Lenovo has a specific top cover if you order the device with GPU, the that top cover have ventilation hole to the fan of the GPU, you can buy that as the parts number is 02CW661 / 02CW662.
Second that! I have a Lenovo ThinkStation P340 tiny with a GPU added the same way, it works perfectly as my vmware esxi host and I can still pass the GPU through to my Linux host
@@technodrone313 as a linux user i agree. But this is only because people dont trust linux. If people started believing in desktop linux being a thing, anticheats would work much better, many bugs would get fixed because more people would develop for it. and most importantly more software would be ported like it is for mac As of right now, desktop linux is a mess if you have old hardware + nvidia + using kde plasma which is used on steamdeck.
Dude, I literally was going to ask you to start testing Warframe in your videos for iGPU’s and cards and here it is. Please keep this game in your rotation. Need to build a small PC for Warframe.
i Personaly use these as a router .... a 256 gig Mvme with 16 gig of ram and a dual 10 gig Network card .... Nothing beats it and I mean Nothing its a absolute beast running Openwrt.
What's the benefit of running your own router? I have a mesh network set up for mine, and I host a VPN so I can get access to my jellyfin anywhere without it being directly exposed to the internet. Would I be able to do this same or more with running my own hardware? Mesh network isn't a deal breaker, honestly
Me too, I run one with vmware, have a second Intel nic and run pfsense firewall/router. But I find this interesting, I love my steam deck lcd and can't believe how good gaming is becoming on Linux thanks to valve. Just needs the steamOS to go official so I can run it on my gaming pc
I kind of want to print a double height cover to see what cheap double slot cards could be used. Maybe a few 2.5 bays over the cpu. Still be small but the gained robustness could be nice. Edit I didn't realize the 6400 was the best readily available amd card that's PCI powered. Maybe extra space for a sff power supply but now we're getting complicated haha
This is exactly the video i was looking for. I've been wanting to replace my daily driver laptop with something a little more powerful yet still compact for gaming and/or normal stuff, and I'd been looking into micro/small form factor stuff. So, thank you for a walk through of some decent budget parts.😊 I would like a walkthrough of maybe a small form factor budget build with parts you prefer?
It's easier to purchase an M920Q with the ventilated top cover. Why waste money drilling into your top case (and making it look worse) when Lenovo already has a high quality solution?
The Drop in Streetfighter 6 are normal when connected to a 60hz Display and turning Vsync on. Ive noticed it myself, that Graficdrivers (Nvidia and AMD) like to set the Refreshrate from 60 to 59,97hz from time to time, this makes you get 59-61 fps. Since 59,97fps isnt 60 if you dont round it up (Afterburner and stuff dont) it shows you 59fps. Sometimes you have the 59,97 overlapping like it generates One frame at 0,0001sec than 59,97 + 1 at 0,9875sec wich starts the 3rd Cycle wich makes you generate a 61th Frame in that Sec.
I've been meaning to build something like this. A list of all thinkcentre sff with this pcie would be nice but this one should still be largely available
To fix the Spiderman issue I found out that you need to always have the Anisotropic Filtering set to 2x or higher on a Linux machine, never using the trilinear setting. I found this out when playing on a 3050 Ti laptop running Manjaro Linux. You will need to tweak that one setting if you want to use the low or very low presets but you will be good to go after that!
Would you not be able to go into the properties of a game within the SteamOS menu and force a resolution? Also, it's shows how lucky we are in 2024 to discuss the concept of Cyberpunk "'only" getting an average of 56fps! 😂
I used to love big PC cases, but now I just want pocket sized PCs. The smaller and more functional, the better! The only condition is that they need to be ready for an eGPU.
Can you make a video about a Single Slot NVIDIA RTX A4000 from Amazon? Well this Low Profile Graphics Card works with Minisforum MS-01 without an external power supply?
I really hope that AMD makes a good successor to the RX6400. At least PCIe 4.0 x8, 8GB VRAM, and performance that at least can do 1080p high with little complaint. Low profile, single slot, no extra power would be great too. A man can dream...
Valve needs to make sure Steam Deck 2 has a strong multi-core CPU and supports EGPU (either by USB4.0 or better), and has 2 USB slots, with one at the bottom for quick docking. Then they could release a dock that contains an eGPU, an "EGPU Dock", so that the Deck 2 excels at: 1. being a handheld, 2. being a powerful docked TV console and 3. letting the Steam Deck run Steam VR games. They would need to partner with AMD to subsidise the cost of the GPU and bulk order the GPUs and optimise them only for gaming to lower costs, but it's definitely feasible for a company like Valve. It has the potential to sell much better than a standalone console, because there's already an existing market that would potentially buy it, that being the Steam Deck 2 audience, but they could also let it be compatible with other handheld PC's as well, further driving sales of it. Assuming Valve prices the mid storage option of the Deck 2 similarly, it will be around $550 for the Deck 2 and somewhere in the range of $450 or lower for the EGPU Dock, which would have around RX 7800XT level performance.
I put one of these together with an nvidia t600. It works really well, but I've noticed that the CPU fan speed increases drastically when the GPU reaches 72 degrees. This is unusual behavior for a PC. It seems like the CPU fan speed is somehow linked to the GPU temperature. I'm running with the top cover off and the CPU temperature is quite low (around 55-60 degrees while gaming), but when the GPU hits 72 degrees the CPU fan spins up and bring the CPU down to about 48 degrees. When the CPU hits 72 degrees the fans speed up as expected. I have put the GPU fan at a fixed low speed with afterburner for testing so I know for sure the fan speed increase that I'm hearing is in fact the CPU. Have you noticed the CPU fan in your system ramping up when the GPU gets over 72 degrees? If so were you able to fix it?
@fishthefirst gotcha, my daily drive is powerful enough to play on high but I do love that my steam deck can play it on low settings at 30 fps 😂 which I'm new to PCs but I had a lot of fun building my PC and I actually used one of my favorite UA-camrs "oztalkshw" $500 builds. I switch to PC when the ps5 came out and I couldn't get one because of the scalpers re selling them for double the price SMH. I really love seeing what people can do with low low end PC builds.
Can you do a video talking about the new snapdragon elite chips. Apparently there are more powerful than the Rog ally and that they can play triple a games
@@notjustforhackers4252 He just gave us a reason, the a2000 is more powerful, and it also ships with excellent nvenc video encoding capabilities, and I'm using it with the open kernel modules on one of my small form factor Linux gaming rigs. What I need from AMD is more powerful cards (on the level of the a2000/4000) while still being single-slot and low profile and low powered (75W powered via the mb). And it has to be affordable too.
@@asunavk69 True, both Bazzite and ChimeraOS don't work well with Nvidia right now, but that might change now that Nvidia is putting in the effort with gamescope, open kernel module drivers etc. For now you can use Batocera Linux V40, which ships with Steam support and it works in big picture on Nvidia too (the Batocera rig in our living room is used for stuff like Kodi, Steam, Retro etc. and we're using the Nvidia A2000 with a custom single slot low profile cooler in an Optiplex 3040 SFF rig and it runs Steam's big picture fine albeit a bit sluggish at times). Batocera will be shipping the new open kernel modules for Nvidia starting with V41.
What's up with the frame times? Fps is good and all but frame times is going to feel noticeable on more latency-sensitive games (e.g., missed clicks and delayed actions)
Hello. I installed bazsite, but I don't understand how to launch Decky Loader. I use an Xbox controller. and I don't understand how to run it. please help
But usually, the 780m will be limited by the problems of memory frequency and bandwidth and thus difficult to reach the theoretical performance. In actual games, the RX6400 is about 10 percent stronger than the 780m.
HEY ETAPRIME small pc enough,,, WE WANT YOU 64 CORE THREADRIPPER OR EPYC SYSTEM BUILD (we dont have any video AMD EPYC pc buld, it can explode youtube view)use it for your primier render pc and create 4-5 video from buy steps. just dont use trash,cheap ram on amd , only gskill 4channel special amd edition
Lenovo has a specific top cover if you order the device with GPU, the that top cover have ventilation hole to the fan of the GPU, you can buy that as the parts number is 02CW661 / 02CW662.
Second that! I have a Lenovo ThinkStation P340 tiny with a GPU added the same way, it works perfectly as my vmware esxi host and I can still pass the GPU through to my Linux host
Thanks for this!
Good to know!
any ideas on where I can get one for REALLY cheap?
But his hole doesn't match the fan of the RX6400. So we still need to drill a more suitable opening manually or 3D print one.
The Lenovo Tiny PCs (and Dell + HP versions) are so awesome
Perfect as a home server, NAS, router, evidently even gaming machine.
I love those gaming Linux builds.
There is so much good hardware out there just needing more love.
linux is janky though. good luck trying to do anything not on steam.
@@technodrone313 Besides game pass everything works I use bazzite
@@technodrone313 as a linux user i agree. But this is only because people dont trust linux. If people started believing in desktop linux being a thing, anticheats would work much better, many bugs would get fixed because more people would develop for it. and most importantly more software would be ported like it is for mac
As of right now, desktop linux is a mess if you have old hardware + nvidia + using kde plasma which is used on steamdeck.
@@technodrone313True, it can be a challenge although I've also been able to add some non-Steam windows games and then run them via Proton.
I can't find these PCs for less than 300$. It's going to take a lot of love to justify getting one of these and mod it
Always blows my mind the mount of videos this guy puts out everyday. Good job!
A matrix of smaller and equally spaced holes might also work. You might be able to attach a mesh below them on the case interior.
I did exactly this with my old M720Q and Nvidia T1000
I love these little Lenovo Mini PCs, you can't have enough! They do a way better job in the home lab, than any Raspberry Pi, and now gaming too? Neat!
Dude, I literally was going to ask you to start testing Warframe in your videos for iGPU’s and cards and here it is. Please keep this game in your rotation. Need to build a small PC for Warframe.
thanks for doing my request man, been waiting for you to do this. you're awesome.
Brother you keep coming with these bangers! I'm gonna be broke as hell this holiday!! You're a legend
i Personaly use these as a router .... a 256 gig Mvme with 16 gig of ram and a dual 10 gig Network card .... Nothing beats it and I mean Nothing its a absolute beast running Openwrt.
What's the benefit of running your own router? I have a mesh network set up for mine, and I host a VPN so I can get access to my jellyfin anywhere without it being directly exposed to the internet. Would I be able to do this same or more with running my own hardware? Mesh network isn't a deal breaker, honestly
Me too, I run one with vmware, have a second Intel nic and run pfsense firewall/router.
But I find this interesting, I love my steam deck lcd and can't believe how good gaming is becoming on Linux thanks to valve. Just needs the steamOS to go official so I can run it on my gaming pc
I kind of want to print a double height cover to see what cheap double slot cards could be used. Maybe a few 2.5 bays over the cpu. Still be small but the gained robustness could be nice.
Edit I didn't realize the 6400 was the best readily available amd card that's PCI powered. Maybe extra space for a sff power supply but now we're getting complicated haha
Nice! A Linux box. I love these little thin clients with PCIE slots.
Thanks. Love these videos. I'm going to start building one soon. I'll probably go Batocera with Steam inside it.
Cool little set up but here in Ireland to build this even with buying parts from ebay costs 350 euro at least
Always the double videos on windows + steamos for the same device
i have the same setup!
i think that keeping the same case without having to create one with a 3D printer, maintains the essence
The p330/m920x have a perforated top cover no need to drill
Yup ! Correct
SteamOS plays better than Windows.....
This is exactly the video i was looking for. I've been wanting to replace my daily driver laptop with something a little more powerful yet still compact for gaming and/or normal stuff, and I'd been looking into micro/small form factor stuff. So, thank you for a walk through of some decent budget parts.😊 I would like a walkthrough of maybe a small form factor budget build with parts you prefer?
It's easier to purchase an M920Q with the ventilated top cover. Why waste money drilling into your top case (and making it look worse) when Lenovo already has a high quality solution?
Warframe hell yeah! Always great to see Warframe in these tests. I didn't even know it ran on Steam OS!
Smaller desktops are the future
The Drop in Streetfighter 6 are normal when connected to a 60hz Display and turning Vsync on.
Ive noticed it myself, that Graficdrivers (Nvidia and AMD) like to set the Refreshrate from 60 to 59,97hz from time to time, this makes you get 59-61 fps.
Since 59,97fps isnt 60 if you dont round it up (Afterburner and stuff dont) it shows you 59fps.
Sometimes you have the 59,97 overlapping like it generates One frame at 0,0001sec than 59,97 + 1 at 0,9875sec wich starts the 3rd Cycle wich makes you generate a 61th Frame in that Sec.
There are magnetic fan cover 4x4.
I've been meaning to build something like this. A list of all thinkcentre sff with this pcie would be nice but this one should still be largely available
4x PCIE 4.0 on that card, and i7 8700T has only PCIE3. I dunno dude.
Eggs-cellent setup
I have this with original GPU cover and with i7-9700T and it is absolutely great with RX6400
love the setup with a more powerful gpu.
Man I love your channel, everyday theres a new interesting video to watch, keep it up you are doing great.
To fix the Spiderman issue I found out that you need to always have the Anisotropic Filtering set to 2x or higher on a Linux machine, never using the trilinear setting. I found this out when playing on a 3050 Ti laptop running Manjaro Linux.
You will need to tweak that one setting if you want to use the low or very low presets but you will be good to go after that!
Really simple, but you have to buy step bit and be very very careful. Open case
Would you not be able to go into the properties of a game within the SteamOS menu and force a resolution?
Also, it's shows how lucky we are in 2024 to discuss the concept of Cyberpunk "'only" getting an average of 56fps! 😂
pls include DotA2 on your benchmark tests. theres really not enough benchmark about it. and i really want to see how well it plays on max settings.
I used to love big PC cases, but now I just want pocket sized PCs. The smaller and more functional, the better! The only condition is that they need to be ready for an eGPU.
Can you make a video about a Single Slot NVIDIA RTX A4000 from Amazon? Well this Low Profile Graphics Card works with Minisforum MS-01 without an external power supply?
4:35 spending that time just to watch the benchmark scene again and again and again and again is dedication
Bazzite does seem intriguing for a mini PC. Does the OS support sleep/resume as well? Possible to wake from a controller?
I really hope that AMD makes a good successor to the RX6400. At least PCIe 4.0 x8, 8GB VRAM, and performance that at least can do 1080p high with little complaint. Low profile, single slot, no extra power would be great too.
A man can dream...
Valve needs to make sure Steam Deck 2 has a strong multi-core CPU and supports EGPU (either by USB4.0 or better), and has 2 USB slots, with one at the bottom for quick docking.
Then they could release a dock that contains an eGPU, an "EGPU Dock", so that the Deck 2 excels at: 1. being a handheld, 2. being a powerful docked TV console and 3. letting the Steam Deck run Steam VR games.
They would need to partner with AMD to subsidise the cost of the GPU and bulk order the GPUs and optimise them only for gaming to lower costs, but it's definitely feasible for a company like Valve.
It has the potential to sell much better than a standalone console, because there's already an existing market that would potentially buy it, that being the Steam Deck 2 audience, but they could also let it be compatible with other handheld PC's as well, further driving sales of it.
Assuming Valve prices the mid storage option of the Deck 2 similarly, it will be around $550 for the Deck 2 and somewhere in the range of $450 or lower for the EGPU Dock, which would have around RX 7800XT level performance.
Witcher 3 in DX11 (or just run older 1.3.2 build) runs much better on lower-end, especially with DXVK vs VKD3D on Linux.
I put one of these together with an nvidia t600. It works really well, but I've noticed that the CPU fan speed increases drastically when the GPU reaches 72 degrees. This is unusual behavior for a PC. It seems like the CPU fan speed is somehow linked to the GPU temperature. I'm running with the top cover off and the CPU temperature is quite low (around 55-60 degrees while gaming), but when the GPU hits 72 degrees the CPU fan spins up and bring the CPU down to about 48 degrees. When the CPU hits 72 degrees the fans speed up as expected. I have put the GPU fan at a fixed low speed with afterburner for testing so I know for sure the fan speed increase that I'm hearing is in fact the CPU. Have you noticed the CPU fan in your system ramping up when the GPU gets over 72 degrees? If so were you able to fix it?
Cool little retro/emu gamer if it's cheap enough. I'd probably look for 11th gen base though.
WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW HELLDIVERS 2 RUNS ON THIS BUILD!
The RX 6400 is very underpowered. You can expect 40-60 fps at 1080p low settings.
@fishthefirst gotcha, my daily drive is powerful enough to play on high but I do love that my steam deck can play it on low settings at 30 fps 😂 which I'm new to PCs but I had a lot of fun building my PC and I actually used one of my favorite UA-camrs "oztalkshw" $500 builds. I switch to PC when the ps5 came out and I couldn't get one because of the scalpers re selling them for double the price SMH. I really love seeing what people can do with low low end PC builds.
Valve taking notes
Like the wrist band youre using❤
I've been looking into getting this exact SFF PC, but as a NAS instead of a gaming PC.
This is a pretty good setup, how does Batocera do on it?
Yeah man, i wanna do it.
Hey, would like to see this running Batocera, I'm sure it would be powerful enough for the likes of emulation 😁
I would really do 32gb if you can afford it. 16 gigs feels like the minimum.
Very nice alright 😁
Valves watching right now
Come on, Strix Halo.
Odd that there are no videos of emulation tests on the Samsung Tab S10 on UA-cam yet.
I'm going to try this OS on the older Lenovo M75Q Tiny Ryzen 5 Pro 3400GE wonder how it will perform
Can you do a video talking about the new snapdragon elite chips. Apparently there are more powerful than the Rog ally and that they can play triple a games
you should try out the rtx a1000, should be heaps faster than the rx 6400 with similar performance to that of an rtx 3050!
There are ZERO reasons to run NVIDIA on Linux if all you're doing is gaming.
@@notjustforhackers4252 Bazzite SteamUI will not play well with it, you could still game ok, but not with a setup like this.
@@notjustforhackers4252 Wasn't thinking of running it with Linux in the first place though
@@notjustforhackers4252 He just gave us a reason, the a2000 is more powerful, and it also ships with excellent nvenc video encoding capabilities, and I'm using it with the open kernel modules on one of my small form factor Linux gaming rigs. What I need from AMD is more powerful cards (on the level of the a2000/4000) while still being single-slot and low profile and low powered (75W powered via the mb). And it has to be affordable too.
@@asunavk69 True, both Bazzite and ChimeraOS don't work well with Nvidia right now, but that might change now that Nvidia is putting in the effort with gamescope, open kernel module drivers etc. For now you can use Batocera Linux V40, which ships with Steam support and it works in big picture on Nvidia too (the Batocera rig in our living room is used for stuff like Kodi, Steam, Retro etc. and we're using the Nvidia A2000 with a custom single slot low profile cooler in an Optiplex 3040 SFF rig and it runs Steam's big picture fine albeit a bit sluggish at times). Batocera will be shipping the new open kernel modules for Nvidia starting with V41.
bazzite has a new update with fedora 41 and mesa3d 24.2.3, performance should be way better
I would like a build like this, but I would prefer to use it with an Nvidia graphics card to have ray tracing.
I personally would stop using the 6400 on these older machines as the performance is severely degraded with PICE 3.0 systems.
You should give away things like this on your channel. This would be amazing 😃
What's up with the frame times? Fps is good and all but frame times is going to feel noticeable on more latency-sensitive games (e.g., missed clicks and delayed actions)
But can it stream to a Deck with suspend/resume supported (suspend the Deck, it suspends the game on the machine)?
I would get rid of that ThinkPad logo and replace it with a Legion logo.
With Bazzite, do they only let you play games that are playable on steamdeck? Like the ones that are approved on steam deck?
Wouldn’t the rx 6400 be bottlenecked by the 8700t? But not by a bit i mean, a lot
What's the point using Bazzite on a plug and play device?
Low resolution and fps is nothing new for us steam deck owners. Its more than fine.
Would a RTX A2000 work any better in this rig?
Any chance this would support VR games like Alyx?
I have done this with a M720q and though it does work, performance is kinda hit or miss.
Street Fighter 6 has no tessellation on the sand on the beach level making it not look good...
I legit just got a pair of low profile rx 6400's for 110$ each 😢
hi can u make another build like this but using rtx 3050, i think 3050 has lower tdp than 6400
Is this System faster as a Minisforum UM760 /780
Would you say this would run retro emulators on linux batocera no problem?
What's the most power GPU that fits? This is the form factor I'd like but I'd be downgrading from a 2060
A2000 with a single slot gpu mod. There's a video on youtube with someone else doing it and testing it out
@@ll_spud thanks
why use a half baked os that doesnt run most software that isnt a game? plus game pass is pretty damn good.
What about a lowprofile 4060 could that work in this
Dumb question, but would this work for the m900 as well??
Why you don't use RDR2 in gaming test
wouldn't a used xbox one x be a better system to get ...they are going for $100-$130 used
Is that the 8bitdo controller?
aiyo ETA! can i have this one?
Hello. I installed bazsite, but I don't understand how to launch Decky Loader. I use an Xbox controller. and I don't understand how to run it. please help
too bad Bazzite doesn't support nVidia GPUs...
Not worth it
Just put the 6700 back in the case
Why not a 4060.
the rx 6400 is 7% weaker than the 780m.
But usually, the 780m will be limited by the problems of memory frequency and bandwidth and thus difficult to reach the theoretical performance. In actual games, the RX6400 is about 10 percent stronger than the 780m.
HEY ETAPRIME small pc enough,,, WE WANT YOU 64 CORE THREADRIPPER OR EPYC SYSTEM BUILD (we dont have any video AMD EPYC pc buld, it can explode youtube view)use it for your primier render pc and create 4-5 video from buy steps. just dont use trash,cheap ram on amd , only gskill 4channel special amd edition
u can get 3050 lp 1 slot
You can? All powered by the mainboard? Which model is it? Nvidia A2000/4000 are good alternatives too btw
@@Alexander-ix2jp yeston 3050 lp
pov, it is better than ps4
*WEAK AF*
please subtitles in portuguese
👍🏻👍🏻
Hi
this is dumb
Hi