When the Roman wars against the Jews are usually depicted, the Jewish military victories are almost never mentioned. The victory at Beth Horan is largely unknown and while the slaughter of the populace is widely known, the many Jewish military successes in defense of Jerusalem leading up to this event are omitted.
If anything is omitted in the modern day retelling of the three Jewish wars or the Himyarite kingdom, it is the amount of ethnic cleansing and genocide committed by Jewish rebels. The entire Kitos war was the definition of genocide and ethnic cleansing (killing over half a million civilians because they are a different religion/ethnicity is genocide)
@@MrCadet08 - I hadn't heard about that. Do you know which religion and ethnicity the people were that the Jews reportedly killed? Egyptian? Samaritans? Pagan?
@@Achill101 Greek. You know why there are places in Libya called Sirte or Tripoli? Weirdly Greek names? Because Greeks used to be main ethnicity inhabiting Libyan coast due to their venture into the region since the Myccean period. And Lukuas Jews wiped them from existence the same way Turks wiped Armenians from Anatolia or Germans Jews from Poland. That's why I fully understand brutal response of Romans to the later Jewish rebellions.
Hi! I have just binge-watched your entire Jewish History playlist. I am really looking forward to new episodes!! Where do you see yourself stopping? Also, I would love to see you cover more Jewish theology. :)
I don't like to talk about the endgame for this video, but I *may* dig deeper into Jewish theology when another channel and I collaborate to talk about Judaism's presence in the rise of Islam.
To what i'm aware of the campaign of Trajan in Mesopotamia was a complete success. Hadrian later abbandoned the newly enstablished provinces because of the difficulty of defending them but Trajan won
I had to listen to this over and over to get the picture. A bit too much for me. I finally followed it after taking notes. I must have had to rewind it a dozen times. Hard to to follow.
I like your videos on Jewish history and understand that it is from a Jewish centric pov as it helps understand it better especially during the Davidic Era but how is it ethnic cleansing to move Jews back to their homeland after the actual ethnic cleansing of Roman Greeks in Cyrenaica and Cyprus?
Late answer, but being that the largest Jewish community wasn't in Judea, but was instead in Egypt, it's very likely, given that Cyprus and Cyrenaica was nearby, that there were Jews already living there who weren't involved in the mass violence of the extremist rebels, but because they were Jewish, the same ethnicity as the rebels, they were removed from their homes, despite commiting no crimes against their neighbors. That doesn't mean the actions of the extremists weren't ethnic cleansing, but being that these were extremist rebels, they probably didn't care about your ethnicity, they just wanted to conquer, and if the Jews living there had attempted to resist the rebels, they probably would have been killed as well.
@@JtheCriticthank you Were these extremists more in line with the zealots? Or what I'm asking is, did the zealots survive the destruction of the first temple? Since from what I've read only the Pharisees/Rabbinic Judaism and Early Christianity survived that
@@Baccanaso while I know some things about Jewish political history, I do not know much about the different sects and their theological disputes and stances.
@@JtheCritic I read that these Jews killed about a million innocent people throughout the region..........in 115AD. Wiping entire cities by literal sword isn't extremist, its that other thing.
The last line sounds about right. Historians who subtract what Jews call "the Hardrianic persecution" from the equation consider him to be a superb emperor. It irks me that any historian does that, and I end up concluding that those who do are at least a bit anti-Semitic. But I am sure there is more to the story and cannot wait to here it. And yes, I never heard of the Kitos War. (FYI, it's SDelMonte here. My Google accounts are under my real name.)
That's true, but there's another dimension, which is that Hadrian was broadly very unpopular throughout the Empire by the end of his rule. Only in the 18th century, when Edward Gibbon included him among the "Five Good Emperors," was he rehabilitated.
@@bill9989 and i mean, Hadrian was a good emperor, what he did to the jewish people does not interfere with what he did for the empire. Building the Hadrian wall, the version we see today of the Pantheon in Rome and consolidating the borders of the empire
תודה על התרגום לעברית סרטון מעניין מאוד .. אני ממליץ לך על הספר " יוסיפון שארית ישראל " זה שתי חלקים מצוי ברוב קהילות ישראל במיוחד אשכנז .. אלו מקבצי כתבים היסטוריים ועדויות של חוקרים יהודים לאורך ההיסטוריה והגלות
In fact, he only portrayed the emperors Trajan and Hadrian (and himself), both of who have reliable images available. None of the minor figures like the Armenian king was portrayed (except for two random dudes that don't actually matter, no idea why). None of the other _major_ figures was portrayed, e.g. the actual leaders of the Jewish uprising in Cyrenaica or Cyprus. Because, like with Quietus, we don't have any images of them. funny how you totally misrepresent that. I wonder why
@@varana there are reliable images of Lusius Quietus as well. The fact that you commented the way you did tells me you know exactly what I’m talking about
@@marctoonz813 No, we don't. We have one or two pieces that are sometimes assumed to be Quietus, which is highly doubtful (as in, there's no real reason to believe that they depict him). And second - maybe I know what you're talking about, and it's nonsense in this case. Also, "funny how" you ignored the rest of my post.
Your videos are fucking awesome! You deserve a whole lot more subscribers. I shared the Jewish history playlist on r/israel hope that will help. I also live in Jaffa btw, i would love to buy you a beer if you're up to it
second question so basically what you're saying is that not herzal nor yehuda ben aliazer revived the jewish nation rather then mathtyahu yosefus flavious which put the foundation for the jewish rehabilitation?,
I love the “we need to acknowledge the fact that: Persia Exists” running joke of this series
It gets funnier every time he says it
When the Roman wars against the Jews are usually depicted, the Jewish military victories are almost never mentioned. The victory at Beth Horan is largely unknown and while the slaughter of the populace is widely known, the many Jewish military successes in defense of Jerusalem leading up to this event are omitted.
What do lost victories count?
Every war ended with Jewish defeat.
If anything is omitted in the modern day retelling of the three Jewish wars or the Himyarite kingdom, it is the amount of ethnic cleansing and genocide committed by Jewish rebels. The entire Kitos war was the definition of genocide and ethnic cleansing (killing over half a million civilians because they are a different religion/ethnicity is genocide)
@@MrCadet08 - I hadn't heard about that. Do you know which religion and ethnicity the people were that the Jews reportedly killed? Egyptian? Samaritans? Pagan?
Sam covered Beth Horon in a previois video
@@Achill101 Greek. You know why there are places in Libya called Sirte or Tripoli? Weirdly Greek names? Because Greeks used to be main ethnicity inhabiting Libyan coast due to their venture into the region since the Myccean period. And Lukuas Jews wiped them from existence the same way Turks wiped Armenians from Anatolia or Germans Jews from Poland.
That's why I fully understand brutal response of Romans to the later Jewish rebellions.
just found this channel and binge watched nearly every video. Great work, keep it up
OH NO !! Last part ( for now)..... One of the greatest series on YT.
The "two Jewish brothers" cracked me up. That was awesome!
Do I comprehend everything? No. But do I like to watch maps changing and moving around? Yes! You’re my Netflix from now on 👩🏻⚖️
Hi! I have just binge-watched your entire Jewish History playlist. I am really looking forward to new episodes!! Where do you see yourself stopping? Also, I would love to see you cover more Jewish theology. :)
I don't like to talk about the endgame for this video, but I *may* dig deeper into Jewish theology when another channel and I collaborate to talk about Judaism's presence in the rise of Islam.
@@SamAronow I'm excited for that :).
Hadrian's going to make this look like a joke
Great video. I love the additional background and information that you present. Thanks for the book recommendation, my digital library had a copy.
Thanks for giving this info out in video format, good stuff
Fascinating video. I was unfamiliar with this war until today. Well done!
To what i'm aware of the campaign of Trajan in Mesopotamia was a complete success. Hadrian later abbandoned the newly enstablished provinces because of the difficulty of defending them but Trajan won
The siege of hatra says otherwise.
@@azuaraikrezeul1677 a hard battle that you win is still a victory
I had to listen to this over and over to get the picture. A bit too much for me. I finally followed it after taking notes. I must have had to rewind it a dozen times. Hard to to follow.
יישר כוח!
I like your videos on Jewish history and understand that it is from a Jewish centric pov as it helps understand it better especially during the Davidic Era but how is it ethnic cleansing to move Jews back to their homeland after the actual ethnic cleansing of Roman Greeks in Cyrenaica and Cyprus?
Late answer, but being that the largest Jewish community wasn't in Judea, but was instead in Egypt, it's very likely, given that Cyprus and Cyrenaica was nearby, that there were Jews already living there who weren't involved in the mass violence of the extremist rebels, but because they were Jewish, the same ethnicity as the rebels, they were removed from their homes, despite commiting no crimes against their neighbors.
That doesn't mean the actions of the extremists weren't ethnic cleansing, but being that these were extremist rebels, they probably didn't care about your ethnicity, they just wanted to conquer, and if the Jews living there had attempted to resist the rebels, they probably would have been killed as well.
@@JtheCriticthank you
Were these extremists more in line with the zealots? Or what I'm asking is, did the zealots survive the destruction of the first temple? Since from what I've read only the Pharisees/Rabbinic Judaism and Early Christianity survived that
@@Baccanaso while I know some things about Jewish political history, I do not know much about the different sects and their theological disputes and stances.
@@JtheCritic I read that these Jews killed about a million innocent people throughout the region..........in 115AD. Wiping entire cities by literal sword isn't extremist, its that other thing.
Persia exists is the new wait for it the Mongols
The last line sounds about right. Historians who subtract what Jews call "the Hardrianic persecution" from the equation consider him to be a superb emperor. It irks me that any historian does that, and I end up concluding that those who do are at least a bit anti-Semitic. But I am sure there is more to the story and cannot wait to here it.
And yes, I never heard of the Kitos War.
(FYI, it's SDelMonte here. My Google accounts are under my real name.)
That's true, but there's another dimension, which is that Hadrian was broadly very unpopular throughout the Empire by the end of his rule. Only in the 18th century, when Edward Gibbon included him among the "Five Good Emperors," was he rehabilitated.
Really makes you think about how much impact one Englishman has on how we see the Roman empire.
@@redcoat4348 Two if you include Robert Graves.
History is written by the Winners, if WW2 had ended different Hitler would be remembered with the same fondness as FDR.
@@bill9989 and i mean, Hadrian was a good emperor, what he did to the jewish people does not interfere with what he did for the empire. Building the Hadrian wall, the version we see today of the Pantheon in Rome and consolidating the borders of the empire
*The Kitos War was about dieting too, right? Wait, wrong keto*
"kiitos" means "thank you" in Finnish
באיזה תוכנה את משתמש לעריכה הזאת?
I'm honoured to have a battle named after me 🙂
@Kitos it was an illiterate mistake. The General name was Quietas.
Could you recommend books and or articles used for reference and information in this video?
thanks
This is completely different from the info from "Unbiased History of Rome" xp
תודה על התרגום לעברית סרטון מעניין מאוד .. אני ממליץ לך על הספר " יוסיפון שארית ישראל " זה שתי חלקים מצוי ברוב קהילות ישראל במיוחד אשכנז .. אלו מקבצי כתבים היסטוריים ועדויות של חוקרים יהודים לאורך ההיסטוריה והגלות
HI, can this book be found in English? thanks
funny how he portrayed every individual except Lusius Quietus. I wonder why
He was black berber. Hardly anything about him on youtube?
In fact, he only portrayed the emperors Trajan and Hadrian (and himself), both of who have reliable images available.
None of the minor figures like the Armenian king was portrayed (except for two random dudes that don't actually matter, no idea why). None of the other _major_ figures was portrayed, e.g. the actual leaders of the Jewish uprising in Cyrenaica or Cyprus.
Because, like with Quietus, we don't have any images of them.
funny how you totally misrepresent that. I wonder why
@@varana there are reliable images of Lusius Quietus as well. The fact that you commented the way you did tells me you know exactly what I’m talking about
@@marctoonz813 No, we don't. We have one or two pieces that are sometimes assumed to be Quietus, which is highly doubtful (as in, there's no real reason to believe that they depict him).
And second - maybe I know what you're talking about, and it's nonsense in this case. Also, "funny how" you ignored the rest of my post.
Not much to describe about him. He was the quiet type.
This is a very informative channel. My only advice to you is not to waste your time battling Wikipedia trolls.
Cool video, a little heavy handed on the anti Roman side but still pretty cool
It’s kind of wild to learn that between the first war and bar kochba we did such a number on the Romans that entire provences had to be repopulated.
Gallus, the Caesar of the East, was truly awful if you read Gore Vidal's biographical novel Julian, about Gallus' brother Emperor Julian the Apostate.
Ah the kitos war named after the Roman general that fought against them but is also mispronounced.
Yep
Not mispronounced but Kitos is Quietus in Greek
Your videos are fucking awesome! You deserve a whole lot more subscribers. I shared the Jewish history playlist on r/israel hope that will help.
I also live in Jaffa btw, i would love to buy you a beer if you're up to it
*That* explains it! Thank you.
second question so basically what you're saying is that not herzal nor yehuda ben aliazer revived the jewish nation rather then mathtyahu yosefus flavious which put the foundation for the jewish rehabilitation?,
Kitos!