4 is a slower version of pcie3.0 x4 and oculink is a full speech pcie3.0 x4. (Which is to say, they are both about a quarter the speed of pcie4.0 x16)
Am I crazy to be concerned about a PC from *China* with an *unnecessary* but highly effective *built-in AI microphone* that *inexplicably* draws power when *powered off* ?
So: Intel. Internal power brick. "A.I." powered mic listening. Win 11. The PCI slot does ***NOT*** work for a graphics card... Never fail to fail here. Nice of you to NOT mention the non-functional PCI slot until 15:00 minutes in. Nope.
Im no engineer or anything, but imo instead of an internal psu, they shouldve done an external brick, that has optional dual 8 pin pcie connectors/12vhpwr for powering the whole thing off of one ac plug, instead of the dock being a separate purchase
Great idea ❤
The dock is basically this exactly.
The dock is a pcie riser with 600watt PSU.
It's quite affordable especially if you take into account the price of a riser and the price of a 600watt PSU.
Excellent idea. And I am an engineer.
Yes but that would have been a rather big power supply, as the one included in the dock is 600W, Together with the one for the mini it would be 740..... So nice idea but not really feasible considering not everyone will get the dock.
Agreed. If they would have been used an external power supply I had bought it - but for my use case (using this in a car) its not that practical.I would have to use a dc-dc converter and directly attach it to + and - inside the case by screws.
I'd always rather an external power supply than internal for a box that small.
Ya, until you have 20 mini pcs and laptops and a box with only 19 power bricks 😜
@@ElevatedSystems I wonder whether the full PD 3.1 support will solve this for devices under 240W.
@@ElevatedSystems sorry for hijcaking this comment. can the mics be disconected. removing the mic board!? this is percet. but would have the mic and speakers taken out. i got a tinfoul hat collection.
edit see the speaker cna be disconected! so the mic remains
@@davidnonya7359for real tho... A fucking microphone? Wtf they were thinking
Minisforum also just upped the game by offering a non-soldered, changeable CPU. They have a barebones, CPU-less option at 260 bucks with the MS-A1.
Ordered the dock and Ultra GTi14. Shipped this morning. Pretty excited to get rid of my full size gaming PC where this will probably provide overall better performance.
hows ur experience with the dock GPU
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can you update your user experience here?
It’s a novel idea to put a standard x8/16 pcie slot in a mini pc, at least to me. The theoretical reparability/upgradability of this modular design is a nice thing to see in this form factor too. You hit the nail on the head with your final point in how niche this product will be unfortunately. There’s probably people out there who would have a use-case for this pc, but for me, I’d rather just build my own PC. As far as I’m aware this is the first example of a mini pc with an expandable gpu slot. I hope we see more with a more refined design and implementation, since it is interesting. Excellent video too btw, glad you popped up on my feed.
Cannot wait for a zen 5 amd chip in something like this! Intel sound a bit dodgy lately so I don't think I'd risk using their chips
Full speed PCIE docking station for mini PCs, laptops and mobile handhelds is still missing in the PC market. This is a nice mini PC, however for its "cool" vapor chamber and sufficient PSU I would expect more focus on overclocking by also adding clear CMOS button/jumper. I hope Beelink will seize the opportunity and deliver sophisticated docking stations allowing to connect external dedicated GPUs for stationary performance boost and PCIE acceleration.
I've been looking for a powerful mini PC for my home office, and this seems like the perfect fit. The performance is incredible, and the design is sleek and modern
Thanks for the review! FYI, the CMOS clear button in GTi14 Ultra is located inside of the headphone jack in the back (not the front one).
Minisforum‘s B550 mini pc had PCIE 3.0 slot and also had a dock. I’m currently rocking this set up and it’s pretty good. The difference is that it uses a pc PSU unit for powering the whole system (the mini pc & the external GPU). They have yet to release a follow up model.
Beelink’s new attempt looks not bad. But compare to what Minisforum offers, it needs a revision to iron out the hassles.
Not to say Beelink’s one is bad, but it just looks half thought after.
I love the b550. It was a very well thought out product . Though I wish the dock was more of an enclosed sort of thing instead it looks a bit Frankenstein ish on the desktop
Now just need an AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 375 version, and move the PCIe slot to the top, so the case fan faces the opposite direction and isn't pitching against the GPU fans when docked, then I'm right there..!
Agreed. A Ryzen version would be preferable because I prefer to NOT give any money to Intel.
There's no telling how far they set PC's back by bribing OEMs like Dell to NOT offer AMD products, something that they were found guilty of in multiple jurisdictions around the world. This began in the early 2000s when AMD was actually outperforming Intel, and who knows how things would have been different had this not...perhaps AMD would have found greater success in that time period and would have prevented Intel's defacto monopoly with 4 core stagnation and 4% generational "uplifts" that last all the way until 2017 when Ryzen debuted.
Plus objectively speaking, in a duopoly like the x86 CPU industry, the best situation for consumers would be those two companies having an even 50%/50% split in marketshare. This would create the fiercest competition and therefore the lowest prices and most innovation.
Intel still holds the majority marketshare in every single x86 segment, so any increase in that marketshare is therefore bad for consumers and any decrease in that marketshare is therefore good for consumers....in this way, Intel fanboys are literally cheering against their own self-interest as a consumer.
I don’t think Ryzen mobile APUs have enough PCIe lanes onboard for this implementation.
@@ElevatedSystems check out Minisforum's latest releases.
Seems like a great option! Thanks for the video!
I really like that it has both USB-C and Thunderbolt, seems like a rarity from what I've seen.
Do they have any other cheaper model which one has this pcie slot ?
Oh my god how can they mess up the power for the system? Obviously it needs to be able to pull 75W + the full load of the system and speccing it for less is just baffling :O
With regards to the unit being warm when powered off, Beelink support via Amazon helped me resolve this by turning off “quick start”
in Control Panel\Hardware and Sound\Power Options\System Settings. Not sure how that works with system being down but I assume windows sets/resets some bios value before shutting down. I still have the issue of 3.2W power draw while shut down. If you figure out how to fix it please share.
very niche corner. if a gamer is going for small, it's better to get a sff desktop
Agreed
I wouldnt. For same price you can get a new release Minisforum with Oculink with a great Ryzen chip and their Oculink dock. 1K is a lot of money.
Yeah. Oculink is a game changer. You can get ATX tower desktop performance from a mini PC for just 300-400 dollars extra.
@@Victor-rn7jz but is it enough for vr gaming?
@@chromaticvisuelle Is this a trick question? Of course you can VR game through Oculink.
@@Victor-rn7jz No it's not. I never tried Oculink. Don't you loose significant performance like with a eGpu via thunderbolt?
This is the one I'm going to build and the dock is out now. It has the potentcial to be the fastest mini pc on the market right now, because you can setup raid 0, ram is upgradable to 96gb DDR 5 and it has the faster pcie gpu connect x8 with is much faster than thunderbolt and oculink.
The MS-01 has a full-size x16 (with 8 4.0 lanes).
Will AMD version with EGPU?
I don't like it...
Why they wasted space for speakers?
Why they installed PSU inside the case? what if it breaks? where will I find replacement?
Will it kill them to install 64gb of RAM or more? why only 32?
I think Minisforum AR900i or BD790i is better for someone who want to use eternal GPU
I agree with all your points except the RAM one; why do you need 64GB in a mini PC?
@@Sithhy Having more RAM will not hurt 🤷♂
@@Sithhy- Unoptimized software, games, and lately firmware.
I got mine today to test, I compared it to the atomman g7 ti and I’m seeing a big gap. No idea where it’s coming from but the Multi threaded performance is significantly lower on the Beelink.
I might have missed a setting somewhere, I did make sure to set the CPU to performance mode in the BIOS, disable core isolation etc.
Have you seen anything like this with your unit?
The G7 TI is a 14900hx and the GTi14 is a 185h. The 14900hx is 24 Cores, 32 Threads.
The 185h is 16 Cores, 22 Threads.
The 14900hx is 45-157 watts.
The 185h is 35-115w.
I would expect a noticable performance difference assuming the 14900hx is stable.
@@brianlynn6154at the time when I wrote that comment both models shipped with Intel’s Ultra 9 185H Processor. I double checked my amazing orders and can confirm this to be true.
Thanks Seth! waiting to see in next movie! and next review!
I was leaning towards Miniforums... Beelink just changed my mind.
miniforums is cheaper bro. and has same potencial.
@@FrankelysHernandezThis is the one I'm going to build and the dock is out now. It has the potentcial to be the fastest mini pc on the market right now, because you can setup raid 0, ram is upgradable to 96gb DDR 5 and it has the faster pcie gpu connect x8 with is much faster than thunderbolt and oculink.
This is the one I'm going to build and the dock is out now. It has the potentcial to be the fastest mini pc on the market right now, because you can setup raid 0, ram is upgradable to 96gb DDR 5 and it has the faster pcie gpu connect x8 with is much faster than thunderbolt and oculink.
@Codeblack_the_1 agreed. I bought it: the 185h version, an extra 1TB Crucial P3, and a 96GB upgrade. It should arrive on Monday. I'll focus on Proxmox, so I don't think I'll get the dock anytime soon. But it's great to know it's a future possibility.
By the way, the 96 GB ram on Amazon Canada is almost at its lowest price ever today, according to camelcamelcamel.
Too bad they didn't use an external brick and drive the PCIE lane to provide 75w of power. The RTX 3050 6GB would have been an easy companion with this setup, with it's max power draw of 70w, and while it doesn't offer amazing performance, it would offer a reasonable upgrade to the internal graphics here, while being a drop in solution.
I've a half height Asrock A380, no 6/8 pin power delivery connector.
I'd love to try running it on this.
Wouldn't be gaming, mostly using it for 4k upsampling of my old movies.
could this pci-e slot be used for my sound blaster audigy 5/rx soundcard?
Dock looks very interesting to me, will investigate.
Is there an AMD version of this specific model?
I don’t think Ryzen mobile APUs have enough PCIe lanes for this implementation.
What brand is the monitor on 1:06?
Is it possible to attach it behind a monitor like the Acemagic or the smaller Geekom?
If yes is it possible to do this to which all monitors or only with some?
Thank you in advance for your kind answers.
I'd just build an ITX format SFF PC over this.
I gave up on these, they just can't compete with a real rig but are getting too close in price to one now ALSO!
It will be great though when they can run games at 60 at 4K stable and all of them, but realistically 1080p 75Mhz would probably be great for most users.
Thanks for the nice review! A few days back I got my GTi14 with the Core 9 Ultra. Just a few minutes back I upgraded to 96GB ram and dropped a 4T ssd in (both Crucial). My under monitor server cube is now waiting for the already ordered Beelink EX dock and RTX 3090 ... for ML experiments. ALL AWESOME! Experiments with a Linux boot from USB failed because of the not yet available WIFI driver for this particular WIFI7 module ... sooon hopefully soon. (choosing the boot device with F7 and booting POP OS 22.04 worked though ... just the wifi adapter not yet)
the minisform elitemini b550 had a externam gpu port
What if the Mini PC is supplied by a 350Watt power supply, would that work to connect the gpu directly into the mini PC?
Because of your video I ended up pulling the trigger on buying the GTi14 185H. Thanks for the review and all the details. One question, during the testing did you run Proxmox on it?
Did he run proxmox 😂
But in all seriousness it will run well on that machine but you might be better off with a smaller device like the MS-01 for home lab use (it also has a PCIe 4 x8 slot).
I believe you may be right, David. But after watching some MS-01 reviews, I understand that it would be very tricky to use any GPU on it. It's too narrow. Maybe I'll regret it, but I already pulled the trigger; it should arrive tomorrow. Another reason I chose this one is because of how silent it is since it would sit on my living room.
Yeah you’re right to be cautious. I had to get a custom cooler for the card I put in it. You can use a PCI riser card but then you need to mod the case and that just looks ugly.
You’ll love the Beelink, it’s a strong machine.
Which ethernet controller it uses?
This type of form facter with pci slot, but with intel i5 gen 7 and cheaper. Does it exist?
I wonder if you still need an external power supply for a low profile intel GPU like the A380 or will the built in power supply work
The math don’t math. The PC pulled a max of 90 watts + 75 watts for a graphics card equals 165 watts. It only has a 145W power supply.
Thanks for the video, I'm looking into getting a new PC NOT for gaming, but for 3-D on Blender 4.5 that's is my primary focus as a 3D designer, animator/illustrator. I will be running graphic design software packages like Affinitydesigner, Affinityphoto and Davinci Resolve for video editing. I have acquired a Nvidia Quadro RTX 4000 graphics card to plug-in this unit to reap the performance benefits in Blender in 3-D and video production. I would like to see benchmark test on Blender what's the Beelink Multi-Functional EX Docking Station comes out.
At this price and performance point wouldn't be expected a HDMI 2.1?
If want to add desktop discrete graphics to the PCIe, maybe get the Lenovo Yoga Portal which has a desktop intel cpu and desktop rtx 4070 all in a slightly bigger form factor. Yes, it’s more expensive, but adding an external gpu to this beeline like a 4070 and that dock will end up making it expensive too
I asked Beelink customer support if this product will be in stock in my area for me to purchase & was told it will not be sold in my region 😵💫
yes. I am looking for just that.
Nice machine and review
I still prefer a Desktop Gaming PC. Thanks for the review
I think you under-estimate Oculink. Twice as fast as Thunderbolt, is it not?
I didn’t “estimate” anything. I stated the exact bandwidths of each.
@@ElevatedSystems I didnt say the bandwidth. I was referring to Oculink as a viable option to the ability to slap a graphics card onto this little box. An Oculink dock provides a place to mount a power supply and the ability to use any size graphics card, I believe. Plus the heating issues is why you want to separate the power supply and graphics AWAY from the CPU. Its tough enough for these fans in these small minis to keep it cool. Cooling also = noise.
Too bad it's an Intel CPU
yuuuuup. been saying it for years. These mini pc's make zero sense unless they have pcie access. Now I just have to wait 3-5 more years for other companies to catch up with this feature, this will allow me select a model between others, and prices will be lower due to competition
ok im sold when they do a ryzen 8000 or 9000
I don’t think Ryzen mobile APUs have enough PCIe lanes for this implementation.
in short yes. I receiving today the Intel Ultra 9 185H processor 🙃
Really looking into getting this one with the dock, I just want to know if you can just rip out the mic and speakers no need to take up space with that stuff lmao..
I like the fact it said supports up to 94Gigs of RAM Idk why but hey lol.. Might pull the trigger
The EX Docking Station is now available for purchase in the States! Waiting on a review
I’m still waiting on the dock. My understanding is they haven’t shipped any yet.
@@ElevatedSystemsmine shipped yesterday (to Germany)
@@vkrg3126 they just shipped one out to me today.
Dude sounds like christopher walken. We need more Cow Bell!
For me the most important question is whether it is possible to use this Mini PC instead of Mac Studio for color correction in Da Vinci Resolve? Moreover, I have an ATi RTX 6800 16GB card and I can buy a Docking Station. If anyone has experience using a mini PC for color correction, please share.
Beelink. I'm waiting for the same construction with ryzen 370HX
The PCI-e adapter is a neat concept, but I can't figure out who this feature is aimed at? Surely if you (the consumer) know you want dedicated graphics then you would just buy/build a regular sized PC - having multiple power supplies just seems so janky. I can understand doing this with a laptop as you would atleast have some level of portability still but I doubt people who buy Mini PCs are actually moving them a lot. Great video as always
I have a mini pc I take with me everywhere, its convenient to hook up in hotels, small, light and they sell small displays for quite cheap. The entire setup cost even with the screen and everything was still a load cheaper than an actual laptop with the same specs.
Mini pcs are great for travel.
I’ve never understood adding an external GPU to a mini pc. May as well save some money and get a more powerful mini itx build.
it's more for future expandability IMO. someone may only have enough to get a fully integrated mini pc like this, but in a year or so will want the ability to buy a GPU when they finally have the extra money to waste on an upgrade and do so.
@@MrScottyTay I can see it but it will cost you more in the long run. If you're using a mini pc like this that costs $900, you can build a pretty decent ITX build for that with a GPU so def not worth it. But if you were to buy a cheaper $300 one and try to add a thunderbolt EGPU later I can see it. But again, it will cost you more in the long run because the thunderbolt gpu case will run you the price of an entry level gpu.
@@Watchandlearn91 yeah I'm not saying that this is the right one for my argument, due to its price and whatnot. but that is the reason why people want these mini pcs to have PCIe slots.
It also makes it so they're less likely to become ewaste when they're older. a new GPU could breathe new life into such a device.
@@MrScottyTay Yes that's true - instead of just chunking it later on when the CPU isn't good enough you could make it a console replacement or something. For me, these mini PCs make excellent servers and that's what I have two of them for. They also make great retro gaming consoles if you load up Retroarch on them.
Price is my only issue seems like it checks all the box’s just the price
It's nearly 1,500USD where I live ...
I have 2 micro-PCs in my collection already, both powered by N100 chips (before Intel CPU's started self-destructing). That and the built-in PSU would keep me from buying this. Having the extra heat source inside one of these cases just doesn't make sense.. and having a slot for an external GPU makes even less sense, since you'd need an external power supply as well. Might as well just build a normal gaming rig and be done with it.🤪
When it comes to iGPU performance and comparing AMD to Intel, i think its important to memtion that while Intel usually wins in synthetic benchmarks, AMD absolutely dominates in actual FPS in real games.
Also that thr A8 has the 8945/8845HS which contains the 780m, the LAST generation of iGPU. The new 880m and 890m are shown to absolutely obliterate meteor lake's best iGPU with 8Xe cores
I tested actual games and I’m test a new Ryzen 9 AI based Mini PC as soon as someone makes one.
Building something with an intel chip is a big no no nowadays.
The bullshit from the desktop team hasn’t seemed to infiltrate the mobile, server or GPU teams thus far.
@@ElevatedSystems yes it has and Intel is trying to make out it isn’t the same problems when it is do some some research ffs
@@ElevatedSystems Alderson Games claims Intel sells defective 13th/14th gen processors with 100% failure rate in PCs & now laptops
@@ElevatedSystems servers have a fail rate of 25% right now, also there are number of reports saying laptops are crashing too.
"we have several laptops that have failed with the same crashes. It's just slightly more rare then the desktop CPU faults.
Update (7/20/2024): The laptops crash in the exact same way as the desktop parts including workloads under Unreal Engine, decompression, ycruncher or similar. Laptop chips we have seen failing include but not limited to 13900HX etc.
Intel seems to be down playing the issues here most likely due to the expensive costs related to BGA rework and possible harm to OEMs and Partners.
We have seen these crashes on Razer, MSI, Asus Laptops and similar used by developers in our studio to work on the game.
The crash reporting data for my game shows a huge amount of laptops that could be having issues."
Why did they decide to go with HDMI 2.0 instead of HDMI 2.1,even there other Mini PC have HDMI 2.1,I guess they want us to use Display Port instead
When you add external accessories, it start to get bulky and expensive, and you think: might as well get a normal PC then!
Is that product from China?
This one or the new minisforum um890 that's the question
They need to fix their support, that is the weakness of all of these companies.
i want ryzen version.. better....
Thanks for the detailed review! I was keen on this unit because it is one of the few mini pcs with a decent CPU and integrated PSU (not a fan of wall warts or external power bricks), however the off power draw is abit of a concern. Please post an update if you receive any more information from Beelink about this. Additionally, I was wondering if you could test if the DisplayPort supports Multi-Stream Transport (MST)? i.e. daisy chaining two monitors over DisplayPort.
Thanks again!
Aww man, x8 instead of x16? I'm guessing that this is a laptop (and laptop-adjacent) issue, none of the designs expose a x16 lane PCIe
The number of PCIe lanes in mobile APUs is limited.
Zen 5 mobile only has 16 compared to 24 for desktop.
@@thumpthumptv1651 and desktop has additional thru the chipset.
As linhas do gráfico estão manipuladas, quando o dispositivo perde para outros aparelhos, a linha do gráfico não fica proporcional aos números. O visual não reflete os números ... #sacanagem
It draws power when shut down because of the windows 11 fast boot settings. You can disable it to fix it.
I did, it stopped getting warm but it still draws about 3.3 watts.
It s a bit of a failure in my opinion, let s wait and see if the egpu dock will add a "Yes" value to this already expensive Mini PC,
I was a bit surprise to see that a 250$ GMKtec M6 could in some Hatdware benchmark and gaming benchmark being only 10% or less behind, So far Oculink Mini PC'soffers the best option for performance upgrade, i do disagree with him when he said that Oculink had visible bottleneck, i ve seen Oculink bench scoring equal performance or even better than some Desktop PC in 3DMark and gaming FPS with high end GPU like the RTX 4080 S,
Generally speaking, what’s the point of making a mini-PC that can expand with an eGPU? You have some big dock or eGPu sitting on your desk. With a small pc that is not portable and runs hot. Get a thin and light Laptop that is portable, which you can then dock at your desk with an eGPU. Otherwise, get a small desktop PC. The target market for mini PC’s are for people who want small and cute and desk space is a premium. And then your supposed to put an eGPU on your desk? Just get a small desktop PC with discrete GPU 😂
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The way you slammed that card in makes me sad :(
Dont care about gaming, but I'd like a GPU for AI inference
Beelink have shutdown power supply after 2 years of use. Two power supply option is nedded to be attractive. ;)
beelink is from china, right? i just dont feel good about a device that still warm and 'active" and pulling power from the wall when you have turned it off and have its own in house chinese AI chip running a MICROHONE SETS on it. how that sounds to you? it sounds an alarm for me.
also curious how that PCIE slot would work with desktop GPU that requires at least one 5 volt cable from a desktop power supply to work.
i mean the idea is sound.i love the idea of a MINI PC with a BUILT IN PCIE x16 SLOT. but IF it comes with an actual PRACTICAL implementation. maybe when the external GPU dock solution has come out later.
at the moment, the minisforum MS-A1 implementation is still far better FUNCTIONAL implementation of mini PC plus desktop GPU scheme using minisforum's own EGPU dock the DEG1 with its complementary oculink support to the MS-A1.
more over, the MS-A1 lets you use AMD's DESKTOP CPUs. they said it could use ALL 7000 series ryzen desktop CPU, and explicit claim of all 8000G variant ryzen CPU (im curious if the 8000F are also supported), and already said by minisforum to get full BIOS update support for the ryzen 9000 desktop CPUs once those line up is out.
for "desktop" CPU and GPU implementation in low voltage MINI PC forms, the minisforum MS-A1 is the better more interesting functional one yet.
Oh that over used term "Game Changer"!
It was a play on words. Adding a DGPU = literal game changer.
@@ElevatedSystems I must remember that click bait titles are a play on words, lol
@@djashjones Welcome to UA-cam, you must be new here.
@@ElevatedSystems something like that
SPOILER - he cant review the GPU because the pc cant power it. It needs a docking station that has yet to be released.
RIP Geekom 🤣
$850?? Wow, definitely not a budget PC...
thumbnail is clickbait
Beelink SER9 AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 - it's beter
Giveaway mini pcs
Hi, could you please check your email from DXRacer ?
Why intel... 😢
Because realistically Intel’s current internal meltdown only affects a tiny fraction of their product stack and impacts an even smaller fraction of their customer base. The customer buying a 14900k is a completely different demographic than the customer buying a mini PC. As far as I can tell crap going on with their desktop team hasn’t infiltrated the mobile, server, or GPU teams.
@@ElevatedSystems no it doesn’t laptops are failing as well
@@ElevatedSystems and they are tying to make out it isn’t the same thing
@@ElevatedSystems Alderson Games claims Intel sells defective 13th/14th gen processors with 100% failure rate in PCs & now laptops
Sounds like a made up statistic
The complete setup with an external GPU is janky as hell, more expensive than an equivalent mini-ITX build, less expendable, and less powerful. These wannabe towers look fancy on the paper but my god they're so stupid in practice.
I agree, waste of tme and money for most people.
Beelink should create mini pc with extra space for SFF GPU rather than put in outside
A mini with an external GPU or an Itx build with a full metal case are better. I don't like big gay microwares cases; I'm not a fan of glass and gay colors on my desktop.
Im waiting for the next video. Beelink send him the PCIE dock.
Why do you quote the pcie specs in transfers rather than what everyone actually knows, it's pcie 4.0 x8 slot.
No one gives a shit about the actual numbers.
For comparison thunderbolt4 is a slower version of pcie3.0 x4 and oculink is a full speech pcie3.0 x4.
(Which is to say, they are both about a quarter the speed of pcie4.0 x16)
Am I crazy to be concerned about a PC from *China* with an *unnecessary* but highly effective *built-in AI microphone* that *inexplicably* draws power when *powered off* ?
I don't know. Did you type this comment on a mobile tracking and surveillance device you carry in your pocket 24/7, which was built in China?
@@ElevatedSystems Point taken. A microphone is necessary for a phone however, and my phone is not inexplicably drawing power when turned off.
$1,000 plus! no thank you
Why do u need this when u can just buy normal pc
So: Intel. Internal power brick. "A.I." powered mic listening. Win 11. The PCI slot does ***NOT*** work for a graphics card...
Never fail to fail here. Nice of you to NOT mention the non-functional PCI slot until 15:00 minutes in.
Nope.
this chinese crap is $1000, just build a real pc at this point.
We don't want Intel
MADE IN CHINA