Debunking THE WORST Spider-Man PS4 Review
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- A Debunking Response To: "Marvel's Spider-Man PS4 - Where Storytelling Crumbles" from S.K.
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PT 2 was never an option. PT 2 is an absolute point dawg
I just watched your video & I agree with you. That clown was doing nothing, but nitpicking. He seriosuly calls himself a critic? I swear what a joke, all of his critism are so dumb. He clearly don't know shit about Spider-Man.
Remember objective and constructive criticism is good
But with SK his criticism is unwarranted
So you criticizing him is constructive
Excellently done my friend
Ps if you want make a part 2 that’s fine if you do or don’t I don’t mind I think you did well enough to get the message across to anyone with a decent amount of intelligence that would admit if they are wrong or at least understand
But I will let you know SK did see it and apparently because you didn’t cover all his points yet he isn’t even going to take your video seriously because he thinks your bias
Even thou I’m sure he didn’t even watch your video to the fullest extent
Hey man, I think your videos are really good. I really want to start making my own but don’t know how to. What video editor do you use and how do you make your videos??
CinemaSins has done irreparable damage to discussions about any form of media, and it makes it so exhausting to try and find legitimate discussions online
Amen. They're a big reason why the whole "cynical movie reviewer" genre on youtube cropped up.
@@truedarkness4052nd they were being sarcastic about movies they actually liked I think.
CinemaSins is openly and blatantly satire. Very few people take it seriously.
@@zanyraccoon6361 they're schrodinger's critic. When they're "correct," they're meant to be taken seriously as legitimate film critics, but when they're wrong (which can range from them clearly not paying attention to the movie they're sinning to... not understanding how things work at all) then they're suddenly meant to be taken as parody.
@@faultyvideos2215They also lie and manipulate certain scenes just for "sins"
Fun fact: Fisk wasnt actually basically runing the city for just eight years, those eight years are only the years that peter was spider-man while wilson fisk was in power, so fisk was likely around for much longer
it's also possible/might be interesting if one of Pete's early hits as spidey was taking down the previous big man and Fisk filled the vacuum back before Peter was aware of the big behind the scenes workings in NYC and so they both popped up around the same time.
that's dangerously close to headcanon but would be neat
You mean he took out fisks competition?@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868
in 616 fisk only took control after spider-man quit in issue #50, in the markstone spider-man no more storyline
Yes because when Yuri told pete who Jeff Davis was she said that Jeff has been working the case for years
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Interesting theory maybe it was silver Maine 🤔
Guy out here critizing a story for having flawed characters like that is LITERALLY one of the most important things in writing.
Having characters with flaws and let them make mistakes and overcoming these flaws is necessary for good writing
Right
1:11:05 I am a security guard, and I can definitely confirm that if I heard something just start beeping, I would take a look at it, and then call it in while I am staring at it to make a good description for my DAR, supervisor, and/or potential incident report. I would not immediately conclude: "Oh this is a lure, I am being tricked!" I would think: "What the heck is that? Did something of ours just break or is at low batteries?" Once I saw it I would think: "Was this always here? I should probably ask my supervisor if this thing is important or not. I don't want to be responsible if something breaks."
Because in my mind, what idiot would be dumb enough to try and sneak into a heavily armed and guarded military base? The thought that someone is sneaking around would be one of the last thoughts in my mind. Though, because I don't wear a helmet, I'd probably hear if someone was sneaking around behind me, and I would definitely look around after I reported it just to be sure. But honestly, yeah, it is kinda possible for MJ to have snuck in like that.
There a difference between a security guard and a member of an elite private military
@@ccscrew7728the point of this guys comment is to point out that when something is heavily guarded regardless of what it is, if you don’t have absolute knowledge that a certain person or persons is trying to get into or moving around a certain area, it just isn’t the first thought.
Why would you or anyone think a reporter would be dumb enough to do something that dangerous.
@@ccscrew7728how did you miss the point of that borderline essay😂
@ccscrew7728
Whoa! It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s actually the point going right over your head.
@@AlonzoTompkinslol
To add on to the “Spider-Man hitting people should kill them” thing, Spider-Man is known to hold back a lot in his attacks cause he knows a full strength punch will kill a man.
* Gently tosses Sewer lid at normal thug *
@@anonymousapproximation8549 yea. Cause he knows they can take that shit.
It would break bone but probably not kill.
Probably...
@@VergilXChairHis punches can kill ordinary human and even villains. If ordinary human tried to hit him he would break his arm that's why Spider-Man dodges all the time while the thugs try to hit him.
@@VergilXChairIn superior Spider-Man Doc Oc takes over peters body and punches full force on scorpion and knocked his jaw clean off
This guy expects everyone in a story to be perfectly efficient, serious, silent and unfeeling zombies. Imagine a story with literally no conflict or humanity.
Those are the types of people that I hate. The ones that whine "wHY dIdnT x dO *insert bullshit claim* InsTeaD oF wHat tHEy DiD?!" and completely ignore that 1. People can be irrational in stressful situations, 2. Not everyone will do what you "would've" done that situation, and 3. YOU HAVE HINDSIGHT!!! These people need to realize that fictional are not going to behave perfectly nor going to do what they personally want them to. This is why I rarely listen to people who say "x is badly written" , because they take the piss out of their mistakes and insist they should behave perfectly at all times, despite the fact that would be boring to watch.
P.S. sorry if this comment kinda long, this type of bs pisses me off to a great extent
Sooooooooooo X-Men: The Last Stand?
He is clearly a delusional fool with zero sense of empathy and zero social skills who lives in his Mom’s basement and never comes out until he needs to reload on Hot Pockets and Ring Dings and honestly believes he is flawless and perfect and never does or makes the wrong decisions EVER! And if he ever wakes up to reality he will most assuredly end his own life.
This the type of dude who only becomes friends with a girl because he wants her then gets mad that he’s in the friend zone
@terminalfeeting If you hate them, then they're your better. Because they don't hate you, they hate bad writing. So venting like that about people you don't know personally is a bad thing on you and sure most people don't know what to do during stressful and sometimes life threatening situations but we all have a fight or flight response that bad writing likes to forget exists, and only bad writing brings people together that honestly shouldn't. So don't fault people for demanding better of their favorite art. They're fans after all and are entitled to their opinion. Just like you are yours, good sir.
I love how he calls mj a insufferable child meanwhile he's insufferable and childish in the whole video 💀
Knowing him from before, that’s him in a nutshell
Hes a terminally online bozo who's too scared to debate anyone if he isn't surrounded by his butt buddies
And he says it about probably the best version of MJ we have (apart from comics maybe, idk, I don't really read comics)
MJ was insufferable
Mj is insufferable
Imagine playing a Spider-Man game and complaining that Spider-Man is acting like Spider-Man
Yeah
What is truly hilarious is that SK complained about the Kingpin being able to survive Spider-Man’s attacks, and loves to use Raimi’s movies as a point of reference, but just forgot that in Spiderman 2, Doc Ock is just a normal man with mechanical tentacles, and gets beat up and thrown around A LOT. Again he’s a normal human. Shouldn’t he be dead after his first fight at the bank with Spider-Man, according to SK’s logic?
Edit: just to continue to point out SK’s utter ignorance and hypocrisy, at 1:12:47 in regards to Colin talk in about Miles, in SK’s rebuttal video, he says that he’s willing to look pass Miles’ mistakes in the game due to his inexperience, because he is fresh as a superhero. But when you watch his spectacular Spider-Man video, he literally criticizes Peter for not being able to do things, but ignores the fact that he is six months in as Spider-Man, and is 16 YEARS OLD. Like damn, nobody can make any mistake in any story or its character assassination.
SK has said this was a problem before
@@Sleepy-qr9ilin which video? He has so many videos shitting on Spider-Man it’s hard to know.
@@Sleepy-qr9ilwhich video buddy?
This not only goes to show how some of SK's arguments debunk themselves but he doesn't know anything about this little thing called fiction and how in fiction things aren't the same as things in real life.
@@_Mikeebeed_he said in his spectacular spiderman video
That “don’t stop to talk” thing is a clear reference to Madvocate and his videos talking about the Flash TV show. A running theme (Haha) in those videos is that he’s tired of Flash stopping to an obviously dangerous criminal and talks to them.
The clear difference is that Flash moves faster than the speed of sound and can beat up super villains before they can get a word in, making Flash’s defeats all the more weird. With Spider-Man, he’s nowhere near as fast so him stopping and mocking Shocker was just so Shocker can get frustrated and make more mistakes so Spider-Man can beat him faster.
He doesn’t really get why the Madvocate joke works because Flash has no actual reason to stop and talk to someone like Mr Freeze of all people then gets defeated by him. He just uses it to sound like he has a point?
Exactly, another part S.K. misunderstands from Madvocate's criticisms is that he doesn't complain about everything being "unrealistic", or looks for every particle to find irrelevant mistakes like S.K
He only uses logic and points out inconsistencies that contradicts established rules in the story, like in his CW Flash, Shang-Chi and Wandavision's videos
Honestly id say that Flash trying to talk it out makes sense BECAUSE he can beat them up before they can say a word
@@Sarah12471The only issue with it in the first place is that CW flash almost never takes advantage at all. Even when the antagonists are charging up, setting up attacks, aiming at entirely different people he seems to slow down to a turtle's pace when his original speed would be fine and it suddenly becomes a major problem
@@Sarah12471 The problem is that he doesn't insta-ko them when they don't do as he says, in fact people died because he failed to do so multiple times.
@@MetalHopper yea that is where the problem lies
People are allowed to make mistakes, the whole plot of NWH wouldn’t have happened if Peter never made a mistake
Edit: I’m not saying it was entirely Peter’s fault, obviously Strange is to blame as well, I was just using Peter as an example
The difference is that peter didn't even ask for how the spell was gonna work or what were the terms of it
@@Hollowmello1285 from what I remember I'm pretty sure he did because Peter kept interrupting Dr.Strange's spell thinking of who he didn't want to forget he is spiderman.
Peter was getting help from Dr.Strange to cast a spell so everyone in the city forgot his identity as spiderman
@@trueaura369 yeah when they were doing it not before
@@trueaura369Peter didn’t know the effects of the spell beforehand. He only knew about as the spell was being casted, that’s why they kept changing the spell. So yeah, Peter just didn’t bother asking what it does
No way home plot relies on strange being an idiot
On the "why's he trying to kill spiderman instead of run" thing its stated in one of the MJ segments later that Fisk has nearly beaten him to death on multiple occasions. This is actually the first time this spiderman has won a direct confrontation with Fisk in this setting.
Plus one of the backpacks that you find in the game has brass knuckles in them that Peter explains Fisk used to beat him up. So clearly he’s at least strong enough to go toe to toe with Spidey
@@guldmattbb473 It also shows that this Spiderman is a veteran that his first story mission has him beating what was his primary villain in Fisk, that and the fact that hes faced almost his entire primary rogues gallery prior to this.
Just the museum part alone has her look at a sword and say "oh yeah, I remember that Fisk apparently used this sword to almost kill Peter and that he was a bloody mess after that fight"
Hell, I know this is kinda cheating, but we see in the tie-in comics for this game a handful of flashbacks of when Peter and Mary Jane broke up and in them, Peter was a bloody mess
I'm curious as to how in-universe logic explains how Fisk becomes as strong as he is. PS Spider-Man. Spider-Verse. He's built like a building and hits like a city block.
How does he become this strong?
@@concept5631he's just built different clearly
I have watched the whole video, and it was excellent. Ignore the fact that it has only been out for seven minutes.
lmao
😂😂😂😂😂
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Retrospective watching speedrun
@@gamursnek mans was watching this in flash time lol
What really annoys me about the "that hit would kill someone" shit is that spider-man canonically holds back. He CAN kill with a single punch, but he intentionally DOESNT. In the superior spider-man, otto, in pete's body, PUNCHES SCORPIONS JAW OFF, unintentionally since he didn't know how strong peter really was. Spider-man would never put his full strength onto kingpin, or some random goons.
more horrifying is ock was attempting to hold back there but even so he still used to much strenght
@@lunararmy1624
It was vulture, and Otto Parker wasn't holding back because he got enraged at Vulture's use of children in that specific scheme.
otto blinded vulture, it was definitely scorpion who got his jaw punched off@@J-manli
In a Civil War What-If comic where MJ dies instead of Aunt May, Peter just straight up brutalises Kingpin. It was over in, like, 10 seconds. He just killed him so fast that it makes a point that he could have done this ANY TIME HE WANTED.
That’ll hurt
“The greatest problem with insomniac Spider-Man is that he follows Uncle Ben’s teachings and takes his own failures personally.” That is Peter in almost every universe. That is the character. To subtract that would be turning him into a Golden Age comic character.
Im so glad this video exists, I remember watching about 40 minutes of the original video a few months back and getting angry about how bad his claims were. Its one thing to not like things but another to strait up lie to justify why he doesnt enjoy it
Some of his points are good though, and the fact that you didn't watch through it shows me you don't like criticism. I like the game but i very much agreed with him cause he makes good points, especially the experiment video, god that's an awful plot point
@@mateuszmateuszowydid he really have 2hrs of good criticism tho? All the good points he had, I've heard in shorter better videos
@@mateuszmateuszowylistening to 2 hrs of nonsense is justified because he has "a few" good points? Anyone can have a few good takes, doesn't exactly mean he's good at criticising shit. If Im watching a review, and it's glaringly obvious the person is mostly nitpicking and/or misinterpreting information to serve a non existent argument, why tf would I bother watching the whole thing? How does that imply that THAT person "hates criticism"?
@@kugeki6564 That is actually itself a good point, i do agree that some if not most of his points are nitpicks, the video should've been 40 minutes long, but it isn't...
@@lm_slayer1 To me you can't really fully criticise the video while not watching the full thing because you couldn't be bothered to
one of the themes i see with horrible internet takes seems to be pretty consistent:
character flaws get VERY OFTEN mistaken for writing flaws. it makes a lot of youtubers absolutely abhorrent at their job of unpacking objective facts of the story compared to character personalities and decisions.
Exactly. This UA-cam “critics” can’t decipher the difference or understand that characters need flaws to be relatable
This just my conjecture, but in my own experience, people who overly criticize character flaws tend to also lack empathy. Their knee-jerk reaction of saying how "stupid" a character is for making a mistake comes of as a limited ability to be in the character's shoes.
@@J-manliI swear that people who hyper analyze super heroes focus on them being perfect heroes. But the major them with Spider-Man is he is human, a human with power sure but he has the great responsibility even at personal detriment. The odds are never in his favor and he’s gonna stumble but he’ll get back up
This happens because these idiots think critique is bashing the thing instead of analyzing in good faith.
Not just a UA-camr thing. A lot of people seem eager to cry "bad writing" or "plot hole" or "plot armor" so they can feel smug.
The guy critiquing the game's story clearly watched a Madvocate Flash video and wanted to do the same thing, he just chose a story that's actually good.
yep💀
He's even trying to sound like him too lol. Same energy and everything
@@stayblessed2it's sad because Spider-Mans story is a decent 7/10 imo (including every introduction to side quests) if it was a game with an actual bad story it wouldn't get hate.
It was average. At BEST.
@@sojournertaylor6897 it's definitely above average , but having a the name of the most popular superhero helps a ton
We need a part 2. It might really tax your mental health, but this is way too entertaining. I appreciate you taking the bullet for us, soldier
I can confirm it is entertaining
I want to see this dude destroy this video. His criticisms of the game are hilarious XD
It’s fun this guy review get destroyed by you, so many time nitpicking and contradict himself.
Jesus Christ and I may think he didn’t play the game and just went to watch the cutscenes or gameplay on UA-cam and same for the comics, probably he didn’t read them
@@TheDestroyerX My mother does not read comics at all and she would never reduce herself to a soulless bitch
Reply 5
Fun Fact: In the prequel book to this game called "Hostile Takeover", at one point in the story, Peter's scoping out an event that he believes is going to be attacked by Kingpin's men, it's really a trap to make Spider-man look bad (from what I can remember), and Peter jumps in because he was worried for MJ's safety. Nothing bad happened because nothing bad was going to happen, but Peter charged in and screwed things up because he prioritized MJ above everyone else. This is what leads to their break-up in the story and is almost exactly what happens with Standish in the game
Also, Dude criticized Spider-man for "pulling a CW Flash" then demanded he pull a CW Flash by having Peter appeal to Shocker's humanity. Peter's been dealing with Shocker for 8 years, he knows what would work and what wouldn't work, and pointing out the casualties (that never happen because nobody brings it up, not even Jameson when he's ranting about Spider-man. He only brings up the destruction of the chase, not any casualties).
He also seems to believe everyone can just pull anything out of their ass.
"Fisk should send in a bunch of guards to fight Spider-man because they're clearly all just waiting around in his office. It's not like Spider-man just took down all the guards between the entrance to the building and Fisk's office"
"Martin Li should just break all the supervillains out of the Raft on his own b corrupting everyone, it's not like it's been shown that using his powers drains him of energy (especially since he's shared his powers with others and re-absorbs them when he needs an extra boost)"
And with the FFH comparison of Peter "trying to weasel out" of a problem, the difference in FFH is that Peter doesn't believe he's up for the task. He's still dealing with the emotional backlash of Infinity War and Endgame and just wants a break, but still steps up in the end when he has to. He's 16 and allowed to have the flaw of not feeling good enough for a task
Isnt that still not Peter's fault cause Kingpin tricked him? He didn't know nothing wss going to happen, he thought that something was so he jumped in.
And it makes sense that Peter is overprotective considering all the people he's lost so its still not a justfiable reason to just dump him if he only cares about her safety.
I mean in this same prequel novel if I remember correctly Kingpin BLOWS UP a building where Peter's female coworker was at and kills her. Its not like Kingpin is someone he should ever give the benefit of the doubt too
@@no.1spidey-fan182 The bottom line is that Peter fell for the trap because he prioritized MJ. It’s an understandable mistake, but it was the straw that broke the camels back for Peter’s and MJ’s relationship. Throughout the entire story, Peter’s been protective of MJ, telling her not to pursue anything related to Kingpin. While he is understandably right to tell her not to write anything about him because it puts a target on her back, we also have the context of MJ feeling insecure about not being able to help. Both are in the right in their own ways, it’s the miscommunication and certain actions that led to the relationship falling apart.
And if I remember correctly, Kingpin didn’t order the restaurant to be blown up, that was the guy pretending to be Spider-man going AWOL (as shown throughout the story) because his mental problems led him to truly believe he was the real Spider-man and his life was stolen by an imposter
@@moviehermit5631 MJ is not in the right in any way in this situation.
@@moviehermit5631He just really really doesn't want a Gwen Stacy moment XD
What is the full form of FFH?
I seriously feel like this guy woke up and was like “how can i be different today” because theres no way. Theres actually no way someone can be THIS dense. Theres no way someone can see the best modern spiderman story and pick it apart this stupidly .
No he definitely did it so the video gets engagement and therefore equals money
Worse even, he is a madvokate wanna be
Renew Your Vows is the best modern spiderman. Not this😂. This Peter is missing too much of his OG characteristics to be considered the best
It’s definitely not the best. It’s a great story and game. Saying it’s the best Is hilariously wrong tho
@@Saint0999 nah this is the best modern spiderman that isnt on the pages of a comic book
Mistakes and incorrect descisions are litterally what makes us human. Flaws in us are supposed to be learned from so we can improve and become better overtime. This is litterally what MJ is going through in this game. She may not be correct every time, she may make stupid mistakes, and she may be too overconfident, but that is a realistic character flaw for her to explore and develop from to improve and become a better person. So I don't know why the hell this man talks down on her this much but it simply makes no sense. This is honestly my favorite version of MJ because it reminds me of *my* flaws which is the purpose of a character. She's honestly well written in this game me personally.
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Yh and theres a way to writer flawed characters aka Renew Your Vows MJ and a way to mess up that sentiment almost completely aka the inconsistency of Isomniac MJ
MJ is one of the best nonpowered fictional characters ever written because she seems to have BOUNDLESS COMPASSION, which matches thay of a superhero. Its the MAIN thing she and Peter bond on because they're very different on the surface level
Hence why she goes out ro save people EVERY time she gets spider powers
MJ has ALWAYS been flawed. Insomniac just made her ANNOYING because her reasons made no sense and her apologies fall flat when she repeats the behavior
This isn’t how the game treats MJ’s nonexistent arc you’ve conjured up in your own head cannon. Just because people make mistakes doesn’t mean they’re completely devoid of morals. Insomniac’s Mary Jane is an absolutely reprehensible individual. She risked the entire planet to a contagious disease because of ego.
@@SoyboyPeter @no.1spidey-fan182 SK will fall. And I will be there to laugh in his disgrace. And see the two of you and SK in coffins underground.
@@SoyboyPeter Nobody is conjuring head canon I literally adressed the MJ points using the games writing and dialogue and common sense lmfao
Damn that “just because you have great power doesn’t make everything your responsibility” goes hard
And that’s Peter’s biggest flaw
23:43 I might also add, as someone who works in IT, a business as big as Fisks absolutely does not grant public access to the server rooms, just by pure principle of a server room containing all the data a business possesses.
Only a small amount of staff will have the clearance to enter.
I don't even work with anything involving it and I knew the server rooms are not publicly available sk is just an idiot
I love how the point about Fisk’s server room being in a public building is described as if he’s insinuating random ass civilians would just be allowed to waltz in there
like I get that that wasn’t the point but it sounded like it
The server room had armed guards
That's like no security at all
My favourite part about him saying the Sinister 6 could’ve killed Peter at the RAFT, is how many times he brings it up and that they should’ve. The Sinister 6 is a revolving door of members. But if we take a look at Spectacular Spider-Man, we have Ock, Shocker, Electro, Sandman, Rhino, and Vulture. A near identical team yet Peter beats them as a group, in a fight, and not separately. Peter in Spectacular Spider-Man has had his powers for less than a year by the time the series ended. I’m pretty sure Peter lost the fight at the top of the RAFT, was because the area they were fighting in was a small roof. And Peter is definitely not going to let 5 of his rogues gallery just go because he retreated.
The entire video was a mess. But I love the chaos sometimes and just laugh at how sometimes people can be so wrong. This video was a real treat. Thanks for the content, and you didn’t have to suffer through someone’s baboon brain behaviour of a video. But we appreciate it.
Hell, Peter was kinda kicking their ass for a bit until Scorpion poisoned him
also i cant remember who but one of the sinister six literally say "he wants him alive" before doc ock who shows up and then says "this is your one and only warning" and this guy is like"SiNiStEr SiX sHoUlDvE KiLlEd HIm"
Remind me if Peter ever beat the Sinister Six himself, because I genuinely don’t remember.
What I *do* remember is that Venom took over Peter’s body and beat the Sinister Six in that show, so I don’t think it’s a fair comparison.
Couldn't he separate them one by one cause most of them cant fly and spam a bunch if gadgets😂? I mean 3 gadgets are mission confirmed in canon so Peter COULD have one...the story just didnt WANT him to🤷♂️
@@aionicthunder In season 2, without the symbiote, he takes them out again but one by one not all together
43:00 is actually explainable in a sense that there are two things that contextualize it. The first being Peter knowing his gauntlets are more powerful in how they hit doesn't necessarily translate to the potential of it's ability to tear through the webs. Especially when they look the exact same as the first encounter. The second is right after the first encounter Yuri asks if he knew a motive. Pete says he wasn't very talkative. So, Peter wears Herman down as you pointed out. Leading to "guys in masks might not be human".
The only time I ever *truly* got upset with MJ was when she snuck into that sable base looking for Charles Standish, he points a GUN at her and Peter, seeing another person he loves in danger, rightfully acts. She then proceeds to berate him, ignoring the fact that he was, you know, seeing an ex he STILL LOVES IN DANGER and the last time he had his powers and didn’t do anything to stop someone, his uncle died.
Exactly.
Not to mention all the other people he has lost like his Parents. Peter being overprotective is part of his character. Which comic MJ actually unserstands when she is written properly
I was annoyed at that too... until I put myself in MJ's shoes. This would have brought up emotions she assumed buried, or at least healed. This leads to all the emotions and stresses coming back all at once from their break up... ... I've been there. It's the furthest thing from rational you are. And we see MJ learn from it. Eventually.
Like Peter, MJ is a flawed human being. And like Peter, she learns to accept that and own up to her mistakes with an apology for all of it.
@@WFanatic502 Like…I understand her emotions and all that, I really do. I too know what it’s like to be treated in the same manner as MJ, it’s just I think there really had to be a better moment to let all those emotions out.
@@WFanatic502
Peter's flaw is understandable, what with him being the costumed crusader with the superpowers and gadgets, allowing him to fight other guys with superpowers and gadgets and understandably thinking a normal human can't. It's a flaw that allows us to sympathize with him, feeling bad for him that he's putting such a burden on himself and feeling happy when he finally relaxes and realizes he's not alone in all this chaos he's in.
MJ is a normal human that could easily get hurt or killed by the militant mercs and the crime syndicates, and whose injury and death would put Peter through untold amounts of grief he hasn't felt since Uncle Ben. You CAN'T sympathize with her, because what she's doing is MAD stupid to anyone with a brain and makes her look like a bitch when Spidey does what Spidey does and tries to save her, most notably in a situation where all he sees is her in a dangerous place and a dude holding a gun at her with no context of what's happening inside that room, understandably think the worst and acting accordingly. This isn't a flaw that makes her look good and look better when she gets over it. This is a flaw that makes her look insufferable and elicits an "about damn time" feeling when she does get over something that shouldn't have been there to begin with.
As I go through this video, its become pretty evident that S.K. is trying to emulate Madvocate's Flash analysis videos, but even Mad makes a lot of points that S.K. is against.
He has a problem with Fisk getting beat into a wall while Mad actively advises Multiplying Man get bashed in the head with a pole, because both of these characters know how to control their strengths. Even with the argument that Peter wouldn't know who shocker is in this incarnation, Shock is easily able to output a greater level of destruction so it would just be weird that he'd die by being crushed by some scaffold
How would he not know who Shocker is in this incarnation? He talks about Shocker like he's familiar with him (even sarcastically calling him a teddy bear before their first confrontation in the game, which implies they've fought before), actively calls him by his real name, and Shocker even reacts to Spider-Man showing up with a frustration that seems like he's done this before. Spider-Man and Shocker have clearly crossed paths before this game.
Oh come on now, part of Otto’s characterization throughout every media he’s appeared in IS that he doesn’t know when to quit and has more faith in his work and ability to perform than he has. It was the whole reason for Spider-Man 2, he didn’t want to shut down the reactor because “it’s only a minor hiccup”
So “why doesn’t Otto just shut it down before the grant committee arrives?” Because it’s literally part of his character
You probably make this point, I’m still watching, but wow lmao
It’s weird because SK actually defended the game from the equally stupid Young Defiant.
But then again…he made claims that Spectacular Spider-Man is overhyped…
Bro, that guy lost all potential of me listening with that one. Spectacular spider man was my child hood
Youngdefiant is such an obvious troll lol
Young defiant is a troll whereas sk seems serious lol
SK has shown that he doesn’t really understand what Insomniac was trying to do with the characters. Hell I would go so far to say he doesn’t understand Spider-Man as a character in general…
I highly doubt he would understand Young Defiant is a troll….
Because youngdefiant NEVER makes reasonable points and insults people for simply ENJOYING the things he talks about, even people who hate a lot of things and have bias can't stand that.
As a big spider man since I was like four and one who wants to be writer, I can’t help but lose my mind when this man made mind numbing points to criticize a story, that’s in a video game and is a spider man game. So Thank you. Everything you have said, has been what I was thinking about since I saw that video and it’s been driving me
Crazy, especially with his spectacular spider man videos.
Okay, you have your opinion and I have mine so if you really think SK is right, than you have right to think he’s right so..yea.
@@kaydencurtis6620 yeah and people have a right to dunk on him
Agreed, I mean I personally wouldn’t try to, but as long as it not very offensive to their character they’re fine ( unless they said some terrible things and have done terrible things the I think it’s justified.)
Even looking at the titles and thumbnails of some videos is enough to not want to watch them, for me. I haven't seen his NWH videos because the thumbnail and titles look like it's gonna be another bashing session of the movie (even though it was still amazing, nostalgia aside).
Did anyone watch those videos and can let me know how they were? I hate people bashing over these types of films.
Holy shit, that guy was infuriating at points but I'm happy you were there to debunk all of his bullshit! I haven't played this game in over a year but even I remembered a bunch of the specifics he tried to use as proof. Great video ❤
Also about the statue in the auction house. If I remember correctly how the mission played out, the tour guide opens the door and then gets a phone call from someone else at the Bugle. She finds out that MJ isn’t supposed to be there and is “pissed off” according to MJ. It wouldn’t be unsurprising if she wasn’t thinking straight and forgot to lock the door while yelling at the guy on the phone
People who treat fictional characters like they are real people confuse me. They act like the character willingly is acting in such way on their own, not like someone wrote them that way.
It's not even that that really gets to me, it's more how some people will act like any characters having any flaws and not making the best possible decision every time are somehow bad characters.
@@faultyvideos2215
Exactly! People seem to want characters to act like literal robots that make nothing but the utmost smartest and most logical decisions without any margin for error. But, like… people don’t do that. People make decisions based on what feels right to them, people make bad choices, and a character making a bad decision that is in line with who they are and what they want in that moment is not bad writing
@@faultyvideos2215You don’t know that it’s possible to have character flaws without character assassinations do you?
@thegreatnecromancerofmiddl3937 yes, it is in fact possible to have your character be flawed without them making a major decision so ridiculously out of character that it ruins the character for some, and Spider-Man for PS4 gives a terrific example of this
They were literally wrote (programmed) that way.
Sometimes people just hate for the sake of hating, it really exists in every media and the guy who made this argument of insomniac spider man's story being horrible is no exception fr.
Good video! I'm subscribed now
I thought he just made the video because controversy on youtube usually means a garenteed algorithm boost
Yo, I am soooo glad youtube recommended this video. I watched SK's video a while back and made some comments debunking his "criticisms." Like I made a comment saying that his criticism about Spider-Man killing people can be chalked up to "it's just a video game and the developers were trying to come up with some cool for the player to enjoy watching." Then that dude's rebuttal was."I am talking about the times Spider-Man kills in a cut scene. It's ok for him to do this stuff in gameplay." And then I basically repeated what I said, emphasizing that whether it is in a cut scene or game play, it still is not showing Spider-Man killing people." If Spider-Man actually killed people, the developers would have shown it, and JJJ would DEFINITELY use that as evidence for why Spider-Man is a menace. But he never talks about Spider-Man killing goons.
Also on the Shocker point, Shocker has a sheild. Peter cant hit through it. He jas to throw rocks at it. He understands that the big metal thing wont kill him. You also see the sheild buckle and disappear impling it absorbed the impact.
The shield isn’t covering the yellow parts of shocker’s suit. Actually pay attention to the media you leap to defend next time.
@@SoyboyPeterHow does that matter in any way
@@SoyboyPeterAlso, what are you on about yes it does. Stop lying so you can blindly hate and nitpick on something you dislike
@@SoyboyPeterAnd... how, pray tell, do you male a force field to not protect some parts? Why would you go to the extra effort to design vulnerabilities on purpose?
@@WFanatic502 The force field didn’t stop the giant object from falling on top of Shocker. Considering the weight of the object, it should have cleaved him in half.
Also the whole "oh spiderman kills demons by kicking them out" thing doesnt even apply to realife or whatever either because its shown in the game that whenever someone gets knocked off a building peter attatches a web ball to them that safely sticks them to the wall, so he likely did that to any demon or thug he does stuff like this to in the cutscenes.
Also, even if that weren't the case, people like SK maybe need to spend some more time on TV Tropes so they know what "Gameplay and Story Segregation" is.
“Why didn’t this character make the most rational and informed decision?” is such a lazy and dishonest criticism and it sadly is becoming more and more common. People say they want flawed characters who make mistakes rather than perfect Mary Sues. Yet when they get flawed characters they complain and call it bad writing when the characters aren’t perfect and make mistakes. It’s almost like these “critics” have no idea how writing actually works
I would also like to point out something about SK’s critic about Frisk’s security in a world of superheroes and villains thing: he shows the Rhino, probably the 1 guy in the game who does not give a rat’s ass how tough a security system is, his answer is the same and the result will be the same: running straight through it
With Fisk fighting Peter it is established that not only Fisk and Peter have fought before, but that at least once, Fisk beat him (in the gallery mission we hear M.J bring up a time Fisk, and I quote "Cut Peter open like a pork sausage." with a sword) so as fat as he is concerned, he has at least a good chance of winning.
Characters are allowed to make mistakes. It’s part of what makes them so relatable to real people.
Like with Colins saying “fluition” multiple times instead of “fruition”.
dude, you’re right about pretty much everything in this video. don’t let insomniac haters on Twitter or any other platform change your opinions. I look forward to more S-M content, hopefully less rants though.
Unfortunately, critical thinking is no longer a common theme anymore. Great video and fantastic points on your part!
I haven't seen SK's video, but from what I've seen here, I am inclined to believe that he would make the following argument:
SK: *shows a clip of him playing the game and sending a rocket to an opponent*
Also, SK: "Well, that guy is dead. Spiderman just threw a rocket at this person's face. Once again, Spiderman has broken his no-kill rule.
Im glad that you keep pointing out the humanity of Peter, with him making mistakes. I think there are a lot of people that just think that since he is a superhero, he is ineffable. Stan Lee himself said that Spider-Man is such a great hero because he is a human. He has the same struggles as a regular person, so he is easily relatable. This guy in the video talks about the Insomniac Spider-Man as if he should be completely perfect, and that will never be a trait for Spider-Man.
1:40:12 Peter in FFH in this scene literally says, "Sir, I really want to help. I do." He just thinks he can't. There's a difference.
Exactly. He’s not trying to weasel out of it he just wants to leave the job in more capable hands
And he is right because heroes like Captain Marvel and Thor and more powerful than him and have dealt with these types of situations more so they would be better suited for these tasks.
Are these guys friends now?
It’s complicated. But they don’t have beef anymore and seem to have mutual respect. They even do streams together
@@JDMaverick6714 so basically yes
Yea that might be the worst review I’ve ever seen in my life. 50% nitpicks that don’t make sense because they’re complaining about nonexistent problems or just complaining about the game not being perfectly realistic even though it’s a fucking video game, then 45% Him contradicting himself by complaining when something happens and then complaining when it doesn’t happen) and 5% Him completely missing/ignoring aspects of the story and complaining about how it doesn’t make sense.
You literally just summed the video up. The guy just complains about things that don’t matter, then when he does complain about the actual topic, he gets it so wrong that it’s hilarious
The top comment on his video is a comments full of racist reply and people saying it is so woke. What a great person S.K. is.
I’m sure he’s a very mentally balanced person who doesn’t REEE every time someone that doesn’t look like him is in media
@@thegoldavenger.3829e is so mentally unstable he made two video of almost 2 hours eache about how bad spectacular spider-man is. Yeah.....at this point it is to late
Edit: didn't watch theme, I have other shit to do.
Yeah, I noticed that S.K. tends to make a lot of nitpicks when I watched his Spectacular Spider-Man season 1 video. I did think he made a couple of good points in that video, but when it came to stuff like “why didn’t this villain use this to kill him right away” or something I just thought “Dude, it doesn’t matter all that much. These are supposed to be fun to watch and if that happens it’d take all the fun out of it.” I respect the guy, but some of his points can verge on being *extremely* nit-picky.
Couldn’t have explain it better myself.
Yh its superheroes so you have to just turn your brain off sometimes😂. Villains do dumb things ALL the time so them being imcompetent is just in the trope at this point. Thats why when character like Spot in Across the spiderverse BREAK this mold and get to the point they become icons
@@no.1spidey-fan182 turning off your brain doesn’t always make a superhero story enjoyable in fact it never works most of the time unless your watching Something really stupid.
Why even bother establishing that a villain has a super powerful weapon that can end the fight instantly? It makes them look stupid when they don’t use it.
@@SoyboyPeter than the plot be over with why are you acting like your expecting that to happen in the story.
I only discovered your channel about a month ago when your Insomniac Spider-Man power scale video randomly appeared in my feed. Clicking on that was one of the best decisions I've made on UA-cam. Haven't seen you miss yet. Love finding someone that appreciates this game and Spider-Man in general as much as I do.
i hate when people say things like "character made bad decision therefore writing bad"
i think a lot of the time it's just sexism cause a lot of these """""""""criticisms""""""""" have to do with women
It's funny how S.K is trying to copy Madvocate and his "The Flash is Infuriatingly Inconsistent" series, but it just doesn't work because unlike "The Flash" and it's trash writers, Spider-Man PS4 is actually a game that the developers put their all in, with $100 million being poured in through the course of 4 years.
Spider-Man ps4 is the perfect definition of style over substance. The game tricked people into thinking its masterpiece with its technical achievements while still failing at storytelling and gameplay. This game has a terrible story mediocre gameplay. They spent most of the budget on the graphics.
the “don’t stop to talk” bit only works with the Flash because he has SUPERSPEED, he should absolutely be able to come in, instant K.O., leave. spider-man can’t do that without possible hostages being killed.
@@hidden_block They could even fix that if they nerfed barry, make him get exhausted while trying to tap the speedforce, low carbs or whatever. Anything would give an solid explanation on the matter
@@SoyboyPetersure bud
@@Lulu-ew7oh And the funny thing is, SK was doing long form video critiques 9 months before Madvocate did his first flash video
I hate that this dude does the “don’t stop to talk” gimmick from the flash is insufferably inconsistent videos, but not only is he stealing a joke from that, it’s not even a valid criticism because when it is done for the Flash, it is because he could solve any situation so quickly that no person would be able to react, whereas Spider-Man is not fast enough to be capable of doing that.
This dude is trying to claim that it’s unrealistic for people to not make the most rational decisions possible in every situation. Has this man ever been in contact with other people? Is he from planet Vulcan?
And thus, from this debunk video a great friendship would be born
Indeed
Yeah that’s pretty accurate.
"Why spiderman ps4 is a bad game? "🚫
"Why MJ is a bad game" ✅️
Edit: "Why the side characters are a bad game"
I have a couple of things to say about those StoryStreet clips, and I'll dip into some spoilers for the second game here and there even though this video was made before it was out.
I would argue to some extent against the idea that Peter sees everyone as one thing. Even in the first game, he knows Shocker is more than just a criminal, and he clearly expresses his belief that Tombstone can reform, despite the fact that he's introduced _killing someone._ Come the second game, this belief is proven correct as not only is Tombstone completely reformed, but Mysterio and Sandman as well. When Sandman relapses at the beginning, he says he wants to _help_ him, not stop him. This could be because of what he learned in the first game, but even in the first game he wanted to help Shocker when he realized he was being threatened.
Another thematic aspect of the game that's even stronger in the second game is the duality between Peter's two lives. He thinks he _has_ to be Spider-Man because he can, and anything he chooses not to do could lead to someone losing their Uncle Ben. He has a kind of messiah complex. _He_ has to be the one to fix every problem, no matter how small, because he's seen a seemingly small problem spiral into something much bigger and more tragic. _He_ has to stop every robbery, because one of those robbers could go on to kill someone. _He_ has to stop those guys in Central Park from harvesting private data, _he_ has to deal with that hostage situation, _he_ has to find out which cars are causing that pollution, _he_ has to fix that building's water pressure. Not only does this lead to him making problems worse when he rushes into things without a plan or tries to solve problems he's not qualified to solve (like when the water towers start leaking or in the helicopter chase mission where he endangers countless lives because he didn't secure the helicopter properly and poorly improvised a plan to stop it, causing a crane to nearly crush people, a wrecking ball to slam into countless buildings, and the helicopter's tail to barrel down the street at high speeds; seriously, if S.K. wanted to criticize Peter for endangering innocent lives, the helicopter mission is RIGHT THERE), but it also costs Peter Parker dearly. He prioritizes going after Fisk over paying his rent, which costs him his home. He repeatedly prioritizes being Spider-Man over his job with Otto, which eventually leads to Otto becoming a supervillain, costing Peter both a mentor and an aunt. His Spider-Man-ing also puts a strain on his relationship with MJ, who feels useless next to him. In the second game, he prioritizes fighting Sandman (his responsibility as Spider-Man) over his responsibility as a teacher, which costs him his job and in turn nearly costs him May's house. Due to this, MJ is left paying the mortgage which further strains their relationship. Then when he gets the black suit, he thinks he finally has the perfect solution. All that stuff he felt guilty about before? Jeff's death, May's death, Otto's descent into villainy? He thinks the black suit would have prevented all of it, and now he'll never have to feel guilty about anything ever again. But all it makes him do is focus all his efforts on being a better _Spider-Man,_ once again neglecting his responsibilities as Peter Parker. He still thinks _Spider-Man_ is the solution to everything. He neglects his responsibilities as a boyfriend to MJ, a friend to Harry, and a mentor to Miles. All of his relationships suffer because he thinks being the perfect Spider-Man is "everything everyone needs [him] to be." It's because of him neglecting his relationships that Harry becomes Venom. By the end of the game, he fully learns that being Peter Parker is just as important and just as helpful as being Spider-Man, so he decides to take a hiatus from superheroing to focus on his personal life. After all, he doesn't need superpowers to make a difference, and the stress of being Spider-Man was bad for his mental health and bad for everyone else in his life. It's a reverse of what we usually see in Spider-Man stories, where the moral seems to be that him being Spider-Man _is_ more important than his own mental health and financial stability, and he just needs to find a way to balance his hero life with his personal life, and I _love_ this reversal. It's such an unhealthy and dangerous message to send that your own wellbeing should come secondary to that of others, and I love that Insomniac is deconstructing that and instead saying "How can you expect to help anyone if you can barely function?" People should be encouraged to take breaks if what they're doing is getting in the way of their mental health or relationships, and they should learn that they don't need to shoulder _every_ burden.
“Isn’t it lucky how the criminals are missing literally every shot” yeh it’s a video game we sorta need them too
It’s a cinematic cutscene. Therefore criminals missing their shot is egregious plot armor for the main characters.
Fucking spider sense man come the hell on
Modern militaries actually take about a thousand rounds to hit the target once, so the bad guys miss every shot in movies, TV shows, games, etc is actually more realistic than you might think, if anything Stormtroopers have extremely inhumanly good aim yeah that's how common it is for militaries to miss.
This was a fantastic video!
I remember feeling bummed out about SK's video because Insomniac Spider-Man was my version outside the comics and after watching his vid it made me feel about liking it because of it's supposed "bad storytelling".
But you've done a great job debunking his points and now my hype and love for the game is restored, can't wait for Part 2.
You shouldn't let someone else dictate your enjoyment of a movie or game. Especially from someone who clearly didn't put any thought into his points. He clearly made that video with the expectation that no one would actually THINK about his points, and would instead just go along with it. And anyone that did try to respond to his dumbass points, he very easily just wrought them off as being "fanboys". After all, there is a reason why you or anyone else didn't pick up on these "plot holes".
@@Jonathonthames89 I still liked the game despite being bummed out about the video. Before then I held the game to a higher standard, but when I heard that the game had huge flaws it died down the hype.
But even then I never stopped loving it. I can still enjoy something despite it's flaws. But it's still awesome that the very thing I enjoyed the entire time didn't really those flaws and is well defended.
I don’t think it was SK intention to make you feel that away, because really the video itself was just kinda a huge nick pick of certain things that honestly don’t make the story bad at all. Honestly you don’t have to like something or like this illustration of this spider man, but I feel like you could just simply say that you don’t like it and people should just be fine with that answer instead of making a entire video of basic nick picks and not justify answers on why you don’t like this Version of spider man.
@@kaydencurtis6620 I never thought that was intention. He's just reviewing a media like any other reviewer on this site.
It's just his points, at the time, died down the hype for me because I regarded the game as the best version of Spider-Man outside the comics.
@@tokuknight8098 yea I get you and he by far my favorite version of spider man :D
What S.K. is either ignoring or just isn't aware of, is that Spider-Man is *ALWAYS* pulling his punches, because if he didn't he *would* be killing people with his super-strength. But since he holds back and doesn't use his full force, he's only ever striking his enemies with enough force to fight them - not kill them.
Keeping this fact in mind, like 80% of S.K.'s nitpicks are made complete mush.
9:35 You say this repeatedly throughout the video and I’m confused as to why. “She’s not in the right headspace.” Ok, so you acknowledge that her normal cognitive function is altered to some degree. She’s making bad decisions because of this but we’re in the wrong for criticizing her for making these decisions? If I go steal from Walmart because “I’m not in the right headspace” do you still not have the right to criticize me? Mary Jane consistently does dumb things throughout this game, we are perfectly justified in our being upset with said dumb decisions. Also, who says she’s in the wrong headspace? Peter says himself (Mj also says this) that he’s constantly having to pester her because of her poor decision making. So she’s not simply “In the wrong headspace” she just has poor judgement. This is why later on she has to apologize to Peter for how idiotic she’s been not only throughout the game but since she’s been involved with him. The reason she says Peter has saved her 8,000 times (which I’m sure is hyperbolic but still implies he’s had to save her a LOT) is because she’s CONSTANTLY putting herself in very dangerous situations. It’s perfectly reasonable for us to mad at this. Anyways, I’d love to discuss some of these things with you in a voicechat. Do you use Discord at all?
I never said she doesn't make bad decisions... she's mad at Peter bc she wants to prove he doesn't need to be overprotective of her, but she develops as a character, changes, and gets better as the story progresses, the only actually dumb shit she does in this game is sneaking into Tombstones place and the Sable Base. The Grand Central thing she couldn't have expected that to happen, and I already explained more of that in the video
I find it funny how he expects every character in stories to always be perfect AND thinks fiction is supposed to be like reality. It’s like he thinks in reality humanity isn’t flawed and people don’t make mistakes. At least pick one or the other.
My guy straight up copied madvocate….. in the shocker scene….
Wait he actually copies @madvocate straight up without even mentioning that man’s comedic style
The only thing i disagree with is that we can't create an iron man suit or a small sun in real life because we are actually getting closer to this reality
I wouldn’t know it was just a small example, but also that stuff is never going to work like how it does in the movies
@@C0LIN. That's fair loved the video though
Let’s be honest: Bro was trying to so hard to be Madvocate 😭
Bro even did the “don’t stop to talk” lmao 💀
Dude, everyone says “don’t stop to talk.”
@@christianrappertell me, who else says over and over “don’t stop to talk” 20 times to describe one scene where a character doesn’t take action.
Who do you think he’s trying to be? 💀 😂😂😂
@@WaffleYabbler me for one. Its freaking frustrating when a person with super speed doesn’t just use his speed to stop a situation due to plot reasons. “Don’t stop to talk” isn’t unique to one UA-camr. Everyone thinks that with speedster characters like The Flash or Superman. Even if the did “stop to talk” those characters still should never be surprised by ordinary people with ordinary reaction and movement speed.
@@christianrapper Dude I’m not saying it’s impossible for people to say it 💀
I’m saying it’s a phrase that was iconic and realized by madvocate who this guy is clearly trying to imitate. I’m not saying nobody has ever said it before, but again, who says it repeatedly and continuously to describe a scene where a character isn’t taking action?
That’s right, Madvocate. 🤣
@@WaffleYabblerI think the other dude is being sarcastic and you are falling for it
Oh my god thank FUCK someone else finally said that about the towers. I did a response video talking about that and he brought up NO good points in response. Just shat on the videos and I just gave up because he wasn't willing to actually accept good faith that those changes are on Peters end
That’s why I’m putting you and Colins Wrld into my circle of trust. As long as we work together, we can bring SK down. Not kill him. But leave him in such a depressed state that he’ll do it himself. I’ve changed my plan. I’m not going to kill SK myself. We need a solid plan to stop him.
Funny bc he’s crying on Twitter and in my comments bc I insulted him yet he does the same things in his live stream, I think I saw him talking about ur video when I looked at one of his live streams
@@C0LIN. are you two in or are you out?
@@averyhodges3579 "You're the one who's out gobby... Out of your mind!"
@@ArachnidYouth lmao. Anyways, if you two have Instagram, we can discuss our plans to bring down SK from there in DMs. Wait. Do you guys have Instagram?
32:47 In addition to this, let's just play along with S.K. and use in-universe logic. Pete hid most of these backpacks in areas that are hard for the average civilian to get to (without heavy machinery or ladders). I doubt they would make all that effort just for a backpack. Same with Spidey's villains, why would they care about a backpack, hidden or not? How would they know or care what was in it? (Pete was actually big brain here IMO).
But even taking into account ALL of that, if they found all this stuff in his backpack, why would they care? Sure it has Spidey stuff and personal stuff, but most honest people would just turn it in or assume it was a megafan of Spidey (like we assume the movers did with the stuff in his apartment when Pete got evicted). Or they'd leave it alone bc they know it's Spidey's and most of them love and respect him.
4:54 Hello, just a little side note here, we do actually have some context to what MJ is talking about. in the Spider-Man novel, Hostile takeover which serves as a prequel to this game, we say MJ in her early Bugle days, going to FIsk tower to interveiw Wilson, to which Peter constantly tries to talk MJ out of because he thinks it's too dangerous, even though he as done similar things in the past, this is one of many things from that novel that effectivly sets this up, anyway, just wanted to give my input as someone who has read the novel :)
He made a video on that novel
@@shardsoftime0952 ah okay, just thought I'd mention it since he said we had no context for what MJ was saying
Ima be honest. I think his sandman point is pretty fair. It is kinda fucked keeping him in a jar lol. Like you're criticizing him for making hypotheticals and assumptions at at a few points but handwaving him as "he's probably locked up somewhere" is sort of the same.
Also it's not particularly fair to use examples of how appealing to reality is unfair on his end, but also using real life realities yourselfsuch as "city officials would have to go through a background check so therefore less likely to be criminals"
Not saying the dude made compelling arguments, because 95% of the things he says are nitpicks not even worth mentioning, but i think some of your own criticisms of his points are a bit hypocritical in some fairness.
A bit but the truth is somebody had to make a video about his. It was one of the worst media criticism videos I had ever seen and his spectacular spider man video was bot any better.
23:44 actually illegally acquired information can be used in court but the person who illegally acquired the evidence will still be prosecuted
That's true as long as the government wasn't the person who acquired the information because the Supreme court in the 1961 case Map vs Ohio ruled that evidence that the government acquired illegally is inadmissible in court.
Well Spider-Man just doesn’t show up to court
I gotta say, Spiderman PS4 is the greatest game I've ever played. Such emotion, gameplay, it's the perfect game.
I really love how this guy argues. Because by his own logic, every single cop should fire on sight when they see Spidey, SHIELD should hunt him down and Yuri should be fired by associating with him. Because well.. Spider-Man is illegally trespassing, apprehends people without warrants, uses excessive force, his webs could be considered vandalism, he is traveling through restricted New York air space without a license, he leaves property damage, wears a mask while committing all those crimes... AND IS A VIGILANTE, WHICH IS ALSO VERY MUCH ILLEGAL. And since he is a superpowered being, SHIELD should be all over him since he breaks all those laws! I mean, we can even argue that Peter is breaking the speed limit by swinging.
By this guy's logic, the entire game would be Peter on the run from every single authority to boot, while at the same time being unable to pay his rent. Basically what this guy wants a spider-man game to be... Is peter being hunted by society, not cracking jokes, being homeless...
Spawn. He wants Spawn.
And even Spawn cracks jokes.
But I am sure he would complain about the cape.
I love the fact that before this vid came out he had 2K subs and now after it he has 11K subs shows how much a vid can change someone’s career
I had 2k subs like 4 months ago which was when I started making the vid but I got bored of it and left it alone for months, but ur not wrong one of my videos did blow up a few weeks ago and I appreciate the support I've gained from it
I feel like him repeating "don't stop to talk" only makes sense for CW's Flash, that has no character development whatsoever (please note that my knowledge goes only up to like season 4 or 5), because the Flash is literally fast enough to disarm first and then mess around. Spider-Man's whole personality is, as you've said, stop, talk, and often catch up with whoever he's about to fight or stop before going in. Peter in the PS4 game also explains his joking demeanor because MJ bitches about him joking in stressful situations.
Also it is well known that Spiderman doesn't use his full strength unless he has too. Spiderman can easily kill people with his strength but he holds back. We see how strong he is when he stops the train in Spiderman 2....but he never killed anyone in that film or any subsequent film.
Another thing is that i don't think the guy notices is that everytime Peter kicks a bad guy into a seemingly dangerous situation he webs the guy to prevent them from getting hurt. It's a blink & you miss it moment that the creators subtle put in the game.
The actual point he should've made about that first mj scene is that she says spiderman nicked him out when in actuality he fell over and knocked himself out lmao
But that was because he was startled which wouldn't have happened if Peter didn't drop In from out of nowhere
the funniest takes to me is everyone treating insomniacs mary jane like she’s sam raimi’s adaptation of mary jane, ts is so fucking funny, even after she apologized near the end of the game and even took it a step further and learned her lesson in the dlc she is not the same mj from the main story bc this is a game about self development and sabotage NOT JUST WITH PETER PARKER but everyone around him this isn’t just a peter parker game this is a miles morales origin story, a continuation of a ongoing story for peter and mj, and origin story for otto octavious this is a 10/10 story with a 8/10 gameplay so damn near perfect imo but if this guy (and others like him) are gonna be this nitpicky about the FIRST game i wonder how they gonna be like in october 💀💀
Just to add to your first point. Why would the game use a bad example of why MJ broke up with Mj? So we can sit at home and imagine the times similar things might have happened to Mj and try to justify her reaction? I dunno. If the game can't provide enough context for me to see why this moment should have upset Mary Jane, then i honestly don't see i can ever relate to the situation. This is how i felt about the majority of the game.
Maybe part of the reason may be that they packed way too many storylines into one game. I think it might have needed a simpler narrative with maybe fewer villains and more time to get to discover their motives and their human side. I Dunno.
this video perfectly describes the stubborn nature of the internet rn, people only listen to things THEY want to hear
Okay, but that "this guy got kicked out of the truck" 1. It's flaahy. 2. Spiderman definitely 100% padded his fall with webbing and stuck him to a wall. My head cannon right here
Where the masked guys somewhat super human. Because that could be another example of how they survived.
@@dragonman969 true. I like coming up with theories in Fiction. Anything can happen. Such as: they got revived by the FPS medic.
So i am up to the part of the statue and this guys argument about it being in a room to the side is so infuriatingly stupid. here are a few points.
the statue is detailed in the pamphlets, it is obviously being prepped for display, and would likely be kept in a glass case as a display so that people don't play around with it and accidentally break it.
the statue is not in glass at this time so that it can be moved a short distance(decreasing the risk of damage) to a plinth and have the glass lowered on to it so that it is not moved as a whole display increasing the risk of it falling and breaking(both the statue and the glass). also glass doesn't appear out of thin air the statue needs to be measured and the case custom made.
lastly, this is an art gallery, they do not have the luxury of a lot of storage space like a museum. we see one storage room and that statue would not fit in there and allow employees to move around freely.
sorry this point really annoyed me for some reason.
the dude who did the original review was so annoying just to listen to... christ
this man would CRUMBLE analyzing Metal Gear
In the game, Taskmaster critiques Spidey on holding his punches. I do not need to explain any further than that. Of course, i'd imagine being hit by a sewer lid would cause a hell of a lot of blunt trauma, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Hostage takers, drug dealers, murderers, private military authoritarian fascists and kidnappers don't deserve the luxury of going unscathed when they hassle innocent people and use grenades and anti-air weapons in a heavily populated area.
I watched a series from Madvocate about the flash series. It feels like he tried to imitate him but didn't get the problem that he brought up. He focused on the rules that they established in the span over the episodes while he didn't get it and thought he implied the real world to it. And the things he imitates like "don't stop to talk" or "they killed x parts" just are nonsense.
Most of the time mj would be doing something dangerous and dumb which is way peter is "treating her like a baby" even tho mj can get hurt badly
I went over this in the video
@Colins Wrld also batman grapple gun and spiderman's webshooters are possible
@@tfordham13 no they aren’t🤣 show me an example of someone using a grapple gun like how Batman does and do the same for web shooters
@Colins Wrld you said they didn't exist and they do while not exactly the same there very similar
@@tfordham13 There are grapple guns in real life but don’t work anywhere near the same as how Batman’s grapple gun does and also nobody has created actual working web shooters like how Spider-Mans work
"Don't stop to talk" is a quote from channel "Madvocate" that was making summary of stupid things in the flash. Difference is that in flash these "stupid things" were real, while this guy is trying so hard to prove his point, forgetting that it's supposed to be made in a comedy format.
Dude, if you copy stuff, do it correctly 😂
Well flash has superspeed so he has no excuse to take out any enemy less then a second
While Spider-Man talks because it takes time for him to fight his enemies and he is trying to get in there head
Surprisingly, this guy ended up converting from an enemy of Collin to now an ally and friend of Collin, talk about character development in real life, the dude went through the Vegeta Arc from Dragon Ball
Did Colin make a response to S.K's response
Also, and I hate to make 2 comments but I wanna say something about the whole Shocker thing. Shocker creates giant Sonic Blasts from his gauntlets, so his suit has to be made specifically to resist the effects of the Sonic Blasts, meaning his suit is far more armored and padded than it seems. Heck, it could have some Vibranium in it or something. So, I think that's a big part of why Shocker was able to survive that big chandelier thing falling on top of him. Also, when Shocker is freeing himself when Spidey webs him up and hangs him upside-down, he's using his gauntlets to make Sonic Blasts.... Obviously.... And, Spidey's webbing can't hit Shocker if he's generating Sonic Blasts, as we see, literally in that boss fight. Just thought I'd give my 2 cents.
I don’t think he was wrong, he just skipped every cutscene ☠️
He was playing the game with no volume or captions and didnt pay attention to every detail mj mentioned from the file and also ignored Fisk most of the time
this video seriously wouldn't be that bad if you didn't make it in horrifically bad faith. This video just seems like a one way screaming match and an excuse to fling insults at somebody for 2 hours because they disagree with you over a video-game. Your unwarranted hostility towards S.K. in the comments isn't great either, do better man.
First of all I would make points as well as throwing insults, I wasn’t only throwing insults. Second, u don’t have to get ur feelings hurt for someone else, if u have a problem with little insults u clearly grew up differently then I did
@@C0LIN.ppl are so soft ☠️☠️
"did you even alert the authorities?" hello officer, I snuck into a highly secret military base, gained classified information, trespassed, and have withheld the identity of a known vigilante. hey, why are you arresting me!
The moment you bring up fucking TAKEDOWN ANIMATIONS to show how a game has bad story you know you went too far
39:08 - That "Don't stop to talk" joke was literally taken from a video about The Flash. He then says he shouldn't have pulled a "CW's flash" so can he not even think of his own jokes? That's not even that hard. His entire video is one...
Does this Cinema Sins guy not realise that Spidey also jokes to relax himself? He's scared but joking helps him stay calm while putting the villains off balance.
You literally explained it perfectly 😂 the person is tryna make these fictions stories make sense into reality. If you use the same logic that guy is using then even movies like the dark knight or into the spider verse ain’t masterpieces.