I had a set of two 15s built to my spec from a well known builder and blew one in less than four months from a " by the ear" setup on two amps running the two subs. When I ordered my two Zv5s, I also ordered and religiously used my SMD DD1 and CC1 to set my head unit max volume and amp gains, and have been clip free for over two years now. No issues whatsoever. I'm a firm believer now.
I also was getting my system tuned by these " People who say they can tune your audio system by ear. Dude told me he's been in car audio for 30 yrs. and my sub still blew. So I bought the SDM DD1.
It's entirely possible to tune by ear without damaging stuff and you shouldn't tune amps to never clip. There's a reason the DD1 disc comes with -5db, -10db, etc tracks. If you're not clipping at all you're leaving a massive amount of power on the table. If the only time you're getting the full power out of the amp is when a 0db note plays consider every other note is nowhere near the amp's real output and music is dynamic.
I put togethee my own system, nothing fanzy. 800w rms 1 ohm sub and matched it with amp with same rms. Running good for 3 years. Now the big mistake is also to bush it too hard. Sound pressure level? Think that is where some of the problem is. I personally do my builds on sound quality and keep the volume down a little to save my ears.
Damn JP that's a good explanation. You know 30 years ago we didn't have all that fancy technology and oscilloscopes was expensive as fuck. Back then I used the multimeter and some test tones. I turned it up till I heard distortion watching the voltage and then turn it back 30%. So basically don't laugh we didn't have all this big power back then but you know we did have the same fucking decibels. I was doing 58's w/ four 12s walled. I think the amps was showing right at 280 volts when you could hear distortion and I'd turn it below 220. Car audio is just like everything else, you're already fucking something up when it starts feeling good.
The two biggest causes for clipping is system set up (gains matched to headunit output voltage and max clean volume on deck determined) and the music itself if more often than not clipped as well and if it's not clipped it's recorded louder than what the gain overlap is set on the amp thus again overdriving the amp past it's max rail voltage. There is so much that goes into making sure you never clip that most people don't even bother.
how does a distorted audio signal clip a amplifiers output? If you match the max signal output voltage (Clean or distorted) to the amplifier input section with the gain you should never have clipping. A amplifier does not care what the signal looks like coming in, It only cares about the voltage and frequency
@@Thezuule1 u say that because you didn’t get the proper amp to power your setup so without clipping ur bass is poor. So u have to clip to get it loud. U basically are going backwards in life sir..
@@Carlossteezyblunts I say that because it's the case with any amp in any setup. Music is dynamic and if you tune an amp to never clip at 0 db you're leaving a ton of power on the table. An amp should be tuned around -5 db generally, sub amps can be pushed more toward -10 db.
That was the baddest clipping video of ever seen it made so much sense wen he said about running and someone trying to make u run faster and making u trip nice awesome video D4S
Good job man, although I’ve been aware of a lot of the information you’ve put out, it’s been very helpful and I know it’s helping a lot of people. Regardless of the knowledge that most of us seasoned Installers may have, it never hurts to always stay refreshed. Very much appreciate what you do for us J.B.
Thank you bro this helped me out so much, 3500w amp and my subs kept clipping at no so loud volumes. Realized i need an alternator/big3 upgrade after watching this video.
Yes, what I've noticed with my system is when I added more battery power, the amp doesn't clip as early. Your amp Is only as good as its power, same applies with speakers, your choice of speakers are only as good your choice amps
Thank you bro. That was about one of the best explanations for some of the tech terms used throughout the car audio world. Awesome content and I do plan on the future to go with some of your JP line. Now if there were JP branded speakers. . . Hint, hint, hint.
Bottom line... buy a amp that has at least 50% more rms power than what your subs are rated. Don't match the rms, so bigger than needed rms amps don't have to work so hard
Subwoofers never really play at the ohm load on the box either so you're never going to get 1 ohm power for more than a split second and the bulk of the time the subs will be at 1.8 or 2.1 ohms anyway while they're playing.
The head unit can clip to the amp then the amp can clip to the subwoofers or speakers. The audio controls lc2i loc tells you when the head unit clips. I learned that when I hooked up the dd1 to the amp.
true. that's why I tell people to never use an oscilloscope or multimeter to set the gains on your amp. you need to know the maximum clean output of the head unit and you can't find that number without a DD-1 or DD-1+
If you watch Barevids on youtube, he showed an example of this, he proved that even if the head unit put out a clipped signal the amplifier if the amp has a low pass filter it will out any noise and re smooths the signal. this is because clipping adds high frequency noise to your signal so if the amp has a low pass that filters them out.
@@mr_killjoy4205 wow you couldn't be so much further from the truth. A oscilloscope is literally looking at electricity and waveforms You should learn a oscop and throw the DD1 in the trash.
@@livingthelife2wice he also sends a squarewave into the amp and it poops out a sinewave magically. People are so sold on the waveform shape they dont even understand what a waveform is. He litteraly shows you and people are still like "nuuu uhh" while gripping their beloved dd1 and in smd we trust pamphlet of how to be another basshead sheep
gotta sundown x8 v4 d2 with the 2800rms jp23. has this clipping issue figured this would be a winning combo. would upgrade to bigger but my fear of this not being the issue holds me back
Very good info on Clipping Jp!! But with some amps there just a crappy design like the Sundown SFB 2000 i bought from y'all this spring. As soon as i bumped the gain with it hooked to my xv2 it was clipping and the amp burned itself up in 6 hours. But i went and bought a Deaf Bonce AAB Atom 2000D afterwards and it plays perfectly fine even with a slight flicker of the clip light
Good information. Also the head unit can cause it as there is a amp in there to. Amp feeding you amp. After everything is turned you need to know your systems limits.
so I have a 160a alternator that puts half at idle, a new group 35 battery up front with the big 3, 1/0 ofc running to the back to 2 semi truck starter batteries powering a (true) 3000w ds18 amp putting out 2100 at 2 ohms. it's connected to 2 sdr 12s that take 650 each rms and 1200 peak. How am I getting clipping when my voltage doesn't dip below 13 and I have so much electrical going on.
I got your JP23 amp and from what I hear the clip was not a problem unless it is a solid yellow color. If it's just flickering it's not a big deal. Dunno much about audio but my bass still hits even when it's in clip city lol ..
@BEATING NCP93 I have the the D4S lithium battery 🔋 😎 and 0 gauge wire running to the amp already. My other battery is a Optima yellow top 👏 But yeah I wanna get a new alt next most deff. What's a good brand?
@BEATING NCP93 yeah my setup is 4 SKAR EVL 8" with a jp23 amp. Still hits but I can't turn the gain up high or the voltage drops. (Hope the new alt solves that) What system u running?
I have a JP8 and it is nice. It would suit your needs. You typically want more amp than sub because of impedance rise and other factors, a sub will never see the full power of the amp pushing it. At least no for more than a brief moments when playing music. Some channels on youtube show real time numbers while playing music and it is not unusual for a 3k amp to push between a couple of hundred watts up to maybe a bit over 2k while playing music. It is a whole rabbit hole to go down but if you try to match numbers, you will sell yourself short and possibly wind up clipping because it doesn't sound that loud. I have had my JP8 for a while now and love the clip light. I don't think I will ever get an amp again without a clip light. Songs are recorded at all sorts of different levels and picking one for setting your gains makes the others a bit, or a lot, sub-optimal. This gives some wiggle room and I can just nudge things up to just before clipping and roll with it without worrying. Not sure on your setup but if you think your ride could handle it, I would almost say get the JP23. Gives you room to upgrade and no one is ever "finished" with their system it seems. Always wanting a bit more power and volume. If not you can get a second JP8 later. It is strappable and gives 2300w @2 ohms.
JP, I have been waiting for thid video since i bought my SUNDOWN X V2 D2 along with a SFB 3000D which I am doubting right now if I need to upgrade to a SALT 4 AMP or get an ALT or a JY LITHIUM BATTERY. good video like always I watch all your content. @DOWN4SOUND 🙌
I would check the gain and also make sure things like bass boost are turned off. You don't need any speakers hooked up for the output on the amp to be clipped. I would imagine 80% of people have their gain set too high. Maybe by a lot or maybe just a little but it is a very common thing and a lot of people just kind of guess at it. They fry equipment and lose interest in the hobby when it was just a matter of matching the gain to the source. Generally, once everything is setup properly, bass boost just isn't necessary and lots of people fry subs with it.
SOME amplifiers you can very distinctively hear the very beginning of it clipping the sine wave HOWEVER how will you know unless a clip light or Oscope (DD1 if only at 40Hz) is used to know which amplifier you can and can not. so I agree good luck. The reason clipping kills is because it causes excessive amperage, amperage equals more heat, and heat kills all. Clipping is a very specific form of distortion, , I wouldn't say they are one of the same.
Good one JP somebody told me that when the sub is trying to mimic that sign wave, and when it stops where it goes straight across, that’s when the voice coil is heating up and it burns it and kills your subs or whatever speaker you got. You won’t be able to see it stop but when it momentary stops that’s when the voice calls is heating up and melts.
Got to start at the head unit. If it’s clipped so will the rest of your signals to the amp. It’s only amplifies the signal. Got to check and set at every unit. Head unit, high output to RCA’s Dsp and the amps. It’s a process.
The jp23 is a very nice amp. The temp and clip light are very useful. When testing the clip light to an o scope, the clip light comes on before actual clipping occurs. It could be set at 1% and thats too little for me to see on my o scope. Nonetheless it guarantees that you will not clip the amp.
Yes sir love the vids, and the website! I have a Sundown x12 v3 on an JP23 plus dual inputs a 320 amp Alt mechman, big 3, 0Guage throughout the vehicle, xs Power 3400 under the hood and a kinetic 2400Hc in the back…is that ok?
When adjustments to the gain for clipping do I need to have the bass volume control, on the head unit, at what setting. Say for instance the bass control level, on the head unit, has a 0-10 levels what number level do I need to have that set at when testing for clipping?
I believe that is extra power for the sub. Take this with a grain of salt but I have a headunit that has the similar volume thing, but I just leave it at 0. I believe it’s just for those who want to add more volume to your subwoofer.. I think it depends on your power and your subs limits… Just use your maximum undistorted headunit volume and leave the bass thing at 0 and I think you should be good. But I used a -10 sub test tone for my sub, on the amp gain. Basically see what works for you and what sounds good. Experiment with it until you get it right. Hope this helps as I see no one has replied to you.
I'm running two sdr 12s skar, RMS 1000 per and my amp is mono blk 1 channel 8000watts rated at 4 rms, my amp is turned down nearly to zero on all settings but my Xover is turned up pretty good and I'm clipping around 27 volume. But I'm only running 8 gauge power and ground, and a very old alternator, have two batteries but not upgraded yet on the big 3.
Jp thanks for explain clipping . An I love your line of amps. There are so awesome 👍👍 I don't just have one favorite amp,I like in your line up know there so many to choice from . Cool stuff jp .
I have 2 zvx15 d2 skar audio and a skar3500.1d and it's clipping it didn't last 2 weeks ...my question is do I need 2 3500.1 d amps 1 for each sub? I need help with this setup
what do mean low voltage???? there is no one running amps at 10 volts in a car NOT POSSIBLE THE AMP WILL NOT SWITCH ON PERIOD IT IS AMPS FROM THE ALT/SUPPORT BATTS BANKS THAT RUNS IT.
So I noticed a red light blinking on my Amp when the bass note hit. I didn't get a clipping on my bass nob though.. Assuming that red light is the clipping light. Why would this be the case?
Question. I have an amp that does 4000 RMS, and 2 kicker solo x 15” subs wired down to 1 ohm to the amp. Gain set to right before distortion and Crossovers set to 25hz of my 30hz tuned box, 80hz for LPF. Using the SMD DD-1 & CC-1. Have 350 amp HO alternator with a 2nd battery XS power 3100 with a 630F ultra cap bank. Im getting a soft clip at louder volumes 34/35 of 38. With Bass Knob turned half to 3/4 way up. I get soft clipping at dynamic kicks with like a flash of red clip light, and if i turn the volume or bass up more it will be more of a hard clip with a solid red clip light. should I get a larger amp that can feed the 4k RMS with extra headroom such as a 4500/5000 watt amp.
Hey Jp...thanks for the video...I just got my first full setup from d4s including the jp95...I'm a newbie and would like a tutorial on which channels to wire my mids and my super tweeters...any suggestions?
yeah , i have the jp95 also . Can't wait to install it . Did you watch the video by Williston Audio Labs ? He explains what you're asking about . Have you installed any of your equipment yet ?
I have an older unit in my 1991 Mustang, it plays nicely on startup but starts distorting after the Car warms up ? Can the unit itself be overheating ? Thats what it seems like to me ??😅
Hey I have this but one question. My head unit Max volume is 33 but it clips at 25. Does that affect my amplifier to subwoofer. We are using the tool plus your knob
Explain it to them like the subwoofer is trying to follow the sign wave but it stops at the point it clips and it’s when it stops. The little voice coil wire starts heating up. So the subwoofer moves up and then hits the clip and stops the moves down. Hits the clip and stops momentarily. You can’t see it but it’s happening and then when it does that that’s when the voice coil starts heating up and the wire burns into
As a master tech in the electrical/mechanical fields I am curious why you do not explain this correctly. Three things are important here: as follows: Voltage, Ampacity, and Electical draw vrs what is actually available. These three things equate to actual output - PERIOD. Maxium electrical draw is required first to determine what the actual wire sizing needs to be for any given system. For example: A 12 gage wire will handle 20amps with 140 feet of wire run- constant @120volts, safely. So if we consider electrical loss over said run (voltage drop) we also need to consider ampaicity of said wire- hence the rating. The number one rule (Ohms Law) is as follows: As voltage drops, ampreage rises- and as voltage rises, ampreage drops this is true in ALL electrical circuts be it an AC or DC circut. The alternator(s) in your car uses a rectifier circut to create an AC electrical signal then rectified into a DC electrical charge for your battery(s). This is basically how your cars charging system functions. FYI, DC stands for Direct Current and AC Stands for Alternating Current. Direct Current is where electrical signals flow in one direction -Possitive to Negitive (depending on whom you ask). AC flows in two directions and has no actual ground at the source, it's "ground" is actually neutral- it acts as a return path and as a ground source at the same time. No this is not the same as a floating ground. When a circut is over driven you get "clipping" this is due to many factors, but for the most part the amplifier is "out of gas"- or over driven, this, be it lack of voltage or amperage usually both. However, really good amplifers with properly designed regulators wont let this happen. I wont go on any futher upon this topic as it would be a moot point, Except to say this: your typical car audio amp has a 12 volt source @ a given ampreage, where as - a home audio amp has a 120 volt source @ a given ampreage- do the math. :) Volts times amps equals watts. One thing that has always botherd me about car audio is the S/N ratio it is usually below 85 Db - this is terrible. Consider the audio circut and the noise interjection. But I will say this, consider your grounding & power points, they need to be thick and rust free- preferably directly coupled to the battery source and never crimped in a bad manner. Always remember Polarity is king in a DC Circut- as it rules what DC sources actually do (push or pull) and finally remember this- AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT- the output of your car audio amp is a DC source (Polarity driven), a very different animal then your home audio set up, yet excatly the same, ask yourself why?
What if my amplifier gain is almost all the way left, turned up just about 1/10 but still clipping when I turn the head unit to volume 22/50? Also I have the big 3 upgrade and 3 batteries.
Most of the customers I service have done self installs and the source is usually clipping. I use the SMD DD-1+ and CC-1 to calibrate these systems and the difference in night and day. Most recently, a customer had a Boss mono block amp that supposedly put out 1125w rms @ 2 ohms. He did the 3/4 volume and DMM method and set the voltage at 47v. It sounded like crap. After going through the system, turns out this crap amp was clipping at 19.7v, barely able to put out 195w. Can't reliably use a DMM to set gains on a cheap Walmart or Amazon amp.
I just installed a taramps md800.1 earlier this week, two ds18 z10 elites d4vc wired together to 1 ohm. I had to put a switch on one output wire from the amp to the subs and have it turned off at first otherwise when it powers up the subs thump and the clip light comes on and shuts down the amp and it does it repeatedly. Do you have any suggestions to fix this?
I turned to gain n the sub actually had a weird sound almost like coil scratching type noise, subs are new and so is the amp. Have u ever experienced that noise
I got a 370 mechman, 2 d3400 xs batteries under the hood, a d4s lithium battery in the back, 1/0 gauge wire running, big 3, 2 ZV5 12s on a DB aak4000 tuned with the dd1 and i still clip, i dont get it. Everything is hooked up correctly
i always have my Amp volumes / bass volumes on the 11 Point top middle of the 12 number clock type of number wheel of the volumes type so i don't overpower and clip my amps/subs/speakers. I got told that the top middle 11 point to 12 point top middle of the numbers clock volume knobs keep them around 11 and 12 points volumes so you don't overpower / so you don't blowout the subs/amps/speakers. It's the safest point of the volumes?
Hi. I have a JL Audio HO112R-W7AE Ported H.O. Wedge. I purchased a JL Audio JD1000/1 1000 Watt Class D Mono Amplifier to power the sub. The W7 is a 3omh sub . The amp can push 800W RMS @ 3 ohm. Will this be under powering the sub? IS it going to be clipping ?
I have a sundown 1750d mono block amp on two skar sdr 10’s and I get clipping and I blow fuses how can I prevent that ? Up grade subs or upgrade amp and subs ?
I imagine that not having a pure sign wave like if an inverter or generator is being used not providing a complete buffered power supply could potentially cause this if it's not supplying power with the frequency at or below that of the signal to the Sub? I guess if it was a constantsound at all it would be noticed and 60 Hz is pretty universal
I need some help. I have the sfb1000 amp running a SA classic on 1 ohm. the amp keeps clipping. I sent it to sundown for testing. they said amp is good and issue is cause by bad rca signal from the radio and music source bluetooth. They said it was premature clipping. Is there such thing? How do I fix this?
SO what would be a good amp for the sundown u12 d2? I'm currently running a pair of skar vd10's with an rp1200, with the gain on the amp less than half or maybe half and the knob half way I can hear it at times clipping.
Ty for this video. But I have a question I hope you can answer. I have a JL 1000.1 mono amp and 2x 10 inch pioneer Z series subs. My amp has a clipping indicator on it. Only on some songs and certain bass lines does the light flicker for a second and goes back off. Of course if they hold a certain bass line for 3 seconds the light will light up for that 3 seconds but that is very rare. Is this safe?
I’m no expert but my best guess would be power issue. Sounds like on some bass parts of songs your amp clips cause it’s trying to use more power than your vehicle can provide. Again that’s just my guess. Maybe try to test it with an amp clamp and a multimeter.
Man Im stuck my audio doesn’t clip when my loc is not wired onto the speaker wires from my head unit but when it is all speakers clip and high volume its driving me nuts I’m not getting my moneys worth out of what I bought I’m only getting half the potential of volume
I have two 10” shallow mount subwoofers, a 2,500 watt monoblock amp, wired in parallel to 2 ohms, with an aftermarket head unit. I don’t have a bass knob, I use a radio pick up cable. It used to run with the bass all of the way up, on like volume 30. One day I sold my old amp so I plugged it up to show the guy it worked. When I plugged my amp back in I accidentally shorted the wires plugging them in so I replaced my fuses, and within 3 weeks it started clipping. And thoughts?
I wish clip lights were standard issue on all amps. Very good idea.
I had a set of two 15s built to my spec from a well known builder and blew one in less than four months from a " by the ear" setup on two amps running the two subs. When I ordered my two Zv5s, I also ordered and religiously used my SMD DD1 and CC1 to set my head unit max volume and amp gains, and have been clip free for over two years now. No issues whatsoever. I'm a firm believer now.
I also was getting my system tuned by these " People who say they can tune your audio system by ear. Dude told me he's been in car audio for 30 yrs. and my sub still blew. So I bought the SDM DD1.
It's entirely possible to tune by ear without damaging stuff and you shouldn't tune amps to never clip. There's a reason the DD1 disc comes with -5db, -10db, etc tracks. If you're not clipping at all you're leaving a massive amount of power on the table. If the only time you're getting the full power out of the amp is when a 0db note plays consider every other note is nowhere near the amp's real output and music is dynamic.
I put togethee my own system, nothing fanzy. 800w rms 1 ohm sub and matched it with amp with same rms. Running good for 3 years. Now the big mistake is also to bush it too hard. Sound pressure level? Think that is where some of the problem is. I personally do my builds on sound quality and keep the volume down a little to save my ears.
Tuned mine by ear it was just fine you could turn up to 40 🤷♂️
The "pushing runner" analogy was brilliant! Thank you sir❣
Damn JP that's a good explanation. You know 30 years ago we didn't have all that fancy technology and oscilloscopes was expensive as fuck. Back then I used the multimeter and some test tones. I turned it up till I heard distortion watching the voltage and then turn it back 30%. So basically don't laugh we didn't have all this big power back then but you know we did have the same fucking decibels. I was doing 58's w/ four 12s walled. I think the amps was showing right at 280 volts when you could hear distortion and I'd turn it below 220. Car audio is just like everything else, you're already fucking something up when it starts feeling good.
Distortion is always present in some form, even with the best amps. Clipping, however, can be avoided.
The two biggest causes for clipping is system set up (gains matched to headunit output voltage and max clean volume on deck determined) and the music itself if more often than not clipped as well and if it's not clipped it's recorded louder than what the gain overlap is set on the amp thus again overdriving the amp past it's max rail voltage. There is so much that goes into making sure you never clip that most people don't even bother.
So true.
how does a distorted audio signal clip a amplifiers output? If you match the max signal output voltage (Clean or distorted) to the amplifier input section with the gain you should never have clipping. A amplifier does not care what the signal looks like coming in, It only cares about the voltage and frequency
Tuning an amp to never clip is also a colossal waste of power and thus money.
@@Thezuule1 u say that because you didn’t get the proper amp to power your setup so without clipping ur bass is poor. So u have to clip to get it loud. U basically are going backwards in life sir..
@@Carlossteezyblunts I say that because it's the case with any amp in any setup. Music is dynamic and if you tune an amp to never clip at 0 db you're leaving a ton of power on the table. An amp should be tuned around -5 db generally, sub amps can be pushed more toward -10 db.
That was the baddest clipping video of ever seen it made so much sense wen he said about running and someone trying to make u run faster and making u trip nice awesome video D4S
Good job man, although I’ve been aware of a lot of the information you’ve put out, it’s been very helpful and I know it’s helping a lot of people. Regardless of the knowledge that most of us seasoned Installers may have, it never hurts to always stay refreshed. Very much appreciate what you do for us J.B.
Thank you bro this helped me out so much, 3500w amp and my subs kept clipping at no so loud volumes. Realized i need an alternator/big3 upgrade after watching this video.
Yes, what I've noticed with my system is when I added more battery power, the amp doesn't clip as early. Your amp Is only as good as its power, same applies with speakers, your choice of speakers are only as good your choice amps
Thank you bro. That was about one of the best explanations for some of the tech terms used throughout the car audio world. Awesome content and I do plan on the future to go with some of your JP line. Now if there were JP branded speakers. . . Hint, hint, hint.
Bottom line... buy a amp that has at least 50% more rms power than what your subs are rated. Don't match the rms, so bigger than needed rms amps don't have to work so hard
Subwoofers never really play at the ohm load on the box either so you're never going to get 1 ohm power for more than a split second and the bulk of the time the subs will be at 1.8 or 2.1 ohms anyway while they're playing.
I was thinking of running a 1200 watt amp with some 800-1000 watt speakers soon. Should I go a little higher? I don't think so tbh.
@@sergioh2015 it will be ok
The amp don't know what the subs are rated for.
Hmmmm so I have the sundown zv6 12 on a sundown 4k that’s almost 50 but still clips
Voltage drop and tuning while loaded or unloaded and playing out of tuning aka bandwidth. Hopefully this is helpful as well. You are awesome brotha.
The head unit can clip to the amp then the amp can clip to the subwoofers or speakers. The audio controls lc2i loc tells you when the head unit clips. I learned that when I hooked up the dd1 to the amp.
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true. that's why I tell people to never use an oscilloscope or multimeter to set the gains on your amp. you need to know the maximum clean output of the head unit and you can't find that number without a DD-1 or DD-1+
If you watch Barevids on youtube, he showed an example of this, he proved that even if the head unit put out a clipped signal the amplifier if the amp has a low pass filter it will out any noise and re smooths the signal. this is because clipping adds high frequency noise to your signal so if the amp has a low pass that filters them out.
@@mr_killjoy4205 wow you couldn't be so much further from the truth. A oscilloscope is literally looking at electricity and waveforms You should learn a oscop and throw the DD1 in the trash.
@@livingthelife2wice he also sends a squarewave into the amp and it poops out a sinewave magically. People are so sold on the waveform shape they dont even understand what a waveform is. He litteraly shows you and people are still like "nuuu uhh" while gripping their beloved dd1 and in smd we trust pamphlet of how to be another basshead sheep
Had a shop tune mine "by ear" five mins later started smelling coils. Bought a dd1 and have had zero coils smell.
gotta sundown x8 v4 d2 with the 2800rms jp23. has this clipping issue figured this would be a winning combo. would upgrade to bigger but my fear of this not being the issue holds me back
Very good info on Clipping Jp!! But with some amps there just a crappy design like the Sundown SFB 2000 i bought from y'all this spring. As soon as i bumped the gain with it hooked to my xv2 it was clipping and the amp burned itself up in 6 hours. But i went and bought a Deaf Bonce AAB Atom 2000D afterwards and it plays perfectly fine even with a slight flicker of the clip light
Well if you didn't tune it right don't blame the amp. My SFB-1000 is tuned to soft clip on purpose and it's been running strong for like a year.
@@Thezuule1 I've been soft clipping the original Sundown SAZ1500 for years with no issues. Decent amplifier for sure.
Good information. Also the head unit can cause it as there is a amp in there to. Amp feeding you amp. After everything is turned you need to know your systems limits.
so I have a 160a alternator that puts half at idle, a new group 35 battery up front with the big 3, 1/0 ofc running to the back to 2 semi truck starter batteries powering a (true) 3000w ds18 amp putting out 2100 at 2 ohms. it's connected to 2 sdr 12s that take 650 each rms and 1200 peak. How am I getting clipping when my voltage doesn't dip below 13 and I have so much electrical going on.
I got your JP23 amp and from what I hear the clip was not a problem unless it is a solid yellow color. If it's just flickering it's not a big deal. Dunno much about audio but my bass still hits even when it's in clip city lol ..
@BEATING NCP93 I plan on adding a 320 alt with big 3 .. nothing happened yet I just don't turn it passed half way on the knob yet
@BEATING NCP93 I have the the D4S lithium battery 🔋 😎 and 0 gauge wire running to the amp already. My other battery is a Optima yellow top 👏 But yeah I wanna get a new alt next most deff. What's a good brand?
Back it down if it flickers
@BEATING NCP93 no dimming lights. Just the yellow clip light kinda flashes like every 10 seconds sorta flocker
@BEATING NCP93 yeah my setup is 4 SKAR EVL 8" with a jp23 amp. Still hits but I can't turn the gain up high or the voltage drops. (Hope the new alt solves that) What system u running?
JP it can be electrical too when it hits the 11s
hence why you should always work on your electrical first; before you even power the system on for the first time.
@@mr_killjoy4205 I bump at 15volts and I'm not clipping
I'd love a jp series amp just for the clip indicators although I only have 800wrms worth of sub..
they make the JP8 which is an 800W @1ohm amplifier
JP8 would be great for you then
I have a JP8 and it is nice. It would suit your needs. You typically want more amp than sub because of impedance rise and other factors, a sub will never see the full power of the amp pushing it. At least no for more than a brief moments when playing music. Some channels on youtube show real time numbers while playing music and it is not unusual for a 3k amp to push between a couple of hundred watts up to maybe a bit over 2k while playing music. It is a whole rabbit hole to go down but if you try to match numbers, you will sell yourself short and possibly wind up clipping because it doesn't sound that loud.
I have had my JP8 for a while now and love the clip light. I don't think I will ever get an amp again without a clip light. Songs are recorded at all sorts of different levels and picking one for setting your gains makes the others a bit, or a lot, sub-optimal. This gives some wiggle room and I can just nudge things up to just before clipping and roll with it without worrying. Not sure on your setup but if you think your ride could handle it, I would almost say get the JP23. Gives you room to upgrade and no one is ever "finished" with their system it seems. Always wanting a bit more power and volume. If not you can get a second JP8 later. It is strappable and gives 2300w @2 ohms.
JP, I have been waiting for thid video since i bought my SUNDOWN X V2 D2 along with a SFB 3000D which I am doubting right now if I need to upgrade to a SALT 4 AMP or get an ALT or a JY LITHIUM BATTERY. good video like always I watch all your content. @DOWN4SOUND 🙌
Kid you can’t run SFBS below 1 ohm. You will have to get a salt 4 and run it at half ohm. You’ll need a high output alternator and some good batteries
@@dretey9072 how would he run a single D2 sub at 0.5 ohm? Kid...
What if you turn on your car and the amp is already clipping without subs hooked up and without wires touching? What could it possibly be
I would check the gain and also make sure things like bass boost are turned off. You don't need any speakers hooked up for the output on the amp to be clipped. I would imagine 80% of people have their gain set too high. Maybe by a lot or maybe just a little but it is a very common thing and a lot of people just kind of guess at it. They fry equipment and lose interest in the hobby when it was just a matter of matching the gain to the source. Generally, once everything is setup properly, bass boost just isn't necessary and lots of people fry subs with it.
Thank you, bro I have learned a lot from this video ❤❤
The analogy about running is the best
Is it true that clipping light flashing when the bass drop ok as long as you don’t have a solid light ?
Mr J-analogy. Lol. I love it. Dam good explanation
SOME amplifiers you can very distinctively hear the very beginning of it clipping the sine wave HOWEVER how will you know unless a clip light or Oscope (DD1 if only at 40Hz) is used to know which amplifier you can and can not. so I agree good luck. The reason clipping kills is because it causes excessive amperage, amperage equals more heat, and heat kills all. Clipping is a very specific form of distortion, , I wouldn't say they are one of the same.
3:02 in that was some Socrates shit jp..mind blown😵😵great analogy
.FR 4:53 into video and ANOTHER knowledge 💣......my brain hurts
Good one JP somebody told me that when the sub is trying to mimic that sign wave, and when it stops where it goes straight across, that’s when the voice coil is heating up and it burns it and kills your subs or whatever speaker you got. You won’t be able to see it stop but when it momentary stops that’s when the voice calls is heating up and melts.
Got to start at the head unit. If it’s clipped so will the rest of your signals to the amp. It’s only amplifies the signal. Got to check and set at every unit. Head unit, high output to RCA’s Dsp and the amps. It’s a process.
Ordered a amp for my dad…cant wait to order mine next check 😆 maybe the 33
The jp23 is a very nice amp. The temp and clip light are very useful. When testing the clip light to an o scope, the clip light comes on before actual clipping occurs. It could be set at 1% and thats too little for me to see on my o scope. Nonetheless it guarantees that you will not clip the amp.
Yes sir love the vids, and the website! I have a Sundown x12 v3 on an JP23 plus dual inputs a 320 amp Alt mechman, big 3, 0Guage throughout the vehicle, xs Power 3400 under the hood and a kinetic 2400Hc in the back…is that ok?
Have 2 12 kicker cvx with deafbonce 1.600.1 with 4 gauge clips when ever I use the epicenter
When adjustments to the gain for clipping do I need to have the bass volume control, on the head unit, at what setting. Say for instance the bass control level, on the head unit, has a 0-10 levels what number level do I need to have that set at when testing for clipping?
I believe that is extra power for the sub. Take this with a grain of salt but I have a headunit that has the similar volume thing, but I just leave it at 0. I believe it’s just for those who want to add more volume to your subwoofer.. I think it depends on your power and your subs limits…
Just use your maximum undistorted headunit volume and leave the bass thing at 0 and I think you should be good.
But I used a -10 sub test tone for my sub, on the amp gain.
Basically see what works for you and what sounds good. Experiment with it until you get it right. Hope this helps as I see no one has replied to you.
I'm running two sdr 12s skar, RMS 1000 per and my amp is mono blk 1 channel 8000watts rated at 4 rms, my amp is turned down nearly to zero on all settings but my Xover is turned up pretty good and I'm clipping around 27 volume. But I'm only running 8 gauge power and ground, and a very old alternator, have two batteries but not upgraded yet on the big 3.
Jp thanks for explain clipping . An I love your line of amps. There are so awesome 👍👍 I don't just have one favorite amp,I like in your line up know there so many to choice from . Cool stuff jp .
That jp95 is beautiful
I have 2 zvx15 d2 skar audio and a skar3500.1d and it's clipping it didn't last 2 weeks ...my question is do I need 2 3500.1 d amps 1 for each sub? I need help with this setup
Nevermind, he just answered my question!
Thank God my buddy has a dd1 and set all my stuff for me
Is low voltage one of the reasons for clipping?
what do mean low voltage???? there is no one running amps at 10 volts in a car NOT POSSIBLE THE AMP WILL NOT SWITCH ON PERIOD IT IS AMPS FROM THE ALT/SUPPORT BATTS BANKS THAT RUNS IT.
@@________GHOST________ like when the voltage drops because there isn't enough current available.. the fuck with the caps and the attitude?
Hey JP you got your own amps and tweeters when you going to do a Subwoofers that way you can supply a completely JP system????
Good analogy. Tripping is clipping, nice 😎
Great advice. Thanks man
What’s the difference between amp protect mode and clipping
That was well put
Jp what amp would you recommend for 2 sundown x8v4? Jp23 or jp33?
So I noticed a red light blinking on my Amp when the bass note hit. I didn't get a clipping on my bass nob though.. Assuming that red light is the clipping light. Why would this be the case?
Do you have one with clipping light and inclined for RCA? And even better if it had voltage meter
Good job Jp.
Question. I have an amp that does 4000 RMS, and 2 kicker solo x 15” subs wired down to 1 ohm to the amp. Gain set to right before distortion and Crossovers set to 25hz of my 30hz tuned box, 80hz for LPF. Using the SMD DD-1 & CC-1. Have 350 amp HO alternator with a 2nd battery XS power 3100 with a 630F ultra cap bank. Im getting a soft clip at louder volumes 34/35 of 38. With Bass Knob turned half to 3/4 way up. I get soft clipping at dynamic kicks with like a flash of red clip light, and if i turn the volume or bass up more it will be more of a hard clip with a solid red clip light. should I get a larger amp that can feed the 4k RMS with extra headroom such as a 4500/5000 watt amp.
Hey Jp...thanks for the video...I just got my first full setup from d4s including the jp95...I'm a newbie and would like a tutorial on which channels to wire my mids and my super tweeters...any suggestions?
yeah , i have the jp95 also . Can't wait to install it . Did you watch the video by Williston Audio Labs ? He explains what you're asking about . Have you installed any of your equipment yet ?
@@HighVybeTribe yes I have and yes I have lol thanks brother
@@jasonwelborn1903 Np 👌 sorry for the late info😎
How are you liking it so far ? I'm stoked about bass knob & clipping indicator
@@HighVybeTribe I like the clip light too. I'm happy with the amp but ready for more power but I've gotta get a ho alt first. One thing at a time
I have an older unit in my 1991 Mustang, it plays nicely on startup but starts distorting after the Car warms up ? Can the unit itself be overheating ? Thats what it seems like to me ??😅
Can you use the clip light on the jp to set the gains?
This video low key helped hella
Happy New Year's JP
I get a buzz before clipping on JP Amos is that normal ?
Hey I have this but one question.
My head unit Max volume is 33 but it clips at 25. Does that affect my amplifier to subwoofer. We are using the tool plus your knob
YEEOOO This is being downloaded and shown to my buds.
Explain it to them like the subwoofer is trying to follow the sign wave but it stops at the point it clips and it’s when it stops. The little voice coil wire starts heating up. So the subwoofer moves up and then hits the clip and stops the moves down. Hits the clip and stops momentarily. You can’t see it but it’s happening and then when it does that that’s when the voice coil starts heating up and the wire burns into
Is there a bass knob that I can purchase for my amp because on my knob it doesn't have a clip light? Please let me know thanks
As a master tech in the electrical/mechanical fields I am curious why you do not explain this correctly. Three things are important here: as follows:
Voltage, Ampacity, and Electical draw vrs what is actually available. These three things equate to actual output - PERIOD.
Maxium electrical draw is required first to determine what the actual wire sizing needs to be for any given system. For example: A 12 gage wire will handle 20amps with 140 feet of wire run- constant @120volts, safely. So if we consider electrical loss over said run (voltage drop) we also need to consider ampaicity of said wire- hence the rating. The number one rule (Ohms Law) is as follows: As voltage drops, ampreage rises- and as voltage rises, ampreage drops this is true in ALL electrical circuts be it an AC or DC circut. The alternator(s) in your car uses a rectifier circut to create an AC electrical signal then rectified into a DC electrical charge for your battery(s). This is basically how your cars charging system functions. FYI, DC stands for Direct Current and AC Stands for Alternating Current. Direct Current is where electrical signals flow in one direction -Possitive to Negitive (depending on whom you ask). AC flows in two directions and has no actual ground at the source, it's "ground" is actually neutral- it acts as a return path and as a ground source at the same time. No this is not the same as a floating ground.
When a circut is over driven you get "clipping" this is due to many factors, but for the most part the amplifier is "out of gas"- or over driven, this, be it lack of voltage or amperage usually both. However, really good amplifers with properly designed regulators wont let this happen. I wont go on any futher upon this topic as it would be a moot point, Except to say this: your typical car audio amp has a 12 volt source @ a given ampreage, where as - a home audio amp has a 120 volt source @ a given ampreage- do the math. :) Volts times amps equals watts. One thing that has always botherd me about car audio is the S/N ratio it is usually below 85 Db - this is terrible. Consider the audio circut and the noise interjection.
But I will say this, consider your grounding & power points, they need to be thick and rust free- preferably directly coupled to the battery source and never crimped in a bad manner. Always remember Polarity is king in a DC Circut- as it rules what DC sources actually do (push or pull) and finally remember this- AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT- the output of your car audio amp is a DC source (Polarity driven), a very different animal then your home audio set up, yet excatly the same, ask yourself why?
What if my amplifier gain is almost all the way left, turned up just about 1/10 but still clipping when I turn the head unit to volume 22/50? Also I have the big 3 upgrade and 3 batteries.
i appreciate these informative videos as somebody with not much knowledge in the hobby lol
Most of the customers I service have done self installs and the source is usually clipping. I use the SMD DD-1+ and CC-1 to calibrate these systems and the difference in night and day. Most recently, a customer had a Boss mono block amp that supposedly put out 1125w rms @ 2 ohms. He did the 3/4 volume and DMM method and set the voltage at 47v. It sounded like crap. After going through the system, turns out this crap amp was clipping at 19.7v, barely able to put out 195w. Can't reliably use a DMM to set gains on a cheap Walmart or Amazon amp.
Does voltage drop cause clipping
yes. If your voltage is going down, its usually good to cut the volume back a bit.
So if I have a small system. 300 rms with a 12 I dont have to worry as much since its not high power?
I just installed a taramps md800.1 earlier this week, two ds18 z10 elites d4vc wired together to 1 ohm. I had to put a switch on one output wire from the amp to the subs and have it turned off at first otherwise when it powers up the subs thump and the clip light comes on and shuts down the amp and it does it repeatedly. Do you have any suggestions to fix this?
That’s really good info thanks bro
I turned to gain n the sub actually had a weird sound almost like coil scratching type noise, subs are new and so is the amp. Have u ever experienced that noise
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I got a 370 mechman, 2 d3400 xs batteries under the hood, a d4s lithium battery in the back, 1/0 gauge wire running, big 3, 2 ZV5 12s on a DB aak4000 tuned with the dd1 and i still clip, i dont get it. Everything is hooked up correctly
You need a bigger amp. The DD1 is just to match the head unit and the gain on the amp. Your ZV5 are under powered
@@shaunkimberling214 so that explains the clipping? Wat else can i get thats Korean board besides that db aak4000 that would be better?
@@bashns7743 Taramps makes a really good amp but it’s Brazilian board the MD8000.1
i always have my Amp volumes / bass volumes on the 11 Point top middle of the 12 number clock type of number wheel of the volumes type so i don't overpower and clip my amps/subs/speakers. I got told that the top middle 11 point to 12 point top middle of the numbers clock volume knobs keep them around 11 and 12 points volumes so you don't overpower / so you don't blowout the subs/amps/speakers. It's the safest point of the volumes?
I have a salt2k for two sa10s and the clipping light comes on
Do you all carry those bass/clipping controls?
okay but how do i tell the difference between clipping and a blown sub it sounds blown but the guy at the audio place said my amp was just clipping
Hi. I have a JL Audio HO112R-W7AE Ported H.O. Wedge. I purchased a JL Audio JD1000/1 1000 Watt Class D Mono Amplifier to power the sub. The W7 is a 3omh sub . The amp can push 800W RMS @ 3 ohm. Will this be under powering the sub? IS it going to be clipping ?
Or would the D7500 XS batt be better? Thank
I have 2 15’’ xmaxx subs from American bass 4K rms 8 k peak power . Which amp do I need
I have a sundown 1750d mono block amp on two skar sdr 10’s and I get clipping and I blow fuses how can I prevent that ? Up grade subs or upgrade amp and subs ?
What about the protection light flashes on the jp23?
But no one makes a bass knob that shows clipping besides the jp series and what if u can’t afford them?
I imagine that not having a pure sign wave like if an inverter or generator is being used not providing a complete buffered power supply could potentially cause this if it's not supplying power with the frequency at or below that of the signal to the Sub? I guess if it was a constantsound at all it would be noticed and 60 Hz is pretty universal
You know he loves his job
My clip light goes on and off on my sundown 1750 class d amp is that ok. The clip light dose not stay on but goes on and off
Is the Jp23v2 good for the sundown 12x v3?
I need some help. I have the sfb1000 amp running a SA classic on 1 ohm.
the amp keeps clipping. I sent it to sundown for testing. they said amp is good and issue is cause by bad rca signal from the radio and music source bluetooth. They said it was premature clipping.
Is there such thing?
How do I fix this?
What if it's clipping on the amp but not on the smd dd1?
SO what would be a good amp for the sundown u12 d2? I'm currently running a pair of skar vd10's with an rp1200, with the gain on the amp less than half or maybe half and the knob half way I can hear it at times clipping.
What's the use of having a car system if you can't turn it up because its clipping
My bass knob says my jp6300 is clipping but not on the amp? Someone please let me know what is hapoeninv
Thanks that actually helped
Ty for this video. But I have a question I hope you can answer. I have a JL 1000.1 mono amp and 2x 10 inch pioneer Z series subs. My amp has a clipping indicator on it. Only on some songs and certain bass lines does the light flicker for a second and goes back off. Of course if they hold a certain bass line for 3 seconds the light will light up for that 3 seconds but that is very rare. Is this safe?
I’m no expert but my best guess would be power issue. Sounds like on some bass parts of songs your amp clips cause it’s trying to use more power than your vehicle can provide.
Again that’s just my guess. Maybe try to test it with an amp clamp and a multimeter.
Man Im stuck my audio doesn’t clip when my loc is not wired onto the speaker wires from my head unit but when it is all speakers clip and high volume its driving me nuts I’m not getting my moneys worth out of what I bought I’m only getting half the potential of volume
You buy a dd1 and comprehend what you read and do the procedure correctly.
you expect too much of people brother lol.
but no; on a serious note, I wish everyone would take your advice.
I have two 10” shallow mount subwoofers, a 2,500 watt monoblock amp, wired in parallel to 2 ohms, with an aftermarket head unit. I don’t have a bass knob, I use a radio pick up cable. It used to run with the bass all of the way up, on like volume 30. One day I sold my old amp so I plugged it up to show the guy it worked. When I plugged my amp back in I accidentally shorted the wires plugging them in so I replaced my fuses, and within 3 weeks it started clipping. And thoughts?
My 8k taramp clips if i rilly crank it up on 1 zv5 15. So my sub is taking 6.7? When im not? And i got mechman 320 titan 8 cap and d3400r