I know, it's crazy, I totally respect people's taste, and it's such a wild take for someone I pretty much agree with on everything else. It's really fascinating to me.
Honestly, I'm starting to think Colin is some type of troll. Especially since he's a complete @ss in his disagreement debates. But even in this video, whenever Madvocate does come up with a good critique, Colin just does some mental gymnastics and makes sh!t up. Basically, he's writing for the writers and then acts like whatever the critique was is bad.
@@bigdoubleu117 yeah true, nothing against Collin, I enjoy his videos but he does have the “I’m right your wrong” mentality no matter the points it seems 🤷 😅
@@nishchayjain1121 "You did WHAT to my original father's dead body?!" -Laura to Deadpool upon finding out Wade used her original dads body to kill TVA agents.
Yeah but Colin doesn't for some reason he just sees valid criticism and ignores Them because his opinion must be right. Colin only agreed with one point he brought up in the video. The whole video that madvocate made is well made the points brought are well thought out making parallels about plot problems but as you can see Colin ignores the points brought by someone who also saw the same film. Because again Colin is right he always is apparently.
It’s a different kind or review. People review movies off different standard and Madvocates review tend to point out more flaws than positives so his videos seem more cynical. It’s kinda his whole brand. And he’s made good reviews too and they’re logical and make sense when he lays out the foundations and scenarios that are in scenes and can piece them apart. Not gonna say all his criticisms are top notch but still
Big fan of ya channel! Wanted to play a bit of Devils Advocate though. You said Deadpool didn’t know bout the pruning timelines before to tell the agent that is exactly what they stopped doing. But Deadpool says in the movie he’s seen Loki lol.
And yes - Madvocate never said he doesn't like the movie.He criticizes movies he likes as well.But he is shitting on them teh same way if they have logical inconcictencies or idiocy
Madvocate go out of his way to say that he enjoyed NWH at his first watch and later seeing its flaws, but the moment Deadpool messed with Wolverine’s corpse is where his immersion of the movie breaks (I don’t think he likes this movie)
@@j.j.hector735fair, but also, their were definitely a lot of inconsistencies in this movie, especially with the TVA: What is stopping them from making guns? Why has nobody tried/done it yet? Like, the TVA criticisms are still valid, since none of that was addressed, but because it was never addressed, it’s kinda a mute point :/
Right, which is why most of his content is doom scroll hate-click sh*t with cringey titles that are almost always written in a hateful manner. Next you’ll say Nerdrotic isn’t a racist because he’d say so, even though his content consistently says otherwise
@@StormSlayer69 bringing up people entirely not related to the conversation just to call as many people as you can racist,sexist,misogynist and any other list you can imagine? Yea,buddy...maybe you should try...I don't know...finding out what a "normal human interaction" is?Or maybe finding out what is that legendary "grass" thing everyone keeps talking about?
@@eliasflawless1698 It's called pattern recognition and not taking people at their word, but rather their actions. Nothing Madvocate does indicates he likes NWH or DP3 since he decided to make videos mostly nitpicking and making bad criticisms about them. Where's the value in that if you really did like the movie?
Yea.TVA operating the same way as in the show - doesn't defend them in the movie. Because if how they operate makes a turtle smashing its head against a concrete wall look like peak specimens intellectual performance - it will still be idiotic and suck.
All that means is that the Loki writers gave them a broken foundation. It doesn’t make them better in the movie, but it means that it isn’t DP&W’s fault, the ones who made the idiotic organization are the Loki crew.
@oofiethetroll2059 i don't wish to argue, but just because it has a broken foundation doesn't mean that foundation could be approved or even rebuilt somehow. You can write that there was a restructuring on how the TVA operates or just simply show changes in the TVA in general (like how the bad guy said the grenades aren't used anymore).
@@ThePowerscalingCinephileIt doesn’t make sense that the TVA can produce technology capable of destroying an entire timeline with a single hand grenade, but they cant make lazer guns or put passwords on their time travel devices. They exist outside of time and thus should know the future of all timelines, like how they know the history of all timelines, but they simply don’t. And they can travel anywhere in any timeline yet they never abduct people in their sleep and never take advantage of their endless numbers to overwhelm an opponent who is clearly beating them.
@@AstrodeBastro First of, the people in Deadpool and Wolverine obviously show only a limited people in the TVA are against the main characters because duh, there was corruption within the TVA. As for having guns and having passwords on Temp Pads, the organization isn't a military force ran by corrupt and incompetent people and having guns would leave a trace when compared to the Time Stick which is meant erasure within all the timelines.
I dont like that people are acting as if this film is destroying all this lore, when the whole movie is a metaphor for disney and marvel saying they would like to add some nostalgic characters back into the fold while also establishing how this would work. These dudes act as if they cant use context clues, the movie was literally as good as it could be given the context
This has always been my thoughts on the D&W. The movie is clearly taking the piss out of all the nonsensical and downright unnecessary inclusions of things like multiverses, time travel, multiple timelines, race/gender swapping beloved characters, among other things. Seriously, do people not see what was going on, or do they just take things at face value?
@@XanegohAnd yet they then tried to connect it to the MCU which did most of those things as well, not to mention that if the movie's goal was just to take the piss out of the FOX X-Men universe then are we sure that it was a good purpose?
except they made it take place in the MCU, so the movie is doing the thing it's parodying. and if you engage with it on a story level, it's an awful movie, i don't care about the meta commentary if they didn't make the story actually work
Even assuming he's referring to normal guns, guns still affect deadpool, as he is shown bleeding after he is shot, so multiple TVA agents shooting him would weaken him
Yes, but earlier he said they probably don’t have a way to configure that teleporting/purging technology into a projectile, that the stick is probably as far as that particular kind of tech can go. Maybe it’s a form of energy or manipulation that cannot be used as a projectile, which is why we never see any of that in Loki. The second time he addressed it at 10:24 he’s talking about regular guns because the guy doesn’t clarify he’s talking about the zappy stick technology.
@@matthew_373 remember in Deadpool 2 when Cable shot him like 14 times and Deadpool’s only reaction was being mad that he couldn’t cut every bullet in half like in the movies, he wasn’t hurt by them enough to slow him down plus the second Deadpool sees them use guns he’s just gonna use his guns.
@@matthew_373 again Deadpool has a healing factor, and we see how fast he can regenerate wounds in this movie so even if 100 guys each shot Deadpool at least 1 or 2 times he would regenerate like 20 of those bullet wounds by the time 50 shots hit him.
I do agree with the point that paradox acts like an idiot. If not erasing timelines was a moral decision made by the TVA, then Paradox has no reason to believe that the TVA would do anything besides punish him for doing that exact thing.
exactly. If they've decided something is immoral, doing it faster won't make them change their minds. It's like telling a vegan that killing an animal faster is better because it's in pain for a shorter amount of time. It addresses the wrong part of the argument.
@@sawcrab2249 Well isn't the point that Paradox is an idiot? Plus, he's not trying to convince the TVA to do what he wants, he's forming his own group to do what they think is right.
2:10 this is admittedly pure conjecture, but i believe that the reason they dont have pruning guns is simply because if someone dodges the shot, something random can get pruned and depending on what does, it can affect the timeline in some way...
@matthew_373 What would guns do to a guy that can regenerate from BASICALLY anything? Whether or not he said it, it is the ONLY weapon that can deal with him permanently...
Madvocate is a different reviewer than the other people you’ve talked about on your channel, he is very specific in his criticism. He more focuses on the real-life/in universe logical mistakes that the characters make. If you’ve seen his CW flash videos, you’d easily know what I’m talking about. I think his points are fine for the most part as I think Deadpool 3 also lacks in a consistent narrative structure. What I think madvocate is missing from his view point is how the movie makes you feel like. Deadpool 3 feels like if you gave the character Deadpool 200 mil to make a movie. Deadpool, the character isn’t logically rational so why should his movie. That’s what I like about it
@@et4003 as in, he doesn’t react like a normal logical person would. In his game, he blew up a studio to get for funding for his game, in the comics. He killed everyone because he and everyone else was in a comic. There have even been multiple instances of Deadpool in the comics, using comically large weapons like mallets, guns and rockets. So in what way is he not a Looney tune? not an insult, the looney tunes are goated
@@Dr_Pepping the comic you’re referring to is an elseworld story, it’s not canon (I don’t like how Deadpool’s represented in the game but in terms of showing how messed up he can be that is in character). When I say a looney tune character I mean his stories are not meant to be jokes, even when written poorly (in his solo books at least) Deadpool is a messed up guy that uses comedy, his work, or both to ignore his problems. Btw I love the looney tunes they’re great, and I think a character that fits what you might think Deadpool is is Lobo
So it's basically MauLer-esque criticism. And that's not good criticism in general, it's just nitpicking, based on a stilted view of media that insists on "logic" over everything, which becomes pretty silly when you're discussing comic book-y stuff that deliberately doesn't give much attention to that.
Tbh his point was the intro was so bad it made it harder to enjoy the movie and i understand even if i still enjoyed it, considering how dirty they did logan imagine if spiderman died and in the next deadpool movie deadpool pissed on his corpse
I understand your points in counter argument and they are good but First he never said it was a bad movie just inconsistent and that he didn't enjoy it Second, making fun of his tone of speaking is a low blow just like saying you sound like every other white guy named Colin that comes out of the west coast And Finally, he doesn’t focus on criticizing character/story arcs he nitpicks sarcastically while presenting inconsistencies that should be addressed. Anyway, have a good day. I enjoyed watching both your video and Madvocte’s.
I mean, if you're writing a story about people who are really good at fighting, and then the fight scenes portray them as not so good at fighting, that's a valid criticism.
It is very valid to judge the fight scenes as it can affect past statements/movies. Deadpool healing factor is way more better and efficient in deadpool 3. Wolverine mainly stabs but doesn’t cut off any limbs like deadpool for example. Only x 23 does 2 cuts and we barely see her fight anyways. All the guns trained on deadpool and his crew is dumb. You have your melee fighters running in. Stopping gun men from shooting. But even in the couple of seconds before both teams clash. No of the gun men hits a character. X 23, wolverine and deadpool should be the only ones standing. Idk about blade but I’m pretty sure the other 3 aren’t bullet proof. Also lady death strike dies 2 times. Gets hit and is down for the count. Then gets hit again and is down to never been seen again. Right. She has a healing factor. If you want to make the argument and say this isn’t the same one from x men 2. Then the points made about x 23 can’t and shouldn’t be the same one from Logan is more valid. Another dumb fight scene was wolverine vs his brother. They literally build up the hype in the trailer and movie. Just to one shot him. Yeah the argument made about deadpool disrespecting Logan movie/character. This is another example. You distracted a character and promised something that didn’t happen. A fight we all wanted but got a killed off in a second. Also why would the tva give deadpool weapons and all, and then tell him something that would make him feel conflicted. It’s like hiring an assassin and giving him a bomb and teleport. Then saying. Go kill your mother. And instead he actives the bomb. And teleports away. Leaving them to blow up and save his mind instead. Get my point
@@flashygreenx8828 not reading allat, you should know if you watched the vid what I'm referring to. obviously whenever it's applicable sure, yeah, totally. but my point is clear as day lol
Not trying to argue but aren’t these people trained professionals? They probably would not get too phased by something graphic or scream when they have a clear sneak attack.
Well soldiers in war are also trained professionals, but obviously they can be severely traumatized by their fellow soldiers being brutally killed. It’s actually quite realistic.
@@s.k.4289"I'm traumatized coz I watched you maim and gut my friends but instead of having a panic attack, I'm going to stand here and insult you" What?!
@@luigithemaniac3840 Not everyone who gets traumatized by something has to have an extreme panic attack. Insulting Deadpool for being sick (alongside something he knows he is insecure about) because he's disgusted and wants to hurt Deadpool back isn't bad writing, that's his way of taking out his current distress onto Deadpool.
I'll be honest with you, no criticism, no matter how accurate, can get me to dislike Deadpool and Wolverine. I love the movie, I found it incredibly entertaining, and no one can change that for me.
I agree. The movie did the cameos right, had good jokes, and was more of a send off/love letter to the fox universe. Yes it did have some plot holes but honestly with the inconsistencies of the MCU as a whole its hard to make a movie like this super consistent. I think they did great with what they have.
My only problem with the TVA is that there are just so many entities in the MCU that are just as if not more powerful than the TVA, that they just keep retconning it
@@tirefish They use the prune bombs they use in Loki season 1? But wait, they stopped doing that so they’re unable to deal with these bigger threats and that’s why no one powerful has been sent to the void since the end of Loki season 1 and just let shit happen cause they can’t do anything.
@@FK74396 Before that though, there's that thing at the end of Thor Love and Thunder that granted Gorr his wish. Is it more or less powerful than the TVA? Surely it's more powerful, right? That is my problem, that the power balance just feels wrong. First it was Thanos, then it was Ultron from What If? then it was either Wanda or the thing that contains the universe inside of it. Then Kang. The constant new multiversal threat in every show or movie just feels... poorly done.
Tbh I think you could’ve done better with your counter to his criticism of the movie “disrespecting Logan’s death” In place of that “Logan would be proud of how Deadpool used his bones” thing, I would’ve invoked Doylist vs Watsonian; saying that he’s framing an in-universe action as an out of universe criticism. Yes, Deadpool desecrating Logan’s grave is very disrespectful… in-universe, but how is that disrespectful out-universe? I think that would’ve really strengthened your argument
Wolverine from Logan and dp3 are the same wolverine but variants from different timelines. THE (LOGAN) FROM LOGAN HASNT BEEN TOUCHED. Logan from dp3 IS A VARIANT FROM A SPLIT TIMELINE NOT THE ORIGINAL just like all of the other variants in dp3. so yes technically he disrespected Logan, just not (THE LOGAN)
@@joeiorio9654 he did but not well, also paradox literally showed him Logan’s death, and so far he didn’t lie to Wade so he’s got no reason to assume he’s lying about that
2:05 I think you missed his point of why don’t the TVA just use guns instead of close range you talked about how it’s consistent with how they work in Loki but it is pretty stupid that the people who control time and multiversus use sticks instead of guns
It would be better if they used guns that could also act as the sticks and when you shoot someone you teleport them, it could have been used a joke too, “we upgraded our gear offscreen so we don’t have to be in neck snapping distance of crazy people like Deadpool”. But regardless it is still a nitpick on madvocates part
@@EldenLord-wh4ov which one sounds worse, missing one shot from a gun that most likely has 5 bullets left (if they are using a type of pistol that can teleport people by shooting them) OR missing a melee attack with a close range weapon (that can teleport people by hitting them) fighting Deadpool.
Wait...does he think that it would be faster somehow to eradicate an entire universe one being at a time, using the little pruning batons, than to wait three days for a machine to boot up, that will destroy it all at once? Because it really sounds like he's implying that.
Is it just me or is it that when Deadpool and Wolverine came out, people were praising the movie left and right, and now suddenly they are complaining about the movie and saying it sucks out of nowhere? I think personally it's just people complaining to complain.
I personally feel like we need more context of what happened with wade and Venessa before commenting on it. I don’t remember seeing anything that outright said she left him because what ever. The scene was Casanova picking thru his brain can be manipulated cuz Casandra’s manipulating his brain but I still get the code he had a mid life crisis felt like he didn’t matter and HE pushed her away cuz he felt she felt he was worthless when I fact that was just what he thought. I don’t remember seeing anything on Venessa’s side that outright stated it was all her. I personally feel wade pushed her away feeling inadequate and she kinda just went with it after so long of arguing. Idk
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Madvocate's videos on The Flash, but, he JUST said "Why don't the TVA have different weapons like a grenade to end a timeline and then later SHOWS A TIMELINE GRENADE BEING USED! This is why you watch things that have a continuing story BEFORE doing a review on the next part, and i you don't want to, then don't ask questions pertaining to what came before.
Are you being obtuse on purpose, or are you just naturally very slow? Madvocate's point is that the time ripper in DP&W is utterly pointless because we know the TVA has those timeline grenades which were shown in the very first scene they ever showed up in. That's why he shows a visual of those, while asking why the TVA doesn't use it in this movie. It cannot be this difficult to glean that that is what he meant if you paid any attention while watching his video.
@@SouthpawLP I think you're actually being slow. In the movie, Paradox says they're doing what they're doing without license/ off the books. The reason he's making a Time Ripper is because he clearly doesn't have any grenades as the TVA, more than likely, ended production of those and prob got rid of them after Loki S2. Even if they do still have them, Paradox has no way of getting to them without being found out and stopped. Also, he was arguing about before he went on about the movie and he was talking about the TVA in general not just what's shown in the movie.
The MCU's multiversal bullshit terminology has become so confusing and convoluted that people are coming up with headcanons like "timelines aren't universes" to cover the inconsistencies.
So where do we all stand on loki? I thought it was an absolutely fantastic show, and a lot of the inconsistencies in Deadpool and Wolverine can be explained by simply just watching the show.
@simonegesualdo6636 Well, I thought it was really good. There was one character that was slightly annoying, but we did get more Rensselaer and Miss Minutes, which is a major upside, in my opinion.
@@simonegesualdo6636 Second season is good but gets retconned because kang is no longer a main villain. I would still watch it though its one of the few good ip's that marvel has dropped post endgame
Also, like I said in a call reacting to this video, it wouldn’t matter because Paradox’s plan is to not only bring Deadpool in the MCU, but destroy his universe as well. Meaning, there wouldn’t be a universe collision since it would be destroyed before an incursion happens.
*SPOILERS* I thought the bit at the end where deadpool is messing arund in the window killed me, I loved it. Ik that's a small part of the movie, but that stuck with me. And the bit about him screaming at hulk "I AM MARVEL JESUS YOU DULL CREATURE" great callback
Dude, who can take that guy seriously... he's playing fortnite.. building towers alone.. and on top of that, he is being negative for the sake of negative. Just sad man touch grass.. but hey, we got Spiderman roasting you. enough said
Anyone else confused as to why Madvocate kept showing that clip of Deadpool dying in Thor's arms in reference to the MCU needing Deadpool at some point? People can't really believe that's the moment that TVA man (forgot his name too) was referring to. That clip just looks like it's Deadpool replacing Loki in Thor the dark world (it's even using Thor's old design).
@@simonegesualdo6636 I think it'd be fine if it was treated as background footage like other parts of the video. Putting a focus on it just makes people (even if it's just subconscious) think or register that clip as something to look for in the future. I do acknowledge that I'm probably overthinking this. I just thought it was a weird thing for Madvocate to zoom in on.
Arguing for death of the author does not function in a movie which breaks the 4th wall. If the 4th wall is broken then the meanings that the author intended are actively a part of the storyline and therefore relevant.
no, death of the author still applies. there's still no "intended" interpretation of the media we still have to follow, you can interpret different things even from the 4th wall breaking lines (and of course the rest of the contents of the movie)
@@channel45853 cmon now, I like the movie too, but we can all agree it was dumb. He's alerting a dangerous threat to his position when he has the upper hand and the element of surprise. These are supposed to be time soldiers/police.
@@PJmachine If we could all agree that it was dumb, me commenting would quite the joke. If you're unwilling to humor a different interpretation, then just say so, and don't try to arrogantly appeal to me.
@@channel45853 Lol. Your interpretation also makes the dude seem dumb. So no matter which interpretation, both are dumb choices by the solider. No matter how you spin or justify it, giving up the element of surprise because you are "angry" is a dumb move. And that dumb move cost that guy his life. There's no disagreeing.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 ok, yea it was an exaggeration, but like with how many response videos this dude made, I really don't think we need any more. And he admitted himself that he wants to milk madvocate when mentioned the shang chi video.
You guys can correct me if I'm wrong here (just please be nice about it) but what's so hard to understand about the Multiverse: -There are multiple timelines where something happened diferently to the main line of movies. -Any dream someone has is a defferent universe -And they revolve around 1 being the "Anchor Being". And the Anchor Being dies the world withers away. What is so hard to understand about that? Again if I'm wrong please correct me.
Timeliness and multiverses are the same thing as of Loki, but there was such a thing as a multiverse by the time of the first Doctor Strange movie. Timelines were also a concept by Endgame, however both cease to exist by the time of Loki... somehow. For all intents and purposes, there is no meaningful distinction made between universes and timelines, it seems like there was at some point, but now Marvel literally treats them the same way
Hey Colin just wanted to say nice job on this and everything else you do (it blows my mind how many bad criticisms of this movie there are) and i would love to see a response to the Shang chi video.
How can you even debunk a review? You can debunk subjective opinions, if he thinks the movie is bad for those reasons then he does and that's that. "I hate popular movie because of x, y, z" "Erm akctually your criticism is invalid so you're debunked"
you can debunk a review when the person making it tries to make an objective statement about the quality of a film. example : I hate this movie because it has this plot hole. debunker : actually this isn't a plot hole for these reasons. See what I mean ?
@@TamakiDamoismyhusbando saying a movie has plot holes is objective criticism not subjective criticism. a subjective criticism would be saying I personally prefer Wolverine's design in Logan then in Deadpool and wolverine.
I’m gonna assume you’re also gonna respond to Sheev talks video? Also I won’t be surprised if he does a 4 hour response to you like Sheev did which I wonder if you’ll respond to it.
Tbh the Deadpool corps was wasted and I hope they use them better in another project. It’s a really cool area of Deadpool stories and I don’t want them to be reduced to Peter joke
Tbh it was fair criticism, didnt agree with some of what he daid but he had a fair point with the continuity arguments. It hurt to watch it because im a fan of the movie but it was pretty fair regardless. The movie's good imo though
@@MartinMiller-MM I mean, it’s not my type of thing at all, it being alright to me is it being outstanding to people who like shows like that. Anyway, I’d still give it 9/10.
A timeline dying because of an anchor brings death, and Cassandra wiping out the entire multiverse with the time ripper don’t work because Loki’s currently holding all timelines together
19:44 that argument doesn’t work because in DP2 he already knew that Logan died in Logan, so there’s no reason for him to go to his burial site to see if he’s somehow alive. The movies are very inconsistent with whether or not the meta shit is just a joke or an actual ability he has
20:08 he could’ve done his “pretending to be dumber than he is” bit and tested out how the pruning sticks and tempad worked before hand, he’s smart enough to know that he should be wary of a secret organization that controls time
@et4003 the entire point of him going to the burial sight is because he thinks that wolverines healing factor is strong enough to survive that which in most cases he would. Deadpool later on states that "Well the doctors say you were chest f**ked by a tree but really you ran out of gas" I don't understand why people are just glossing over that
I really dont get why making so much effort to defend this movie. I get that probably the video from madvovate is for the most part just nitpicking, but even if you use the “it’s a deadpool movie, it’s not supposed to make sense” excuse, the movie would still being bad. The cinematography would still be bad, the production design would still be awful, the cgi would still be mid etc. it’s no like you’re defending citizen Kane from the rosebud plot hole
How dare Barry Allen appeal to people's humanity. How dare Barry be a forgiving person? He should just punch everybody fast cause he fastman and that's all he does. I get that it's cool to crap on the CW, but what it does with The Flash is what people are starting to praise with things like how Batman The Animated Series did with Batman.
To be fair him doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity and gets pretty annoying “Man I tried to reason with this guy like a million times and he keeps kicking my butt, maybe one more time should do it” some villains just can’t be redeemed, you don’t see Spider-man try to redeem Carnage or Superman trying to redeem Doomsday or Darkseid.
@@channel45853if you were to do that, you would know that madvocate states numerous times that flash can just use the meta dampening cuffs without anyone batting an eye. He can easily have a conversation with these people while making sure no one gets hurt. What did you analyze exactly?
If they view time from the outside shouldn’t there universe have always been dying because Logan has always been dead from there pov meaning the universe starting to die is just kind random and stupid
50:16 Also this is kinda the closing aspect of what I think bothers me so much about this. It feels like the "lol random humor" really has superceded the at least solid writing of the first two movies. I will admit nothing in this movie is conceptually awful but execution wise it falls so flat and unfortunately that flat writing is what a lot of people are gonna associate with Deadpool now. When Avengers: Cameo Wars inveitably happens people will probably ask why isn't Deadpool a main member and why isn't he cracking fourth wall breaking jokes every 3 miliseconds that pertain to actors, Hollywood, or stretched out Disney related bits. Which honestly if I hadn't made it clear by the tone of that last sentence, that kinda sucks. It's like one of the things I find annoying about certain writers who handle Deadpool in the comics as crazy as it is to say about a CBM character not needing to be 100% accurate. That's the one distinction I would have wanted to stay.
Honestly I think all 3 Deadpool movies have the problem of not really understanding Deadpool well: the sad clown stuff, him being a really shitty person that’s trying to be good, and even basic stuff like being a mercenary are all either toned down or executed poorly. The humor is also a big issue because it feels more like Ryan Reynolds than Deadpool
Only thing i agree with is the anchor being. Makes no sense. How can one character be tied to the survival of an entire universe? The MCU is is putting a rule into the Marvel Multiverse that was never there and it doesnt work. It's easy to understand the concept yes, but that doesn't mean it makes any sense.
☝️🤓 Actually in the comics anchor beings do make sense because they are all one person who exists in every other universe all with one mind that being the molecule man who is one of the strongest beings in the marvel comics, it makes sense for like a galactus level threat to be an anchor being
@@ineedit1772 NERD!!! In all seriousness the only "anchor" being ive heard of is Superman cause in DC you cant erase him from existence otherwise you disrupt the fabric of the multiverse. Which makes sense since he was like the first DC anything.
@@ineedit1772 Except fucking Logan of all people is not a Galactus level being, he just has a powerful healing factor. Plus the Beyonders created MM specifically for the purpose of creating Incurseans, which are another concept butchered by the MCU. I'm sure they're setting up Battle World, but if so then they're doing a piss-poor job of it
Personally I prefer anchor beings to cannon events Cannon events affect the story and until disproven I genuinely hate them I personally love what ifs so the idea that any Spiderman who goes against them will have their entire world erased Meanwhile anchor beings are based on a marketing perspective (like when the original ultimates comics were dying off after peter died ) and if something cool happens can be passed to someone new (what I assumed happend at the end of wolverine and deadpool). Anchor beings even function in todays comics e.g. the ultimates line starting again where Spiderman is sold the best and Peter in 616 is still high up in sales (eventhough 616 peter isn't good ) Ancor beings is such a smart idea whilst cannon events is pattern recognition and then almost forcing it into something that must happen Anchor beings make people think who is the biggest character in this while cannon events may even affect future writers and force them to write certain things TLDR: One big film forces writers and stories into a corner Meanwhile another story tries to tell people one character shouldn't be the glue for an entire universe I hope this was understandable (yes I realise this is a mostly unrelated rambleing session)
treats a character people like as a prop for a random new character's story instead of an actual main character, speedruns character development in like 10 minutes by showing the character that has to develop a montage of a life he could have lived instead of naturally letting him develop throughout the story, amd that's just what I remembered from 2021 when i actually watched loki s1. I remember the score being phenomenal tho
@@wywrd_mtnt ok the first part, i don't fully understand because loki IS the main character. The other likeable character could be mobius but I feel like they focus on their relationship more which i like. Then there's the development, they showed him his life and how it was meant to be, i don't think that messed with his character much at all. Throughout the series you can see him change gradually, especially s1 where even 4 episodes in, he still has these "evil" tendencies and plans. Loki changes most in the show when he meets sylvie and learns to care about someone other than himself because he empathises with her. Imo i appreciated how they handled each character because they were all fleshed out.
@@DuelerMinecraft i mean yeah sure I just said why someone might've had issues with the show, as a big loki fan that had a ton of issues with the show. i felt like they fucked up his characterisation since that was basically avengers 1 loki and didn’t let him grow on his own at all, and also didn't address that the guy was clearly acting under some duress from thanos during the avengers. just straight up making him into present day avengers infinity war loki with a 10 minutes montage. to me, the opportunities they missed were detrimental to the character and so made the show incredibly shallow and unenjoyable, and the moment they introduce sylvie the show starts acting like she's the mc. all my criticism is based in s1 cause that season genuinely made me disconnect from anything marvel, going from someone that was tuned into every release to someone that won't even watch a new installment unless i hear spoilers to see if they handle the characters well (they rarely do these days)
@@wywrd_mtnt what nooo I've never thought of Sylvie as the mc. BUT I do agree, the development loki had over the course of the mcu was condensed into a few episodes so i get that. I just feel like him changing quickly could be more realistic because Loki had been introduced to a whole different league of power, he was humbled so quick and maybe that's why he submitted much quicker. But I don't think they ruined Loki's character imo it added more to him in many different ways.
i dont really understand the argument of "if _____ acted like this in _____ it should act like this in this movie" argument, like should we just ignore everything established before??? its like watching civil war then in the next movie cap and tony are friends because its "better for the plot" of the next movie
I feel like this guys don’t even really watch these movies, or at least, they watch it one time while barely paying attention and then start recording a video. They miss a lot and get so easily confused by things that are explained or inferred.
I feel like a lot of this video was Madvocate asking legitimate questions about the bizarre logic of this universe and Colin replying with “They say that’s just how it works, and if they don’t, you can just assume that’s how it works.” Best example is when they talked about anchor beings and new Logan living in the Fox universe. Madvocate: “If the death of an anchor being means the end of their universe, then what kept the universe stable before they were born?” Colin: “It’s probably the universe working on bringing them into existence.” Madvocate: “What about incursions? Shouldn’t bringing Logan here risk destroying both universes?” Colin: “TVA Lady said it works.” I get both sides because a lot of it is trying to understand the inner works of a universe thats rules are poorly designed but I lean more on Madvocate’s side here because of one simple reason. If I’m trying to immerse myself in a universe and rules establish starts getting hazy and makes me question things, it distracts me and takes me out of it. I shouldn’t have to ask questions about the logic of a universe nor should I have to turn my brain off and accept the movie gaslight me into not asking question. A good story will have understandable rules that have logical coherence to where I can follow along without a spreadsheet or someone in universe telling me “That’s just how it works.” Avatar The Last Airbender was a great show because while it dealt with absurd magic, everything made enough logical sense to where we didn’t need either of that. Why can people bend? Because this universe, energy flows through everything, connecting people to the elements that make life. Why do civilizations have unanimous bending types? Because bending is an art passed through generations and it’s reasonable to conclude given the wealth of evidence that bending has a genetic element to it. Why does the Avatar exist? Because as energy flows through the universe and is used by people, an anchor to both the energy of the universe and those who use it came into existence to keep the balance of the universe from falling into chaos. All of it makes enough coherent sense to where you don’t need to theorize on everything or have someone tell you “it just works”. Colin, love ya man but this video just ain’t it man. You’re starting to become a bit if an anti-critic and excusing logical incoherence by either doing the writing for the author or turning your brain off and accepting whatever the story tells you. If people follow your example and not demand better logical coherence in our stories, you can kiss worlds like ATLA goodbye because nobody is going to care about fleshing these worlds out and making them feel as real as they can be. We’re just gunna be getting fever dreams of stories where characters, plot and events happen in a world that’s nothing more than set-dressing. C’mon man, world building is as important to a good story as is character and plot. If any of the three starts falling apart, it breaks immersion and tarnishes the story because it’s really hard to enjoy a story when you can’t immerse yourself in it.
Yeah I ain't reading all that. But I agree, they shouldve definitely made the rules more consistent. It allows you to understand the universe better, which is fun when the rules dont change ever 5 mins in the same universe. It's like in the wire, you learn "they dont keep guns in the stash houses" it makes the scenes where omar knows this and does what he does so much better
thank you! like this guy is acting like the mcu hasn't existed for more than a decade and you're not allowed to ask questions about the "new rules" of the worldbuilding when they're stupid. like newsflash, anchor beings are stupid and they do in fact fuck with the concept of free will and also get rid of a ton of stakes. also wouldn't the mcu's anchor being be either tony stark or steve rogers? how is that timeline still going then? but noooo if you criticise the most recent marvel slop you're doing it in bad faith and you're nitpicking instead of just someone who wants the worldbuilding to make an ounce of sense from installment to installment
Im just gonna say, i think anchor beings are beings that cause their timeline to branch. As long as they exist their timeline exists. It would explain why the TVA takes the being that causes the branch into custody to prune them separate rather than just let them get pruned with the rest of their universes.
Though I have a guilty pleasure for Madvocate's nitpicky type "reviews", it's an exercise in just that - nitpicking. You could probably do that with any movie ever which kinda misses the point of a good story. Which is entertainment and engagement, despite logical problems. The perfect logically consistent movie would probably be boring as hell. Except the movie Primer - which I hear is an example of an entertaining movie with no holes
@@SouthpawLPLegit. What’s actually funny is Collin resorts to hiding context for points Madvocate raises that he finds inconvenient and that he’s relying far too much on his own interpretation of things. Really feels like a reactionary video because the points raised are 90% already countered/unimportant.
Love how the guy somehow thinks being able to see the end of the universe means that in the universe of the story it's been written out already and not that they can just see the culmination of choices that leads to that history they can see from the TVA
People are thinking that paradox is supposed to be this "evil genius" but thats not what he is, he's an idiot who makes stupid decisions and loses because of that
Then Deadpool should’ve realized that and threatened to kill him and his tva crew if he didn’t shut off the time ripper, which would be in character and force Paradox to think smarter about how to deal with things
1:45 bro are you mental? Or a troll? Never mind marvel writers not always staying consistent with lore. Just because a character said something, or doesn’t do something logical. Doesn’t make it good or invalid to question it. You shot yourself in the leg too by saying the Loki show never did explain why they don’t use guns or anything else. That’s already a writing flaw. Following flawed logic doesn’t make it good or justified. Especially since this tva is off the grid. Doing their own thing. More of the reason to question why they haven’t started using different tech and weapons. The fact still remains which you didn’t address or anything. The star lord example. He had tech that made multiple people stay in one place. The tva could steal that tech or make their own. Which would make their job a lot easier. It’s why the army is always nerfed in zombies stuff for example. They’re too overpowered. They would win thanks to their training and resources. So you gotta down play them to use medieval logic. Like the tva using melee weapons than anything else. It’s not even permanent established lore. It’s a writing flaw or feat that can be updated
Also, this time ripper erases the timeline from existence, while the pruning grenades relocated the stuff. That’s where Alieth was, and he who remains. The end of the timeline.
Both of yall are bugging on loki, thats like the one marvel show excluding xmen 97 in recent memory that I didn't leave feeling at all disappointed. Wanda vision got close to being there too but the last couple episodes sold it a bit
Even if they couldn't make guns, it wouldn't be a stretch to implement the tva sticks into a crossbow. If they are only activated by touching a button, then maybe not. I guess they could make a way to have it touch the bottom with a mechanism.
If they can't make pruning guns then they should at least have normal guns/energy blasters. The fight would be much easier if they just blew DP's legs and arms off and then pruned him. They have fucking infinity stones lying around everywhere so surely they can get the most advanced and powerful guns in the universe and make them standard issue.
22:03 every universe anchor being would eventually die somewhere down the timeline so why wouldn’t every universe already start decaying if the time was irrelevant
11:07 Heh EFAT Also I would like to point out (That SK also point out) Madvocate and Efap said that the time grenade active instantly which it doesn't. The time grenade isn't like a nuke that instantly activates with a push of a button. Is more like a zombie decay that once active slowly destroyed everything within a certain amount of time. *I'm being way too passionate about a fictional weapon that no one cares about anymore*
so you're not allowed to argue with the logic of a cinematic universe at large, but also you're not allowed to argue with the internal logic consistency of a story. got it! Im not overly nitpicky myself but even i got a sense of "this movie makes no sense if you think about it for more than 2 seconds" from this movie. nobody is saying you shouldn't like it, but also I'm pretty sure criticising things from a logical standpoint (as opposed to doing it from a "screaming about how everything is woke and bad" standpoint) is not as bad as y'all make it out to be. madvocate made some points, and just saying "thats just how the story works" is not the rebuttal you think it is ngl. it's okay to admit when the writing is bad, you can still enjoy it but that doesn't make it logical or good
Ngl Collin saying Loki sucks but enjoyed joker 2 is wild…not looking for arguing, just an observation 😅
I know, it's crazy, I totally respect people's taste, and it's such a wild take for someone I pretty much agree with on everything else. It's really fascinating to me.
Agreed🤝
100%, and his fans were actually defending him 😂
Honestly, I'm starting to think Colin is some type of troll.
Especially since he's a complete @ss in his disagreement debates.
But even in this video, whenever Madvocate does come up with a good critique, Colin just does some mental gymnastics and makes sh!t up.
Basically, he's writing for the writers and then acts like whatever the critique was is bad.
@@bigdoubleu117 yeah true, nothing against Collin, I enjoy his videos but he does have the “I’m right your wrong” mentality no matter the points it seems 🤷 😅
I do wonder if Laura ever found out if Deadpool used her father's dead body's bones to kill a bunch of TVA agents.
Laura would murder him for that.
@@nishchayjain1121 "You did WHAT to my original father's dead body?!" -Laura to Deadpool upon finding out Wade used her original dads body to kill TVA agents.
@@NewOverlord an yeah, she would use him as a punching bag by her claws.
She wouldn't do anything
@@lukescrew1981 It's just a joke
1:54 He is trying to say this as a double criticism, saying that it is dumb in this and dumb in Loki
he didn’t even watch loki though
@@gort2647 He’s saying that just because it was a thing in a different dumb show (I actually like Loki tho) doesn’t mean it’s not dumb in this movie
@@carterparson3401 ok makes more sense i guess
I gotta respect not doing tons of mental gymnastics to defend every criticism of the movie and actually agree with some elements of his arguement
Yeah but Colin doesn't for some reason he just sees valid criticism and ignores Them because his opinion must be right. Colin only agreed with one point he brought up in the video. The whole video that madvocate made is well made the points brought are well thought out making parallels about plot problems but as you can see Colin ignores the points brought by someone who also saw the same film. Because again Colin is right he always is apparently.
@@j.r.tomlin4265 Yeah no
@@lukescrew1981 nice Nu Hu.
He did do mental gymnastics for the logan'z grave being disrespected thing lol
@@lukescrew1981yeah yes
People conflate myopic mental gymnastics and nitpicking to a microscopic degree as “good review”
Cinema sins has alwats been poison. "These are problems in the movie therefore the movie is bad, thank you cinema sins for treaching me how to review"
That's madvocates videos style, it's not 100% serious
Most of the vid wasnt nitpicking they did logan dirty
It’s a different kind or review. People review movies off different standard and Madvocates review tend to point out more flaws than positives so his videos seem more cynical. It’s kinda his whole brand. And he’s made good reviews too and they’re logical and make sense when he lays out the foundations and scenarios that are in scenes and can piece them apart. Not gonna say all his criticisms are top notch but still
I blame Cinemasins for starting it
Big fan of ya channel!
Wanted to play a bit of Devils Advocate though. You said Deadpool didn’t know bout the pruning timelines before to tell the agent that is exactly what they stopped doing. But Deadpool says in the movie he’s seen Loki lol.
And yes - Madvocate never said he doesn't like the movie.He criticizes movies he likes as well.But he is shitting on them teh same way if they have logical inconcictencies or idiocy
Madvocate go out of his way to say that he enjoyed NWH at his first watch and later seeing its flaws, but the moment Deadpool messed with Wolverine’s corpse is where his immersion of the movie breaks (I don’t think he likes this movie)
@@j.j.hector735fair, but also, their were definitely a lot of inconsistencies in this movie, especially with the TVA:
What is stopping them from making guns? Why has nobody tried/done it yet?
Like, the TVA criticisms are still valid, since none of that was addressed, but because it was never addressed, it’s kinda a mute point :/
Right, which is why most of his content is doom scroll hate-click sh*t with cringey titles that are almost always written in a hateful manner. Next you’ll say Nerdrotic isn’t a racist because he’d say so, even though his content consistently says otherwise
@@StormSlayer69 bringing up people entirely not related to the conversation just to call as many people as you can racist,sexist,misogynist and any other list you can imagine?
Yea,buddy...maybe you should try...I don't know...finding out what a "normal human interaction" is?Or maybe finding out what is that legendary "grass" thing everyone keeps talking about?
@@eliasflawless1698 It's called pattern recognition and not taking people at their word, but rather their actions. Nothing Madvocate does indicates he likes NWH or DP3 since he decided to make videos mostly nitpicking and making bad criticisms about them. Where's the value in that if you really did like the movie?
He did not say that it was a bad movie just that it was full of plotholes
Yea.TVA operating the same way as in the show - doesn't defend them in the movie.
Because if how they operate makes a turtle smashing its head against a concrete wall look like peak specimens intellectual performance - it will still be idiotic and suck.
All that means is that the Loki writers gave them a broken foundation. It doesn’t make them better in the movie, but it means that it isn’t DP&W’s fault, the ones who made the idiotic organization are the Loki crew.
@oofiethetroll2059 i don't wish to argue, but just because it has a broken foundation doesn't mean that foundation could be approved or even rebuilt somehow.
You can write that there was a restructuring on how the TVA operates or just simply show changes in the TVA in general (like how the bad guy said the grenades aren't used anymore).
Saying you need to see Loki in order to criticize how the TVA operates in Deadpool and Wolverine is downright silly
Well that is the show they premiered in
@@LacTose90A faction being written terribly in their first outing doesn’t excuse writing them terribly in all future appearances
@@AstrodeBastro How is it terribly written?
@@ThePowerscalingCinephileIt doesn’t make sense that the TVA can produce technology capable of destroying an entire timeline with a single hand grenade, but they cant make lazer guns or put passwords on their time travel devices. They exist outside of time and thus should know the future of all timelines, like how they know the history of all timelines, but they simply don’t. And they can travel anywhere in any timeline yet they never abduct people in their sleep and never take advantage of their endless numbers to overwhelm an opponent who is clearly beating them.
@@AstrodeBastro First of, the people in Deadpool and Wolverine obviously show only a limited people in the TVA are against the main characters because duh, there was corruption within the TVA. As for having guns and having passwords on Temp Pads, the organization isn't a military force ran by corrupt and incompetent people and having guns would leave a trace when compared to the Time Stick which is meant erasure within all the timelines.
Deadpool and Wolverine had one of the best intros in cinema history imo
It was a good intro but one of the best in cinema is crazy
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BYE BYE BYE!!!
@@domesticmh4567 idk I just really enjoyed it lmao
@@domesticmh4567"Imo" can't you read?
I dont like that people are acting as if this film is destroying all this lore, when the whole movie is a metaphor for disney and marvel saying they would like to add some nostalgic characters back into the fold while also establishing how this would work. These dudes act as if they cant use context clues, the movie was literally as good as it could be given the context
*coughs* Sheev *cough*
The Marvel/Fox lore is already destroyed. Deadpool is just playing in it. Wish it wasn’t broken but here we are
This has always been my thoughts on the D&W. The movie is clearly taking the piss out of all the nonsensical and downright unnecessary inclusions of things like multiverses, time travel, multiple timelines, race/gender swapping beloved characters, among other things. Seriously, do people not see what was going on, or do they just take things at face value?
@@XanegohAnd yet they then tried to connect it to the MCU which did most of those things as well, not to mention that if the movie's goal was just to take the piss out of the FOX X-Men universe then are we sure that it was a good purpose?
except they made it take place in the MCU, so the movie is doing the thing it's parodying. and if you engage with it on a story level, it's an awful movie, i don't care about the meta commentary if they didn't make the story actually work
Unfortunately there is nowhere to run
Smash bros theme ensues.
@@coal4208NormalGuy with a Gun JOINS THE BATTLE
For his neutral b he wields a gu-
Along with Maybe a Honka-HONKA~
10:24 I think madvocate meant “access to guns” in the sense of implementing their purging technology into firearms, not normal guns but meh
Even assuming he's referring to normal guns, guns still affect deadpool, as he is shown bleeding after he is shot, so multiple TVA agents shooting him would weaken him
Yes, but earlier he said they probably don’t have a way to configure that teleporting/purging technology into a projectile, that the stick is probably as far as that particular kind of tech can go. Maybe it’s a form of energy or manipulation that cannot be used as a projectile, which is why we never see any of that in Loki. The second time he addressed it at 10:24 he’s talking about regular guns because the guy doesn’t clarify he’s talking about the zappy stick technology.
@@matthew_373 remember in Deadpool 2 when Cable shot him like 14 times and Deadpool’s only reaction was being mad that he couldn’t cut every bullet in half like in the movies, he wasn’t hurt by them enough to slow him down plus the second Deadpool sees them use guns he’s just gonna use his guns.
@@ineedit1772 That was only one guy and 14 bullets. Imagine hundreds
@@matthew_373 again Deadpool has a healing factor, and we see how fast he can regenerate wounds in this movie so even if 100 guys each shot Deadpool at least 1 or 2 times he would regenerate like 20 of those bullet wounds by the time 50 shots hit him.
I do agree with the point that paradox acts like an idiot. If not erasing timelines was a moral decision made by the TVA, then Paradox has no reason to believe that the TVA would do anything besides punish him for doing that exact thing.
exactly. If they've decided something is immoral, doing it faster won't make them change their minds. It's like telling a vegan that killing an animal faster is better because it's in pain for a shorter amount of time. It addresses the wrong part of the argument.
@@sawcrab2249 Well isn't the point that Paradox is an idiot? Plus, he's not trying to convince the TVA to do what he wants, he's forming his own group to do what they think is right.
2:10 this is admittedly pure conjecture, but i believe that the reason they dont have pruning guns is simply because if someone dodges the shot, something random can get pruned and depending on what does, it can affect the timeline in some way...
That makes a lot of sense. How did no one ever think of that
Madvocate never said "pruning guns", he said guns or any projectile weaponry
@matthew_373 What would guns do to a guy that can regenerate from BASICALLY anything? Whether or not he said it, it is the ONLY weapon that can deal with him permanently...
@@matthew_373sorry but is that not clearly what he meant? What would he be referring to? But it changes nothing projectiles wouldn’t work anyways.
@@drakeredgrave6747 In deadpool 1 he is capable of getting hurt by bullets in the opening, imagine what multiple tva agents spraying him would do
Madvocate is a different reviewer than the other people you’ve talked about on your channel, he is very specific in his criticism. He more focuses on the real-life/in universe logical mistakes that the characters make. If you’ve seen his CW flash videos, you’d easily know what I’m talking about. I think his points are fine for the most part as I think Deadpool 3 also lacks in a consistent narrative structure. What I think madvocate is missing from his view point is how the movie makes you feel like. Deadpool 3 feels like if you gave the character Deadpool 200 mil to make a movie. Deadpool, the character isn’t logically rational so why should his movie. That’s what I like about it
In what way is Deadpool inherently irrational as a character. He might use unorthodox methods to deal with situations but he’s not a looney tune
@@et4003 as in, he doesn’t react like a normal logical person would. In his game, he blew up a studio to get for funding for his game, in the comics. He killed everyone because he and everyone else was in a comic. There have even been multiple instances of Deadpool in the comics, using comically large weapons like mallets, guns and rockets. So in what way is he not a Looney tune? not an insult, the looney tunes are goated
@@Dr_Pepping the comic you’re referring to is an elseworld story, it’s not canon (I don’t like how Deadpool’s represented in the game but in terms of showing how messed up he can be that is in character).
When I say a looney tune character I mean his stories are not meant to be jokes, even when written poorly (in his solo books at least) Deadpool is a messed up guy that uses comedy, his work, or both to ignore his problems. Btw I love the looney tunes they’re great, and I think a character that fits what you might think Deadpool is is Lobo
So it's basically MauLer-esque criticism. And that's not good criticism in general, it's just nitpicking, based on a stilted view of media that insists on "logic" over everything, which becomes pretty silly when you're discussing comic book-y stuff that deliberately doesn't give much attention to that.
Tbh his point was the intro was so bad it made it harder to enjoy the movie and i understand even if i still enjoyed it, considering how dirty they did logan imagine if spiderman died and in the next deadpool movie deadpool pissed on his corpse
this whole argument reminds me of that one guy who made a whole video criticizing Arkham knight but didn't finish the fucking game.
And he still bitches about it and belittles the people who criticized him in his Arkham Origins review.
I understand your points in counter argument and they are good but
First he never said it was a bad movie just inconsistent and that he didn't enjoy it
Second, making fun of his tone of speaking is a low blow just like saying you sound like every other white guy named Colin that comes out of the west coast
And Finally, he doesn’t focus on criticizing character/story arcs he nitpicks sarcastically while presenting inconsistencies that should be addressed.
Anyway, have a good day. I enjoyed watching both your video and Madvocte’s.
I love reviews of fight scenes, cause it’s almost always just “why don’t they fight gooder?”
Well why don't they??? /s
@@TheOfficialPineTreeStudios /s means sarcasm
I mean, if you're writing a story about people who are really good at fighting, and then the fight scenes portray them as not so good at fighting, that's a valid criticism.
It is very valid to judge the fight scenes as it can affect past statements/movies. Deadpool healing factor is way more better and efficient in deadpool 3. Wolverine mainly stabs but doesn’t cut off any limbs like deadpool for example. Only x 23 does 2 cuts and we barely see her fight anyways. All the guns trained on deadpool and his crew is dumb. You have your melee fighters running in. Stopping gun men from shooting. But even in the couple of seconds before both teams clash. No of the gun men hits a character. X 23, wolverine and deadpool should be the only ones standing. Idk about blade but I’m pretty sure the other 3 aren’t bullet proof. Also lady death strike dies 2 times. Gets hit and is down for the count. Then gets hit again and is down to never been seen again. Right. She has a healing factor. If you want to make the argument and say this isn’t the same one from x men 2. Then the points made about x 23 can’t and shouldn’t be the same one from Logan is more valid. Another dumb fight scene was wolverine vs his brother. They literally build up the hype in the trailer and movie. Just to one shot him. Yeah the argument made about deadpool disrespecting Logan movie/character. This is another example. You distracted a character and promised something that didn’t happen. A fight we all wanted but got a killed off in a second. Also why would the tva give deadpool weapons and all, and then tell him something that would make him feel conflicted. It’s like hiring an assassin and giving him a bomb and teleport. Then saying. Go kill your mother. And instead he actives the bomb. And teleports away. Leaving them to blow up and save his mind instead. Get my point
@@flashygreenx8828 not reading allat, you should know if you watched the vid what I'm referring to.
obviously whenever it's applicable sure, yeah, totally. but my point is clear as day lol
Not trying to argue but aren’t these people trained professionals? They probably would not get too phased by something graphic or scream when they have a clear sneak attack.
Well soldiers in war are also trained professionals, but obviously they can be severely traumatized by their fellow soldiers being brutally killed. It’s actually quite realistic.
@@s.k.4289 what about the scream bru
@@s.k.4289 usually the trauma would come in after the wars. Plus, the soldiers were trained and ordered to kill and only kill.
@@s.k.4289"I'm traumatized coz I watched you maim and gut my friends but instead of having a panic attack, I'm going to stand here and insult you" What?!
@@luigithemaniac3840 Not everyone who gets traumatized by something has to have an extreme panic attack. Insulting Deadpool for being sick (alongside something he knows he is insecure about) because he's disgusted and wants to hurt Deadpool back isn't bad writing, that's his way of taking out his current distress onto Deadpool.
Tva should 100% be more efficient, Especially with the tech they got.
I'll be honest with you, no criticism, no matter how accurate, can get me to dislike Deadpool and Wolverine. I love the movie, I found it incredibly entertaining, and no one can change that for me.
Good for you.
@@vaggos2003Thanks?
@@NikoQerry You're welcome.
I agree. The movie did the cameos right, had good jokes, and was more of a send off/love letter to the fox universe. Yes it did have some plot holes but honestly with the inconsistencies of the MCU as a whole its hard to make a movie like this super consistent. I think they did great with what they have.
My only problem with the TVA is that there are just so many entities in the MCU that are just as if not more powerful than the TVA, that they just keep retconning it
who else other than maybe wanda
@Fantomstranger The Watcher, What If Ultron etc. Yet the TVA controls what happens and how it happens?
@@tirefish true I never thought about that but I think tva stopped controlling what happens and how it happens after kang died
@@tirefish They use the prune bombs they use in Loki season 1? But wait, they stopped doing that so they’re unable to deal with these bigger threats and that’s why no one powerful has been sent to the void since the end of Loki season 1 and just let shit happen cause they can’t do anything.
@@FK74396 Before that though, there's that thing at the end of Thor Love and Thunder that granted Gorr his wish. Is it more or less powerful than the TVA? Surely it's more powerful, right? That is my problem, that the power balance just feels wrong. First it was Thanos, then it was Ultron from What If? then it was either Wanda or the thing that contains the universe inside of it. Then Kang. The constant new multiversal threat in every show or movie just feels... poorly done.
Tbh I think you could’ve done better with your counter to his criticism of the movie “disrespecting Logan’s death”
In place of that “Logan would be proud of how Deadpool used his bones” thing, I would’ve invoked Doylist vs Watsonian; saying that he’s framing an in-universe action as an out of universe criticism. Yes, Deadpool desecrating Logan’s grave is very disrespectful… in-universe, but how is that disrespectful out-universe? I think that would’ve really strengthened your argument
Wolverine from Logan and dp3 are the same wolverine but variants from different timelines. THE (LOGAN) FROM LOGAN HASNT BEEN TOUCHED. Logan from dp3 IS A VARIANT FROM A SPLIT TIMELINE NOT THE ORIGINAL just like all of the other variants in dp3. so yes technically he disrespected Logan, just not (THE LOGAN)
It's interesting me and some others in the comments section for one of your videos discussed when you would get around this, and lo and behold.
Why did Deadpool even go to Logan's grave after tva telling him Logan is dead. Like wtf was he gonna do with a dead man's remains?
Also in DP2 he says that Wolverine died in Logan so even in a meta way he already knew that
He thought Logan would have come back because he can regenerate. He wanted to be sure he was dead
@@joeiorio9654 but he already knew Logan was dead because he mentioned it in DP2’s opening
@@et4003
Colin already discussed that in the video
@@joeiorio9654 he did but not well, also paradox literally showed him Logan’s death, and so far he didn’t lie to Wade so he’s got no reason to assume he’s lying about that
2:05 I think you missed his point of why don’t the TVA just use guns instead of close range you talked about how it’s consistent with how they work in Loki but it is pretty stupid that the people who control time and multiversus use sticks instead of guns
It would be better if they used guns that could also act as the sticks and when you shoot someone you teleport them, it could have been used a joke too, “we upgraded our gear offscreen so we don’t have to be in neck snapping distance of crazy people like Deadpool”. But regardless it is still a nitpick on madvocates part
What if they missed a shot then?
@@EldenLord-wh4ov which one sounds worse, missing one shot from a gun that most likely has 5 bullets left (if they are using a type of pistol that can teleport people by shooting them) OR missing a melee attack with a close range weapon (that can teleport people by hitting them) fighting Deadpool.
What would that do against Deadpool anyway
@@drip2575 read my second comment
Wait...does he think that it would be faster somehow to eradicate an entire universe one being at a time, using the little pruning batons, than to wait three days for a machine to boot up, that will destroy it all at once? Because it really sounds like he's implying that.
Is it just me or is it that when Deadpool and Wolverine came out, people were praising the movie left and right, and now suddenly they are complaining about the movie and saying it sucks out of nowhere? I think personally it's just people complaining to complain.
or they thought about it. some of us realized it was terribly written right out of the theater
No, people are realizing that this movie is an absolute disaster when you assess the writing critically.
They’re looking past the fan service
That happens a lot. At this point, I just find it annoying.
I personally feel like we need more context of what happened with wade and Venessa before commenting on it. I don’t remember seeing anything that outright said she left him because what ever. The scene was Casanova picking thru his brain can be manipulated cuz Casandra’s manipulating his brain but I still get the code he had a mid life crisis felt like he didn’t matter and HE pushed her away cuz he felt she felt he was worthless when I fact that was just what he thought. I don’t remember seeing anything on Venessa’s side that outright stated it was all her. I personally feel wade pushed her away feeling inadequate and she kinda just went with it after so long of arguing. Idk
23:00 actually sir endgame establishes that alternate timelines and alternate universes are the same thing so…
Actuallyy.. 🤓🤓
@@markuslemerise5812 actually what?
For the record I know it’s stupid but it’s not my fault
yeah but this got retconned on accident by MoM and on purpose by Quantumania so now they are different things
@@puggietaur So the MCU is just stupidly inconsistent.
I bet they tried using guns at some point, but too many misses resulted in shite accidentally going to the void that wasn't intended.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Madvocate's videos on The Flash, but, he JUST said "Why don't the TVA have different weapons like a grenade to end a timeline and then later SHOWS A TIMELINE GRENADE BEING USED! This is why you watch things that have a continuing story BEFORE doing a review on the next part, and i you don't want to, then don't ask questions pertaining to what came before.
Are you being obtuse on purpose, or are you just naturally very slow? Madvocate's point is that the time ripper in DP&W is utterly pointless because we know the TVA has those timeline grenades which were shown in the very first scene they ever showed up in. That's why he shows a visual of those, while asking why the TVA doesn't use it in this movie. It cannot be this difficult to glean that that is what he meant if you paid any attention while watching his video.
@@SouthpawLP I think you're actually being slow. In the movie, Paradox says they're doing what they're doing without license/ off the books. The reason he's making a Time Ripper is because he clearly doesn't have any grenades as the TVA, more than likely, ended production of those and prob got rid of them after Loki S2. Even if they do still have them, Paradox has no way of getting to them without being found out and stopped.
Also, he was arguing about before he went on about the movie and he was talking about the TVA in general not just what's shown in the movie.
@@SouthpawLP Hi Soutpaw.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 Hello.
@@SouthpawLP How are you ?
My favorite critic has now responded to my 2nd and 3rd favorite critics by critiquing them and I'm not sure how to feel about it 😭
My advice would be sticking to your guns and coming up with your opinions
@@Knowthename0000 Agreed
SPIDERMAN UA-camR VS DAREDEVIL UA-camR
No, timelines ARE Universes. This isn’t DC’s Hypertime, Logan takes place in an alternate future (Earth-17315)
The MCU's multiversal bullshit terminology has become so confusing and convoluted that people are coming up with headcanons like "timelines aren't universes" to cover the inconsistencies.
@@arandomperson3840 Fr
Who tf says 'ASAP as possible?' Even beyond the bogus 'criticism,' this guy is just insufferable.
So where do we all stand on loki? I thought it was an absolutely fantastic show, and a lot of the inconsistencies in Deadpool and Wolverine can be explained by simply just watching the show.
Good first season don’t have plus currently to watch the second was it good
@simonegesualdo6636 Well, I thought it was really good. There was one character that was slightly annoying, but we did get more Rensselaer and Miss Minutes, which is a major upside, in my opinion.
@@morningstar9849 neat thanks for filling me in
@@simonegesualdo6636 Second season is good but gets retconned because kang is no longer a main villain. I would still watch it though its one of the few good ip's that marvel has dropped post endgame
Also, like I said in a call reacting to this video, it wouldn’t matter because Paradox’s plan is to not only bring Deadpool in the MCU, but destroy his universe as well. Meaning, there wouldn’t be a universe collision since it would be destroyed before an incursion happens.
I don't get the hate from loki in my opinion it's the second best Marvel show
*SPOILERS*
I thought the bit at the end where deadpool is messing arund in the window killed me, I loved it. Ik that's a small part of the movie, but that stuck with me. And the bit about him screaming at hulk "I AM MARVEL JESUS YOU DULL CREATURE" great callback
FINALLY THE ULTIMATE MATCH UP I'VE WAITED FOR EVER FOR THIS
Dude, who can take that guy seriously... he's playing fortnite.. building towers alone.. and on top of that, he is being negative for the sake of negative. Just sad man touch grass.. but hey, we got Spiderman roasting you. enough said
I must admit I still love the film and it’s not perfect but after rewatching it really is a 7.5 to 8 for me imo
Anyone else confused as to why Madvocate kept showing that clip of Deadpool dying in Thor's arms in reference to the MCU needing Deadpool at some point? People can't really believe that's the moment that TVA man (forgot his name too) was referring to.
That clip just looks like it's Deadpool replacing Loki in Thor the dark world (it's even using Thor's old design).
Well what else is there to put on screen when referring to it
@@simonegesualdo6636 I think it'd be fine if it was treated as background footage like other parts of the video. Putting a focus on it just makes people (even if it's just subconscious) think or register that clip as something to look for in the future.
I do acknowledge that I'm probably overthinking this. I just thought it was a weird thing for Madvocate to zoom in on.
@@QTRemnant fair enough I guess
It is just Deadpool taking Loki's place. that's why its so funny. and TVA man is named Paradox.
Arguing for death of the author does not function in a movie which breaks the 4th wall. If the 4th wall is broken then the meanings that the author intended are actively a part of the storyline and therefore relevant.
no, death of the author still applies. there's still no "intended" interpretation of the media we still have to follow, you can interpret different things even from the 4th wall breaking lines (and of course the rest of the contents of the movie)
@@puggietaur it's not that there is an intended way of interpreting it. It's that the authors intent must be considered in order to follow the story
3:30 I agree that TVA guy yelling during a sneak attack was stupid. Collin didn't refute that point so I assume he would agree with Madvocate here.
It's not stupid, he's channeling rage so he can hit harder and he does this when he thinks he has an advantage.
@@channel45853 cmon now, I like the movie too, but we can all agree it was dumb.
He's alerting a dangerous threat to his position when he has the upper hand and the element of surprise.
These are supposed to be time soldiers/police.
@@PJmachine If we could all agree that it was dumb, me commenting would quite the joke. If you're unwilling to humor a different interpretation, then just say so, and don't try to arrogantly appeal to me.
@@channel45853 Lol. Your interpretation also makes the dude seem dumb.
So no matter which interpretation, both are dumb choices by the solider.
No matter how you spin or justify it, giving up the element of surprise because you are "angry" is a dumb move. And that dumb move cost that guy his life.
There's no disagreeing.
@@channel45853hit harder with a stick that can prune someone from a little poke
Its almost like Madvocate and the rest of us did not watch the same movie lol
Dude, there are already enough people who are milking madvocate, we really don't need anyone else.
Who are you referring to ? I only saw a few people respond to him.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 ok, yea it was an exaggeration, but like with how many response videos this dude made, I really don't think we need any more. And he admitted himself that he wants to milk madvocate when mentioned the shang chi video.
You guys can correct me if I'm wrong here (just please be nice about it) but what's so hard to understand about the Multiverse:
-There are multiple timelines where something happened diferently to the main line of movies.
-Any dream someone has is a defferent universe
-And they revolve around 1 being the "Anchor Being". And the Anchor Being dies the world withers away.
What is so hard to understand about that?
Again if I'm wrong please correct me.
Timeliness and multiverses are the same thing as of Loki, but there was such a thing as a multiverse by the time of the first Doctor Strange movie. Timelines were also a concept by Endgame, however both cease to exist by the time of Loki... somehow. For all intents and purposes, there is no meaningful distinction made between universes and timelines, it seems like there was at some point, but now Marvel literally treats them the same way
Hey Colin just wanted to say nice job on this and everything else you do (it blows my mind how many bad criticisms of this movie there are) and i would love to see a response to the Shang chi video.
How can you even debunk a review?
You can debunk subjective opinions, if he thinks the movie is bad for those reasons then he does and that's that.
"I hate popular movie because of x, y, z"
"Erm akctually your criticism is invalid so you're debunked"
you can debunk a review when the person making it tries to make an objective statement about the quality of a film.
example : I hate this movie because it has this plot hole.
debunker : actually this isn't a plot hole for these reasons.
See what I mean ?
@@malikpierre-louis3343 Those statements he says aren't objective? They are his opinions.
@@TamakiDamoismyhusbando saying a movie has plot holes is objective criticism not subjective criticism. a subjective criticism would be saying I personally prefer Wolverine's design in Logan then in Deadpool and wolverine.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 The Movie does have plot holes and that is a criticism?
He can't,it's just him hating on somebody else's opinion basically,an opinion can't be debunked
I’m gonna assume you’re also gonna respond to Sheev talks video? Also I won’t be surprised if he does a 4 hour response to you like Sheev did which I wonder if you’ll respond to it.
Yeah that video was not good
Sure if he wants to get his ass kicked again
@@LordRevan-vi2op What do you mean "again"? That response from Sheev was garbage
Tbh the Deadpool corps was wasted and I hope they use them better in another project. It’s a really cool area of Deadpool stories and I don’t want them to be reduced to Peter joke
Loki is a great show, I'm tired of of people thinking it isn't
I knew this would be bad as soon as I saw it has Sheev's stamp of approval
Tbh it was fair criticism, didnt agree with some of what he daid but he had a fair point with the continuity arguments. It hurt to watch it because im a fan of the movie but it was pretty fair regardless. The movie's good imo though
Loki does not suck, it’s some of the best MCU stuff ever
Nope it sucks
@@wingsoffreedom3589it’s aight
@@gamingmoyai3950"Alright"? fuck no it's great
@@MartinMiller-MM I mean, it’s not my type of thing at all, it being alright to me is it being outstanding to people who like shows like that. Anyway, I’d still give it 9/10.
S2 wasn’t as good but S1 was really damn good
A timeline dying because of an anchor brings death, and Cassandra wiping out the entire multiverse with the time ripper don’t work because Loki’s currently holding all timelines together
19:44 that argument doesn’t work because in DP2 he already knew that Logan died in Logan, so there’s no reason for him to go to his burial site to see if he’s somehow alive. The movies are very inconsistent with whether or not the meta shit is just a joke or an actual ability he has
20:08 he could’ve done his “pretending to be dumber than he is” bit and tested out how the pruning sticks and tempad worked before hand, he’s smart enough to know that he should be wary of a secret organization that controls time
@et4003 the entire point of him going to the burial sight is because he thinks that wolverines healing factor is strong enough to survive that which in most cases he would. Deadpool later on states that "Well the doctors say you were chest f**ked by a tree but really you ran out of gas" I don't understand why people are just glossing over that
@ which again is dumb because HE ALREADY KNEW LOGAN DIED IN DP2
Madvocate is the nitpicking master
I really dont get why making so much effort to defend this movie. I get that probably the video from madvovate is for the most part just nitpicking, but even if you use the “it’s a deadpool movie, it’s not supposed to make sense” excuse, the movie would still being bad. The cinematography would still be bad, the production design would still be awful, the cgi would still be mid etc. it’s no like you’re defending citizen Kane from the rosebud plot hole
How dare Barry Allen appeal to people's humanity. How dare Barry be a forgiving person? He should just punch everybody fast cause he fastman and that's all he does.
I get that it's cool to crap on the CW, but what it does with The Flash is what people are starting to praise with things like how Batman The Animated Series did with Batman.
Actually watch his Flash videos then talk.
@@ArishemTheJudge-19 Instead of that, I'll just analyze the words that come from his mouth.
To be fair him doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity and gets pretty annoying “Man I tried to reason with this guy like a million times and he keeps kicking my butt, maybe one more time should do it” some villains just can’t be redeemed, you don’t see Spider-man try to redeem Carnage or Superman trying to redeem Doomsday or Darkseid.
@@channel45853 Alright man, whatever makes you happy.
@@channel45853if you were to do that, you would know that madvocate states numerous times that flash can just use the meta dampening cuffs without anyone batting an eye. He can easily have a conversation with these people while making sure no one gets hurt. What did you analyze exactly?
If they view time from the outside shouldn’t there universe have always been dying because Logan has always been dead from there pov meaning the universe starting to die is just kind random and stupid
50:16 Also this is kinda the closing aspect of what I think bothers me so much about this. It feels like the "lol random humor" really has superceded the at least solid writing of the first two movies. I will admit nothing in this movie is conceptually awful but execution wise it falls so flat and unfortunately that flat writing is what a lot of people are gonna associate with Deadpool now. When Avengers: Cameo Wars inveitably happens people will probably ask why isn't Deadpool a main member and why isn't he cracking fourth wall breaking jokes every 3 miliseconds that pertain to actors, Hollywood, or stretched out Disney related bits.
Which honestly if I hadn't made it clear by the tone of that last sentence, that kinda sucks. It's like one of the things I find annoying about certain writers who handle Deadpool in the comics as crazy as it is to say about a CBM character not needing to be 100% accurate. That's the one distinction I would have wanted to stay.
Honestly I think all 3 Deadpool movies have the problem of not really understanding Deadpool well: the sad clown stuff, him being a really shitty person that’s trying to be good, and even basic stuff like being a mercenary are all either toned down or executed poorly. The humor is also a big issue because it feels more like Ryan Reynolds than Deadpool
Only thing i agree with is the anchor being. Makes no sense. How can one character be tied to the survival of an entire universe? The MCU is is putting a rule into the Marvel Multiverse that was never there and it doesnt work. It's easy to understand the concept yes, but that doesn't mean it makes any sense.
☝️🤓 Actually in the comics anchor beings do make sense because they are all one person who exists in every other universe all with one mind that being the molecule man who is one of the strongest beings in the marvel comics, it makes sense for like a galactus level threat to be an anchor being
@@ineedit1772 NERD!!! In all seriousness the only "anchor" being ive heard of is Superman cause in DC you cant erase him from existence otherwise you disrupt the fabric of the multiverse. Which makes sense since he was like the first DC anything.
@@ineedit1772 Except fucking Logan of all people is not a Galactus level being, he just has a powerful healing factor. Plus the Beyonders created MM specifically for the purpose of creating Incurseans, which are another concept butchered by the MCU. I'm sure they're setting up Battle World, but if so then they're doing a piss-poor job of it
Personally I prefer anchor beings to cannon events
Cannon events affect the story and until disproven I genuinely hate them I personally love what ifs so the idea that any Spiderman who goes against them will have their entire world erased
Meanwhile anchor beings are based on a marketing perspective (like when the original ultimates comics were dying off after peter died ) and if something cool happens can be passed to someone new (what I assumed happend at the end of wolverine and deadpool).
Anchor beings even function in todays comics e.g. the ultimates line starting again where Spiderman is sold the best and Peter in 616 is still high up in sales (eventhough 616 peter isn't good )
Ancor beings is such a smart idea whilst cannon events is pattern recognition and then almost forcing it into something that must happen
Anchor beings make people think who is the biggest character in this while cannon events may even affect future writers and force them to write certain things
TLDR:
One big film forces writers and stories into a corner
Meanwhile another story tries to tell people one character shouldn't be the glue for an entire universe
I hope this was understandable (yes I realise this is a mostly unrelated rambleing session)
I never liked canon events, and I think that's the point.
I wonder why people don't like loki. Imo it's one of if not the best mcu show ever. Someone enlighten me.
treats a character people like as a prop for a random new character's story instead of an actual main character, speedruns character development in like 10 minutes by showing the character that has to develop a montage of a life he could have lived instead of naturally letting him develop throughout the story, amd that's just what I remembered from 2021 when i actually watched loki s1. I remember the score being phenomenal tho
@@wywrd_mtnt ok the first part, i don't fully understand because loki IS the main character. The other likeable character could be mobius but I feel like they focus on their relationship more which i like. Then there's the development, they showed him his life and how it was meant to be, i don't think that messed with his character much at all. Throughout the series you can see him change gradually, especially s1 where even 4 episodes in, he still has these "evil" tendencies and plans. Loki changes most in the show when he meets sylvie and learns to care about someone other than himself because he empathises with her. Imo i appreciated how they handled each character because they were all fleshed out.
@@DuelerMinecraft i mean yeah sure I just said why someone might've had issues with the show, as a big loki fan that had a ton of issues with the show. i felt like they fucked up his characterisation since that was basically avengers 1 loki and didn’t let him grow on his own at all, and also didn't address that the guy was clearly acting under some duress from thanos during the avengers. just straight up making him into present day avengers infinity war loki with a 10 minutes montage. to me, the opportunities they missed were detrimental to the character and so made the show incredibly shallow and unenjoyable, and the moment they introduce sylvie the show starts acting like she's the mc. all my criticism is based in s1 cause that season genuinely made me disconnect from anything marvel, going from someone that was tuned into every release to someone that won't even watch a new installment unless i hear spoilers to see if they handle the characters well (they rarely do these days)
@@wywrd_mtnt what nooo I've never thought of Sylvie as the mc. BUT I do agree, the development loki had over the course of the mcu was condensed into a few episodes so i get that. I just feel like him changing quickly could be more realistic because Loki had been introduced to a whole different league of power, he was humbled so quick and maybe that's why he submitted much quicker. But I don't think they ruined Loki's character imo it added more to him in many different ways.
i dont really understand the argument of "if _____ acted like this in _____ it should act like this in this movie" argument, like should we just ignore everything established before??? its like watching civil war then in the next movie cap and tony are friends because its "better for the plot" of the next movie
In my opinion this movie was the best MCU movie in recent years
I feel like this guys don’t even really watch these movies, or at least, they watch it one time while barely paying attention and then start recording a video. They miss a lot and get so easily confused by things that are explained or inferred.
The “[Insert Title Here] [Did something bad to me]” template is getting old
To you
@@christianvondruska8244
Yes Kronk. Thats what an opinion is.
@@joeiorio9654 You did not bring up opinions you midwit, you made a generalized statement
Pls respond to Madvocate's Shang-Chi video + W video btw Colin.
I feel like a lot of this video was Madvocate asking legitimate questions about the bizarre logic of this universe and Colin replying with “They say that’s just how it works, and if they don’t, you can just assume that’s how it works.” Best example is when they talked about anchor beings and new Logan living in the Fox universe.
Madvocate: “If the death of an anchor being means the end of their universe, then what kept the universe stable before they were born?”
Colin: “It’s probably the universe working on bringing them into existence.”
Madvocate: “What about incursions? Shouldn’t bringing Logan here risk destroying both universes?”
Colin: “TVA Lady said it works.”
I get both sides because a lot of it is trying to understand the inner works of a universe thats rules are poorly designed but I lean more on Madvocate’s side here because of one simple reason. If I’m trying to immerse myself in a universe and rules establish starts getting hazy and makes me question things, it distracts me and takes me out of it. I shouldn’t have to ask questions about the logic of a universe nor should I have to turn my brain off and accept the movie gaslight me into not asking question. A good story will have understandable rules that have logical coherence to where I can follow along without a spreadsheet or someone in universe telling me “That’s just how it works.” Avatar The Last Airbender was a great show because while it dealt with absurd magic, everything made enough logical sense to where we didn’t need either of that. Why can people bend? Because this universe, energy flows through everything, connecting people to the elements that make life. Why do civilizations have unanimous bending types? Because bending is an art passed through generations and it’s reasonable to conclude given the wealth of evidence that bending has a genetic element to it. Why does the Avatar exist? Because as energy flows through the universe and is used by people, an anchor to both the energy of the universe and those who use it came into existence to keep the balance of the universe from falling into chaos. All of it makes enough coherent sense to where you don’t need to theorize on everything or have someone tell you “it just works”. Colin, love ya man but this video just ain’t it man. You’re starting to become a bit if an anti-critic and excusing logical incoherence by either doing the writing for the author or turning your brain off and accepting whatever the story tells you. If people follow your example and not demand better logical coherence in our stories, you can kiss worlds like ATLA goodbye because nobody is going to care about fleshing these worlds out and making them feel as real as they can be. We’re just gunna be getting fever dreams of stories where characters, plot and events happen in a world that’s nothing more than set-dressing. C’mon man, world building is as important to a good story as is character and plot. If any of the three starts falling apart, it breaks immersion and tarnishes the story because it’s really hard to enjoy a story when you can’t immerse yourself in it.
(Btw, fuck off, Korra not cannon🖕)
(Btw, Korra isn’t relevant. I don’t care what anyone says, it doesn’t follow the universal rules of AVTLA which is the show I’m talking about.)
Yeah I ain't reading all that. But I agree, they shouldve definitely made the rules more consistent. It allows you to understand the universe better, which is fun when the rules dont change ever 5 mins in the same universe. It's like in the wire, you learn "they dont keep guns in the stash houses" it makes the scenes where omar knows this and does what he does so much better
thank you! like this guy is acting like the mcu hasn't existed for more than a decade and you're not allowed to ask questions about the "new rules" of the worldbuilding when they're stupid. like newsflash, anchor beings are stupid and they do in fact fuck with the concept of free will and also get rid of a ton of stakes. also wouldn't the mcu's anchor being be either tony stark or steve rogers? how is that timeline still going then? but noooo if you criticise the most recent marvel slop you're doing it in bad faith and you're nitpicking instead of just someone who wants the worldbuilding to make an ounce of sense from installment to installment
Im just gonna say, i think anchor beings are beings that cause their timeline to branch. As long as they exist their timeline exists. It would explain why the TVA takes the being that causes the branch into custody to prune them separate rather than just let them get pruned with the rest of their universes.
Though I have a guilty pleasure for Madvocate's nitpicky type "reviews", it's an exercise in just that - nitpicking.
You could probably do that with any movie ever which kinda misses the point of a good story. Which is entertainment and engagement, despite logical problems.
The perfect logically consistent movie would probably be boring as hell.
Except the movie Primer - which I hear is an example of an entertaining movie with no holes
you don’t even know what nitpick means☠️
@@pheas Okay☠️
@@themutupoguy just ignore this guy, he’s a Madvocate fanboy
@@pheas what was the point of this comment?
@@ineedit1772to show everyone how stupid he is, he’s doing the same thing on my comment
Colin 🤝 Th3birdman = trashing Madvocate
Nah, theBirdman is also an idiot.
Loki was a good show, and Deadpool 3 was a great/hilarious movie
Madvocate. What an organization
35:05 maybe the universe just pops into existence
I think madvocate should stick to judging flash projects only😭💀
“If I speak in a monotone voice, it makes me sound disinterested and therefore, intelligent.”
Yeah, that's annoying me most about this Madvocate channel.
“and not like a pretentious a-hole who thinks they know how to write stories better than story writers”
This is how Madvocate normally speaks.
@@SouthpawLPLegit. What’s actually funny is Collin resorts to hiding context for points Madvocate raises that he finds inconvenient and that he’s relying far too much on his own interpretation of things. Really feels like a reactionary video because the points raised are 90% already countered/unimportant.
@@channel45853 You do know this is his natural voice right ?
No seriously listen to him podcasts this is how his voice sounds.
Ah. Sadvocate strikes again.
It’s not nitpicking madvocate criticism are valid like it’s ok to love a bad movie, i love this movie to but I cannot defend it
mans for real said “asap as possible”
Love how the guy somehow thinks being able to see the end of the universe means that in the universe of the story it's been written out already and not that they can just see the culmination of choices that leads to that history they can see from the TVA
My goat with the 50 minutes of explaining bad takes!
Ngl i think laura of all people should have been shown or told how she ended up there
People are thinking that paradox is supposed to be this "evil genius" but thats not what he is, he's an idiot who makes stupid decisions and loses because of that
Then Deadpool should’ve realized that and threatened to kill him and his tva crew if he didn’t shut off the time ripper, which would be in character and force Paradox to think smarter about how to deal with things
1:45 bro are you mental? Or a troll? Never mind marvel writers not always staying consistent with lore. Just because a character said something, or doesn’t do something logical. Doesn’t make it good or invalid to question it. You shot yourself in the leg too by saying the Loki show never did explain why they don’t use guns or anything else. That’s already a writing flaw. Following flawed logic doesn’t make it good or justified. Especially since this tva is off the grid. Doing their own thing. More of the reason to question why they haven’t started using different tech and weapons. The fact still remains which you didn’t address or anything. The star lord example. He had tech that made multiple people stay in one place. The tva could steal that tech or make their own. Which would make their job a lot easier. It’s why the army is always nerfed in zombies stuff for example. They’re too overpowered. They would win thanks to their training and resources. So you gotta down play them to use medieval logic. Like the tva using melee weapons than anything else. It’s not even permanent established lore. It’s a writing flaw or feat that can be updated
Also, this time ripper erases the timeline from existence, while the pruning grenades relocated the stuff. That’s where Alieth was, and he who remains. The end of the timeline.
Both of yall are bugging on loki, thats like the one marvel show excluding xmen 97 in recent memory that I didn't leave feeling at all disappointed. Wanda vision got close to being there too but the last couple episodes sold it a bit
Even if they couldn't make guns, it wouldn't be a stretch to implement the tva sticks into a crossbow.
If they are only activated by touching a button, then maybe not. I guess they could make a way to have it touch the bottom with a mechanism.
If they can't make pruning guns then they should at least have normal guns/energy blasters. The fight would be much easier if they just blew DP's legs and arms off and then pruned him. They have fucking infinity stones lying around everywhere so surely they can get the most advanced and powerful guns in the universe and make them standard issue.
Doesn’t the TVA exist outside of time? Aren’t they constantly living in the past, present, and future?
22:03 every universe anchor being would eventually die somewhere down the timeline so why wouldn’t every universe already start decaying if the time was irrelevant
Hey woah woah woah there bucko Madvocate is a goat
I am not gonna say anything, just gonna save my arguments for when the upcoming disagreement stream comes
11:07 Heh EFAT
Also I would like to point out (That SK also point out) Madvocate and Efap said that the time grenade active instantly which it doesn't. The time grenade isn't like a nuke that instantly activates with a push of a button. Is more like a zombie decay that once active slowly destroyed everything within a certain amount of time. *I'm being way too passionate about a fictional weapon that no one cares about anymore*
so you're not allowed to argue with the logic of a cinematic universe at large, but also you're not allowed to argue with the internal logic consistency of a story. got it! Im not overly nitpicky myself but even i got a sense of "this movie makes no sense if you think about it for more than 2 seconds" from this movie. nobody is saying you shouldn't like it, but also I'm pretty sure criticising things from a logical standpoint (as opposed to doing it from a "screaming about how everything is woke and bad" standpoint) is not as bad as y'all make it out to be. madvocate made some points, and just saying "thats just how the story works" is not the rebuttal you think it is ngl. it's okay to admit when the writing is bad, you can still enjoy it but that doesn't make it logical or good