Radiation Weapons in Warhammer - How It Works, Why It's Bad

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  • @samcaruso8529
    @samcaruso8529 3 роки тому +38

    Came for a rant about rad weapons, stayed for a good chemistry lesson

    • @angelos3277
      @angelos3277 3 роки тому +1

      As a current college student, appreciate a good chemistry lesson because believe me they are rare

    • @mikev8746
      @mikev8746 3 роки тому

      Same lol

  • @jakub_paints6775
    @jakub_paints6775 3 роки тому +34

    Pov: Death Guard marine explains what he is gonna do to you after you are captured.

  • @Jackalos1
    @Jackalos1 3 роки тому +15

    "Sodium Chloride, which of course this channel is made of" gave me quite the chuckle

  • @Feyknir
    @Feyknir 3 роки тому +28

    This has nothing to do with Warhammer, you tricked us into learning stuff about radiation :(

  • @tunguskalumberjack9987
    @tunguskalumberjack9987 3 роки тому +13

    Hey, Macca- thanks for the great video. I’m going to give anyone reading this fair warning- this is a really long comment and probably won’t appeal to many people, if anyone at all. However, if you are interested, it’s just a true account of my own experiences. Here goes-
    I’ve had a lot of experience dealing with radiation, and will try (and most likely fail) to give the most succinct explanation I can. I used to work (from 1994- 2002) for what’s known as an independent materials testing lab. We would go to different commercial construction sites, such as hospitals, offices, warehouses, supermarkets and other similar buildings, to test the construction materials and the way in which they were being used, in order for them to be compliant with accepted industry standards and in accordance with the approved blueprints and plans for the specific structure. This consisted of testing the concrete, the soils for the foundations to be based on, the strength, size, welds, and configuration of the structural steel (beams/columns and rebar), the thickness and adhesion of the spray-on fireproofing, and a hundred other things to make sure that the building would be safe and long-lasting. A lot of the testing took place on-site, but there were also tests that required the material to be sampled from the job site and returned to the lab for specific and more precise testing. So- that’s the basics of what the job entailed. For the soil, there were several different tests to be conducted, but the one that pertains to radiation is as follows: layers of soil that were to be the base for the concrete footings needed to be compacted with a vibratory roller (what most of the public call a steamroller) or a vibratory plate compactor, usually known as a Wacker (which was the most prolific manufacturer’s company name). There were specific numbers for different types of soil (some containing more sand, some containing more stone) which were the amount of soil by weight that could be contained in a 1 foot or 3 foot cube, when squeezed down to it’s maximum density. These numbers were referred to as Proctors. So once a specific area was compacted on-site, a gauge was used to determine the in-place density and would calculate it against the Proctor, giving the result as a percentage. Most jobs required the soil to be compacted to 95% or greater of the Proctor. The gauge used is called a Nuclear Moisture Density Gauge, which most people just called a Troxler, but again, that’s just a company’s brand name who manufactured the most well known models, along with the company Humboldt. The gauge itself worked by inserting a probe from the base of the gauge into the soil, and a sensor at the other end of the gauge would record the amount of radiation that passed through the soil from the radioactive element in the tip of the probe. It would compare this number to the Proctor, and you’d have your percentage results. When the gauge was not in use, the probe was retracted into the body of the gauge, where it would be properly shielded- then it had to be locked into that position, locked to it’s large shielded case, the case lid was locked, and the entire case had to be chained and locked into the bed of your truck. So, when not in use, when being transported, or when it would be out of your sight at all, it had to be locked up like that or you and your lab would be fined, and if it happened enough, they would revoke your Nuclear Testing license. In order to use the gauge, every one of us had to take many hours of classes and be tested by the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission. We also were required to wear a radiation dosimeter, to be replaced every 2-3 months (I’m not positive on how often it was, as it was a long time ago now) and sent in to a USNRC lab to read the amount of radiation that we were absorbing from our equipment. We were each assigned our own gauge, so if our dosimeter showed more than the allowable amount of radiation, they would know which one needed to be fixed or replaced. We also performed weekly or monthly “leak tests” on each gauge, for much the same reason. The radioactive element used in our equipment was Cesium, and I believe that they also used a small amount of Americium as well. During our classes, they really wanted to impress upon us just how devastating radiation sickness could be, and we not only read and were told accounts of it, but watched videos of people suffering from the unbelievable damage that it inflicts on the body. I’ve seen pictures from the case you mentioned about that Japanese man, and I have to say that it’s one of the saddest and most horrific things I’ve ever witnessed. It’s a crime that they didn’t mercifully end his life- they kept him alive to try to learn more about how radiation destroys a person. They should be imprisoned for such a thing- his remaining life was a hopeless pit of unimaginable pain and despair, and the kindest thing would have been to kill him quickly. Anyway- sorry for such a long comment, but the video’s subject really brought back a lot of memories.

    • @jackalcoyote8777
      @jackalcoyote8777 2 роки тому +2

      Why did you post this all as one paragraph?
      2 or 3 indents would help this so much.

    • @tunguskalumberjack9987
      @tunguskalumberjack9987 2 роки тому

      @@jackalcoyote8777 Because I’m an idiot, apparently 😆 Someone else just mentioned that too, but in a different (more recent) comment- honestly, I wasn’t intending to write quite so much, and I just wasn’t thinking about it when I did. I do appreciate the constructive criticism- thanks, and have a good weekend.

    • @HyperLethal0100
      @HyperLethal0100 2 роки тому

      Damn....

  • @niallking2762
    @niallking2762 3 роки тому +36

    Really interesting video. Would be nice to see more of this; deep dives into the more 'probable' weapons and equipment in 30/40k. Maybe tau railguns or imperial plasma guns? Food for thought!

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 3 роки тому +3

      Tau rail guns as described are not really any different to real rail guns, so I guess would be cool.
      Plasma weapons as described in 40k, be it imperial, eldar and tau, are science fantasy weapons. And are not probable at all. It mostly comes down to the fact plasma dissipates very quickly, unless in a containment field. And there is no theoretical way to project it like 40k plasma weapons do.
      Plasma grenades and missiles are prossible, given sufficient battery/power generation tech. Furthermore lasers irl are plasma weapons (specifically pulse lasers, but all lasers really) as the produce plasma on target {and infact along the line of attack}, on current military lasers the plasma is responsible for a decent % of the damage dorn by the laser. Such plasma weapons however are just varients of regular projectile or laser weapons however, so are not really 'plasma guns'

    • @Remi-Toruzen
      @Remi-Toruzen 3 роки тому

      Gundam does cover this with how the beam saber works even with seed where the field which allowed sabers to clash doesn’t exist (don’t ask me how the plasma was contained or the sword even keeps it’s shape as it’s never explained)
      As such the result was an energy shield to counter act the plasma weapons and defend against sabers.
      Quite interesting when it’s referenced a few times as a pilot thinks he can block or defend with his sword just to be cut apart.

    • @thewarsmith1078
      @thewarsmith1078 3 роки тому

      I've always wanted to hear one on how 30k/40k space combat could actually work

    • @TheOuterCircle
      @TheOuterCircle  3 роки тому +7

      @@thewarsmith1078 it mostly works like old wooden warships/WWI where two big ships pull up alongside one another and use conventional shells and las-weapons to see who can destroy the most structure of the other ship first. The Eldar and Necrons have hyper advanced tech, the Imperium uses scale for defence, where the mass of a ship provides survivability as it absorbs the damage with bulk, and punches weight of fire into the void to punish the fast, fragile ships of the Eldar. Chaos, hailing from the 30k era tend to use far more lance weaponry, whilst the Imperium favours bombardment and traditional ordnance. Funny enough, so do the Orks.

    • @andrewmcnally5013
      @andrewmcnally5013 3 роки тому

      40k Theories did something like that with their "Man-At-Arms" series. Good show! Do recommend.

  • @Julian_The_Apostate
    @Julian_The_Apostate 3 роки тому +18

    There's a lot of exotic and interesting weapons in 40k, but I don't have the scientific background to understand the theory behind how they're supposed to work. This could be a very interesting series, volkites, plasma, Necron gauss weapons. The possibilities are endless.

  • @walt_man
    @walt_man 3 роки тому +3

    I liked the Rad GRENADES in Chaos Gate 98'. They were a short intense burst of roads in an area. You had to use an auspex scanner to see the field. So cool

  • @charliehaines7499
    @charliehaines7499 3 роки тому +14

    Loved the video… MORE SCIENCE with TOC

  • @RussellWilliams736
    @RussellWilliams736 3 роки тому +15

    A rather random subject but an excellent video either way.

  • @Sorrowdusk
    @Sorrowdusk 3 роки тому +15

    Imagine if the *Demon Core* experiment from history was turned into a 40k weapon.

    • @RipOffProductionsLLC
      @RipOffProductionsLLC 3 роки тому +3

      Just smack to two halves together like a set symbols.

    • @TheOuterCircle
      @TheOuterCircle  3 роки тому +14

      In 40k it would be some dumb-ass legion initiation ritual.

    • @RipOffProductionsLLC
      @RipOffProductionsLLC 3 роки тому +3

      @@TheOuterCircle I mean... Astartes biology can be crazy hardy... Getting layed up with rad sickness for a few days/weeks to remind them they are still mortal could almost be considered humbling...

    • @rantymcrant-pants9536
      @rantymcrant-pants9536 2 роки тому

      Yeah, Imagine someone using a critical reaction as a weapon... ?
      I don't really understand what you are getting at here.
      It's either you've been led astray by the name 'demon core'; it's regular fissile material.
      Or you've forgotten that nuclear bombs exist, this core was made for one

    • @TheOuterCircle
      @TheOuterCircle  2 роки тому

      @@rantymcrant-pants9536 my guess is he's thinking you can have a machine which just slaps two halves together to irradiate the area before removing them to reduce the criticality?

  • @Kharmazov
    @Kharmazov 3 роки тому +2

    After watching this I've learned to stop worrying and to simply love the bomb.

  • @MonsterTomten
    @MonsterTomten 3 роки тому +6

    Came to think of the admech. Wasn't it the tech guard back in 3rd or so who in the lore only used slug weapons like autoguns etc? Because energy based weapons like plasma and las left a brief trail of electromagnetic backwash that could potentially damage circuitry.

    • @HyperLethal0100
      @HyperLethal0100 2 роки тому

      Damn thats cool background, but i think you mean "skiitarii" lol

    • @MonsterTomten
      @MonsterTomten 2 роки тому

      @@HyperLethal0100 they were also known as tech guard back then :)

  • @wiggy5209
    @wiggy5209 3 роки тому +1

    As an ex ETWE Submariner who (loves science and) qualified on the RN Vanguard class subs known for their nuclear reactors and trident missiles i look forward to the interpretation and implementation of radiation to this universe. Have had to pause this to make burgers but it will be interesting to see how your experience or/and knowledge of radiation influences your talking points.

  • @ROU-Vackie
    @ROU-Vackie 3 роки тому

    Not what i expected but, a great video! And a great refresher on radiation would love to see more of this style

  • @ianhd9396
    @ianhd9396 3 роки тому +4

    And all of the treaties just limit active warheads. There are still tens of thousands in storage just waiting for those sweet Titruim triggers.

    • @emile1365
      @emile1365 3 роки тому +1

      I misread part of your reply as "Tiberium" triggers, D'oh!

  • @bryan131
    @bryan131 3 роки тому +4

    "3.6 [roentgen] - not great, not terrible."

  • @spiceweasel8972
    @spiceweasel8972 3 роки тому

    Fantastic video!
    Also: hahaha Skitarii Vanguard go pew

  • @SamJawBone
    @SamJawBone 3 роки тому +3

    Horrifying yet fascinating. Great video.

  • @megumin1054
    @megumin1054 3 роки тому +7

    How do you know this stuff? I didn't learn this much in CBERN training. Did you study this for the video or did the Aussie military go further in NBC/CBRN training than us yanks?

    • @armholeeio
      @armholeeio 3 роки тому +5

      He was in the Aussie version of destroyer squads

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 3 роки тому +1

      @@armholeeio I believe their official name is the 'counter emu brigade'. Temporarily attached to other units when large birds are expected amongst the enemy.

    • @TheOuterCircle
      @TheOuterCircle  3 роки тому +2

      Well, the unit I was in specifically targeted NBC threats, so that's why I have a solid foundation, but nothing more; you'd spend a lifetime learning it in depth.

  • @aedwynn6474
    @aedwynn6474 3 роки тому

    In the early lore surrounding the Tyranids, their extra-galactic origin and hyper-adaptive biology rendered them incredibly resistant or immune to most bio-weapons. (Virus grenades, poisons, toxins, choke gas etc). The Tyranids however had zero special resistance against Rad. You don't screw around with radiation.
    Rad grenades in 2nd edition 40k had a random blast radius that neither player was able to look at unless they had a character with a scanner or a bionic eye. (You chose a token at random and placed it at the blast site). it tended to slow games down a bit but was an interesting idea to try and make Rad just a bit more of a dangerous gamble than conventional weaponry.

  • @armholeeio
    @armholeeio 3 роки тому +7

    But atomics are fun the play with. More of this Mac , volkite weapons maybe ?

  • @lordfrostwind3151
    @lordfrostwind3151 3 роки тому +7

    I looked up about Acute Radiation Sickness after watching the Chernobyl miniseries, Hell of a horrible way to die. I'm guessing the Death Guard ditched their rad weapon stockpile after becoming Papa Nurgle's errand boys, can't be interfering with his gifts after all.

    • @abnerdoon4902
      @abnerdoon4902 3 роки тому +2

      Would be cool to have a chapter loaded with davy crockets and blast open enemy positions with them. They would also be really crazy about sterilizing everything with radiation and flame.

    • @emile1365
      @emile1365 3 роки тому +1

      I would have thought they would have embraced them further. Given just vulnerable most life forms are to radiation, even in 40K.

    • @abnerdoon4902
      @abnerdoon4902 3 роки тому

      @@emile1365 Imagine a marine chapter that hates Nurgle so much they spam nukes.

    • @emile1365
      @emile1365 3 роки тому

      @@abnerdoon4902 Death Guard also spam chemical weapons, it's an aside from what we're talking about, but I would still consider it valid.
      But that's me.

  • @FamousJX
    @FamousJX 3 роки тому

    Fantastic video!

  • @btag3714
    @btag3714 3 роки тому

    Great video, just a little note that alpha particles are helium nuclei (2 protons and 2 neutrons) rather than just protons to the best of my understanding. Don't want to step on your shoes just checking that I'm not being an idiot

  • @Hurricanelive
    @Hurricanelive 3 роки тому +1

    This is why I'd rather be in the blast zone and just have it over with rather then the outer 3 or 4 zones and possibly most likely survive... ish?

  • @PhasedPlasmaPainting
    @PhasedPlasmaPainting 3 роки тому

    Amazing video - unexpected and super interesting.

  • @redhandsoftheviii588
    @redhandsoftheviii588 2 роки тому

    I hope the outer circle doesn’t mind but I’m gonna use it in my chemistry lesson

  • @013wolfwarrior
    @013wolfwarrior 3 роки тому +1

    You know, radiation would do really well against hive fleets.

  • @sarahdursteler4599
    @sarahdursteler4599 3 роки тому +1

    Not the best video to eat lunch to, but I persevered

    • @TheOuterCircle
      @TheOuterCircle  3 роки тому +2

      I don't know if to praise that or be concerned.

  • @gozewstuffnthings5837
    @gozewstuffnthings5837 3 роки тому

    CBRN was always a fun topic in the Army.

  • @SuperDuperHappyTime
    @SuperDuperHappyTime 3 роки тому

    I’m going to use “He’s a few electrons short of a full ring” as my new insult.

  • @GammaAKF
    @GammaAKF 3 роки тому

    Can we get s video about specialist destroyer formations in each legion? Arent Moritats grouped with destroyers in some legions like the White Scars? I can never get any good info from Willis about this and I only own one of the black books.

  • @kredonystus7768
    @kredonystus7768 3 роки тому

    If you want more detailed chemistry and don't want to go back to school then check out Professor Dave. He has great information on many subjects.

  • @Capt.DanInJapan
    @Capt.DanInJapan 3 роки тому +1

    If people want to learn a little bit more about things like atomic power or the effects of radiation, there's a channel called The Atomic Age that I found pretty good.
    I went to the trouble of searching for the aforementioned Japanese gentleman. If you don't have to, don't bother. Idle curiosity isn't a good enough reason to expose yourself to things like that.
    Back to 30k, knowing what radiation does to the human body really does make me wonder why rad missiles are so weak in comparison to some other options. It almost seems as though the - 1T should be applied on a successful hit but I suppose power armour would protect against alpha and beta radiation. On the other hand, it also makes me wish that units like Destroyers and Death Guard Morbus Poisoners had access to other radiation weapons like irad-cleansers and such.

  • @jimbones5484
    @jimbones5484 2 роки тому

    Can you tell me about the astartes emblems in the video?

  • @thra-x1855
    @thra-x1855 3 роки тому +2

    don't test nuclear weapons at home kids!

  • @calumdeighton
    @calumdeighton 3 роки тому +1

    Radiation huh. Just another day in the Death Korps. Or another day in the ruins of old Moscow. (Metro franchise reference)

  • @docvaliant721
    @docvaliant721 2 роки тому

    When Crawl was young tech priest working for sigma sigma he gets rad weapons pointed at his face and talks about feeling cancer growing on his face just from the proximity. He makes jokes so it's funny but also accurate. Everything the weapons show up for admech they talk about how they kill the users and are devastating.

  • @sagacity1071
    @sagacity1071 3 роки тому +1

    I need you to open a mecca the science guy channel with 30k jokes.

  • @darrenpritchard2740
    @darrenpritchard2740 3 роки тому +2

    Do not eat and watch past 1/2 way

  • @Theredsunrising
    @Theredsunrising 3 роки тому +2

    Just one more reason that the flesh is weak

  • @williamgoyette517
    @williamgoyette517 3 роки тому +5

    I find it funny cause orks would be basically immune, we know radiation doesn't really work on em from gorkamorka.

  • @whatevernotmatter18347
    @whatevernotmatter18347 2 роки тому

    Love this

  • @ScreamingTc
    @ScreamingTc 3 роки тому

    Christ, that episode of Chernobyl where they showed the poor workers as their bodies start to break down from lethal radiation poisoning...

  • @knarftahw
    @knarftahw 3 роки тому

    Very cool.

  • @someirishguy1662
    @someirishguy1662 2 роки тому

    Fictions a release from reality, but can also be a great teacher in our own, my biggest fear is nuclear fallout, I pray we can find empathy and kindness in ourselves to never touch the horrors of our own creations

  • @DiscourseMinis
    @DiscourseMinis 3 роки тому

    I hope this is a lesson to anyone trying to replicate Rad weapons in real life >:D

  • @ZontarDow
    @ZontarDow 3 роки тому +3

    Jimmie Carter when he was a servicemen had to go into a nuclear reactor to prevent a meltdown. Lucky for him they had an accurate idea of how long he could be in there without it being unreasonably dangerous.

  • @Noxims47314
    @Noxims47314 3 роки тому +2

    Huzzah, education.

  • @markmartinez1905
    @markmartinez1905 3 роки тому

    As much as I enjoy the salt videos i also love this education video too

  • @brastionskywarrior6951
    @brastionskywarrior6951 2 роки тому

    the salamander's fire fetish doesnt seem so bad now eh

  • @MEATOGRE
    @MEATOGRE 3 роки тому

    Today, I learned things.

  • @lordmalal
    @lordmalal 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the nightmares

  • @Thelordofalldarkness
    @Thelordofalldarkness 2 роки тому

    Scarry shit, I know its fiction in 30k and 40k but when you think of what they do in real life now thats grim.

  • @tomcartwright5524
    @tomcartwright5524 3 роки тому

    Flashbacks to GCSE chemistry

  • @HyperLethal0100
    @HyperLethal0100 2 роки тому

    Like a gamma rayyyyy ahhhhaaaaahhhhhhh

  • @wiggy5209
    @wiggy5209 3 роки тому

    Those cyclonic and other weapons are limited in number, if you have a resource and technology to produce another weapon that could achieve different goals from others ...you should have them, esspecially when youre going up against a universe of countless xenos

  • @HellbenntTube
    @HellbenntTube 3 роки тому +1

    Why do they keep buggering this uo
    Everyone that’s worked in a Norwegian dirty water plant knows you just cover it with Jerry cans

  • @loltwest9423
    @loltwest9423 3 роки тому

    Well, this was a pretty nice chemistry lesson...horrifying, yes. But a good chemistry lesson nonetheless.

  • @cornchaptermasterofcarmine5902
    @cornchaptermasterofcarmine5902 3 роки тому +4

    Hisashi got Ouchi'd

  • @Cynidecia
    @Cynidecia 3 роки тому

    very spooky

  • @bbtdltd8081
    @bbtdltd8081 3 роки тому

    Admit it macca Yahoo Serious based Young Einstein on you !

  • @jamesthelamenter5464
    @jamesthelamenter5464 3 роки тому +5

    I've always wondered why the warhammer 40k universe used radiation based weapons...
    You would think they would be counterproductive in a great crusade to uplift humanity in the galaxy.
    Given that radiation causes unrepairable amounts of environmental damage and biological problems.

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 3 роки тому

      Because grimdark

    • @dakotaa7535
      @dakotaa7535 3 роки тому +3

      Aren't rad weapons described as basically last resort weaponry in the lore? Where the option is to either scour the land for a few millennia or lose it to xenos? An unsavory and unpleasant option, but one used to send a message, or as a last resort.

    • @ProtomanButCallMeBlues
      @ProtomanButCallMeBlues 3 роки тому

      @@dakotaa7535 They're just kind of written into a plot with no rhyme or reason like the Death Korps fluff for extra shock and awe. The only faction that has an in depth radweapon lore is the RakGol in my opinion. The Imperium basically scoffs at them for using unshielded rad weapons and ships as bordering savagery beneath the Orks. But some of their weapons like the rad-axe is basciallly a power sword, only it glows red use the radiation to make the fight easier.

    • @wiggy5209
      @wiggy5209 3 роки тому

      40K isnt about uplifting humanity at this point but if you were to talk about radiation weapons and their uplifting properties you could look at the evolution the creation of such things have accelerated Not all scir fi battlefields are fought for the land and the land alone. We are talking about a universe with millions of worlds so one being irradiated for a reason isnt as bad as if they just had earth. You could go up against xenos that could only die from a specific side effect or type of radiation experience ...if it doesnt pull too much resources from other weapons and helps use up other resources ...its best to be as diverse as possible.

    • @aleksander5279
      @aleksander5279 2 роки тому

      Well, radiation weapons were implemented very rarely. Most often by the likes of Death Guard...

  • @Weapon01
    @Weapon01 3 роки тому +4

    >grins in Death Guard.

  • @HyperLethal0100
    @HyperLethal0100 2 роки тому

    LOVE ME SOME LORE SHIT FROM MACCA

  • @Tarmenell
    @Tarmenell 3 роки тому

    And if you want to see it visualized, just watch the third episode of the Chernobyl series.

  • @chikhai
    @chikhai 3 роки тому +2

    Weird ASMR but okay.

  • @kurthasedd7923
    @kurthasedd7923 3 роки тому

    I enjoyed this more somber video, it goes to show you why even some primarchs in 30k are hesitant or even have bans on rad weapons in their legion arsenal.
    I do think you missed over a type of bomb you should have covered in this video, the salted warhead. None have ever actually been produced (or at least officially) but it has lived as a theoretically conceived, psycho-mad scientist weapon where using certain kind of agitators such as cobalt a warhead can have a relatively small yield, but disperse highly radioactive material half lives of over I think 106 years. This type of bomb actually has been the inspiration for many sci-fi settings that take place generations after a nuclear war, like fallout and obviously 40k and I don't know for sure but I think that from some descriptors of certain rad bombs that these would fall into the category of salted weapons

  • @NT-wg1fg
    @NT-wg1fg 3 роки тому

    Hahhahahahah! The SALT

  • @NT-wg1fg
    @NT-wg1fg 3 роки тому

    Hahhahahahah! The SALT