Ray & Faye Copeland : America's Oldest Serial Killers
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Season 05 : Episode 19 :
Ray and Faye Copeland seemed like your average couple living a simple life on their farm. As they got older, they hired labor to help them keep up with the chores which didn’t seem unusual. What was unusual was when their hired help began disappearing.
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I BECAME homeless because my landlady was "kiting" her property. She wasn't making her mortgage payment, would let it fall into default, then quit claim deed it to the uneducated, 1st generation immigrant handyman then have a friend of hers, a loan officer who worked at several banks during the 20+ years she did this, refinance the property & borrow enough extra to pay the amount in default: robbing Peter to pay Paul. She repeated the process over & over again, passing the property back & forth several times. $30,000, $70,000, $100,000, another $100,000...till, in 2012 she owed $375,000 for the property she originally purchased for $50,000 in the late 1980s, with -271% equity & a $2200/month payment.
Since the housing bubble had burst in 2008, & banks were no longer approving loans that people couldn't afford to pay, & were scrutinizing documents more, her friend could no longer help her refinancing anymore, & the scheme finally caught up with her.
Unfortunately, I was the rent-paying tenant in good standing in the 2nd house on the property when the bank FINALLY foreclosed. On moving day, I tripped over a box & dislocated my knee & had to be taken to the hospital via ambulance. In all the excitement, no one remembered to lock my front door. When I returned that night, I found my home ransacked, & everything of value, all my tools, & the $3000 cash I'd withdrawn from my bank that morning to give to my new landlord for move-in...gone. I didn't have another $3000 in the bank. I didn't have enough money left to rent another place at all.
I spent 6 years & 4 months living in the streets until I FINALLY found someone willing to give me a chance & rented their guest house to me. That was over a year ago, & I've paid my rent on time every month, like I always have.
Not all homeless people are drug-addicted, mentally ill criminals. All of them, however, are human beings. ✌🏼
Thank you for sharing your story 🫶🏾
Anyone ignorant and conceited enough to believe homeless people are somehow lesser probably won't change their mind, as doing that would be conceding that homeless people are worth just as much as they are a human, and some people base their whole personality around who they are "above".
I've been in the same situation my brother
In the land of plenty it a shame this crap happens to people. America is a shithole
@@mememan2344 I mean homeless people are still people, but I ain't letting one sit on my fucking couch.
I love how thorough you explain check writing process for the youngsters!!! Very precise!
Checks need to go away, I've had nothing but problems when dealing with checks.
How hard is it to include Jr at the end of a name? Even the government does this to me.
That was great! I remember those days.
I still don't understand lol
That was funny - you never think of needing to explain the process! Cheques are rarely used any more so it stands to reason it's a thing of the past. The bugger was having to wait for a cheque to be cashed while the bank verified it at their leisure.
@@cjvaye99 oh then the old way of processing credit cards would blow your mind. They used to take your card and place it in a small, hand powered “machine”. The machine would have a paper loaded into it where info would have to be filled in. This machine had a thing in the top that would slide from one side to the other and at the same time pressed the card into the slip of paper whic had a sheet of carbon paper between two slips. The carbon paper and machine would create an imprint of your credit card. Then the clerk would fill in the amounts and other info that they needed to do. Then the customer would sign the slip and one copy would stay at the till and the other would b given back to the customer. So essentially you could go and buy many things on a credit card befor reaching the limit because there no computers swiping your card info. Same idea as the cheque kiting because by the time the credit card company would figure it all out and finally be calling you and sending letters of collection. Also made it a lot easier to use stolen credit cards
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Ray’s hypocrisy and narcissism is almost overwhelming. If he wouldn’t have been scamming everyone, not to mention his obvious heinous crimes against his victims, him and his wife would have been homeless transients themselves. His victims were far more honest than he ever was, and they were taken through the proverbial ringer for it 😞
Love your program. Keep making great videos and nice second channel, loving it all. Plus your character comes through & that why it's so unique for UA-cam. Thank you much for uploads
My brother lived in the Victory Mission downtown until he got back on his feet. The Copelands approached my brother and tried to get him to go work for them but he turned them down. He wanted to stay close to home. We teased him that he didn't get murdered only because he didn't want to work. 😂 True story.
@@clara_bow Ha ha. 😂
😂🤣🤣 thank God
Being lazy for the win! Kinda like people who called in sick on 9/11.
Laziness prevailed !!
Small world. He was very lucky.
There's got to be more victims, these... people ramp up their crimes as time goes on. I hope they looked into all the bad checks they found, a lot of those would be victims, guaranteed.
It makes me sick how many people abuse and kill the homeless. Those people still have families.
@115 Moscovium - FORMALLY known as Peacock Poop so very true.
Even if they didn’t have families, they’re still alive and that’s enough.
Family will help them not be homeless…
@@trives99 Not always.
@@minniemercury4818 then they not your family.
Does anyone else listen to him while you’re going to bed at night.
No. I don't need anymore bad dreams!
I listen while I do my makeup everyday before work 😂 it’s so interesting and I come back home and continue while I eat dinner
Literally me rn
I listen while doing computer work
I listen to him every night lol
This story was featured on Forensic Files! Evil Ray Copeland shot those ranch hands with no mercy, he was sinister as you can get after scamming the local auctions
That's how I know about the Copelands. I've been watching that show for 20 years.
The Copelands were nearly as evil as the Clinton’s and Bidens
Love how Ray grew up poor and struggling (as well as committing fraud) during the Depression but yet saw fit to pass judgement on poor homeless men who were looking for honest work. He got off the easy way in the end.
yea exactly. they probably weren't thieves like him.
Well, one of the drifters stole a car on the way home, so I doubt they were angels, but they certainly didn't deserve death. The Copelands were monsters. Hard living makes hard people.
people use justifications like that as an excuse for their crimes against other people.
It's projection
What’s amazing is how much people have changed. Back then people who were poor/homeless were STILL WILLING TO WORK TO EARN A DAYS WAGES….nowadays they think “work” means standing on a street corner holding a sign begging for money, from those who do work. Although I still give those people WAY MORE RESPECT AND CREDIT, than I do to those people who ABUSE THE WELFARE SYSTEM IN THIS COUNTRY!!!
I get excited every time you have a new episode. Your style of narration is so detailed and you add sarcasism at the perfect moments. I love it! Thank-you for all the hard work you put into each of your episodes.
Me too, when i look at my subscription uploads and i see a monsters upload it's like you hit the jackpot feeling. I agreee with the detail, factual elements and including background elements such as metal health and abuse. Lots of other narrators will start by painting of some person to be angelic, has lots of friends, could do no wrong.. you can always tell they are the ones who end up as victims. Not being critical of them, just people have their own style, i guess even for the immatators
Look at his face and last name. Copeland is usually a yiddish name. His face, ears, and mental state are also typically yiddish. Missouri has been a yiddish hotspot for hundreds of years. Most light skinned serial killers are of yjddish descent..
You need to get a girlfriend if serial killers videos get you excited lol
@@lenormand4967 Very insightful comment! And if you have certain bumps on your head you are more likely to be a criminal! And all this time we thought Phrenology was obsolete. Thanks for "edumacatiing" us!!!
@@lenormand4967 what fucking nonsense are you spouting?
We call that robbing Peter to pay Paul
Great video, but just to clarify people often stopped going to school after the eighth grade. There would be an eighth grade graduation ceremony, then they could pay to go to high school back in the day. I know this personally because of my grandparents here in Arkansas. My grandmother actually went to eighth grade twice just because she liked school so much. It was very common for people to only have an eighth grade education during that time, but they weren’t considered dropouts, they just couldn’t pay to go to high school for whatever reason. High school was optional back then, like college is today. :)
Not to mention, an eighth grade education was quite sufficient. There was little fluff in the curriculum. There are those of us whose parents and grandparents could do math in their heads while you were still feeding them the numbers.
That’s crazy. My grandparents were born in the early 1920’s and they both went to college. However, we are Swedish, so all schooling is free so maybe that’s why. It’s sad that it’s such a difference between countries. In some countries kids might never go to school at all because it’s expensive or too far from their village or they have to help their parents to make money so they can eat.
it is adorable your grandmother went to school again because she loved it.🤗
@@angelicaplummer4691 She always had the best stories about her school days. It was definitely some of her fondest memories.
@@cradlingbrokenglass woW so sweet
As a recovering alcoholic/addict with nearly 18 yrs of sobriety under my belt, I'm angered by Ray Copeland's contempt for and exploitation of downtrodden alcoholics. These men were trying to improve themselves and Ray Copeland used their vulnerability and good faith only to make them part of his crime and then murder them for their efforts. What a foul human being.
@tony sabell... 8 years recovered myself and I feel the same as well. Unfortunately, people still take advantage of alcoholics/addicts. Grateful to be sober!!! Keep on keeping on my fellow traveler....
A murderous monster, yet looking down at those people as scumbags reminds me very much of another low life monster, called Donald J Trump!
Congratulations..
Yes these people are beyond human
Vile disgusting creeps
Once again congratulations from Australia
S couple took advantage of the fact that families abandon their addicts members making it easy 4 this to happen..
well who does a psychopath prey on.. the strong ? no. its like the bully on the playground.. he picks on the weakest, weirdest, most vulnerable kid..
rip to all victims..
I remember this story on one of those those crime shows.. that's a dang shame. Those poor men did not deserve what happened to them. Ray was a total creep...cheat...thief...con man...and finally killer. His wife may have been abused but I think she had some inkling of his scams and what he did to those men 😠
I seen this on forensic files
Of course she did. If you were her, brainwashed, controlled, living in total fear, beaten regularly....what would you have done? Remember females are raised very differently from males.and don't forget about the manipulation of religions.
Forensic Files
"Those poor men did not deserve what happened to them". Really, you needed to point that out? You assume that is not universally known? Is water wet? Just, wow.
@@phoenixfox3379 why must you be an asshole about it?
You know you really like the channel when youve seen the story content before but not by this guy. Love him.
Needs to be pinned! Lol
Exactly! Forensic files covered this years ago
Omg! Yes! Well said!
I know, he's really good 👍
Wait.... you like this channel, because u saw this story from someone else?
Raye was so cruel I think he killed more than he was ever convicted of . Think about it guys who just randomly starts killing as a senior citizen
As a 17 y/o college freshman in 1999, FLOATING my rent check each month, was literally the ONLY thing allowing me to both eat [Ramen] & also keep that leaky studio apt roof over my head. Just sayin.
I wasn't judging. Trust me, I'd be lying if I said I never floated a few checks in my younger years. I'm pretty sure my mom did it on the regular when I was a kid.
@@thisisMONSTERS haha, no worries.. that was more for the kids who never knew the *luxury* of being able to hide behind the small, yet predictable, time-delays inherent to the low-tech filing systems still at-use thru the late 90's & early 2000's, before digital/online everything was accessible on real-time 😉
We called it beat the bank.
My mom used to do it all the time. Getting Dominos pizza on a Friday when my dad got paid on Monday. He got paid on the 1st and 15th every month in the navy.
Why your channel is not at a million yet..im not sure.
You are a superb story teller.
Thanks so much for your time.
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Very true I like this one is my favorite and then monsters is my second favorite neither one of them have a million subs and I do not know why awfully good well-thought-out in a really good storytellers
He had me the first time I ever heard him say "Get the fuck outta here!". Sorta came out of the blue and it was hilarious.
Because he's fuckin cringe
@@ladymopar2024 This is ...is your favorite ? Could you clarify please, I'm always looking for new True crime
It's just as my dad always said, "Son, being poor isn't a sin, but it's damned sure inconvenient."
It's a sin to be rich, but its a low down shame to be poor
@@Johnny-mp2ew - it is not always a "sin" lots of people work hard to be able to buy nice things
also how much is rich"?? Is it wealthy enough that you own companies that provide jobs for others?
Being "rich" is not black and white, nor is "sin"..
@@Johnny-mp2ew it's a sin to commit harm to others. If you can get rich in a HONEST way it isn't a sin. The problem is alot of rich people became that way because they scammed, betrayed, stole and took advantage of others.
@@NannupTiger johnny is a lil' punk beotch.
Millennial no doubt
well it actually is a sin in America
Absolutely LOVE your dig about bit-coin and scanning chips in our wrists! I'm with you brother! Awesome video as usual, thanks for the upload. Can't wait till next time. 😊
I love when he says “Get the Fuck outta here “!.. it’s always perfect timing!! 😂😂
I agree 💯% with you both 🤩
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Um, many places had been using debit cards for quite a while by the late 80s- in backwater Saskatchewan where I grew up, the local credit unions started issuing them about the time I graduated from high school in 1981, and by the mid 80s most retailers had point of sale machines. I remember being surprised when we visited my wife’s grandparents in North Carolina in the mid 90s, and debit cards and machines didn’t seem to exist there yet, and flabbergasted when we visited some other family in Texas the better part of a decade later and standard procedure in the grocery stores there still seemed to be pulling out a check book- nary a debit machine in sight. Not sure how I feel about implanted microchips, although it’s inarguable that they would be harder to lose or have lifted than a wallet, and I’ve frankly never seen the point of cryptocurrency for anyone other than drug dealers and international assassins, but cell phone based e-transfers for some kinds of transactions and protected payment platforms like PayPal for some other kinds of transactions seem to me to offer safe and convenient ways to do business in a wide range of situations.
Dude!! You are literally the most fact driven true crime channel I have the honor of subscribing to. You also take the time to make appropriate humor. You respect the victims, destroy the villains and teach the youngsters. Thanks for all these reasons! Loving your Content on both, this is Monsters and Somewhere Sinister. Faithful sub.
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The humor and sarcasm in this one is remarkable! "He said he was going to take. Not pay for it!"😂 The bit about the chip in the wrist got me too!😂 I love it!
His humor is my favorite of all the true crime channels. Especially when he gets mad.
*"The bit about the chip in the wrist got me too..."*
And me three!
When he said, _"Wait a minute. We're not there yet..."_ I needed to hear that because it sounded like it *_could've_* been true!
@@themirrorsofmymind Because it actually is true. It is happening in some places but not forced. I guess at this point it is a trial run that folks can participate in. Look into it as I have forgotten where this is taking place, or which places it is taking place, I should say.
You find it funny and I find it annoying
Some people leave a true crime channel that has any amount of humour involved at all.. not me but I've certainly read recent complaints about Mike from That Chapter 🤔😕 I love TC and always give it a goo... I think Mike always comes down hard on the criminal/perp. and is never offensive
It always shocks me when I hear about elderly serial killers. You just don't want to believe that.
Elderly people were young once. You dont magically become a good person when you get old.
@@batissta44 Young people are usually sweet and innocent too
I am amazed at the people that think all elderly or invalids are all good!, Not-so!,,The majority are nasty.. I drove a cab , I know!,
Psychopaths get old too
uh haven't you ever watched Disney movies old people are always evil...
The level of research is incredible. Specific numbers of cattle, etc. You're the Sean Evans of true crime. Amazing work
You can easily find that also. But I love This Is Monsters.
@@user-gj1me4mf5c Find what ?
Yesss! Hot ones style research!
Hot ones is a trash show.
@@Dumbassr Exclaiming that you don't like popular things isn't a substitute for having a personality dude. Get a hobby
Sooo Faye is my mom's first cousin. I still can't get over how horrible this was.
There's no real excuse for her to have participated in this, but keep in mind that rural Ozarkians during this time period had many cultural differences. Quite normal to have grown up in shocking poverty in a time where girls did not backtalk their husbands. Very sad 😔
I'm Faye's first cousin. You're an internet liar
Interesting story, it does sound really sad. I send blessings to all your families it is still fresh in people's minds my mom survived the Great Depression however I feel for the men because they thought they had to work keep the family together that's just sad
Her kids swore she was innocent.that she just did what that old man told her to do
@@lindaarrington9397 I didn't know her but in the family that is exactly what is said. My mom is of her generation and swears she was innocent and had zero choices, mentally she could not have seen any options
Was this the story told on that Netflix show? They couldn’t use real names but the daughters were telling the story of it all
You definitely do your research. $50 a day in 1986 was a good paycheck. It's about $127 in today's dollars, and would probably be tax-free under the circumstances.
I especially feel sorry for Wayne Warner, 23:01. Served his country, then came home to battle PTSD, only to end up being murdered by a sociopath just when he thought his life was going to turn around.
that"s ALWAYS how it goes🙄. Skeezus oops i mean sayten ALWAYS comes to collect🤦♀️. it's WHY there are so many of them 🤮👹🔥👎
@@iclickedbecauseiamtiredofs4630 wow. You need help
$127 a day today isn't that much
@@cjvaye99 in Missouri its a comfortable living. Especially rural Missouri. Drove through there the other day. Gas was 2.29 a gallon.
I've read about these 2. You know that they would have never been caught if he had a better way to get rid of the bodies.
It's disgusting to me that he murdered a Vietnam vet.
After all he went through, just to be killed by a serial con/killer.
I was conflicted about Faye
She may have just did as she was told. And really didn't know the extent of what was going on
When you study the case , their kids swore their mother was terrified of that old man and would do what she was told.
It's sad these men were just trying to work and do better and killed over little
$$$$..
RIP ALL VICTIMS
MAY GOD KEEP YOUR SOULS
Keep? Eeesh
Faye Copeland worked for while she was incarcerated at the Chillicothe correctional institution. She never talked about what happened. this was just before her health went down.
But don’t forget why Faye was arrested. There were lists of names of victims and the dead ones had x’s next to the name, all in Faye’s handwriting. She also made quilts from the victim’s clothing that she told her son to retrieve from the homestead before the police searched. Looks a little guilty considering.
@@kateapple1 did I put ir wrong
@@eddybowe2953 ty 4 info
I've heard this story before and I've been waiting for you to tell it! Your details and resources are so much more complete to the story's you share with us.
same here, Bill Curtis told it...monsters is awesome but I definitely wouldn't complain about Bill Curtis
@@christopherlambert7423 no Bill Curtis is nothing to complain about he has a exciting voice to tell story's and is very intriguing but what he doesn't do like the man here on monsters is write,do his own research nor produce any of his own material he's simply a narrator with a script. My guy here does and goes the whole 9 yards alone so like I said imo monsters told it best.
@@luvmibratt oh yea I didn't mean to take anything away from T.I.M he's great
@@luvmibratt well put! I agree 💯% 🤩
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I didn't know this story.. It's interesting to hear about the old scammers & murderers from way back before DNA, internet& forensic science...So many people would have gotten away with heinous & brutal crimes !!
This was covered on A & E's 'American Justice'. I think your research is outstanding. You have more content than 'American Justice'!
The scam of hiring a laborer for the farm and then not paying them is pretty common in Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas... Specifically, in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Only that when a person was killed, people came looking, and if they suspected foul play, a hanging posse was formed.
There were people who hired hobos in the Depression era, got a day's work out of them for pay and then stiffed them for the money. They were helpless to fight back but they left a mark for other hoboes on the man's house to let other hoboes know he did this.
Showing my age here but I remember those check writing days, had forgotten about them until now! Listening to it again I'm so glad we are past that. Another epic work of art, as always Giles :)
it really wasn't THAT long ago...
you know people still have checking accounts, right?
@Donnell Okafor i pay my car payments and medical bills via check. If a company wants to charge me a "convenience fee" to do automatic bill pay or debit over the phone they have to wait for a paper check cause I'm not paying to pay somebody.
Some places also charge you a fee if you pay with a check or cash. 🤭 It's hard to avoid service fees anymore.
Almost done binge watching all your videos, and I gotta say your videos are really well done you do an amazing job.
I did that too when I found it ✌
Ahhh. Nothin healthier than sitting in front of a tiny screen and watching hundreds of hours about serial killers consecutively.
Yup these videos get me through my work day
Poor ole Faye
Abused by Ray
The moral of the story..
Crime don't pay.
Good one.
I think Fay was convicted mainly because of the note that was written by her, knowing exactly who left, went back and who was killed. She was obviously pretty much involved in the scams and knew who her husband’s victims were. She just never pulled the trigger. They were both evil to the core.
Was wondering why she made the list. It was self-damning.
Why do you think she wrote it?
@@avi10000Ray wasn't able to read or write so forced her to write it instead.
Thank you for always including the resources for help at the end of your episodes. I so appreciate you doing that. Our family was affected by suicide this past January and so it really helps to see resources being shared here.
Deeply sincere prayers for those grieving such a painful loss. As for your loved one I truly believe they entered eternal peace with divine understanding and loving forgiveness because that is how an ultimate holy father receives his children.
For you, dear lady. 💐❤️🙂
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Very well & beautifully said. ♥️
Amen.
And, God bless you for sharing this kind, compassionate, & True comment. 💗
God bless all who are grieving.
I'm truly sorry for your loss. 💔
May your beloved rest in peace, perfection, freedom, & Joy.♥️
May you, & your family, & all those who are grieving this loss _(& all whom may be grieving ANY grief & loss)_ find comfort, healing, strength, support, Light, Hope, & ever-increasing peace.💗
God be with you, & hold you tight, bring you comfort, & be less you hard. ♥️
I have never heard of this couple. My maternal grandparent's are from Missouri. That side of my family 's roots run deep in the Ozarks. How horrible for these men to loose their lives like this!! I am glad that some were able to get away from them. May all the victims RIP.
I know; I guess he preyed upon drifters because of opportunity. But Ray's parents must have been drifters; didn't they say they had lost their farm and would've been homeless? So, he was a victim of the stock-market crash caused by the rich psychos who run the country, like the family in ``Grapes Of Wrath.''
@@quickchris10 no. He was not a victim of anything other than his own choices. His family were not drifters but migrant workers looking to survive, but they did it through hard work and not stealing or killing
@@Juggz_N_Nuggz Have you seen ``the Grapes Of Wrath?'' The son, Tom Joad, played by Henry Fonda, had gone astray, killed someone and gone to jail. He gets his chance at redemption. (This guy didn't.) Tom Joad gets taken back into his family's fold. I think the ``grapes'' in the title are the ``sour grapes ''of Aesop's fable. (The fox tried to get some grapes off the vine that were too high for him to reach, so he saws, `aw, those old grapes prolly aren't any good, anyway; I don't want 'em,' rather than admit the real reason he was walking away was that he just couldn't get it done.}
@@quickchris10 qq1q11 my 3
A snowy day in Pennsylvania USA... Perfect day to curl up with Monsters!
You know you're old when the need to explain what checks are and how they work arises...
Ikr ?!
Loved the check explanation. When I was in school, we were taught how to use checks and most importantly how to balance your checkbook.
You snuck this one in on me! That makes me very happy! Love ya bud
I was a Unit Sergeant in the Housing Unit Faye Copeland lived in. You would never know what she was involved in by looking at her. She looked like anyone's grandmother. Though she was an equal parter in the crimes, she was a model inmate while I was assigned to that prison.
And she would have been a model person and wife if she had not married Mr. Monster.
❤¹was gone with the wind part2 about scarlet O'Hara
Ohhhhh! I first saw this case in Forensic Files. They even interviewed the lady. She looked and sounded innocent but I'm pretty sure she was in on it.
They made it appear that she was a victim of her husband as much as the others and I'm inclined to believe that.
I enjoy your videos. I have a suggestion for a future one. I saw this story on Forensic Files. The monster was a man named Eugene Kaidel. He killed his ex wife and buried her in the backyard. He also set his house on fire which killed 2 of his daughters. Only the son and one other daughter survived. And she was frightened by her father so badly that she actually blocked the memory of him killing her mother for many years until she finally testified against him many years later. But I thought that might be a good one for your show.
I'll add it to my list. Thanks!
I think I remember that case. He died in prison some years ago.
I saw that story, too. A shocking case.
'Scuse my ignorance , but I own a small business in an area with a population of less than 500 people, and checks are still a common form of currency here. Is check writing really *that* rare these day? Or was the detailed explanation for the future younguns watching this?
It's pretty rare everywhere I've been.
@@thisisMONSTERS Interesting - thank you
Checks still in use here in N. Idaho. Small town with the Safeway as the big store. Still a viable alternative to cash.
@@thisisMONSTERS then you need to get out more.
@Fred brandon and she knows who you went to prom with.🤣
I kind of miss the old check system. Two days before payday, you're flat broke but need food, just go to the grocery store and write a check for it. It wouldn't go through for a few days to a week, and by then your paycheck would be in the bank and you were good to go.
This was a totally different story of a serial killer. Nothing like anything I've heard before.
Yeah, I’m a big true crime fan. I’ve never heard of these two monsters before today. Very interesting & of course, tragic.
I don't think anyone gas ever woke up as a little kid and said, "I know! I want be a homeless alcoholic when I grow up!" Shit happens and there but for the grace of God...
This page has become like my fridge. I keep refreshing to see if there is anything new even when I know very well there isn't. I keep walking to my fridge even when I haven't done shopping hoping to see groceries there. 😩. Once I see an update it feels like the day after grocery shopping. No satisfying feeling Than that 😩😩😩😩
Now Wy Wy That was A Damn Good Analogy 👍🏽 Bc I Do the Same Exact thing Especially With this Covid Mess And Me Not wanting to Mix And Mingle in the Grocery stores 🤭. I finally started grocery shopping on Amazon And Insta-Cart 😅
@@scgeechiegoddessasha6843 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I just got off instacart and today will be a good day hahaha 😆
The defense "I was scared, if I didn't do what they wanted, I would have been killed also" didn't work for nazi concentration camp gaurds, and it shouldn't have worked for Faye. Her reality testing was sufficient to show she knew right from wrong. She even knew her government was not approving murder. When I think of all the lives so mercilessly ended, and all the relatives bereaved--apparently, many with no closure to this day--for this couple's selfish gain, I don't have any pity for either of them, and think they both should have been immediately hanged (a la Nuremburg justice). Thought so 35 yrs ago when this story broke, and never had a reason to change. Seems that it's about properly placed sympathies with the victims and not with the perpetrators.
You hit the nail on the head!!!!!
I look at them and think that they would've been seen as vulnerable.
_"You two be careful, bringing home young transients. You never know which one of them would try to rob and kill a couple of defenseless old people..."_
*Turns out they, or mainly, Ray were as vicious as a rabid dog!*
People also used float to get double the interest on money they placed in money market checking accounts. This was very popular when interest rates were high in the mid 80’s. Thanks for making me feel 100 years old.
$6000 for 40 acres...
Love your work, this style of story telling is far superior than just watching someone talk......thank you!
Those poor men and their families. May they rest in peace.
Damn I thought they were brothers when I looked at the thumbnail lol... They say the longer people are together the more they start to look alike... Happens with pets too 😂
😂😂😂😂😂 me too!!!!
It feels really telling that even with both of them locked in prison Faye didn't talk about the abuse she endured until Ray was dead.
A dead person can't defend themselves against false accusations.
Never heard this story before and appreciate you covering it in such length and detail. I am a big fan of your channel since the beginning and jump on each episode. It became my morning routine..getting ready and listening to your stories. Thank you for all your hard work...can't wait for the next episode 😄
This is a sad 😭 story, the homeless people just wanted a day pay that ended their life cause of this greedy man. My condolences to all of the family members involved in this case. 😭😭😭😭😭
Lol, I haven’t written a check since 19…hahaha. Not in this century!
I haven't written a check since I've been young too and it was my own money.
I live 30 minutes from Mooresville. I've heard this story before and I guess never paid attention to the location.
And the fact that I've never heard about this case until I heard it on YT, is actually kinda sad.
I'm 31 and I've always lived in Misery.
Here where I live, I have cousins EVERTWHEREEEEEEE. I'm literally related to ALMOST everyone around here so I refused to date anyone in my area. I just checked Ancestry and I have ATLEAST 2 dozen Copelands in my tree. I almost guarantee I'm related to Ray and Faye.
EDIT: I just double checked-double checked Ancestry, and I am in fact, related to these 2. They are my 4th-6th cousins.
I remember as a kid in high school driving around backroads with friends and went to that very property one night. Of course, crossing the do not cross crime scene tape still being on site. Anyway, the shallow grave was still dug out and visible in the barn. Very eerie place and feel. Took a small piece of the wooden barn as a souvenir, have no idea what happened to it. Anyway, there’s literally nothing else to do in rural small town Missouri, than go drinking driving and ghost hunting. 🤷♀️
I'm sorry you had to grow up in Misery...uuuum Missouri!
@@vincentmcquade2241 unfortunately I had to grow up in a lot of places.
@@paulamaples9021 Well I hope you're in a good place now, sweetheart! God bless You, and may the road ahead of you be full of good choices and happiness! 😁
@@vincentmcquade2241 I'm outside of st louis. It's not that bad. You ever been to Arkansas?
No I haven't been yet...its on my bucket list! 🤔
Missouri: “The show me the bodies state” 😂
They’re killing didn’t start this late in their life !
A thirst for killing is usually in peoples minds from a very young age !
Jack was lucky enough to be able to step forward!
These two worked together and they have probably been at this since married.
Do people not write checks anymore?!🤣. I remember my starter checks lol
Some of the information is vague. I'm from Livingston County, Missouri and now live in the town where the bank Jack went to actually is and knew the owner of the car dealership. There's actually a good book about these two. "The Copeland Killings..." by Tom Miller. You're more apt to get correct information.
As usual, another case expertly accounted. Thanks!
I saw an interview with their son and he said his dad was a vicious brute who abused him, his siblings and his wife. He didn't think his mother even questioned Ray's doings to really know details and was scared for her own life. I kind of believe him.
Of course he'd defend him mom idiot.
He was trying to get his murderous mother off the hook. She could have left Ray any time.
How long was he doing this . His son said at age 7 he started to notice a lot of different men staying. Then u wouldn't see them again. Ray was caught when said son in in his 40s. So for 33 years.
I love how people like ray can hold intense hatred in their hearts for down on their luck street rovers because they’re homeless even though he himself was a missed payment or i guess non payment away from being homeless himself, and on top of that a thief as well and not even a half good thief either. The unyielding ability to judge others is apart of being human unfortunately but it gets truly ridiculous when you notice we tend to judge those who’s sins mirror our own even more harshly. I guess it’s because we see ourselves in them and don’t like the thought that someone we see as inferior to us may actually be a lot like us therefore taking from us the notion that we alone are responsible for the “fact” that we are superior to that individual and instead shines a light on the actual fact of reality that there are alot more similarities than differences between you and that so-called “low-life” leading you to the realization when logically assessed properly that the real dress on your life turned out a little better than his which lead you to believe you were better than him is due to mostly random and uncontrollable factors surrounding your birth and placement in the social food chain which is because of the actions of your ancestors not you that made the real differences between your life path and that of the lowly bottom feeder you so proudly claim superiority over. The fact your in a better position in life than another person at this moment in time has absolutely no connection to you being a better person in any regard. Think about that next time you think your better than someone. Lol jk 😂
I'm from Missouri and I've never heard of them. I was a young kid when they were caught tho. These people were very scary and the worst of the worst. Taking advantage of others when they were down and out just for money. I'm curious as to what Ray and Faye spent their money on to almost loss their farm? Great story telling you are one of my favorite right next to Mr. Ballen.
Mr. Ballen is very good too.
@@debbieedwards420 no
No he isnt.
@@Juggz_N_Nuggz How do?
@@debbieedwards420 there are several of his where he embellished the truth to make it sound creepier or scarier that it is. Worst part, its all easy to find the info from the actual news stories, and he clearly takes it upon himself to bend the truth and make baseless claims. His content is trash. Take care
@@Juggz_N_Nuggz Just like regular authors do
I'm so glad you gave them their own episode Giles. I know they were in a shorter video. Mad respect. 💕💕
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Is it just me, or do ya'll really miss the original Monster's logo???? It was so unique and creative!
I wish that there was a way that UA-camrs could actually read my comments. Because I really wish I could just convey to you how much I enjoy your voice. Like I literally feel comfortable and calm and happy even though you’re talking about murderers. Good job man thank you for your videos.
One of the worst things about this to me is how he couldn't even employ these guys for a few weeks after the scam. He had enough money from the scam to pay them off. But he was so greedy he chose murder over a few hundred dollars.
Wish I could find a run down farm for 6k. Fuck
Look at all that blue denim at the cattle auction!
LMAO I read this right as they were shown on screen. Definitely a lot of blue denim
That's the cowboy way! Lol
@31:00 - It was determined that Faye had written the list because it matched her handwriting and Ray was illiterate. An illiterate person doesn't go around conjuring check-fraud schemes and coaxing people to open P.O. boxes and bank accounts. Sounds to me like Faye was the master mind all along and Ray was following orders. And of course she would claim batter spouse syndrome when it came down to who's going take the fall. The attempts to excuse her even in the smallest way is pretty insulting to the viewers.
I agree with you. I also wonder about their children….did any of them work with their parents? It’s clear that Ray was a horrible human being but I don’t believe he was the mastermind….she had ample opportunity to prevent the murders….she wanted the money and didn’t care how they got it!
Im not trying to excuse Faye. She was horrible mother and human. However Ray started writing bad checks before he married Faye. Even forged and stole his own siblings checks. So I have little doubt he came up with the plan.
Sadly, there are likely more bodies. With that animal ray dead, only time will tell where and who they were.
Ah the good old days when all it took was a handshake and your word was good enough 😌
I dont think thats a Faye at the end of the spree,,,, looks like a man
17:30 Nice job tring to pass off a modern picture of homeless people as an old photograph by making in Black & White.... your going to have to wake up pretty early in the morning if you want to fool me bro 🤣
I've never heard of this case! Thank you for your incredible attention to detail when researching these cases :)
Me neither! Interesting ✌️😎
Forensic files also has an episode about this case
8:40 how dare this murderer use a raccoon in his plan 😡
I've never heard this story before. Thank you for covering it so well.
Ok!! You have me HOLLERING in my car!! The commercial lol. The pizza rolls didn’t make it, but Josh did 😭🤣🤣🤣🤣 #simplisafe
Ray’s narcissistic tail needed to be pushed into a well.
Yay 30+ min video. Love to see it. Thanks for your hard work on these.
Is it just me or does that ole girl on the cover look like Michale J Fox????? Just sayin...
He may have killed before like richard speck He started late in life as a killer according to what's known. The murders were a part of the scam so he wouldn't get caught.
🤗🤗🤗 Excellent details mentioned that aren’t mentioned elsewhere per usual. Copeland had one foot in the street and the other one on the homeless side, but yet he looked down on the homeless.
What a dark soul he had, if any soul at all. Thank you as always. 🤗🤗🤗
Ah the 60's, when you could be broke, work for a year and then buy 40 acres of land.
You and Dr Grande both put this out on the same day, it's truly is a good day in the true crime community.
DR. GRANDE HUH???🤔
He's a psychologist UA-camr who often covers criminal cases.
@@justynlyde1972 He's a counselor, not a psychologist.
I was just gonna say this!!
yes, i think he's a fraud who is capitalizing on most trending cases. he doesn't really delve into the psychological aspects of crime , just superficial knowledge about basic psychology
You have just made my day with this upload.
Thank you, Giles 🙏🏽✨
Hello.... honestly you are so cool 😎 imagine the feeling of being the one to get away.....of course you are glad but being side by side to a serial killer that was on his way to do you...shit I'd probably never leave my house again. Thank you for your awesome videos 🇺🇸🙋❤️
It always shocks me when I hear about elderly serial killers. You just don't want to believe that. Cause elderly people are usually so kind.
So weird Dr. Grande just dropped an episode about them today too!
Love the story but did want to point out that g*ps* is a slur. Other than that great job.
I appreciate you explaining the banking processes of the past. It was a different time, and alot of younger people don’t understand how these crimes can be committed.
As a Missourian, the copelands are some of the only notable people from northern Missouri, so that should tell you how eventful northern Missouri is🤣
Ken McElroy is a big one too.
Bobbi Jo Stinnet.
I’m from NWMO where not much happens but when it does, it’s usually big and newsworthy.