Thanks for being so brave Nuriyah! My ex used Talaq as a weapon against me, and there are many crazy stories that I have from my marriage! He was preaching in mosques and secretly had girlfriends and a porn addiction. Of course, as he is a man he had the full support of his mosque and family, and I was portrayed as crazy. Last month I got full justice from the courts here in the divorce process. The ex got a full telling off by the judge! Would I have gotten justice in a Muslim country? Nope, never! I have 5 kids and he had wanted to discard me and take them to Pakistan. Our culture and religion totally support this disgusting, degrading treatment of women. I recently started an Islamic Trauma Healing online space for Muslims with Religious Trauma as I had difficulty getting the support I needed. Becoming religious really hurt me. I'm happy you are speaking out, so other women have this awareness. Never knew Dubai was that bad. Thanks for sharing.
You left your religion, your belief system for a religion that clearly says that non-Muslims will go to hell, and more than that idol worshippers will burn in hell. So when you get disconnected from your roots, you weaken yourself. We have so many cases in India where non-Muslim women are being targeted by Muslim men with pseudo names but then,these women have no rights as they are not Muslims. Global media tragets those who are trying to educate people about this crisis because we live in a highly politically motivated world.
I have British friends that have worked in Dubai. They fall into 2 distinct groups. Those that loved it, liked the lifestyle, the extravagance, the wealth. Those that hated it, saw the inequality, saw how much of a facade it was, saw the fascism.
@@alundavies1016 would that everyone fell in that second camp. Good lord, the way some people turn a blind eye to (and often willingly profit from) suffering and injustice is something I will never understand.
@@Rain_Reign What I find odd is that we seem to born the way we are in that respect, and neither side can change even if they want to. This life is something else.
One of the things that I love about Shelise is she actually lets the guest tell her story. The questions she asks are more to help clarify things as opposed to putting her own inference. It’s very organic.. keep up the good work❤
As a Roman Catholic I know their is a lot of good in religion. But there are evil people in it , just like in all walks of life eg evil police man . However as my father would say any religion who says its OK to marry & abuse a 9yr old . Can only be the Devil s religion. I for one agree with him
I remember speaking to a recruiter about a job in the UAE and it was my mother who was like, “are you crazy? You can’t manage there as a single woman!” Now I understand even more!! Thanks for sharing your story!!!
They were British Pakistani Muslims and were more liberal in their thinking. Her father’s job took them first to Saudi Arabia and then to Dubai. But they are British citizens and their base was Britain. There are millions of non-practising Muslims born to Muslim parents in secular countries. I am one of them. I don’t practice Islam and have embraced spirituality and metaphysics.
They were British Pakistani Muslims and were more liberal in their thinking. Her father’s job took them first to Saudi Arabia and then to Dubai. But they are British citizens and their base was Britain. There are millions of non-practising Muslims born to Muslim parents in secular countries. I am one of them. I don’t practice Islam and have embraced spirituality and metaphysics.
A nurse I work with worked in Riyadh at a hospital overlooking an oval where punishments took place. She said she could see people being decapitated from there. She also commented on the number of women admitted classified as attempted suicide who had stab wounds to their backs
That's crazy because the area chop chop city women are not allowed to watch. I lived there 35 months and did not see that. My husband was a radiologist there for over 12 years. He knew the place but women were forbidden to watch, go to funerals, etc
I could walk from my home to The Clock Tower. (Chop Chop Square). I went there but never on Friday. The thing that frightened me the most was the Islamic Police. (The Religious Police)(Wutawa) They could just pick you up off the street. I walked almost every place. The few times that I took a Taxi was with several other females and we always stayed together. I got out in a very tricky way....sh%#ting a brick until the plane was in the air. THEN they kept calling me in North America to return and I was threatened with the statement (The Saudi government has a long memory)...I would never set foot in any Middle Eastern country all these years later
@jacquelinemarie; Israel is quiet different, I lived there as a young Scandinavian woman both in the Arabic areas and later in Jewish areas. It was never frightening or scary in either places. I travelled through the whole country numerous times with my backpack. My friend did the same in Marocco and she said it was the same there,nothing to be afraid of. So there ARE peaceful countries for tourists in the Middle east. Allthough NOW I don't know if it will ever be safe again to go to Israel...and imagine IF it becomes Palestine...then they will become a new sharia-country.
@@mrsTraveller64 Morocco is not in the Middle East. If I wanted to travel to a Middle Eastern country that is relatively safe for women travellers I'd go to one that hasn't achieved that by committing genocide, e.g. Lebanon. Although not right now because Israel is threatening their peace.
Anytime someone needs to escape a horrible situation and can’t bring their animal, my heart breaks even further. So proud of this strong woman for how far she has come.
When she said this part, my feelings let loose, so sad what she went through but deserve praise how she decided not to give up, much respect from the bottom of my heart, blessings flow❤
Considering that dogs are considered unclean and are not even supposed to be in the house, I imagine that dog was likely put out on the street, or worse.
I went on a 4 months long business trip to riyadh and dubai in early 2000. The sheer gaudiness, obscene display of wealth, and inequality not just in terms of wealth but also basic human rights, shocked me.
I had a phase where I became fascinated with Islam. I bought books and clothes and even began learning Arabic. I’m so grateful I woke up and realized what I was supporting. These interviews just go to show us that us westerners have no idea what we’re getting into. We have freedom and we can’t fathom that many other countries don’t, to a point where I became supportive of the very thing used to take away other less fortunate peoples’ freedom
sometimes we take things for granted because we always had the options. We get fascinated by the rituals, by the unfamiliar and trust we can find a sense of belonging. I hope you're doing alright.
You're right, abrahamic religions are dangerous and are usually used to oppress women and increase wealth inequality. These religions have absolutely no place is government or law, and extremism doesn't have a place in society. I had the same realization when I got curious about Christianity and got exposed more to the trad movement.
I am studying Islam, its history, the Quran and meanings. I don't speak Arabic but have signed up to learn its meanings. So far (over one year) nothing bad, only positive. No one pushes me to do anything. My husband is agnostic. We are Canadians. How much of this is cultural?
@@SKyser-i5k do u even hve common sense?? coz another comment u made, that u hve seen Caribbean mslim women doing what caribbean mslim man do... stop masquerading as nonmslim. 😑 fool some1 else. btw how many chapters did u read?
Ikr imagine if her family were also pushing her to stay with her husband, many women are living like that in the Islamic world 😕 between a rock and a hard place
It is so powerful and validating to hear this experience from a non-Saudi and a younger generation woman. I am honored to have connected with these two incredible women, Shelise and Nuriyah- so grateful to have been a guest on both of your shows. Let’s keep the conversation moving with this level of truth, integrity, and courage 🙌💪💛
Not quite true!! What rights is the woman giving up if she ask for divorce!!! If there is any deal barker in the husband she can divorce him easily If only she decided to divorce him for no valid reasons and he didn’t have an intercourse with her then she have to give him the dowery full
@@Hannah_BananaStandThis is not true... the mother has the right to physical custody od the children. If she gets married to someone else then only the father gets custody. This is to protect the children from any possible abuse from the new husband.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that is hilarious!! I never felt safer anywhere in my life as in Kingdom of Saudi Arabia!!!& i wandered around freely all hours of the day and night!!!!
It's so telling how certain folks in the comments are defending Islam saying, "noooo she's lying and doing it wrong!" Your holy book prescribes extreme violence for transgressors and is HORRIBLE about women. There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing in Allah/God, but let's not pretend that the majority of modern interpretions are all wholesome, peaceful, and moral.
@lanazh2443 Explain MAGA -- which is the religious right trying to enforce their way of life on all of America. Trumpism is the Christian version of Sharia law...
I am so afraid for the women that speak out who have lived through Sharia Law. I am deeply saddened that there are so many women living through this. Instead of males that are fighting ages claiming asylum in America we should be taking all these women who are in these situations around the world.
There is some christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. You can find podcasts where these pastors explain their plans on the channel "right response ministries". They want very similar penalties for the same crimes, because that`s what it says in the old testament. Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christian nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the president has immunity, it will go on with the power grab that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these kinds of laws here in the US.
There is some christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. You can find podcasts where these pastors explain their plans on the channel "right response ministries". They want very similar penalties for the same crimes, because that`s what it says in the old testament.
@@anthill1510The Old Testament doesn't say women should wear the Hijab. That's Muslim not Jewish. Sharia law is in the Q'ran; not in the Old Testament.
@@anthill1510But I agree w you the hard right Christians overlap a lot w Muslims when it comes to women's rights. Take abortion for example. Judaism is prochoice. Rabbis decided a long time ago that the life of the mother matters more, & that a baby isn't a new life till it's halfway out of the mother during labor.
I’m disgusted that American tourists visit Dubai. How can you support a place like that with your tourist dollars, knowing what’s going on underneath the surface? It’s outrageous to me.
She described Islam perfectly. I'm an ex-Muslim. I know firsthand how terrifying Islam is. Leaving Islam is punishable by death. Being or confessing to being an atheist, is punishable by the death penalty; even if you change from Islam to another religion. Criticizing Islam is punishable by imprisonment which comes with lashings, and may lead to the death penalty. Heresy is punishable by imprisonment, lashings and probably the death penalty. Being gay, not much about being lesbian is punishable by the death penalty. Doing drugs or selling drugs is publishable by the death penalty. Murder in Islam is negotiable; for example: if it is for honour killing they don't get charged. The list goes on.
This story needs to be made into a movie. My heart was POUNDING during the part when she was trying to get on the airplane. It is so horrifying to think about how differently it could have gone if she hadn't been able to escape. Thank you for sharing your story. This needs to be told everywhere so people can see the horrible consequences of a society that only values women as property.
What she says around 1:10:22 is very similar to how I felt when realizing what this religion really is. Thanks so much for these videos - this support is needed. I left Islam almost 15 years ago. I was raised very religiously and prayed five times a day, fasted, ready Quran, etc. I was born and raised in the west but even so I don’t feel safe letting my family know. My father let me know if one of his children leaves we will be disowned and he also said if someone leaves they should be shot. It took me about 3 years of learning to finally leave Islam. I used to stand up for the religion but then started to think about it logically - it’s obviously man made to serve their prophet. I’m much older now but am still in the closet. I pretend to believe because of fear of what my family and the community would do. Thankfully I was able to marry a “convert” because I knew if I married someone who followed the religion it would be game over for me. I just wanted to move out of my parents house so I could have a bit of freedom. Please keep spreading this information. You are all so brave & you are helping those that need it.
On Reddit, this guy created a thread (under AMA: Ask Me Anything). He is Muslim, living in Saudi, but also in the closet like you. He doesn't believe in Islam anymore, but is too afraid to tell his family, friends or employers because of the consequences. So he pretends and goes along with it. So he invited people to ask him questions about this and what it was like. It was a sad, but interesting, read. I take it your husband is also in the closet as well, right? How sad and strange you both have to play this game, especially as you now live in a western country.
When studying at university in the US, I took a class on Islam (because I knew nothing about it), which was taught by a female teacher who wasn't Muslim, but seemed to know basically everything about Islam anyway. She taught it very apologetically, talking about how scientific Muslims used to be before the Crusades killed all of their intellectuals, how spiritual it is that they pray five times a day, and how we should all admire them and try to be more like them regardless of our religion (mind you, this was a Catholic college, so assumedly, most of the students were some sort of Christian denomination). However, she glossed very casually over a lot of the treatment of women, saying things like, "Female circumcision is just a misunderstanding of the text," etc. Then, she brought in the Islamic leader of the area (a man), who spoke to us about the misunderstandings of Islam, how he's trying to help their reputation recover, etc. but then when he went to leave, our prof said, "Even though he's a good friend of mine, he still will not shake my hand because I'm a woman-- but that's okay!" At the time, I was very impressionable and thought that that must just be how it is for them and that maybe they all feel differently about it than I did. Now that I'm watching this series on your channel, I'm starting to think twice about assuming that Muslims are all okay with this treatment, and maybe there's more to it than just what a liberal arts college can teach. I used to want to go to Dubai so badly, but when I started to hear about all of the very conservative laws, I let that dream die. I thought about how I couldn't hold hands with my partner in public, and that I couldn't even book a hotel room with someone of the opposite sex whom I wasn't married to. Even in the most religious, backwoods areas of the US, you never will be told that you can't book a hotel room with your partner if you aren't married. Seeing how celebrities like Lindsay Lohan have begun to completely change their identities after living in Dubai made me question just how deep this rabbit hole went, but hearing of your experience, it makes perfect sense. It really brands itself as this Instagram utopia, but in reality, it's just really oppressive and shiny. I really never thought much about people's personal choice to convert to Islam until I watched a UA-camr (that I had previously watched for years but seemed to disappear off of the face of the Earth) tell her story about how she was more or less tricked into converting to Islam and moving in with her husband overseas, and how she had to escape from both him and the country at the same time whilst keeping their children safe. A similar thing happened to a friend of mine (also from the US) who took that very same Islam class with me. She had a really rough home life and struggled with her mental health whilst in university, but when she discovered our Islam class, she became *very* involved in the culture. Eventually, she met a Saudi man whom she officially converted to Islam for in order to marry, married him, and then moved with him back to his home country. I had been keeping in touch with her online until one day, all of her social media profiles disappeared, and I never heard from her again. I still wonder what happened to her, but I know that if she did have trouble getting away, she would have no one back in the US to save her; her family had no money, she barely had any living relatives, and aside me and a handful of classmates, she didn't really have any friends. I think that it's a lot more complex than an outsider can truly understand, but to act as though it's just a "different culture" and to assume that people of that world are just okay with everything is ignorant. I realize now (especially after these past few interviews) that a lot of what westerners have just begun to gloss over are serious issues that need to be addressed. There are literal humanitarian crises happening that westerners just don't want to acknowledge because they've been made to feel that they don't have the authority to speak about them, and it's such a disservice to those living through things like this, especially women who have *no* voice in all of this. I think that if we'd be just as concerned about a woman being controlled within Christianity, we should be concerned about a woman being controlled in *any* culture, *anywhere* in the world. It's terrifying to think that we've just turned our backs to an entire people crying out for help based on their geographical location.
There is no female circumcision allowed in Islam. If anyone does it, it's cultural and wrong. It's absolutely against Islam. Also, Christian woman do not need to convert to marry a Muslim man. That man lied to her.
You should never learn about Islam in schools because you get nothing but lies and not the true Islam. Just read the Quran and Sahih Al Bukhari hadith, the most trusted Islamic sources- there is the true Islam: order and support of slavery, child marriage, killings of the infidels, and wife beatings and polygamy!
I’m so happy to hear she had the support of her family!!!! I was raised Muslim and thankfully have very moderate Turkish parents. I married a Muslim Lebanese and through him I learned deep Islam and am no longer supportive of this cult. It’s tough because being a Muslim is what I’ve known for 35 years but I just can’t label myself as someone part of this. Having supportive parents means the world. Also, my husband and I are on the same page…thankful for that as well. The way she speaks about how the thought process is just engrained in you with living your daily life, sayings, conspiracy theories etc. Is so true. You have to stop yourself from that way of thinking. For me the biggest thing was getting over the fear that Islam teaches. We were raised to fear and try to stay away from the fire of hell. It’s definitely an adjustment.
someone told outright lies and you believed it she's Afghan woman telling these lies to get citizenship in west, every person have their own experience, opinion & conviction don't fall for it She's so humane that she supports genocide of Palestinians
Western converts forget that they have a choice to wear hijab or not because the constitution of western countries which protects them from someone enforcing religious rules on them. In Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and many other majority Islamic countries, women do not have the option to not wear hijab. They are either enforced by a religious police (Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia) or by the common public who will make women wear a hijab or burqa; otherwise, they cannot walk on the street. I hope someday the reverts open their eyes.
Dear NURIYAH KHAN, Did you ever think WHY a team of FOUR (4) MALE POLICE OFFICERS (MUTAWAH) used to come to your house? As you said (Hope I understood it correctly.), they were trying to CHARGE YOU of ADULTERY. They NEEDED FOUR MALE EYEWITNESSES! So, they came WELL PLANNED and WELL PREPARED!
Protect Nuriya at all cost. So well spoken and she speaks the truth. Love that this is finally becoming mainstream, sad it's taken so long but better late than never. Shalise thank you for bringing this to the masses! Love Nuriyah ❤🇬🇧
Listening to this is stomach churning. These poor women, our sisters , have to live under such violence and suppression, all in the name of a screwed up religion run by sociopathic men.
The difference in her story to many other Muslim women is that she had family support leaving an abusive marriage. Secondly when she became an apostate her family respected her decision and didnt disown her. These two things aren't the norm in Musim cultures it's a rarity.
@user-qj9wu3er8e I know this for a fact. Look at the comment under this video by muslim mum of 5 trying to get divorced. The thread is full of other Muslim women invalidating her experience. All of them think we can't easily access fiqh books. Or the descriptions of how women were dehumanised by Muhammad and his men preserved in their records.
@@Stardust475I am a female Muslim and have studied Islam at length and no such thing exists. Show me. I dare you. Perhaps their protection of women seems overwhelming to you in this day and age, but never to directly disrespect them. We never talk about Christianity and especially Judaism who have strict rules too. It is a rarity for abuse, it DOES happen, but Saudi men are, for the most part, gentlemen who spoil their daughters and wives. My SO is a practicing Muslim. He is super kind and has a good balance. There are awful people everywhere. It’s only us that get picked on for the minority of shiteheads. I would say the worst representation comes from the south Asians who use their culture and claim it as religion. I’ll give you an example. Our fathers are considered our guardians and we don’t need to cover up in front of them. Arab and other women don’t. For a fact. South Asian families a lot of the time don’t allow their daughters to wear pyjamas in front of male family members which isn’t even a thing in Islam! You’re not supposed to make a relaxed thing hard. Or as we say a halal thing haram. There needs to be a change.
So many women who don't have money or family support would never have been able to escape this or maybe even realize that they truly deserve to live their own lives :(
I'm so glad she was honest about Islam. I worked with a few former Muslims who were very open about how barbaric, violent, abusive, and oppressive it really is. They all said it as bad, or worse, than anything we in the west have heard or seen.
13:05 Nuriyah is referring to migrant workers that come to Saudi Arabia from poor Asian and African countries. SA of domestic maids is rampant in these places justified via Sharia and dysfunction because of strict segregation.
In January 1991, I was in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, with the U.S. Army. My fellow service members and I were allowed to go to Saudi stores in Dhahran without chaperones. On Fridays, my U.S. Army company commander warned us before going to the stores. He said if we were in the stores after Friday prayers, the mutawa (religious police) with long sticks would round us for the weekly amputation and beheading. And we had to comply with the mutawa. I left the stores long before the punishments happened and was back in the U.S. military area at al-Khobar Towers.
Shalise..On behalf of everyone thank you to you and Jonathan for the work you 2 put into these..this channel is amazing, informative and eye opening. I tell everone who will listen about it ❤❤❤❤❤❤
I agree with many of the things you are saying. I was an American Christian woman married to a Saudi man. We met in America then moved to Jeddah in 1996 with our 5 children I stayed within the national population no compound!! Sometimes I worried about my safety but thank God nothing bad happened🙏 Because the last two years there he was not a good husband/Father. We barely had food he would just leave and not come back for days at a time so me and my kids would wander the streets to just get out of the house!! Play in empty parking lots etc go to a few stores on my own!! We did use the street drivers/taxis now I see how dangerous that was by what you said. The men there have no self control over their sexual lusts. The windows there have bars on them and if you stand at the windows and a man may see you I had guys masturbate if it was night!! It was disgusting I would just go grab some eggs and throw them at the guys and then just moved away from the windows!! I stayed for 7 years and I was finally free to go with my 5 kids back to America to God be all the glory 🙏🙏🙏 He’s never seen his kids since or paid for them!! But I can relate to what life is like there. I hope things are better there for women now?? I know a lot of foreign women stayed because of their kids I’m glad I got out 21 years ago✌🏼
As a pagan this channel is a real eye opener. A lot of brave people on here. This woman’s story was freakin horrifying. Thanks for allowing sacred space.
@@CultstoConsciousness FeIt like had it among the most, even though grassroots and humbIe, always labeled as a certain kind of force but the ones labeling were the ones doing, a kind of washing technique.
@@nicolem2877 it is exclusive to Christianity and Islam... Just look how UA-cam behaves against people who tell the truth about Islam and Christianity... Account are deleted, demonitized etc...
No that’s not the case at all I’m not hurt I’m just more of why is the world spreading fake lies that’s what it is Islam does only protect the world and all of the things she said in that video were complete lies because I’m living here and I have the perfect life life is great and I don’t know how you guys even believe this stuff because it literally sounds bullshit like if you just like listen to it for a second it literally sounds bullshit do a little bit more research try reading the Quran
brain washed to think that 2 billion muslim follow hollywood version of islam 😂😂to be ignoorant is hard now days but some westerens think africa is country
12:25 this is one of my biggest traumas living in a Muslim nation. A hanging and set on fire while still breathing for stealing a $5 boom box. The smell lingered. So did the back of mosques where this happened. But it was just part of life. And you just dealt with it. I agree with her about Islam as it is suppose to be practiced.
@@CultstoConsciousness it is. Worked through it via EMDR not to be triggered by the burning smell of dust when heaters kicked on. Living under these laws is hard to explain. Again thank you for sharing these stories and giving a voice to a topic that most are afraid to touch in our country.
@@CultstoConsciousness love your interview style as well! Some folks are so eager to jump in and it takes away from the survivors story, you give them space and grace. Keep up the great work!
It isnt considered to be that because its from their book. Because of that its considered halal/"allowed". That is the type of law the group at war & those in the surrounding countries want for the rest of the world. Well except they all want the most extreme form that calls for the "offing" of all those who reject it
@@kristiskinner8542I’m a “liberal/nominal Muslim” whose family is from a secular but Muslim-majority country. Half of my family is secular but ethnically Jewish, also from the same Middle Eastern country. I think it’s important to note that there are 2 billion Muslims and there are so, so very many of us who have left the stone age rules and verses where they belong and are pursuing a modern, humanist view where we take the life lessons about kindness and forgiveness from the Kuran with us and leave the rest of the bullshit behind. It is sad to me that neighboring countries still practice an incredibly archaic, misogynistic, extremist interpretation of Islam. Being raised around the faith of Islam and Judaism in both my home country and in America, the stories of these women always give me chills as sharia has been banned in my home country for over a hundred years, but had fallen into disfavor and was abandoned long before it was illegal on paper. My husband is from a more conservatively Muslim country and while there are many people there who lead more Western lives, unfortunately many politicians and enclaves lean more hateful and extremist. I fully support these survivors coming forward and sharing their stories, because sadly, like in most major religions, the sick and twisted extremist views come out to play and leave tragedy and oppression in their wake. I’m not attempting to argue or be disrespectful, but I feel like your comment paints all Muslims as practitioners and believers of extremist sharia and the misogyny, antisemitism, and hate it promotes, while wanting to spread that message worldwide. While those groups (like the ones at war now) sadly do exist, and while I fully accept and support critique of Islam as I consider myself to be a critic of many facets of the faith and book myself, I think it’s important to remember there are MANY muslims who are fighting against the extremist and archaic views tooth and nail, and the vast majority of Muslims I have come across in many different countries are just as terrified of islamic extremism and sharia as any non-Muslim reasonably should be. Again, not trying to argue, and valid critique of any religious movement is valid and incredibly important. I just don’t think we should generalize when speaking about any one faith, as Shelise has mentioned in many of her videos.
@@cors2526I get what you’re saying, but I also don’t think that all religions are created equal, and thus all religious beliefs should not be respected. It’s possible that the foundational beliefs of a religion are so at odds with modern society and human rights that it is not redeemable. It’s just hard for us to reconcile with Islam because the religion is 1,400 years old. It’s much easier to dismiss a new age religion/cult with extreme beliefs than an established religion. Even in Indonesia, which is considered a moderate Muslim country, 72% of Muslims believe Sharia law should be the law of the land (according to pew research center survey).
@@CarolineRichardson-j1f I wouldn’t consider Indosenia to be a moderately Muslim country at all, but that’s just based on my experience with the faith. I don’t think all religions are created equal, but it’s against my personal beliefs to demonize an an entire group of 2 billion people (religion aside as I don’t consider myself to be a very religious person as my family is multifaith). Most big religions, including all of the Abrahamic faiths and the two I was raised in, have extremist sects that sadly prioritize oppression, brainwashing, misogyny, and hatred. I get where everyone is coming from, it’s just my personal belief not to dislike or demonize an entire group of people based on faith, as everyone is different and I know plenty of Muslims, Jews, and Christians who abhor their extremist groups just as much as anyone else
Nuriyah, i'm so glad you got out safe! I too deconstructed because of a divorce. I got out of a toxic/abusive marriage and seeing how my religion failed me led me to do the same as you. I am blown away by the similarities between our experiences even though I was raised in conservative Christianity. Good gravy. Thankfully because i was divorcing in America i didn't have to deal with police abuse and sharia law. But irnwas still super scary and traumatic because I thought i was wrong to leave an abusive relationship.
Imagine if Nuriyah did not have a British passport, she would be trapped with this man, or arrested. Shame on Dubai authorities for being so oppressive & misogynistic. I really appreciate Nuriyah's courage to speak up. I am Jewish, I know how radical and dangerous the Islamists can be.
@@kreed3494 omg, I didn't realize they are so backward. I am Israeli-Canadian. There was a peace agreement btw UAE & Israel recently. Israelis visit this country. UAE tries to sell the image of being a modern country. Obviously this is not true.
That’s the issue with westerners, these things have been known about the middle east forever!! Even a third world person like me has known these things since mid 90’s!! I would expect a first world and informed person like you to know these things right?? We are lead to believe that the first world has all these opportunities and stuff we don’t have access to so I’m not supposed to be knowledgeable about history and religion!! That’s the reason why the west is dying because they have forgotten what made them great!! Now we have to save the west from it self!!
Wow I had heard about culters who have cut off limbs for stealing but to hear someone from this community telling her side of what she's lived in. With her telling her side of the story it makes me open my eyes to more of things I never knew what was truly going on
These things has been widely written about in media because lf the severe human rights violations, as well as women rights which is basically none existing. I'm glad you heard about it now at least.
You think that`s just happening somewhere else under muslim regime? The old testament has the same laws and there is christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. They want public hangings, people being stoned and the death penalty for homosexuality. You can find podcasts where they explain their plans here on youtube on the channel "right response ministries". Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christain nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the presidet has immunity, it will go on with the power grab that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these draconian biblical laws.
You live in a coddled society and are removed from the real world. Theft can mean the death to a whole family. A bunch of raiders steal your last cows or lambs. That was your family's wealth/food. Now that's it your family may not survive. Welfare doesn't exist.
I almost married a Turkish man...and while they are more liberal, I am still happynit didn't happen... I was also into Islam for some time...God, I am happy I stopped with it and stayed with my own belief system
In India we just had general elections. So there was an email from the community motivating people to go vote. I thought to myself who do we vote for? A party begging for Muslims votes and promising them the return of triple talaq and the right to hijab. Forget it. Better that party lose.
Don't worry you're safe in India no one have that much dare to use triple talaq other nonsense.but what I concern is rape cases gov should make a strict law
The best decision in my life was leaving islam. I have wasted my life praying for a fake god that would torture everyone no matter how much they pray to him best decision ever done
@Bouba-ru7pf Allah has nothing to do with God, it's just something that Muhammad used to manipulate pagan Arabs. A bit of al-Lah, a bit of Judaism, a bit of Christianity, and a lot of Muhammad's desires. Wake up man.
I hope you reach out to the western converts/reverts who are boasting about hijab and naqab and dreaming about sharia in western countries ,If you see tik tok its filled them , I do not understand what is happening.
Young people especially are more inclined to be radicalized when it comes to any belief system. I think it comes from a feeling of superiority…I cling to this religion’s rules to a fault and it tells me I’m right and you’re wrong. We’ve all been young and you can see how that feeling of superiority can appeal to them.
@@HeatherBoo916 Yeah, you have a choice because your constitution protects you from someone enforcing religious rules on you. In Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and many other majority Islamic countries, women do not have the choices you have. They are either enforced by a religious police (Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia) or by the common public who will make you wear a hijab or burqa; otherwise, you cannot walk on the street without getting told to wear hijab. I hope someday you open your eyes.
@@costructivecritic I lived in Pakistan, I had a choice there also. I lived in Peshawar for a year. I was never forced by anyone to wear anything I didn't want to and I didn't wear hijab there either. Not ever place is the same. I understand places like Iran and Saudi have religious police, I'm not saying that they don't. But not all religious countries are like that. I also hope your eyes are opened. Have a blessed day.
@@HeatherBoo916 - Living for a vacation or short term doesn't count. Living in an expat bubble doesn't count either. You have to live with common people. Just recently, a woman was almost lynched because of some Arabic words on her dress. Ask any minority how they live in Pakistan; they even have to change their names. Preaching is very easy; reality is very different. By the way, I am from South Asia, so I know what I am talking about. You need to open your eyes, or wait a few more years in the UK to know Sharia effectively.
I respect this young lady for exposing the misogyny in men to the point where women are accused of being crazy. It has happen in Europe as well. She is right there is an abuse of power. I would encourage to read Dr. Asma Lamrabet - Women in the Qur'an: An Emancipatory Reading. Her book is an eye opener.
Me too! We also had Dr.’s here in America put women(their husbands could do it. They owned them) in asylums for being “hysterical” bc of our menstrual cycle or bc they fought back from their husbands or didn’t share the same opinion. God forbid the women had an opinion. They were considered crazy. Not that far back. Thank goodness our forefathers had an insight in our democracy so women’s refuge could happen thru law of the courts and lawyers had forethought to argue. Still not equal but women have more opportunity to get it. And we had separation of church and state. Which is being debated again. Trying to get it back into politics.
A big hug of deep respect and admiration to all these brave women. May your testimony open the eyes of other women, because there are some who, being free, want to embrace the shackles of certain religions... (in the name of love!!!)
Thank you for sharing. I love that you distinguish between what the actual Quran and Hadith say and what many who call themselves Muslim believe. You can absolutely condemn Islam without hating all the people who think they are following various versions of it. Many Muslims don’t even realize what all the Quran says. Thank you for bringing the truth to light.
My nieces were terrified to go out as teens in Delhi because of the way that some of the men acted towards them (British, white, blonde). If people are given licence to be nasty, then some will take it.
You may be right but I don't think what happened to you has anything to do with Islam. The reason for your bad experiences is the culture and education level of the people you are in contact with. You were obviously subjected to this kind of harassment because they thought you were a foreigner and defenseless. They know they would never approach a Turkish woman like that. I feel sorry for you :(
I taught at a university in Saudi for over two years. As a single woman who lived in a small very conservative town and didn’t live in a compound, it was rough.
You might consider doing an interview with Cults to Consciousness. I’d be interested in hearing how an educated Western single female University professor is treated in that country.
I love Nuriyah. I’ve listened to her tell her story over and over again in various interviews and never get bored 😂 I’m an ex Muslim female living in the UK and Nuriyah is such an inspiration to me ❤❤
19:36 This reminds me: I am a non-muslim and more-or-less straight woman living in a very liberal western European country where many women show much skin in the summer, which is considered totally normal. Yet, I remember a time when I was on a bus and I saw a woman walking in the streets dressed in what I believe to be an abaya - she was covered in black from head to feet (maybe her hands were covered, too, I don't really remember) - and also her face was covered, except for the eyes. Then, suddenly the wind took the hem of her dress and made a part of her white ankles show for a brief moment, and I remember how shocking - and naked - that innocent glimpse of bare skin felt. It was almost like watching something really forbidden and pornographic, and even though I have no interest in other women's ankles and probably see them all the time in the summer without really noticing it, I am sure I must have really starred. It was almost like I couldn't help it. When I react like that, I am not surprised that men get totally obsessed. It's like the forbidenness makes everything much more s***ly loaded than it really is.
The whole premise that women have to cover bc the men don’t have to have any accountability for their feelings or desires is absolutely abhorrent to me. Women are revered as non human, no emotions that are to be considered or thought process. Just good enough to bare children like livestock and good enough to rear them, and good enough to have sex with, but disgusting otherwise. Dont tell me this isn’t about power and control and it’s all Man made. I believe forcing one religion on a country is what’s caused this sect of people to not progress as a people. That’s why these genocides will continue. Turkey trying to destroy old temples and such to hide their history so that the people will not find the truth. Just barbaric.
I wonder who remembers an episode of "Love American Style" - there was a woman who was totally free with her body and being naked (of course not fully shown in the show), but she always wore gloves; the man character was obsessd with getting those gloves off.
If you are a non-Muslim (Kafir...) woman that's living in a liberal, European country in the West, your stance (defending the reaction of Muslim males...) is what's seriously wrong with modern, European societies in the West. Not only are you conveniently 'forgetting' what women had to once endure back in the day (in your country..), in order to be heard - and to vote... you're taking what you see as 'normal' treatment of women in your society (today...) for granted - while sympathizing with males that treat girls/women like utter garbage... be they Muslim - or not. And, pray tell, what does your apparent sexual preferences have to do with any of this?!?
You think that`s just happening somewhere else under muslim regime? The old testament has the same laws and there is christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. They want public hangings, people being stoned and the death penalty for homosexuality. You can find podcasts where they explain their plans here on youtube on the channel "right response ministries". Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christain nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the presidet has immunity, it will go on with the power grad that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these draconian biblical laws.
We must keep talking, openly, and allowing any and all voices to come forward and be heard, to get past these dark practices still happening in this world. Shelise, you are doing amazing work.
Dear NURIYAH KHAN, Its always a pleasure seeing you happy and smiling despite all that in the past! Every time I hear/watch you I learn some more details. I am a CHRISTIAN who was BORN in PAKISTAN, GREW UP in PAKISTAN, and STUDIED MANDATORY ISLAMYAT/ISLAMIC STUDIES (Quran + Hadith + Islamic History, etc.) in school. Yes, I learned how to READ ARABIC and MEMORIZED QURAN VERSES and SURAHS and some HADITHS (AHADITH) as well. Even as a CHRITIAN I had to UNLEARN A LOT of ISLAM that I studied in school and OBSERVED/EXPERIENCED while GROWING UP/STUDYING along with MILLIONS of MUSLIMS after getting to The West where much more information is available and freedom to read it. By the way, I NEVER BELIEVED in THE CORE (FUNDAMENTAL) BELIEFS of ISLAM and had a good amount of access to the information that DEBUNKED ISLAM (Quran + Hadith)! Still, it was a bit challenging to disprove THE MUSLIM MYTHOLOGY and BASELESS CLAIMS without information about the counter viewpoint and THE DANGER (especially as a CHRISTIAN) associated with such information. There was NO INTERNET at the time and I was in PAKISTAN! Despite all this The Lord Jesus Christ gave me a lot of COURAGE and WISDOM as a young man to respond to many STRANGE, INSANE, and DERROGATORY questions and comments MUSLIMS directed at me! Keep smiling and keep it up, Dear NURIYAH KHAN! I watch and share your videos wherever and whenever I can. God bless you! BE SAFE!
My 🇨🇦 Auntie was one of those foreigners who movies to S A for work. She was a great X-Ray Tech. She worked at King Hospital in the late 90s and early 2000's. She talked about; whenever she left the "compound"; she had to wear a Burqa. She also had to be with a married couple; pretending to be the married man's 2nd wife. Unless she was with a tour group.
This is my first time watching your channel and I found this episode fascinating, educational, sad, yet inspiring. Will definitely subscribe. Many thanks to the courageous Nuriyah for telling her story and exposing the treatment of women in the Islamic religion. So many women silently suffering abuse with no way out. We, as a society, have to stop being afraid of educating people about the horrific treatment of women and little girls. Hopefully, we can somehow make a difference in their lives.
Wow. When she talks about how she would read her religion's holy book in a language she didn't understand it reminded me of how the Catholic Mass was said in Latin until late in the 20thcentury so no-one knew what was actually being said.
That comparison isn’t true. When mass was said in Latin, everyone had Latin English missals would be able to know what was being said if you were literate
My confirmation in Romania was in Hungarian, which I didn't understand, because the bishop couldn't stand us and refused to do a service in my language for the few of us who wouldn't understand what we were promising. Great way to start someone on a deconstruction journey, at least
The bible stories are pretty ubiquitous, plus that's why there are all those paintings in churches and such, to relay the stories to illiterates. I grew up catholic, and the stories are the same every week, every year according to a pre-set calendar. The stories don't make a lot of sense, but they're not secret. The bible is definitely available in tons of different languages and has been for centuries. Since Vatican 2 (mid 20th century) it has been said in the local languages. The small city in Connecticut where I grew up had mass said in English, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, French, Arabic, Irish English, Lithuanian, Filipino, Vietnamese, Korean, and probably other languages as well. Then once I went to a Latin mass in DC at the National whatever-it's-called and followed it fine because it is familiar enough after years of mass, and Latin is close enough to the romance languages to know what's going on. The homily aka sermon, was in English, I think (I can't remember) and it was short. (BTW the priests or whoever can just download them now, and there are a few choices.) One of my first jobs was teaching ESL to priests at the diocese of Brooklyn & Queens. There aren't enough American men becoming priests (among other reasons for the shortage-ahem), so the American Catholic church imports them from abroad. Interestingly, one of my students was from Pakistan. At the time I didn't think about how unusual that was. Also interesting to not, there was no religious requirement to work for the diocese, and I was basically no longer catholic by then. My co-worker was a single mother (never married), although my boss was a nun. My predecessor was a secular Jewish man, and my students knew I didn't no longer attended church. Even during Lent, it was there were varying degrees of "fasting" because abstaining from meat on Fridays is an European & American thing; Asians don't do that.
Something that applies to all of us, Muslim or not, is that abuse is not just physical abuse. I'm an educated woman, and still thought that abuse could not happen to "someone like me". I had a very narrow view of what abuse is. In the meantime, I went thru years of emotional abuse that I was trying to "normalize".
You think that`s just happening somewhere else under muslim regime? The old testament has the same laws and there is christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. You can find podcasts where these pastors explain their plans here on youtube on the channel "right response ministries". Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christian nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the presidet has immunity, it will go on with the power grad that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these draconian biblical laws.
A brilliant and thought-provoking episode by a very intelligent and very noteworthy woman whom I greatly admire and respect. Her lived experience is exactly what we need to hear more of in order to develop better understandings all round. I truly wish her well and I hope there’s lots more people about like her. Thanks. 🙏
I don't care if they're extreme or not. If they are still forcing women to cover up, or punishing women for disobeying their husband, or not letting the women make any decisions.. it's still bad. It's bad if the women are made to feel beneath the man.
Muslimas don't HAVE to do anything Alhamdulillah. It's all a choice and based on your level of Imaan (faith). I wish people would stop viewing us all as victims. Islam is beautiful Ma Shaa Allah! And as always Allah akbar🤲🏽💕🧕🏼
I was an American in a mainstream Christian church. I wish I’d had Google back then. I stayed 25 years. The church I left would have LOVED to have these laws.
Sadly that's a true statement abou6 anything that becomes a cult run by people... Usually men.... Who are focused because of their desire for power, control self serving and greed.
Brave young ladies on this video. (I have been aware of similar accounts of violence and discrimination against women in societies as diverse as Amish, Catholic hindu, ) Wish it was more publicly known then the cycles of discrimination and violence against women regardless of faith culture background that perpetuate would be able to be broken.
Nuriyah is an incredibly intelligent and powerful young woman whose story needs to be transmitted more broadly. Keep it up Nuriyah - the world needs you.
I think this is such an important story because of her unique set of circumstances I think she’s a wonderful person to help other women and other people in general. Excellent interview both of you and very beautiful interesting guest. 🥰🙏
Spending my life split between France and the US, some of this reminds me of France. Always followed or touched by Arabic men who were not raised to view women as human, and only saw covered women before they moved to France - or if they are raised in France, only seeing women in their families covered so then they come for you when you're just wearing jeans and a tshirt doing groceries at 1pm. So upsetting. (Also, in my experience in France this only happened to me daily by Arabic men, not Western-presenting men).
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Thanks for being so brave Nuriyah! My ex used Talaq as a weapon against me, and there are many crazy stories that I have from my marriage! He was preaching in mosques and secretly had girlfriends and a porn addiction. Of course, as he is a man he had the full support of his mosque and family, and I was portrayed as crazy. Last month I got full justice from the courts here in the divorce process. The ex got a full telling off by the judge! Would I have gotten justice in a Muslim country? Nope, never! I have 5 kids and he had wanted to discard me and take them to Pakistan. Our culture and religion totally support this disgusting, degrading treatment of women. I recently started an Islamic Trauma Healing online space for Muslims with Religious Trauma as I had difficulty getting the support I needed. Becoming religious really hurt me. I'm happy you are speaking out, so other women have this awareness. Never knew Dubai was that bad. Thanks for sharing.
So sorry you had to go through this!! Whoever supported him is wrong! Can you share your online platform with me?
So glad you got away from him and got justice! Thank you for reaching out to others, helping people heal is so important.
Thank you for telling your truth and helping others by doing so ❤
Jesus is the way❤ hope you can open your mind.. glad you got justice❤
You left your religion, your belief system for a religion that clearly says that non-Muslims will go to hell, and more than that idol worshippers will burn in hell. So when you get disconnected from your roots, you weaken yourself. We have so many cases in India where non-Muslim women are being targeted by Muslim men with pseudo names but then,these women have no rights as they are not Muslims. Global media tragets those who are trying to educate people about this crisis because we live in a highly politically motivated world.
I have British friends that have worked in Dubai. They fall into 2 distinct groups. Those that loved it, liked the lifestyle, the extravagance, the wealth. Those that hated it, saw the inequality, saw how much of a facade it was, saw the fascism.
I know which group I'd be in because I'm a truth-seeker and truth-teller. Heck, people here in the U.S. hate me too. lol
@@alundavies1016 would that everyone fell in that second camp. Good lord, the way some people turn a blind eye to (and often willingly profit from) suffering and injustice is something I will never understand.
@@websurfer5772 Amen, I get weighed down by the hate sometimes but then I remember that I'm getting it because I'm standing for what's right.
@@Rain_Reign What I find odd is that we seem to born the way we are in that respect, and neither side can change even if they want to. This life is something else.
@@allergicTOsunhats It is not easy.
One of the things that I love about Shelise is she actually lets the guest tell her story. The questions she asks are more to help clarify things as opposed to putting her own inference. It’s very organic.. keep up the good work❤
Honestly, one of the best channels on UA-cam. I love her style, sensitivity, curiosity.
@@1ACLyes, she’s always respectful but curious.
Yes!!! She has her own viewpoint but always prioritizes her guest's perspective. Very refreshing.
Thank you so much! That means a lot. 🥰🙏
As a Roman Catholic I know their is a lot of good in religion. But there are evil people in it , just like in all walks of life eg evil police man . However as my father would say any religion who says its OK to marry & abuse a 9yr old . Can only be the Devil s religion. I for one agree with him
I remember speaking to a recruiter about a job in the UAE and it was my mother who was like, “are you crazy? You can’t manage there as a single woman!” Now I understand even more!! Thanks for sharing your story!!!
Thank God your mom knew!
@@websurfer5772 I know, right?????? My mom knew so much about a lot of stuff. I miss her so much, but thankful for the kind of mom I had!!!
@@l.a.w.79 I'm so sorry for your loss. 🤍
In dubai if you are segs assaulted- you can go to jail- and if you accuse an important man then you will go to jail for months.
Most families in Islamic countries don't support their daughters she is lucky
LOL far from true a majority of irreligious and religious islamic families support their daughters in like every way u can imagine lmaooo
They were British Pakistani Muslims and were more liberal in their thinking. Her father’s job took them first to Saudi Arabia and then to Dubai. But they are British citizens
and their base was Britain.
There are millions of non-practising Muslims born to Muslim parents in secular countries. I am one of them. I don’t practice Islam and have embraced spirituality and metaphysics.
They were British Pakistani Muslims and were more liberal in their thinking. Her father’s job took them first to Saudi Arabia and then to Dubai. But they are British citizens
and their base was Britain.
There are millions of non-practising Muslims born to Muslim parents in secular countries. I am one of them. I don’t practice Islam and have embraced spirituality and metaphysics.
Are you serious, daughters are taken care of by their families until they are married.
@IDuke2829 yes but not supported, if you as a woman wanted a different life than what your family wanted you won't get support
A nurse I work with worked in Riyadh at a hospital overlooking an oval where punishments took place. She said she could see people being decapitated from there. She also commented on the number of women admitted classified as attempted suicide who had stab wounds to their backs
Wow!
@@CultstoConsciousness exactly what I was going to say. Wow!
That's crazy because the area chop chop city women are not allowed to watch. I lived there 35 months and did not see that. My husband was a radiologist there for over 12 years. He knew the place but women were forbidden to watch, go to funerals, etc
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Evil ans scary @@danielasat4563
I could walk from my home to The Clock Tower. (Chop Chop Square). I went there but never on Friday. The thing that frightened me the most was the Islamic Police. (The Religious Police)(Wutawa) They could just pick you up off the street. I walked almost every place. The few times that I took a Taxi was with several other females and we always stayed together. I got out in a very tricky way....sh%#ting a brick until the plane was in the air. THEN they kept calling me in North America to return and I was threatened with the statement (The Saudi government has a long memory)...I would never set foot in any Middle Eastern country all these years later
I will never fly in their AIR SPACE EVER .. A World that is on another consciousness.. Sadly 😢this cancer is spreading in the so called free world !!!
@jacquelinemarie; Israel is quiet different, I lived there as a young Scandinavian woman both in the Arabic areas and later in Jewish areas. It was never frightening or scary in either places. I travelled through the whole country numerous times with my backpack. My friend did the same in Marocco and she said it was the same there,nothing to be afraid of. So there ARE peaceful countries for tourists in the Middle east. Allthough NOW I don't know if it will ever be safe again to go to Israel...and imagine IF it becomes Palestine...then they will become a new sharia-country.
@@mrsTraveller64Israel will never be conquered, so no worries. God keeps his word.
Why were you living in Saudi? And why did you get in trouble with the government and have to leave? I assume you're a westerner based on your name?
@@mrsTraveller64 Morocco is not in the Middle East. If I wanted to travel to a Middle Eastern country that is relatively safe for women travellers I'd go to one that hasn't achieved that by committing genocide, e.g. Lebanon. Although not right now because Israel is threatening their peace.
Anytime someone needs to escape a horrible situation and can’t bring their animal, my heart breaks even further. So proud of this strong woman for how far she has come.
When she said this part, my feelings let loose, so sad what she went through but deserve praise how she decided not to give up, much respect from the bottom of my heart, blessings flow❤
Considering that dogs are considered unclean and are not even supposed to be in the house, I imagine that dog was likely put out on the street, or worse.
I went on a 4 months long business trip to riyadh and dubai in early 2000. The sheer gaudiness, obscene display of wealth, and inequality not just in terms of wealth but also basic human rights, shocked me.
I had a phase where I became fascinated with Islam. I bought books and clothes and even began learning Arabic. I’m so grateful I woke up and realized what I was supporting. These interviews just go to show us that us westerners have no idea what we’re getting into. We have freedom and we can’t fathom that many other countries don’t, to a point where I became supportive of the very thing used to take away other less fortunate peoples’ freedom
sometimes we take things for granted because we always had the options. We get fascinated by the rituals, by the unfamiliar and trust we can find a sense of belonging. I hope you're doing alright.
females in europe who stand on shores to welcome those illegals dont know what they r letting in..
You're right, abrahamic religions are dangerous and are usually used to oppress women and increase wealth inequality. These religions have absolutely no place is government or law, and extremism doesn't have a place in society. I had the same realization when I got curious about Christianity and got exposed more to the trad movement.
I am studying Islam, its history, the Quran and meanings. I don't speak Arabic but have signed up to learn its meanings. So far (over one year) nothing bad, only positive. No one pushes me to do anything. My husband is agnostic. We are Canadians. How much of this is cultural?
@@SKyser-i5k do u even hve common sense?? coz another comment u made, that u hve seen Caribbean mslim women doing what caribbean mslim man do... stop masquerading as nonmslim. 😑 fool some1 else. btw how many chapters did u read?
She was so much luckier to have a great family, than most women are. ❤
Ikr imagine if her family were also pushing her to stay with her husband, many women are living like that in the Islamic world 😕 between a rock and a hard place
That's the beauty,That's the goal , the more people share that it the better
It's horrifying that such things still happen and people are lacking basic human rights. Thank you for telling your story and raising awareness❤
Thank you for your support!
@@CultstoConsciousness You and all the strong amazing people on your channel are so inspiring. We will change the world one day💪
It is so powerful and validating to hear this experience from a non-Saudi and a younger generation woman. I am honored to have connected with these two incredible women, Shelise and Nuriyah- so grateful to have been a guest on both of your shows. Let’s keep the conversation moving with this level of truth, integrity, and courage 🙌💪💛
Thank you Jasmin! We appreciate you and your perspective as well!❤️
Thank you, Shelise! ❤️
Nuriyah is incredibly brave and like YOU, a force uniting to raise women’s voices unapologetically!
@@jasmin-faulk-dickerson This is such a good show on UA-cam. Even the comments are rich with women’s experiences and good discussions.
This is true! If a Muslim woman initiates the divorce, she gives up her right for everything, including alimony. This protects abus1ve husbands 100%.
Not quite true!! What rights is the woman giving up if she ask for divorce!!!
If there is any deal barker in the husband she can divorce him easily
If only she decided to divorce him for no valid reasons and he didn’t have an intercourse with her then she have to give him the dowery full
ya, that sounds pretty stupid, tbh. @@duaaalharthi4262 Better to not get married at all
@@duaaalharthi4262 men get 100% custody of children
@@Hannah_BananaStandThis is not true... the mother has the right to physical custody od the children. If she gets married to someone else then only the father gets custody. This is to protect the children from any possible abuse from the new husband.
Going to Islamic countries even as a tourist should be considered an extreme sport 👀
Not true
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I would never go anywhere near those countries.
@@Giannas1096do you also avoid American school classrooms?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that is hilarious!! I never felt safer anywhere in my life as in Kingdom of Saudi Arabia!!!& i wandered around freely all hours of the day and night!!!!
It's so telling how certain folks in the comments are defending Islam saying, "noooo she's lying and doing it wrong!" Your holy book prescribes extreme violence for transgressors and is HORRIBLE about women. There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing in Allah/God, but let's not pretend that the majority of modern interpretions are all wholesome, peaceful, and moral.
I’m surprised at the amount of trolls
@@cpeace3172it’s weird to conflate cultural enforcement of religious text with the religion itself. The same can be said about the Bible tbh.
@neurotika Bible does not enforce cultures into the religious observations.
@@neurotikaThe Bible doesnt teach you to slay the disbelievers, neither it's a book full of excuses for a pedophile.
@lanazh2443 Explain MAGA -- which is the religious right trying to enforce their way of life on all of America. Trumpism is the Christian version of Sharia law...
I am so afraid for the women that speak out who have lived through Sharia Law.
I am deeply saddened that there are so many women living through this.
Instead of males that are fighting ages claiming asylum in America we should be taking all these women who are in these situations around the world.
Won't be much better here soon if our rights keep getting ripped away. Scary times for sure
There is some christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. You can find podcasts where these pastors explain their plans on the channel "right response ministries". They want very similar penalties for the same crimes, because that`s what it says in the old testament.
Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christian nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the president has immunity, it will go on with the power grab that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these kinds of laws here in the US.
There is some christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. You can find podcasts where these pastors explain their plans on the channel "right response ministries". They want very similar penalties for the same crimes, because that`s what it says in the old testament.
@@anthill1510The Old Testament doesn't say women should wear the Hijab. That's Muslim not Jewish. Sharia law is in the Q'ran; not in the Old Testament.
@@anthill1510But I agree w you the hard right Christians overlap a lot w Muslims when it comes to women's rights. Take abortion for example. Judaism is prochoice. Rabbis decided a long time ago that the life of the mother matters more, & that a baby isn't a new life till it's halfway out of the mother during labor.
Cults 2 Consciousness has always been a great show but since you've been back, the quality and continuity has been outstanding! ❤
Thank you so much!!
Absolutely ❤
She is a beautiful soul inside and out.
Right? Homegirl literally popped out a baby and in the next few days was all “Okay, let’s go hard for our Islam apostates!” 😂 Pretty metal lol
@@CultstoConsciousness
Great you let the ex-muslims speak, very important and brave 🙌
I’m disgusted that American tourists visit Dubai. How can you support a place like that with your tourist dollars, knowing what’s going on underneath the surface? It’s outrageous to me.
I'm guessing American tourists simply don't know.
@@LoveToHearUSing Americans, by and large, are willfully ignorant
I am too.
@@LoveToHearUSing fr I visited Dubai 2 years ago and I did not know this crazy stuff until now. im so shocked omg
She described Islam perfectly. I'm an ex-Muslim. I know firsthand how terrifying Islam is. Leaving Islam is punishable by death. Being or confessing to being an atheist, is punishable by the death penalty; even if you change from Islam to another religion. Criticizing Islam is punishable by imprisonment which comes with lashings, and may lead to the death penalty. Heresy is punishable by imprisonment, lashings and probably the death penalty. Being gay, not much about being lesbian is punishable by the death penalty. Doing drugs or selling drugs is publishable by the death penalty. Murder in Islam is negotiable; for example: if it is for honour killing they don't get charged. The list goes on.
This story needs to be made into a movie. My heart was POUNDING during the part when she was trying to get on the airplane. It is so horrifying to think about how differently it could have gone if she hadn't been able to escape. Thank you for sharing your story. This needs to be told everywhere so people can see the horrible consequences of a society that only values women as property.
There's also a book called Not without my daughter. And a hindi movie escpae from taliban
Watch "escape from Taliban" it's available on youtube.
Watch Yvonne Ridley's story as well.
@@RayRaza787 sure
Same, just listening to that story was SO stressful!! I can't fathom living it 🫠
What she says around 1:10:22 is very similar to how I felt when realizing what this religion really is. Thanks so much for these videos - this support is needed. I left Islam almost 15 years ago. I was raised very religiously and prayed five times a day, fasted, ready Quran, etc. I was born and raised in the west but even so I don’t feel safe letting my family know. My father let me know if one of his children leaves we will be disowned and he also said if someone leaves they should be shot. It took me about 3 years of learning to finally leave Islam. I used to stand up for the religion but then started to think about it logically - it’s obviously man made to serve their prophet. I’m much older now but am still in the closet. I pretend to believe because of fear of what my family and the community would do. Thankfully I was able to marry a “convert” because I knew if I married someone who followed the religion it would be game over for me. I just wanted to move out of my parents house so I could have a bit of freedom. Please keep spreading this information. You are all so brave & you are helping those that need it.
I will pray for you to find peace and Truth, and a way through your difficult situation!
May God bless you and keep you!
Much love!
Thank you for sharing that. Your story is important ❤️
On Reddit, this guy created a thread (under AMA: Ask Me Anything). He is Muslim, living in Saudi, but also in the closet like you. He doesn't believe in Islam anymore, but is too afraid to tell his family, friends or employers because of the consequences. So he pretends and goes along with it. So he invited people to ask him questions about this and what it was like. It was a sad, but interesting, read.
I take it your husband is also in the closet as well, right? How sad and strange you both have to play this game, especially as you now live in a western country.
I hope the convert has seen sense and dropped Islam too. No sane person could follow Islam.
This breaks my heart. I really hope you can get out from under it somehow, someday.
When studying at university in the US, I took a class on Islam (because I knew nothing about it), which was taught by a female teacher who wasn't Muslim, but seemed to know basically everything about Islam anyway. She taught it very apologetically, talking about how scientific Muslims used to be before the Crusades killed all of their intellectuals, how spiritual it is that they pray five times a day, and how we should all admire them and try to be more like them regardless of our religion (mind you, this was a Catholic college, so assumedly, most of the students were some sort of Christian denomination). However, she glossed very casually over a lot of the treatment of women, saying things like, "Female circumcision is just a misunderstanding of the text," etc. Then, she brought in the Islamic leader of the area (a man), who spoke to us about the misunderstandings of Islam, how he's trying to help their reputation recover, etc. but then when he went to leave, our prof said, "Even though he's a good friend of mine, he still will not shake my hand because I'm a woman-- but that's okay!"
At the time, I was very impressionable and thought that that must just be how it is for them and that maybe they all feel differently about it than I did. Now that I'm watching this series on your channel, I'm starting to think twice about assuming that Muslims are all okay with this treatment, and maybe there's more to it than just what a liberal arts college can teach. I used to want to go to Dubai so badly, but when I started to hear about all of the very conservative laws, I let that dream die. I thought about how I couldn't hold hands with my partner in public, and that I couldn't even book a hotel room with someone of the opposite sex whom I wasn't married to. Even in the most religious, backwoods areas of the US, you never will be told that you can't book a hotel room with your partner if you aren't married. Seeing how celebrities like Lindsay Lohan have begun to completely change their identities after living in Dubai made me question just how deep this rabbit hole went, but hearing of your experience, it makes perfect sense. It really brands itself as this Instagram utopia, but in reality, it's just really oppressive and shiny.
I really never thought much about people's personal choice to convert to Islam until I watched a UA-camr (that I had previously watched for years but seemed to disappear off of the face of the Earth) tell her story about how she was more or less tricked into converting to Islam and moving in with her husband overseas, and how she had to escape from both him and the country at the same time whilst keeping their children safe. A similar thing happened to a friend of mine (also from the US) who took that very same Islam class with me. She had a really rough home life and struggled with her mental health whilst in university, but when she discovered our Islam class, she became *very* involved in the culture. Eventually, she met a Saudi man whom she officially converted to Islam for in order to marry, married him, and then moved with him back to his home country. I had been keeping in touch with her online until one day, all of her social media profiles disappeared, and I never heard from her again. I still wonder what happened to her, but I know that if she did have trouble getting away, she would have no one back in the US to save her; her family had no money, she barely had any living relatives, and aside me and a handful of classmates, she didn't really have any friends.
I think that it's a lot more complex than an outsider can truly understand, but to act as though it's just a "different culture" and to assume that people of that world are just okay with everything is ignorant. I realize now (especially after these past few interviews) that a lot of what westerners have just begun to gloss over are serious issues that need to be addressed. There are literal humanitarian crises happening that westerners just don't want to acknowledge because they've been made to feel that they don't have the authority to speak about them, and it's such a disservice to those living through things like this, especially women who have *no* voice in all of this. I think that if we'd be just as concerned about a woman being controlled within Christianity, we should be concerned about a woman being controlled in *any* culture, *anywhere* in the world. It's terrifying to think that we've just turned our backs to an entire people crying out for help based on their geographical location.
There is no female circumcision allowed in Islam. If anyone does it, it's cultural and wrong. It's absolutely against Islam. Also, Christian woman do not need to convert to marry a Muslim man. That man lied to her.
An absolutely conscientious and thorough comment..... very perceptive.
Well said! Thanks for sharing!
You should never learn about Islam in schools because you get nothing but lies and not the true Islam. Just read the Quran and Sahih Al Bukhari hadith, the most trusted Islamic sources- there is the true Islam: order and support of slavery, child marriage, killings of the infidels, and wife beatings and polygamy!
This is very sad that islam is taught in Catholic College, as a Catholic this is seriously disturbing.
I’m so happy to hear she had the support of her family!!!! I was raised Muslim and thankfully have very moderate Turkish parents. I married a Muslim Lebanese and through him I learned deep Islam and am no longer supportive of this cult. It’s tough because being a Muslim is what I’ve known for 35 years but I just can’t label myself as someone part of this. Having supportive parents means the world.
Also, my husband and I are on the same page…thankful for that as well.
The way she speaks about how the thought process is just engrained in you with living your daily life, sayings, conspiracy theories etc. Is so true. You have to stop yourself from that way of thinking. For me the biggest thing was getting over the fear that Islam teaches. We were raised to fear and try to stay away from the fire of hell. It’s definitely an adjustment.
someone told outright lies and you believed it she's Afghan woman telling these lies to get citizenship in west, every person have their own experience, opinion & conviction don't fall for it
She's so humane that she supports genocide of Palestinians
Western converts forget that they have a choice to wear hijab or not because the constitution of western countries which protects them from someone enforcing religious rules on them. In Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and many other majority Islamic countries, women do not have the option to not wear hijab. They are either enforced by a religious police (Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia) or by the common public who will make women wear a hijab or burqa; otherwise, they cannot walk on the street. I hope someday the reverts open their eyes.
lol alot of women dont wear niqab or hijab in saudi r u brain washed or sum
hijab is not mandatory in pakistan bro
Compeletely wrong... I am from Pakistan and i can assure you women there have freedom to wear the hijab or not.
She is not just very pretty and intelligent, but also tremedously brave. What an incredible journey!
WTF? That's means; she's beautiful.
@@alexispacey2864 they are saying, not only is she beautiful and smart, but also brave.
Dear NURIYAH KHAN, Did you ever think WHY a team of FOUR (4) MALE POLICE OFFICERS (MUTAWAH) used to come to your house? As you said (Hope I understood it correctly.), they were trying to CHARGE YOU of ADULTERY. They NEEDED FOUR MALE EYEWITNESSES! So, they came WELL PLANNED and WELL PREPARED!
Whoa. That's it. 😲
Shows how scary the situation was. She could have easily been executed for adultery!!!
Protect Nuriya at all cost. So well spoken and she speaks the truth. Love that this is finally becoming mainstream, sad it's taken so long but better late than never. Shalise thank you for bringing this to the masses! Love Nuriyah ❤🇬🇧
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Listening to this is stomach churning. These poor women, our sisters , have to live under such violence and suppression, all in the name of a screwed up religion run by sociopathic men.
it is theocratic state. 2-3 states are that. not all muslim world.
Thanks!
The difference in her story to many other Muslim women is that she had family support leaving an abusive marriage.
Secondly when she became an apostate her family respected her decision and didnt disown her.
These two things aren't the norm in Musim cultures it's a rarity.
I literally have friends who were told to go back to their abusers after they sought help from their family.
@user-qj9wu3er8e I know this for a fact. Look at the comment under this video by muslim mum of 5 trying to get divorced. The thread is full of other Muslim women invalidating her experience.
All of them think we can't easily access fiqh books. Or the descriptions of how women were dehumanised by Muhammad and his men preserved in their records.
@@Stardust475I am a female Muslim and have studied Islam at length and no such thing exists. Show me. I dare you. Perhaps their protection of women seems overwhelming to you in this day and age, but never to directly disrespect them. We never talk about Christianity and especially Judaism who have strict rules too. It is a rarity for abuse, it DOES happen, but Saudi men are, for the most part, gentlemen who spoil their daughters and wives. My SO is a practicing Muslim. He is super kind and has a good balance. There are awful people everywhere. It’s only us that get picked on for the minority of shiteheads. I would say the worst representation comes from the south Asians who use their culture and claim it as religion. I’ll give you an example. Our fathers are considered our guardians and we don’t need to cover up in front of them. Arab and other women don’t. For a fact. South Asian families a lot of the time don’t allow their daughters to wear pyjamas in front of male family members which isn’t even a thing in Islam! You’re not supposed to make a relaxed thing hard. Or as we say a halal thing haram. There needs to be a change.
And it's even worse for lesbians
Are you gonna teach us about our cultures lol?
So many women who don't have money or family support would never have been able to escape this or maybe even realize that they truly deserve to live their own lives :(
"This is the best way one can die...." Makes my skin crawl at the "death cult vibes" I get.😔
@tdsollog, I've learned to call Islam a 'system'...they're easily triggered and are very wiolent.
Very distressing but also very inspiring. Thank you both so much.
I'm so glad she was honest about Islam. I worked with a few former Muslims who were very open about how barbaric, violent, abusive, and oppressive it really is. They all said it as bad, or worse, than anything we in the west have heard or seen.
13:05 Nuriyah is referring to migrant workers that come to Saudi Arabia from poor Asian and African countries.
SA of domestic maids is rampant in these places justified via Sharia and dysfunction because of strict segregation.
Islam dies without lies
Thanks to social media, eventually Islam is going to die
Not justified at all by sharia stop making up stiff
@@thesabiqoon4178 It is since many of the domestic workers are not Muslim so they are "justifiably" enslaved by sharia law.
@@krispyier Many of them are also Muslims girl. Pakistani Muslims, Indian Muslims etc.
In January 1991, I was in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, with the U.S. Army. My fellow service members and I were allowed to go to Saudi stores in Dhahran without chaperones. On Fridays, my U.S. Army company commander warned us before going to the stores. He said if we were in the stores after Friday prayers, the mutawa (religious police) with long sticks would round us for the weekly amputation and beheading. And we had to comply with the mutawa. I left the stores long before the punishments happened and was back in the U.S. military area at al-Khobar Towers.
Wow. Hard to imagine. There's never been a better reminder to be back on time. How.awful.
Really ... who is your audience
Yup, mutawa and all shops closed down.
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And you hadn't committed any crimes, just going into a store? Wow.
Shalise..On behalf of everyone thank you to you and Jonathan for the work you 2 put into these..this channel is amazing, informative and eye opening. I tell everone who will listen about it ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Wow, thank you!❤️❤️
I agree with many of the things you are saying. I was an American Christian woman married to a Saudi man. We met in America then moved to Jeddah in 1996 with our 5 children I stayed within the national population no compound!! Sometimes I worried about my safety but thank God nothing bad happened🙏 Because the last two years there he was not a good husband/Father. We barely had food he would just leave and not come back for days at a time so me and my kids would wander the streets to just get out of the house!! Play in empty parking lots etc go to a few stores on my own!! We did use the street drivers/taxis now I see how dangerous that was by what you said. The men there have no self control over their sexual lusts. The windows there have bars on them and if you stand at the windows and a man may see you I had guys masturbate if it was night!! It was disgusting I would just go grab some eggs and throw them at the guys and then just moved away from the windows!! I stayed for 7 years and I was finally free to go with my 5 kids back to America to God be all the glory 🙏🙏🙏 He’s never seen his kids since or paid for them!! But I can relate to what life is like there. I hope things are better there for women now?? I know a lot of foreign women stayed because of their kids I’m glad I got out 21 years ago✌🏼
Bless you sister for having the strength to leave and make a better life for yourself and your children❤️
Which god are you talking about allah or jesus ?
@@jimkpani4829 they're both equally fictional.
@@cl5470 so people like thoma one of the dieciple of jesus went all the way to india to die for a fictional jesus ? Why ?
@@jimkpani4829 Jesus was a human but the things that sound magical are myth.
This interview was eye-opening and informative. I learned a lot. Thanks for sharing!
As a pagan this channel is a real eye opener. A lot of brave people on here. This woman’s story was freakin horrifying. Thanks for allowing sacred space.
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@@CultstoConsciousness FeIt like had it among the most, even though grassroots and humbIe, always labeled as a certain kind of force but the ones labeling were the ones doing, a kind of washing technique.
As a fellow pagan I echo that. Every day I’m grateful for the spiritual freedom paganism affords me. ❤
Love to pagans ❤
Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven
The feelings of muslims always get hurt when someone speaks the truth about Islam and prophet....
That's because they are not allowed to question and to follow the religion blindly
No defensiveness is necessary. This is not exclusive to just Islam.
@@nicolem2877 it is exclusive to Christianity and Islam... Just look how UA-cam behaves against people who tell the truth about Islam and Christianity... Account are deleted, demonitized etc...
No that’s not the case at all I’m not hurt I’m just more of why is the world spreading fake lies that’s what it is Islam does only protect the world and all of the things she said in that video were complete lies because I’m living here and I have the perfect life life is great and I don’t know how you guys even believe this stuff because it literally sounds bullshit like if you just like listen to it for a second it literally sounds bullshit do a little bit more research try reading the Quran
brain washed to think that 2 billion muslim follow hollywood version of islam 😂😂to be ignoorant is hard now days but some westerens think africa is country
I hated that this podcast had to come to an end. What an amazing woman with an amazing story. This grandma just wants to give her a big hug
I agree. She has her own channel. It is called Holy Humanist.
With the lying i heard in this episode !!I am happy it came to an end
12:25 this is one of my biggest traumas living in a Muslim nation. A hanging and set on fire while still breathing for stealing a $5 boom box. The smell lingered. So did the back of mosques where this happened. But it was just part of life. And you just dealt with it. I agree with her about Islam as it is suppose to be practiced.
This is horrifying
@@CultstoConsciousness it is. Worked through it via EMDR not to be triggered by the burning smell of dust when heaters kicked on. Living under these laws is hard to explain.
Again thank you for sharing these stories and giving a voice to a topic that most are afraid to touch in our country.
😮 Where was this? What country/city???
wow, this was brilliant. So eloquent, I am hooked . I learn something listening to each person.......just brilliant .
Thank you for coming on Nuriyah! You are a gifted storyteller. I’ve learned quite a bit today.
You are such a fantastic interviewer, Shelise. Straight up, thoughtful & original; it's impressive.
Thank you!🥰🙏
@@CultstoConsciousness love your interview style as well! Some folks are so eager to jump in and it takes away from the survivors story, you give them space and grace. Keep up the great work!
Imagining someone praying for hours and then going out to watch such cruelty… my GOODNESS …. Sadistic people can just walk amongst them
I thought the same thing, so godly!
It isnt considered to be that because its from their book. Because of that its considered halal/"allowed". That is the type of law the group at war & those in the surrounding countries want for the rest of the world. Well except they all want the most extreme form that calls for the "offing" of all those who reject it
@@kristiskinner8542I’m a “liberal/nominal Muslim” whose family is from a secular but Muslim-majority country. Half of my family is secular but ethnically Jewish, also from the same Middle Eastern country. I think it’s important to note that there are 2 billion Muslims and there are so, so very many of us who have left the stone age rules and verses where they belong and are pursuing a modern, humanist view where we take the life lessons about kindness and forgiveness from the Kuran with us and leave the rest of the bullshit behind. It is sad to me that neighboring countries still practice an incredibly archaic, misogynistic, extremist interpretation of Islam. Being raised around the faith of Islam and Judaism in both my home country and in America, the stories of these women always give me chills as sharia has been banned in my home country for over a hundred years, but had fallen into disfavor and was abandoned long before it was illegal on paper. My husband is from a more conservatively Muslim country and while there are many people there who lead more Western lives, unfortunately many politicians and enclaves lean more hateful and extremist. I fully support these survivors coming forward and sharing their stories, because sadly, like in most major religions, the sick and twisted extremist views come out to play and leave tragedy and oppression in their wake. I’m not attempting to argue or be disrespectful, but I feel like your comment paints all Muslims as practitioners and believers of extremist sharia and the misogyny, antisemitism, and hate it promotes, while wanting to spread that message worldwide. While those groups (like the ones at war now) sadly do exist, and while I fully accept and support critique of Islam as I consider myself to be a critic of many facets of the faith and book myself, I think it’s important to remember there are MANY muslims who are fighting against the extremist and archaic views tooth and nail, and the vast majority of Muslims I have come across in many different countries are just as terrified of islamic extremism and sharia as any non-Muslim reasonably should be. Again, not trying to argue, and valid critique of any religious movement is valid and incredibly important. I just don’t think we should generalize when speaking about any one faith, as Shelise has mentioned in many of her videos.
@@cors2526I get what you’re saying, but I also don’t think that all religions are created equal, and thus all religious beliefs should not be respected. It’s possible that the foundational beliefs of a religion are so at odds with modern society and human rights that it is not redeemable. It’s just hard for us to reconcile with Islam because the religion is 1,400 years old. It’s much easier to dismiss a new age religion/cult with extreme beliefs than an established religion. Even in Indonesia, which is considered a moderate Muslim country, 72% of Muslims believe Sharia law should be the law of the land (according to pew research center survey).
@@CarolineRichardson-j1f I wouldn’t consider Indosenia to be a moderately Muslim country at all, but that’s just based on my experience with the faith. I don’t think all religions are created equal, but it’s against my personal beliefs to demonize an an entire group of 2 billion people (religion aside as I don’t consider myself to be a very religious person as my family is multifaith). Most big religions, including all of the Abrahamic faiths and the two I was raised in, have extremist sects that sadly prioritize oppression, brainwashing, misogyny, and hatred. I get where everyone is coming from, it’s just my personal belief not to dislike or demonize an entire group of people based on faith, as everyone is different and I know plenty of Muslims, Jews, and Christians who abhor their extremist groups just as much as anyone else
Nuriyah, i'm so glad you got out safe! I too deconstructed because of a divorce. I got out of a toxic/abusive marriage and seeing how my religion failed me led me to do the same as you. I am blown away by the similarities between our experiences even though I was raised in conservative Christianity. Good gravy. Thankfully because i was divorcing in America i didn't have to deal with police abuse and sharia law. But irnwas still super scary and traumatic because I thought i was wrong to leave an abusive relationship.
I'm glad you got out and sorry for what you had to go through. 🙏
Religious abuse hurts so much because it involves the tripartite part of ourselves. Mind, body, and spirit
What a lovely guest. Very interesting and very easy to understand. Xx
Imagine if Nuriyah did not have a British passport, she would be trapped with this man, or arrested. Shame on Dubai authorities for being so oppressive & misogynistic. I really appreciate Nuriyah's courage to speak up. I am Jewish, I know how radical and dangerous the Islamists can be.
Women get arrested all the time in Dubai for being pregnant and unmarried, even visitors
it is their culture. Way worse than the West.
@@kreed3494 omg, I didn't realize they are so backward. I am Israeli-Canadian. There was a peace agreement btw UAE & Israel recently. Israelis visit this country. UAE tries to sell the image of being a modern country. Obviously this is not true.
I say , I know first hand 🎉🎉🇵🇰✨️🇮🇳✨️🇺🇲
That’s the issue with westerners, these things have been known about the middle east forever!! Even a third world person like me has known these things since mid 90’s!! I would expect a first world and informed person like you to know these things right?? We are lead to believe that the first world has all these opportunities and stuff we don’t have access to so I’m not supposed to be knowledgeable about history and religion!! That’s the reason why the west is dying because they have forgotten what made them great!! Now we have to save the west from it self!!
Even muslims from other countries, i heard , saying Saudi Arabia is fucked up when comes to laws
And that muslim from some other countries want sharia where they get freedom
@@ishitaparmar7298you're speaking for alot of people there, should let each speak for themselves.
@@HeatherBoo916core or where started too
@@HeatherBoo916very true tho uk as example
They do speak for themselves. When they become more than 3% of any population anywhere they start demanding Sharia
Wow I had heard about culters who have cut off limbs for stealing but to hear someone from this community telling her side of what she's lived in. With her telling her side of the story it makes me open my eyes to more of things I never knew what was truly going on
Or no religion since you should choose to be a good person without threat of punishment or reward.
These things has been widely written about in media because lf the severe human rights violations, as well as women rights which is basically none existing. I'm glad you heard about it now at least.
It's too bad the wet behind the ears on college campuses can't open their eyes!
You think that`s just happening somewhere else under muslim regime? The old testament has the same laws and there is christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. They want public hangings, people being stoned and the death penalty for homosexuality. You can find podcasts where they explain their plans here on youtube on the channel "right response ministries".
Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christain nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the presidet has immunity, it will go on with the power grab that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these draconian biblical laws.
You live in a coddled society and are removed from the real world. Theft can mean the death to a whole family. A bunch of raiders steal your last cows or lambs. That was your family's wealth/food. Now that's it your family may not survive. Welfare doesn't exist.
I almost married a Turkish man...and while they are more liberal, I am still happynit didn't happen... I was also into Islam for some time...God, I am happy I stopped with it and stayed with my own belief system
As an EMDR therapist I am so glad to hear you were able to reprocess. ❤
What does EMDR stand for?
I think I need this
@@susancook1448 eye movement desenitise reprocessing.
Helps to reprosess the memory to deminish the power it has over daily life.
What a fabulous conversation!!! Thank you for sharing your journey with us
In India we just had general elections. So there was an email from the community motivating people to go vote. I thought to myself who do we vote for? A party begging for Muslims votes and promising them the return of triple talaq and the right to hijab. Forget it. Better that party lose.
Don't worry you're safe in India no one have that much dare to use triple talaq other nonsense.but what I concern is rape cases gov should make a strict law
Thanks for platforming ex-muslims, especially giving light to women's experiences. It is SO important.
If a country does not have freedom of and from religion, it is not a free country.
The best decision in my life was leaving islam. I have wasted my life praying for a fake god that would torture everyone no matter how much they pray to him best decision ever done
Thank you for making the world a little better, please stay safe man.
@Bouba-ru7pf Allah has nothing to do with God, it's just something that Muhammad used to manipulate pagan Arabs. A bit of al-Lah, a bit of Judaism, a bit of Christianity, and a lot of Muhammad's desires. Wake up man.
I hope you reach out to the western converts/reverts who are boasting about hijab and naqab and dreaming about sharia in western countries ,If you see tik tok its filled them , I do not understand what is happening.
Young people especially are more inclined to be radicalized when it comes to any belief system. I think it comes from a feeling of superiority…I cling to this religion’s rules to a fault and it tells me I’m right and you’re wrong. We’ve all been young and you can see how that feeling of superiority can appeal to them.
@@costructivecritic I'm a revert and I don't cover my hair, I'm very modern and liberal. Not everyone is the same.
@@HeatherBoo916 Yeah, you have a choice because your constitution protects you from someone enforcing religious rules on you. In Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and many other majority Islamic countries, women do not have the choices you have. They are either enforced by a religious police (Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia) or by the common public who will make you wear a hijab or burqa; otherwise, you cannot walk on the street without getting told to wear hijab. I hope someday you open your eyes.
@@costructivecritic I lived in Pakistan, I had a choice there also. I lived in Peshawar for a year. I was never forced by anyone to wear anything I didn't want to and I didn't wear hijab there either. Not ever place is the same. I understand places like Iran and Saudi have religious police, I'm not saying that they don't. But not all religious countries are like that.
I also hope your eyes are opened. Have a blessed day.
@@HeatherBoo916 - Living for a vacation or short term doesn't count. Living in an expat bubble doesn't count either. You have to live with common people. Just recently, a woman was almost lynched because of some Arabic words on her dress. Ask any minority how they live in Pakistan; they even have to change their names. Preaching is very easy; reality is very different. By the way, I am from South Asia, so I know what I am talking about. You need to open your eyes, or wait a few more years in the UK to know Sharia effectively.
I respect this young lady for exposing the misogyny in men to the point where women are accused of being crazy.
It has happen in Europe as well. She is right there is an abuse of power. I would encourage to read Dr. Asma Lamrabet - Women in the Qur'an: An Emancipatory Reading. Her book is an eye opener.
Me too! We also had Dr.’s here in America put women(their husbands could do it. They owned them) in asylums for being “hysterical” bc of our menstrual cycle or bc they fought back from their husbands or didn’t share the same opinion. God forbid the women had an opinion. They were considered crazy. Not that far back. Thank goodness our forefathers had an insight in our democracy so women’s refuge could happen thru law of the courts and lawyers had forethought to argue. Still not equal but women have more opportunity to get it. And we had separation of church and state. Which is being debated again. Trying to get it back into politics.
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
A big hug of deep respect and admiration to all these brave women. May your testimony open the eyes of other women, because there are some who, being free, want to embrace the shackles of certain religions... (in the name of love!!!)
Thank you for sharing. I love that you distinguish between what the actual Quran and Hadith say and what many who call themselves Muslim believe. You can absolutely condemn Islam without hating all the people who think they are following various versions of it. Many Muslims don’t even realize what all the Quran says. Thank you for bringing the truth to light.
I lived in Ankara, Turkey growing up and the men acted the same. They would stalk and follow us. It was very scary.
My nieces were terrified to go out as teens in Delhi because of the way that some of the men acted towards them (British, white, blonde). If people are given licence to be nasty, then some will take it.
Satan hates women!
You may be right but I don't think what happened to you has anything to do with Islam. The reason for your bad experiences is the culture and education level of the people you are in contact with. You were obviously subjected to this kind of harassment because they thought you were a foreigner and defenseless. They know they would never approach a Turkish woman like that. I feel sorry for you :(
I taught at a university in Saudi for over two years. As a single woman who lived in a small very conservative town and didn’t live in a compound, it was rough.
How did you live? Who could you rely on to protect you?
Plz tell us what happen
Don't leave us hanging! It what ways was it rough? Can you share a few experiences.
You might consider doing an interview with Cults to Consciousness. I’d be interested in hearing how an educated Western single female University professor is treated in that country.
Interested in your story as well 💝
I love Nuriyah. I’ve listened to her tell her story over and over again in various interviews and never get bored 😂 I’m an ex Muslim female living in the UK and Nuriyah is such an inspiration to me ❤❤
Wow!!! How insightful and revealing. Thanks so much for sharing your saga. You are a highly intelligent and deeply thoughtful woman.
This is truly heartbreaking!! I
19:36 This reminds me: I am a non-muslim and more-or-less straight woman living in a very liberal western European country where many women show much skin in the summer, which is considered totally normal. Yet, I remember a time when I was on a bus and I saw a woman walking in the streets dressed in what I believe to be an abaya - she was covered in black from head to feet (maybe her hands were covered, too, I don't really remember) - and also her face was covered, except for the eyes. Then, suddenly the wind took the hem of her dress and made a part of her white ankles show for a brief moment, and I remember how shocking - and naked - that innocent glimpse of bare skin felt. It was almost like watching something really forbidden and pornographic, and even though I have no interest in other women's ankles and probably see them all the time in the summer without really noticing it, I am sure I must have really starred. It was almost like I couldn't help it. When I react like that, I am not surprised that men get totally obsessed. It's like the forbidenness makes everything much more s***ly loaded than it really is.
The whole premise that women have to cover bc the men don’t have to have any accountability for their feelings or desires is absolutely abhorrent to me. Women are revered as non human, no emotions that are to be considered or thought process. Just good enough to bare children like livestock and good enough to rear them, and good enough to have sex with, but disgusting otherwise. Dont tell me this isn’t about power and control and it’s all Man made. I believe forcing one religion on a country is what’s caused this sect of people to not progress as a people. That’s why these genocides will continue. Turkey trying to destroy old temples and such to hide their history so that the people will not find the truth. Just barbaric.
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I wonder who remembers an episode of "Love American Style" - there was a woman who was totally free with her body and being naked (of course not fully shown in the show), but she always wore gloves; the man character was obsessd with getting those gloves off.
If you are a non-Muslim (Kafir...) woman that's living in a liberal, European country in the West, your stance (defending the reaction of Muslim males...) is what's seriously wrong with modern, European societies in the West.
Not only are you conveniently 'forgetting' what women had to once endure back in the day (in your country..), in order to be heard - and to vote... you're taking what you see as 'normal' treatment of women in your society (today...) for granted - while sympathizing with males that treat girls/women like utter garbage... be they Muslim - or not.
And, pray tell, what does your apparent sexual preferences have to do with any of this?!?
You think that`s just happening somewhere else under muslim regime? The old testament has the same laws and there is christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. They want public hangings, people being stoned and the death penalty for homosexuality. You can find podcasts where they explain their plans here on youtube on the channel "right response ministries".
Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christain nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the presidet has immunity, it will go on with the power grad that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these draconian biblical laws.
We must keep talking, openly, and allowing any and all voices to come forward and be heard, to get past these dark practices still happening in this world. Shelise, you are doing amazing work.
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She is so amazing!! This kind of independent thinking and honest inquiry into dogma is soooo refreshing.
I absolutely loved this episode. Nuriyah, I am so glad you got out. Thank you for sharing.
i appreciate you reporting on this, Shelise and Nuriyah.
Dear NURIYAH KHAN, Its always a pleasure seeing you happy and smiling despite all that in the past! Every time I hear/watch you I learn some more details.
I am a CHRISTIAN who was BORN in PAKISTAN, GREW UP in PAKISTAN, and STUDIED MANDATORY ISLAMYAT/ISLAMIC STUDIES (Quran + Hadith + Islamic History, etc.) in school. Yes, I learned how to READ ARABIC and MEMORIZED QURAN VERSES and SURAHS and some HADITHS (AHADITH) as well.
Even as a CHRITIAN I had to UNLEARN A LOT of ISLAM that I studied in school and OBSERVED/EXPERIENCED while GROWING UP/STUDYING along with MILLIONS of MUSLIMS after getting to The West where much more information is available and freedom to read it. By the way, I NEVER BELIEVED in THE CORE (FUNDAMENTAL) BELIEFS of ISLAM and had a good amount of access to the information that DEBUNKED ISLAM (Quran + Hadith)! Still, it was a bit challenging to disprove THE MUSLIM MYTHOLOGY and BASELESS CLAIMS without information about the counter viewpoint and THE DANGER (especially as a CHRISTIAN) associated with such information. There was NO INTERNET at the time and I was in PAKISTAN! Despite all this The Lord Jesus Christ gave me a lot of COURAGE and WISDOM as a young man to respond to many STRANGE, INSANE, and DERROGATORY questions and comments MUSLIMS directed at me!
Keep smiling and keep it up, Dear NURIYAH KHAN! I watch and share your videos wherever and whenever I can. God bless you! BE SAFE!
Good. paki bro
My 🇨🇦 Auntie was one of those foreigners who movies to S A for work. She was a great X-Ray Tech. She worked at King Hospital in the late 90s and early 2000's. She talked about; whenever she left the "compound"; she had to wear a Burqa. She also had to be with a married couple; pretending to be the married man's 2nd wife. Unless she was with a tour group.
I requested this interview on Twitter. I'm so glad to see it happened!
Thank you!
Amazing story. Thank you so much for sharing.
This is my first time watching your channel and I found this episode fascinating, educational, sad, yet inspiring. Will definitely subscribe. Many thanks to the courageous Nuriyah for telling her story and exposing the treatment of women in the Islamic religion. So many women silently suffering abuse with no way out. We, as a society, have to stop being afraid of educating people about the horrific treatment of women and little girls. Hopefully, we can somehow make a difference in their lives.
Wow. When she talks about how she would read her religion's holy book in a language she didn't understand it reminded me of how the Catholic Mass was said in Latin until late in the 20thcentury so no-one knew what was actually being said.
That comparison isn’t true. When mass was said in Latin, everyone had Latin English missals would be able to know what was being said if you were literate
My confirmation in Romania was in Hungarian, which I didn't understand, because the bishop couldn't stand us and refused to do a service in my language for the few of us who wouldn't understand what we were promising. Great way to start someone on a deconstruction journey, at least
That comparison is 100% true
The bible stories are pretty ubiquitous, plus that's why there are all those paintings in churches and such, to relay the stories to illiterates. I grew up catholic, and the stories are the same every week, every year according to a pre-set calendar. The stories don't make a lot of sense, but they're not secret. The bible is definitely available in tons of different languages and has been for centuries. Since Vatican 2 (mid 20th century) it has been said in the local languages. The small city in Connecticut where I grew up had mass said in English, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, French, Arabic, Irish English, Lithuanian, Filipino, Vietnamese, Korean, and probably other languages as well. Then once I went to a Latin mass in DC at the National whatever-it's-called and followed it fine because it is familiar enough after years of mass, and Latin is close enough to the romance languages to know what's going on. The homily aka sermon, was in English, I think (I can't remember) and it was short. (BTW the priests or whoever can just download them now, and there are a few choices.)
One of my first jobs was teaching ESL to priests at the diocese of Brooklyn & Queens. There aren't enough American men becoming priests (among other reasons for the shortage-ahem), so the American Catholic church imports them from abroad. Interestingly, one of my students was from Pakistan. At the time I didn't think about how unusual that was. Also interesting to not, there was no religious requirement to work for the diocese, and I was basically no longer catholic by then. My co-worker was a single mother (never married), although my boss was a nun. My predecessor was a secular Jewish man, and my students knew I didn't no longer attended church. Even during Lent, it was there were varying degrees of "fasting" because abstaining from meat on Fridays is an European & American thing; Asians don't do that.
Not really, Latin was a part or school education. Especially in Italy the home of Catholicism.
Be careful exposing Islam. Stay safe! Thank you for your work on cults.
She married a psychopath, it’s got nothing to do with Islam.
That was so powerful. Thank you for all you do for the people freeing their minds, bodies, and souls from the grip of the “religious lie”
Absolutely fascinating story. I'm eager to hear more from this guest. I love what this channel is exposing.
Something that applies to all of us, Muslim or not, is that abuse is not just physical abuse. I'm an educated woman, and still thought that abuse could not happen to "someone like me". I had a very narrow view of what abuse is. In the meantime, I went thru years of emotional abuse that I was trying to "normalize".
Yes!!! This channel is on fire!!! I have been loving your guests lately! Off to buy some C2C merch!
On your keens for christ eh? Well so am I!
Huh
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This is so 7th Century. This absurd way of thinking needs to be demolished!
You think that`s just happening somewhere else under muslim regime? The old testament has the same laws and there is christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. You can find podcasts where these pastors explain their plans here on youtube on the channel "right response ministries".
Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christian nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the presidet has immunity, it will go on with the power grad that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these draconian biblical laws.
Long long overdue
WOW. We need part 2. There is so much to learn about!!
Going live with her tonight!
We have learned all we need to know. Don’t step foot in those countries or marry men who came from there and are Muslim.
A really interesting discussion. Thank you so much! Two brave ladies! 🙂 By the way, I have posted this great discussion on my blog.
A brilliant and thought-provoking episode by a very intelligent and very noteworthy woman whom I greatly admire and respect. Her lived experience is exactly what we need to hear more of in order to develop better understandings all round. I truly wish her well and I hope there’s lots more people about like her. Thanks. 🙏
This was a fantastic interview!
OMG I just got to the airport part and bawling my eyes out😢😭. I'm so glad she's safe.
Her parents are her biggest blessing ❤
I don't care if they're extreme or not. If they are still forcing women to cover up, or punishing women for disobeying their husband, or not letting the women make any decisions.. it's still bad. It's bad if the women are made to feel beneath the man.
Muslimas don't HAVE to do anything Alhamdulillah. It's all a choice and based on your level of Imaan (faith). I wish people would stop viewing us all as victims. Islam is beautiful Ma Shaa Allah! And as always Allah akbar🤲🏽💕🧕🏼
As a Catholic middle eastern … every thing she said is 100% right
I was an American in a mainstream Christian church. I wish I’d had Google back then. I stayed 25 years. The church I left would have LOVED to have these laws.
Yep. They're working on it. It's part of the plan.
But the church of Christ doesn’t have these laws.
Sadly that's a true statement abou6 anything that becomes a cult run by people... Usually men.... Who are focused because of their desire for power, control self serving and greed.
Huh????
Brave young ladies on this video. (I have been aware of similar accounts of violence and discrimination against women in societies as diverse as Amish, Catholic hindu, ) Wish it was more publicly known then the cycles of discrimination and violence against women regardless of faith culture background that perpetuate would be able to be broken.
Thank you for your work. Both of you!
Nuriyah is an incredibly intelligent and powerful young woman whose story needs to be transmitted more broadly. Keep it up Nuriyah - the world needs you.
I think this is such an important story because of her unique set of circumstances I think she’s a wonderful person to help other women and other people in general. Excellent interview both of you and very beautiful interesting guest. 🥰🙏
Spending my life split between France and the US, some of this reminds me of France. Always followed or touched by Arabic men who were not raised to view women as human, and only saw covered women before they moved to France - or if they are raised in France, only seeing women in their families covered so then they come for you when you're just wearing jeans and a tshirt doing groceries at 1pm. So upsetting. (Also, in my experience in France this only happened to me daily by Arabic men, not Western-presenting men).