Tested's New CNC Machine: Assembling the X-Carve Pro!
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2021
- We're back in the Tested studio after a year in lockdown to assemble and set up a new CNC machine for our workshop: Inventables' new X-Carve Pro CNC. Jen and Norm put together the 2-foot by 4-foot CNC and compare its setup and operation to that of the original X-Carve. The whole build took less than two hours, and we run through Inventables' Easel software for our first test cut. We're looking forward to a whole new world of projects with this CNC in our shop toolset!
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Disclosure: This machine was provided by the manufacturer for purposes of review. Find out more about the X-Carve Pro here: www.inventables.com/technologies/x-carve-pro
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People that need free stuff get nothing, while those that can afford it get it for free, as long as they flog it to those that cant really afford it.
So nice to see you guys interacting with each other for the first time in a year! Have totally missed your team collabs.
Thank you. We've really missed it too.
@@tested if you're both quarantined... why not just take off your mask? You're on a show with 5.5 M subscribers...
@@BrandonKent136 Variants.
@@timlaunyc Might as well stay inside and hide for the rest of your life at that point
Dust Collection will be needed. 🙂 Adam knows about that.
Tested: They have this proprietary clamps.
Umm... Those aren't proprietary, they are called step clamps. They are pretty common in a machine shop.
There are better machines you can get for $9,000. Absolutely nuts price. And that's the 25% off price! It's normally $12,000
Would you name some?
Yeah, it's actually ridiculous.
@@utooboobnoob Sure, Avid CNC (formerly CNC Router Parts), Stepcraft (you can get a machine with an ATC from them for this price, it might be a bit less rigid but ATC is more valuable than the little bit of extra rigidity especially if you're machining wood--AND it includes a copy of Vcarve Pro...), CAMaster Stinger series, or for under $2000 you can built a PrintNC (this is a fair bit of work but you'll end up with a machine that has nicer electronics than the xcarve and isn't tied to crappy web based Easel)
Of if you're willing to import a machine from China, you can get a 4x8 cast iron machine that uses NEMA 34 steppers for right around $4000....
@@utooboobnoob Onefinity, $2500 or so. It's better in every possible way.
@@timr86868 Ya, been eying the PRO4896 from Avid for ages. Was excited for a bit seeing this video, but 9k+ is insane. I am glad they got a CNC though no matter how they got it. Cant wait for the content.
A day that I stop learning something new is going to be a sad day. Thanks for the information, the demonstrations, and your love of machines and the entire process. You two are a credit to the maker field! What a fantastic contribution.
DON'T TEMPT ME! ... you guys make me want more machines than I can possible justify. ... BTW: keep up the good work! Addendum: bonus points for highlighting the importance of leveling your machines! Everything that has moving parts will benefit from being properly level.
Calling upon C-137
If you're going to get a CNC router make your own. The kits are a rip off. If you have other tools you can put a machine together like this for a fraction of what integrators charge. Full price on this model is 10 grand. You can make it with 2 grand of parts and materials. Maybe less if you are careful. But to be successful you need a range of skills. Sets of skills most don't have. People good at mechanics tend to be bad at electronics and vise versa.
@@sallesekulic That's *exactly* the level of level-ness I am talking about!
The price for this is insane. Would never pay that much for this.
Really nice, sturdy machine. I kept thinking "adjust that depth to finish within a wood layer, not in the adhesive!"
This feels like a commerical
It is a commercial, that's Inventables entire business model. Send super expensive machines to UA-camrs who would otherwise not buy them and don't know much about CNC machines so they can advertise it.
@@timr86868 well its on tested also. They did not need to make it into a commercial. This video just feels like a latenight infomercial. Really makes took my opinion of tested down
@@jboy27 yeah but now they have a swank CNC machine and you don't. Or do you? I have a ghetto CNC machine I made myself. She don't look like much. Works OK though.
I love it when people say "feeds and speeds", that's my language!
Glad to FINALLY see a maker BOLDLY using a CNC Router. I've had one for years now and had to learn all on my own because makers everywhere SHAME CNCers as "not real woodworkers". I now have a new Axiom 2' x 4' and again, glad to see makers finally catching up...beyond ready to see CNC content.
I have a CNC machine and I'd be the first to say that CNC is not real woodworking. Because I do that too.
I also "do that too" @@1pcfred ... for 37 years now...and I disagree...vehemently. /deep bow
@@rolandgdean there are plenty of accomplished woodworkers that have never touched a CNC machine. I am OK standing with them on this matter too. As the craft of woodworking very much involves the hand skills involved in the task. That is not to say that operating a CNC machine does not involve skills itself. Just that they are vastly different.
@@1pcfred To your point, there are plenty of "accomplished woodworkers" who have never touched a table saw either...I meet with and speak with them regularly in Ohio's Amish country where I get most of my wood. A CNC router is just a tool...just like any other. You're certainly right in that it takes a certain skill set to use PROPERLY (similar to other woodworking tools, like hand planers and lathes) but it is a just a tool, non-the-less. I've never taken a work piece off my CNC and sent it to a Customer without "woodworking" that piece in some way afterward. However, I digress, I'm only saying all this to share MY PERSPECTIVE and not to denigrate yours in any way, of course. Thanks for sharing your opinion on the matter...I will consider it with respect as I hope you will mine.
@@rolandgdean there is such a thing as trying to embrace the spirit of meaning. CNC machines differ radically from tools that have come before them too. In fact they are not just tools. They are machines. There are distinctions between the two classifications. Beyond that there is the complexity of the programmable nature of CNC machines to consider as well. It is not a stretch to say that CNC machines can operate with no human intervention whatsoever. It just takes a number of them in the right configuration to do that. See SCARA arm.
Where are the videos from the raptor suit? I wanted to see that completed!
cant wait to see what Jen gets up to with that cnc in the future. great work Tested
Yay Jen and Norm! Awesome!
A nice tipp to the wires, it would go much faster when all plugs have a color dot.
Two beautiful people building a beautiful machine
Great video! Thanks guys
This is gonna be a good watch.
Thanks for the informative video. Could you please tell me the expected assembly time for X-Carve Pro?
What? No dust collection? I saw a UA-cam on that somewhere recently.
"And it's been a few weeks" ..... trying to get the dust out of everything it the studio from that one leveling of the surface ..... hope you get shopvac
This was a nice video. Easy to see how dust would be a problem as it was working that board. I also didn't have any issues understanding you guys with the masks. Stay safe!
I wonder if you get the 2x4 machine if they'll have an upgrade kit to the 4x4? Say you move to a new larger space or some like that.
The most underrated tool ever .... freaking applebox
Nice presentation 👍
Very nice video, thank you for sharing👍👍👍what’s driving the Y axis? Ball bearing screw as the X axis? Rack and pinion or belts?
I wasn’t fully paying attention when this notification came up on my phone and thought it was a early Wintergatan Marble Machine X upload. 😅
Maybe today, again.
Still waiting for Martin to ask Adam to machine a part for the MMX
@@joeldday I thought Martin would commission BOXES for each section of the MMX for international transport as Adam LOVES Boxes.
I also am waiting for Martin's promised 'tomorrow's episode.
I own one of the earlier X-Carve models. I must admit, since buying it, I've learned a lot about smaller CNC manufactures. (I had two semesters of CNC back in college 20-some years ago where we wrote G-code line by line, so I really know how long that took). I've found that Inventables is starting to fall behind other manufacturers, and the Easel software by Inventables isn't all that great. An amazing software program that is used by hobbyists and even professionals, is V-Carve by Vectric. I must admit, after using V-carve, I've never thought about designing in Easel.
heh, how much did it hurt to see it stop right at the glue layer? :p
It is actually easy to fix. One thing CNC machines do really well is cut again. So you can just adjust the height and let it cut another pass a little deeper. It will cut precisely where it cut before. When I isolation route PCBs I'll go over the board a bunch of times just to clean the whole pattern up.
SO much! It’s actually fairly nice ply. We were short on time but would have been easy to do another pass
Awesome video!
The price for this machine is bonkers!!! Would never pay that much for this. 12,000! Insanity!
Anyone else notice the velociraptor videos are gone? What happened?
very cool !
Now that is a really nice machine. Great review. I’d like to get one for myself.
The first time I misheard it as "The Evil Software", I know it is "The Easel Software", but I can't unhear it now.
Woh, cool. May I see it one day?
Cool. Can it bring back the Velociraptor. 🥳
would've liked to have seen the vacuum dust shoe
that's prety average bang for your buck with a 7.5 grand pricetag (in promo)
Awesome
What brand is Norm's ear protection ? Looks nice.
Shouldn't you have cross measured that frame to ensure "square" instead of using that tiny square at the joints?
Is there a discount code for Tested members? I’ve wanted this for a while.
Any more feedback/ comments for us people waiting for our X carve pro?
Ooh I want that so bad...
That's a big beast of a machine, but it being too close to the laser cutter makes me uneasy. You really need to have dust collection there.
Hey, what happened to Adam’s velociraptor suit build series?
The Shapeoko Pro is 1/3 of the price and has many more features, like software that runs without an internet connection. You have to be connected to the internet for the Easel software to run.
Of all the machines i looked at this was the only one I didn’t consider, due 100% to it’s online-only nature. Gotta be connected to use it. Wanted to go with the Shapeoko Pro XXL but the great shipping crisis of 2021 (look it up, it was a thing) led me to the Openbuilds Lead 1010 instead.
This is a standard type of tooling clamp used on milling machines.
What computer did you use or recommend?
i wanted one to make a wooden r2d2 frame. i have a fully 3d printed one and thought it would be cool to make quick wooden ones out of scrap wood and styrene or even sheet aluminum for skins.
as well other making other larger star wars props to help raise money for charity..
Adam: Let's build another dust collection system for it.
UA-cam hid this from my sub box fyi. I have to search channel vids to find the good stuff.
“Easily accessible”...........If you have $12,000.00😬
And for this price they even don't have some simple cover of rails and ball screw on gantry😒
I think they meant "accessible" as in easy to understand, not easy to afford.
@@TonyMueller I find the tool chain I use to generate G Code for my machine easy enough for me to understand. But I've used some of the more difficult parametric modeling software too. 2.5D tends to be easy. True 3D is where it gets tricky.
@@TonyMueller this may be true. But "getting into" also covers buying. Not just software
Add to that, IIRC, Easel still requires a persistent internet connection.
These guys need to visit an actual machine shop
I miss the days when Tested was accessible to the masses. Videos like this showcasing $11k+ machines aren't anywhere near the realm of possible for anyone but the independently wealthy.
If you have good credit and make a lot of money, Affirm *might* let you finance it for about the same monthly payment as a used car!
@@timr86868 so basically if you are a worthwhile human being then. Otherwise ua-cam.com/video/T_17vRAsbOs/v-deo.html
@@1pcfred if you were "financially viable" you wouldn't be using Affirm anyway. that's the joke.
@@timr86868 I do not need to use Affirm. I always pay cash.
Mechanically a simple machine, I reckon most of the cost must be in the software user interface, because there's nothing for guarding or dust extraction.
Not sure what takes up so much space in the control box either; 6x limit switches, z datum puck , 5/6 stepper motor control signals, spindle power and spindle speed could easily be handled by something down to a Pi or 'Duino sized microcontroller.
The software is free. Arduinos cannot do motion control very well. They lack the computational resources. They can't do path prediction for instance. I run my CNC machine on a 2.5 GHz dual core. I run a 20K nanosecond real time loop. Which is marginal for software step generation. The PC I use was cheaper than an Arduino or Pi though. I paid $5 for it. it was, "distressed" when I got it.
what? $11,995.00 USD
I didn't miss all the unnecessary zooms and focus shifts.
wish i could afford that 9 thousand dollar machine
Still talk about massive. did you ever seen massive cnc router? :D
Is there no dust collection with this guy?
Maybe the machine is female .... ?
@@peterkelley6344 that was wrong of me to assume the machine's gender. So sorry.
@@johna9634 it has an outie tool. So we can safely assume it is a male.
"Its be a couple month" ..because we had to clean this MDF dust in the complete building
Lol running that flattening pass without dust collection. Your office must have been wrecked
For something that costs that much, why did they use those cheap connectors everywhere? Reminds me of S-Video, not suitable at all for a machine like this.
I believe those are microphone jacks? But yeah I'd want to see aircraft cable connectors there. If one of those pops out while you're running you can kiss a driver goodbye.
You're not wrong, these actually are regular, non-locking(!!!) S-video connectors.
@@Spirit532 Man, that's so disappointing. Those connectors are not very secure at all and pretty easy to damage by just bumping them.
Linear rails and ball screws?
Proper!
I use drawer slides and acme threads. I get thousandth repeatable accuracy too. That machine can accelerate faster than mine can though. I'm not in that big of a rush really.
They'll be quite dead very quickly, as there's nothing protecting them. The rail wipers in the carriages are NOT meant to wipe chips and grime off the rails, they're meant to wipe clean, maybe marginally dusty and oiled rails.
Same goes for screws and ballnut wipers.
@@Spirit532 I'd wager that machine will last the rest of Adam's life mechanically. I doubt he's going to use it heavily. The cheap Chinese capacitors in it will be gone in a few years though. I bet the SMPS in it will actually catch fire when it goes. I just saw one torn down that had used caps in it. When the parts were salvaged they dented the cans. So they took wax and filled in the dents and resleeved them. Was pretty shocking. Wasn't the only failing of the unit either.
I actually assumed they had the usual accordion-style covers but removed them for looks/learning.
Seems like they don’t have any protection. Pity.
God if this could machine tool steel I'd be all over it.
TELL ADAM TO MAKE A TINFOIL DORODONGO BALL!!!!!!
You guys need to cut circles if you really want to test it's accuracy
Why does the cut look so dirty like that? Is it burning the surface? It's wild to me that wasn't addressed in a 'review'.
Is xcarve pro really legit. My order been on back order almost one year now
V I S U A L - R E P R E S E N T A T I O N
It would be so great if this was done by more tech savvy hosts.
Hey they got it running. If they can do it then anyone can.
You guys should have used a machinist square and not a carpentry square
It seems to have worked for them. Squares are not really how you square stuff like this up. I used a Hoke gauge block set to setup my CNC machine. A big set.
they provide this proprietary system that has well, been used by literally the machining industry since god knows when long before x-carve has existed right? so very proprietary so the rest of the machining industry must now pay them royalties to use the tech the machining industry created LOL next Adam will be telling the rest of the movie industry that have to pay him for inventing special effects.
You can get Onefinity CNC JourneyMan for $3k and then just buy your own spindle.
It's a little bit expensive :D
You have to pay for the convenience of someone else engineering it all for you. But if you can do that sort of thing yourself you can save a considerable amount. It is still going to take you quite some time to do though. I don't care how good you are.
10 grand
Where CC can't read ur lip with mask on if u guys put CC on PLS
9000 UDS.. This is a lot more accessible.. emhhh alrighty then.
That's actually not proprietary clamps, it's an open standard design that was published like 8 years ago... :\ I bet they are charging an arm and a leg for that stuff... ugh..
Awww thought it was Kari Byron. NVM bye!
Inventables really missed the mark on this one. I was completely shocked when I saw the $9k "special" price and the $12k retail price for this machine. No one in their right mind will buy this. You can get a comparably build machine from Cnc4newbie for half the price and a MUCH MORE capable Avid CNC for $9k.
Think u need a mic inside the masks? Or maybe clipped to the outside of it?
19:57 After a couple weeks of use with such a robust and "accessible" machine, I can't understand why you are showcasing such a timid use case.
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At $10k its not a hobbyist machine. :(
Why not? $10K is not a lot for hobbyists to spend. There's some pretty expensive hobbies out there. Boating, racing, etc.
Three minutes in and I am thinking WHO at tested advocated for this monster work station???
Remind us again CNC stands for what?
CNC = Computer Numerical Control.
wow don't let IKEA see these....
Get it before the price goes up to 10 grand. My home built machine cost me $300. Doesn't look as nice. Does the same thing.
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How about testing something way cheaper?
Too bad you cut into that nasty glue layer.
Huh
Way too pricey, looks a lot more reliable then the first xcarve but still way to expensive for what it is.
all i hear is mrrrhhhh pffff murrr mrrrr prrrrrr
Yikes. $12k for this toy, with *non-locking s-video connectors* for motors?
Uncovered rails and screws? Tiny NEMA23 steppers at this price point? Air-cooled unprotected spindle with no ATC?
This machine is a total joke. Oh, and web-based software, which means when(not if) their website becomes inaccessible, you've got an expensive brick.
Yep. Way overpriced for what you get. So many better options in this price range and under.
Cloud subscription otherwise your machine turns into a pumpkin. Internet needed to load or save files. Steppers and not servos. NO THANK YOU!
What's wrong with steppers? The machine moved fine. WTF are you looking for?
@@1pcfred The price. At $12k, I would expect nothing less than cheap-ish AC servos.
@@Spirit532 what would servos do that steppers cannot in this application? Besides assuage your expectations, that is.
@@1pcfred Be more accurate, faster, have no lost steps, be quieter.
@@Spirit532 With the rolled ballscrews this machine uses you are not going to get better accuracy out of servos. You can map the machine anyways if it is a concern of yours. Not going to give you faster either. If you're losing steps you're just doing it wrong. Stepper motors run properly should not make noise. I've run stepper motors on pure sine waves and they are whisper quiet then. I've run them with inductive sense resistors too. Then they're loud. So if your stepper motors are noisy that is indicative of them being driven incorrectly. Usually they're being run over current. Stepper motors are not intuitive in their use. There's a lot of idiots out there trying to use them too. The same folks who have no chance of tuning servos.