Tal Wilkenfeld: Music, Guitar, Bass, Jeff Beck, Prince, and Leonard Cohen | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- Tal Wilkenfeld is a singer-songwriter, bassist, and guitarist. She has performed with legendary artists including Jeff Beck, Prince, Incubus, Eric Clapton, Herbie Hancock, Mick Jagger, Rod Stewart, Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, and many more. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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Big thank you to Crossroads Guitar Festival and Jeff Beck Estate for the footage included in this podcast.
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Jeff Beck & Tal Wilkenfeld at Crossroads: • Jeff Beck & Tal Wilken...
Guitar: Jeff Beck
Bass: Tal Wilkenfield
Drums: Vinnie Colaiuta
Keyboards: Jason Rebello
"Cause We've Ended As Lovers" is originally by Stevie Wonder
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
1:08 - Jeff Beck
10:00 - Confidence on stage
26:39 - Leonard Cohen
34:39 - Taxi Driver
46:00 - Songwriting
49:40 - How to learn and practice
1:08:10 - Slap vs Fingerstyle
1:14:33 - Davie504
1:18:53 - Prince
1:24:30 - Jimi Hendrix
1:26:44 - Mentorship
1:33:02 - Sad songs
1:39:00 - Tal performs Under The Sun (live)
1:44:16 - Tal performs Killing Me (live)
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1:08 - Jeff Beck
10:00 - Confidence on stage
26:39 - Leonard Cohen
34:39 - Taxi Driver
46:00 - Songwriting
49:40 - How to learn and practice
1:08:10 - Slap vs Fingerstyle
1:14:33 - Davie504
1:18:53 - Prince
1:24:30 - Jimi Hendrix
1:26:44 - Mentorship
1:33:02 - Sad songs
1:39:00 - Tal performs Under The Sun (live)
1:44:16 - Tal performs Killing Me (live)
seeing Dave Rubin cry about you blocking him on x made my day sir
@@dudet9662how is this any relevant to the topic of the current podcast?
@@TheNheg66 don't cry to me, guy.. go cry to dave
Dude, you have hit a home run with this interview. She’s an absolute genius. So many legendary musicians names came up in this interview. Speaking of which, you have to get one of her partners in groove, the Da Vinci of drums, Vinnie Colaiuta. He’s playing with her and the great Jeff Beck. Awesome that you’re interested in music & you play guitar? Thanks for all the awesome interviews Lex. 🍻
Get Gary Clark Jr on podcast @LexFridman. Also James Hetfield, Kirk Hammet, or Lars Ulric would be cool!
Thanks for having me on the podcast Lex. So much fun chatting with you
Thanks for all the great music, Tal
Great interview Tal. You might enjoy Sri Aurobindo who inspired Ken Wilber and integrates Vedanta as well. Wishing you all the best.
Thank you for sharing your experience with grief. It's something we all must face in life. I'm working on my journey with loosing my 17 year old son 2 years ago. I agree with you that as hard as it is, you have to sit with it and experience it in order to process it. Loosing my brother and father 2 years prior prepped me in knowing how to navigate such a huge loss. I don't get out much, so it's comforting to hear another souls journey through this test in life. Thank you for sharing your experience. It helped
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It was my dad that introduced me to Jeff Beck. .. my parents loved music and have gifted me with that love.
I believe in the magic that surrounds all of us... it's real.
Thank you for giving it a voice for others to hear❤
Much love to you 🙏🤍
@stephaniebiggs2091 xo much mov
Lex and Tal sitting under tree..
I'm in my home in the southern part of Norway, it's minus twentyone degrees Celsius outside. I'm laying down on my couch, and I've wrapped myself in a fleece blanket listening to this otherworldly conversation with my eyes closed and my ears wide open. I've had a wonderful couple of hours, and my life is way richer knowing Tal and Lex is out there, making this world a more beautiful place for us to live in. Both of them are truly amazing human beings. Thank you!
Well the same for me except I am on the other side of the world in Australia and it is 9.30pm and 28 degrees now. But my experience of the interview is the same.
Beautiful
In 🇻🇺 Vanuatu....28 degrees at 4 am. The same.
Mine kjære landsmenn/kvinn. Vi møtes igjen.
I already knew Tal was one of the most awesome bassists in the world. Didn’t realize until now that she’s also one of the most awesome human beings.
Yes i just discovered this also.
Retch...
I met her at the NAMM show about ten or eleven years ago and she was SO damn cool. She was at the booth of a boutique bass amp company. She had a long line in front of her waiting for autographs and she continued patiently signing them long after "last call" was announced. I was one of the last dozen people to meet with her - about 45 minutes after the last call announcement was made by by her handlers. ...and she still treated me like I was the first person she'd met that day. (I also got to see her perform with Jeff at one of the epic after-parties that night.) I still have her autographed picture hanging in my music shop here on the Big Island of Hawaii. That year I met Eddie Kramer, Phil X, Vinnie Paul, Jim Root, Billy Gibbons, Robby Krieger, Rudy Sarzo and a bunch of other guitar legends, but I still consider my short meeting with Tal to be one of the highlights of that trip.
They say "never meet your heroes" but after 30+ years in the industry, I've only found that to be half true. Some of the most down to earth and humble people I've met have been legends like Tal.
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What an amazing person. The world needs more people like her
If you haven't seen Jeff Beck Live at Ronnie Scott's, its a MUST-WATCH regardless of what kind of music you enjoy. Tal, Vinnie Colaiuta, and Jason Rebello back up some of Jeff's best live work ever captured on film. Joss Stone and Imogen Heap stop by for some guest vocal spots. The who's-who of music royalty are in the audience. The laughs, the smiles, the banter, the solos....its epic.
Absolutely agree, Cause We’ve Ended As Lovers, just absolutely masterful. 🙌
I concur this 100%. Jeff Beck @ Ronnie's is my all time most watched performance, I must have watched it/listened to it start to finish at least 50 times.
Jeff Beck has been one of the most impactful musicians on my musical taste, and THIS is the concert to watch. A revolutionary man.
I have the DVD. Master performance by the whole band and all the guests.
Name check the audience for That show.
Go LEX! What a choice......Tal is phenomenal, what a surprise to see her here......thank you!
Lex falls in love with the brightness known as Tal and there's nowhere for him to go.
I never saw this one coming. Jeff Beck was my favorite guitarist, and tomorrow marks the anniversary of his passing. Tal is phenomenal. Lex continues to surprise with an eclectic mix of interesting people. Keep going!
I met Jeff Beck in Passaic NJ 1971
Tal is such a formidable person. Great choice Lex. Cool, substantive and absolutely bewitching talent. 😊
T'was a delightful and unexpected treat, like discovering a new flavor of ice cream that is melodically delicious.
A very refreshing change of pace. Great interview. ❤ / Tal deserves all the recognition she gets.
LEX! If Tal asks you to wrestle, you say YES!
I always considered Tal as talented, but my god she is so charming and intelligent as well . I’ll be watching this again
I've seen and listened to a lot of podcasts, but this might be my favorite episode of all time. I was tearing up at the end. The conversation and the music at the end somehow pulled the right strings in me. Lex, Tal, i love you. The world needs more people like you.
"To play a wrong note is insignificant; to play without passion is inexcusable." -Ludwig van Beethoven.
"It's not the note you play that's the wrong note - it's the note you play afterwards that makes it right or wrong." -- Miles Davis
A bad note is usually only 1 fret away from a good note. Slide it back and forth and consider it a brilliant jazz riff! 😂
Well put !
@@skippy6086brilliant !
excatlty, and sadly the point most people miss when quoting the "there is no wrong notes" BS ;)
Lex is really pushing the genre of the podcast with this one! Loved it.
I want Maynard on here. When he goes on Rogan its annoying because joe knows nothing about music.
Not at all, this is what podcasts are made to do.
@@portal432and Lex does? I mean he seemed like he was about to go to sleep on this one she had to wake him up.
@@eduardoescobar1906 Yes. Lex plays guitar. He's not pro level, but he's pretty good. ua-cam.com/video/Khf-N2f8T78/v-deo.html
Nah, I disagree. He seemed a bit nervous and self-conscious. Got to cut our buddy some slack. At least he's open and honest about it... remember he told Tal about his thought, something along the line of "why did you ask that?" @eduardoescobar1906
I was at that performance, and me and the other 40,000 people couldn’t believe what we saw when she dropped that incredible bass solo. An absolute high point of that very long, amazing day! Tal is so well spoken and real, and such a gift to the world of music ❤. Thanks for having her on, Lex!
Tal auditioned for my band when she was about 17. She came into the room and we thought it was going to be rough because she looked like an out of place kid. And then she absolutely KILLED IT. We were all laughing after the first song finished because she blew away the 20 bass players who auditioned before her. We had a spec deal with a label so it was a 'join the band' type gig that didn't immediately pay. We offered her the gig but she needed to finish music school first and was really looking to make some needed money so she had to decline. We told her best of luck, keep at it and she'll get somewhere for sure. A few years later I saw her playing with Jeff Beck and texted the guy her brought her for the audition. I asked if he remembered if her name was Tal. He said yes. I said dude, she's playing with Jeff Beck. He said, well, we knew she was amazing. She was an amazing player, super nice and gracious. So happy for her.
I'm loving her confidence, she's really cool. Another great conversation
Is it just me, or is there actually some legitimate chemistry between these two? Something very complimentary and sweet to see, which is enabling a wonderful, sincere conversation. I love this interview!
My thoughts exactly ❤ You can see that she brings down his walls. In my opinion, this would be the perfect match for him. He always seems to ask for advice on love from his guests... here she is, showing him the way.
It's a beautiful interaction.
100%
How ya think she got here to the club yo…
@stephaniebiggs2091 He and his wife treated her like a daughter. He recognized her talent when she auditioned and he thought it was a joke. That she must be Vinnie's girl friend. If you see the end of the crossroads concert it is with Vinnie that she exits the stage. He became her mentor and she has said he was always joking around.
I have questions about some of the interactions between Jeff and Tal. Questions like "What so funny" (at various times including the way Jeff ended Brush With the Blues at 2007 Crossroads) & "What was going on with that table at Ronnie Scott's during stratus? Was it just that they were groovin' or a pick up suggestion? That guy was cute and Tal's eyebrows did that quick up thing" IDK.
Its a real jam when the artists you love are also thoughtful, articulate, humble, and funny. Her last line about watching you play chess with yourself was a great cap to a very fine episode. Thanks for giving the world more time with Tal.
Great observations. I just think she's cool as shit
Yes!
I think anybody can appreciate her bass playing, it's just spot on! But I'd never heard her speak or sing before. I'm even more impressed. The advice of practicing in your head vs with your instrument is something I loved
I already loved this channel but now I love it more. Tal is one of the world's premier bassists in my opinion.
An absolutely iconic performance with Jeff beck , she is an incredible bassist. I was surprised and thankful that you interviewed her!
Only 14 min in and so impressed with her total beauty, deep wisdom, transparency, intelligence, openness, and I can go on and on. She is a pure, beautiful expression. 😊 Only 15 min in and one of the best pods I've seen in so long.
Thanks for having Tal on. She is force of nature on bass!
Lex, hell of an interview! ❤ Music is a substantial part of our everyday lives. More episodes like this! Thank you❤
I haven't even watched this episode yet but I am thrilled you are interviewing her. She is a monster talent.
I agree
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Here we have a very subtle and sophisticated intellect. So much more than just a gifted musician.
This convo was beautiful to listen to. Thank you Lex and Tal... your music is as bold and authentic as you are❤❤🤘🤘
Jeff beck at ronnie scotts is one of the best videos on UA-cam. Incredible
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What an amazing musician Tal Wilkenfeld is! Her greatness is not only her creativity and talent with her music, but it is that she is able to recognize what's real and what's play through her spiritual practices. I'm glad to learn about her in this episode. Thank you Lex for this beautiful addition! Love it a lot.❤
This is the most random collaboration but such a joyful one! I have listened to Tal for years and was super excited to see her appear on Lex's podcast.
When I watched the Crossroads Festival performance for the first time, I was surprised by how confident, relaxed, and mature of a player Tal was - especially given her young age.
I'd be terrified to be in the same room with Jeff and Vinnie. She was like "Right on. Let's do this." Lol !!! Inspiring.
Her voice is beautiful.
I watched Tal play with Jeff Beck at the Crossroads guitar festival. She's amazing. Great guest!
@thomasmyles9392🙄
The Ronnie Scott's gig makes me cry. Great solo there too, Tal.
I was 15 when Jeff Beck’s Blow by Blow album hit the record stores. It changed my life. I didn’t know you could play music in so many different time signatures. A year later Jeff played at the Palace Theater in Waterbury Connecticut. He played with Jan Hammer. I’ve been following Jeff’s career since then and all of his band members careers also. Tal is part of that golden thread.
She has wisdom beyond her years. Clearly it's not her first coming.
Thanks for this one.
Who’s up for a Tal Wilkenfeld and Rick Rubin interview?
Tal, I always thought you were a great bass player and your first CD just floored me. The maturity in your playing the compositions...and you were so young. It is wonderful to find out a little bit about who you are as a person. I loved this interview. You are thoughtful, quick and wise way beyond your years. You will also be somebody's mentor, I'm sure of that.
I LOVE what she said about Confidence and Trust. I am often put off by what many people refer to as “confidence”. Only because it does NOT feel like confidence to me. It feels like insecurity armored with false bravado. Trust feels like a much nicer term to fill that space.
Yes!!
Speaking of musicians, I think Weird Al would make an interesting interview.
Absolutely
Her hair summoned the thought didn't it?
@@pant0sand0hat No, actually, but he was the first musician that came to mind. Weird Al has always been a bit out of the mainstream, and didn't have big success until a couple of decades into his musical career. I think Lex could draw some serious discussion out of him, as Al is a bit light-hearted in shorter formats. Al is 64 now, and in his last concert tour he has been reflective in his commentary and song choice, and I think he has stuff to say outside of his stage persona.
@@MarkRose1337damn Al is AI
Bill Hicks was my first choice.. Andy Kaufman as well, Adam Sandler on Rex, after Weird AI..
Jeff Beck live at Ronnie Scott's concert might be the best band performance by anyone, ever. Thank you Lex, this is a treat. Now if you can just get Tom Waits...
@schizoid21 100% agreed, but double on the Tom Waits. Afraid that I may have missed the time when he still performs in public.
I was lucky enough to see him in 2008, and I had to drive 6 hours to Ohio for it. Didn't even play major cities that tour and all shows sold out instantly.@@snuugumz
27:46 sounds like an insiders grace among famous people, to be relieved to not have someone obsess on you and tell you they think of you all the time, and guilt tripping you for the disappointment of not having expectations fulfilled
I don’t know what I was expecting, but Tal is so much more intelligent and deep than anyone else I know.
I wish I had a community like this to be a part of.
"Next you're gonna tell me they're just actors" lmao! Best. Lex. Reaction. Ever.
What a delightful surprise to see Tal Wilkenfeld on the show. Been a fan ever since the Crossroads performance with Jeff Beck. Tal is a phenomenal talent, a phenomenal soul. I loved listening to you two chopping it up. Lots of interesting subject matter. Really enjoyed it.
Tal is one of those very special people who wants to make great music. Keep plucking Tal we love you.🎼🙏🌹🌹🥰
YESSSSS..... More music guests!!! And I'm SO GLAD to hear you two talking about the great Leonard Cohen.
Michael, good to see you here as well! Great channel brother. I’ve got to dig through your vids and see if you’ve done a Jeff Beck song analysis
Tal, That's one of the best bass solos ever! Jeff obviously knew you were amazing and enjoyed having his mind blown watching and listening you. I'll never forget that moment. I saw Anthony in NYC at Seventh Ave South back when I lived there. He had the best feel of anybody I'd ever seen.
God I hope we get more musical guests *with* instruments. I can't live on Rick Beato alone. :D
You might like Benn Jordan if your algo hasn't already made you aware of him. Some good science of music episodes and music journalism/think pieces.
@@Audiostoke1 Thanks
Beato probly inspired lex to do this subliminally // we all need more art and life in our “lives”
lol yeah ))
Tal, years ago I saw the Jeff beck performance and cried!!! I sent it to all my friends and family.
what a great interview. your an even more incredible person!! same goes for you too lex!
I have Tal's first album titled 'Transformation', I actually ordered for the CD when it came out. It's one of the most musical albums I've ever heard (and I've heard/had/listened to lots of albums). That band was incredible.
By citing my favorite/Electric Bass G.O.A.T Anthony Jackson as her mentor, I now like her even more 😎
Greetings from Uganda 🇺🇬👊🏿🖤
❤Lex, this is so unexpectedly fabulous of you to gift us this musical wonder known as Tal Wilkenfeld! You are always a creative force and ever outdoing your best. Thank you
Thank you for having her on,as a musician this is a true treat.
Hi
Music Heals 🤎
@@Isabelle-qc5yx Hello out there.
@Isabelle-qc5yx It truly is like medicine,are you a musician?
I was at the 2007 Crossroads festival with my then 17 yr old blues loving daughter. The whole day was amazing, but the Jeff Beck set was beyond magical. First time my daughter and I had ever seen Tal, my daughter laughed saying Tal looked about 15. We were in the upper stands near the stage, and could look down into the ball field where everyone, all day long was milling around during the day. During Jeff’s set, I happened to look down at the field, and almost no one was moving. The crowd, including us, were literally entranced by the music, and the conversation between the musicians. Most sets were only 1/2 hour long, but Jeff and Tal played for an hour. It was one of the most amazing, enriching, magical concert experiences i have ever had, and I’ve been going to them since the early 70’s. Tal Wilkinson is an amazing musician, but more than that, she is wise beyond her years, an old soul if you will, with heart and soul shining through her music. Wonderful interview, thank you.
Dude's a clear example of how applying dhamma practice to every moment keeps the mind/conditioning in check. She's real, matter of fact, and just keeps saying true and therefore wise things. Awesome.
Oh my god, I'm so glad you had Tal on... I have been madly in love with her since I first saw her play with Jeff several times in the late 2000s. Jeff is one of a kind, and it's very fitting that she was who he chose to play with.
I have watched/listened to you from the beginning, and this I think is my first comment. You are amazing.
What an AMAZING human being! Thank you so very much for this interview! Always loved her work, now totally in love with her as a spiritual person 🙏
I'm such a great fan of Tal Wilkenfeld ever since i discovered her.
No doubt she is such an extraordinary talent.
I thought this session with Lex would essentially revolve around her music - the technicalities industry life on the road and such like..
But she surprised me with her maturity and depth as a person. She is so well read in the mystical texts.
Now i know where the music in her comes from. It's from her soul that she diligently serves through her various spiritual practices.
She is a much needed example to young upcoming musicians on how to have a complete and satisfying life, integrating music into their whole life , not letting it be just a part that fills a hole, helps gain social attention and serves to pay the bills .. Bravo Tal !!
“If you’re not living on the edge, you’re taking up too much room “.
Tal lives that.
I saw her on stage with Jeff Beck and she was so awesome. She looked so young but already super talented. Impressive !
I’ve only watched a 9 minute clip lex put up but I’m so fired up to hear this in its entirety. Thank you lex for doing this. What a blessing.
Wise beyond her years and a great teacher.
Lex is a great interviewer. He doesn't cut his guest off at the knees, and he asks "interesting questions."
Good heavens what a special treat this was. Tal is amazing but the two of you bantering amazing as well. Thanks so much. Now I gotta go practice my guitar❤!!!
I have always wanted to Talk with her! Thank you for glimpse into brilliant creativity.
My goodness, this is a tremendous interview, and my favorite. Tal is a lovely, dynamic, talented, and deep human being. I was in awe the whole time. Thank you for this conversation, Lex. ❤
Wow. Those songs at the end. That was a séance.
Whoa, I did not expect Tal here! What a legend. Well two legends here.
This podcast was so brilliant, insightful, inspirational! I've always admired Tal, as a musician, but this interview reveals the spiritual soul underneath the music. I haven't been lucky in my musical journey to have found a mentor, most likely my own fault.Tal will make a wonderful teacher, mentor. I'm grateful for finding this podcast, it made me think of things I need to find in my own life....I wish I had a mentor in my life like Tal.....You make me wonder....you make me smile....you make me musical! Greg.
So we’ll times to release this, one year after his passing, thank you so very much.
Days later, I am still riding the high of witnessing these two souls resonating
No way!!!! One of my favourite bass players. Very refreshing
Thank you Lex for interviewing Tal. She has been at the table with ALL of the legends. What does make her? A legend.
Is it normal for musicians to have this kind of darkness and love? I have loved so many of these lex conversations; this one hits on the heart strings.
Tal you are so genuine. I love everything about you. Thank You so much for the joy you're playing has brought to me. But more importantly thank you for the joy you brought to Jeff. I've seen Jeff at least 20 times in my life and his happiness on stage comes from the people he pushes to another level and the people who push him as well. You and Vinnie with Jason made Jeff so happy. I've never seen it to that level with anyone else. I'm glad he was able to feel that joy with what I believe to be the best quartet ever. Thank You And God Bless
Damn I was already a huge fan of hers. Thank you for this interview. She is beyond amazing.
Awesome. I've been in awe of Tal since her first CD. She's a rocker... I dug this interview a lot. Thank you, Lex. Thank you, Tal.
You both rock!
Lex, you are so gifted at your craft. What makes you shine, is you are honest, sincere and vulnerable. Thank you for helping us grow further on our journey.
Tal on bass. Sina on drums. Carol king on piano. Slash on guitar. Dee Snider on vocals.
Ultimate hair band!
😂😂
Wow! Awesome interview. What a cool person.
The wisdom Tal speaks without judgement is priceless.
Absolutely awesome interview, thank you for being so open, Tal. I resonate so much with your mindset and approach to both music and life. You have such an eloquent way of describing it all. And your voice is very soothing, I can feel it coming from a purely authentic place. You are a fearless and beautiful soul!
Just yesterday i was seeing the live with Jeff Beck and now she is on your podcast. Life is funny sometimes
A glimpse of the glue that holds it all together.❤️🌹j.
I love the idea of you expanding your range of guests in different disciplines and walks of life. So many wonderful conversations to have and so little time.
Tal is a treasure. I’m floored by her level of insight.
I love Tal Wilkenfeld! She was one of my early influences as a bass player.
What an inspiring person. Hopefully, I'll find Tal on UA-cam. Thanks, Lex. I'm new to your podcasts and gotta say you are the most genuine person. Much love from the UK.
Im so in awe by the range of things the hands can do, the same hand can create a beautiful symphony, heal, or destroy. I absolutely love it when used for good.
So nice to have Tal. Thank you.
What an incredibly insightful conversation….just brilliant!
Thank you both for this genius!🙏🏻
Knew she was a great musician Knew she was a beautiful woman now i know she's a Beautiful Soul. Thanks Lex you Mensch 🤙
She is absolutely wonderful.
Thank you for bringing her on the show! What a great spirit!
Thank you for keeping hope and real conversation alive, Lex.
Thank you for this inspiring Tal's advice to walk toward your fears is epic. Tal's observation that there's nothing to fear when performing music is very helpful. Lex more music and arts interviews, please. Your love of the arts comes through and is important.
Hi Lex. This is my favourite ever podcast episode of all the millions I’ve watched. I love how you ask questions that move this incredible woman deeper, so she reveals her most beautiful self. This is the only episode I’ve added to my watch again and again list.
I’m so grateful for people like you, who take the risks to do the hard and painstaking work to bring people like me this precious gift.
This is where I find inspiration, validation and comfort.
We all have the struggle, some more than others, and yearn for purpose… more from life.
I love how you explore this in your work. And with the utmost respect and humility.
You’re a rare gem.
What a beautiful conversation with so many pearls of wisdom throughout - Thank you Lex and Tal for this.