Drum Sticks Of Buddy Rich,Gene Krupa,Joe Morello,Art Blakey,and Others -Ken Loomer Collection.
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- This is some of my drumstick collection from famous drummers of the past from the great American Drum Companies of Slingerland,Ludwig,Gretsch,and Rogers from the 60`s and 70`s. When an artist would endorse a drum company back in the 60`s,they would have the drum company make a model stick for them which the public could buy.Today,the major drum companies do not make sticks for their artist. The sticks are now made by Vic Firth, Pro-Mark ,Regal Tip, and other stick makers. It was great when the sticks were made by the drum companies like Slingerland, who back in the 60`s was the largest manufacturer of drums in the world.Then in the late 70`s Ludwig was the biggest drum plant.I enjoy drum history and these drumsticks are a great part of this history of these great drum companies like Slingerland,Gretsch,Rogers, and Ludwig. The great jazz drummers from the past all had sticks made for them by these American drum companies. I have seen lots of vintage drums on youtube of these great American drum companies,but never a video on drumsticks from the past. All drumsticks shown here were made in the U.S.A. Here is a part of my collection for you to check out. For more info about me, go to kenloomer.com.
I took a drum lesson from Steve Smith in 1980. After the lesson I asked him what kind of sticks he uses. He grabbed a pair of Vic Firth 2B out of his stick bag and handed them to me and said keep them! I still have them in the non eco friendly clear Vic Firth bag! 👍👏
I saw him at a drum clinic about 7 years ago. I asked if he remembered and Steve said that he didn’t.😂😂😂
Wonderful you took a lesson from Steve Smith.Way back in 1980 he was playing with the rock band Journey so those heavy 2B sticks I`m sure he used.I saw Steve Smith with his jazz band back about 4 years ago and of course he was using his Steve Smith Vic Firth Signature Sticks.
I used to have some Cappella B.R. sticks, and loved the bead on them. It chimed like crazy!
I started playing Regal Tip in 1992 when I was 16, and have stayed with them ever since. Today I play Jazz and Groovers models.
Only you know what drum stick is best for your type of playing. Drummers today have so many model drum sticks to choose from. Regal Tip make excellent sticks.I have played the Jazz model Regal Tip stick and it has a nice feel and balance to it.
Hello Ken, I enjoyed your tour of the artist stick collection. It was a real kick to see these stick models. Very nice man.
I always wanted to feel what model sticks these great drummers used .So I started this collection of drum sticks of the drummer I have known. Thanks Paul for your comment.
I love all the sticks. I love the buddy rich stick
Fun Fact: Neil Peart's first pair of drumsticks were the Gene Krupa signature models by Slingerland
Great collection.
Always fun to see what kind of drum sticks that the great drummers of the past used. Lucky for me I got to see all of these drummers live and have learned so much from them Thanks for your comment.
this is awesome
I still collect drum sticks by famous drummers to find out what they like in a drum stick. Thanks for your comment.
Ken, I truly enjoyed your video, I began playing drums in the 1960's and got a kick out of all the great models of drumsticks you have, I also have a bit of a collection myself. Keep up the good work.
It`s wonderful to see what model sticks all of these great drummers used. In the past,all of these drum companies would make drum sticks for their artist. Thanks Paul for your comment.
Very cool. Thanks Ken! Good taste in Vic Firth as well. ;)
Glad you enjoyed this drumstick collection.This is the only one on youtube showing what the great drummers of the past used for sticks.Thanks for your comment.
Very enjoyable to see all these Ken. Thank you. The ones that spoke to me were the Rogers Roy Burns model. I had a pair that Roy gave me after clinic/drum competition 48 years ago. Long gone, but I still have a signed album "Drum set Artistry" that I received also. He was a wonderfull man. Years later, I got to speak to him again at a NAMM show in LA. I never had a camera with me and never had the guts to ask Louie or Buddy for sticks back then. I should have just ordered them from the catalogs. Cheers!
Wonderful you got to see Buddy Rich,Louie Bellson,and Roy Burns.I know Roy Burns was a big Rogers guy,but in the Slingerland book by Rob Cook,he said" The Slingerland kit I used was far and away the best drums I ever owned,and the Radio King solid maple shell snare was the best snare drum". Like you,I enjoyed talking with Roy Burns and he was an excellent drummer. I have so many pictures I took of all of these great drummers,and have put them in my video`s. This is a good video I posted you can check out to see the pictures I took ua-cam.com/video/BTsnnA6nlvk/v-deo.html But I`m happy I have had my Ken Loomer Big Band for 18 years now and of course have posted 100`s of my concerts. It was always about the music first with these great drummers,and that is what I learned the most from them. Thanks for your comment Brian.
@@KenLoomer I have said before Ken, that if I ever get to your neck of the woods, I would try to find where your band was playing. I miss the big band sound. You are keeping it going. Your playing skills are top notch! I would love to park my '48 Radio King Gene Krupa deluxe #1N kit next to your '68 Sound King kit for a side by side demo at your place and post on UA-cam! Cheers!
@@brianchisnell1548 As you know Brian,I had to shut down all of my jobs because of Covid 19. I was forced to canceled the concerts I had already booked.Maybe by the end of the year I could come back. I miss playing with my bands very much and most important,the people have told me that once this is over with,they will come back.Thanks so much for your comment Brain.
I'm so happy I finally got a hold of 11A drumsticks! I've got the Joe Morello one from Promark
Pro-Mark made the 11a sticks for Joe Morello when he left Ludwig. A very good stick.Glad you found a pair.
i love the ludwig buddy rich modle and all the sticks u have
Glad you enjoyed watching my drumstick collection.Yes the Buddy Rich Ludwig model sticks are rare now and I love them since Buddy gave me these sticks in 1980 when I saw him in concert.
Great and informative video! One of the most overlooked area of a drummers arsenal.
Thanks for sharing!!! :)
Glad you enjoyed my drum stick collection.Thanks for your comment.
Thanks for sharing, Ken; great collection. Can you tell us the length of the Roy Haynes and Sonny Payne sticks? What do you think they'd compare to that's currently available? Thanks!
The Roy Haynes Ludwig 7A sticks are 15.5 inches long. Almost the same weight and feel as the Vic Firth 7A model stick. They both are 15.5 inches long. The Sonny Payne Gretsch 3D sticks also is 15.5 inches long. It has the same feel as the Regal Tip 8A model stick.
Thank you, Ken. Really appreciate the info!
Nice collection of Drum Sticks!
Like the B.R. ♡ Sticks the Best!! :)
( from: marky silva. )
These sticks are a part of drum history of these great American Drum Companies. Glad you liked this video I put together of what the great drummers of the past played. Thanks for your comment.
very nice!
What a treasure!....That's beautiful Ken.
Glad to have drummers like yourself who enjoy looking at what the famous drummers of the past used for drumsticks. At one time,these american drum companies would always make a model drumstick for the artist that used their drums. Now most drum companies do not make their own line of sticks. Thanks for your comment.
Back then class was treated with class, simple.
Ken, you are amazing for collecting these sticks, shows just how much love and respect you have for your instrument....
So cool you included your sticks too, you deserve it........nice one Ken :)
Glad you enjoyed this video. It`s been a hobby of mine to collect these drumsticks. I always enjoy the history of drums and want to learn from the past.
Lots of history! Thanks again for sharing your collection.
Nice collection of legendary sticks, even more impressive you have the original bags!
Buddy Rich gave you his sticks?! So lucky!!
Buddy Rich gave his sticks to many fans over his long 67 years of playing.The best part was that I got to see Buddy Rich live so many times.
@@KenLoomer What was your favourite song that Buddy Rich played on?
@@M4RCM0NT31R0 It would have to be Porgy&Bess Suite.It`s about 10 minutes long and it`s a great arrangement done by Keith Bishop.I did it with my Ken Loomer Big Band ua-cam.com/video/l-bz6g9HSK8/v-deo.html
Nice video, Ken. I also agree with you about the VF BR sig stick, they are quite heavy, and I know drummers would love it if there was a way to have Buddy's Pro Drum shop stick brought back, like VF did with Keith Moon's sig stick last year. I mean, they already make a BR sig stick, this can be their "BR Heritage" or "Classic" model.
I find it hard to believe he actually played a stick as heavy as the VF stick is. I know a lot of guys like that VF stick because of its weight, adding the extra Heritage or Classic BR model would give drummers a chance to check out a pair of sticks from yesterdays drummers as they played them.
Dear Ken: Nice collection indeed. Thank you for sharing. What is the longest and thickiest?
Just picked up a pair new in bag b.r. Model red letter SLINGERLAND that most looks like your pro shop buddy model.....I myself have an extensive stick collection and hope 1 day to show case and make a video .....thanks for sharing Mr Ken....I think my favorite pair has to be my Rogers blue letter buddy's he gave me yrs ago with the fulcrum indent .....
So glad to have another drumstick collector like yourself who are into the history of these classic drumsticks that these great American drum makers made in the past. The Slingerland BR model was the sticks Buddy liked the most.That is why the pro drumshop made them for Buddy. The Rogers BR model are rare and I`m sure you are happy to have a pair. Thanks for your comment Ted.
The Joe Morello 11A model from the 1970's is much thicker (more like a 5a) than it was in the 50's and '60's. I asked Bill Ludwig (2) why this was the case and he told me that when the lathe cutting knife was sharpened, the sticks would get fatter. The knife itself turned one revolution as it went across the spinning stick in the lathe. When the blade was sharpened, the blade was of a smaller diameter and when it passed over the stick it was no longer the same diameter as the pre-sharpened blade. When I asked him why not have a new cutting knife made he told me that it was very expensive to make a new knife. I never cared for the sticks from the '70's. I have some of the much thinner 11A Ludwig sticks from the late 50's and early '60's, some of which were painted white.
Excellent information on the Ludwig 11 A Joe Morello drumsticks. I have seen some of the early 60`s model 11 A sticks and you are right about it being thinner. Now I know why. Thanks so much for your comment.
Love your videos, Ken. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into them. I was wondering what you thought of Promark sticks, especially the Louis Bellson model 727. They're a little longer and thinner than a standard 5A and have a nylon tip. If you're familiar with them, what are your thoughts? Thanks
I have played on that Promark Louie Bellson 727 model stick before.For me it felt a little to light in my hands.Also I never use nylon tips since it makes the cymbal sound a little too bright. I like much better the wood sound on a cymbal. Over all Promark makes excellent sticks with so many models to choose from. Up to each drummer to find out what stick is best for your type of playing.I always like to check out the model sticks of other drummers to see if I would like it also. So far the Vic Firth 5A works best for me. Thanks Bill for your comment.
I also love Promark drumsticks and I actually have a lot of them
Hi Ken. One quick question for you.....the vic firth Buddy Rich model drumstick, how does it differ from the ludwig 15A BR model?
also there is a stick by Vater called the West Side model. It looks just like the BR vic firth signature stick but its tan instead of white.....................I really think its cool that someone like yourself would take the pleasure and the time of collecting so many sticks that are very wonderful to have. I think Joe Morello has a stick with pro-mark but I'm not sure of that.
Pro-mark 5A is what Buddy Rich used according to Cathy when I spoke to her via email one day.
She said that the BR signature vic firth stick was made for more of todays player.
Also, I really love the fact that you're taking the time to reproduce charts of Buddy's. I feel that I would love to do the same
but I mainly write all of my own charts. From one jazz lover to another ken, believe me, I would love to see you in concert,
and would love to have my own band one day that produces music similar to jazz that is still being kept alive by you and other wonderful musicians. Love all that you're doing for the jazz world. Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving!!
take care.
11:56 If anyone is interested in getting a modern day version of the Ludwig Buddy Rich Sticks, I'd recommend the Bopworks Memphis R&B Model as it's pretty much an exact copy.
Very, very impressive! I watched your video from beginning to end as I reminisced about the great drummers you mentionned and their inspiring drumming! Thank you for posting this! Do you know if Ludwig still make their sticks? Cheers!
The great drum companies from the past like Slingerland,Gretsch,Ludwig and Rogers would always make drumsticks for their artist. I think Ludwig still makes a few basic model drumsticks,which I saw on Amazon.Thanks Rafik for enjoying my video and knowing about these great drummers from the past. Like you,I learned from all of these great drum artist.
Very nice collection! Do you have a slide gauge and could you give me the diameter of the shaft and the end of the shoulder/taper and maybe the length of that Buddy Rich Ludwig sticks please?
I don`t have a slide gauge,but the diameter of the BR Ludwig stick is the same as the Vic Firth 5A model. The length is the same at 16 inches long. As you can see,the tip desighn is slim at the end,but over all,the Vic Firth 5A and this Ludwig BR Stick are almost the same weight and feel.
Interesting buddy rich models. I was talking to guy the other day and he showed me a pair of sticks that buddy used that were made by carpella I think. The model that vic copied was way to big in the diameter. I used to use the vater version of that model. I wanted it to be thinner like around .560 and I had some made and it just didn't feel right. I've been using the Regal Tip 5ax after playing all types of brands and models.
You have a great collection there.....a great treasure!!!!!!!
Thanks for enjoying my stick collection.They are a big part of drum history. Buddy Rich did use the Cappella model they made for him in the 70`s. Just to let you know,Cappella made the BR model sticks for Slingerland. Capella made sticks for Gretsch,Slingerland,Rogers and a few other drum companies. I think the Pro Drum Shop BR model was made by Cappella. This was the style of stick he liked the best. Very close to a 5A model today.
This stik collection is just so cool, and they bring back some great memories. You wrote that you play 5A, sticks and I was wonderimg if you have tried Regal Tip's Jazz x sticks There 16 and 1/8 inches long. I play them when I'm playing electric bluse/Jazz fusion and need a slightly heavier stick than a 7A .Can you get these new old stock sticks on ebay?
I play the same Vic Firth 5A sticks with my Big Band, Jazz Quartet,Trio ,or Duo. No need for me to try out different sticks since I can control all dynamic levels with this 5A model. Once in awhile some of these sticks I have in my collection will turn up on ebay. Thanks Tony for your comment.
KenLoomer Thanks for your reply Ken. I used 5 A sticks for years(still have about 6 or 7 pairs), but my main reason for changing sticks is how they feel in my hands, they are ethier to heavy or too light) Back in the early 70s I used Joe Morrello 11A. I'd like a pair of Joe's 11A sticks, but I don'f know where to find them. Your stick collection is very cool. I've learned and enjoyed most of the great jazz drummers of thr past and now with you tube i can watch them. One last question: Do you know what size sticks Tony Williams used? The three drummers I listen to and watch from the past the most are Buddy R, Joe M., and Tony W. I have to say I enjoy listening and catching you and your Big Band; keep up the good work Ken.
Sonny was Basie's drummer at his high point, not so much HJ. And believe me, he had some lower high points prior to that. Thanks for the display. Very cool!
Glad you enjoyed this drumstick collection. Yes I agree with you about Sonny Payne. One of the best Big Band drummers Basie had of all time. Thanks for your comment.
Actually,Ken!....When the first pairs of Vic Firth B.R. model came out,they
were almost identical to the Ludwig
ones!! I still have a few pairs and they
look exactly like the pair you are
displaying!!! You are definitely right
about the V.F. B.R. model they are making now!!
I did not know that the Vic Firth BR sticks when they first came out were the same as the Ludwig late 70`s model in size and weight.Wish they kept it that way. The Vic Firth BR sticks today are way too big and heavy compared to those Ludwig BR sticks I have. Thanks for the info.
Cool collection man! I own a pair of the 15A Ludwigs too! It's a shame Vic Firth couldn't have kept the specs the same! Speaking of specs can you tell me the diameter and length of the Pro Drum Shop sticks he used and or the Slingerland sticks....curious as to what stick on the market today matches those specs? Thanks! And Great Job!!
Glad to have so many drummers into this collection.It`s a big part of drum history. The Pro Drum Shop BR model is the exact size and shape of the Buddy Rich model stick that Slingerland made for him. It is 15 7/8 inches long. I find the Vic Firth 5A model is very close to what Buddy played. Also I have a pair of sticks that is made by XCELL drumstick company with the model name dave Bed Rock Classic Series which is also an exact copy of the Slingerland BR sticks. You might still buy these sticks from them.
Hi ken. Beautiful video ,it is just already a classic video :-)
I am curious if the Dave Rock's sticks are these
www.ebay.com/itm/Buddy-Rich-drum-sticks-Slingerland-copy-Free-Buddy-Rich-photo-and-Free-shipping-/322437211999?hash=item4b12c1675f:g:wHgAAOSwXshWrrkT
Glad you enjoyed my stick collection video. Yes the link you have are the Buddy Rich Slingerland copy sticks that Dave Bed Rock makes from the XCELL company. I have a pair and they are excellent sticks and the same sticks Buddy Rich played when he was with Slingerland and the same model Pro Drum Shop made for Buddy back in the 80`s.
Thanks Ken. What is the difference between the two models of buddy rich stick?
Is one better than another?
The main difference between the Ludwig BR stick and the Pro Drum Shop BR stick is the tip of the stick. The Pro Drum Shop tip is acron shaped,and the Ludwig BR stick is smooth out at the end as you can see in the video. Both the same length of 16 inches. The Ludwig stick is a little lighter in weight. For me, I like the Pro Drum shop stick better. I know Buddy liked this stick better since this is what he wanted when they made the stick for him.
Love those Buddy Rich Ludwig sticks I use the Vater West Side sticks sometimes just cause I love the tip style which is based off of this stick as well I believe. Just a little too thick tho. What are the specs of the BR Ludwig?
The Ludwig BR sticks are 16 inches long and have almost the same weight as the Vic Firth 5A sticks which I use all the time. The Vic Firth BR stick is way too heavy and thick,so I wish they made it like the Ludwig BR stick.
Try bopworks memphis R&B sticks same tip just alittle smaller I use west sides as well
very nice. i used 7a but backwards; ha. i ended up w vic firth conquistador.
on the at the top video buddy seems to be playing with the B.R. model from Pro-drum shop. It looks identical in shape bead size and color.
I don’t know what stick he’s playing
Incredible collection ! I wish I had kept all my sticks from the 70's and their packets, just threw the packets away and usually broke or wore them all out ! ........ : (
Any idea of their value ?
I have never seen a break down on what a certain model drum stick would go for. Of course the big name drummers like Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa would have more value since most people know about them and want their sticks. Sometimes these stick show up on e-bay,so it`s up to the buyer if they want to pay for what ever price the seller wants for these drum sticks.
Chers Ken, keep up the good work ....... : )
Hi Ken, Cathy Rich said that Buddy Rich played a pro mark 5A. I know he used the Ludwig 15A model but do you know if he used pro mark? Thanks for posting!
I know Buddy Rich liked the Slingerland BR model sticks the best.When he played his Slingerland Radio King drums from 1983 to 1987,he had the Pro Drum Shop in LA make him a copy of the Slingerland BR sticks.As you can see in this video,Buddy gave me a pair of those sticks. It could be that the Pro Drum Shop stop making those sticks,so Buddy went to the Pro-Mark 5A model like Cathy Rich said maybe in 86. I did see Buddy in 1986,but did not notice what sticks he had then.
I found a pair of Ruether 2b sticks at a yard sale it has the same blue ink and made in U.S.A. stamp as some you have here. It has a really thin neck and nylon tip. I can't seem to find any info on them.
I never heard of a Ruether 2b stick. Could be a local music store that made sticks.Here in Tampa,Florida a local music store name Paragon,made sticks for their store with the Paragon name.
Are the BR sticks still available at Pro Drum Shop?
The BR Pro Shop sticks were only made in the 80`s,so they do not have them anymore.
When I bought a pair of Vic Firth's Buddy Rich signature sticks, I adored them, mainly because I thought I was drumming with the real-deal sticks favoured by the man himself. They're heavier than any other stick I've used before, but if it was good enough for Buddy then I'd be willing to drum away with them - but from various internet sources (including this one) it's a little disappointing to realise my sticks are only Vic Firth's take on his sticks as opposed to having perfectly matched weights and whatnot, if only Ludwig would re-manufacture the sticks he once used they'd be doing themselves and Buddy's fans like myself a big favour. I still use the Vic Firths, without a doubt they are decent sticks, just a shame they are not legit in this sense. Thanks for the video anyhow :)
The Vic Firth Buddy Rich sticks come no where near what Buddy Rich used when he was with Ludwig in the early 80`s.The Vic Firth BR stick is too long and heavy and the white paint is not a good look or feel to the stick.They tried to copy that BR Ludwig 15A model stick with the taper tip to it,but failed to come close to what Buddy played. The Vic Firth 5A model is much closer to weight and feel to what Buddy played. I know Buddy really liked the Slingerland BR model stick best and that is what the Pro Drum Shop copied for Buddy. Maybe some drum stick company will make that stick again. Thanks Damien for your comment.
what companies made drumsticks back in the 1920's-50's for all the greats to use
The big drum companies like Leedy,Ludwig,Slingerland made their own sticks back in the 20`s to the 40`s. Then in the late 60`s to the 70`s,Capella would make the sticks for Gretsch,Slingerland,Rogers and some other drum companies. Of course now,most of the drum companies do not make their own sticks. I think now only Ludwig make their own sticks,but so hard to find them for sale.
KenLoomer thanks!
Ken, what sticks do you prefer?
The stick I use all the time is the Vic Firth 5A wood tip model. It has the best feel for me for the type of music that I play.
@@KenLoomer - Thank you!
Was the Vic firt buddy rich stick 17 inches long
The Vic Firth Buddy Rich stick is 16 inches long. I believe you can still buy these sticks.
Why have they stopped making these Ken and how do they compare to today’s sticks.
Why have they stopped making what Roy? I don`t understand your question. You know that Rogers and Slingerland no longer make drums so of course they don`t make drum sticks anymore. Gretsch and Ludwig no longer makes sticks for their artist. What are you talking about? Today`s drummers have 100`s of models of sticks to choose from today. As in the video,I choose the Vic Firth 5A model since this works best for me. No way I can compare drum stick models from the past when today you have 100`s of models to choose from.
do you still have any gretsch 3D sticks?
The Gretsch 3D model, or the Sonny Payne drum stick model which is only 15 inches long is a rare stick. I only have one pair, so I will keep it. My 1966 Gretsch Catalog listed those sticks for $1.40 a pair.
How heavy are the Ludwig buddy Rich drum sticks that he gave you
It is the same weight as a Vic Firth 5A model stick that you can buy now.
Which jo Jones is he referring too ?
Jo Jones who played with Count Basie,not Philly Joe Jones.
How much do you want for the BUDDY RICH sticks
Since Buddy gave me these sticks,of course they are not for sale.
Oh well I shall have to spend my 1.2 million on something else.
Ringo Starr sold his 1964 Ludwig drums for 2.4 million last year. Maybe you can buy his sticks! I would say the three most famous drummers of all time is 1.Gene Krupa 2. Buddy Rich. and 3. Ringo Starr. I have a pair of Slingerland brushes that Gene Krupa gave to me back in 1971. Would like to get a pair of Ringo sticks one day.
KenLoomer Iam ofcourse joking with all my comments, the sticks are a very nice collection. You also have a great collectors item
KenLoomer I live near Liverpool I visit alot. I will enquire about sticks
How heavy wer the buddy rich vic forth model the white ons
The Vic Firth Buddy Rich model sticks are very heavy and not even close to what Buddy played in his career.The Vic Firth 5A model is about the size and weight to what Buddy would use.
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I love them
yes I have the drumsticks by cappella most were made by cappella
I have WFL buddy rich sticks
I never have seen a pair of Buddy Rich WFL sticks.They must be very rare. Did it have a model number,or just the name Buddy Rich on the stick?
KenLoomer if it's the same pair he has, it just says "WFL Buddy rich model" on the sticks. They're from the 50's and I think we're from Ludwig. super hard to find. Only seen one sell on eBay for like $30