The reason AMD version has a dimmer display on battery is because of a setting within "AMD Radeon Settings" software. You have to go to the 'display' tab and disable "Vari-Bright".
Hey Andrew, this is off topic, but I just wanna thank you for making these tech videos because you helped me pick out a laptop for college :D I ended up going with the HP Envy x360 13 inch and at first I thought it was rather small, but it actually works perfectly fine with my small hands lol. It was a much needed upgrade from my old laptop which was already 7 years old. Thank you again :)
I concur, these reviews helped me pick a laptop for college. I narrowed it down to last generation's ThinkPads for budget reasons (hence why I'm here 2 years late lol) but I opted for the Intel P14S for the dedicated graphics. Thanks for the review.
I've tested both of these myself. The Intel variant constantly hit 99C and thermal throttled whilst the AMD machine maxed at 75C. This was the same for multiple machines. So I have no idea what's going on here, as they're the polar opposite to my results. Also the AMD 8 core 4750u ran cooler than the i5 (nevermind i7)
Thats basically because of the intel chips that run like heaters. Intel chips still use old fabrication techniques and they basically run hot as fire. Nothing u can do about the heat itself but using a third party software to ramp up the fans slightly more should help. Amd is a better option anytime for any laptop.
@@PlayJewel what thinkpad did you get..Im thinking to get T14 Gen 3..not sure Intel vs Amd, this would be my first laptop for work..the intel spec can upgrade RAM ddr4..for Amd,RAM not upgradable..max 32gb soldered..Intel chip as you say will cause heat more but with Amd version, I cant upgrade RAM..can I get an opinion on this..thank you
@@pendayungunggul271 do not even by mistake get 12th gen intel chips. The H and P series chip overheat like crazy, then thermal throttle within 5 minutes. Rendering the chip slower than 11th gen in sustained workloads. This is consistent with any laptop using these chips. The U series chips are already too underpowered and slow. Thinkpads have P series chips mostly. With amd u loose 5% performance in single core scores of benchmarks but they use much less power means less heat and much more battery life. And amd chips will be able to sustain the full performance without overheating or throttling means u can use full power of the chips constantly. Meaning in real world useage amd is much much faster. Ryzen 6000 series also use the rdna2 architecture graphics that are very powerful, the performance can he compared to a mobile rtx 1660 max-q variant. They are the best integrated graphics of any laptop to date. (Ryzen 7 comes with radeon 680m and ryzen 5 with 660m) The amd models also cost 100 dollars or so less. I brought the t14s gen 3 amd. The s model because it’s available with the oled display. I maxed the ram with 32gb. Soldered ram is good if ur ok with 32gb, soldering ram means they can use low power kind means even more battery life and less heat. Soldered ram is also faster (t14s gen 3 has 6400mhz ddr5 ram, upto 102gbps bandwidth, while intel one has much slower type) they are highly unlikely to fail at any point during the life of laptop, especially for a thinkpad which uses very reliable and sturdy components. So unless u go for more than 32gb its pretty meaningless to have a removable ram. If u dont care for the 2.8k 90hz oled display, i recommended going with 400nits low power display. With gen 3 t14s amd and intel u get 1 heat pipe (it is plenty for ryzen 6000) With gen 3 t14 u get more vents on the bottom and with amd u get 2 heat pipes while intel one has just 1 heat pipe so that it can throttle fast and doesn’t overheat. T14s gen 3 amd with 400nits low power display = upto 16 hours of real world battery life, with oled its about 9hrs and if u lower the resolution to fhd and refresh rate to 60hz then expect 3hr or so more. Normal t14 would have slightly less battery due to smaller battery. I have ordered mine although the expected date of delivery is 13 September due to mine being a customized variant.
I bought a T14 (non-s) with Ryzen 7 and 32GB RAM about a month ago and it fully replaced my desktop PC. It can handle older and less graphics intensive games very well and the cpu is insanely fast. ATM I'm using it with a Dell 32" 1440p Monitor over HDMI, but I also ordered some Dell 24" 1080p monitors with daisy chain support which I will use over USB-C to DP, planning on a setup with 32" 1440p + 3x 24" 1080p.
@@mustnoor not really. In performance mode the fan is always noticeable, but even under full load it's quiet compared to most other notebooks I've seen. No difference between having two monitors (1440p144 + 1080p60) connected and not using monitors. The T480 i5 is way louder.
Now this is the one for my development work. I'm using a L390 and I like it a lot... This AMD one seems like a great upgrade. Thanks for your awesome reviews Andrew, you keep bringing on the heat. Saludos
Hey, can you tell me if the screen on the T14 is actually 14 inches? I've ordered one but when compared to Flex 5 14inches, the screen on T14 looks smaller.
A thing to note about the AMD model having a socketed Wi-Fi card. Lenovo whitelist Wi-Fi cards in the laptops BIOS so only certain models of cards will work so you couldn't just upgrade to a Wi-Fi6e adapter when they are released. It's a real pain. Apparently this is done for FCC compliance as only certain cards are tested with the antennae design.
I think that may be my next laptop purchase. Currently own the Dell XPS13 (2018 version with nose camera at bottom of screen). Great review. That AMD processor seems to perform really well.
Hi Andrew, really enjoyed your review. I’d love one for the T14 versions, AMD vs Intel, and vs other laptops for things like light gaming as well as other uses. Graphical performance of the AMD Ryzen 7 pro integrated graphics vs others, even low end Nvidia discrete cards. I hear that Ryzen 7 pro option is really really good.
Nice video. Looks like AMD is starting to compete with Intel in the laptop segment of the market ; where Intel has been the Only option for a long time - hopefully this will let the cost of the laptops to get better and have a larger selection.
Compete? Intel was crushed. Ryzen 5 4500u is like the same if not better than intel i7 G7 (not to mention iGPU where Intel was smashed). And when you will look on Ryzen 5 4600u 6core's 12 threads i7 can hide. And then you still have Ryzen 7 4700u 8c/8t and 4800u 8c/16c this is a monster. I have read some threads made by people that have bought a laptop with Ryzen 7 4800u + 16gb ram and 512ssd. Those things are reaching in Cinebench R20 score like my Ryzen 5 2600 overclocked to 4.1. And when you will unlock Ryzen 7 to 35w you get like 10-20% boost (iGPU + CPU) ofc there is thermal problems but you will put cooling pad under it and you get like 6-10*C lower. Look on the YT where ppl were unlocking Ryzen 5 2500u with 35w it was on the pair with Intel i7 8th generation, and almost same as Ryzen 5 2500H. Intel is over. Look back since Intel 3-4 gen processors till 7 gen was no performance jump not to mention those funny laptop CPU's. I have had a Thinkpad T430 from 2013 with i7 3740QM 4c/8t which was on the pair with t460 with i7 HQ (this one was like 5-7% faster). First generation since 3-4 gen that gave ppl some performance jump was intel 8gen with i5 and i7 from U series with 4c/8t. Gen 4-5-6-7 all i7 U series was 2c/4t which is a joke. I am looking to buy a laptop for me now as my second driver as I have PC as main, and I know it will be with Ryzen 4000. I love thinkpads I have t450s right now (which is funny because i have i5 5300u and this one is like 30-40% slower than my T430, but it is lighter, it's making less noise and battery life is a lot better). I will not mention PC's CPU situation where Intel was making like 3-5% power jump and wanted from ppl to pay for it x2 times more.
I had the Yoga S740 with an i5-1035G4 and I now have the succesor, the Yoga Slim 7 with a 4500u. The battery life was also noticably better in my case. The Ryzen model runs the i5 into the ground. It's way more efficient and way faster, particularly in graphics. It was also cheaper lol
Oh and let me clarify: The battery life was noticably better on the Ryzen model. I'm not even sure if I have ever seen a 35 hour battery estimate while idling on any other Laptop. I sadly can't compare them directly but I'm pretty sure I've never seen such good numbers from the Intel machine.
@@age_of_reason They are hard to find and sometimes they are unavailable on eBay. There is currently a listing for another 4500u model but it's as expensive as the Intel models. I got mine for 100€ less than that. Good timing.
Thanks very much for the detailed review! The Intel version seemed to have a more muffled microphone when you were testing the webcam. The speakers on both units sounded better (more depth) than that on the HP Elitebook 840 G7 reviewed in your other video.
Great video as always. A note: There is a setting on the AMD model that fixes the display dimming on battery, i think it is called vari-bright and you can turn it off.
For 14 in laptops both are excellent business machines. Very good keyboards and displays. The internal camera on the intel one was a little better than the AMD one but both will easily get the job done. Would it be nice if they could fit the camera on the phone you reviewed the other day in these machines? The internal microphones on the Intel machine sounded very flat and slightly muffled. The AMD one sounded a little better but both could be better. Like the very easy access to the internals of these machine. No screws under rubber strips like most of the HP's. The speakers on both machines sounded fair. For business users who need mobility these are an excellent choice. Again as always another great review of both machines.
Excellent comparison...A pity it wasn't an i7 for an even more direct comparison, but understandably it's not a simple ask and this is already amazingly helpful!
@@andrewmarcdavid Ah, I didn't get that :) Thanks again for great work - based largely on your coverage of Ryzen 4xxx, I just got a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 with 4700U, and it's replacing the i7-8750H from Razer Blade 2018 easily, with no noise, no heat, 3x battery life, 30% lower weight, and it cost 999 euro vs 2500 for the Blade (admittedly, blade is with GTX1070 that I'm not using, and a great 144Hz screen) :)
Do you still have these laptops with you? These fans have identical mountpoints, so they're interchangeable. Could you actually run a test to see whether one mounted on AMD is nerfed? Because the size of the ariflow wents suggests so...
Very informative! This video helped me decide which processor variant to buy. I bought a maxed out thinkpad X13 AMD on black friday for less than the price of the T14
If we are gonna list TB3 support as a con when its missing, I think we should list soldered wifi as a con. The AX200 isn't the most reliable wifi chip (Ive got 3 dead ones in my drawer). At least if its swappable you can spend 30$ to fix and not be down too long. If its soldered you gotta send the unit in and might not even get the same model back. Also if the AMD model is running at 18w sustained load, and the Intel is running at 7W, its no wonder the Intel gets better battery.
Yeah obviously. But I still think the cooling system could be better. Atleast good enough to endure 15W under combined load. 7W in that Intel version is quite disappointing.
@@RishabhSharma-lq1id I don't know if it was a cooling issue so much as Intel wanting to claim better battery at the expense of sustained load. They are less efficient than their competitors, so tweaking like this makes sense. Of course, you can disable boost on the AMD chips and get better battery than the Intel variants, at least that's the case on the 35/45W models. I would assume the same on the 15/28W.
Great review. Also quite surprised for the difference of battery life. Always working remotely and outdoor, seems like intel model still got the advantage
That's also what I think. I like how AMD brought competition again and from raw performance per price point of view AMD is definitely better. But for folks that value battery life and don't need so much power, Intel seems to be still doing better even with 14nm process.
Brilliant review and it validated my picking the AMD version; I was deciding between those two just last week. I currently have a thunderbolt port on my ThinkPad T480s which I never used (the Nvidia MX150 Max-Q dGPU it comes with handles all my graphics needs with ease). When it came time to replace the T480s, I was disappointed that the dGPU was no longer offered in the T14s line (which supplants the T4xxs line) but then I researched the AMD version and found that the Radeon Vega 7 iGPU on it gives a performance that's close enough to that of the dGPU on my T480s to fit my needs. Other advantages of the AMD version is faster DDR4 memory (3200MHz vs 2667MHz) but, based on this review, the SSD seems noticeably slower which is bit of a bummer. All in all, the AMD is indeed the pick of the two T14s versions unless you absolutely need an external GPU (or the 4k screen, which is not offered on the AMD version).
Lenovo often use multiple suppliers for screens, keyboards and SSD's. The SSD speed *might* be a bit of a lottery and *might* not be dependent on the CPU. Regardless, it is actually cheaper to just spec the lowers size SSD, buy your own and install it.
@@tnetroP I know and the general consensus is that Samsung SSD's, which I have on my T480s, are the best Lenovo offers. Hopefully that's the one I'll also get with the AMD version I ordered.
This month I got the T14 Intel version from office and at this point it is a very competent workstation. About the Webcam the colour is for the lack of a better description washed. I use a headset so the sound quality during conferences is much clearer.
Thanks for the reviews :) Would be great to implement PWM in your review, because low PWM is hurtfull for people eyes (It is easy to measure with an LED to a headphone jack with an amplitude program to see the frequency) :)
This is very handy as I'm now seriously looking at the AMD which is price reduced in the UK now, presumably because the 5000 series will be coming some time this year
I really like the review, but the battery test should have been an PC productivity benchmark, since this will more reflect workflows I think. These are also more dependent on calculations, giving the best CPU a clear edge, since it will finish its tasks a lot faster.
9/10 for audio? If Macbook Pro with some of the best laptop audio is a 10/10, the latest Dell XPS say 9/10, are these really comparable to those? You do good professional presentations in your vids but are VERY generous to manufacturers that loan you machines in your scoring.
I can't for the life of me figure out if the amd units will drive dual 2k monitors (2560x1440) using any of their docks. That's my current setup with X1C Gen 6 and TB3 dock.
Andrew, did you try to export a video using both machines? I see there also a big difference where AMD is very slow. Not sure why but I would like to see that comparison. thanks.
Hey Andrew, Can you shed any light on why Lenovo use the acronym WVA on their displays? Does it stand for Wide Viewing Angle? Does it use IPS technology?
Yep, that's exactly what it stands for. I think it's just a different marketing label for IPS ( maybe for some cheaper manufacturing technology process of it). TN panels are basically gone, especially in this laptop category...
Soldered on ram for the T series is just shitty. I expect that on ultra portables like the X series as a compromise for thinness but making the standard issue laptop less upgradable is just stupid
Tina Stormcaller I ordered the T14 yesterday for this reason. Good Labor Day dale in the US... I got 16gb in the soldered slot and am buying a 16gb Crucial stick off Amazon for $65... Same with the SSD. I ordered the smallest 128gb one and will order a 512gb off Amazon for about $75...
surprisingly the prices of thinkpads in singapore are quite competitively priced and probably priced even lover than consumer grade laptops with similar or lower specs/performance
They have about the same battery life and you can compare the previous review scores for info. As for the display, the Envy is having a better quality display, however it is glossy.
@@evalangley3985 Thanks a lot. I think AMD's previous review had Envy x360 Ryzen 5 (not 7). So, I was hoping for a more straightforward comparison. Anyhow, thanks a lot 🙏
Thank you so much for your interesting review. Could you please tell us which is better in terms of thermal issues the one with Intel or the other with AMD?
Hey Andrew. Thanks for the awesome smack down. These are really impressive units. Verily verily, AMD offers much more bang for the buck, and finally! An AMD unit with LTE...
Would love to see the T14 (not S) as well! I think these are so underrated. The value on the AMD version is amazing. Game, work, travel, drop, whatever.
I underclock my Intel i7 on my T480s in order to get more battery hrs for coding, down to 1GHz no feel if any slowness and yet a lot cooler and longer battery...
in daily use you may be not noticing anything, but try to do something CPU intesive. Render a 4k video on it then you will see how much less power it has. ;)
In my country, both T14 and T14s don't have 400 nit 72% NTSC screen option. So I 've chosen an X13 instead. It 's the only one that has ryzen 7 and 72% NTSC screen. Very powerful compact laptop.
Do you think the 50 Wh battery on the non-s model aka the T14 will have a big impact on its battery life? I'd prefer getting that one because of upgradability and affordability but I'm unsure because of battery life.
But is the intel version not worth my money then? if the AMD version gets a 94% what does the intel version get... the intel version also has the option of nvidia graphics dedicated graphics btw
1 question. Specification T14s on AMD has information about compatibility with WWAN Fibocom L850-GL with LTE cat.9 but intel's variant specification has information about compatibility with WWAN Fibocom L850 (LTE cat.9) and also 860-GL (LTE cat.16). Do you know is it a chance to activate Fibocom 860 on T14s AMD ? Bios versions or hardware in mainboard ?
My only thing is that you compare CPUs that are not in the same tier. You can't really compare an i5 with a R7. Battery life is going to be different, performances are going to be different, powers are going to be different, even if the prices are the same. The only thing that we know for sure is that you get way more performances for the same price with AMD which is already a big win.
Nice to see the AMD's putting the heat on Intel. This will be good for prices and making them do some R&D to improve performance. Great Vid Andrew. I never miss a vid now.
i think Intel just need to work with TSMC, because TSMC is the best at manufacturing the most efficient chips, intel has a verz heavz work to design and make their own chips ihouse, unlike AMD
Hey Andrew, great Video, exactly what i was looking for, especially with the touch display versions. I am super eager to learn, if a digitizer like the Wacom Bamboo Ink Plus or similar would work on these. I talked with the Lenovo sales staff and they say, that it is a Multitouch panel, but refused to comment on compatibility with digitizers. I would appreciate a comment greately!
I have the T14s with the R7 4750u and I am not getting a geekbench 5 multie core score near 6467, mine have been more in the 5600 range. That is plugged in and set to maximum performance in the battery bar. My r5 3600 gets around 6600 by comparison. I really like the laptop but it is strange his benchmarks are so much higher for multi-core.
3. 13 do not know if it is the angle but the identification (icons) of the ports in intel is lighter already in the darker AMD, erased impression of being poorly made. Mistake or inany?
Andrew Marc David Hi! What I’m keen to find out is that for the 1 x DDR ram that’s soldered onto the motherboard, how does it manage to do a Dual channel? 1:37s of your vid spec both T14s variants as dual channel memory capable.
wow... 7:45 the microphones test - Intel version was literally killing my ears, such a weird sharp sound that is literally overpowering enough to force me asleep. The AMD one sounded much better - totally don't understand it, they should be the same.
The biggest concern I would have with the AMD is that at full throttle the laptop is twice as hot. If you’re using this on your lap at home, this would be a no go for me. To much heat, shorter life.
**CORRECTION** These laptops were provided by Lenovo not HP, lol. Disregard that disclaimer
Thanks for the awesome comparison. Whatever happened with the RedmiBook 16 review, is that still coming up?
Now the question is: Are you being paid by Lenovo or are you being sponsored by Lenovo? :)
@@bicunisa neither
Yes, lol. I reacted to that immediately.
...YKR
really loving these recent videos comparing similar chassis and different CPU laptops (Intel vs AMD)
Interesting that the web cam on the AMD version sounded sooo much better.
But the image quality on the Intel version was a bit better.
webcams don't sound like anything lol
@@salman-11924 Well I think you know what I mean.
TL;DR, get the AMD version if you don't need thunderbolt3.
The reason AMD version has a dimmer display on battery is because of a setting within "AMD Radeon Settings" software. You have to go to the 'display' tab and disable "Vari-Bright".
You're a lifesaver!
Possibly the most professional, detail-oriented review on UA-cam. Thank you! I've just subscribed.
Hey Andrew, this is off topic, but I just wanna thank you for making these tech videos because you helped me pick out a laptop for college :D
I ended up going with the HP Envy x360 13 inch and at first I thought it was rather small, but it actually works perfectly fine with my small hands lol. It was a much needed upgrade from my old laptop which was already 7 years old. Thank you again :)
Glad to help!
I concur, these reviews helped me pick a laptop for college. I narrowed it down to last generation's ThinkPads for budget reasons (hence why I'm here 2 years late lol) but I opted for the Intel P14S for the dedicated graphics. Thanks for the review.
Hp must be scratching their head😂
Admit it my mistakes are entertaining 🤣
And Lenovo is happy because people won't know they paid him. ;)
I'm just kidding.
this is what happens when you lack sleep
I've tested both of these myself. The Intel variant constantly hit 99C and thermal throttled whilst the AMD machine maxed at 75C. This was the same for multiple machines. So I have no idea what's going on here, as they're the polar opposite to my results. Also the AMD 8 core 4750u ran cooler than the i5 (nevermind i7)
Yes. Any way of fixing that high temperature on the intel-version?
Thats basically because of the intel chips that run like heaters. Intel chips still use old fabrication techniques and they basically run hot as fire. Nothing u can do about the heat itself but using a third party software to ramp up the fans slightly more should help. Amd is a better option anytime for any laptop.
@@PlayJewel what thinkpad did you get..Im thinking to get T14 Gen 3..not sure Intel vs Amd, this would be my first laptop for work..the intel spec can upgrade RAM ddr4..for Amd,RAM not upgradable..max 32gb soldered..Intel chip as you say will cause heat more but with Amd version, I cant upgrade RAM..can I get an opinion on this..thank you
@@pendayungunggul271 do not even by mistake get 12th gen intel chips. The H and P series chip overheat like crazy, then thermal throttle within 5 minutes. Rendering the chip slower than 11th gen in sustained workloads. This is consistent with any laptop using these chips. The U series chips are already too underpowered and slow. Thinkpads have P series chips mostly. With amd u loose 5% performance in single core scores of benchmarks but they use much less power means less heat and much more battery life. And amd chips will be able to sustain the full performance without overheating or throttling means u can use full power of the chips constantly. Meaning in real world useage amd is much much faster. Ryzen 6000 series also use the rdna2 architecture graphics that are very powerful, the performance can he compared to a mobile rtx 1660 max-q variant. They are the best integrated graphics of any laptop to date. (Ryzen 7 comes with radeon 680m and ryzen 5 with 660m) The amd models also cost 100 dollars or so less. I brought the t14s gen 3 amd. The s model because it’s available with the oled display. I maxed the ram with 32gb. Soldered ram is good if ur ok with 32gb, soldering ram means they can use low power kind means even more battery life and less heat. Soldered ram is also faster (t14s gen 3 has 6400mhz ddr5 ram, upto 102gbps bandwidth, while intel one has much slower type) they are highly unlikely to fail at any point during the life of laptop, especially for a thinkpad which uses very reliable and sturdy components. So unless u go for more than 32gb its pretty meaningless to have a removable ram.
If u dont care for the 2.8k 90hz oled display, i recommended going with 400nits low power display.
With gen 3 t14s amd and intel u get 1 heat pipe (it is plenty for ryzen 6000)
With gen 3 t14 u get more vents on the bottom and with amd u get 2 heat pipes while intel one has just 1 heat pipe so that it can throttle fast and doesn’t overheat.
T14s gen 3 amd with 400nits low power display = upto 16 hours of real world battery life,
with oled its about 9hrs and if u lower the resolution to fhd and refresh rate to 60hz then expect 3hr or so more.
Normal t14 would have slightly less battery due to smaller battery.
I have ordered mine although the expected date of delivery is 13 September due to mine being a customized variant.
@@Kolzahn that's a feature of Intel not a bug.
Finger heater in the winter for Europe. =))))
I bought a T14 (non-s) with Ryzen 7 and 32GB RAM about a month ago and it fully replaced my desktop PC. It can handle older and less graphics intensive games very well and the cpu is insanely fast. ATM I'm using it with a Dell 32" 1440p Monitor over HDMI, but I also ordered some Dell 24" 1080p monitors with daisy chain support which I will use over USB-C to DP, planning on a setup with 32" 1440p + 3x 24" 1080p.
When using with monitors do you notice loud fan noise from the computer?
@@mustnoor not really. In performance mode the fan is always noticeable, but even under full load it's quiet compared to most other notebooks I've seen. No difference between having two monitors (1440p144 + 1080p60) connected and not using monitors.
The T480 i5 is way louder.
@@mrln.bllmnn which docking station are you using?
@@zielun7293 At the time I was using the lenovo USB-C to DP adapter with daisy chain for my two 1080p screens and HDMI 2 for my 1440p144 screen.
AMD has HDMI 2.0 vs. 1.4 on the Intel.
To my knowledge you can have HDMI 2.0 on the Intel version via the USB-C or Thunderbolt port (with an adapter).
and the both usb-c are gen2 speed on amd rather than the gen1 speed on the non-thunderbolt typec port on intel
Now this is the one for my development work. I'm using a L390 and I like it a lot... This AMD one seems like a great upgrade.
Thanks for your awesome reviews Andrew, you keep bringing on the heat.
Saludos
I actually bought a Thinkpad T14 AMD (no s) and it's a great laptop. Got it with 400 nits display and windows hello.
Whats the difference between t14 and t14s, they both look the same to me?
Hey, can you tell me if the screen on the T14 is actually 14 inches? I've ordered one but when compared to Flex 5 14inches, the screen on T14 looks smaller.
love lenovo's optional 5-year international warranty, one of the few manufacturers that offer that unconditional international warranty
A thing to note about the AMD model having a socketed Wi-Fi card. Lenovo whitelist Wi-Fi cards in the laptops BIOS so only certain models of cards will work so you couldn't just upgrade to a Wi-Fi6e adapter when they are released. It's a real pain. Apparently this is done for FCC compliance as only certain cards are tested with the antennae design.
I think that may be my next laptop purchase. Currently own the Dell XPS13 (2018 version with nose camera at bottom of screen). Great review. That AMD processor seems to perform really well.
Me: both are the same laptop right?
Andrew: well yes, but actually no.
Andrew: both made by HP.
Me: nope by asus!..... wait a minute.
Not for designers like myself but powerhouse machines for those needing them for business!
and programmers/cybersecurity researchers.
Hi Andrew, really enjoyed your review. I’d love one for the T14 versions, AMD vs Intel, and vs other laptops for things like light gaming as well as other uses. Graphical performance of the AMD Ryzen 7 pro integrated graphics vs others, even low end Nvidia discrete cards. I hear that Ryzen 7 pro option is really really good.
Nice video. Looks like AMD is starting to compete with Intel in the laptop segment of the market ; where Intel has been the Only option for a long time - hopefully this will let the cost of the laptops to get better and have a larger selection.
Compete? Intel was crushed. Ryzen 5 4500u is like the same if not better than intel i7 G7 (not to mention iGPU where Intel was smashed). And when you will look on Ryzen 5 4600u 6core's 12 threads i7 can hide. And then you still have Ryzen 7 4700u 8c/8t and 4800u 8c/16c this is a monster. I have read some threads made by people that have bought a laptop with Ryzen 7 4800u + 16gb ram and 512ssd. Those things are reaching in Cinebench R20 score like my Ryzen 5 2600 overclocked to 4.1. And when you will unlock Ryzen 7 to 35w you get like 10-20% boost (iGPU + CPU) ofc there is thermal problems but you will put cooling pad under it and you get like 6-10*C lower. Look on the YT where ppl were unlocking Ryzen 5 2500u with 35w it was on the pair with Intel i7 8th generation, and almost same as Ryzen 5 2500H. Intel is over. Look back since Intel 3-4 gen processors till 7 gen was no performance jump not to mention those funny laptop CPU's. I have had a Thinkpad T430 from 2013 with i7 3740QM 4c/8t which was on the pair with t460 with i7 HQ (this one was like 5-7% faster). First generation since 3-4 gen that gave ppl some performance jump was intel 8gen with i5 and i7 from U series with 4c/8t. Gen 4-5-6-7 all i7 U series was 2c/4t which is a joke. I am looking to buy a laptop for me now as my second driver as I have PC as main, and I know it will be with Ryzen 4000. I love thinkpads I have t450s right now (which is funny because i have i5 5300u and this one is like 30-40% slower than my T430, but it is lighter, it's making less noise and battery life is a lot better). I will not mention PC's CPU situation where Intel was making like 3-5% power jump and wanted from ppl to pay for it x2 times more.
I had the Yoga S740 with an i5-1035G4 and I now have the succesor, the Yoga Slim 7 with a 4500u. The battery life was also noticably better in my case.
The Ryzen model runs the i5 into the ground. It's way more efficient and way faster, particularly in graphics. It was also cheaper lol
Oh and let me clarify: The battery life was noticably better on the Ryzen model. I'm not even sure if I have ever seen a 35 hour battery estimate while idling on any other Laptop. I sadly can't compare them directly but I'm pretty sure I've never seen such good numbers from the Intel machine.
You're very lucky because the Slim 7 with Ryzen processor is now extremely impossible to find.
@@age_of_reason They are hard to find and sometimes they are unavailable on eBay. There is currently a listing for another 4500u model but it's as expensive as the Intel models. I got mine for 100€ less than that. Good timing.
This laptop brought me here!
Great review - very thorough!
Hey Andrew! Amazing review! Thank you. Love your content
Thanks very much for the detailed review! The Intel version seemed to have a more muffled microphone when you were testing the webcam. The speakers on both units sounded better (more depth) than that on the HP Elitebook 840 G7 reviewed in your other video.
Great video as always. A note: There is a setting on the AMD model that fixes the display dimming on battery, i think it is called vari-bright and you can turn it off.
Thanks for the info!
For 14 in laptops both are excellent business machines. Very good keyboards and displays. The internal camera on the intel one was a little better than the AMD one but both will easily get the job done. Would it be nice if they could fit the camera on the phone you reviewed the other day in these machines? The internal microphones on the Intel machine sounded very flat and slightly muffled. The AMD one sounded a little better but both could be better. Like the very easy access to the internals of these machine. No screws under rubber strips like most of the HP's. The speakers on both machines sounded fair. For business users who need mobility these are an excellent choice. Again as always another great review of both machines.
Thanks William!
Excellent comparison...A pity it wasn't an i7 for an even more direct comparison, but understandably it's not a simple ask and this is already amazingly helpful!
Thanks, out of my control as to what they send for review
@@andrewmarcdavid Ah, I didn't get that :) Thanks again for great work - based largely on your coverage of Ryzen 4xxx, I just got a Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 with 4700U, and it's replacing the i7-8750H from Razer Blade 2018 easily, with no noise, no heat, 3x battery life, 30% lower weight, and it cost 999 euro vs 2500 for the Blade (admittedly, blade is with GTX1070 that I'm not using, and a great 144Hz screen) :)
it is for the price category and even then, i5 is more expensive than the amd r7 version let alone the i7.
Do you still have these laptops with you? These fans have identical mountpoints, so they're interchangeable. Could you actually run a test to see whether one mounted on AMD is nerfed? Because the size of the ariflow wents suggests so...
Very informative! This video helped me decide which processor variant to buy. I bought a maxed out thinkpad X13 AMD on black friday for less than the price of the T14
I'd just like to point out that i myself am not being paid by HP or sponsored by HP too.
That's good to know 🤣
Yeah, me too. But I would really like to be paid by HP, sigh.
If we are gonna list TB3 support as a con when its missing, I think we should list soldered wifi as a con. The AX200 isn't the most reliable wifi chip (Ive got 3 dead ones in my drawer). At least if its swappable you can spend 30$ to fix and not be down too long. If its soldered you gotta send the unit in and might not even get the same model back.
Also if the AMD model is running at 18w sustained load, and the Intel is running at 7W, its no wonder the Intel gets better battery.
Yeah obviously. But I still think the cooling system could be better. Atleast good enough to endure 15W under combined load. 7W in that Intel version is quite disappointing.
@@RishabhSharma-lq1id I don't know if it was a cooling issue so much as Intel wanting to claim better battery at the expense of sustained load. They are less efficient than their competitors, so tweaking like this makes sense. Of course, you can disable boost on the AMD chips and get better battery than the Intel variants, at least that's the case on the 35/45W models. I would assume the same on the 15/28W.
Great review. Also quite surprised for the difference of battery life. Always working remotely and outdoor, seems like intel model still got the advantage
I think it's around 50% more performance for 16% less battery life, so a decent balance.
That's also what I think. I like how AMD brought competition again and from raw performance per price point of view AMD is definitely better. But for folks that value battery life and don't need so much power, Intel seems to be still doing better even with 14nm process.
Brilliant review and it validated my picking the AMD version; I was deciding between those two just last week. I currently have a thunderbolt port on my ThinkPad T480s which I never used (the Nvidia MX150 Max-Q dGPU it comes with handles all my graphics needs with ease). When it came time to replace the T480s, I was disappointed that the dGPU was no longer offered in the T14s line (which supplants the T4xxs line) but then I researched the AMD version and found that the Radeon Vega 7 iGPU on it gives a performance that's close enough to that of the dGPU on my T480s to fit my needs. Other advantages of the AMD version is faster DDR4 memory (3200MHz vs 2667MHz) but, based on this review, the SSD seems noticeably slower which is bit of a bummer. All in all, the AMD is indeed the pick of the two T14s versions unless you absolutely need an external GPU (or the 4k screen, which is not offered on the AMD version).
Lenovo often use multiple suppliers for screens, keyboards and SSD's. The SSD speed *might* be a bit of a lottery and *might* not be dependent on the CPU. Regardless, it is actually cheaper to just spec the lowers size SSD, buy your own and install it.
@@tnetroP I know and the general consensus is that Samsung SSD's, which I have on my T480s, are the best Lenovo offers. Hopefully that's the one I'll also get with the AMD version I ordered.
This month I got the T14 Intel version from office and at this point it is a very competent workstation. About the Webcam the colour is for the lack of a better description washed. I use a headset so the sound quality during conferences is much clearer.
Thanks for the reviews :) Would be great to implement PWM in your review, because low PWM is hurtfull for people eyes (It is easy to measure with an LED to a headphone jack with an amplitude program to see the frequency) :)
I did in my last review
@@andrewmarcdavid Great, it is something most reviewers don't talk about (and companies too) :)
This is very handy as I'm now seriously looking at the AMD which is price reduced in the UK now, presumably because the 5000 series will be coming some time this year
I really like the review, but the battery test should have been an PC productivity benchmark, since this will more reflect workflows I think. These are also more dependent on calculations, giving the best CPU a clear edge, since it will finish its tasks a lot faster.
Should have? You do it next time
9/10 for audio? If Macbook Pro with some of the best laptop audio is a 10/10, the latest Dell XPS say 9/10, are these really comparable to those? You do good professional presentations in your vids but are VERY generous to manufacturers that loan you machines in your scoring.
I can't for the life of me figure out if the amd units will drive dual 2k monitors (2560x1440) using any of their docks. That's my current setup with X1C Gen 6 and TB3 dock.
AMD version microphone is better.
AMD version speaker sounds better. However it could be because of the editor's microphone position.
Nah...AMD has a seperate microphone driver...it's better that way
This is perfect for me. For my accounting business, I can get a lot done
for accounting , u use laptop with side number pad 15.6 the inch laptop OR without number pad 14 inch laptop ??
Andrew, did you try to export a video using both machines? I see there also a big difference where AMD is very slow. Not sure why but I would like to see that comparison. thanks.
That would probably be because of Quicksync, which is an Intel CPU feature that accelerates video encoding
Hey Andrew, Can you shed any light on why Lenovo use the acronym WVA on their displays? Does it stand for Wide Viewing Angle? Does it use IPS technology?
Yep, that's exactly what it stands for. I think it's just a different marketing label for IPS ( maybe for some cheaper manufacturing technology process of it). TN panels are basically gone, especially in this laptop category...
Soldered on ram for the T series is just shitty. I expect that on ultra portables like the X series as a compromise for thinness but making the standard issue laptop less upgradable is just stupid
T14s is a thin one, T14 is a standard issue laptop. It's only soldered on the Ts series, normal T series has additionally one SO-DIMM slot.
Adam Turowski ah I follow, looked it up and I can see the slot on the HMM, and while 1 slot is an annoyance at least you have options
Tina Stormcaller I ordered the T14 yesterday for this reason. Good Labor Day dale in the US... I got 16gb in the soldered slot and am buying a 16gb Crucial stick off Amazon for $65... Same with the SSD. I ordered the smallest 128gb one and will order a 512gb off Amazon for about $75...
surprisingly the prices of thinkpads in singapore are quite competitively priced and probably priced even lover than consumer grade laptops with similar or lower specs/performance
Why would HP pay for reviewing Lenovo devices? 😳
Edit : I saw the comment. 😅
A comparison between Lenovo T14s and HP Envy x360 (both Ryzen 7) would be tremendously helpful. Keep up the great reviews 👍
They have about the same battery life and you can compare the previous review scores for info. As for the display, the Envy is having a better quality display, however it is glossy.
@@evalangley3985 Thanks a lot. I think AMD's previous review had Envy x360 Ryzen 5 (not 7). So, I was hoping for a more straightforward comparison. Anyhow, thanks a lot 🙏
Great review, man! Subbed. :)
Thank you so much for your interesting review. Could you please tell us which is better in terms of thermal issues the one with Intel or the other with AMD?
Nice, waiting on the envy review andrew
Almost done
Hey Andrew. Thanks for the awesome smack down. These are really impressive units. Verily verily, AMD offers much more bang for the buck, and finally! An AMD unit with LTE...
Thanks Paul 👍
Would love to see the T14 (not S) as well! I think these are so underrated. The value on the AMD version is amazing. Game, work, travel, drop, whatever.
I underclock my Intel i7 on my T480s in order to get more battery hrs for coding, down to 1GHz no feel if any slowness and yet a lot cooler and longer battery...
in daily use you may be not noticing anything, but try to do something CPU intesive. Render a 4k video on it then you will see how much less power it has. ;)
@@TheInchii agreed, for that though I have a dual Xeon workstation if i needed ;)
In my country, both T14 and T14s don't have 400 nit 72% NTSC screen option. So I 've chosen an X13 instead. It 's the only one that has ryzen 7 and 72% NTSC screen. Very powerful compact laptop.
What is the deference between the 14s and the 14?
Very professional comparison.
My previous comment was deleted: just google on "T-14s battery
problem" before you consider to get this laptop. Lenovo just seems to
ignore the issue.
Who deleted your comment? I didn't.
@@andrewmarcdavid I'm sorry, I highly likely had not posted it on this review.
Thank you for this review! Do you have similar one for Gen 4 of T14s?
Do you think the 50 Wh battery on the non-s model aka the T14 will have a big impact on its battery life? I'd prefer getting that one because of upgradability and affordability but I'm unsure because of battery life.
No one "needs" Thunderbolt 3.
I thought I needed one but I never used it.
nobody "needs" anything
but there sure are use cases where having Thunderbolt is preferred, especially when it comes to docking and adding accessories
kind of interesting the power adapter we have in singapore uses the 3 prong iec c5 instead of the C8 as seen here in your video.
God, i am so confuse with lenovo all different model flex , P, T，Z。 Which one should I get for 3d Revit architecture model？thanks
The P series,
YEAH for the Matte and Touch Display!!! How is Lenovo able to do this and few others can...just don't get it. But hey good for Lenovo.
Agreed 👍
Is the display plastic or glass?
OK I'll wait for next gen (T24 & T24s, maybe) and buy T14 in good price.
Can you use them on power bank and charge it, like Anker PowerCore 20100 - 20000mAh for example?
Hi andrew! Envy x360 13.3 ryzen-5 4500U or pavilion x360 14 i3 10th gen I'm confused with them which one should i buy
But is the intel version not worth my money then? if the AMD version gets a 94% what does the intel version get... the intel version also has the option of nvidia graphics dedicated graphics btw
1 question. Specification T14s on AMD has information about compatibility with WWAN Fibocom L850-GL with LTE cat.9 but intel's variant specification has information about compatibility with WWAN Fibocom L850 (LTE cat.9) and also 860-GL (LTE cat.16). Do you know is it a chance to activate Fibocom 860 on T14s AMD ? Bios versions or hardware in mainboard ?
I'll answer myself. T14s on AMD is compatibility only with L-850GL. I had both models, 850 works fine, 860 not.
AMD gets dim on battery power.... you can change this is the Radeon settings app.
Hi Andrew, can you test Fujitsu U9310X? Regards
What we need are 16:10 screens
3:2 is too much to ask for i guess, but would be great
Is the same SSD model integrated in both version? Is the difference in speed because of different SSD capability?
You can deactivate the Diming in the radeon driver if you have it installd.
greetz
Hey AMD,
Ryzen 7 4800u vs Ryzen 7 4750u please
My only thing is that you compare CPUs that are not in the same tier. You can't really compare an i5 with a R7. Battery life is going to be different, performances are going to be different, powers are going to be different, even if the prices are the same. The only thing that we know for sure is that you get way more performances for the same price with AMD which is already a big win.
He compared these two in term of (relatively simillar) price.
It's come down to this or the T480. I like that I can upgrade the T480 in more ways than this model. I have not made a final decision yet.
Which smartwatch do you recommend for Google Pixel 4a?
Nice to see the AMD's putting the heat on Intel. This will be good for prices and making them do some R&D to improve performance. Great Vid Andrew. I never miss a vid now.
i think Intel just need to work with TSMC, because TSMC is the best at manufacturing the most efficient chips, intel has a verz heavz work to design and make their own chips ihouse, unlike AMD
To be more on par should be ryzen 7 vs i7 ryzen 5 vs i5
Agree
How can Lenovo justify charging $719 for a 1tb nvme drive when they can be purchased for
That's why it's better to upgrade the SSD yourself.
@@andrewmarcdavid Indeed, and RAM too if not soldered on the mainboard...
Looks Like my t450s which i got for 180 Last month
Hey Andrew, great Video, exactly what i was looking for, especially with the touch display versions. I am super eager to learn, if a digitizer like the Wacom Bamboo Ink Plus or similar would work on these.
I talked with the Lenovo sales staff and they say, that it is a Multitouch panel, but refused to comment on compatibility with digitizers. I would appreciate a comment greately!
No pen support
What about the T14 ?
why are intel still charging more?
What is the difference between T14 and T14S?
Great on how you like it but what about the performance?
I have the T14s with the R7 4750u and I am not getting a geekbench 5 multie core score near 6467, mine have been more in the 5600 range. That is plugged in and set to maximum performance in the battery bar. My r5 3600 gets around 6600 by comparison. I really like the laptop but it is strange his benchmarks are so much higher for multi-core.
Would be nice if they put good displays in these - photo editing is a profession after all.
you wouldn't get this laptop if you're into video editing considering it has integrated gpu... audio production on the other hand...
3. 13 do not know if it is the angle but the identification (icons) of the ports in intel is lighter already in the darker AMD, erased impression of being poorly made. Mistake or inany?
How do some others in the comment section like the keyboard? Is it anywhere near as amazing as the T410, T420, T480 or the T480?
Hi, T14s AMD vs T14s Intel vs X1 Carbon Gen8. Which one is better?
Anyone knows how T14s manage to run Dual channel DDR4 3200mhz rams with only one single slot?
If you watched the video you would know the RAM is soldered into the motherboard
Andrew Marc David Hi! What I’m keen to find out is that for the 1 x DDR ram that’s soldered onto the motherboard, how does it manage to do a Dual channel? 1:37s of your vid spec both T14s variants as dual channel memory capable.
What is the difference between the T14 and T14s? Thanks
T14s is more premium. Lighter, slimmer and also more expensive. But a T14 has better cooling, longer heat pipe (and maybe 2 pipes)
The idea behind the s models is to fill the gap between the T and X1C.
wow... 7:45 the microphones test - Intel version was literally killing my ears, such a weird sharp sound that is literally overpowering enough to force me asleep. The AMD one sounded much better - totally don't understand it, they should be the same.
Amd gets dim because of the feature called "Varibright " that can be disabled in radeon control center.
i checked lenovo websites the ram options are confusing in customization page.
The biggest concern I would have with the AMD is that at full throttle the laptop is twice as hot. If you’re using this on your lap at home, this would be a no go for me. To much heat, shorter life.
You should compare I7 and Ryzen 7, not I5 and Ryzen 7
I cannot control which models Lenovo sends for review
Does it support Lenovo's active pen?