Watch Big Long Fire Truck with Rear-Wheel Steering Back Up - FDNY Ladder 20
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Fire Department of New York City (FDNY) Ladder Company 20 backing up into an intersection. It's interesting to see the articulating ladder (called a tiller) using its rear wheels to steer. You can see the driver in the back steering the wheels. Great ladder truck.
New York, New York, USA
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I’m a truck driver who knows what it is like to drive a large vehicle in heavy traffic in tight areas, but these guys in FDNY are awesome at what they have to deal with and maneuver around. Great job guys and stay safe
Same
My Father was a Firefighter back home in Buffalo and they had one of these at the station he was until he transferred to another station. It was my inspiration for becoming a Truck Driver.
I worked at FWD/ Seagrave for 49 years, and it's always enjoyable to see the trucks in action, knowing that I had a part in building these beautiful machines.
I’m two blocks away from the four wheel drive seagrave plant! I can hear them testing the horn and siren from the house at 7th/Maize. It’s cool to see them driving the rigs out on 156 too.
I don't know why but I've loved these since I was 5yrs old, I remember watching one drive by and the rear driver waved at me as I was waving at him, they still are a favorite of mine..
It's simple: They're big, red & noisy. Love 'em!
Tillers are my favorite. Could watch them all day. Thank you.
Yes!
There also my son's fav
This is so cool, but I can't help but think of the episode of Seinfeld where Kramer was driving the back of the Tiller. 😂 Classic.
The ones built today are a lot easier to drive than the one he was on. On that one the wheel is flat rather than angled like they are today, he had no power steering, and he was exposed to the elements.
I could NEVER LIVE in NY too much traffic
spoda81 ✨walk✨
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too much traffic, too much noise, too many people. I've been to London, Paris, and lived in Seoul S. Korea and I couldn't live in NYC>
It's ways around everything.
Tiller trucks are awesome
❤❤😂😂god bless you guys thanks you guys rock way to go it takes real skills and efforts you make it look so efftorsly being able to back the tiller truck back in very impressed please don't work to hard appreciate you guys thanks you guys rock way to buy them a soda or something they deserve alot of credit your service is deeply appreciated thanks even by fdny responding great job great team work and good catches as usual !!! Joe ❤❤😂😅
I ♥️ TILLER TRUCKS!
It take real skills and efforts to be able to drive like that they deserve alot of credit lets stop and honor and appreciate the paramedics and firemen who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated even by fdny responding keep them safe out there great job great team work and good catches as usual still going strong way to go ❤😂😂😂😅 !! Joe
It must take hecka patience and concentration to drive a tiller in NYC..
Seeing that vision lightbar spin out in the beginning is great :D
Used to drive one
It is actually called a "Tractor Drawn-Tiller Driven Ladder Truck". From the 1920-1970's it was common that the Tillerman was a non auto driver because the tiller steers opposite of the Tractor Engineer aka Chauffeur. It is NOT rare in the US as many cities with narrow streets or tight turning radius utilizes the TD-TD Rigs. FDNY, Boston Fire, Baltimore Fire, LAcoFD and Memphis Fire are just a few. I'm retired after 25yrs in the Fire Service. I was a Lt. with the City of Annapolis FD at Co. 36 and we had a TD-TD 100' Seagrave.
No tillers in Boston. Last batch of tillers for BFD were 1976 Seagraves and they've long since gone. Other depts in the area still have some though...Somerville, Waltham, Melrose, others.
The one I was assigned to was 63 and a half feet long. The truck it replaced was a 42 foot standard ladder truck (one driver). The 63.5 footer could go places that the smaller truck would have to turn, back up, turn, back up, and then the final turn. The bigger truck was a one shot deal. It didn't help the older one also had a ladder tip sticking 3 feet off the front bumper.
They are common in California due to extreme traffic congestion & lower weight limits on roadways due to the loose sandy subsoils. Lees common back east since newer trucks have a tighter turn radius &/or all-wheel steering (OshKosh/Pierce). FDNY has very few anymore. Boston has long ago stopped buying TDAs & mainly uses single rear axle designs. Phila, Balto & DC, Atlanta, LA still use them. Dallas, Seattle, & Portland each have a few. Tractor-trailer technical rescues, USARs, & hazmats are becoming more common.
@@dbyers3897 I've been retired since 2011...so my comments apply (usually) from 1981-2011. My familiarity with some bigger cities goes back to 82-86 while working full time and earning my Fire Science & Engineering degree at WV State University.
Love that lady in the crosswalk........"Why isn't that big ass firetruck stopping for *me* and letting *me* finish crossing the street!".
That's like one I filmed awhile back here in Arizona. Interesting !!
I love tillers
It's literally like every knucklehead on the planet all moved to that city!
A monster.
Impressionnantes ces échelles !!
Big Long Fire Truck with Rear-Wheel Steering Back Up. It's a tiller ladder truck
01:31. To the lady that can’t even pay attention and respect her surroundings. Maybe she had to 💩 real bad and wasn’t waiting for nothing hahahha
Says someone who has never been to NYC. Don't be so judgmental. When you live in the City, you quickly learn you need to tune out the din & push forward or people will think you're a tourist or an idiot, same thing as far as we're concerned. Harsh? Yes, but true. New York is not for the faint-of-heart.
Thanks for sharing! I guess there’s no A/C in that back cab - doors wide open. You got an interesting city. I was looking at the businesses on the corner while the lights were red.
No A/C. Doors wide open for a breeze! Thanks for watching.
Some tillers have AC but it's not as good as what is in the cab and they're electric so they pull off the generator parked on the scene so it doesn't do any good to run them on the scene.
That lady on the crossing, totally oblivious, couldn’t she wait a couple of seconds
Pedestrians in NYC don't stop for anything. If you don't learn how to weave your way through everything that's going on, you'll never get anywhere in Manhattan
She has a right to cross that street gosh darn it. She's a Karen.
Very good coordination.
Not bad!
Nice Great job 👍🏼
Slick
nice great work
I have been fallowing my f,d, for fifty years I responded on most of the fires its a hobby
Idgaf if it held me up in traffic they're so cool 😎
Nice post.Don't see very many ladder trucks here in Sacramento.
Do you see many tall buildings? Sac is a giant suburb like many towns out west. Mostly MVCs & medical calls.
It’s called a tractor drawn aerial, or TDA.
I remember that hilarious scene where Roger Moore in that James Bond movie was steering at the back of a Tiller and it was sideways equal to the engine
u notice nobody moves bc their in such a rush, now if it is something of there's that they need fire companys help they'd pissed!!
In FDNY parlance- TDA Tractor Drawn Aerial ! ie: Tillered !
Better than PDA
Et au Québec ils appellent ça "échelle à timonier"
Nice!. But u can call this. Tiller Ladder
0:43 : Dodge Ram ProMaster aka Peugeot Boxer en france.
Big long ladder trucks also known as tillers
I thought the jack hammer was a Jake break at first
Jake Brakes are prohibited in NYC for obvious reasons. Unfortunately, jackhammers are not, also for obvious reasons.
It’s not just any long fire truck it’s called a tiller truck
Hold on, let me write that down in the description. Oh wait, I already did.
Twernt much but interesting enough.
This is called a tiller not big long truck with rear wheel steering
Read the description
Nice Great work
You know how much firemen get paid in New York City? Not enough.
Could make the trailer axle knuckles steer in the opposite direction of what you turn the steering wheel. So in a left turn (for example) you steer normally to make a left turn like the tractor driver but the trailer wheel are going to the right, thus swinging the rear around. Turn left to go left, turn right to go right. I guess you could get used to anything if you practice but would make it easier. Kind of the same principle of a fork truck that has rear steering. The rear axle wheels go opposite of what you turn the steering wheels. And millions of those are in use by everyday people.
That's what the rear driver does. He turns right on left turns and left on right turns. The thing is you can't turn the wheels back to straight at the same time. The front driver turns front wheels straight sooner. The rear driver has to wait until the trailer, not the tractor, is halfway through the turn before straightening the wheel.
Anytime you see blinking red lights, anywhere?!? That's means STOP! From a traffic light, RR crossing and.a firetruck backing up! STOP!
Tiller ❌ big long fire truck ✅
Approximately 60' of love & kisses. If you're stuck in an elevator or hanging out a smokey window.
Whenever you feel useless, remember that there is a "stay back 200 feet" sign on a FDNY fire truck. How is anyone supposed to stay 200 feet back in New York?
Do you know what a “big long fire truck with rear-steering” is called
tillers
The office
It’s called a tiller
AKA an articulating ladder LOL
Must suck to drive a Tiller in NYC.
@Tim Burm1 Yep. A lot of big cities have tillers now and then.
I am the fireman in the back in the video. Tillers are the easiest rig to drive. We make turns the engines can't.
@@George-bv3dx Nice. Yea I know. Is traffic hard to get through in NYC usually with Trucks? Kinda what I was referring to was traffic wise.
Yes, traffic was horendous. Now, city is a shadow of what it was.
Do you not know what the actual name for these are?
Did you read the description?
Which has the longest latter the tiller or lattet
Truck
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Nobody makes room. Is that how you treat your heroes? In Germany you would have the police standing by your car
How long is that fire truck?
Opposite steering on those tiller trucks. I wonder how much training is required to be a tiller man.
We always trained them for a month before just driving regular traffic. Usually in an empty parking lot. Then when they get good at that, we'll drive around town. After that, we then go emergency traffic. The key is the front driver communicating with the rear driver.
Basically it depends on either the worm gear in the steering box or the location of the tie rods on the steering knuckles. If the worm gear is cut clockwise and the tie rods in front of the steering knuckles, turning the steering right would have the wheels pointed right. If the worm gear is cut clockwise and the tie rods are behind the steering knuckles, turning the steering wheel right would have the wheels pointed left. If the worm gear is cut counterclockwise and the tie rods are in the front, turning the steering wheel right would have the wheels pointed left, etc..
I dont know why the UK don't adopt this method too.
Because UK fire services operate in a very different way. Their methods & procedure generally don't require massive trucks. We Yankees like anything & everything big. A cliche but true.
Ah yes. This is called a Tiller. It’s essentially a permanently connected tractor-trailer or as some people call a lorry that has rear steering operated by a “tiller-man” (that guy on the back of the truck). These are used in areas with tight streets where regular ladder trucks have issues making turns and fitting between cars while backing up. These trucks are actually quite rare especially in FDNY.
"Used in areas with tight streets..." Oooooor you could also just use a smaller regular truck with rear wheel steering instead of literally using an 18-wheeler. Never quite got the sense of such a truck..
SaveLive TV have you ever measured how long a ladder truck needs to be just to carry a ladder on top of it. And think of this, that ladder can extend to 105ft. And can only have so many sections to make it stable. That means the truck had to be a minimum of about 20ft in order to carry all of that. That’s about 5 Toyota Prius’s bumper to bumper. Imagine trying to get that around a tight corner. So since they can’t make it shorter they put a bend in it and put a steering wheel on the back to make the truck more maneuverable for situations like having to position a ladder a certain way or making backing into quarters easier then a tractor trailer. These things are actually a lot more maneuverable than most ladder trucks which is the reason FDNY got these.
Just saying but there are european firetrucks less than half the size of that which have a longer ladder. For example this ua-cam.com/video/jlbHyxQ-4jo/v-deo.html a standart german ladder truck, 105ft ladder including a basket and a bending part. Many of these trucks include an automatic rear-wheel steering, all of those which Tiller Ladders dont have. Also there are ultra-low truck based ladder trucks existing since the 1970s like this: ua-cam.com/video/DEqYAW1i560/v-deo.html also 105ft including basket, bend down parts and rear-wheel steering. I know the systems are different between europe and the US, but in navigating through narrow roads europe is definitely a few steps further.
U.S. and European ladder trucks are really two different animals that have a ladder or the bucket as the only thing in common. As I’ve observed, the European rig is essentially an elevating platform staffed by two used for aerial rescue or to direct streams into a structure. The U.S. rig is an elevating platform staffed with four to six (depending on city or district) that also performs aerial rescues and directs streams. But it is also a tool cache that includes extra ground ladders, some rescue equipment and the crews have additional responsibilities for interior search and rescue and backing up engine companies as needed. Each is designed for it’s intended purpose. One is not better than the other, each is good for it’s designed purpose.
Joseph DePaola just to say: most modern 105' Tower Ladders on this side of the pond are based on a 32' long truck (not the chassis itself, but including the overhanging bucket at the front). If a 32' long truck is too long to get around some corners, the departments might also purchase them with all-wheel steering, it doesn't really need a tractor trailer unit.
Yes American and European Aerials differ a lot ...the size of the truck chassis which is "necessary" for a 105' in the USA would be used for a 150' to 170' high Aerial in Europe
If the guy driving the back crashes into something who gets the traffic ticket?
The App Channel he does, he’s considered a driver.
The App Channel
Depends
The civilian!
If one train leaves Chicago at 0900 going eastbound at45 mph and one train leaves Newark at 1300 going westbound at 62mph......
The s-hole known as NY.
Kramer!
YES!! That's why I looked this up!
@@Neiliss1 Ha, same here!
its called a tiller truck
You got that right! Check out the description LOL. Thanks for watching brother!
So is the guy at the back cab driving the whole thing remotely when it’s reversing?
The rear driver steers the rear wheels. That's all.
Code3Paris There must be cameras or some good communication between the driver and “tail man” then?
Driving forward is one thing, but reversing across a junction is another.
Interesting to watch though, thanks👍
@@montyzumazoom1337 they wear headset radios.
@@montyzumazoom1337 This type of fire apparatus has been used since they were pulled by horses.
@@stephenhusak6098 Not in the FDNY, they don't.
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Still can NEVER understand the real reason why they put those STOP Signs on the insides of the trucks doors, going to take a guess and say when traffic HOPEFULLY sees those signs, that means that Fire Fighters are getting out of the truck, right?
0:02 😍
God forbid the cop stay and help before taking off.
I seen a video of this massive rig wizz through an intersection when the driver steered slightly to avoid the curb the whole thing stepped to the side..I’m like Wha...play that bit again ?!!
At slow speeds it steers counter and at high speeds it......it’s like the BMW
ua-cam.com/video/SKf7P9-OGZE/v-deo.html
Those things can parallel park like a dream!!!
Everytime I watch these videos i want to play Grand Theft Auto just to steal fire trucks...even though I own several real life fire trucks that I drive daily
Sorry it's not called big long fire truck it's a hook and ladder truck just saying and it has to have a rear wheel driver.
Check the description. It actually has another name.
That maybe so but I know it as hook and ladder that's what the firemen call it in New York
@@jamesrivera7618 Actually it's a common misconception, even among some in the FDNY. At one time Ladder Companies ( or Truck Companies) were called Hook & Ladder Companies. In fact, if you look at any of the the old "Jimmy Walker" firehouses, for example, you might see a H&L designation over the apparatus doors... and sometimes without a numerical designation. That's because those houses were built to accommodate two units, anticipating that a H&L Company might be established therein in the future. The term was later shortened to Ladder Company I think in the 1950s or 60s. Not sure why though.
In any event, the term Hook & Ladder referred to tools that they used, not to the fact that the rigs were tractor driven and had a tillerman. A "hook" comes in various lengths. Six foot is most common. Ten foot is also carried. There was a longer hook, but that wound up in the firehouse basement. A "hook" is sometimes referred to as a pike pole in some fire departments.
If you look at a FDNY firefighters badge, on one of the leaves of the Maltese Cross you will see a hydrant, on the opposite leaf you will see two tools...a hook and a ladder.
that's called a ladder truck
18wheeler firedepartment tractor. With. Car. Back. In.
It doesnt make any sense why u need a firetruck which is big as a fucking airplane. How do they maneuver in small narrow streets?
Those tillers are actually more maneuverable than the twin axle trucks. Amazing but true.
Dies make sense when you have to go up tall ass buildings you need long ladders. Long ladders you need long trucks