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  • @snakegirl1925
    @snakegirl1925 2 місяці тому +2803

    Odysseus is like the good father that actually wants to come back with the milk but gets lost in the supermarket

    • @kristenthacker5762
      @kristenthacker5762 2 місяці тому +797

      and half the supermarket is trying to kill him

    • @yay29823
      @yay29823 2 місяці тому +619

      ​@@kristenthacker5762Especially the managers for some reason

    • @AddyzilynRules
      @AddyzilynRules 2 місяці тому +346

      @@kristenthacker5762 He's lactose intolerant

    • @snakegirl1925
      @snakegirl1925 2 місяці тому +193

      @@AddyzilynRules and DANGEROUS ~!😂😂

    • @Nisselak
      @Nisselak 2 місяці тому +297

      "I wandered among the shelves for 20 years"

  • @markerofthemidnight7469
    @markerofthemidnight7469 2 місяці тому +2890

    Great to see Athena graduating from Divine Sugar Momma to Divine Cool Aunt

    • @Epic_Halfblood
      @Epic_Halfblood 2 місяці тому +179

      It’s the fact that both fit her so well

    • @janellejones6559
      @janellejones6559 2 місяці тому +108

      From Sugar Momma to Sweet Protective Aunt.❤

    • @VegaTheLyra
      @VegaTheLyra 2 місяці тому +76

      Or Divine Aunt Godmother

    • @abthedragon4921
      @abthedragon4921 2 місяці тому +31

      OMG that is the perfect description! XD

    • @the0neBoio
      @the0neBoio 2 місяці тому +8

      divine sugar granny?

  • @zexalplays
    @zexalplays 2 місяці тому +943

    Mortius - "he never met his son"
    Just a man - "your as old as he was when i left for war"

    • @officialmortius
      @officialmortius  2 місяці тому +441

      Listen 😭🤣

    • @zexalplays
      @zexalplays 2 місяці тому +129

      @@officialmortius we all have our moments of forgetfulness

    • @WittySomething
      @WittySomething 2 місяці тому +96

      I mean...his son was like what, a handful of months old then? Sure he *met* his son, but he never met him as an actual thinking, self-aware sapient person. He never got to see his son grow up, so yeah, technically Mortius is right. He never did get to meet his son.

    • @zexalplays
      @zexalplays 2 місяці тому +41

      @@WittySomething except that wasn't the reason this was brought up. The reason this was brought up was that mortius brought up actual age for telemachus and not sentience

    • @Majesticskyyy
      @Majesticskyyy 2 місяці тому +31

      @@officialmortius it's your wet Hades moment 😂

  • @Jackie-McCann
    @Jackie-McCann 2 місяці тому +1318

    “Where’s my sword? I’ll fight you, Antinuous!”
    MOOD! The second he had the AUDACITY to call Penelope a “tramp”, he pretty much painted a big red target on his back in the fandom’s eyes. 😡

    • @aadityayanamandra8846
      @aadityayanamandra8846 2 місяці тому +47

      Just a quick correction, you're spelling his name like "continuous." You're adding a U, it's just "Antinous," pronounced "ANT-in-us."

    • @vic-c2x
      @vic-c2x 2 місяці тому +43

      I have yet to see a reaction where someone didn't want to fight him. He united an already united fandom to the max with that one.

    • @navimcfarland9113
      @navimcfarland9113 2 місяці тому +17

      We need to assemble the troops!

    • @qwerty_qwerty
      @qwerty_qwerty 2 місяці тому +9

      @@aadityayanamandra8846 ANT-in-us sound so weird. like I never knew how to pronounce it so my brain went for it being like "continuous" for some reason

    • @aadityayanamandra8846
      @aadityayanamandra8846 2 місяці тому +10

      @@qwerty_qwerty Jorge makes the same mistake lol, it's common. Technically, if you were trying to be 100% accurate and not englicizing the name, it'd be "ant-in-oh-OOS," but that sounds ridiculous in english

  • @danieldavid3766
    @danieldavid3766 2 місяці тому +1110

    Small correction: Odysseus left when Telemachus was an infant. In “Just a Man”, Ody told Astyanax, “You’re as old as [my son] was when I left for war.”

    • @sky-inder
      @sky-inder 2 місяці тому +114

      Yes, Odysseus was there in Ithaca for the birth of his son, he was still an infant when he left though which is why Ody and Telemachus don't know each other

    • @Blossom319-fx7tg
      @Blossom319-fx7tg 2 місяці тому +15

      The name Telemachus means distant war

    • @dragonsweat256
      @dragonsweat256 2 місяці тому +17

      Telemachus was 10 in just a man the war lasted 10 years and we only saw the end

    • @AddyzilynRules
      @AddyzilynRules 2 місяці тому +24

      he's like 19-20 depending on his birthday

    • @DrGrant1
      @DrGrant1 Місяць тому +11

      Came here to say this exact thing. Theoretically he should be 20-21 years old at this point. Its not like they had ultrasounds back then so how would he know it was a son if he was at war when Telemachus was born?

  • @elsie8757
    @elsie8757 Місяць тому +62

    Imagine calling Penelope a tramp for [checks notes] ...waiting two decades for her husband to come home and NOT letting anyone else near her bed in all that time

  • @lvlHive
    @lvlHive 2 місяці тому +446

    "108 old faces... and... like one guy in a vest who keeps trying to fight them for me"

    • @averageuser9366
      @averageuser9366 2 місяці тому +12

      Wait, who?

    • @Stella_Sebarron
      @Stella_Sebarron 2 місяці тому +87

      @@averageuser9366 They're talking about Mortius and how he wants to fight the suitors for insulting Penelope and threatening Telemachus.

    • @workchannel8053
      @workchannel8053 11 днів тому +2

      Odysseus shows up to the palace in disguise and it’s a vest and glasses 😂

    • @jesuschristbutafab9923
      @jesuschristbutafab9923 7 днів тому +2

      108 old guys and that one bard who keeps casting vicious mockery on them

  • @Razdasoldier
    @Razdasoldier 2 місяці тому +301

    I love how he doesn't connect the Little Wolf is the son of the man who's WOLFPACK is swimming with the sharks now

    • @rhov-anion
      @rhov-anion 2 місяці тому +48

      I've wondered if the wolf imagery is due to the maternal grandfather of Odysseus is named Autolycus which translates to "the wolf itself."
      He taught Hercules wrestling but also got him into trouble with his kleptomania. I've seen essays call Autolycus the "Prince of Thieves" of the Greek world.

    • @shinotenshi45
      @shinotenshi45 Місяць тому +5

      I sure as hell didn't 😅

  • @VegaTheLyra
    @VegaTheLyra 2 місяці тому +1217

    "PROTECT THIS CHILD" yes that checks out protect our sunshine prince

    • @Fire_kimesa
      @Fire_kimesa 2 місяці тому +36

      Our sweet summer child.

    • @navimcfarland9113
      @navimcfarland9113 2 місяці тому +32

      Our sunshine man. May Polites live on in Telly

    • @snakegirl1925
      @snakegirl1925 2 місяці тому +41

      @@VegaTheLyra
      Telemachus: losing the fight
      Athena "don't.touch.my.child"😞
      Antinous: Doesn't
      Athena:"DONT TOUCH THE CHILD!"
      *Epic fight scene*
      Penelope: "HE'S TOUCHING MY CHILD!" 😫👉
      Ody:"YOU'RE TOUCHING MY CHILD?!"
      Antinous: "NO!"😨
      *Epic fight scene*
      Real ones will know this one😂😂😂

    • @alfana15
      @alfana15 2 місяці тому +12

      No oneshall harm our Disney princess XD

    • @snakegirl1925
      @snakegirl1925 2 місяці тому +4

      @@alfana15 😂😂😂

  • @Anaisnt9
    @Anaisnt9 2 місяці тому +291

    17:34 Jorge made a post talking about the “whatcha gonna do about it champ?” and how incredibly well Ayron delivers that line. Despite his warning no one was prepared for it 😅😅

  • @DarkestNova556
    @DarkestNova556 2 місяці тому +783

    I know by the end I’m going to be hearing “JORGE! WHEN I CATCH YOU JORGE!” From Mortious 😂

    • @sarahhandberg5185
      @sarahhandberg5185 2 місяці тому +22

      Ohhh im so excited

    • @Nisselak
      @Nisselak 2 місяці тому +42

      and we know exactly at what moment we'll hear that scream....
      😂

    • @WittySomething
      @WittySomething 2 місяці тому +25

      We might get a couple of them honestly.

    • @VioletDragon137
      @VioletDragon137 2 місяці тому +17

      @@Nisselak haha * cough cough * love in paradise * cough cough *

    • @DCTurtleTrekki777
      @DCTurtleTrekki777 2 місяці тому +3

      Hehehehehee

  • @dylanfooler
    @dylanfooler 2 місяці тому +914

    Mortius so excited he started speaking Courage the Cowardly Dog lol

    • @froilandragon5693
      @froilandragon5693 2 місяці тому +34

      He's wearing pink, it fits!

    • @dylanfooler
      @dylanfooler 2 місяці тому +23

      @@froilandragon5693 Oh, man, now I gotta sketch Mortius as Courage lol
      Edit: It's sketched and on Cas's discord now lol

    • @BlueCookies1116
      @BlueCookies1116 2 місяці тому +6

      @@dylanfoolersame i gotta make fanart now💀

  • @Majesticskyyy
    @Majesticskyyy 2 місяці тому +523

    Ok I can finally tell you this without it being a spoiler! So when Athena says "if you're looking for a mentor I'll make sure your time's well spent" in WOTM it's a bit of a reference to the source material. The word "mentor" in English is directly derived from the Odyssey, as Mentes (sometimes just translated as Mentor) was the name Athena first went by when disguised as a mortal when she first met Telemachus :) only had to wait 7 sagas to tell you 😂

    • @J.D.onthego
      @J.D.onthego 2 місяці тому +35

      Omg the restraint. Well done.

    • @mielliot13
      @mielliot13 2 місяці тому +9

      ohh, wow I never knew that, cool fact and respect the restraint.

    • @Zyphyro11
      @Zyphyro11 Місяць тому +3

      Oooh you're right! Never would have made that connection!

    • @meaypie11
      @meaypie11 Місяць тому +2

      😮😮😮 Dude, AWESOME

  • @alecwheeler3338
    @alecwheeler3338 2 місяці тому +202

    Someone pointed out on a tiktok before a really good point. In Legendary when telemacus sings: “if I fight this monster is It you I’ll find” can mean telemacus thinks if he fights he’ll die and if he dies he’ll see Odysseus in the underworld cuz his dad very well could be dead for all he knows.

    • @vic-c2x
      @vic-c2x 2 місяці тому +22

      Now did you need to break my heart like that? I am still recovering from this saga. Have mercy 🙏

    • @maverickfleorlouis1482
      @maverickfleorlouis1482 2 місяці тому +17

      Ohh I like that interpretation so much!! When I first heard it, I thought it was Telemachus thinking if he'll be just as strong as Odysseus is when fighting monsters
      SPOILER::
      (I think Telemachus' line after finally reuniting with Odysseus is a good proof of this too "I could never outgrow you" @ Odysseus)

  • @danielcasco4124
    @danielcasco4124 2 місяці тому +384

    Someone else pointed this out but its interesting how Antinous is like a evil Eurylochus.
    Eurylochus had the crew as his chorus and now Antinous has the suitors.

    • @IlieTornes
      @IlieTornes 2 місяці тому +55

      I like to imagine that when Epic has a stage adaptation Eurylochus and Antonius will be played by the same person (Polites and Telemachus too 🙃)

    • @danielcasco4124
      @danielcasco4124 2 місяці тому +40

      @@IlieTornes that would be fun. Kinda like how in Peter pan plays, captain Hook and Wendy's dad are played by the same actor.

    • @aadityayanamandra8846
      @aadityayanamandra8846 2 місяці тому +66

      Honestly, him as an evil Eurylochus (instead of uplifting his crew, he uses them to put others down) is a pretty fun analogy, especially given his use of the electric guitar.
      Plus, that means Eurymachus (the more charming suitor who doesn't waste his time bullying Telemachus) can be seen as a darker Odysseus, using his brain and charisma solely to further his own ends.
      It also places Amphinomus, the suitor who refuses to join the others and attempts to protect Penelope and Telemachus, as a mirror to Polites.

    • @adamharith782
      @adamharith782 2 місяці тому +19

      Iirc, Jorge said that Antinuos instruments (yes plural) are opposite of Odysseus like the electric guitar (I think) and the other suitors become his background ensemble.

    • @caitlinb35
      @caitlinb35 2 місяці тому +5

      ​@@adamharith782has he specifically named the instruments? I was thinking drums and strings but I also hear a low reed instrument (clarinet/bass clarinet/sax/bari sax or a mix maybe)

  • @kittycatzuka
    @kittycatzuka 2 місяці тому +350

    Fun fact, the "Tell me, Athena, why you came to my aid" is in the same melody as a _Polites_ line from a cut song, Ismarus
    "What keeps you up so late at night, my friend?"

    • @kabartmatozu3791
      @kabartmatozu3791 2 місяці тому +16

      I KNEW I KNEW I KNEW THAT I REMEMBER THAT MELODY FROM SOMEWHERE

    • @kabartmatozu3791
      @kabartmatozu3791 2 місяці тому +11

      I KEPT SINGING THAT PART JUST TO REMEMBER WHERE I HEARD IT FROM DUDEEEE THANK YOU SO MUCH

    • @Nickys_Corner
      @Nickys_Corner 2 місяці тому +3

      I KNEW IT I THOUGHT IT SOUNDED FAMILIAR

    • @kabartmatozu3791
      @kabartmatozu3791 2 місяці тому +2

      @@Nickys_Corner IKR???

    • @BB_Creative
      @BB_Creative Місяць тому +1

      STOP IT STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!!!

  • @NickiPlague
    @NickiPlague 2 місяці тому +107

    The editor's "You have a sword?? Who gave you a weapon?" Had me WHEEZING! I am literally crying with laughter! Oh Gods that got me!

  • @SATURNS_OCEAN
    @SATURNS_OCEAN 2 місяці тому +459

    "I'll fight them-"
    I can just imagine mortius in a court with the suitors. ALSO THE ' YOuR sTOOpid. ' MADE ME WHEEZZEEEEEE

    • @GleamDrawz
      @GleamDrawz Місяць тому +10

      Respectfully, he’d be beaten to a pulp worse than Telemachus 😭

  • @liacross1184
    @liacross1184 2 місяці тому +250

    I love how the entire EPIC fandom was ready to go to war when he called Penelope a tramp. 😂😂😂

    • @J.D.onthego
      @J.D.onthego 2 місяці тому +43

      I mean… majority of us probably will not be trained effective fighters, but… damn do we got numbers. 108 vs…. 100,000? Heh… I’ll take those odds. (Rummages around for a metal bowl to use as a helmet and a broom to sharpen into a spear…)

    • @BlueCookies1116
      @BlueCookies1116 2 місяці тому +10

      @@J.D.onthegodo you happen to have a spare metal bowl..?

    • @VegaTheLyra
      @VegaTheLyra 2 місяці тому +9

      I'll join you, now one second while I go raid the kitchen for weapons

    • @devinwhite5064
      @devinwhite5064 2 місяці тому +6

      @@J.D.onthego the intent but not the means to kill. I forget who I heard say that.

    • @ChristopherEscalona-x9p
      @ChristopherEscalona-x9p Місяць тому +3

      ​@J.D.onthego bro, you are really funny in the best way.

  • @r-171
    @r-171 2 місяці тому +91

    Some may have already pointed this out, but if you listen carefully in Little Wolf, you’ll notice that Antony’s places more emphasis on the ‘Little’ whenever he speaks in order to insult Telemachus, whereas Athena focuses far more on emphasising the ‘Wolf’ part, using it as a way for extra encouragement.

    • @vic-c2x
      @vic-c2x 2 місяці тому +21

      Honestly, even a little wolf will grow if left alive. That was their first mistake. Little wolf is still a predator no matter how small he may appear.

    • @vanillaextract4135
      @vanillaextract4135 2 місяці тому +9

      Oh my goodness I never noticed that! That’s so cool!!

  • @runicdreamer
    @runicdreamer 2 місяці тому +131

    I love the immediate "where is my sword?" to protect our boy telemachus. And then the shoe when Antinous starts to be more threatening, is so real

    • @terra4822
      @terra4822 Місяць тому +5

      Just wait till he sees "Hold them down" song.
      He is gonna lose his mind.

    • @ChaosRaccoonGremlin
      @ChaosRaccoonGremlin Місяць тому +4

      I was like "Oooh he grabbed the chonkla!"

  • @lowstamina_arts
    @lowstamina_arts 2 місяці тому +240

    If you listen when this part turns blue 7:49 it plays Athena’s theme in the background to hint that she’s listening or heard his calls! Also Telemachus is legit Disney princess stuck in their room in a castle wanting to explore the outside world! 😂

    • @Razdasoldier
      @Razdasoldier 2 місяці тому +6

      Nothing against you, but I hate your comment. Every time I open the comments on my phone your comment gets "recommended" making me hit your timestamp and resetting me back.

    • @vic-c2x
      @vic-c2x 2 місяці тому +10

      And one of the parents is missing 😂. Lol he got that from Ody, I can just imagine the two of them exploring the world after being freed. Penelope will have her hands full.

    • @lowstamina_arts
      @lowstamina_arts 2 місяці тому +2

      @@vic-c2x lmao 🤣

    • @lowstamina_arts
      @lowstamina_arts 2 місяці тому +3

      @@Razdasoldier I hate when UA-cam does stuff like that I’m sorry about that

    • @Razdasoldier
      @Razdasoldier 2 місяці тому +6

      @@lowstamina_arts No need to be sorry. It is why I explained at the start my gripe has 0% to do with you. UA-cam has gotten worse the more they try to fill the app space.

  • @YSAn-e3f
    @YSAn-e3f 2 місяці тому +80

    Fun fact, Jorge said that Antinous' music is a combo of electric guitar and trumpet, to show that he is trying to replace Ody and to remind us of Poseidon, another "villain"

  • @revenantravings
    @revenantravings 2 місяці тому +52

    Telemachus is 20, he was born before the war but was just a baby, so Ody never 'knew' him since he wasn't old enough to have a personality. Saving Telemachus is actually why Odysseus failed to dodge the draft, he tried to claim insanity by ploughing his field and planting salt, but Telemachus was placed in the path with the argument that if he was truly mad, an infant on the path wouldn't give him pause.

  • @blueteller
    @blueteller 2 місяці тому +98

    The convos between Mortius and his editor are gold lol
    Mason: "Let me see what you have"
    Mortius @ Antinous: "A sword!"
    Mason: "NO"

  • @CFEntertains
    @CFEntertains 2 місяці тому +616

    barney stinson cameo in epic was the best fr

    • @DrakeDragonton
      @DrakeDragonton 2 місяці тому +26

      Maybe I’ll understand with the premier

    • @IlieTornes
      @IlieTornes 2 місяці тому +16

      Is he referring to Antonius maybe? 🤔

    • @appleboiz7699
      @appleboiz7699 2 місяці тому +6

      @@DrakeDragonton hiiiii we were talking on gwendy's stream

    • @erosennin211
      @erosennin211 2 місяці тому +20

      @@DrakeDragontonit’s cause in the show How I Met Your Mother (where Barney Stinson is from) he has a catch phrase featuring the word Legendary. I’m gonna butcher it but something along the lines of: “This is gonna be Legen…wait for it…dary!”

    • @IlieTornes
      @IlieTornes 2 місяці тому +1

      @@erosennin211Omg and I love that show 🤦🏼‍♀️ I’m stupid

  • @apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595
    @apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 2 місяці тому +128

    The timeline is:
    10 years in Troy
    3 years at sea
    7 years at Calypso's island
    So yeah, 20 years Ody has been away from his kingdom, you can imagine why they're getting impatient when every other Greek hero has already returned to either rule or die in their land. Though it hasn't been 10 years since the events of Thunder Bringer, only 7 as mentioned at the start.

    • @Nisselak
      @Nisselak 2 місяці тому +2

      The crew also spends a whole year on Circe's island, so the years spent at sea would be only two

    • @apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595
      @apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 2 місяці тому +7

      @@Nisselak Well, not in Epic, they arrive at Circe's island and the events of the Circe Saga take place in no more than a few days.

    • @rhov-anion
      @rhov-anion 2 місяці тому +3

      I've been trying to tell people that "12 long years" is correct, but nooooooo they gotta harass him and gaslight him into thinking he made a mistake.

    • @Nisselak
      @Nisselak 2 місяці тому +2

      @@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 Even in Epic: in the Wisdom saga it is confirmed that 20 years have passed, the Trojan War lasted 10 and the imprisonment on the island of Calypso 7, so there are 3 years missing, one of which on the island of Circe

    • @apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595
      @apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 2 місяці тому +5

      @@Nisselak we have to presume in Epic they simply spent an extra year at sea. There is no way the events of Puppeteer until The Underworld took a whole year, unless Circe's island is simply ridiculous in size and Hermes really fucked around with bringing Ody to her palace.

  • @Emimilliemoo
    @Emimilliemoo 2 місяці тому +173

    Jorge is why we knew about the 'what you gonna do about it champ' he made a video talking about he's been constantly saying it to himself because of how satisfying it sounded

  • @Razdasoldier
    @Razdasoldier 2 місяці тому +45

    "If she won't choose a man to adorn her, we'll bring blood and tears" is both a statement that he will suffer to appease the anger and a foreshadowing that they are getting closer to SAing his mom.

  • @CyrahLia_459
    @CyrahLia_459 2 місяці тому +401

    Protect Telemachus, Athena, Penelope and Odysseus at ALL COSTS INDEED

    • @arynoob1392
      @arynoob1392 2 місяці тому +7

      are we sure athena needs protection (the rest make sense fr)

    • @ChaoticDoodle
      @ChaoticDoodle 2 місяці тому +7

      And -Polites- and -Eurylochus- and -Elpenor- and -Argos oh wait he’s still alive….
      (😭😭😭😭)

    • @CreatureCreations-
      @CreatureCreations- 2 місяці тому +5

      ​@@arynoob1392Oh no, we're protecting everyone else from her.

    • @doloresgronenberg5882
      @doloresgronenberg5882 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@arynoob1392, at least Athena as a goddess makes for a very good protection for them

    • @claran3616
      @claran3616 2 місяці тому +1

      Yes.

  • @pineappledi1801
    @pineappledi1801 2 місяці тому +46

    Nobody noticed Athena's melody after Telemachus' "someone give me a sign"🥺

    • @aadityayanamandra8846
      @aadityayanamandra8846 2 місяці тому +4

      Casper calls it out in his reaction lol

    • @pineappledi1801
      @pineappledi1801 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@aadityayanamandra8846 I was so happy that Casper did

  • @laurasibob1106
    @laurasibob1106 2 місяці тому +32

    "How did you all know"
    Time may be fast but this fandom is somehow faster.

    • @vic-c2x
      @vic-c2x 2 місяці тому +7

      But the fastest among as are the animators. I swear they don't sleep.

  • @annikathewitch3950
    @annikathewitch3950 2 місяці тому +141

    I've gotten to the point where when I was listening to the wisdom saga for the first time my first thought upon hearing some of the lyrics was "I can't wait to see Mortius react to this."

    • @freddieadams8435
      @freddieadams8435 2 місяці тому +11

      Especially THAT moment of Love in Paradise.

    • @justanaveragehumanbean
      @justanaveragehumanbean 2 місяці тому +11

      Yeah I can’t wait to see him lose his crap over Love in Paradise

    • @GleamDrawz
      @GleamDrawz Місяць тому

      It'll be so fun

  • @zeo4481
    @zeo4481 2 місяці тому +57

    Great to see Athena again.
    Hopefully nothing bad happens to her later down the line

  • @icemagiciangh
    @icemagiciangh 2 місяці тому +296

    Athena realizing her mistakes and crying about it on the balcony with Telemachus got my emotions flying in so many different directions. And having the WOTM theme play, then switch to Legendary? This saga is absolutely incredible, and broke me at the same time.

    • @Souru_TV
      @Souru_TV 2 місяці тому +18

      Same but maybe do a spoiler mention here for those who have not yet listened to the further songs

    • @icemagiciangh
      @icemagiciangh 2 місяці тому +7

      @@Souru_TV it switched to Legendary at the end of We’ll Be Fine. That’s what I’m referring to here

    • @SiIker.
      @SiIker. 2 місяці тому +14

      Spoiler question
      Am I the only one who feels like it's heavily implied Ody was forced to sleep with Calipso ? When she says "Come/climb to bed", is always near him and him being on the cliff at the end in so much pain. Like knowing the original I feel like it did happen here in the Musical-

    • @skyeperez8305
      @skyeperez8305 2 місяці тому +7

      @@SiIker.yeah… so for the musical it’s kept vague but that IS very likely what’s happened.

    • @ilikeswords5877
      @ilikeswords5877 2 місяці тому +13

      ⁠@@skyeperez8305I mean, that did happen in the actual odyssey, so I would say yes, that it did also happen in epic but just more vaguely

  • @tom101sdthebest2
    @tom101sdthebest2 2 місяці тому +35

    In legendary when he says “somebody tell come and give me a sign” the screen turns blue and you can hear the Athena motif in the backround nice little detail

  • @duckparadox
    @duckparadox 2 місяці тому +38

    Jorge made a short about the line "whatcha gonna do about it champ?" thats how everyone knew before the song released

  • @soccerwizard975
    @soccerwizard975 2 місяці тому +41

    So the suitors have been there basically since most warriors of Troy came home and Ody and crew never did, so it has been assumed he is dead. Since he was a king, a replacement is needed to marry his widow and become the new king. Since she's the Queen, she has a bit of agency in choice. If you've ever heard of a "Penelope's shroud", that is how she is stalling as is mentioned. She told the suitors who has overrun the palace waiting for a choice to be made that she would choose one of them once she completes weaving a burial shawl for her father in law. The cheeky part is that she would weave during the day and sneak back at night and undo her work for the day to prolong that decision date.

    • @jierlenejoitresvalles235
      @jierlenejoitresvalles235 2 місяці тому +4

      Ooooohhhhhh....So that's why in the lyrics of the song "challenge" (unreleasong by the way) is she sàid"they don't know, that every night, i unthread all the work i've done" she is so genius on that part. I didn't know this... The thing that she's on threading is a shawl .... I thought something else😅.but that is so cool

    • @carlycchapman
      @carlycchapman 2 місяці тому +6

      I mean, with that kind of deception, her and Ody are perfect for each other. 🤣 In all seriousness, Penelope is a BOSS

    • @ApartDragonFruit
      @ApartDragonFruit 15 днів тому +2

      The suitors didn't really start going to Ithaca and causing trouble until maybe year 16 or 17 I think it was in the original. No one would mess with Penelope while they knew Odysseus was still alive so they waited until they were completely sure he was dead and there was no sign of him anywhere. No one was really thinking about Ithaca right after the war ended as they buried their dead and recuperated from the war so it was a long time before they were like "omg where's Odysseus? We should go take his throne."
      It's also why they are so hostile towards Telemachus. By ancient Greece standards he was already a "man" when they got there, about 17 or 18. They see him as a Mama's Boy, just getting in the way of everything when he should already be gone and doing toehr things. He's also a threat because theoretically Penelope could decide to step down and give the throne to him instead of choosing a suitor like they want her too, though she'd never do that because they would probably kill him.
      The suitors would have never been capable of waiting the 20 years the epic fandom likes to say they waited. Even 3-4 years was a lot of them tbh.

  • @m-w-x8859
    @m-w-x8859 2 місяці тому +44

    Telemochus was born while Ody was still there, because in "Im just a Man" Ody says the baby is the same age a Telemochus was when Ody left. As a baby though, Telemochus doesn't remember "meeting" his dad

  • @united_dark746
    @united_dark746 2 місяці тому +21

    Fun fact translated Cerberus means in some ways spotted so Hades this giant dork called His 3 headed hellhound Spot and im laughing everytime thinking about it😂

  • @ellapowell1316
    @ellapowell1316 2 місяці тому +70

    YES!!! TELEMACHUS, THE GLORIOUS DISNEY PRINCESS MUST BE PROTECTED!!! Even though Antinous voice is sooo good. He's awful. I love him 😅

  • @kubranurerdem9196
    @kubranurerdem9196 2 місяці тому +26

    Your reaction to Antinous' existence is so relatable Lol. Though of course, he has one of the greatest vocals and song(s) of this musical. His voice is the perfect Disney villain voice. Because there's this rule: Villains always have the best songs.

    • @rhov-anion
      @rhov-anion 2 місяці тому +4

      Like fire, Hellfire!
      Be prepaaaaaaared

  • @abthedragon4921
    @abthedragon4921 2 місяці тому +39

    Little Wolf leaning so heavily into that older video game theme for the animatic was sick as heck!

  • @justanaveragehumanbean
    @justanaveragehumanbean 2 місяці тому +132

    SO excited for this but also so excited to see you lose your s*** over Love in Paradise and possibly God Games
    I know I did 😂
    Also We’ll Be Fine is so wholesome and is up there with Open Arms with my favorites

    • @adamsfamily286
      @adamsfamily286 2 місяці тому +9

      Fr, "We'll be fine" almost made me cry 😂😂

    • @Noveltea1113
      @Noveltea1113 2 місяці тому +1

      @@adamsfamily286and the vocals are so beautiful 😭

    • @qwerty_qwerty
      @qwerty_qwerty 2 місяці тому +3

      everyone says we'll be fine is their least favorite of the wisdom saga like WHAT I love it so much I'm tearing up listening to it

    • @BianaAmberlyVacker
      @BianaAmberlyVacker 2 місяці тому +1

      I cried so much in we'll be fine😭👍

    • @carlycchapman
      @carlycchapman 2 місяці тому

      @@adamsfamily286I did cry, a lot. 😅

  • @TotalBookworm57
    @TotalBookworm57 2 місяці тому +118

    I’m so excited to see Mortius go through the same pain we go through when Jorge releases new sagas!

    • @Isopodian_Commonwealth
      @Isopodian_Commonwealth 2 місяці тому +18

      Jorge is a snake and we willingly drinking the venom because tastes good but kills you in 52 minutes.

  • @Friendly_Giant-qq7ez
    @Friendly_Giant-qq7ez 2 місяці тому +20

    20:28 Run man!! he pulled out the chancla!!!

  • @delrodriguez9422
    @delrodriguez9422 2 місяці тому +73

    I see you planning the debuts for the live streams 30mins apart so once your done with Mortius you can see Caspers reaction I see you

    • @gjc2023
      @gjc2023 2 місяці тому +1

      Right? I was curious why Casper's was very specific time

  • @02len18
    @02len18 2 місяці тому +19

    To add on to the spoiler at 9:32
    Penelope hosts a challenge for the suitors to string up Odysseus’s recurve bow that he didn’t bring to war since it was a present and shoot it through twelve axe heads. Said bow had a ridiculous draw strength so none of them didn’t even stringed it. Then Odysseus, disguised as a beggar, takes on the challenge and easily strings and shoots through the twelve axes while revealing himself in the process. He and Telemachus engaged in much needed father-son bonding by killing most of the suitors.
    Personally, I’m interested in seeing how EPIC would do this part

    • @lydiavalentino
      @lydiavalentino Місяць тому

      Ah, another OSP fan. I believe that's gonna be shown in the final saga

  • @narsils4shards
    @narsils4shards 2 місяці тому +12

    For the "What you gonna do about it champ?", Jorge made a video about how there are a lot of lines in the Wisdom saga that are delivered "so masterfully" it gets stuck in his head, then goes on to say how he's specifically thinking of that line.

  • @Nazrock12
    @Nazrock12 2 місяці тому +18

    28:00 Jus a little correction. Oddy did see Telemachus. "You're as old as he was, when I left for war."

  • @DelliGaming
    @DelliGaming 2 місяці тому +14

    Telemachus and Polities would've gotten along so well 😥
    Also did anyone warn him about the livestream hiccup in the middle of Love in Paradise?

  • @mikidarabos2357
    @mikidarabos2357 2 місяці тому +38

    20 years without a king is quite a reason for their impatient. Ody maybe should have left someone behind to control and protect his kingdom

    • @dragansnyder2786
      @dragansnyder2786 2 місяці тому +20

      I think he kind of did but they basically ignored it, and let's not forget the suitors aren't Noble they just each want to be the king (honestly I'm surprised the suitors were ever really United, considering they each want to be Penelope's husband, and there's 108 of them, seriously how did they ever manage to present a united front)

    • @TempestFNG
      @TempestFNG 2 місяці тому +8

      I thought that was Penelope's job?

    • @yuukinoyuki9064
      @yuukinoyuki9064 2 місяці тому +15

      ​@@dragansnyder2786 There are a lot of rules for hospitality baked into greek stories. i.e.) Since you can't even know if a god is present in disguise you can't ever turn away a guest. These rules trapped Penelope into accepting the suitors into her home and playing the host. These same rules forbade the suitors from killing each other in their hosts home.
      It was less a united front and more of a, "follow the laws."

    • @dragansnyder2786
      @dragansnyder2786 2 місяці тому +4

      @@yuukinoyuki9064I'm also pretty sure that there's something in the Greek rules of hospitality about not waddington murder the man who would hypothetically play the head of the household (thank you for providing that little bit of context, it just kind of surprises me because they probably are held together in that way by the hospitality laws, but then these men constantly bluster about how if Odysseus dares to come back into his own house they're going to kill him because there's more of them, and as far as I can tell Odysseus doesn't exactly just start murdering people when he gets home, I think it's more like they realized who he was and tried to kill him and then he started dropping them, right?

    • @yuukinoyuki9064
      @yuukinoyuki9064 2 місяці тому

      @@dragansnyder2786 So, there's actually no blustering about killing Ody. They all 100% believe Odysseus is dead, it's been 10 years since everyone else returned from the war and the last anyone heard Odysseus' ships were seen off the shores of Ithaca and were then swallowed up by a giant storm. His own mother was so convinced of his death that she killed herself (hence why we see her in the underworld.) Recall the prophet's line; "I see your palace, covered in red/faces of men who had long believed you're dead."
      A lot of their anger is that Penelope keeps using tricks to prolong making a choice, which - because they're convinced Odysseus is dead - reads like a slap in the face.
      There is blustering about killing Telemachus, but that's more because as he ages he becomes a threat to their chance at the throne. But even then, they wouldn't outright kill him and envoke the wrath of the gods, (hence letting him live following 'Little Wolf') they'd make it look like an accident, or force him to break the rules first.
      As for Odysseus' return I don't mind sharing but SPOILERS for anyone reading who wants to go in blind.
      In the Odyssey, Odysseus sneaks into his Kingdom dressed as an old man. His wife has put together one last stall, saying she'll marry the man who can string her husband's old hinting bow and soot through several tiny rings. Everyone fails and says it's impossible, but then an old man steps up, easily strings the bow, and makes the shot. He then drops his hood and reveals to everyone that it's Odysseus returned.
      Man then goes on an absolute murder spree just slaughtering every suitor in his home. So any token fight by the suitors at that point are done in response to the literal arrows of death being rained down on them, lol.

  • @fernandonava6693
    @fernandonava6693 2 місяці тому +14

    16:19 I love how Mourtius wants beef with a fictional character 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
    Also Mourtius:Who you think you are? Kratos?

  • @beeshark222
    @beeshark222 2 місяці тому +10

    “How did you all know that before the livestream???”
    jorge.

  • @diamonddestroyers9238
    @diamonddestroyers9238 2 місяці тому +5

    The fact that the line is "Fight LITTLE WOLF" When earlier posiedon said "Guess the pack of wolves is swimming with the shark now." The callback from that was crazy

  • @neonplural
    @neonplural 2 місяці тому +28

    Can't wait to see Casper get to *that part* of Love in Paradise

  • @hindymarkowitz1340
    @hindymarkowitz1340 2 місяці тому +27

    Long live Telemachus, the future king of Ithaca! And may he live to slay his enemies just as his father did before him!

  • @akaittou
    @akaittou 2 місяці тому +11

    Wisdom Saga actually living to its name with Athena showing some character growth and gaining of wisdom.
    Also... in the last saga it has been 12-ish years, and this one started with a splash screen saying "7 years later", Mortius... and Telemachus was a baby when Odysseus left, so he's somewhere in the 20-22 range. Remember "You're as old as he was when I left for war" in Just a Man

  • @everythingisvision
    @everythingisvision 2 місяці тому +16

    Telemachus was born before Odysseus left but he was only a few months old.

  • @sandybeach12
    @sandybeach12 2 місяці тому +13

    The "DAS MY GIRRL!!!" At the beginning was absolutely hilarious I can't😂😂😂😂😂

  • @someoneistired7405
    @someoneistired7405 2 місяці тому +8

    Broskis I've been listening to this entire saga on repeat and I can't believe it took me watching this video to realize Athena was present the entire time during legendary! She appears when telempchus says "someone give me a sign" brilliant

  • @ilikeswords5877
    @ilikeswords5877 2 місяці тому +9

    10:41 ah yes, the Odyssey starring: wet Hades, Posiren, Temelonchus and Teagan Earley as divine sugar mama

  • @godduck701
    @godduck701 2 місяці тому +8

    18:00 "if i fight this monster is it you ill find". What i love about this line is we know Odysseus is becoming the monster to get home.

  • @ChuM00n_
    @ChuM00n_ 2 місяці тому +7

    Athena went from Divine Sugar Momma to Divine Rich Aunty

  • @varafluffy4928
    @varafluffy4928 2 місяці тому +8

    16:15 “where’s my sword!” YES this is the first video I’ve watched yours and I loved your vibe since the beginning BUT YES! THIS! I LOVE IT! FUCK HIM UP!

  • @originlostborn369
    @originlostborn369 2 місяці тому +6

    Telemachus was actually born before Odysseus went to war. Funnily enough, they never mentioned how Agammemnon tried to stab him as a baby to get Odysseus into the boats for war

  • @Aestraelescent
    @Aestraelescent 2 місяці тому +25

    WHY DID YOU HAVE TO MAKE US WAIT?! WHHYYYYYYYY????!!!!!! 😫
    But regardless I can’t wait to see your reaction!! I guarantee you’ll absolutely love them!! I’m so excited for this hehe!! 🤩

  • @tiredcosplay6538
    @tiredcosplay6538 Місяць тому +3

    Telemachus was about 1 month old when Odysseus left. That is according to the book “The Children’s Homer”

  • @elizabethrocks4702
    @elizabethrocks4702 2 місяці тому +5

    I know you split these up for more videos but I would 100% watch an hour or 2 compilation of you reacting to the whole saga, the wait is just torture 😭

  • @Katie-gw2it
    @Katie-gw2it 2 місяці тому +5

    The whatcha gonna do about it meme is because Jorge posted a tiktok talking about how amazing the line is said in the song and it just became a meme

  • @EpicRandomness555
    @EpicRandomness555 Місяць тому +1

    Something I love about Little Wolf is that in Ruthless, Poseidon calls Odysseus and his men a “pack of wolves” so if Ody is a wolf, then that makes Telemachus a little wolf.

  • @yoannbelleville7763
    @yoannbelleville7763 2 місяці тому +8

    Mortius: I'm so glad Athena is back.
    Me: 😈😈😈

  • @sebastiansepulveda547
    @sebastiansepulveda547 2 місяці тому +5

    1:25 well I don’t know, Jorge released a short celebrating Wisdom saga getting 10million streams in 4 days, so I think he’ll be fine with me watching this stream reaction

  • @andronixbegayaf
    @andronixbegayaf 2 місяці тому +5

    28:30 actually he did 'meet' him. Telemachus was actually historically the reason why Odysseus went to war. Ody was pretending to be mad because he didn't want to go. Another guy who's name im forgetting rn(something starting with a P that isn't Polites) threatened to kill Telemachus to prove Odysseus hasn't lost his mind, which worked

  • @J-i8d
    @J-i8d Місяць тому +3

    Jorge made a tiktok about "watcha gonna do about it champ" before the stream

  • @VintKnight
    @VintKnight 2 місяці тому +8

    Funny thing about Telemachus name, it literally means "far from battle"

  • @AUCreatoer
    @AUCreatoer 2 місяці тому +15

    Telemachus is so precious omg, I love him sm

  • @LoerisOtter
    @LoerisOtter 2 місяці тому +4

    About "Whatcha gonna do about it champ" - Jorge talked about that line in one of his shorts and about how badass it sounds

  • @R4Y_THER4T
    @R4Y_THER4T 2 місяці тому +2

    “THAT’S MEH GIRLLL” Got me laughing so hard!! And the way you took off the headphones made me crying laughing

  • @HelloThere-.-
    @HelloThere-.- 2 місяці тому +5

    Athena just got upgraded to Cool Single Owl-Lady Aunt

  • @Starryflame
    @Starryflame 2 місяці тому +2

    This is a good birthday present. I was so excited to see your reactions to the official animatics :D

  • @GrayLou
    @GrayLou 2 місяці тому +5

    Mason's notes absolutely killed me in this one. 😂

  • @loganfrandrup6590
    @loganfrandrup6590 2 місяці тому +2

    Tel: "108 old faces of men who call me small"
    Mort: "I'll fight'm!"
    😊

  • @cookie_rush5286
    @cookie_rush5286 2 місяці тому +5

    28:05 Ody stated in ‘I’m just a man’ that the infant was the same age as Telemachus when Odysseus left for war so Telemachus is probably like 20-23

  • @Freya-mj6bz
    @Freya-mj6bz 2 місяці тому +4

    In the song legendary while the lyric "come and give me a sign" 7:46 plays you can hear the theme from Warrior of the mind in the Background and i think thats really cool

  • @randomaussieguy5206
    @randomaussieguy5206 2 місяці тому +17

    NOOOOO! 26hrs well might as well put my Comment down now love the songs love you always listening to Le songs hope you like these songs as much as I did

  • @JMJH1000
    @JMJH1000 Місяць тому +2

    The reason why it’s 20 years is because Telemachus and Penelope have not seen him since he sailed to go and do the Trojan war. The Trojan war itself took 10 years and then it took another 10 years for Odysseus to sail from Troy back to Ithaca. so when he tells Circe that it’s been 12 long years he’s counting the Trojan war.

  • @Kayley199514
    @Kayley199514 Місяць тому +2

    He's got a sword ... HE'S GOT A SWOOORD!!!

  • @LilacDoodle505
    @LilacDoodle505 2 місяці тому +10

    That title is exactly how I feel about Telemachus lol

  • @b3thy_j0y
    @b3thy_j0y Місяць тому +2

    I love how mason says ‘it did say 7 years later at the start of the video’ cause I was thinking the same thing 🤣🤣

  • @riduanaqil1452
    @riduanaqil1452 Місяць тому +1

    In Legendary the lines "Bring the world some light" and "Where is the man who'll have you to wife" is a reference to two songs that got cut called Into The Light and Man of The House
    Also, in Mutiny Eurolychus said "If you want the power you gotta carry all the blame" which is a reference too the song City of Ismaris

  • @petitgrandjeunearbre4290
    @petitgrandjeunearbre4290 2 місяці тому +1

    Mortius, your reaction to wisdom saga is litteraly the best gift for my birthday thank you

  • @anniefemmas5097
    @anniefemmas5097 2 місяці тому +3

    "She need a new Warriors" no, She just wants a friend

  • @DelliGaming
    @DelliGaming 2 місяці тому +5

    17:15 Jorge told us😊

  • @shadowcatX2000
    @shadowcatX2000 Місяць тому +1

    One thing I never thought about before, but just occurred to me as I'm rewatching this video, there's been another reference to wolves in Epic...

  • @Gray429
    @Gray429 2 місяці тому +3

    24:44 reminds me so much of Yu-Gi-Oh. Gives me Pharaoh Atem taking over Yugi vibes, especially with the games aesthetic

  • @druesimpson1137
    @druesimpson1137 Місяць тому +1

    I love that they were going to push through into the room but he fought hard enough to make them see he isnt just a waste

  • @meatloaf5011
    @meatloaf5011 2 місяці тому +5

    I though he noticed 8:26 athenas theme here😂

  • @esbeng.s.a9761
    @esbeng.s.a9761 Місяць тому +1

    So the dog who got winded in the legendary song is Ody's old dog (spooiler)
    who reconines Ody when he returns just to die

  • @moondusty_
    @moondusty_ Місяць тому +4

    So funny greek person insight the name Antinous in greek is a mix of two words "anti" and "nous". The word "nous" in greek means brain. Therefore the name Antinous means anti brain aka stupid. It fits him very well. 💖