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I'm so excited for your collab channel!!! I've really been enjoying those! Btw, dont know if you've seen this yet, but Gigi released a full animatic for There Are Other Ways! If you've already seen it then thats Great!! but if you havent yet, might be a good animatic to react to on the new channel? I think it might be one of Gigi's best animatics YET!! Anyways lol, hope you're enjoying you're day so far, great reaction vid! ☺
Oooooh so it all connects! Siren song = I see a song of past romance Scylla Throat = I see the sacrifice of man Mutiny = I see portrayals of betrayal Lighting Bolt = And a brother's final stand
I personally think that "portrayal of betrayal" is odysseus sacrificing 6 of his men because he betrayed his crew, while "a brother's final stand" is eurylochus taking a "final stand" against odysseus because they call each other brother all the time
i see it more as fallows I see a song of past romance: sirens i see the sacrifice of man: scylla i see portrayals of betrayals: mutiny and a brothers final stand: the specific part of mutiny where ody is begging to not kill the cows i see you on the brink of death: his choice between himself and his crew i see you draw your final breath:?
I assume the siren told Odysseus the truth because: 1. She was sure he was under her spell and about to be eaten, so why bother trying to make up another lie on the spot to a dead man? 2. It might be a point of pride for her kind. If they are known to have such broad awareness of the sea, then it might be something she was happy to display when asked.
In the Myths the Sirens would tell you whatever you desire most, which would be a way home in at this moment. People often forget that the Sirens aren't some pretty Mermaids that the sailors just follow cause they are pretty and say _you want some?_ The Sirens sing about your direct desires, so one might hear about GTA6, while another hears them sing about food, and Ody who wants a way home and his family, hears them sing about a way home.
Funfact: Song 21 and 22 were kept a secret from us FOR YEARS, we didn't even knew what their names were or what they were about BECAUSE This are NOT events that happend in the actual Odyssey. So, you can imagine the Winions surprise when song 21 was SUFFERING! An assumed Cut-out song that the only snippet we had from the chorus was YEARS ago!😆
Jorge even said Sirens were cut. And then we got sirens. Jorge just didn't clarify which kind of sirens we were getting lol. In the Odyssey they are bird sirens but they are portrayed as fish sirens here
@@shengdonglin4368 SPOILERS FOR FUTURE SONGS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It's the same melody as "Keep your heads down, he's aiming for the torches" from the King Odysseus song. Some people started interpreting this as Monster!Odysseus melody.
Poseidon isn't scared of Scylla. His daughter who got turned into a Sea Monster is directly next door to Scylla, and he blames himself for Zeus turning her into a monster
I interpreted it as Poseidon being ashamed and sorry for Charbydis' transformation and didn't want to step on her (metaphorical) tail and enter the territory he had given her or sth. Edit: she got turned cuz she sided with Poseidon in a feud against Zeus for more territory.
I really love "we are the man-made monsters" as a line. Every other monster they've faced was made by a god. Polyphemus is Poseidon's son, Circe is a goddess, Poseidon is a god himself, Scylla is the way she is because of godly intervention. Even Troy Saga Odysseus was a monster made by gods, in that he did what he did at Athena and Zeus's demand. But now, the crew have faced so much trouble that they have become monsters- this time with no god to make that happen.
@@awildnoviceappears I like that there's this double meaning to it, especially in the last chorus where it's ""He" instead of "We." In addition to the usual meaning of man-made where they're not natural or divinely made monsters, there's also the reading of "a man made monster" as "a man made into a monster" playing into the recurring line.
In the Percy Jackson book Sea of Monsters Annabeth told us how Sirens reveal unspoken truths to those who listen to their songs. It's how Annabeth found her fatal flaw
Yeah, and I think they also say that sirens sing about the thing you want most in the world, and the thing Odysseus wants most in the world is to get home, so it makes sense that that's what the sirens would tell him is true.
Unfortunately, that part of the sirens song is only in the p.j. booka. Originally, they only sing about your desires, enticing you with them so all regards to caution and your own safety are lost. Leading you to getting shipwrecked and easy food for them
“I made a mistake like this, it almost cost my life” notice how Ody isn’t actually thinking of the men who actually got killed by his move. He’s completely focused on himself getting home at this point
True, but remember he was the only one approached by Athena to kill the cyclops and he alone refused. It was not a joint decision amongst the crew, only his.
@@zoerose6194 I think what op means is that, in earlier songs Odysseus was always talking about his men's lives being at stake, but here he says "it almost cost me MY life". The decision was made by him and before he would've reflected on how it got his men killed, but now we see him focusing on his own survival which gives us a glimpse of his changed mindset here
It’s good build up for why the men would start a mutiny. Odysseus has become so focused on getting home he’s a one-track mind, anything that gets in his way has to go, even if that includes the lives of his men.
I would like to mention that Different Beasts starts in the same way as Polyphemus (the song), with an arrow being shot, but where Polyphemus was spared, the sirens weren't
If you listen to the guitar plucks in the instrumental, it’s also very similar to the part in Polyphemus where Odysseus is trying to bargain for their lives.
@@JohnDoe-tt5qc Not only just instrumentals but I believe that 19:21 and the rest of that part IS the same vocal melody as "There's been a misunderstanding/we never came here to steal/but now that i see we've done some damage..." And onward
The choruses of the crew while Odysseus is singing "Kill them all!" in Different Beast are the same as they sing during the fight with Polyphemus in Survive!
It feels like Ody plays a little hypothetical and she answers with the typical _oh now_ that you get when the other person doesn't really get into it but tries to engage
I believe the reason Ody thought the siren would be truthful to his questioning on a route back home was because, if she truly believed that he was being controlled by her song then he was going to die so why waste extra effort to think about a lie for a route avoiding Poseidon.
So, now that this is released, I can share this!!! Back in the Underworld Saga, during the song 'No Longer You', Jorge revealed what PART of the choir was singing behind the Prophet. It was actually references to The Thunder Saga!! - Siren Song! - Scylla Throat! - Mutiny! - Lightning Bolt!
the whole "poseidon is scared of scylla" is an EPIC-original idea, but it does hold true to greek mythology; the gods were immortal and all, but could absolutely be hurt and/or poisoned by some monsters.
I think that one of the reasons that Poseidon dosent wanna go there is also because hes still grieving his daughter (aka charybdis or however shes spelled whos also there with scylla) bc she was turned into a horrible monster with no awareness of her soroundings. Poseidon dosent want to go near there so he dosent get reminded of that Sorry if thats wrong actually i just heard a few other people talk about that :>
Gonna be honest, I just assumed Scylla was yet another woman Poseidon used to date and he didn't want to run into his ex because that's always really awkward.
In some myths, Scylla was born from Amphitrite, Poseidon's wife. Whether or not Scylla's dad is Poseidon or Poseidon's son, Triton, is still a point of contention
According to Circe in "Odyssey" even the gods avoiding Scylla. "Inside lives Skylla, yelping hideously; her voice is no deeper than a young puppy's but she herself is a fearsome monster; no one could see her and still be happy, not even a god if he went that way (...) Self-willed man , is your mind then set on further perils, fresh feats of war? Will you not bow to the deathless gods themselves? Skylla is not of mortal kind; she is a deathless monster, grim and baleful, savage, not to be wrestled with. Against her there is no defence, and the best path is the path of flight".
A fun fact about "suffering" is that in the Odyssey, Odysseus knew about the sirens beforehand and had his crew plug theirs ears. However, odysseous decided to keep his ears open and vulnerable to the sirens, in another display of his hubris, and his constant mission to prove his strength
He also had them bind him to the mast so that he wouldn't jump overboard. Honestly wish Jay had gone with that. But there have been some animators including that detail
Yeah, it really does show his hubris,. Even better the original song of the sirens was about his own greatness to tempt him lol., they weren’t pretending to be his wife or singing about his wife lol,
@@loftydabird54I personally am glad he didn't, because the Odysseus of Epic is obviously very different from the one of the Odyssey. It would've felt really out of character for this Odysseus to do that "Just because", since he has arguably never been motivated by his hubris so far. Even telling the cyclop his name was more to spite Athena and her philosophy, after she insulted the death of his friends, all for the sake of honour. It was a stupid decision, but definitely not one born of Hubris or pride here, but rather of a slight leading to shortsighted-ness.
Odysseus did that so the rest of the crew would know when it was safe to take out their beeswax. By paying attention to Odysseus' reactions (especially when he stops visibly yelling and screaming) they would know that they're out of earshot of the sirens otherwise they wouldn't know when to unplug their ears.
Fun Fact: Jorge partially revealed what the backing vocal spirits are saying in "No Longer You" & all of them relate to the thunder saga; the 1st four are "Siren's Song", "Scylla Throat", "Mutiny" & "Lightning Bolt" - it's awesome!
Jay just uploaded a video about Suffering explaining how the sirens work. Here's some fun facts! - The siren can read Odysseus' memories a bit since her music techically reached his ears, allowing her to figure out how to lure him into the water - But because Odysseus cannot hear the siren, she misreads his memories, like when she says 'come play with me and our *daughter*.' - Penelope, like all the characters, had a certain instrument, the Viola. But it's never present in Suffering. But you know what is? Polities instrument! (😢) - When the siren explains how Poesidon will chase Odysseus, it's the same melody from when Zeus tells Odysseus that the baby will tear down his throne and all that
"He would chase you high and low" is in the same note as "He would burn your house and home" (not sure abt the lyrics) in The Horse and The Infant, same goes for the proceeding lyrics
It's "will" instead of "would". The Siren is saying "Poseidon won't stop, so go somewhere he won't" while Zeus is saying "You don't do this, you're gonna die when he comes seeking vengeance once he's grown up."
@@Scar-Predator oh, yeah. I'm not really sure abt the lyrics because i forget them (even though I listen to them non-stop lmao) but yeah, even the simple difference of tenses really changes the perspective of something. so genius!
As for the siren speaking truthfully, it's just easier to tell the truth than to lie. If she was going to lure Odysseus into the water to kill him anyway, why bother lying and risking being caught in the lie?
I just wanted to say this bc I haven’t seen anyone else point it out directly, but it’s so cool that the siren “penelope” ‘s instrument is the other sirens voices.
i think it's so funny that multiple people have heard the "Come play with me and our Daughter!" line and instantly went "wait does Odysseus have a daughter? since when???" instead of clocking it as mistake on the Siren's part
21:20 Mythologically speaking, the sirens (and other monsters that don't have frequent human contact) have very poor social intelligence. They are typically portrayed as acting instinctively, just barely above animal intelligence. The siren is probably baffled why Odysseus isn't lunch yet and the whole conversation is metaphorically kicking the vending machine to make the candy bar fall down. The amount of thinking that would go into 1) understanding that Odysseus might be lying or hiding his true intentions 2) understanding why he's asking these questions 3) constructing a subversive narrative that sounds like what he wants but isn't true and 4) doing all this on the fly without the very socially intelligent Odysseus noticing is just beyond the capacity you would expect isolated monsters to have. Odysseus probably thought it was worth a shot and that he could tell if they did try to lie because they would do it with the social graces of a toddler.
Yep! In most forms of lore for Sirens, they often drown their victims after causing them to crash their ships against rocks or making the crew jump ship to reach them.
In some of the myths, sirens were fated to die if someone heard their singing and escaped them, and that after Odysseus passed by they therefore flung themselves into the water and perished.
Songs 21 and 22 were especially hidden by the entire Epic community due to the fact that i think because it had to deal with sirens and all that, they were kept a secret till the release :3 Also! It was confirmed by Jay that he wants Eurylochus to have a huge sword to be apart of his costume!
I feel that the reason the sirens told him how to escape is because of pride they believe that all the men on his crew will die so they see no issue in just telling him how to escape
AHHHH I LOVED WATCHING YOUR REACTIONS!! When I first heard Suffering I was literally in the same boat (no pun intended of) “Penelope POV? Wait, no not daughter? Huh??” HAHAHA
My way of thinking of how he knew she was telling the truth is by pretending to be tranced by the song and that they were Penelope. Would definitely sell to a siren especially if she was sympathetic towards Odysseus. Kinda like how villains think they are gonna kill the main character so they reveal the secret plan
So a few things that I've noticed and have been mentioned for these two songs. Suffering: 1. The Song opens to synth beats and distorted voice, hinting to this Penelope being synthetic. This is further hinted at as she has singers to harmonize with, Her siren sisters. 2. The lines "I Could/Can/Will take the suffering from you." Has several meanings, firstly is Penelope could sooth Odysseus's suffering. Second, the Siren can end Odysseus's suffering by killing him. And thirdly, the Siren will take on suffering by the hands of Odysseus and his crew in the end though she doesn't yet know it. Different Beast: 1. The line "we are the ones who feast now." is not only mocking the Sirens for getting caught, but is a callback to Polyphemus who was going to make a feast of Odysseus and crew. 2. The Shift from the word We, to He for the last chorus may be foreshadowing for what is to happen next, in Monster Odysseus stipulates "If I became the monster to everyone but us..." but now his crew is singling him out as The man made monster." making it pretty clear what choices he's going to make in the future.
11:44 In Greek Mythology, when you go to the Underworld it is not automatically "Hell", but they had to go to the Underworld to find out how to return home and avoid Poseidon, so when they literally found out that the prophet would not help them, Odysseus realized that if he wanted to return home he must become a "Monster" and bypass obstacles without mercy, and when they came out of the Underworld they entered the waters of the sirens, and Poseidon probably knows that, and thinks that they will take care of Odysseus, but Odysseus was ready, and got the information where to go where Poseidon will not follow, so this was the plan to get around him.
21:31 She wants to trick him. Giving people what they want is one of the easiest ways. Also, if he was under her spell, her guard would be down because it wouldn’t matter what she says he’d just hang onto every word.
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS, also Anna Lea is the one playing Penelope!, she sounds absolutely beautiful in this saga, and she was in Keep Your Friends Close only when Ody was daydreaming!
I feel like the change in odysseus's voice comes both from him now embracing a monsterous ruthlessness, but also from the satisfied smugness of tricking and outwitting a normally deadly encounter for any other sailor
The reason eurilicyes sword is like that is because Jorge once said he always imagined him having a giant sword like in anime. So now everyone gives him one
18:37 Eurylochus having a big sword became cannon as a joke. The is a Tick Toc of Jorge and Eurylochus's voice actor Armando fighting with sticks on a beach with the song mutiny playing. Armando had a much bigger stick, and a bunch of comments were joking about Eurylochus having a giant sword.
MORTIUS, YOU DIDNT CATCH SOMETHING!! In Different beast at the end, they are humming the tune from Remember them when he is telling the cyclops who he is
I think the siren figured, "You're not leaving alive, so it doesn't matter if I tell you the truth or not." Which makes sense because usually, no one can resist their song.
@officialmortius hey thanks for the heart! i know it’s a bit unlikely you’ll see this, but I love your reactions and all of your videos so much. they are really entertaining and you are probably one of my favorite youtubers! you really make the epic community just that much more.. well, epic! it means a lot that you saw my comment so I thought id give you a quick hello to let you know your videos always make my day! :)
Oh my god, you cracked Penelope being a siren so fast, I’m impressed! I was so out of whack due to not knowing if it was supposed to be a flashback or not, or what the location was, to really get it until the end of the song 😭 I mean, I got that it wasn’t her at the daughter mention, but her specifically being a siren took another while for me to get haha. The siren is indeed voiced by the same actress as Penelope. And seriously, Anna Lea is such a wonderful singer!! I’m so excited for more Penelope songs. I remember hearing a snippet of a future song a while ago now and it was absolutely heavenly, and I cannot wait for the full thing
The worst part about the sirens is that they're doomed to perish if someone hears their song and survives it. That's why the "cut off their tails" isn't in the Odyssey, because Odysseus doesn't cover his ears with beeswax and is able to hear the song tied up to the ship's mast, therefore the sirens die once the crew past by. Since in Epic all of them cover their ears, this is the way Jorge found to kill the sirens.
A thing I saw from another commenter on another channel which I forgot so credit to them. Poseidon would be "scared" of the lair of Scylla because that is where Charybdis lies as well. And it just so happens that Charybdis was a nymph daughter of his who was transformed into a horrible monster for reasons I forgot right now. So he would not wander around out of grief, as much as he can grief lmao. In any case I really liked this take so I'm putting it here. Again credits to the person who made the comment !
There are many reasons but the main one was that she would drown islands to expand her father's domain. There also is another myth where Scylla was actually a nymph who Poseidon courted before his future wife cursed her.
@jasonsmith6219 Thank you, I could not remember for the life of me. I also did not know about this myth, I'm more familiar with the Circe bit. Which begs the question why isn't Charybdis in the Thunder Saga. Spoiler : I know she appears later when Odysseus finally leaves Calypso's Island which in a way makes sense because if I remember correctly her island isn't far from Scylla and Charybdis.
@SiIker. Because, there's no way that Odysseus' ship would survive that encounter. You'd need a smaller vessel to have any hope of riding the edge of her whirlpool
I love how unserious the first song was (unironically also called "Suffering" lmao) while the second was straight up a mass murder Also, I think that the lowest harmony in that crew vocal is Ayron Alexander, who voices Perimedes (the 3rd most important person in Odysseus' crew lmao) and also will voice another important character later on. Perimedes was best friends with Elpenor, who sadly died, and nobody noticed (he died, and nobody cared [he drank wine from a chalice, atop of Circe's Palace, he fell and broke his neck in shame]) Umm but anyways, maybe since he's grieving a dead friend (who canonically is voiced by Luke "Zeus" Holt!!) his voice is much lower and more somber than his previous appearances.
I thought that Luke Holt was the deep voice, because Perimedes' voice in Keep Your Friend Closer is higher than Elpenor's (Perimedes sang the "captain what's happening" part, while Elpenor joined in "what's trapped in that bag")
@@willew64 Yeah but Luke said he has to uncomfortably deepen his voice to create the Zeus voice, and naturally his voice is higher, while when I watched some of Ayron's livestreams, he can comfortably get down there too, while still having those rock tenor high notes. He's very versatile. And also, from what I've heard, Luke isn't part of the Epic Ensemble that does the crew voices, but Ayron is. Though one other person who it could be is Earl Gresham Jr. who is in the Ensemble, and plays Ares, since he also has a lower voice.
I watched the live stream so it isn’t new to me, but I just want to see your reaction. Honestly, I paid attention more to the animatics then lyrics because I knew what would happen later on. But still excited for your reaction
my guess for why he expected the sirens to be truthful about the route is that in some mythos, the sirens sing about what you desire to lure you. Ody tricks the siren to sing about the route to get home as by making it clear that was his desire
Fun fact: scylla is Poseidon's ex lover ,they broke up after a curse was placed on her and she turned into the monster she is now ,but it's kind funny to think Poseidon is scared of him ex
It wasn’t Poseidon. It was Glaucos, the mortal circe turned into a god. Poseidon’s daughter who was also turned into a monster is right next door to scylla. And he feels bad for her transformation. Hope this helps!
Actually you are right in some versions its Poseidon who’s with Scylla. Fun thing about Greek Myth is that there is no definitive Depends on the story she is either Born a monster Love of Glaucus and turned into a monster by jealous Circe Lover of Poseidon who got turned into a monster by jealous Amphitrite Her parentage swings wildly. We’ve got Hecate, Poseidon, Apollo, Sea nymphs, Oceanids, etc. Nothing is consistent! :D
Oh it's amazing that you were able to get to react to the live stream, that's so awesome! I soooo hope you'll react to more animatics down the line too. Neal Illustrator's Thunderbringer is amazing for that! Excited to see your thoughts on all the coming songs
The reason Odysseus doesn't always know the exact amount of time they've been gone is because Polities was the one who kept track of the time (And bc Jorge messed up hehe)
28:15 OMG did anyone notice the lyric changed from (He/We) (is/are) the man made monster To (He/We) (is/are) the man-made monster There’s a hyphen now! Which means grammatically, the men are now talking about how Odysseus man-made himself into a monster unlike before where they were just saying they’ve turned into monsters.
@@officialmortiusnoooo, I’ve learned it was simply a typo on the livestream. It’s hyphened every time in the lyrics provided everywhere else. But it would’ve been a nice detail
21:33 Well the siren didn't have any reason to lie to him She couldn't care less if he evades Poseidon and reaches Ithaca. She just wanted him to stop yapping so she could have dinner. She could have never guessed he'd escape alive and have a use for that information
🧜♀Regarding the song of the Sirens, this may be original to Epic and inspired by Percy Jackson, since in the second book Annabeth tells us how the Sirens reveal unspoken truths to those who listen to their songs. That combined with the fact that mythologically the Sirens sing about your desires and want (Odysseus' want is to return home) can result in when they sing they cannot lie if you ask about something you desire and they know the answer, clearly if they don't we end up with a Telemachus who according to them is a girl. In summary: The mermaids sing about your wishes and unspoken truths that they know + Odysseus wants to return home and asks how to do it = The mermaid is sincere because she is singing an answer to something she knows and Odysseus wants, so that he enters the water and she can eat it😋
24:52 This line is so sad to me. 'Cause YES, him sparing Polyphemus is why all this is happening; HOWEVER, he also spared Circe and things turned out well (all things considered). It's just him becoming more and more jaded. Though like, comparing things to sirens, cyclopes are more similar to sirens then Circe is.
26:00 I just realized when listening closely there is a familiar voice that blends in with the crew much more deeper and it cuts off at "you are a threat no longer..." this gives me chills😢
Something I do wanna mention, at the very end of different beast the crew says ody's name unlike in every other song where they refer to him as "sir" or "captain". (SPOILERS BELOW FOR THE 4TH SONG OF THE THUNDER SAGA) In mutiny we hear Eurychus (idk how to spell his name) call him Ody... not sir, not captain, not even his full name... just Ody
Bold of you to assume i haven't been constantly listening to the new releases non stop since they dropped I recently discovered your channel and you have some of best reactions, I've been waiting for this!!
Ive been on listening and relistening to the Thunder saga on repeat for almost a week now, kid you not by day 3 im already humming melodies from the songs when i turn my music off 😅 Cant wait to see your reactions!! ✨️ see you tomorrow!
Also, about cutting their tails? Yeah, they can't technically swim without them but also you know what they said : "we are the ones who feast now" ? The top part of the siren is human, but the down part, the "tail"? Fish. Fair play for the table, that's the main reason to cut off tails and just throw bodies out as byproduct.
Regarding different beasts the reason he’d trust what the sirens would be since they were planning to eat the crew anyway then they’d really have no reason to lie or mislead them
Of all Epic reactors, you have GOT to be my favorite! You actually pay attention and react, emotionally and physically! It's refreshing to see you actively react!
So, the first hint that Penelope is not actually Penelope, is the absence of the beautiful violin that always accompanies her, and that the "Penelope" was slightly different and off key - rather than a mediocre imitation, one might say. And of course - the electro music, that signifies magic
Fun fact, Jorge made a TikTok talking about how the sirens worked and said they can only get information from your mind if you can hear them and that’s why she said daughter instead of son
26:21 / 26:43 Fun little note, the ‘ woah ‘s the crew sing are the melody they sing when he’s sparing the Cyclops. They’re fully on board with him being merciless for the sake of their survival this time around.
So apparently Scylla is Poseidon's daughter who was turned into a monster by Circe of all people, and it's less that he's scared of her and more that he can't face what she turned into since he can't save her.
I love the deep voices of the crew during Different Beast. I envision the crew circling the trapped sirens like a hungry wolf pack snapping at their prey.
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I'm so excited for your collab channel!!! I've really been enjoying those!
Btw, dont know if you've seen this yet, but Gigi released a full animatic for There Are Other Ways! If you've already seen it then thats Great!! but if you havent yet, might be a good animatic to react to on the new channel? I think it might be one of Gigi's best animatics YET!! Anyways lol, hope you're enjoying you're day so far, great reaction vid! ☺
the first two song names were never released till we all saw them
Awesome! Where did you find the videos?
I do love the idea that Odysseus just has a daughter that he simply doesn't like.
He went through a character arc during quarantine.
He got worse if you're wondering.
"About 12 years or so"
It's confirmed, Polites had the calendar XD😭
The issue is, Polities is now a 🥞
Really
So you are saying he knew his days were numbered? 🤣
💀 @@TsarAlexander395
@@TsarAlexander395 Naw, he was just the only one keeping track of everyone's birthdays 😭
Jay specifically said that he wants Eurylochus to have a giant anime sword XD
Yeah, he specifically said he wanted Eurylochus to look like cloud strife, shoulderpad and giant anime sword and all
Never underestimate the nerdiness of a man making an entire musical based on The Odyssey
I can confirm this :D
@@ns2dstudiosoh lord hi! I loved that scene!! Can’t wait for the full animatics soon!
But it's so ridiculous 😂😂😂
Oooooh so it all connects!
Siren song = I see a song of past romance
Scylla Throat = I see the sacrifice of man
Mutiny = I see portrayals of betrayal
Lighting Bolt = And a brother's final stand
OHH i DIDNT EVEN NOTICE THE SIREN PART
I personally think that "portrayal of betrayal" is odysseus sacrificing 6 of his men because he betrayed his crew, while "a brother's final stand" is eurylochus taking a "final stand" against odysseus because they call each other brother all the time
i see it more as fallows
I see a song of past romance: sirens
i see the sacrifice of man: scylla
i see portrayals of betrayals: mutiny
and a brothers final stand: the specific part of mutiny where ody is begging to not kill the cows
i see you on the brink of death: his choice between himself and his crew
i see you draw your final breath:?
@@Gheshy He drowned, perhaps?
@@Gheshythe draw his last final breath is when he stops being the ody we know, and becomes the monster we see him become
I assume the siren told Odysseus the truth because:
1. She was sure he was under her spell and about to be eaten, so why bother trying to make up another lie on the spot to a dead man?
2. It might be a point of pride for her kind. If they are known to have such broad awareness of the sea, then it might be something she was happy to display when asked.
Penelope Siren:
Another Siren:
Illusion = broken
@@NetherStray"penelosiren hisses"why would you say that "
@@Michaellearnsart😂😂 but sirenoplope sounds better don't you think?
@@rainbowshiningstar2770 yeah that's sounds much better
In the Myths the Sirens would tell you whatever you desire most, which would be a way home in at this moment.
People often forget that the Sirens aren't some pretty Mermaids that the sailors just follow cause they are pretty and say _you want some?_
The Sirens sing about your direct desires, so one might hear about GTA6, while another hears them sing about food, and Ody who wants a way home and his family, hears them sing about a way home.
"lip-read, gaslight, gatekeep, Odysseus" mew life motto discovered lmao (20:58)
Gaslight, gatekeep, Eurylboss.
@@theratking3075 I both hate and love you for this.
Funfact: Song 21 and 22 were kept a secret from us FOR YEARS, we didn't even knew what their names were or what they were about BECAUSE This are NOT events that happend in the actual Odyssey.
So, you can imagine the Winions surprise when song 21 was SUFFERING! An assumed Cut-out song that the only snippet we had from the chorus was YEARS ago!😆
You can ALSO imagine our surprise given we thought the Sirens were cut from EPIC!
@@aadityayanamandra8846 I don’t know if it was just me, but I fully expected those songs to be the sirens
I guess you say the sirens were “cut” in a different way-
(This was such a fun surprise seeing suffering.second favorite in this saga)
@@aadityayanamandra8846 i mean, jorge didn't lie, they were cut, he just didn't tell us how
Jorge even said Sirens were cut. And then we got sirens. Jorge just didn't clarify which kind of sirens we were getting lol. In the Odyssey they are bird sirens but they are portrayed as fish sirens here
"Just stop making him go to the worst places!"
That's it. That's the Odyssey in a nutshell.
"My real wife knows I'm not scared of the water"
Keep that melody in mind :D
Wait why?!
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It's the same melody as "Keep your heads down, he's aiming for the torches" from the King Odysseus song. Some people started interpreting this as Monster!Odysseus melody.
@@MasterZeus94OMG I DINT REALIZE
ALSO, it is parallel to "There's been a misunderstanding!.." from Polyphemus!!
wait please explain;;
Poseidon isn't scared of Scylla. His daughter who got turned into a Sea Monster is directly next door to Scylla, and he blames himself for Zeus turning her into a monster
I interpreted it as Poseidon being ashamed and sorry for Charbydis' transformation and didn't want to step on her (metaphorical) tail and enter the territory he had given her or sth.
Edit: she got turned cuz she sided with Poseidon in a feud against Zeus for more territory.
SUES, LOL. THE DOCTOR.
Thanks now I imagined Poseidon locked out of his daughters room because she's moody 😂
@@MinionEnji"dont mess with cat in the hat"
Well, its different in Epic lore because Charybdis is not near Scylla in Epic
I really love "we are the man-made monsters" as a line. Every other monster they've faced was made by a god. Polyphemus is Poseidon's son, Circe is a goddess, Poseidon is a god himself, Scylla is the way she is because of godly intervention. Even Troy Saga Odysseus was a monster made by gods, in that he did what he did at Athena and Zeus's demand. But now, the crew have faced so much trouble that they have become monsters- this time with no god to make that happen.
I interpreted it as "We are the men made monster" since the last song was literally title
Monster haha
@@awildnoviceappears I like that there's this double meaning to it, especially in the last chorus where it's ""He" instead of "We." In addition to the usual meaning of man-made where they're not natural or divinely made monsters, there's also the reading of "a man made monster" as "a man made into a monster" playing into the recurring line.
@@sporkmaster5000 yes exactly! Mr. Jalapeno Pimbo is amazing!
In the Percy Jackson book Sea of Monsters Annabeth told us how Sirens reveal unspoken truths to those who listen to their songs. It's how Annabeth found her fatal flaw
Yay P.J fan
Yeah, and I think they also say that sirens sing about the thing you want most in the world, and the thing Odysseus wants most in the world is to get home, so it makes sense that that's what the sirens would tell him is true.
Unfortunately, that part of the sirens song is only in the p.j. booka. Originally, they only sing about your desires, enticing you with them so all regards to caution and your own safety are lost. Leading you to getting shipwrecked and easy food for them
“I made a mistake like this, it almost cost my life” notice how Ody isn’t actually thinking of the men who actually got killed by his move. He’s completely focused on himself getting home at this point
Yup, I love that detail!
True, but remember he was the only one approached by Athena to kill the cyclops and he alone refused. It was not a joint decision amongst the crew, only his.
@@zoerose6194 I think what op means is that, in earlier songs Odysseus was always talking about his men's lives being at stake, but here he says "it almost cost me MY life". The decision was made by him and before he would've reflected on how it got his men killed, but now we see him focusing on his own survival which gives us a glimpse of his changed mindset here
It’s good build up for why the men would start a mutiny. Odysseus has become so focused on getting home he’s a one-track mind, anything that gets in his way has to go, even if that includes the lives of his men.
I would like to mention that Different Beasts starts in the same way as Polyphemus (the song), with an arrow being shot, but where Polyphemus was spared, the sirens weren't
Is this whole saga a reflection of the prior sagas???
If you listen to the guitar plucks in the instrumental, it’s also very similar to the part in Polyphemus where Odysseus is trying to bargain for their lives.
@@JohnDoe-tt5qc Not only just instrumentals but I believe that 19:21 and the rest of that part IS the same vocal melody as "There's been a misunderstanding/we never came here to steal/but now that i see we've done some damage..." And onward
@@riversoblivionstudiosyes, at least musically it reflects back on their previous decisions
The choruses of the crew while Odysseus is singing "Kill them all!" in Different Beast are the same as they sing during the fight with Polyphemus in Survive!
The "Oh No" from Siren-Penelope is giving the same energy as the "But No" that Wet Hades gave in Ruthlessness XD
Not Wet Hades 🤣🤣🤣I’ve seen so many comments of it I’m sure I’ve seen you before oml
It feels like Ody plays a little hypothetical and she answers with the typical _oh now_ that you get when the other person doesn't really get into it but tries to engage
I believe the reason Ody thought the siren would be truthful to his questioning on a route back home was because, if she truly believed that he was being controlled by her song then he was going to die so why waste extra effort to think about a lie for a route avoiding Poseidon.
So, now that this is released, I can share this!!!
Back in the Underworld Saga, during the song 'No Longer You', Jorge revealed what PART of the choir was singing behind the Prophet. It was actually references to The Thunder Saga!!
- Siren Song!
- Scylla Throat!
- Mutiny!
- Lightning Bolt!
its so clear when you know omg!
I still don't know what he says in the part between "lightning bolt" and "kill all the suiters for love"
@@Michaellearnsart"hurt Poseidon"
the whole "poseidon is scared of scylla" is an EPIC-original idea, but it does hold true to greek mythology; the gods were immortal and all, but could absolutely be hurt and/or poisoned by some monsters.
I think that one of the reasons that Poseidon dosent wanna go there is also because hes still grieving his daughter (aka charybdis or however shes spelled whos also there with scylla) bc she was turned into a horrible monster with no awareness of her soroundings. Poseidon dosent want to go near there so he dosent get reminded of that
Sorry if thats wrong actually i just heard a few other people talk about that :>
@DerangedArtist145 this is the actual reason. And you spelled her name right!
Gonna be honest, I just assumed Scylla was yet another woman Poseidon used to date and he didn't want to run into his ex because that's always really awkward.
In some myths, Scylla was born from Amphitrite, Poseidon's wife. Whether or not Scylla's dad is Poseidon or Poseidon's son, Triton, is still a point of contention
According to Circe in "Odyssey" even the gods avoiding Scylla. "Inside lives Skylla, yelping hideously; her voice is no deeper than a young puppy's but she herself is a fearsome monster; no one could see her and still be happy, not even a god if he went that way (...) Self-willed man , is your mind then set on further perils, fresh feats of war? Will you not bow to the deathless gods themselves? Skylla is not of mortal kind; she is a deathless monster, grim and baleful, savage, not to be wrestled with. Against her there is no defence, and the best path is the path of flight".
A fun fact about "suffering" is that in the Odyssey, Odysseus knew about the sirens beforehand and had his crew plug theirs ears. However, odysseous decided to keep his ears open and vulnerable to the sirens, in another display of his hubris, and his constant mission to prove his strength
He also had them bind him to the mast so that he wouldn't jump overboard. Honestly wish Jay had gone with that. But there have been some animators including that detail
Yeah, it really does show his hubris,. Even better the original song of the sirens was about his own greatness to tempt him lol., they weren’t pretending to be his wife or singing about his wife lol,
@@loftydabird54I personally am glad he didn't, because the Odysseus of Epic is obviously very different from the one of the Odyssey. It would've felt really out of character for this Odysseus to do that "Just because", since he has arguably never been motivated by his hubris so far. Even telling the cyclop his name was more to spite Athena and her philosophy, after she insulted the death of his friends, all for the sake of honour. It was a stupid decision, but definitely not one born of Hubris or pride here, but rather of a slight leading to shortsighted-ness.
He even changed the type of sirens. The sirens in the Odyssey were actually bird-women and not mermaid-like beings.
Odysseus did that so the rest of the crew would know when it was safe to take out their beeswax. By paying attention to Odysseus' reactions (especially when he stops visibly yelling and screaming) they would know that they're out of earshot of the sirens otherwise they wouldn't know when to unplug their ears.
Fun Fact: Jorge partially revealed what the backing vocal spirits are saying in "No Longer You" & all of them relate to the thunder saga; the 1st four are "Siren's Song", "Scylla Throat", "Mutiny" & "Lightning Bolt" - it's awesome!
Jay just uploaded a video about Suffering explaining how the sirens work. Here's some fun facts!
- The siren can read Odysseus' memories a bit since her music techically reached his ears, allowing her to figure out how to lure him into the water
- But because Odysseus cannot hear the siren, she misreads his memories, like when she says 'come play with me and our *daughter*.'
- Penelope, like all the characters, had a certain instrument, the Viola. But it's never present in Suffering. But you know what is? Polities instrument! (😢)
- When the siren explains how Poesidon will chase Odysseus, it's the same melody from when Zeus tells Odysseus that the baby will tear down his throne and all that
Cf in the whole vid: is this poseidon in ody's dreams?
Mort in the first 5 seconds: sirens?
He can't help it, but now we have Posiren.
"He would chase you high and low" is in the same note as "He would burn your house and home" (not sure abt the lyrics) in The Horse and The Infant, same goes for the proceeding lyrics
It's "will" instead of "would". The Siren is saying "Poseidon won't stop, so go somewhere he won't" while Zeus is saying "You don't do this, you're gonna die when he comes seeking vengeance once he's grown up."
@@Scar-Predator oh, yeah. I'm not really sure abt the lyrics because i forget them (even though I listen to them non-stop lmao) but yeah, even the simple difference of tenses really changes the perspective of something. so genius!
As for the siren speaking truthfully, it's just easier to tell the truth than to lie. If she was going to lure Odysseus into the water to kill him anyway, why bother lying and risking being caught in the lie?
I just wanted to say this bc I haven’t seen anyone else point it out directly, but it’s so cool that the siren “penelope” ‘s instrument is the other sirens voices.
i think it's so funny that multiple people have heard the "Come play with me and our Daughter!" line and instantly went "wait does Odysseus have a daughter? since when???" instead of clocking it as mistake on the Siren's part
No one seems to point this out, but I like the detail that the bow sound effect is the same from the beginning of the Cyclops saga.
21:20 Mythologically speaking, the sirens (and other monsters that don't have frequent human contact) have very poor social intelligence. They are typically portrayed as acting instinctively, just barely above animal intelligence. The siren is probably baffled why Odysseus isn't lunch yet and the whole conversation is metaphorically kicking the vending machine to make the candy bar fall down. The amount of thinking that would go into 1) understanding that Odysseus might be lying or hiding his true intentions 2) understanding why he's asking these questions 3) constructing a subversive narrative that sounds like what he wants but isn't true and 4) doing all this on the fly without the very socially intelligent Odysseus noticing is just beyond the capacity you would expect isolated monsters to have. Odysseus probably thought it was worth a shot and that he could tell if they did try to lie because they would do it with the social graces of a toddler.
you have to wonder if Ody's decision making was impacted by the sight of his wife telling him "this is your only way home."
The fact he killed the sirens by drowning is ironic because I believe the sirens killed by drowning their victims
Yep! In most forms of lore for Sirens, they often drown their victims after causing them to crash their ships against rocks or making the crew jump ship to reach them.
In some of the myths, sirens were fated to die if someone heard their singing and escaped them, and that after Odysseus passed by they therefore flung themselves into the water and perished.
Eurylochos having a Bustersword styled weapon is actually a very early design choice of Jorges so yes it's canon :D
Songs 21 and 22 were especially hidden by the entire Epic community due to the fact that i think because it had to deal with sirens and all that, they were kept a secret till the release :3
Also! It was confirmed by Jay that he wants Eurylochus to have a huge sword to be apart of his costume!
I can confirm this!
@@ns2dstudios OH MY GOD NO WAY
Love how mortius immediately realizes the sirens and Casper goes on this train of Poseidon Penelope
Me: sees mortius has a new upcoming video
Me: sees the thumbnail
Me: 🥹🥹🥹🤩🤩😭
I wouldn’t have it any other way!
I was so happy when I saw your animatic for a different beast, also your joke animatic of six torches. 😊😊😊😊😊
I think your style was absolutely the best one to capture that moment, that animation was epic
@@ezracohen6020 Thank you so much! It was such an honor to have worked on the unreleased song! I had to keep a tight lid on it for months!
I feel that the reason the sirens told him how to escape is because of pride they believe that all the men on his crew will die so they see no issue in just telling him how to escape
"we are back and we are suffering"
Mood, you are not wrong though
AHHHH I LOVED WATCHING YOUR REACTIONS!! When I first heard Suffering I was literally in the same boat (no pun intended of) “Penelope POV? Wait, no not daughter? Huh??” HAHAHA
Loganne!! I can’t wait to hear YOUR art come into play for this saga 🤩 Thank you for your support!
The way you can instantly tell it’s not Penelope singing bc her instrument isn’t in the background
Is it Polites's instrument instead?
My way of thinking of how he knew she was telling the truth is by pretending to be tranced by the song and that they were Penelope. Would definitely sell to a siren especially if she was sympathetic towards Odysseus. Kinda like how villains think they are gonna kill the main character so they reveal the secret plan
So a few things that I've noticed and have been mentioned for these two songs.
Suffering:
1. The Song opens to synth beats and distorted voice, hinting to this Penelope being synthetic. This is further hinted at as she has singers to harmonize with, Her siren sisters.
2. The lines "I Could/Can/Will take the suffering from you." Has several meanings, firstly is Penelope could sooth Odysseus's suffering. Second, the Siren can end Odysseus's suffering by killing him. And thirdly, the Siren will take on suffering by the hands of Odysseus and his crew in the end though she doesn't yet know it.
Different Beast:
1. The line "we are the ones who feast now." is not only mocking the Sirens for getting caught, but is a callback to Polyphemus who was going to make a feast of Odysseus and crew.
2. The Shift from the word We, to He for the last chorus may be foreshadowing for what is to happen next, in Monster Odysseus stipulates "If I became the monster to everyone but us..." but now his crew is singling him out as The man made monster." making it pretty clear what choices he's going to make in the future.
11:44 In Greek Mythology, when you go to the Underworld it is not automatically "Hell", but they had to go to the Underworld to find out how to return home and avoid Poseidon, so when they literally found out that the prophet would not help them, Odysseus realized that if he wanted to return home he must become a "Monster" and bypass obstacles without mercy, and when they came out of the Underworld they entered the waters of the sirens, and Poseidon probably knows that, and thinks that they will take care of Odysseus, but Odysseus was ready, and got the information where to go where Poseidon will not follow, so this was the plan to get around him.
21:33 the sirens had no reason to lie the crew would have been dead soon if there plans worked
21:31 She wants to trick him. Giving people what they want is one of the easiest ways. Also, if he was under her spell, her guard would be down because it wouldn’t matter what she says he’d just hang onto every word.
remember the "I see a SONG OF PAST romance~"
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS, also Anna Lea is the one playing Penelope!, she sounds absolutely beautiful in this saga, and she was in Keep Your Friends Close only when Ody was daydreaming!
I feel like the change in odysseus's voice comes both from him now embracing a monsterous ruthlessness, but also from the satisfied smugness of tricking and outwitting a normally deadly encounter for any other sailor
The reason eurilicyes sword is like that is because Jorge once said he always imagined him having a giant sword like in anime. So now everyone gives him one
Can we just take a moment to appreciate what a smash cut that is?
"The thing's I do for you🥰"
*shoots penelope*
18:37 Eurylochus having a big sword became cannon as a joke. The is a Tick Toc of Jorge and Eurylochus's voice actor
Armando fighting with sticks on a beach with the song mutiny playing. Armando had a much bigger stick, and a bunch of comments were joking about Eurylochus having a giant sword.
MORTIUS, YOU DIDNT CATCH SOMETHING!! In Different beast at the end, they are humming the tune from Remember them when he is telling the cyclops who he is
Omg i didn’t catch that either!
I think the siren figured, "You're not leaving alive, so it doesn't matter if I tell you the truth or not." Which makes sense because usually, no one can resist their song.
13:19 “Don’t get in the water!”
Odysseus: “Bet”
“Lipread, gaslight, gatekeep, Odysseus” can I get this on a t-shirt please 😭😂
@officialmortius hey thanks for the heart! i know it’s a bit unlikely you’ll see this, but I love your reactions and all of your videos so much. they are really entertaining and you are probably one of my favorite youtubers! you really make the epic community just that much more.. well, epic! it means a lot that you saw my comment so I thought id give you a quick hello to let you know your videos always make my day! :)
MORTI, Idk if you see it earlier, but our friend ElianZiS made so beautiful animatic for "Scylla" (Jorge posted it on his shorts a while back)
Well it is still just a short, not the entire song. Hoping they do the entire song though!
Oh my god, you cracked Penelope being a siren so fast, I’m impressed! I was so out of whack due to not knowing if it was supposed to be a flashback or not, or what the location was, to really get it until the end of the song 😭 I mean, I got that it wasn’t her at the daughter mention, but her specifically being a siren took another while for me to get haha.
The siren is indeed voiced by the same actress as Penelope. And seriously, Anna Lea is such a wonderful singer!! I’m so excited for more Penelope songs. I remember hearing a snippet of a future song a while ago now and it was absolutely heavenly, and I cannot wait for the full thing
The ‘What?!’ in “Different Beast” is the final instance of the ‘…What?’ in the entire musical
Do we know that for a fact? There can still be other "what"s in parts of the songs that haven’t been released
@@Cataly_ely No Jay said that the last part of the "what saga" would be in the thunder saga, so theyre right
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Jorge mentioned there was only one use of “…What?” in the entirety of Act 2 (he says this after The Underworld Saga was released)
The worst part about the sirens is that they're doomed to perish if someone hears their song and survives it. That's why the "cut off their tails" isn't in the Odyssey, because Odysseus doesn't cover his ears with beeswax and is able to hear the song tied up to the ship's mast, therefore the sirens die once the crew past by. Since in Epic all of them cover their ears, this is the way Jorge found to kill the sirens.
Also I don’t think they originally had tails, so they couldn’t really cut them off
A thing I saw from another commenter on another channel which I forgot so credit to them.
Poseidon would be "scared" of the lair of Scylla because that is where Charybdis lies as well. And it just so happens that Charybdis was a nymph daughter of his who was transformed into a horrible monster for reasons I forgot right now. So he would not wander around out of grief, as much as he can grief lmao.
In any case I really liked this take so I'm putting it here. Again credits to the person who made the comment !
There are many reasons but the main one was that she would drown islands to expand her father's domain.
There also is another myth where Scylla was actually a nymph who Poseidon courted before his future wife cursed her.
@jasonsmith6219 Thank you, I could not remember for the life of me. I also did not know about this myth, I'm more familiar with the Circe bit. Which begs the question why isn't Charybdis in the Thunder Saga. Spoiler :
I know she appears later when Odysseus finally leaves Calypso's Island which in a way makes sense because if I remember correctly her island isn't far from Scylla and Charybdis.
@SiIker. Because, there's no way that Odysseus' ship would survive that encounter. You'd need a smaller vessel to have any hope of riding the edge of her whirlpool
I love how unserious the first song was (unironically also called "Suffering" lmao) while the second was straight up a mass murder
Also, I think that the lowest harmony in that crew vocal is Ayron Alexander, who voices Perimedes (the 3rd most important person in Odysseus' crew lmao) and also will voice another important character later on. Perimedes was best friends with Elpenor, who sadly died, and nobody noticed (he died, and nobody cared [he drank wine from a chalice, atop of Circe's Palace, he fell and broke his neck in shame]) Umm but anyways, maybe since he's grieving a dead friend (who canonically is voiced by Luke "Zeus" Holt!!) his voice is much lower and more somber than his previous appearances.
I thought that Luke Holt was the deep voice, because Perimedes' voice in Keep Your Friend Closer is higher than Elpenor's (Perimedes sang the "captain what's happening" part, while Elpenor joined in "what's trapped in that bag")
@@willew64 Yeah but Luke said he has to uncomfortably deepen his voice to create the Zeus voice, and naturally his voice is higher, while when I watched some of Ayron's livestreams, he can comfortably get down there too, while still having those rock tenor high notes. He's very versatile. And also, from what I've heard, Luke isn't part of the Epic Ensemble that does the crew voices, but Ayron is. Though one other person who it could be is Earl Gresham Jr. who is in the Ensemble, and plays Ares, since he also has a lower voice.
@@Kamarovsky_KCM I see. Thanks for the Info
12:22 There are multiple people in Greek Mythology that the big 3 were scared of. Circe was one of them.
I believe some interpretations of Eros was another one?? Maybe...
I watched the live stream so it isn’t new to me, but I just want to see your reaction. Honestly, I paid attention more to the animatics then lyrics because I knew what would happen later on. But still excited for your reaction
my guess for why he expected the sirens to be truthful about the route is that in some mythos, the sirens sing about what you desire to lure you. Ody tricks the siren to sing about the route to get home as by making it clear that was his desire
Fun fact: scylla is Poseidon's ex lover ,they broke up after a curse was placed on her and she turned into the monster she is now ,but it's kind funny to think Poseidon is scared of him ex
It wasn’t Poseidon. It was Glaucos, the mortal circe turned into a god. Poseidon’s daughter who was also turned into a monster is right next door to scylla. And he feels bad for her transformation. Hope this helps!
@@Eyk-o4m Circe was so petty! :O
Actually you are right in some versions its Poseidon who’s with Scylla. Fun thing about Greek Myth is that there is no definitive
Depends on the story she is either
Born a monster
Love of Glaucus and turned into a monster by jealous Circe
Lover of Poseidon who got turned into a monster by jealous Amphitrite
Her parentage swings wildly. We’ve got Hecate, Poseidon, Apollo, Sea nymphs, Oceanids, etc. Nothing is consistent! :D
Oh it's amazing that you were able to get to react to the live stream, that's so awesome! I soooo hope you'll react to more animatics down the line too. Neal Illustrator's Thunderbringer is amazing for that! Excited to see your thoughts on all the coming songs
The reason Odysseus doesn't always know the exact amount of time they've been gone is because Polities was the one who kept track of the time (And bc Jorge messed up hehe)
28:15 OMG did anyone notice the lyric changed from
(He/We) (is/are) the man made monster
To
(He/We) (is/are) the man-made monster
There’s a hyphen now! Which means grammatically, the men are now talking about how Odysseus man-made himself into a monster unlike before where they were just saying they’ve turned into monsters.
Oh INTERESTING
@@officialmortiusnoooo, I’ve learned it was simply a typo on the livestream. It’s hyphened every time in the lyrics provided everywhere else. But it would’ve been a nice detail
21:33
Well the siren didn't have any reason to lie to him
She couldn't care less if he evades Poseidon and reaches Ithaca. She just wanted him to stop yapping so she could have dinner. She could have never guessed he'd escape alive and have a use for that information
🧜♀Regarding the song of the Sirens, this may be original to Epic and inspired by Percy Jackson, since in the second book Annabeth tells us how the Sirens reveal unspoken truths to those who listen to their songs. That combined with the fact that mythologically the Sirens sing about your desires and want (Odysseus' want is to return home) can result in when they sing they cannot lie if you ask about something you desire and they know the answer, clearly if they don't we end up with a Telemachus who according to them is a girl.
In summary: The mermaids sing about your wishes and unspoken truths that they know + Odysseus wants to return home and asks how to do it = The mermaid is sincere because she is singing an answer to something she knows and Odysseus wants, so that he enters the water and she can eat it😋
18:44 Yeah, Jorge revealed in an easter eggs short that Eurylochus has a Cloud Strife sword, lol
24:52 This line is so sad to me. 'Cause YES, him sparing Polyphemus is why all this is happening; HOWEVER, he also spared Circe and things turned out well (all things considered). It's just him becoming more and more jaded.
Though like, comparing things to sirens, cyclopes are more similar to sirens then Circe is.
FUDGE YES!!!!! I CAN’T WAIT TO SEE YOUR REACTION TO DIFFERENT BEAST! (BY FAR MY FAVORITE) 36 HOURS TO GO!!
thinking about Different Beast as Ody's literal *villain monologue* following Monster is just... UGH im obsessed
My boy Odysseus has truly become Monster rawr rawr rawr
26:00 I just realized when listening closely there is a familiar voice that blends in with the crew much more deeper and it cuts off at "you are a threat no longer..." this gives me chills😢
16:00 "I'm worse now!" love it
Also anyone notice the nice triplet (?) in the "but while you were so focused on turning my men into snacks" it's so clean and beautiful
Polities in the backroung
"This life is amazing when you greet it with open arms".......
Something I do wanna mention, at the very end of different beast the crew says ody's name unlike in every other song where they refer to him as "sir" or "captain".
(SPOILERS BELOW FOR THE 4TH SONG OF THE THUNDER SAGA)
In mutiny we hear Eurychus (idk how to spell his name) call him Ody... not sir, not captain, not even his full name... just Ody
Bold of you to assume i haven't been constantly listening to the new releases non stop since they dropped
I recently discovered your channel and you have some of best reactions, I've been waiting for this!!
Did you hear the high pitched siren screams as they die? Yea..... Haunting
Odysseus: *attacks 'Penelope'*
Mortius: *is physically repelled out of the area*
6:45 I believe those are the rest of the sirens underwater who are singing the background vocals but i could be wrong as it hasnt been confirmed yet!
"Oh that's some siren nonsense right there" is one of my favourite new sentences
Ive been on listening and relistening to the Thunder saga on repeat for almost a week now, kid you not by day 3 im already humming melodies from the songs when i turn my music off 😅
Cant wait to see your reactions!! ✨️ see you tomorrow!
Suffering having a two fold meaning when he doesn't let the sirens have a quick death
i love how Jay used Penelope's Voice Actor for the Siren's it works way to well.
Also, about cutting their tails? Yeah, they can't technically swim without them but also you know what they said : "we are the ones who feast now" ?
The top part of the siren is human, but the down part, the "tail"? Fish. Fair play for the table, that's the main reason to cut off tails and just throw bodies out as byproduct.
The whiplash from "Suffering" to "Different Beast" is WILD! I love it!
Regarding different beasts the reason he’d trust what the sirens would be since they were planning to eat the crew anyway then they’d really have no reason to lie or mislead them
Of all Epic reactors, you have GOT to be my favorite! You actually pay attention and react, emotionally and physically! It's refreshing to see you actively react!
THEY ARE CANON YES !!! Directed by jorge so the details there are plot relevant it's so cool
13:16 “Wait how do you know about that” HELP ME
So, the first hint that Penelope is not actually Penelope, is the absence of the beautiful violin that always accompanies her, and that the "Penelope" was slightly different and off key - rather than a mediocre imitation, one might say.
And of course - the electro music, that signifies magic
8:04 dang that was fast
If Ruthlessness is Mercy, then the stunt Odysseus just pulled was Angelic...
Fun fact, Jorge made a TikTok talking about how the sirens worked and said they can only get information from your mind if you can hear them and that’s why she said daughter instead of son
The soldiers are probably lower to show their conctions with Eurylochus
26:21 / 26:43
Fun little note, the ‘ woah ‘s the crew sing are the melody they sing when he’s sparing the Cyclops. They’re fully on board with him being merciless for the sake of their survival this time around.
So apparently Scylla is Poseidon's daughter who was turned into a monster by Circe of all people, and it's less that he's scared of her and more that he can't face what she turned into since he can't save her.
I love the deep voices of the crew during Different Beast. I envision the crew circling the trapped sirens like a hungry wolf pack snapping at their prey.