3 Liter Turbo Diesel vs 427 Big-Block V8 Pulling Test! BeamNG. Drive
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2022
- Yet another Germany vs U.S. engine confrontation :D
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Although there is almost 100hp power difference, diesel stayed in powerband and did better result in final towing. Gas engine has nearly 370hp but only utilized 240hp because of staying under the powerband.
Correct; a high stall torque converter would come in handy there
@@aintaintaword666 from the torque converter slipping there would be some power loss tho
@@dieselgeezer18 Higher RPMs would eliminate that
Horsepower isn’t very useful in this sense.
@@aintaintaword666 Again, horsepower isn’t a _direct_ measure of the force applied, thus there’s no reason to use it.
19,3 psi is 1,3 bars, so total intake pressure is 2,3 bars multiply that with 3 liters and you will get 6,9 liters. We could say they have same displacement, it's just different fuel.
N/A engines work with less than 1 bar because they need vacuum to keep the air flow. So it would be even less than a 7.0
@@unaibermejo2627 actually if you have right intake manifold size, you can create overpressure in the cylinder and work with more than 1 bar. It works that way that when piston stops at BDC momentum of air still moves air inside and creates overpressure.
@@technicbuilder6410 for what🤔
The problem I see is that the NA engine runs with around 1 atmosphere, while the Diesel runs with only 0,3 more....not 2,3....! So 3.9 liters of Displacement for the Diesel, not 6,9!
@@huey-fan8335 1.3 is the turbo over pressure, it have to be added to the natural pressure that is about 1 bar, so at the end you get about 2.3 bar
Genuinely surprised it was so close, actually think the diesel came out doing a bit better at the end there
disel with less power but the same torque and the same gearing be better in how much at end it can pull uphill if max tq be lower on rpm assuming v8 would not accelerate to enough biger velocity before uphill start cos than its more momentumthrow him further assuming we start drive uphill on the same gearing gear at the same velocity disel with max tq lower on rpm go higher however v8 with more power with optimal gearing diffrend than this disel can exert more pulling force at the same velocity assuming we setup gearing in both for peak power rpm so disel 3,5-4 k vs v8 like 6 k rpm at let say both 30 mph starting than v8 go higher uphill or with biger loead on both vehicle however it depend how power graph go thrugh whole rpm range even with such regulation disel can go further with lower max the same torque at 1 gear depend how big load be if or not velocity drop if drop and in v8 be rapidli drop power under peak power rpm than it may still lost 👌🏻 so deepnt how we setup regulation it can go either way at end which be able to put shorter 1 gear and which would have max tq lower on rpm go uphill with biger load but slower before stop 👌🏻assuming we have infinite gear v8 beat this disel cos have more power 👌🏻in last attempt where bpth stop if ypuw atch closely disel go higher 👍🏻
@@mociczyczki If you look at the powerband in the top left the V8 has more low-end torque as well as more horsepower whereas the diesel makes slightly more torque on the mid-end the V8 has a more consistent powerband which leaves them pretty even. Diesel is a lot more efficient though.
@@matthewmorgan582 1250- 3000rpm disel have more torque 🤷🏻♂️if you look closely 🧐👌🏻with the same gearing disel win uphill on 1 gear to the limit cos make the same max torque but lower on rpm 👍🏻 however assuming infity gear v8 win cos have more max power both with perfect gearing let say 6 manual both and v8 beat this disel in this simulation in normal road condition like acceleration with heavy load to 62 mph or vmax with heavy load or which could go uphill at specified velocity wothout loosing this velocity with biger load etc the only reason why disel slightly win last attempt is cos he gave them the same gearing 👌🏻 if this v8 instead of do 1,5 biger velocity on 1 gear than this disel will do the same velocity on peak power it would win last attempt be huge margin probably drive whole this hill but than again in such type of test leverage aka shortest first gear you can put in win even 1 hp engine with enough short 1 gear be able to go up this hill with all those load but it would need for do this „100 years „👌🏻😁 with anough good gearing your legs on bicycle pedal mounted in this car be able to go up this hill 🤷🏻♂️ if you have enough long and light to lift it up but enough strong to not break it let say magic stick however from up to down it doesent need to be light anyway 😉 with point of resist ratio 1:100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 etc you be able to lift earth while be weak small person 🤷🏻♂️ when he setup hees test be give the same gearing in such uphill pull always win vehicle which engine characteristic makes more peak torq at lower rpm assuming similar peak level welll the truth is this which makes best power to velocity ratio depend on engine characteristic 100 hp at 20 km/h at 2000 rpm will pull harder than 20 hp at 10 km / h at 1000 rpm but weaker than 75 hp at 10 km/ h and the same as 50 hp at 10 km / h cos watt : m / s = force in fact there akso go into for mula for such test slightly biger drag at biger velocity snd rolling tesist and wheel biger inertia rotation energy consume some part power and shaft in favor lower velocity but in me egzample diffrent are sp big that dosent count except 100 hp on 20 km /h vs 50 hp on 10 km/h in this egzample i put money on 50 hp 10 km/h that it pull lil more upthis hill wothout loosing its constant 10 km/h velocity 👌🏻bigest load which specified vehicle up such hill can pull is load which dont drop down rpm under max torq rpm but also dont allow engine to spin biger rpm once rpm drop below peak torq its game over and soner or later vehicle stop if hill be enough long 😁👌🏻at least in most egzample cos of those resist to thrust ratio in some egzample may happen that at lower rpm engine will have better pulling capability than at max torq but that be rare egzample but 100% posible it just need to have specified engine characterisitoc = specified level of torq on specified rpm on foxed gear let say feg 99 nm at 1000 rpm pull 100% stronger than 100 nm at 10000 rpm in the same vehicle at the same gear cos in this egzample at 100 nm at 10000 rpm velocity be 10 times biger where rolling and drag and rptstional i ertia of wheel etc are way biger let say 5 at 1000 rpm vs 50 km/h at 10000 rpm despite at 10000 rpm is max tq it would not pull as much at those velocity as pn 5 km/h at 1000 rpm in this specifid egzample 👍🏻 but in most egzample peak torq should give max pulling capabilities 👌🏻like atleast in 51 on 100 🤔
That's why diesel is used in trucks, it's better for heavy loads.
You fuck the video you are spoiling the final you moron
Horsepower: rate of workdone.
Torque: force required for rotation.
Torque produced at higher rpms means more engine hp while torque produced at lower rpms means higher torque but less hp.
But in this case it's not really comparable. NA petrol 7.0 V8 from the 80s/90s vs modern Turbo Diesel V6.
A BMW S55 has massive torque low down and up to 5000 rpm, then the engine has max power from 5000 rpm all the way to the redline.
With modern turbo systems you can have your cake and eat it.
Horsepower:how fast you hit a tree after 1/4 mile
Torque:how much you can drag that tree😅
@@robertpuscasu6494 Torque: how fast i can drag my ass around the city
I love the brute force of a pulling test
That 3.0L sounds exactly like mine in my jeep
Would be cool to see equal liters non turbo, and equal liters turbo to see how they would fair out in a pulling test too
diesel would win without a problem
@@cyan4811 NA diesel has no torque and power, if you haven't driven one, you have no idea how bad they are
@@peyopeev8909 idk, european ones are just fine
@@cyan4811 fine? they have 0 god damn power
They still have better torque/horsepower ratio than gasoline cars@@peyopeev8909
3.0 sounds realistic af
pretty interesting test, anyone know if there is an average fuel consumption formula for this?
I want to see a 7 liter non turbo diesel versus a 7 liter gas big block 🤫
A non turbo'ed 7.0 would probably lose. Diesels don't scale well without forced air. Gas however tends to trend fairly consistent. Look at fords early 7.0's They were reliable but that's about it. They put a turbo on it and it became something special.
@@skurblord3401 diesel engines don't make much power without boost pressure or a power adder. So to make it a fair test both need to be the same displacement and both boosted or naturally aspirated.
by the time you got to the 3rd trailer you forgot to animate the smoke coming from the frying clutch trying to get things moving.
I think staying in one single gear and having the same rev limiter would really put to the test what comes out on top. I think the v8 held the advantage at the beginning simply by being at a faster speed.
If we would check ECONOMY of each, a HUUUUGE difference wil be shown between gasoline and diesel. Probably even doubled mpg for diesel powered truck.
Exactly what I was about to say
If you had optimal gearing to utilize the engine the big block wouldve won hands down vs the diesel :)
The diesel gets to its meaty power on the last test but doesnt have enough total HP to get up the hill BUT the gasoline v8 doesnt get even close to its peak HP curve, ALSO not hitting its max engine torque because the first gear is so long ;)
Ha this is actually a cool test for me as I've got a 454 big block in my old Airstream B190 van, and my new Sprinter 4x4 I just bought has a 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel :D
Can anyone tell me please what mods those are for showing the performance data and the power curve?
I want to see one where its matched for fuel economy since thats the running cost people have to shop by. Turbo diesel vs petrol but they both have to return as close as possible fuel economy and see which pulls the most.
It’s funny, just a month ago.. I did exactly did this… sold my touareg 3.0 TDI, and bought a ram 5.7 hemi. And I was a diesel man, and to be honest I still am.. the Hemi is good, and has enough torque to pull heavy trailers speaking European terms.. but I just miss that low end torque so much.. so maybe I’ll get myself a Cummins..
Pay attention to Fuel Mileage too. The Diesel may have been slightly slower but the Mileage was a fair bit better
yeah, even in cars, a 2L i4 diesel can be way more efficient than a 1L i3 petrol, 35mpg compared to 55 average
What an interesting results that was 😲
That the diesel engin had more torque than gasolin engin
What mod u usted for the 3.0 TDI
I would like it better if they had the newer mirrors or tow mirrors
4 liter diesel V8 vs. 8.0 V10 soon?
Not what I expected, but I gues that's what 7 liters gets you. Have you considered doing a speed-normalized test to simulate if they came up to hill while already driving the speed limit? I feel like that would more clearly show the differences gas and diesel engines towing a load.
Would also like to see a straight 6 vs V8 of the same displacement
Great video, but can you do it again with similar starting speed?
because i think faster speed built from ground will get much momentum advantage
And meanwhile in europe now they sell 2.0l TDiesel trucks and i use a long bed Toyota 1.6 gasoline.... It did though carried 1.5 ton wood for me.. But i would be much happier with the a V6 or V8. Nice comparison though it's great simulation!
The 427 Chevy is my favorite motor ever made
How to attach two trailers?
That's why diesels are used all over Europe, Africa, Asia etc...makes the most sense for heavy stuff, and with better fuel economy.
I want to see a turobless 12 valve do the hill test loaded 😂
Alternate title: AC Cobra motor vs. Volkswagen Dieselgate motor.
Why are you up shifting keep it in powerband otherwise the TQ ain’t doing work
Does anyone know the mod link?
Very interesting. No wonder, why the 3.0 Diesel engine was so prefered here in Germany for over 20 years. Pulling like a bigass 7 liter big block but consumptioning only half of the fuel. So sad, that Diesels more ans more are sentenced to death by politics..
Nothing like a 320d touring. A car to travel 1000 km on a single tank.
100%. In my opinion, no drive train technology ever will be as economical and Balance (Power, Economy, mile range) as the two liter diesel engine.
@@adamweber960 welcome the 1.9tdi
@@eustahijelifetips no. I've owned a 115hp one, and currently own a 2.0tdi, and when compared to the 5500rpm DOHC 16v 170hp 2.0, the 1.9 just feels old and lacking.
If you service the 2.0 tdi properly, and don't drive it like a granny, it will last as long any 1.9tdi.
But even the 2.0tdi and 20d lack when you compared them with the best diesel 4 pot ever made, the om646 220cdi...
nice turbo car
The diesel shouldn’t have much trouble pulling that, in the real world that gas v8 would never rev that high that fast pulling weight.
A big block running high rpm on low gear would turn RPM into torque
In reality the turbo will blow up before the 7Liter engine will even blow a head gasket.
3l tdi i think wins because it is more fuel eficient
TDI stands for Turbocharged Direct Injection if no one knew that
Learned something new, I always wrongly assumed it stood for Turbo Diesel Injection.
BeamNg being as accurate as it is, there's no way on earth a 3.0L engine produces more torque than a 7.0L engine under 1500rpm. Go Check out the new VW Touareg 3.0 TDI power curve and compare it to the Mercedes C63 AMG with the 6.2L V8, you will see that at 1500Rpm the AMG engine has 450NM whereas the TDI makes 400, under 1500 RPM the difference must be even bigger because the turbo pressure will be even lower for the TDI meaning less torque can be produced.
Dude, why do u have so many modifications for cars? I dont have almost any
That shows why Gas engines are better for fast high Performance use and diesel are better for heavy loads. Diesel has more low end torque but less overall and power is on gasoline side as usual
Honestly which ever is more efficient that’s what pepole will buy if it was like 1929 or somthing they would want more power and style or just more power cuz gas was cheap back then
Is that an American ton? Just because 1 metric ton is 2204 pounds.
3.0L V6 diesel? thats from audi. idk the car but i know the previous engine before this was the 2.6L V6. there is no known american diesel V6 i know of that comes in that size for anything
nevermind the only engine found was the 3.0L ecodiesel V6. but the V6 TDI(which is alot more well known than the ecodiesel is also a good motor as well)
maybe a downsized 6-71?
Ram has a 3.0 diesel in the 1500, and the same engine is available in the Jeep Wrangler/gladiator. It’s a 3.0 turbo v6. Chevy has a 3.0 i6 diesel in the Silverado. Both options are the high fuel economy option, both getting nearly 30mpg combined in their respective vehicles
Range rover
This shows how Europe and America works... Europe has techology. America has size. Both are win win.
Next test try 4Lo
Diesel engines are great, I have an e90 320D and it feels so powerful.
184 hp or 165
That's how I felt, until I touched several cars with a rev limiter over 7k
dude pls leave
Now put the V8 under the same boost
turbo diesel 5.9 I6 vs turbo diesel 7.3 V8
How can I add more trailers? I just can pull one trailer at once...
use node grabber
@@ForgottenMustard Thanks!
In what world does a 427 have peak tq of only 410 lb ft? Even the 1968 versions had over 460 lb ft. If we're talking modern engines it should be well over 500 lb ft.
Now give the 6.9 a turbo or supercharger, kind of unfair considering naturally asperated diesels are literally useless, meanwhile gas engines still work fine, giving them both the same turbo would make a good comparison.
such type of test is all about torque to final gear ratio proportion assuming the same final gear ratio 1 gear engine with more torq win 🤷🏻♂️ unless torq be marginally biger but rpm much enough biger for generate enough more drag roll asf for slightly more torq engine than it lost but in all other egzample it win such type of test 👌🏻 when we allow simulation to setup diffrent final gear ratio than its alll about leverage battle who setup enough shorter for its vehicle pull up this hilll biger load ass long as time untis isint important cos it pull more but slower 🐌 plot here time units so who pull up this hill the same load on trailer in shorer time win and it start to be all about power level at optimal gearing setup 👌🏻 so you have here 3 type or even 4 assuming the same also gearing for last type of test depend which type of regulation you use for ypir test completely diffrent vehicle can win it 👌🏻 but at set speed bigest force can generate only max engine power not max engine torq 👌🏻 only trouble is that thers no less than 1 gear 😉 thats why max torq at 1 gear pull with more force cos power at 1 gear is always on doffrent higher velocity once you be able to setup shorter gear for 1 gear now at max engine power at set speed where in prefious setup engine was at max engine torq rpm it will generste more contact path force 👌🏻 and as long as ypu wpuld try measure force at let say 50 km/h uphill in your truck with load on trailer and you have couple gears to choice from idle rpm to rpm limiter and everything between this than gear which hold max power engine rpm whatever where this power is i mean whatever at which rpm this max power seat only be bale to generate max contact path force and never max engine torq unless at rpm max engine torq is generated already max power so max power is wide conastant or narrow but both max engine torq and max engine pwoer at the same rpm .. if at max engine torq rpm is less power than at max power rpm than if load be enough uphill this truck be not able to hold this 50 km/h be genesting not enough contact path force and it slows down but on max engine power it be able to hold this 50 km/h wothout slowing down assuming at max engine power be enough more power for generate enough contact path force 👍🏻
adjust the gear ratio to 5.1 in v8 car and compare again, you will be surprised.
Diesel engines are inline in most passenger cars and trucks
TDDI
In my opinion a modern Turbo petrol outperformces a Turbo Diesel let's take for example BMW the N55B30 petrol from 2009 VS the N57D30 from 2008. The pertrol engine has 302 hp from 5800 to 6400 rpm and 295 ft lbs from 1200 to 5000 rpm, the Diesel has 255 hp @ 4000 rpm and 413 ft lbs from 1300 to 3000 rpm, sure the Diesel has 118 ft lbs more torque but only up to 3000 rpm, the petrol has it's torque earlyier allready at 1200 rpm and up to 5000, and even over 5000 rpm and will have more torque than the Diesel at this revs, with the petrol you have a bigger usable speed band
And real life hits and you need something with a better fuel economy and will most likely get a dirty diesel
Я на рыжего ставил но они здулись в принципе на одном и том же весе
Коробку надо было такую же короткоходную ставить бензиновому , у него пик мощности после 4,5к оборотов.
Он бы высморкал этого дизелька
it's not a draw, the diesel won! a 3 L v6 vs twice as big v8 ? diesel won
Touareg 3.0 tdi pulls every american junk pickup relative easily ,indact there is tough of war videos on youtube
It sounds like a 5.9 12valve cummins🤔
No turbos, no water separators, no skinny crank bearings like in the Motori 3.0L. You care for the 7.0L like a Corolla and it pulls small mountains when it's not yeeting your empty truck to 200kph 😂
Having a pair of turbos in that 7 wouldn't hurt, though.
@@akisalmenaho8473 ua-cam.com/video/nEdIuoCus3Q/v-deo.html
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Unless it is a Dodge. Then the big V8 will still blow up even if you treat it better than your children.
But consumption will be more than twice for almost the same power, as you See in this video . By the way, a good 3.0 Diesel is durable af, if take normal care :)
@@adamweber960 I will restrain my bias 😅
it'd also be easier on the diesel to pull heavy stuff every day.
Game name ?
That 7 litre V8 revs too high I think
Depends on the engine. Dodge had some big blocks that were really low revving engines while Chevy's 454 revved close to this. RPM limit is determined more by stroke rather than bore or total displacement. A Short stroke but wide bore will make a high RPM but extremely heavy and big engine.
@@skurblord3401 reciprocating mass is involved
Way too low on power too. Even the old 60's model 427's made 460 lb ft of torque.
Para mi es irreal, el diesel tiene más torque y más fuerza de carga que la gasolina.
De hecho no es así la diferencia es que el de diésel tiene torque en bajas revoluciones
If the diesel make the same power a the gas I would climb that with 6 trailers
Very similar but the diesel did like twice the efficiency
Good lord nobody knows WTF they are talking about when it comes to boosting 🙄 SMH
Not that the diesel reaches the same result with almost half the fuel consumption.
It's about time the US moved on and away from these 5-6L engines. It is just not valid anymore..
6.0 tdi
So you need 7 litres of gasoline fury to out pull a tiny 3 litre diesel..... I wonder if we did a real world comparison where we include specific torque as the measure.....
A turbocharged diesel, MUCH more torque, to be fair, the 7 litre v8 did pretty good, American V8’s are strong, now slap a big turbo on that bad boy and let it rip
I guess the torque is actually realistic. A V6 TDI usually has something like 520-550 Nm of torque which is in fact very close to the Mustang V8 5.0 torque. However the max torque in a diesel happens much lower in the RPM band meaning that even if they have the same torque the Diesel has the advantage.
80s tech vs 2000s tech
Just put a nice tune on a b58 3.0 i6 and you basically have the torque of a diesel and 400 hp
@@jesusrv2009 I guess you have not seen the PSI 8.8 gas V8 It makes its peak torque at 1,800 rpm.
@@chrisreynolds6520 I was referring to the typical "Diesel" vs "Petrol" of course you can find exceptions
ETK Diesel
gearbox is tje force no the engine
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Why would you choose a stage 1 performance block over a supercharger. That's just wrong
i think the s1 supercharger gave the v8 almost 700nm of torque, so that would just make the whole test invalid
That's the whole idea behind the video though; would you rather take a small displacement turbocharged engine or a big naturally aspirated engine for this purpose?
Given the test it's obvious that big+boost is better than small+boost
Cómo se llama ese juego?
no replacement for displacement. if both had a turbo the 429 would have won
Now, are you scared of that tiny displacement of the diesel? Where does it hurt you?
@@eustahijelifetips no but i know that if that diesel didn’t have a turbo it would only make around 180hp and around 300 lbft of torque
@@Andy47357 all you need is a million hp and you might be able to tow 200kg of stuff, i would be frightened to know im towing with a miniscule diesel with a turbo! What if it doesnt even start?? What if it cant pull itself out of a standstill? I need horsepower!
@@eustahijelifetips what? go back to smoking smarties kid
@@Andy47357 what the fuck is it with america and hatred for anything small/efficent?
Diesel is love 🖤
Sound in this game is wrong
I’ll take the V8
Because you can make that V8 whip the diesels ass with modifications
And yet also will tow more reliably than the disgrace thats called a diese
@@eustahijelifetips disgrace thats called a diesel... Lmao you know that almost every heavy duty truck out there is diesel huh and can last much longer than any gasser? And by the way they use much bigger engines than 3 Liters
You can also whip the v8s ass with mods... Just search online for bmw m57 or mercedes om606 tuning.
Good luck dealing with a +450hp inline 6 making +1000nm of torque at 1700rpm that can rev to 5500rpm...
And they can do this kind of power with some basic mods, no need to spend thousands on turbo kits and fueling.
All this while still getting good fuel economy.
@@eustahijelifetips That's deluded as fuck. lol
@@megarafjogos They also do that whilst being very usable on the road still, something not a lot of highly strung petrol engines can claim.
DIESEL POWER.
pls make turbo pressure in BARS !
Unbalanced. Should same engine capacity.
V8 for life.
Diesel is better
V8 wins, climbs faster
Consumes a lot more fuel when compared to climbing speed doe.
@@akisalmenaho8473 don't care, you gotta feed your horses
@@moparpower975 I do. Food costs money.
@@akisalmenaho8473 money ain't a problem
Another scared american
Have same gearing next time.
Vin diesel won! Pool more than V8 Rock. in the last one he pulled more.
Diesel is always better than petrol. the diesel engine is stronger and consumes half as much fuel. Isn't it enough reason to drive a diesel car to pay $100 a month for fuel instead of $200 a month? And it is also very important that the diesel engine exceeds a million miles. and hardly any gasoline can do that. the only argument for gasoline engines is the sound of the engine. ???
200$ a month for petrol?
If i think about the big american (useless) engines with 8 cylinders and 8liters volume an their fuel consumption, so it is impossible to drive this car only by 200$ fuel costs a month. Maybe 200$ a week but not a month.