Nicely written. You combined many stories about the auto and energy industries and managed to produce a clear and refreshing perspective on the current state of affairs. And the way you summed up how the auto makers failed to manufacture batteries was a nice overview that I've never heard before.
Plenty of strong opinions on here. If you step back and remove emotion from the argument battery powered cars are the future. If you look at what happened to other industries in the UK motorbikes, ship building, steel manufacturing all gone, to name just three. The problem failure to modernise.
@@TheAegisClaw I am not convinced about AI I use it from time to time. If you write a few sentences it might improve the English / Grammar but you still have to create something to start with.
If anyone searches videos on the assembly of the Tesla Model Y, it will be massively obvious WHY Tesla assemble their cars at 5x the speed of any Legacy Auto. VAG, BMW, Mercedes, Citroen, Renault, Ford & GM do not have a snowball in hell's chance of increasing the speed of production. Simply because they are too big and too Management heavy to alter their slow and outdated production methods. I would strongly recommend seeing the assembly video used in the old and already outdated Model Y.
Legacy auto and the oil companies remind me of the tobacco firms saying that smoking doesn't harm your health. Would the government ban wood burning stoves as well please. Cheers
My neighbour in a previous house had two log burners and my house was downwind of them. The smoke came into my house regularly. Evil things that should be banned in urban areas.
Yes indeed, lets all have one central place where we produce heat, to warm every home in the UK, through a pipe network, using 55% fossil fuels (todays figures), so we heavily pollute that central area, but everyone else can feel so smug and great about themselves, telling each other, aren't we so so clean and continue to point the finger at Ice!! Oh, did I just use the idea of charging EV's at home and at most charge stations, oh dear!
Well written piece of work, covering a range of viewpoints. Legacy auto focus on ICE engines blinded them to innovation elsewhere. This has resulted in overweight cars that have too many parts. They have not trained their designers and manufacturing engineers to relentlessly reduce weight and parts count. The focus for their next vehicles has and continues to be on what they have historically done well, rather than anticipating the need for change and then ruthlessly/relentlessly driving to produce the next generation of vehicles. The design of the electronic systems is antiquated, with little evidence of current systems design. What a nightmare for them. I hope as a taxpayer that I am not expected to contribute to their recovery.
15:05 Look at the left side of that table. Yes, it's the PM2.5 that really counts; the NOx is much less a concern. Now, look at the contributors. Road transport is 18%, and even then, it includes particles from tires and brakes. Yes, convert to EVs. It can't happen fast enough to suit me, and probably you also. But don't delude yourself that the job will be anywhere near done because of that. Actually, I'm surprised that domestic wood burning is that big a factor. But that's what they're saying, and I don't know what it's going to take to change that.
Yes, health wise PM2.5 particles are a real health issue. But Nox is an extremely potent warming gas (over 300 times greater than C02). It’s coming at us from all angles.
@@cbromley562 I think you may be confusing NOx with N2O. Nitric oxide, which causes acid rain, is quite reactive, and does not persist in the atmosphere as N2O does. It is therefore not evenly distributed as N2O is. It is considered toxic, but mainly because it is a respiratory irritant. It doesn't have the insidious effects that particulates have, and on a global basis, it's really not in the same league at all WRT actually killing people.
Oxford has just unified and tightened up its Smoke Control Zones so wood stoves must meet latest regulation and open fires have to be fully smokeless. I think some sort of sales restriction needs to come in, a really tricky one this. NOx are asthma triggers too.
Legacy ignored what was coming as they saw profits from the way they had always worked. Tesla blew that apart as well as the companies that were forward looking, such as BYD, Kia, Hyandai, Geely and many more. They were not as stuck in ICE production and evolved. To be profitable requires having control of the process and cutting out the middle man. Every extra company used to produce a car will want their own profits! I hope for their sakes that they can wake up and act.
So European Govs. are the ones responsible for killing off their own car industries with their brilliant 'green' agenda. And took no notice of Ice producers in Europe who told them it would hurt them badly! Bit like driving from the UK to France, ploughing on no matter what, driving off the White cliffs and into the water because the driver wants to do it in 20 minutes and not 35 minutes! Gotta hand it to all those east Asia EV producers and the Euro Govs. did!!! Now we can look forward to more killer fireworks displays on our roads. Ev fires are far less atm, but may double with lots of Chinese brands and can kill people far more easily! Guess that's a win then!
Dave, well constructed presentation. AI certainly involved heavily in the future manufacture of vehicles, but will this knowledge extend down to our local garages when faults develop and repairs are required. The cost of repairing problems with these vehicles are in some cases astronomical, due in the main to how they are assembled. Will we have giant automated repair garages just to change faulty headlight bulbs and settings?😂😂
Dave, sales figures show that people do not want EV ( very few private EV sales. 90% of EV are fleet / lease )., seems to me that legacy auto are making what people want, and it is the EV companies that are out of step....
2:21 - Yes, of course, if everything is on the screen, there is less work with connecting switches... Check how many buttons Tesla has and how many BMW. If the screen dies on BMW, no problem, you can drive normally, and you can even operate the car normally.... With stupid Tesla, if the screen die is game over and the only solution is towing the car!!!! A BMW car is made as a car should be made that you don't need a fk screen for every fk stupid thing!!
Odd that, my tesla screen died and the car continued on its way until I could reboot the screen. My BMW iX3 screen went off once and again the car continued to work. You need to call up Tesla and let them know that your's had a total failure when the screen went off.
@@stevenbarrett7648 🤣🤣🤣 You can have Tesla.... inside is cheap and totally employ. No thanks.... and last I'm not EV fan. Can you use AC etc. no you can't! and also you can't even open glove compartment if screen die.
When Tesla can make a EV 3 times or even 6 times faster and cheaper than other EV builders, then answer this: Why is the cheapest Tesla starting at €41.000, and not €25.000? With at least 3 times cheaper to build, that starting price should be somewhere around €15.000
That's not how capitalism works. Maybe they can build a car for 15K, maybe they can't. It's irrelevant either way. You sell your product, at a profit, for the highest price that the market will bare. If you have little competition and there is demand for your product, you make a lot of money. If the owners of the business are wise, they reinvest that money in the business to stay ahead of any competition. If the owners are dumb, they extract that money from the business for the owners personal use and the business struggles more than it should, possibly going under. What you're talking about is either communism or charity. There are pros and cons to both, but Tesla is working in a capitalist system.
Expect more political lobbying from legacy car makers ( and oil companies), it’s what they do when they cannot adapt fast enough. Remember how the oil companies resisted removing lead from petrol? So the cry from legacy will be , delay introduction of EV mandates, put tariffs on car imports, E-fuels are the answer, hybrids are good enough etc. Meanwhile evidence is mounting that the carbon sinks in nature are at a turning point, ( BBC Inside Science podcast), 1.5C has already been breached, things are going to get a lot worse, ( I hope they don’t but I am not holding my breath).
youve been brainwashed, they said the great barrier reef was dying, its bigger than ever now, you do realise you cant build evs without oil or order one by phone or computer, grow enough food etc etc
Refreshing to listen to commonsense fr someone with knowledge of the vehicle business. The climate crisis unfortunately won't ever get fixed in our lifetime, the magnitude of the ongoing disaster is not something humans can fix now. How can we get the Ocesns to absorb more C02 then it has for 250 yrs. That never ending new highs in C02 etc games released into the atmosphere each year now stays in that environment, heating the Oceans allowing more & more evaporation & so producing more turbulent weather's, slacker jet streams. To end, it's not controllable by mere humans!
Dont be deluded electricity will never be cheap and will only get more expensive as we transition from carbon based fuels to renewables or the government would loose the associated taxes regarding petrol/diesel if anyone can argue the point please do.
Electricity is cheap to produce via renewables, but is priced to the consumer in many countries based on the marginal cost of the most expensive fuel used - which is often fossil-fuels. In the UK for example gas set the electricity price 84% of the time in 2022/23, renewables only 1% (imports the remaining 15%). Some countries have also loaded the cost of carbon credits and any incentives (fossil-fuel or renewable) onto the the cost of electricity rather than the heating/cooking costs - since every one requires electricitic but there are multiple sources of heating/cooking. That said the proportion of carbon credit/incentives is much lower than that of the marginal cost of fossil-fuels in influencing electricity prices. Hence the truth is once fossil-fuel incentives, the need for carbon credits and their expensive generation costs is removed the cost of electricity will fall, even with a tax added, as the cost of renewables is signficantly lower than that of fossil-fuels.
If it gets more expensive you will see PV panels on every roof and wall and back yard and batteries in the garage, in the house, even in the bedroom, in every house, flat, building everywhere, all over in the world. So simple.
You will buy your last new ICE one in 2035 and you will keep it till it, or you die. Nobody told you to buy a Tesla, BMW makes very nice EVs too. I have one and I love it.
I would be more worried about the previous subsidies the funding that has happened prior to electrical vehicles being created because they were investments in the future developments on platforms that we’re going to be solid for decades to come so those decades still have time to run out before new concepts or models Need to be made new platforms that are not just a mild iteration on the previous a complete paradigm shift had to happen because the powertrain changed and well they’re all greedy. After all they all have shareholders to pay off. They are not recognised as being subsidised industry and then subsidised in their registration and subsidised in their entire network of supply chain and massive reserves are vehicles held on dealer network lotsso production facilities in China have just evolve where production facilities in the West and wild are all about being the minimalist for the lowest cost and the hardest to adapt because everybody said in stone.
Tesla also save a lot of manufacturing time by only really making one version of the 3 and Y. By this I mean there isn't a huge list of trim options like the legacy manufacturers have used for decades to empty car buyers pockets. Additionally, the large screen no switches design of the 3 and Y is much more efficient to put together.
Nicely written. You combined many stories about the auto and energy industries and managed to produce a clear and refreshing perspective on the current state of affairs. And the way you summed up how the auto makers failed to manufacture batteries was a nice overview that I've never heard before.
Plenty of strong opinions on here. If you step back and remove emotion from the argument battery powered cars are the future. If you look at what happened to other industries in the UK motorbikes, ship building, steel manufacturing all gone, to name just three. The problem failure to modernise.
Yep, and AI is soon going to be THE modernisation for all manufacturing. If they're not going big on AI now, it's probably already too late.
@@TheAegisClaw I am not convinced about AI I use it from time to time. If you write a few sentences it might improve the English / Grammar but you still have to create something to start with.
If anyone searches videos on the assembly of the Tesla Model Y, it will be massively obvious WHY Tesla assemble their cars at 5x the speed of any Legacy Auto.
VAG, BMW, Mercedes, Citroen, Renault, Ford & GM do not have a snowball in hell's chance of increasing the speed of production. Simply because they are too big and too Management heavy to alter their slow and outdated production methods.
I would strongly recommend seeing the assembly video used in the old and already outdated Model Y.
Legacy auto and the oil companies remind me of the tobacco firms saying that smoking doesn't harm your health. Would the government ban wood burning stoves as well please. Cheers
My neighbour in a previous house had two log burners and my house was downwind of them.
The smoke came into my house regularly.
Evil things that should be banned in urban areas.
And a person who smokes a cannabis joint is a criminal in the UK.You couldn't make it up.
Yes indeed, lets all have one central place where we produce heat, to warm every home in the UK, through a pipe network, using 55% fossil fuels (todays figures), so we heavily pollute that central area, but everyone else can feel so smug and great about themselves, telling each other, aren't we so so clean and continue to point the finger at Ice!!
Oh, did I just use the idea of charging EV's at home and at most charge stations, oh dear!
That ban should also include the the largest wood burning "stove" at Drax power station.
Well written piece of work, covering a range of viewpoints. Legacy auto focus on ICE engines blinded them to innovation elsewhere. This has resulted in overweight cars that have too many parts. They have not trained their designers and manufacturing engineers to relentlessly reduce weight and parts count. The focus for their next vehicles has and continues to be on what they have historically done well, rather than anticipating the need for change and then ruthlessly/relentlessly driving to produce the next generation of vehicles. The design of the electronic systems is antiquated, with little evidence of current systems design. What a nightmare for them. I hope as a taxpayer that I am not expected to contribute to their recovery.
Great video
15:05 Look at the left side of that table. Yes, it's the PM2.5 that really counts; the NOx is much less a concern. Now, look at the contributors. Road transport is 18%, and even then, it includes particles from tires and brakes. Yes, convert to EVs. It can't happen fast enough to suit me, and probably you also. But don't delude yourself that the job will be anywhere near done because of that.
Actually, I'm surprised that domestic wood burning is that big a factor. But that's what they're saying, and I don't know what it's going to take to change that.
Yes, health wise PM2.5 particles are a real health issue. But Nox is an extremely potent warming gas (over 300 times greater than C02). It’s coming at us from all angles.
@@cbromley562 I think you may be confusing NOx with N2O. Nitric oxide, which causes acid rain, is quite reactive, and does not persist in the atmosphere as N2O does. It is therefore not evenly distributed as N2O is. It is considered toxic, but mainly because it is a respiratory irritant. It doesn't have the insidious effects that particulates have, and on a global basis, it's really not in the same league at all WRT actually killing people.
Oxford has just unified and tightened up its Smoke Control Zones so wood stoves must meet latest regulation and open fires have to be fully smokeless. I think some sort of sales restriction needs to come in, a really tricky one this.
NOx are asthma triggers too.
Legacy ignored what was coming as they saw profits from the way they had always worked. Tesla blew that apart as well as the companies that were forward looking, such as BYD, Kia, Hyandai, Geely and many more. They were not as stuck in ICE production and evolved.
To be profitable requires having control of the process and cutting out the middle man. Every extra company used to produce a car will want their own profits!
I hope for their sakes that they can wake up and act.
So European Govs. are the ones responsible for killing off their own car industries with their brilliant 'green' agenda.
And took no notice of Ice producers in Europe who told them it would hurt them badly!
Bit like driving from the UK to France, ploughing on no matter what, driving off the White cliffs and into the water because the driver wants to do it in 20 minutes and not 35 minutes!
Gotta hand it to all those east Asia EV producers and the Euro Govs. did!!!
Now we can look forward to more killer fireworks displays on our roads.
Ev fires are far less atm, but may double with lots of Chinese brands and can kill people far more easily!
Guess that's a win then!
Asbestos. Lead paint. Ivory key pianos. ICE cars.
Dave, well constructed presentation. AI certainly involved heavily in the future manufacture of vehicles, but will this knowledge extend down to our local garages when faults develop and repairs are required.
The cost of repairing problems with these vehicles are in some cases astronomical, due in the main to how they are assembled. Will we have giant automated repair garages just to change faulty headlight bulbs and settings?😂😂
Automated manufacturing vs strict employment laws and less diverse economies?
Dave, sales figures show that people do not want EV ( very few private EV sales. 90% of EV are fleet / lease )., seems to me that legacy auto are making what people want, and it is the EV companies that are out of step....
Leasing and salary sacrifice is hiding how many are in effect private sales.
2:21 - Yes, of course, if everything is on the screen, there is less work with connecting switches...
Check how many buttons Tesla has and how many BMW. If the screen dies on BMW, no problem, you can drive normally, and you can even operate the car normally.... With stupid Tesla, if the screen die is game over and the only solution is towing the car!!!!
A BMW car is made as a car should be made that you don't need a fk screen for every fk stupid thing!!
Odd that, my tesla screen died and the car continued on its way until I could reboot the screen. My BMW iX3 screen went off once and again the car continued to work. You need to call up Tesla and let them know that your's had a total failure when the screen went off.
@@stevenbarrett7648 🤣🤣🤣
You can have Tesla.... inside is cheap and totally employ. No thanks.... and last I'm not EV fan.
Can you use AC etc. no you can't! and also you can't even open glove compartment if screen die.
The lack of physical switches is so unnerving.
@@dchubworldsharenetworkyour comments are not very data driven, everything you write is most likely your own opinion and in no way based in facts
@@markotrieste You get used to it!
When Tesla can make a EV 3 times or even 6 times faster and cheaper than other EV builders, then answer this:
Why is the cheapest Tesla starting at €41.000, and not €25.000?
With at least 3 times cheaper to build, that starting price should be somewhere around €15.000
Good point Tesla could.And if they don't the Chinese will.
Wait when you have to repair that gigacasting...
Not really a good point see as they invested heavily in these modern high-tech factory's,it's a bit like do i use a shovel or a digger to dig a hole
That's not how capitalism works. Maybe they can build a car for 15K, maybe they can't. It's irrelevant either way. You sell your product, at a profit, for the highest price that the market will bare. If you have little competition and there is demand for your product, you make a lot of money. If the owners of the business are wise, they reinvest that money in the business to stay ahead of any competition. If the owners are dumb, they extract that money from the business for the owners personal use and the business struggles more than it should, possibly going under.
What you're talking about is either communism or charity. There are pros and cons to both, but Tesla is working in a capitalist system.
Expect more political lobbying from legacy car makers ( and oil companies), it’s what they do when they cannot adapt fast enough. Remember how the oil companies resisted removing lead from petrol? So the cry from legacy will be , delay introduction of EV mandates, put tariffs on car imports, E-fuels are the answer, hybrids are good enough etc. Meanwhile evidence is mounting that the carbon sinks in nature are at a turning point, ( BBC Inside Science podcast), 1.5C has already been breached, things are going to get a lot worse, ( I hope they don’t but I am not holding my breath).
youve been brainwashed, they said the great barrier reef was dying, its bigger than ever now, you do realise you cant build evs without oil or order one by phone or computer, grow enough food etc etc
Legacy auto makers will go the way of the horse if they fail to evolve.
Refreshing to listen to commonsense fr someone with knowledge of the vehicle business. The climate crisis unfortunately won't ever get fixed in our lifetime, the magnitude of the ongoing disaster is not something humans can fix now. How can we get the Ocesns to absorb more C02 then it has for 250 yrs. That never ending new highs in C02 etc games released into the atmosphere each year now stays in that environment, heating the Oceans allowing more & more evaporation & so producing more turbulent weather's, slacker jet streams. To end, it's not controllable by mere humans!
It wouldn't matter if it took VW 15 minutes to make an I.D.3 - people don't want rubbish EVs
this is just one big propaganda channel, you actually hurt the ev drive by lying
What are you claiming are lies exactly? Dave sometimes gets a few things wrong and is prone to hyperbole, but I've seen no outright lies.
Dont be deluded electricity will never be cheap and will only get more expensive as we transition from carbon based fuels to renewables or the government would loose the associated taxes regarding petrol/diesel if anyone can argue the point please do.
Electricity is cheap to produce via renewables, but is priced to the consumer in many countries based on the marginal cost of the most expensive fuel used - which is often fossil-fuels. In the UK for example gas set the electricity price 84% of the time in 2022/23, renewables only 1% (imports the remaining 15%). Some countries have also loaded the cost of carbon credits and any incentives (fossil-fuel or renewable) onto the the cost of electricity rather than the heating/cooking costs - since every one requires electricitic but there are multiple sources of heating/cooking. That said the proportion of carbon credit/incentives is much lower than that of the marginal cost of fossil-fuels in influencing electricity prices.
Hence the truth is once fossil-fuel incentives, the need for carbon credits and their expensive generation costs is removed the cost of electricity will fall, even with a tax added, as the cost of renewables is signficantly lower than that of fossil-fuels.
If it gets more expensive you will see PV panels on every roof and wall and back yard and batteries in the garage, in the house, even in the bedroom, in every house, flat, building everywhere, all over in the world. So simple.
Give me bmw anyday over the mr musk clones
You will buy your last new ICE one in 2035 and you will keep it till it, or you die. Nobody told you to buy a Tesla, BMW makes very nice EVs too. I have one and I love it.
I would be more worried about the previous subsidies the funding that has happened prior to electrical vehicles being created because they were investments in the future developments on platforms that we’re going to be solid for decades to come so those decades still have time to run out before new concepts or models Need to be made new platforms that are not just a mild iteration on the previous a complete paradigm shift had to happen because the powertrain changed and well they’re all greedy. After all they all have shareholders to pay off. They are not recognised as being subsidised industry and then subsidised in their registration and subsidised in their entire network of supply chain and massive reserves are vehicles held on dealer network lotsso production facilities in China have just evolve where production facilities in the West and wild are all about being the minimalist for the lowest cost and the hardest to adapt because everybody said in stone.
Tesla also save a lot of manufacturing time by only really making one version of the 3 and Y. By this I mean there isn't a huge list of trim options like the legacy manufacturers have used for decades to empty car buyers pockets.
Additionally, the large screen no switches design of the 3 and Y is much more efficient to put together.