THE HUNGER GAMES: Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes Reaction *where is lucy gray?!
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- Hey guys, I'm back with another video!! So, I finally decided to sit down and watch the new hunger games movie! I really wanted to go to the cinema before xmas to watch this one but I decided it's only fair that I experience this one with you guys! This was honestly one of the most intense movies to edit, simply because there is so much substance I couldn't cut much out. Enjoy!! xoxo
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I completely admire the fact that as soon as she saw a red flag from Coriolanus, Lucy Gray got the hell out and tried to escape.
I still didn’t see any red flags
@@DanLanningPRTeamhe…murdered people and didn’t tell her.
On top of that he showed that he really didn’t care what relationship he had, if you posed enough of a threat to him he would kill you. She was the last piece of evidence against him and she knew that chances are he would kill her eventually to save himself.
@@maggierappa417 yeah but did you see him shirtless with a buzz cut? Bro did nothing wrong
@@DanLanningPRTeam😂😂 I can fix him
I hope all the teen girls that read this book will do the same in their own lives.
Gotta give major props to Rachel Zegler; instead of lypsincing to the already recorded versions of the songs, she chose to sing live on set for every take, to better set the atmosphere for herself and others. She's just incredible.
I just learned this too! She didn't do live takes of the song in the arena, the director said that if she'd done that, it would have damaged her vocal chords. I don't know why specifically, my guess is there is kind of a growl in the way she sings it, but there is probably way more stuff. I don't sing so I have no clue. She really does have such a fantastic voice, I've been so impressed listening to the soundtrack and covers of other songs on UA-cam. This makes me want to watch the West Side Story that she is in.
@@alyssanielsen8521also prob had to do with the number of takes needed for that scene. looked like there were a lot of different shots with a lot of CGI snakes. i imagine just that scene could’ve taken a full day or more and while rachel is talented, people just aren’t meant to be singing/belting for that long.
@@lustforlimerence I didn't even think about the number of takes! It would totally be different with having to do the CGI. I wouldn't be surprised if they spent more than a day filming that.
I really think that was the reason they casted her. She's not a good actress and it shows specially at the first half of the movie, but her live singing voice really "distracts" people away from it.
The theory behind Tigris is that she quit being a tribute stylist after Finnick’s year. She was his stylist and then learned that Snow prostituted him to Capital citizens. Disgusted, she ceased all communication with her cousin and became a rebel ally.
I like that. I have an headcanon that the mentors next year are business and Fabricia "buys" a tribute who turns out to be Mags. And Tigris helps Mags. So that would dovetail nicely with this fictional thing I made up since Finnick is like Mags' son.
The book hints that Tigris had to do sex work during the dark days just to keep her and Coriolanus fed. And he KNOWS this, he figures it out but decides to mentally block it out
specially because in the book, it is implied that Tigris had to sell her body in order to provide for the family, so Finnick's situation would really hit home for her
The theory sounds nice, but in mockingjay Tigris herself says that Snow cast her out
@fuzzyapple actually, Katniss just assumed that was the reason why
rachel zegler said lucy gray is a performer forced to fight and katniss is a fighter forced to perform and i can't stop thinking about it
I Agree with you on that one and it is True
that phrase lives rent free in my mind 24/7
You have to remember the moment peeta falls for katniss is when she sings at school and they’re all surprised that the voice of an angel comes out of her leading to obviously more hints that she’s part of the covey
@@izziehwyeah her dad definitely was a descendant from the covey since he has a beautiful voice and taught katniss all the songs she knows including the hanging tree
@@clover2739i don’t think this is it. lucy and katniss aren’t related even if through convey. the whole point of katniss is that she isn’t a chosen one, she didn’t want to be a mokingjay. she only wanted to save sister. and as for the song - songs survive especially meaningful ones i think that’s partially why lucy sings only when she has something to say. what i mean to say is that talking about how katniss and lucy connected diminishes katniss’ story so…
The fact that the idea of the Hunger Games was made up by two drunk college students who were having a breakdown over an assignment is actually hilarious
source?
@@salliejones6002the Dean literally said it at the end.
OH THOUGHT THE AUTHOR LMFAOO@@raphaelnouh1442
@@salliejones6002did you not watch the end of the movie?
misread I thought the book@@Nick_Charliespr1ng
fun fact! in the original hunger games book katniss explains that her father named her katniss because those plants were a great source of food when times got hard. as he put it, “as long as I found myself I’d never be hungry”
I'm so glad that when he killed the boy in the arena, you said the third strike was uncalled for. When Snow says that it made him feel powerful, you also saw the red flag. So many commentators and my friends just brushed over that. Also, when he punches Billy, it feels like an excessive number of punches and he has to be pulled off of him. He was unhinged from the start and I don't think people understand that.
Bro was messed in the head from the first chapter
Well to be fair regarding punching Billy, he had that coming for trying to grab Lucy when she clearly didn't want anything to do with him. Punk needed to be taught a lesson.
Yeah, when you're in his head in the book, you can tell the man has issues from the first page
My friend who didnt read the book (and me who only read the before the games part) understood very well that he was unhinged.. I don’t get people who don’t see it or don’t care
@@mayfielclpeople ignore the important details because they thinks the "good thinks" he did for "love" earned all the bad things he do
It's completly unknown if Lucy survived or not. Also in the Book. Suzanne Collins ( the author) left it out in the open. I don't know if this crossed your mind but can you imagine the mind fuck Snow must be going through when he hears Katniss and the People in the Districts sing the Hanging Tree Song ( Lucy's Song !) 60+ Years later during the 2. War, as an Act/ Symbol of Rebellion in order to bring him down. Like, imagine you have this crazy falling out with your girlfriend, you go on and live a luxury and wealthy Life Style and end up in the highest position of power there is. Then a girl starts a Rebellion against you and suddenly you hear her sing your Ex- Girlfriend's Song, that you most likely haven't heard in over 60 years 😂
Obviously she survived because the Lucy he shot at was an hallucination, her dress was different to the one she was wearing at the cabin.
@@elle4542It actually wasn’t a different dress. It wasn’t until my third watch that I realized it was the same dress. She just wasn’t wearing the orange scarf
@@tmm4195 it actually was a different dress, the cabin dress has triangle looking shapes on the skirt whereas the other dress has a colourful skirt.
Snow hears that song in his nightmares I am sure of it
@@04nbod underrated comment :)
1) We don’t know what happened to Lucy Gray (it’s a mystery, just like she is)
2) I don’t think there are plans for a sequel to this. It was a one off book.
3) Dean Casca didn’t know the vial of morphling was poisoned, Snow killed him
3) I was wondering that, thank you for that info❤
No I heard Suzanne is planing to write a sequal
@@Gunnhfran2she may but only if it has some message like the rest so idk
I thought she just said she’s probably not writing another one
I heard that she writes when she has a story to tell(? like she's not forcing it (and I really respect that)@@morgan1076
The parallel between Coral in this one and Cato in the original movie, both realizing they killed all those people and it never really mattered, so good!
It's not really a parallel though. Cato didn't regret killing all those other tributes, because that's what he trained and prepared for for years. The only regret he had was losing in the end and as his final act he wanted to take the tribute that betrayed him (Peeta) with him.
Coral on the other hand did not prepare for this, careers weren't a thing back then. She killed to survive, but was then hit with the fact that they are all gonna die anyway. The outcome (from her pov) would've been the same even if she just hid in a corner and didn't hurt anyone else.
@@fuzzyappleRight. Coral was trying to survive, Cato was doing it for the glory, 'cause he was raised that way.
Wovey broke my heart “Is it over? Can we go home now?” Reaper was so honourable - proving that though Katniss was the spark that lit the fire, there were others - they were just snuffed out too quickly to catch fire.
ow my heart
Wovey made me cry so hard. She was too pure, too innocent, for the world she grew up in.
Rachel actually improvised the bow at the reaping bc she thought it would be a great parallel for katniss bow in the OG.
also she decided to sing live on set bc she said that it brings out the emotions more….and she did it flawlessly.
another thing is that she did almost all of her stunts.
she also worked with a teacher to be able to nail the accent and got herself lessons on how to sing more southerly. she worked her ass off for that role and it turned out amazing.
In the books, we read from Snows pov so a lot more things are clear, here are some things from the books that im sad wasnt made more clear in the movies (also just some fun facts):
-Arachne’s death was actually pretty sad. Snow hesitates for a second and Lucy Gray pretty much is the one to yell and tell him to help her. His commentary is what upsets me, though. He basically goes on about how even though she was a bad person, he still had known her since they were in diapers and was his “friend” nonetheless.
-Snow talks about what would happen if he didnt get the Plinth Prize (the money) and mentions how he’d probably sell Tigris’ body for money, just like he did with the tributes in the original 4 movies.
-Lucy Gray actually sings the same song that Katniss sang to Prim & Rue. Deep In The Meadow I think it was called.
-Rachel Zegler (Lucy Grays actress) actually originally denied the role of Lucy Gray. She was already away from family for a long time filming Snow White and wanted to return home instead of jumping into a new project, but she found out her boyfriend Josh was accepted into the movie. Josh plays the role of Sejanus Plinth.
-Lucy Grays cousin, Maude Ivory, had more time to shine in the books, she’s actually one of my favorites for absolutely no reason lol i wish they showed her more.
-Lucy Gray and Snow kissed much earlier. They kissed in front of everyone during that one moment where the mentors were interviewing the tributes and the tributes were chained to tables.
-Tigris washed Lucy Grays dress for her. Im actually really upset that they didn’t include Tigris and Lucy Gray’s friendship in this.
-There are theories that Katniss’ grandmother is Maude Ivory (like I mentioned, Lucy Grays cousin) or is somehow related to Lucy Gray because Katniss sings and knows songs that Lucy Gray herself wrote. There are songs that Lucy Gray never preformed, and only sung in front of The Covey or Snow and yet Katniss knows them. They think its Maude Ivory because she had a good memory when it came to music and could remember songs even with only hearing them once before. Maude Ivory and Lucy Gray were really close so it’s rumored that she remembered her cousins songs and passed them on to keep her memory alive. The reason why Lucy Gray’s hanging tree song sounded different to Katniss’ is because of how long it was passed down for. The pace of the song was kinda messed with. Katniss’ sounds kind of rushed and hurried while Lucy Gray’s is slow and relaxed.
- Its important to add “Gray” to “Lucy Gray” and “Ivory” to “Maude Ivory” because its in their culture to be named alongside a color. Lucy Gray mentions how “The Covey always liked color” so its a tradition to be named with a color. In the books, when people just call her Lucy, she corrects them and tells them that her name is Lucy GRAY. Its her first name, like the name Mary Ann for example. You wouldn’t just call them Mary or Ann, their name IS Mary Ann.
-Also, a theory that a lot of people believe in. In the original 4 movies, you might remember how each District had an electric fence put around the entire District, the the theory is that Snow had done that so nobody in the Districts could run away like Lucy Gray did. But coincidentally, District 12 is the only one whos electric fence is broken and doesn’t work. Perhaps so that if Lucy Gray is alive and ever wants to return to D12, she can. And honestly, i believe it could be true. Lots of people dont think so because they think Snow didn’t actually love Lucy Gray, but I think he did because in the books he literally tries to gaslight himself into thinking shes Capitol-like because hes “ashamed” that he likes someone whos from the Districts. Also, he says that he wouldn’t marry Lucy Gray and not because he doesn’t like her, but he says he would rather marry another girl (i think her name is Livia Cardew or smth) but he says that he would rather marry her, not cause he likes her or something, but because he DISLIKES HER and he knows that “Livia Cardew could never make him feel like that. Not in the way Lucy Gray made him feel.”
He obviously believes in the classical “love makes you weak” trope so he’d rather marry someone he doesn’t love or even like, and then proceeds to use Lucy Gray as an example on why he needs to marry someone else 😭 in my opinion, its obvious he did have some love for her.
If I remember correctly, he didn’t purposely kill himself at the end. Snow figured out about his addiction beforehand and knew he would drink it so he poisoned it. The Dean was the only one who was truly against Snow so he got rid of him, hence the “Snow lands on top”
What you wrote about him loving Lucy Gray actually supports my thinking that he didn't. He was ashamed of her, he mocked her family and songs in his head unless they were about him, he would have left her at the drop of a hat to pursue more power if he was given the opportunity. He liked her voice and her looks, like a shiny toy, not a full person. That's not love. He was infatuated and obsessed, I would say. The way he's written makes me think he's not really capable of love as any normal person would imagine it.
@@KarolinaK00 Suzanne Collins explains it as 'What happens If someone so obsessed with control falls in love, an uncontrollable emotion?'. They are yin and yang. Opposites but she's a bit snakey and he's a bit Songbirdy. I don't see any situation where he would leave her, that's why she ends up shot. He can't leave her but she can't get out of 12 to go with him to 2. If you read his inner thoughts its not really about her telling on him. As the reaction says, she has no proof. Its that he is going to 2 and she can't leave 12. He would have to let her go.and he would never do that. He even says to himself 'What do I say, I love you but I love officer training more?' That is the crux of it. He can't have both which is probably why the berries in the 74th games annoyed him so damn much
He says “it’s the things we love the most that destroys us” so yes he did love her. He just didn’t want to admit it
^yes but there is a difference between thinking you’re in love with someone and actually loving them.
When you really love someone you make sacrifices for them, Snow never does anything for Lucy Gray unless it benefits him as well. He is infatuated with her but he wants to control her and when he realizes that he’ll never be able to he tries to kill her.
fun fact! the reaper jumpscare at 16:40 was improvised by the actor. ashley liao (clemensia) had no clue he was going to do that so her reaction was real :)
Fun fact is that when Coryo is crying, after Sejanus death, it is because he thinks he will be hung next, and no because he feels sorry about what´s he´s done 🙃
no it isn’t, he was crying because he killed the guy who thought of him as a brother and trusted him and because of how Ma would feel after finding out- it says in the book 🤷♀️
Yeah, he was upset that Sejanus "made him" turn him in and betray him. He had to, of course...
NO WAY
oh shit that take all the power from that scene ooof
I was laughing so much during that scene I couldn't help it, I was like NOW YOU'RE CRYING?!?!??! WHAT DID YOU THINK IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?? OH YEAH I GUESS SEJANU'S FATHER DIDIN'T PAY HIS WAY OUT OF THAT ONE...@@meganmcleod6152
when that last girl died in the arena i remembered this quote from crime and punishment “your worst sin is that you’ve betrayed and destroyed yourself for nothing”
I wish we got the scenes where Corio was literally beefing with a bird lmfaooo. He hated Mockingjays so much and it was so unwarranted. He also disliked Jabberjays too, but the hate towards Mockingjays was because they were spawns from Capital jabberjays and district mocking birds and thought they were an abomination cause of the cross breeding. Coriolanus was a #1 class hater. The whole book is just him hating everyone and everything except Lucy Gray and his family. Even though he had weird things to say about Tigris.
Also, Clemensia survived the snake bite and actually came back during the middle of the games. She did get some sort of reaction towards the snake venom and sort of started getting scales? Like a snake and shedding skin. It was grimey to read but that’s another thing I wish they put into the movie.
@@angiepalacios94 Insane 'cause in Katniss' time, some people had scales _for fashion._
@@EmmarainePink yeah! I feel like that would’ve been cool if they brought it to the movie but they didn’t. Kind of makes me think that’s how Tigris got how she did in the og Hunger Games movies, but instead of snakes, it was a tiger. It’s awful what the capital doctors and scientists were doing with animals and humans.
I love the closing scene and snow’s voiceover at the end was actually a nice touch before the songbird and snake come onscreen? So good
I love that the rainbow makes Lucy Gray's skirt over the statue. He's going to see her EVERYWHERE for the rest of his life
The thing that totally makes me love this movie is that we can’t know or trust 100% this characters, we can’t tell if Snow and Lucy were in love or it was a strategy (specially after seeing Lucy singing at the bar like nothing happened) and her just leaving (we can make all the theories we want but we will never have an answer) I think it’s amazing.
Yes we can say Lucy loves him, but he never loves because he was a psicopath
lucy’s character is written very honest and genuine she wouldn’t do something just for acting
I think k they loved each othe, but in a way of survival and circumstance
They were definitely in love otherwise it wouldn't hit so hard. Also, they parallel Katniss and Peeta. Snow has to choose between ambition (going to 2) or love and he chooses ambition. Katniss refuses to choose between victory and Peeta.
I don't think her singing in the bar means much, they changed that from the book. In the book she has finished her set and then sees him and sings one more song, The Valley Song. Which has lyrics like 'to see my true love go by' and 'the birds in the heavens know I love you'. And its the same song Peeta falls in love with Katniss to when he hears her sing it as kids. Lucy Grey doesn't lie when she sings, she uses song as an outlet for her emotions. When Snow asks her why she trusts him she writes a song to explain it. In the film they have her look right into the camera and sing 'I'm pure like a dove, when I've learned how to love'. She's singing that to Snow before she dies.
@@meganmcleod6152 She did say that she will often flirt while performing, but that's about it.
Oh I know where Lucy is
She’s in the trees
In the breeze
Footsteps do be on the ground
Hunter is such a queen. I screamed every time she appeared. ICON ‼️
That scene with Tigris at the end is so tragic when you think that she basically raised him and now she sees in him the man she was probably terrified of. I also love how Highbottom at the end flinches, when Coriolanus wakes him. I just know that for a moment he thought he's seeing his father.
snow killed high bottom by poisoning him, and in the other movies finnick talks about how snow got to his position of power by poisoning people. he always had a rose in his suit pocket to mask the smell of his permanent bleeding wounds in his mouth from drinking the poison to not raise suspicion. so highbottom was actually just his first victim.
Brad being team buzz is SOO real
Snow LITERALLY had a 2 month situationship with Lucy Gray and how she left his tyrant ass the second she saw the first red flag then proceeded to make it everyone else’s problem for the next 64 years- okay 💀
We don't know if Lucy gray got away or died. Just like the song, which she's named after, that she sang to snow at the lake, it's a mystery. I think it's written that way because she's meant to haunt snow even 65 years later during katniss's games. Katniss and Lucy gray share certain similarities. Like the Hanging Tree song. Lucy gray wrote it, but when snow came into power, he banned any rebellious music or sayings. Hence, Lucy Gray's songs so it was probably very haunting for snow to hear it from katniss. Especially since Lucy gray wrote it based on the hanging of the first man so snow was there for the original meaning of the song. Also, snow in the book questions Lucy Gray's intentions more. Whether or not, she actually cares for him. That's why snow tells katniss that she's indifferent towards peeta at the beginning of catching fire because snow sees himself in peeta, and sees Lucy gray in katniss. He sees katniss as this overall master manipulator. He also tells katniss in that conversation that they not lie to each other. Also in the lake scene, Lucy gray tells snow he can trust her, and in the woods later, Lucy gray tells snow not to lie to him when asking about his third kill. There's plenty of other parallels but that's some.
Dean high bottom at the end did not know the morphing he was drinking was poisoned. Snow took it out of sejanus's belongings and put something in it to kill high bottom to get him out of his way to power. That's why in Mockingjay, finnick talks about snow poisoning his enemies. It starts here.
It feels good to know that Katniss was torturing Snow just as much as he was torturing her. Not just because of his control slipping away from him, but also in his heart.
To me, it's also so clear how Peeta was much like Snow could have been had he been a selfless person deep down. The whole sharing your bread with the person you love, the whole doing everything in his power to save the person he loves etc. It's really telling how Snow and Peeta parallel each others, the same way Katniss and Lucy do. But whereas Peeta was selfless and caring, Snow was cold and possessive. It's crazy how deep down, both Katniss and Peeta represent to Snow what his life could have been.
As some call it, some sweet justice.
I've heard people saying that have only seen the movie think that Snows switch to evil was very sudden and unexpected, but the book is so much better at showing Snows very slow switch up. For example, in the book, Snow always HATED Sejanus. He only tolerated him because he knew his dad had money, that's really the only reason Snow did anything for Sejanus, hoping that he'd be rewarded. Snow also had a very weird mentality towards Lucy Gray, like very possessive and protective. I might be wrong, but I think once he thought that " he missed when she was locked up in the Capitol, because he knew where she was at all times". He was just very messed up in the head, and you can't really see it in the movie
I'm honestly glad we got this story instead of the Hunger Games of one of the characters from the original trilogy. I'm sure it would have been great, but the fact that we got Snow's rise to power and how despicable he's always been as a person offers so much more substance and context to the original trilogy. That's not to say I would be opposed to Suzanne Collins writing more Hunger Games books, but I'm glad we got this first.
Lucy Gray is the one who came up with the Hanging Tree song. That first hanging we see, the man had been convicted of murdering 3. Then the jabberjays call out (for this dead man) for his love to flee. It's also heavily I'm implied that only those in her music group would have heard the full song to remember it and Katniss's dad who sung the song is likely the son of someone in Lucy Gray's group.
I love it 💕 part of what makes Snow so paranoid of a leader is he never gets closure on Lucy Gray, she'll always be a question mark haunting him. Then one of her songs come back in the rebellion that takes him down
It's Maude Ivory. Lucy Gray's little cousin Maude Ivory, the blonde little girl. She is Katniss's paternal grandmother. She could memorize a song after hearing it once so Lucy Gray probably taught it to her before the whole situation with Snow. Then she passed it onto her son Mr. Everdeen and he passed it onto his daughter Katniss.
In the book Clemensia does just get bit by the snake. She survives it but is left with snake-like qualities. Scales on her neck and the whites of her eyes turning yellow, her skin also peel like a snake shedding its skin
I actually love that cause I have a feeling that somehow it is kind of the start of the crazy fashions in the Capitol
a detail i really liked is that the last thing lucy said to snow is "im gonna go find katniss" 😮😮
as a book-reader who hadn’t watched it, i went feral when the jabberjay recording started playing when sejanus was getting hung 😭😭🙏
So, this story is much more complex than first meets the eye. The story explores three different strands of philosophy about the nature of humans and the type of governance required to govern them. These are drawn from real life philosophers and their work, and are represented through how Viola Davis' character, Lucy Gary, and Tigris view humans and the world. The story explores how Corio, through his experiences, ends up picking one of those philosophies - that of Viola Davis' character, and that explains why he does what he does in the Hunger Games series. It is actually a brilliant piece of storytelling by Suzanne Collins, and arguably the most important dimension of the story that is lost in the movie, it is much more present in the book.
What were the three philosophies?
The thirsting after the buzz cut is too real
yes😭
No one thinks Lucy Gray's dress is ugly. SHE ATE AND LEFT NO CRUMBS.
Coriolanus had poisoned the vial. In the Hunger Games movies he's known to poison his enemies. The vial was just supposed to be the morphling drug that guy usualy takes
I would love for there to be a follow up, which would be the 11th Hunger Games, which is the game Mags won (the elderly tribute who volunteered for Annie in Catching Fire) and they could bring Tom Blyth back as Coriolanus Snow and bring back Viola and Hunter as well. Also Lucy Gray's ending is supposed to be a mystery like the Lucy Gray from the song she was singing by the lake. Lucy Gray is a fictional character from a poem by William Wordsworth, it's about a girl who went missing during a "snow" storm and her footprints being what was last seen.
I was so concerned that this movie would be bad. I was pleasantly surprised how good it was!
In the books, Grandma'am did eventually see Lucy Gray as more than a "savage" after the performance at her interview with Flickerman. She described Lucy as, "a sad, trashy little thing, but oddly appealing. Perhaps it's her voice. It gets inside a person somehow," Just like how you said her voice gave you the goosies. It goes how good Lucy's charm is
Also listen to Can’t Catch Me Now by Olivia Rodrigo. It was written for the movie and I love it so much. It feels like it’s a song from Lucy’s perspective after she got away (well in my head she gets away). It’s shortlisted for an Oscar.
I'm pretty sure she gets away. There's no way she was stupid enough to stick around - that girl was halfway across the country by the time he went looking for her. She knew he was going to kill her. She wouldn't stay just to taunt him.
38:10 The jabberjays repeating the dead man calling out for his love to flee. That could be a sick song lyric.
There’s a pretty popular theory that Lucy Gray’s cousin, Maude Ivory, is Katniss’s grandma. There’s more hints in the book, but even in the movie she’s a singer, she knows the Hanging Tree song, she knows where the lake is (Katniss used to visit a lake out in the forest when she was a kid), and the actress in the movie looks a lot like Prim
The flowers on Lucy Grays dress are Katniss flowers so thats why in the original movies Snows refers to Katniss as Miss Everdeen only
About the "people starving in the districts" line, ironically, in the book the 13-year-old boy from district 4 is better fed than him (Snow describes him as 'sturdy-looking').
Mizzen is my favourite so I love this detail in the book! I think that it shows that sometimes people in the districts have benefits over the capitol.
Lucy Gray’s ending is supposed to be open ended. Just like the song she was named after, and that she and Coriolanus talked about at the lake, nobody knows if she lived or not. If you look up the song lyrics, it gets so much more unsettling.
I love how he was super into the dancing and clapping, but also SUPER invested in what Sejanus was doing hahahahahahahaha.
HighBOTTOM, CorialANUS, SerjANUS
someone had something on their mindszz
literally! like what was up with Suzanne putting "anus" in their names 😂
Not sure about the other ones, but Coriolanus is the name of a Roman emperor. There’s also a Shakespeare play with the same name
53:51 Lucy Gray’s ending is so poetic, because there’s actually a real ballad/poem from our world, Lucy Gray by William Wordsworth. The Covey have a naming convention where their first first name is from a ballad and their second first name is a color. Lucy Gray is the only one who gets both from a ballad.
Anyway, the premise of it is about a girl who gets lost in the woods in a snowstorm (get it, snow?) and when her parents go looking for her they follow her footprints to a bridge where the tracks stop halfway across. The ending of the ballad is left a mystery, where some people think she died in the woods, while others think she’s still living out there and you can still hear her singing.
The song that’s playing when the Covey go to the lake is adapted from the poem, and that ending is what she and Snow are discussing.
I have head canoned that Lucy Grey is some sort of ancestor to Katniss simply bc of the hanging tree song. It was lost after Lucy disappeared. So how else would Katniss know the song unless it was passed down in her family. That's just my theory though lol
“where’s the blood” WAS ME WHEN I SAW THE MOVIE
That's the cool part about the book, you don't know if lucy gray survived. He was hallucinating. But, katniss was singing all of lucy's songs in the hunger games movies. I've always thought that she lived out what she said she would do just without snow. Snow used everyone till he didnt have to. Sejanus's dad's money helped him out so he used sejanus. He used tigris until he got bored of her. Like tigris said: "Until I wasn't pretty enough anymore."
After watching the movie (I haven't yet read the book unfortunately) I thought a bit about what kind of character Snow really is. My friend asked me if I thought he was "a bad person". But my only real thought during watching was more of a "what a little selfish coward". Yes, in every scenario he somehow manages to come out at the top, like Snow, but to me it felt more like he wriggles himself out of danger at every step the of the way, sacrificing his friends and eventually his integrity. Just like a SNAKE.
I absolutely loved this film when I saw it . I really believe its up there with the other hunger games films like catching fire . I hope you love this film as much as I did
The Reaper jumpscare at 16:42 got everyone in my cinema too 😂
The way this movie is basically like "look at Coriolanus Snow and Lucy Gray Baird's weird-love-or-obsession-idk building a rebellion!" and then- "'look at Coriolanus Snow snuffing out the rebellion he created 20 minutes ago-- also fill in the gaps of the decades he spent making everything worse for every district possible and every child who will ever be reaped for the Hunger Games yayyy"
I mean:
- Lucy Gray sings a song about how the Capitol could never take who she is. She gets her life (approximately) back after the Games. Snow makes sure all the victors never leave the games and become Capitol puppets once they've won, going as far as doing experiments such as the one that turns Peeta into a murderer.
- District 12's people were allowed to roam the woods and hope for a better life through nature and all. Snow puts wires around all the Districts and purposely restricts the forest from the people in District 12.
- He changes the "pupils from the Capitol have to help the Tributes" into previous victors have to train/help the Tributes precisely *because* he experienced how devastating it was for these people to lose their tributes, thus putting the Victors on a constant state of horror and depression and guilt.
I mean you see how yes, these games were twisted, but how everything that becomes even more twisted and cruel and part of a never-ending circle of abuse didn't exist until Snow came along, experienced the thing himself, and chose to push that abuse further. And somehow, Suzanne Collins/this movie manages to make you kinda root for him for the first third of the movie (if not more) because you're (we are, the viewers) a poor delulu soul who do believe people can be good. But not Snow, he never could've been.
“Academy Rouge ✨✨” I don’t know why but that made holler 😂😂
8:36 It’s highly speculated that this girl (Lucy Gray’s cousin) is Katniss’s grandma!
Tom Blyth in that Red Outfit in his blonde era? GAGGED AND GOOPED
I loved seeing people fawn over Rachel voice, because most of them don't know that she is a classically trained musical theater performer. She actually got her big break when she was cast as Maria in Stephen Spielberg's West Side Story (which is a really iconic and classic musical, and an even more iconic character) when she was just 18. So really, I would say the reason she's so impressive is because she isn't just an actress that happens to know how to sing, but a singer who acts (really well, btw)
i am glad you understood lucy gray bc its so annoying when ppl question her choices at the end
Snow lands on top 😏
of me 🙈
He definitely has permission to land on top of me 😂🔥
So it's left totally ambiguous whether or not Lucy Gray survived (even more so in the book than the movie). The whole point is basically that you're not supposed to know and its left a mystery, which personally I love as an ending for her character. Also it's a reference to a poem by Wordsworth, The ballad of Lucy Gray, where she gets lost in the snow and what happens to her is left unknown. The symbolism is WILD.
As for Dean Highbottom, I don't think he did know it was poison. He talks at the end about how his guilt for 'creating' the games lead him to an addiction to morphine and he thought there was morphine in the vial but Snow had poisoned it to kill him. In the original books it's talked about how Snow used poison to kill his enemies and rise in power, and this is essentially meant to be the start of that.
Honestly i love this book and movie so much, the way it ties into the original trilogy is just insane and absolutely genius!
This movie is what it's like to be 'loved' by a sociopath. He was always going to kill Lucy. He just needed to feel justified for the first true betrayal. She gave him that gift.
And Lucy may actually be Katniss's grandmother.
To answer your question, yes, Coriolanus poisoned the morphling knowing that Dean Highbottom would consume it due to his addiction. It's why he brought Sejanus' things to the Dean in the first place. With the intention to kill him.
Great video by the way! 😊
I recommend watching the other movies back now! It's very interesting seeing Snow's reactions towards the things Katniss does like singing The Hanging Tree which is Lucy Grays song or how he's constantly reminded of his failure and mental break by Lucy Gray through Katniss!!!!!!
Suzanne be giving such cool names tho, super unique lol also love how Lucy gray’s iconic dress has katniss flowers stitched on her corset😆
This is the only movie I’ve watched where I read the book first, and I was not disappointed. I loved it for the adaptation it was, and nearly everything was kept in (aside from the obvious time crunch of snow’s time in 12). I wish it ended with actually seeing snow poison himself and everyone else and become president (remember in the other movies, snow wears roses to disguise the smell of blood from sores in his mouth) and it definitely hinted that snow became evil more because of the betrayal by a girl rather than in the books it describes his thoughts better, he was already going to be a psycho without Lucy gray. you could see how both Coriolanus and Lucy would mutually desert the other and snow cared more for his family rep than anything, he would likely have later sold his own cousin out if it meant keeping snows on top. but still was a brilliant hunger games movie in my opinion.
It’s hinted by the ballad that Lucy gray dies, but theories are that Lucy gray is katniss’ grandmother as she knew the hanging tree song, a song banned for decades. Maybe coz her grandmother wrote it and then katniss’ dad sang it to her…
11:19 choreolanus 💀💀💀
you not thirsting for snow up until he got a buzzcut was so funny cuz that was EXACTLY me aswell
SO EXCITED TO SEE THIS COMMENTARY!
I watched it in theaters with my best friend and we loved it sm
Several “jumpscares” in the movie, 3 of which got me. But at this moment, 16:40, EVERYONE in the theater jumped. Kinda funny considering Reaper’s mentor is trying to teach him strategies to get a reaction out of viewers. I think he’s got it! 😂
I can't remember if they explain it in the movie but, everyone in lucy gray's group was named after a song. And the song she is named after is a ghost story about a girl who's footprints in the snow just vanish. She says no one knows where she went. It's a mystery. Just like she is. So her ending being so ambiguous is a reflection of that. Coriolanus comments on how he doesn't like the song. He doesn't like mysteries and ghost stories. One of the many foreshadowed points that highlight how they were never going to be good together
brad always coming in clutch and saving the day 🎉🎉🎉
It was a beautiful film, and sets up the main Hunger Games series well.
Tom Blyth and Rachel Zegler, yes, even Rachel Zegler, are amazing as Snow and Lucy Gray.
Also because of the way Lucy Gray hid underground in the games this is why in the original Hungar Games all the tributes have trackers because Snow couldnt stand not knowing where Lucy Gray was
Coryo poisoned highbottom but yea people are theorizing that katniss is a descendant of Lucy gray thru her father whose mixed, and since only Lucy knows the hanging tree song she had to have sung it to her kid who had katniss’ father then later, katniss who sings it to prim. Plus the familiar lake where Lucy gray and the Covey like to hangout by, katniss has been taken there by her father and he’s probably sung it to her multiple times and named her after swamp potato since his grandma or mother (Lucy gray) loved the name so much. It’s why snow is so threatened by katniss bc she’s basically his karma and Lucy gray coming back to haunt him decades later
OH GIRL IVE BEEN WAITINGGGGG FOR THIS ONE
for those of yall that didnt notice this, Tigris is the same Tigris from Mockingjay that was a stylist in the games
my little theory after sitting with this movie for a while is that lucy gray didn't actually die. I think she ran away with what she could because if she returned to district 12 the peacekeepers would punish her and her family for what they witnessed. so she ran and went up north or to live far away where she couldn't be found.
Posted 32 seconds ago 😂 I've never clicked so fast. I knew you'd be thirsting over Tom Blythe. 🔥
Lovee the soundtrack, just her voice and performance gives me chills😭 and it’s funny how you edit Olivia into this cause she also sings a song off the soundtrack which perfectly describes the ending scene between snow and Lucy gray
Finnick says that Snow kills with poison most often. This is learned first by offering rat poison for Lucy to use and then he purposly left the poison morphling knowing the professor would not pass it up.
I KNEW you wouldn't be able to resist tom blyth for long 😌 I was sure the buzzcut was going to make you see the vision
WHERE IS LUCY GRAY??
And just like that my obsession with the hunger games came back. Loved this movie. Also Brad Lucy made the Song -The hanging Tree!! I just know Snow was gagged When he heard katniss Song in the mockinjay! We don’t know What happened with Lucy Gray and thats Even better cause Snow will always wonder What happened with her and she will always haunt him! ALSO LISTEN TO CANT CATCH ME NOW -OLIVIA RODRIGO-she made the Song for perfectly for the movie!! Love u
I love to think that the snake planted by lucy has some kinda alucinative poison. Because she knew that florest so well to fall in such a basic way
I just love how complex this book proves snow to be
The author left it up in the air as regards to Lucy
He made tigress a stylists then messed her up badly
Also Mags from Catching Fire won the 11th Hunger Games
I think Lucy escaped
The fact I read the book and didn’t even realize his hankie had her scent, thought it was just another memento😂 but it makes so much more sense, I’m impressed with how you figured that out just by watching haha
The editing in this paired with your hilarious personality is flawless. I'm cackling the whole way through. 😅👌👏👏
I’ve been binging your Patreon since subscribing to it. I love your reactions and how you actually dig deep into understanding the media!
Snow poisoned the morph ling, knowing that he would drink it. Also, it is highly suggested in the book that Lucy is Katniss's paternal grandmother.
brad, THANK YOU FOR THESE REACTIONS!!! as a neurodivergent person who is heavily hyperfixated on hunger games, sometimes i feel like the amount of times i talk about it is a bit annoying for my friends but watching this and seeing ur reaction makes me so unbelievably happy, like showing the movie to a friend :)) so tyyy
I'm glad the "I can't have killed them all for nothing" bit hit you too. I feel like sadly a lot of people view some of the Tributes in the Games, the ones that are actively killing others rather than just defending themselves, as purely evil, which isn't fair. I haven't read the prequel book, but from the movie, we don't know that girl's life. She may have people dependent on her in her District. She got dealt an awful lot by just being reaped, I cannot blame her for trying to survive.
I think this even extends to the Careers in the original trilogy. They were essentially brainwashed and, let's just say it, groomed, to be killers. We don't even know what age they start in the academies - it's likely their parents made the choice for them, and even if not, can a child really make important life decisions like that for themselves? No.
Unfortunately people do have a tendency to, like the Capitol citizens, have their favourites who they root for, to the point of cheering on the death of the violent Tributes. But the truth is none of these children deserved death.
The entire thing about Lucy Gray is that her fate is a mystery. She was named after William Wordsworth's poem Lucy Gray, which is about a girl who disappears in a snow storm and is presumed dead, but her body is never found; so nobody knows for sure if she died in the snow storm, or if she ran away. The poem is slightly altered in the book and is referred to as a ballad, but it is explicitly stated by Lucy Gray's cousin Maude Ivory that she got her name from that poem. Lucy Gray's destiny is quite literally told to us as soon as we find out what her name is: SHE IS TO BECOME A MYSTERY AFTER DISAPPEARING IN SNOW'S WRATH
you seriously are my fav movie commentary youtuber coz i find myself laughing at your videos so often. brad, your humour is top tier. love the video! 💕
My guess is that the snake that bit Snow was poisonous and it made him see things. So Lucy Gray wasn't really there and had already run away.
the book actually states it wasn't poisonous but he could very well be hallucination from just being insane lol
@@maddiem2890 didn't he think he was hallucinating afterwards? It's been a bit since I read it and I don't have a copy on hand cause I borrowed it from the library, but I seem to remember that.
I can't remember if he thought he was hallucinating from the bite or not, but on page 506 or somewhere near that the doctor tells him it wasn't venomous. I think it was probably more like a placebo effect, he thought it was venomous so he freaked out. @@katherynhoward3840
As someone from Kentucky that Bluegrass music makes me feel at home lol 😂
I'm so happy Brad reacted to this! Truly made my day!😊
Snow had a 2 month situantionship with Lucy Gray then proceeded to make the 64 years everyone else`s promblem
So as a person who has read the book and seen the movie, the book conveys so much more the essence of snows character. In the movie it makes you think that Lucy's betrayal caused him to act like he acts but if you read the book you realize that this was just the final push he needed he already had the mindset that we knew he just hid it one detail from the book i love is that he always refers Lucy as *his lucy gray* .