You actually meet and fight with Ash's daughter. She's Nobel, the Agent-in-training that tries to gas Robin and the ChemiCo-Contra. They share musical motifs, have similar stealth powers, and Ash is even shown watching over her during the credits.
Chrome's rebellion is more aptly described as a 'schism' in the very literal religious sense. He disagrees with the establishment's interpretations of sacred dogma and separates himself and his congregation from that establishment. Violently, in this case.
You should've gone into a bit of detail about the boss battles against Black. The first one carries both the tired apathy and the bitter utilitarianism that is prominent throughout her dialogue. Her first attack is literally to zoom up to you, grab you and slam you into the ground in a way you can't dodge, which reduces your health to critical levels, at which point she just casually walks towards you (doing the sassy "Well! What is it?" emote from Dark Souls) as enemies drop down and let you heal from the pickups they drop. The way she fights just screams "I'm pissed off at the world and I'm so tired of dealing with it."
Another beautiful example of iconoclasm is mina and samba Their whole culture, the isilugar, and their religion about procreation, the developer or the game isn't one to wear LBGT characters in his belt like medals, but it's very clear, at least to me it was, that mina and samba are lovers and this goes against their whole societal structure
The Isilugar Doctor Gustav is also an example of iconoclasm but with him it's unwilling. He's an outcast of the Isilugar due to having an illness (SDI) that effects him, any lover he has, and any child he may sire. As a result he's celibate which goes heavily against what his people believe on as well.
what part they lost. black: arms white: eyes chrome: legs silver: posibly some internal organs or maybe his tonge ash: guts grey: ears mendelevee: skin nobel: jaw and lungs (the respiratory system) lawrence: hands leticia: face fitzroy: mind
@@donbototo5068 Fitzroy wasn't an agent. He was a medium, like mother and royal. He lost his mind due to his age. He became so old that he forgot everything besides the one thing he wanted to forget. And Letícia was neither an agent, nor a medium. She was a simple failure. She hadn't lost anything, her body was just completely misformed.
@@donbototo5068 I mean, he was bald, but I don't think his hair was cybernetically replaced. Mendeleev has cybernetic hair in addition to her skin though, for what it's worth.
Dont worry, I've played the game more than a hundred times at least. My summary of the story has literally come down to "local girl oppressed by religious cult becomes so angry she kills God just to shut everyone up and go to bed"
Just played this game and holy wow is it good! One of the BEST games I’ve ever played. It actually made me feel some kind of emotion for the characters. I really started to feel bad for Black.
Another symbol of Iconoclasm is Robin being a mechanic yet throughout the whole game she never rly fixes anything besides Elro’s sink. It’s told to us that yes she has fixed things in settlement 17 however throughout the game she actually destroys and dismantling various machines, the bosses for example. Not all bosses are machines I know, but the a lot of them are. The only thing she rly technically “fixes” is the machine in the Isli labs but technically it wasn’t broken, I just needed to be charged. She didn’t rly fix up anything throughout the game at all. Even in City One, when one you talk to one of the citizens, she’s asks Robin to fix the door but Robin just finds another way around it. We never saw her fix anything... in fact, she kinda breaks the world.... well with the help of Royal.
A detail it took me a while to realize is that all the agents are named after shades of grey (Black, White, Grey, Chrome, Silver, Ash), with the lighter shades being more devoted to the One Concern and the darker shades being less devoted.
Chrome fails at the last hurdle. He tells you that people should stop idolizing other people or ideologies and rather live for themselves on their own merits... but then he still believes in HIM which then contradicts everything he said before.
Well, not fully. Chrome believed in the starworm, but he said that to stop idolizing, the leaders of this world must fall. He even admits that he thinks that the starworm knows that and comes to earth to let Chrome kill him.
I'm getting to this video late but I think you could have gone into more detail about Chrome's whole anarchy thing, the reason he kills Father and even encourages Robin to take her own life. i feel like he's painted as a bit too much of a good guy here for a man who was perfectly willing to kill members of the Isi when they refused to be converted.
Good video but I think you're really underselling the world in Iconoclasts. What it is, where humans came from, why does it look the way it does, all the intricacies of Ivory and more. There is quite a bit to sink your teeth into when it comes to the world presented in the game.
It is a Metroidvania. That isn't some slur against the content of a game; many great games are Metroidvanias. The genre of a game never says anything about how good it is or what it's about. It only gives you a sense of what the gameplay loop feels like.
Robin turned away from her dad and her brother in the end ... She's an iconaclast to family rules and structures ( haven't finished the video so don't know if he says that but yeah )
She didn't turn away from Elro. After destroying the starworm she goes back home to him. And she can decide to turn away from her father or not in the nightmare battle.
@@Phantom17685 I mean, she 'turns away' from Elro's overprotective bullshit, which didn't do much to help her (especially since the constant threat of Agent Black was heavily inspired by Elro giving her a reason to want revenge).
Well then what exactly do you call this game in a genre sense if it is "not a metroidvania"? If the gameplay has a map system with layers of exploration and hidden areas although what you find there isn't necessary to level progression, it's a metroidvania of some kind because the elements are there.
Ash is an Iconoclast. Chrome is an Iconoclast. Agent Black is most certainly not however. Even when she hates the goals of her religion and calls them stupid, she continues to uphold them up to the bitter end.
You know what weird the final boss is bird alien a fucking bird alien I did not see coming why alien did come the mc world I mean not just full but for somethings mysterious a sequel will can tell why the bird alien come to the mc world not just for full
Here's the story short: Bird alien had a fuel station in form of a planet. Humans came to this planet and started using the fuel (ivory) for their own use. They saw the bird alien ship and thought he was a starworm who brought the ivory for them, started seeing him as a god and created a fucking religion out of it.
I have very mixed feelings about this game. The story was terrible at the start I honestly hated it until near the end when it was more interesting and ended up being what I like most about the game. The combat was pretty boring most enemies were sitting ducks. I didn't get why there were so many upgrades you don't need to complete the game and only need them to do or find extra secrets later.
You actually meet and fight with Ash's daughter. She's Nobel, the Agent-in-training that tries to gas Robin and the ChemiCo-Contra.
They share musical motifs, have similar stealth powers, and Ash is even shown watching over her during the credits.
WAIT REALLY!? THAT MAKES ME FEEL BAD FOR ASH EVEN MORE
I thought Ash's daughter was agent black as the cut scene that plays after you meet him show how agent black became an agent
OOH, NOW IT MAKES MORE SENSE ABOUT THE CREDITS, I DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO NOTICE SHE HAD STEALTH ABILITIES LIKE ASH
She also tried and failed injecting Chrome with Elros serum
@@ok6330It didn't fail, it just wasn't activated until Elro used the other half of the serum on Chrome in City One
Chrome's rebellion is more aptly described as a 'schism' in the very literal religious sense. He disagrees with the establishment's interpretations of sacred dogma and separates himself and his congregation from that establishment. Violently, in this case.
You should've gone into a bit of detail about the boss battles against Black. The first one carries both the tired apathy and the bitter utilitarianism that is prominent throughout her dialogue. Her first attack is literally to zoom up to you, grab you and slam you into the ground in a way you can't dodge, which reduces your health to critical levels, at which point she just casually walks towards you (doing the sassy "Well! What is it?" emote from Dark Souls) as enemies drop down and let you heal from the pickups they drop. The way she fights just screams "I'm pissed off at the world and I'm so tired of dealing with it."
Another beautiful example of iconoclasm is mina and samba
Their whole culture, the isilugar, and their religion about procreation, the developer or the game isn't one to wear LBGT characters in his belt like medals, but it's very clear, at least to me it was, that mina and samba are lovers and this goes against their whole societal structure
I feel like I should note her that agent grey is non-binary, so black's not straight either.
The Isilugar Doctor Gustav is also an example of iconoclasm but with him it's unwilling. He's an outcast of the Isilugar due to having an illness (SDI) that effects him, any lover he has, and any child he may sire. As a result he's celibate which goes heavily against what his people believe on as well.
Every agent lost a part of their body, Black is not the only one.
Chrome lost his legs, Grey lost his ears, and White lost his eyes.
what part they lost.
black: arms
white: eyes
chrome: legs
silver: posibly some internal organs or maybe his tonge
ash: guts
grey: ears
mendelevee: skin
nobel: jaw and lungs (the respiratory system)
lawrence: hands
leticia: face
fitzroy: mind
@@donbototo5068 Fitzroy wasn't an agent. He was a medium, like mother and royal. He lost his mind due to his age. He became so old that he forgot everything besides the one thing he wanted to forget. And Letícia was neither an agent, nor a medium. She was a simple failure. She hadn't lost anything, her body was just completely misformed.
@@donbototo5068 Late reply but we see Silver in the dark cave without his hat, and he has implants around his head and ears.
@@hoodiesticks wasnt it just hair?
@@donbototo5068 I mean, he was bald, but I don't think his hair was cybernetically replaced.
Mendeleev has cybernetic hair in addition to her skin though, for what it's worth.
Dont worry, I've played the game more than a hundred times at least.
My summary of the story has literally come down to "local girl oppressed by religious cult becomes so angry she kills God just to shut everyone up and go to bed"
Just played this game and holy wow is it good! One of the BEST games I’ve ever played. It actually made me feel some kind of emotion for the characters. I really started to feel bad for Black.
Another symbol of Iconoclasm is Robin being a mechanic yet throughout the whole game she never rly fixes anything besides Elro’s sink. It’s told to us that yes she has fixed things in settlement 17 however throughout the game she actually destroys and dismantling various machines, the bosses for example. Not all bosses are machines I know, but the a lot of them are.
The only thing she rly technically “fixes” is the machine in the Isli labs but technically it wasn’t broken, I just needed to be charged. She didn’t rly fix up anything throughout the game at all. Even in City One, when one you talk to one of the citizens, she’s asks Robin to fix the door but Robin just finds another way around it.
We never saw her fix anything... in fact, she kinda breaks the world.... well with the help of Royal.
I mean, she ended up fixing the world and society by the end.
A detail it took me a while to realize is that all the agents are named after shades of grey (Black, White, Grey, Chrome, Silver, Ash), with the lighter shades being more devoted to the One Concern and the darker shades being less devoted.
Wow all content regarding this game including the game it’s self really flew under the radar
I’ve never been in a actual niche before
Chrome fails at the last hurdle. He tells you that people should stop idolizing other people or ideologies and rather live for themselves on their own merits... but then he still believes in HIM which then contradicts everything he said before.
Well, not fully. Chrome believed in the starworm, but he said that to stop idolizing, the leaders of this world must fall. He even admits that he thinks that the starworm knows that and comes to earth to let Chrome kill him.
I'm getting to this video late but I think you could have gone into more detail about Chrome's whole anarchy thing, the reason he kills Father and even encourages Robin to take her own life. i feel like he's painted as a bit too much of a good guy here for a man who was perfectly willing to kill members of the Isi when they refused to be converted.
Good video! It's nice to see a channel talk about indie games while everyone else is losing their heads over Far Cry 5. Looking forward to more!
Agh, this game has such a fantastic story. Good video.
Good video but I think you're really underselling the world in Iconoclasts. What it is, where humans came from, why does it look the way it does, all the intricacies of Ivory and more. There is quite a bit to sink your teeth into when it comes to the world presented in the game.
It is a Metroidvania. That isn't some slur against the content of a game; many great games are Metroidvanias. The genre of a game never says anything about how good it is or what it's about. It only gives you a sense of what the gameplay loop feels like.
Robin turned away from her dad and her brother in the end ... She's an iconaclast to family rules and structures ( haven't finished the video so don't know if he says that but yeah )
She didn't turn away from Elro. After destroying the starworm she goes back home to him. And she can decide to turn away from her father or not in the nightmare battle.
@@Phantom17685 I mean, she 'turns away' from Elro's overprotective bullshit, which didn't do much to help her (especially since the constant threat of Agent Black was heavily inspired by Elro giving her a reason to want revenge).
Chrome is a general(of black)not an agent
Great video for such a great game
Well then what exactly do you call this game in a genre sense if it is "not a metroidvania"? If the gameplay has a map system with layers of exploration and hidden areas although what you find there isn't necessary to level progression, it's a metroidvania of some kind because the elements are there.
That's a linear game with optional rooms. Your movement options don't open up paths to do anything in a different order.
Ash is an Iconoclast. Chrome is an Iconoclast. Agent Black is most certainly not however. Even when she hates the goals of her religion and calls them stupid, she continues to uphold them up to the bitter end.
i thought agent black is a boy until I fight her
then Mina tell me that a girl
Even Indeimaus said the same thing.
You know what weird the final boss is bird alien a fucking bird alien I did not see coming why alien did come the mc world I mean not just full but for somethings mysterious a sequel will can tell why the bird alien come to the mc world not just for full
Here's the story short: Bird alien had a fuel station in form of a planet. Humans came to this planet and started using the fuel (ivory) for their own use. They saw the bird alien ship and thought he was a starworm who brought the ivory for them, started seeing him as a god and created a fucking religion out of it.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS GAME..EVERY BUCK YOU WASTE ON THIS GAME...IS FUCKING WORTH..IM FUCKING SERIOUS..THE GAME STARTS TO SISSY..BUT THEN...
I have very mixed feelings about this game. The story was terrible at the start I honestly hated it until near the end when it was more interesting and ended up being what I like most about the game. The combat was pretty boring most enemies were sitting ducks. I didn't get why there were so many upgrades you don't need to complete the game and only need them to do or find extra secrets later.